[00:04]  * hggdh is away: movie time
[09:09] <stefanlsd> seb128: I realise you said you may not have time at the moment to help with pidgin 2.5.1.  I'm not getting any assistance from motu re. the libpurple0.symbols.  I have created 2.5.1. Checked if the patches are still valid and it all seems good. I just wanted to verify the symbol stuff, but am unsure about this. Do you know of anything that I could read to help me out - i found https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Recipes/CheckingLibrarySymbols
[09:09] <stefanlsd>   - but i'm not sure this is the correct thing.
[09:10] <seb128> no I don't know, I've never really used it myself before and I hacked a bit to do the previous pidgin update
[09:11] <seb128> I don't think the ubuntu wiki is updated for the new symbols list
[09:11] <seb128> that's a new debian feature and the wiki page was written before
[09:12] <stefanlsd> seb128: how do i determine if the symbols are correct or if there may be a problem with them?
[09:13] <seb128> during the build the dpkg-gensymbols call will display a symbols diff, if there is any change you need to update the list
[09:13] <seb128> the tricky part is how to update the list correctly
[09:15] <stefanlsd> seb128: kk. thanks. let me see if i get any errors. then i'll worry about how to fix them :)
[09:16] <seb128> alright
[09:28] <stefanlsd> seb128: yeah :|  - http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/42980/
[09:29] <seb128> stefanlsd: right
[09:29] <seb128> stefanlsd: I'm leanning torward "let debian do the update and merge on their new version"
[09:30] <seb128> they will likely package 1.5.1 in experimental
[09:42] <huats> seb128: hey
[09:42] <huats> seb128: I have put the new gcalctool on LP
[09:42] <seb128> hey huats, just read your gcalctool sponsoring request
[09:55] <huats> seb128: ok great
[09:55] <huats> :)
[09:55] <huats> thanks
[13:17] <mpt> seb128, hey there
[13:18] <seb128> hello mpt
[13:18] <mpt> seb128, I dinged Pidgin for having logging off by default. Upstream says they're uncomfortable with changing that, but might change their minds if we set logging on by default in our Pidgin package and no-one (or hardly anyone) complains. Is that something you'd be willing to do?
[13:19] <seb128> mpt: yes, I see no issue with that, we have time to get feedback and it's easy to change if that's an issue
[13:19] <wgrant> That default has always bugged me.
[13:19] <wgrant> It's always first thing I change if I remember.
[13:20] <mpt> seb128, ok, should I report a bug for it then?
[13:20] <seb128> mpt: yes please and give me the bug number
[13:22] <stefanlsd> seb128: i've been going through the symbol stuff (and i think im slowly understanding it!)  dpkg-gensymbols wants to remove the libgnt.so.0  (do you know if this lib no longer being built as part of libpurple0?)
[13:23] <mpt> seb128, bug 180796
[13:24] <seb128> mpt: thanks
[13:24] <mpt> thank you seb128 :-)
[13:24] <seb128> stefanlsd: no, it was already doing that in the previous version, not sure why
[13:25] <stefanlsd> seb128: i am going to try add the new symbols and remove the libgnt symbols (i see libgnt is actually part of finch).  Would this be the correct approach?
[13:26] <seb128> stefanlsd: I've no clue, honestly wait on debian to do this update
[13:27] <stefanlsd> seb128: heh. kk. i'm going to keep playing as its something i'd like to try learn and understand.
[13:38] <mpt> asac_, Firefox in Ubuntu defaults to storing history for 90 days. Is that a change from upstream? I thought the default was 9 days
[13:38] <asac_> mpt: we dont change anthing in that direction
[13:39] <mpt> hm, must be new in FF3 then
[13:39] <asac_> mpt: most likely it was bumped to 90 days because of the new places
[13:39] <asac_> yeah
[13:40] <andreasn> mpt: what would be the arguments against logging by default? privacy reasons or disk space?
[13:40] <mpt> andreasn, I don't know, but they seem to be against browsers storing history, e-mail programs storing messages, etc as well
[13:41] <mpt> http://pidgin.im/pipermail/devel/2008-August/006644.html
[13:41] <mpt> well, that's one person, I shouldn't extrapolate :-)
[13:41] <mpt> see also http://pidgin.im/pipermail/devel/2008-August/006643.html
[17:33] <lapo> hi
[17:35] <lapo> I read a strange story about the next default icon theme...
[17:36] <lapo> is oxygen+human really going to be the default icon theme on gnome for hardy+1?
[17:46] <thorwil> lapo: #ubuntu-artwork would be more appropiate. but no. where did you read that?
[17:54] <lapo> thorwil: this one sounds a tad scary to me: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2008-September/007559.html
[17:56] <thorwil> lapo: you should read there. word for word. don't jump to conclusions. don't start silly rumors. pick the appropriate channel!
[17:57] <lapo> did I started a silly rumor?
[17:57] <seb128> tedg1: there is a new gnome-power-manager version available if you want to do the update
[17:58] <ember> asac make it two beers
[17:58] <thorwil> lapo: they start exactly like this
[17:58] <thorwil> lapo: i will leave no other word about this topic here
[17:58] <lapo> uhm, sorry about that, just asked
[17:58] <asac> ember: anything else ;)?
[17:58] <tedg1> seb128: Yes, it fixes mario's bug also.
[17:59] <tedg1> I'm going to try and get this icons working first though.
[17:59] <seb128> tedg1: do you confirm http://launchpadlibrarian.net/17251753/gnome-power-manager-hardy.debdiff is correct for an hardy update?
[18:01] <tgnb> hi there, i have a friend who has a strange ssh problem
[18:01] <tedg1> seb128: Yes, but, I'm offended that it removes the curly braces.  They're a good coding practice.  Richard said that he added the same patch to SVN for this release, I was going to grab that one so that it could be tied to an SVN version number as a cherry pick.
[18:01] <tgnb> i tried to help him but im actually stumped, thought maybe i could inquire in here
[18:02] <tgnb> he is on a ubuntu laptop, and connects to 5 servers via ssh
[18:02] <tgnb> recently he lost the ability to connect to one out of 5 servers .. but only from his office
[18:02] <seb128> tedg1: the patch is the svn one, http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/gnome-power-manager/trunk/libhal-glib/libhal-gpower.c?r1=2910&r2=2909&pathrev=2910
[18:02] <tgnb> when connecting it just sits there before prompting for username and password
[18:03] <tgnb> it doesn't seem to ever time out though .. he's waited a very long time
[18:03] <tedg1> seb128: Ah, cool.  It should probably say that in the comment.  For the record, I still don't like the lack of braces, but better to match SVN :)
[18:03] <seb128> tgnb: hi, that's not an user channel and ssh is not a desktop application so you are at the wrong place anyway
[18:04] <tgnb> ok sorry then :/
[18:04] <seb128> tedg1: right, you can talk to upstream about the style change ;-)
[18:04] <seb128> tgnb: try #ubuntu
[18:08] <lapo> seb128: do you remember the iso image icon I sent you time ago?
[18:09] <asac> seb128: when will the next -keyring snapshot end up in the archive?
[18:09] <seb128> lapo: yes, it's used in the ubuntu gnome-icon-theme
[18:09] <asac> seb128: i think they committed a potential fix for my ssh agent issues
[18:09] <asac> so wonder if i should just wait a bit to verify ... or test the patch manually
[18:09] <seb128> asac: they didn't rolled a tarball this week but yet another GNOME is due next week, I've seen the bug, they fixed it in gnome-session though no?
[18:10] <asac> not sure ... was a bit of back and forth
[18:10] <asac> let me look
[18:10] <lapo> seb128: I think it would be important to have a .deb specific icon as well, if I send you the icons can you patch ubuntu g-i-t with them, I cannot add them upstream without being killed :-)
[18:11] <asac> seb128: one patch is against gnome-keyring-daemon-wrapper.c the other  compat/gnome-keyring-daemon-wrapper.c
[18:11] <seb128> lapo: yes, can do that ;-)
[18:11] <lapo> seb128: thank, I'll send you the icon tomorrow or the day after
[18:11] <seb128> asac: that's gnome-session
[18:11] <seb128> asac: I packaged the new version but it has issues so I didn't upload
[18:11] <seb128> lapo: thank you!
[18:11] <asac> seb128: ok. thanks
[18:12] <seb128> asac: I can scp it somewhere if you want to give it a try
[18:12] <asac> seb128: what issues does it have?
[18:12] <seb128> asac: they changed again the way the wm is started which breaks compiz again
[18:12] <asac> ok ... if its just compiz its fine. i dont use it here ;)
[18:12] <seb128> asac: you might get no wm at all
[18:12] <asac> unless it busts other sessions as well :)
[18:13] <asac> hmm
[18:13] <asac> i think ill cherry pick ;)
[18:13] <seb128> alright
[18:14] <vuntz> seb128: you might want to grab patches from trunk and put back gnome-wm
[18:15] <seb128> vuntz: I'm going to wait for the next tarball and revert the gnome-wm changes
[18:15] <vuntz> seb128: next tarball?
[18:15] <seb128> vuntz: next week
[18:15] <seb128> 2.23.92
[18:15] <vuntz> ah, ok
[18:15] <seb128> I'm not in a hurry to update
[18:15] <vuntz> asac: hopefully, the changes in 2.23.91 should fix your keyring issues. If not, please ping me
[18:16] <seb128> vuntz: has the gnome-wm thing be discussed somewhere?
[18:16] <vuntz> seb128: no...
[18:16] <seb128> vuntz: also it stopped looking at the directory where the metacity autostart is installed which means you get now wm at all
[18:16] <seb128> s/now/no
[18:16] <vuntz> seb128: we discussed all the issues afterwards, with fcrozat
[18:17] <seb128> and?
[18:17] <vuntz> seb128: this last one is fixed if you put back gnome-wm or if you use the latest metacity
[18:17] <vuntz> seb128: we didn't understand why gnome-wm isn't shipped anymore :-)
[18:17] <seb128> I'll put gnome-wm back I think
[18:17] <seb128> the redhat guys don't like it
[18:17] <vuntz> I know
[18:18] <vuntz> we need to discuss what's wrong with it and fix the issues
[18:18] <seb128> vuntz: btw how did the "what gdm version should be used for 2.24" discussion turned?
[18:18] <vuntz> seb128: andre is responsible for it. No idea where it went
[18:18] <seb128> ok
[18:18] <vuntz> andre__, I meant
[18:18] <seb128> vuntz: is opensuse using 2.23?
[18:18] <vuntz> yeah
[18:18] <seb128> no complain?
[18:19] <vuntz> not that much
[18:19] <seb128> I'm impressed ;-)
[18:19] <vuntz> but I've not been following this closely
[18:19] <seb128> hpj is looking at it right?
[18:19] <vuntz> yep
[18:20] <andre__> oh, i'm responsible for it? :-)
[18:20] <vuntz> andre__: sure yo uare
[18:20] <andre__> i thought it's vuntz :)
[18:21] <vuntz> andre__: stop lying!
[18:21] <andre__> no, really :)
[18:21] <andre__> don't outsource your tasks to me, honey!
[18:21] <vuntz> why would it be me? You handled everything!
[18:21] <seb128> alright, nobody is looking at this one
[18:21] <andre__> no, only a few things i had on my list last friday :)
[18:22] <asac> seb128: \o/ i can use the keyring again
[18:22] <asac> what a relieve ;)
[18:22] <seb128> :-)
[18:22] <vuntz> andre__: so, let's make it official. You're responsible of this decision :-P
[18:22] <asac> relief
[18:22] <asac> not sure
[18:22] <asac> ;)
[18:22] <seb128> asac: what I don't get is why you have the issue and nobody else
[18:23] <vuntz> seb128: I know the keyring was broken here too. Sure, it's not ubuntu ;-)
[18:23] <seb128> vuntz: well it's working for me, at least I get the ssh agent
[18:24] <seb128> anyway good to know it's working for asac too now ;-)
[18:24] <asac> i dunno. i am happy that vuntz had this as well ;)
[18:25] <asac> otherwise i probably would have ended up typgin my passphras 1billion times ;)
[18:25] <andre__> vuntz, i'm quite undecided now that i see that opensuse and foresight don't see big issues
[18:25] <vuntz> andre__: your call
[18:25] <seb128> andre__: how much testing does unstable opensuse get? ;-)
[18:25] <andre__> so i'll let the fun for you
[18:26] <vuntz> andre__: you're so dreaming ;-)
[18:26] <seb128> and I expect lot of the annoyance will be for normal users
[18:26] <seb128> ie no gdmsetup will really annoy users
[18:26] <seb128> no way to enable autologin
[18:26] <pedro_> themes ;-)
[18:26] <andre__> well, what if we're refusing to use it for another time? we will end up in some state where the gdm hackers won't care at all about r-t comments. on the other hand, is that a difference to the current situation? :-P
[18:26] <seb128> xdmcp
[18:27] <seb128> andre__: at least you don't lower the GNOME standards
[18:27]  * vuntz leaves the discussion
[18:27] <vuntz> time to finally take a break ;-)
[18:27] <seb128> yeah, me too
[18:27]  * andre__ gets back to his virtual cheese plate before getting the dessert, any french should understand that :-P
[18:27] <seb128> brb, restarting my session
[18:45] <vuntz> do you guys already have evo 2.23.91 packaged?
[18:45]  * vuntz needs people to reproduce a bug
[18:45] <seb128> vuntz: yes
[18:45] <vuntz> seb128: ah, cool. Does it work for you on a clean account?
[18:45] <vuntz> in my jhbuild, it just hangs
[18:45] <seb128> I'm about to go for diner, what doesn't work for you?
[18:46] <vuntz> launching it a second time works, though
[18:46] <seb128> didn't try on a new account
[18:46] <vuntz> ie, I fill all my account info, and then it hangs while displaying the main window
[18:46] <vuntz> no useful stack trace, though :/
[18:46]  * seb128 tries
[18:51] <seb128> vuntz: no seems to work fine on first run here
[18:51] <seb128> I've to go for dinner, bbl