[00:04] <JontheEchidna> vistakiller: That's nice to hear. :)
[00:06] <vistakiller> yes i think is very stable and with very little problems for alpha
[00:07] <vistakiller> in hardy alpha 5 i have many problems
[00:13] <Jordan_U> RAOF: Can't find an option for dithering in man radeon, what package should I file a bug report against?
[00:14] <RAOF> Jordan_U: xserver-xorg-video-ati
[00:19] <Jordan_U> RAOF: Would "Dithering not enabled on Macbook Pro" be a good description?
[00:19] <RAOF> Sounds pretty accurate.
[00:29] <Jordan_U> RAOF: Why xserver-xorg-video-ati rather than -radeon ?
[00:30] <RAOF> Is there such a package?  Oh!  There is.
[00:31]  * RAOF wonders what the difference is.
[00:31] <Jordan_U> RAOF: Interestingly the version of both is exactly the same, "1:6.9.0+git20080802.1f3eee36-1ubuntu1"
[00:31] <RAOF> Heh.  One of them is probably a virtual package.
[00:31] <Jordan_U> RAOF: Looks like -ati is a metapackage
[00:33] <RAOF> Anyway; find the source package associated with it; I think the source is xserver-xorg-video-ati.
[01:08] <Awsoonn> when is the next schedualed release for an alpha? I screwed up my Intrepid insatll pretty good and need to reinstall anyhow.
[01:09] <pwnguin> like tomorrow?
[01:17] <Awsoonn> good timing, I'll wait a day then~ Thanks pwnguin
[01:22] <Awsoonn> wiht intrepid ther is supposed to be a config-less X, right? and according to the /var/x11/log files it detected taht I need teh nvidia driver, and lsmod shows a loaded nvidia driver, but X isn't loading it. where shall I go from here?
[01:24] <pwnguin> #ubuntu-x?
[01:27] <RAOF> I'm fairly sure you still need a xorg.conf to make any of the restricted drivers work.
[01:27] <pwnguin> there's a patch floating around
[01:27] <pwnguin> i dont think there was any consensus though
[01:27] <RAOF> It got committed to xorg git and then quickly reverted, IIRC.
[01:28] <pwnguin> theres been suggestions that ubuntu should unrevert it locally
[01:29] <pwnguin> the idea being that you have to install the driver manually anyways
[02:04] <bsnider> is there anything wrong with font-rendering in intrepid?
[02:22] <darwin_> the new alpha comes out soon will update set me up there or should I reinstall?
[02:23] <JontheEchidna> yes, updating will get you alpha5
[02:23] <pwnguin> darwin_: it depends. you'll get the same packages either way, but if you want to test the ubuntu installer, a reinstall is the way to go
[02:23] <pwnguin> if you just want to test whether the software works (installer bugs are a pain to report and fix ;) ) updating will be fine
[02:28] <darwin_> not interested in the installer
[02:28] <darwin_> just got a few little things i'm testing so. :)
[02:29] <JontheEchidna> in fact if you've been keeping up with updates you should basically have alpha5 already
[02:29] <pwnguin> yea, there's no secret developer pool of packages
[02:29] <pwnguin> you're running it ;)
[02:30] <darwin_> we i didn't think there was anything special, LOL
[02:31] <darwin_> I was just thinking about it from the angle of normal updates don't change in a distrobution update you have to do the distro-update so i thought it might be the same with the alphas
[02:32] <pwnguin> the only thing dist-upgrade does differently than upgrade is consider removing stuff
[02:32] <RAOF> Well, upgrade-manager does a bunch of extra stuff.
[02:38] <darwin_> ok, that explains alot
[02:42] <pwnguin> does debian use upgrade-manager?
[02:43] <bsnider> are there ever debian upgrades?
[02:43] <pwnguin> randomly
[02:43] <bsnider> aren't htey still trying to perfect the first version of gaim or something?
[02:44] <bsnider> still using the 2.4 kernel?
[02:45] <pwnguin> if you want to geniuinely malign debian, look what gnome is gonna ship in etch
[02:46] <bsnider> i didn't see. what is it, .9 or something?
[02:46] <pwnguin> err
[02:46] <darwin_> I'm sorry but I really wish KDE was default in ubuntu, i can't stand gnome
[02:47] <pwnguin> i havent paid attention to Debian enough; i guess etch was released a while ago
[02:47] <pwnguin> lenny is the next release, and it has .22
[02:47] <pwnguin> etch has .14
[02:47] <bsnider> the k... desktop environment sucks
[02:48] <darwin_> to each their own i guess.  I can just do so much more with k
[02:49] <bsnider> i don't need 16 paragraphs of explanation for every little thing
[02:49] <bsnider> and i don't need all those options
[02:49] <bsnider> but i do like smplayer
[02:49] <pwnguin> is smplayer any better than gmplayer?
[02:49] <bsnider> no contest
[02:50] <pwnguin> i like totem's UI, but it doesn't play hd or mkv very well =(
[02:50] <bsnider> gmplayer i think has a play button and that's it
[02:50] <darwin_> since when are options a bad thing, that's my complaint about gnome, isn't linux about options... ok ok i'll stop getting off topic, sorry
[02:51] <bsnider> i think too many options are annoying
[02:51] <bsnider> it's the clutter of it that bugs me
[02:51] <pwnguin> options are only bad when there's one reasonable but thing to do but five easy things proposed instead
[02:51] <pwnguin> err
[02:51] <pwnguin> reasonable but hard
[02:51] <pwnguin> darwin_: so do you use kde3 or 4?
[02:52] <bsnider> smplayer lets me use direct rendering and gl2 as the video driver
[02:52] <bsnider> which works well on this system
[02:52] <pwnguin> gmplayer does too =/
[02:52] <pwnguin> but gmplayers' playlisting blows
[02:53] <bsnider> smplayer has alist of video filters than can easily be applied
[02:53] <bsnider> on-the-fly changing of hte monitor aspect ratio
[02:53] <pwnguin> its all mplayer underneath
[02:54] <bsnider> but to access all of the abilities of mplayer requires either smplayer or command-line
[02:54] <pwnguin> does it?
[02:54] <bsnider> yes
[02:54] <bsnider> you can yank it down right now and try it. there's nothing stopping you
[02:55] <darwin_> pwnguin: right now I'm using kde4 with intrepid, but I'm not really certain it's ready yet.
[02:56] <Xyc0_> Im getting the following error when attempting a dist-upgrade: Couldn't configure pre-depend libc6 for findutils, probably a dependency cycle.
[02:57] <bsnider> kde4 is what vista was trying to be in some ways
[02:57] <pwnguin> it seemed a bit disingenious for aesego to declare that kde4 wasn't supposed to be finished
[02:57] <pwnguin> in my book, we call those public betas
[02:58] <Xyc0_> anyone familiar with dist-upgrades?
[02:58] <bsnider> they both suck, but vista has greater sucking potential
[02:58] <darwin_> I'm not all angry at vista as other people are.. I can see where it was going.
[02:59] <Xyc0_> Server2008 has a clearer direction
[02:59] <darwin_> In alot of ways it's better than xp especially in security
[02:59] <bsnider> it was going there, but it blew a tire
[02:59] <darwin_> havn't had a chance to play with server2008
[02:59] <bsnider> the security is no comparison
[02:59] <pwnguin> i dont get why vista chose "confirm / deny" as default security
[03:00] <pwnguin> at least pick something not solvable by algorithm
[03:00] <darwin_> vista should have done sudo
[03:00] <Xyc0_> defiantly an improvement, just scary at how easy it is to install services that you don't need
[03:00] <pwnguin> vista has sudo
[03:01] <darwin_> I mean, sudo as it works in linux
[03:01] <pwnguin> yes
[03:01] <pwnguin> well
[03:01] <pwnguin> no pam
[03:01] <bsnider> i think it was tough for them to integrate linux/unix type security into windows at this late date
[03:01] <bsnider> after so many years of not having it
[03:02] <pwnguin> http://blogs.msdn.com/crispincowan/archive/2008/04/28/uac-desert-topping-or-floor-wax.aspx#comments
[03:02] <bsnider> without doing what k did, which is scrap the old code base
[03:02] <pwnguin> crispin cowan is (was?) the lead developer of apparmor
[03:02] <darwin_> yeah but they tried, and that's what the whole vista backlash was in the first place, people wern't used to it, so they should have just gone all the way
[03:03] <pwnguin> UAC isn't too annoying, once you set stuff up
[03:04] <darwin_> I don't think it's too annoying,
[03:04] <LSD|Ninja> to be honest, I find the constant AppArmor/gksudo prompts in Ubuntu more annoying than UAC...
[03:04] <bsnider> meaning once you have all of the heavy administrative crap out of the way
[03:04] <darwin_> I think UAC should ask for password always,
[03:04] <pwnguin> you can configure uac to ask for passwords
[03:05] <darwin_> I know
[03:05] <pwnguin> as explained in the link nobody read ;)
[03:05] <darwin_> i'm reading it
[03:06] <pwnguin> that was posted a few days after one of the microsoft guys declared UAC was designed to annoy users so fewer programs would require admin rights
[03:07] <pwnguin> trouble is you have so much to install to make windows run right. drivers, office programs, games, tools etc
[03:07] <pwnguin> its a bit amusing that microsoft can't do what ubuntu does because of monopoly regulation
[03:08] <bsnider> yeah but you even get uac popups for stuff like file permissions and things like that
[03:08] <bsnider> changing start menu stuff
[03:08] <bsnider> and that's because of how windows was designed 10+ years ago
[03:08] <pwnguin> i dont recall encountering that
[03:08] <darwin_> but installing a game shouldn't take administrative rights, that's the games fault
[03:08] <pwnguin> darwin_: why not?
[03:08] <pwnguin> a) punkbuster
[03:08] <bsnider> sure it should
[03:08] <pwnguin> b) universal install
[03:09] <pwnguin> installing openarena requires admin on ubuntu...
[03:09] <bsnider> installing anything should because you could be installing malware
[03:09] <pwnguin> bsnider: thats a bad reason
[03:10] <bsnider> xp  is bad in that regard because malware has permission to install itself
[03:10] <pwnguin> no prompt is going to make me realize such and such game has malware
[03:10] <pwnguin> i'll click okay, blissfully unaware the problems
[03:12] <pwnguin> even if there was no malware in the game, admin rights should be needed to install software for everyone, rather than a simple local install
[03:12] <pwnguin> imagine one computer with three installs of WoW
[03:12] <bsnider> if you're installing a game, it is modifying files and folders outside your userspace
[03:12] <darwin_> that's a good point :)
[03:12] <bsnider> therefore it has to prompt for admin rights
[03:13] <pwnguin> bsnider: thats not technically nessecarily, but it makes sense to do it that way
[03:13] <darwin_> i've got 360GB free on my /home drive right now so I probably wouldn't mind,
[03:13] <pwnguin> darwin_: you dont know how big WoW is then ;)
[03:13] <RAOF> bsnider: Was it you talking about GL 2.1 not being available anywhere but nvidia's blob?
[03:13] <bsnider> i thought it wasn't
[03:13] <darwin_> actually I've got 2 wow's right now because different private servers want different versions
[03:14] <bsnider> but i guess it's in the fglrx driver too
[03:14] <bsnider> but as far as i know that driver doesn't have a dri or memory manager
[03:15] <darwin_> my WOW installs are sitting at about 8.5 gig each
[03:15] <RAOF> bsnider: OpenGL version string: 2.1 Mesa 7.1 :)
[03:15] <bsnider> using which driver?
[03:16] <RAOF> bsnider: That's actually the software rasteriser.  Not so much hardware accelerated ;)
[03:17] <bsnider> aren't you using nouceau?
[03:17] <bsnider> er, nouveau
[03:17] <RAOF> Yeah.
[03:18] <bsnider> can you pastebin the entire glxinfo command?
[03:18] <bsnider> just to staisfy my curiousity
[03:19] <bsnider> you've probably got a really old nvidia card right?
[03:22] <RAOF> bsnider: Really old?  No, nv4x.
[03:23] <bsnider> the reason i mentioned it was that i thought nouveau only handled legacy devices right now
[03:23] <pwnguin> what?
[03:23] <pwnguin> ive run 3d apps on my 6600gt with nouveau
[03:23] <pwnguin> not legacy yet!
[03:23] <bsnider> yes it is
[03:23] <bsnider> i consider my 7300 legacy
[03:24] <pwnguin> well you're stupid :P
[03:24] <bsnider> this rig has an 8800
[03:24] <RAOF> bsnider: If, by 'legacy' you mean, "Geforce 8 and 9 aren't well supported", then yes.
[03:24] <bsnider> and it's been deprecated twice already
[03:24] <bsnider> yeah, that's what i mean
[03:24] <pwnguin> geforce 8 isn't well supported by nvidia either =/
[03:24] <bsnider> sure it is
[03:25] <Ienorand> Anybody know what time today fiver is released? (*impatient)
[03:26] <pwnguin> i thought it was on the 4th or 5th
[03:27] <Ienorand> pwnguin: 4th according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseSchedule at least
[03:28] <pwnguin> well it's only the 3rd here
[03:29] <Ienorand> pwnguin: It's been the 4th for 4,5h here ;) (I want my Ubuntu-fix, I want it now!!)
[03:29] <bsnider> Ienorand, be better to wait until the 2.6.27-3 kernel is added since some people are having trouble booting the current one
[03:30] <pwnguin> Ienorand: little known secret: theres a daily build of the cdimage
[03:30] <Ienorand> bsnider: ouch, well, let's see if the livecd starts first...
[03:32] <Ienorand> pwnguin: Yea, but that's to heavy stuff, even for me :P , nah, but there's no livecd of that one right?
[03:32] <pwnguin> there isn't?
[03:32] <bsnider> cdimage.ubuntu.com
[03:32] <pwnguin> i know it wasn't WORKING for a while
[03:32] <bsnider> click daily-live
[03:32] <pwnguin> but thats not intended
[03:33] <Ienorand> Um, yea, daily-live did look like the thing there...
[03:34] <Ienorand> By the way, is there any possibility to strip these livecd's of something to make them fit on a cdrw?
[03:35] <bsnider> no
[03:39] <pwnguin> Ienorand: how big is a cdrw?
[03:41] <Ienorand> the ones I have 650, compared to 700 on a cdr....
[03:41] <mneptok> Ienorand: get a 700MB CDRW
[03:43] <Ienorand> mneptok: ah, I though cdrw was smaller by standard... Good idea.
[03:44] <mneptok> Ienorand: my wife has strifct rules about who can tell me "good idea" and how often they can do it to avoid ego ballooning. ;)
[03:44] <mneptok> *strict
[03:44] <bsnider> why, because marriage is a constant battle for moral superiority?
[03:45] <mneptok> -m
[03:46] <pwnguin> arriage?
[03:46] <mneptok> keep goin' ...
[03:46] <Ienorand> mneptok: oops...eh...
[03:46] <pwnguin> rriage?
[03:47] <mneptok> *pat*pat*
[03:48] <Ienorand> mneptok: Hmm, seems 650mb is actually the non-standard, meh.
[03:56] <mneptok> Ienorand: now you know why that price was so attractive :)
[04:05] <Ienorand> mneptok: It's my dad who's to blame for that... Or possibly it's even the ones we got along with the cd-writer... Shouldn't expect too much really.
[04:07] <josh04> Hey, does anyone know when the alpha 5 isos go live?
[04:07] <Ienorand> :) my question a while ago.
[04:08] <bsnider> just go grab the current livecd, it's only  20-odd updates away from it
[04:08] <Ienorand> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20080903/
[04:11] <josh04> No torrents :( ah well, it'll be fast anyway
[04:12] <RAOF> bsnider: Oh, you were after nouveau glxinfo ouptut?  It's here: http://pastebin.com/f7d9864ba
[04:12] <bsnider> thank you
[04:13] <RAOF> It even runs elisa.  Probably :)
[04:13] <josh04> Oh, thanks. Forgot the thanks, never a good idea XP
[04:13] <IdleOne> how do i fix X. when trying to boot into it I get a screen saying that the display manager could not be loaded or something due to internal error
[04:13] <bsnider> that's not right
[04:14] <bsnider> RAOF: what gives? OpenGL version string: 1.5 Mesa 7.1
[04:15] <RAOF> IdleOne: Wait for your root filesystem to finish fscking, and then reboot :(
[04:15] <mneptok> IdleOne: boot to recovery mode and run xfix
[04:15] <RAOF> IdleOne: That bug's _just_ been fixed.
[04:15] <IdleOne> RAOF, problem is that it does not do a filesystem check
[04:16] <IdleOne> mneptok, I did not try the recovery yet
[04:16] <IdleOne> will give that a shot
[04:16] <RAOF> IdleOne: Are you sure?  Sure it's not doing a fsck right now, and hence has mounted / read-only, leading to fun?
[04:16] <IdleOne> RAOF, I am on live cd right now
[04:17] <IdleOne> it did give me a login prompt but when I enter user/pass it just returns to a login prompt
[04:17] <RAOF> Right.
[04:17] <RAOF> Your / is being fsck'd, and is hence mounted read-only, and hence craziness.
[04:17] <IdleOne> ok so steps to procede?
[04:18] <IdleOne> or follow rather
[04:18] <RAOF> Reboot.  Wait for the hard drive activity to finish, reboot.
[04:18] <RAOF> In that order :)
[04:18] <IdleOne> hmmmm
[04:18] <IdleOne> RAOF, thing is that it just sits at the login
[04:19] <RAOF> Yeah.  This is the bug.
[04:19] <IdleOne> ok so how do I know when to reboot the second time
[04:19] <IdleOne> ?
[04:19] <RAOF> The bug is/was that a fsck would be started, but not waited for.
[04:19] <RAOF> Watch the hard-drive activity light?
[04:19] <IdleOne> hehe ahhh the technical way
[04:19] <IdleOne> ok let's give it a shot
[04:19] <RAOF> I don't think there's a better one :)
[04:20] <IdleOne> thanks guys be back either way....
[04:22] <unavailable> i upgraded to ibex alpha 4 to test the new kernel and the hibernate /problem with usb ... Internet is realllly slow ..... and when i do /etc/init.d/networking restart i get grep: /etc/network/run/ifstate: No such file or directory [: 164: 0: unexpected operator
[04:24] <unavailable> anyone?
[04:25] <RAOF> bsnider: The gallium branch was branched of master some time ago, and uses all sorts of different code; it doesn't have the same level of OpenGL support as master.
[04:27] <unavailable> amanulla replace URL with the url you want to "get"
[04:27] <unavailable> i upgraded to ibex alpha 4 to test the new kernel and the hibernate /problem with usb ... Internet is realllly slow ..... and when i do /etc/init.d/networking restart i get grep: /etc/network/run/ifstate: No such file or directory [: 164: 0: unexpected operator
[04:27] <unavailable> srry
[04:28] <outbri> In Intrepid, what would cause a system to not be able to get out on the internet (ie. can't get to google in firefox, can't ping anything), but the computer is up with pings and you can ssh to it?
[04:29] <unavailable> do you have virtual box installed?
[04:29] <mneptok> RAOF: to see if fsck is still running someone could drop to a console TTY and use ps :)
[04:30] <RAOF> mneptok: Not if they can't log in, because / is read-only :P
[04:30] <RAOF> (Or, probably more accurately, because /tmp, /var /home are all read-only)
[04:31] <unavailable> outbri: do you have vbox installed?
[04:32] <unavailable> outbri: because i am having a problem with intrepid being realllly slow after an upgrade, i had vbox installed had to edit /etc/networking/interfaces to delete vbox0 and br0 then got online, and saw my speed go from around 300-1200k ti 56
[04:33] <unavailable> so raof any idea on my problem?
[04:33] <IdleOne> thanks for your help RAOF, that did the trick. mneptok thanks for your suggestion also
[04:34] <outbri> Sorry, I didn't know that question was directed toward me. No, I don't have vbox installed. neither of the things you mentioned seem to be in /etc/network/interfaces
[04:34] <bsnider> RAOF, so you're using the gallium branch
[04:35] <RAOF> bsnider: That's the only way to get 3d on nouveau, yes.
[04:35] <unavailable> any ideas anyone?
[04:38] <unavailable> HELLO?
[04:42] <IdleOne> Version 2:1.4.99.906-2ubuntu5: this the xserver-xorg fix ?
[04:43] <RAOF> IdleOne: Fix for what?
[04:43] <IdleOne> for the bug I suffered earlier
[04:43] <RAOF> No.
[04:44] <RAOF> The bug you suffered earlier was a bug in sysvinit.
[04:45] <IdleOne> well you know what I was never one to check if there was any water in the pool before jumping.
[04:45] <IdleOne> :)
[04:47] <mneptok> IdleOne: it's not water you should be checking for
[04:47] <IdleOne> hmm then what is it?
[04:47] <mneptok> "Is that an 'Oh Henry!' bar or ... ?"
[04:47] <IdleOne> hahahaha
[04:47] <IdleOne> least the Oh nebry you can see. it's the apple juice that worries me more
[04:48] <IdleOne> henry
[04:48] <IdleOne> nebry??? lmao
[04:49] <IdleOne> I'll tell you. I am so glad that I finally move /home to it's own partition. Thought I might have to re-install
[04:55] <bsnider> RAOF, why isn't nouveau offered in the ubuntu repos?
[04:58] <LSD|Ninja> it's not ready yet, that's why
[04:58] <bsnider> people are using it anyway
[04:59] <bsnider> and i wouldn't call the nv dirver "ready" ina ny sense
[05:00] <RAOF> bsnider: Because it requires an unreleased libdrm.
[05:00] <bsnider> direct rendering manager?
[05:00] <RAOF> I think so, yes.
[05:00] <bsnider> is there a ppa for it?
[05:01] <RAOF> !nouveau
[05:01] <LSD|Ninja> Knowing open source though, nouveau probably will end up getting pushed out long before it really should. Free and open will always trump complete and stable unfortunately
[05:01] <RAOF> I'm not sure what you mean by "pushed out"
[05:02] <RAOF> I'm sure it'll enter the archives before it's got full 3d support; the libdrm situation is the only reason I haven't yet.
[05:03] <RAOF> And full 3d support is some time away.
[05:04] <bsnider> like about 67 years
[05:04] <RAOF> Probably not that long :)
[05:04] <bsnider> i hope not, but the skeptic in me says so
[05:05] <RAOF> Depends on what you mean by 'full', I guess.  If you mean 'fully supports the very latest cards well', then 'never' is a likely answer, yes.
[05:06] <bsnider> right
[05:06] <RAOF> (Given that nvidia's binary driver doesn't offer that level of support)
[05:06] <bsnider> don't trash the blob
[05:06] <RAOF> I'm not trashing the blob there; that's just the way things go.
[05:07] <RAOF> Often the hardware is released before there are linux drivers available for it.
[05:07] <IdleOne> but that is not Linux's fault
[05:07] <RAOF> Well, it partially is.
[05:07] <bsnider> more linux desktop market penetration would cause that to change
[05:07] <IdleOne> that is the hardware manufacturers
[05:07] <RAOF> But mostly it's because they don't write the drivers early enough :)
[05:08] <IdleOne> RAOF: how can they write the drivers if they are not given the chance to test the hardware or see the source
[05:08] <bsnider> ati has same-day blob support
[05:08] <RAOF> IdleOne: By "they" I meant "nvidia"
[05:08] <IdleOne> ahhh
[05:09] <RAOF> bsnider: Huzzah for ati.
[05:09] <bsnider> but their blob sucks
[05:09] <RAOF> They also have released specs, so compiz works on r400, r500 and r600 free drivers.
[05:09] <IdleOne> would just make more sense for them to let the Linux comunity have a look at the source and write the drivers asap. not like it will affect the sells, except maybe by increasing them
[05:10] <bsnider> ati already does that
[05:10] <IdleOne> I am speaking more in a general all around hardware
[05:11] <bsnider> it costs money top release specs
[05:11] <IdleOne> the end user still has to buy the hardware. why not make it easier for him to make his choice of hardware by making sure it works with any OS the user choses
[05:11] <bsnider> amd had to actually hire a bunch of full-time people just to dot hat
[05:13] <IdleOne> Linux users are already used to waiting for drivers. just cut down the wait time for them. not like they have to wait to release a new product until all OS'es have full support.
[05:14] <IdleOne> perhaps I have no idea what I am talking about
[05:15] <bsnider> the problem is linux is less than 1% of the desktop market, so right now only good companies like intel and amd care
[05:15] <bsnider> in intel's case, there's a lot of intel hardware in very expensive linux servers
[05:20] <x1250> is it just me or visualizations on totem when listening to music are way better than on hardy?
[05:20] <bsnider> let me check
[05:21] <x1250> in preferences choose the biggest display, it seems to look sharper
[05:21] <bsnider> which one are y ou using?
[05:22] <x1250> What a GOOM
[05:23] <bsnider> they look good extra large but they use too much horsepower
[05:23] <x1250> yep
[05:25] <x1250> totem is using ~28-30% processor in here, not bad imo
[05:26] <bsnider> what's your cpu?
[05:28] <x1250> dual core 1.66Ghz intel centrino
[06:30] <pen> I can't even install intrepid alpha 4 on usb hdd
[06:31] <pen> something wrong with installing the grub
[07:58] <murlidhar> hi all . now my NIC isn't recognized . using USB adsl now.  however in hardy using the kernel 2.6.22-14-generic my nic works . that's is i get eth0 shown on ifconfig .
[07:59] <murlidhar> lsmod in that kernel shows that fealnx is loaded .
[08:00] <murlidhar> this kernel too shows that fealnx is loaded . what might be the problem ?
[08:01] <murlidhar> it's a wired one
[08:01] <murlidhar> i am dual booting with hardy and ibex
[08:02] <murlidhar> in hardy too the latest kernel doesn't activate my card. only the older one that i did not delete from gutsy is recognizing the NIC
[08:06] <murlidhar> anyone?
[08:19]  * gnomefreak wonders if it was blacklisted for some reason, murlidhar what card is it
[08:19] <murlidhar> gnomefreak: no it isn't blacklisted . it was already checked
[08:20] <murlidhar> gnomefreak: it intex rtl8139D
[08:22]  * gnomefreak remembers that we added rt* but it wasnt as long as yours is cant think of the rest of it
[08:23] <murlidhar> gnomefreak: the kernel got only two 8139cp and 8139too
[08:23] <gnomefreak> im asking atm
[08:23] <murlidhar> it works for these . but somehow . fealnx module is loaded
[08:24] <murlidhar> in the older kernel as well.
[08:24] <murlidhar> and fealnx works in the older kernel .
[08:24] <murlidhar> :(
[08:25] <gnomefreak> there is noone speaking in -kernel but ill wait a bit.
[08:25] <murlidhar> k
[08:28] <murlidhar> brb
[08:40] <zerwas> does fglrx work with intrepid now?
[08:41] <burner> can anyone help me get dkms_autoinstaller to "pass" instead of "fail" on the 27-2 kernel?  it work fine with 27-1
[08:41] <LSD|Ninja> zerwas: do ATi say it works under xorg 1.4, 1.5 or whatever the hell Int is using?
[08:42] <burner> it's just my nvidia 177.70 driver that fails in dkms
[08:42] <zerwas> LSD|Ninja, sry i don't understand ... i know that it didn't work with 1.5 until the last few weeks. but perhaps something has changed since then ...
[08:43] <LSD|Ninja> zerwas: 1.5 broke a bunch of the proprietary drivers and until they say it works (or xorg back their changes out which is unlikely), you're going to be out of luck
[08:45] <RAOF> Which is a bit silly, because it _should_ be approximately as easy as rebuilding the drivers against the new xorg.
[08:46] <zerwas> LSD|Ninja, thanks for the info
[08:46] <zerwas> ye, that's the way the proprietary world works ...
[08:46]  * zerwas boots windows.
[08:46] <crdlb> RAOF: I do wonder though, how do they make a driver that works against multiple X ABIs?
[08:46] <crdlb> am I missing something obvious?
[08:47] <gnomefreak> can someone ping me when murlidhar returns please
[08:48] <RAOF> crdlb: Presumably by querying the server's ABI first, and then presenting whatever interface makes sense.
[08:48] <crdlb> right, that makes sense
[08:49]  * burner is in the same boat as zerwas waiting for new Nvidia drivers?
[08:49] <RAOF> crdlb: It sounds to me like quite a lot of boring work, :)
[08:49] <crdlb> hehe
[08:49] <RAOF> Poor people with their < geforce4s
[08:49] <RAOF> No nvidia for you!
[08:49] <zerwas> burner, AMD/Ati
[08:49] <crdlb> RAOF: don't you mean < gf6 ?
[08:49] <burner> i have an nvidia 7300 that's not working in the latest kernel
[08:49] <crdlb> as there's only 177, not 173 (right?)
[08:50] <RAOF> crdlb: No, 173 builds against 2.6.27 again.
[08:50] <RAOF> crdlb: We have 4 (count them, 4) nvidia-glx packages in Intrepid.
[08:51] <RAOF> burner: I was using nvidia-glx-177 on this laptop's 7600 just yesterday, and it worked.
[08:51] <crdlb> I assume intrepid+1 will have 5 and intrepid+2 will have at least 7 :)
[08:51] <RAOF> Maybe intrepid+2 can drop a couple of the older ones in favour of nouveau :P
[08:51] <burner> RAOF: any tips?  mine says fail in dkms_autoinstaller... that just mean i'm s.o.l?
[08:52] <RAOF> I'd try 'sudo aptitude reinstall nvidia-177-kernel-source'
[08:52] <RAOF> Apparently the dkms source gets kinda messed up sometimes.
[08:53]  * burner gives it a shot... thanks
[08:55] <burner> sweet!  I think I'm back to my proprietary-powered compiz bliss
[08:55] <burner> thanks again RAOF
[08:56] <RAOF> Yay!  That worked?
[08:57] <RAOF> One upstream hit with the copyright bat.
[09:11] <burner> RAOF: totally worked!  I can't believe it was that easy
[09:12] <vistakiller> i have to install manual the new adept in kubuntu ibex?
[09:18]  * RAOF connects to packages.ubuntu.com at a whopping 50 bytes/sec.  Yay internet :(
[09:32] <gnomefreak> vistakiller: yes its held back because it all adept-* is now included in adept
[09:32] <gnomefreak> s/all/most if not all
[09:45] <LL00> is alpha5 image enable to download?
[09:45] <gnomefreak> LL00: yes it would be under daily images
[09:46] <gnomefreak> !daily intrepid
[09:46] <gnomefreak> !daily
[09:59] <Oli``> Anyone else getting on-screen glitches when something updates/scrolls/etc?
[09:59] <LSD|Ninja> Compiz?
[09:59] <Oli``> Compiz from git and the latest nvidia beta drivers
[10:00] <Oli``> I know I'm asking for trouble - but I've only recently updated to II and these versions weren't an issue under Hardy
[10:03] <zniavre> hello
[10:04] <zniavre> wich is the nautilus version now of intrepid ibex please ?
[10:04] <Oli``> zniavre: 2.23.91
[10:04] <Myrtti> WHHAHHHHAATTT no nethack-gnome in intrepid?!
[10:04]  * Myrtti faints
[10:05] <zniavre> Oli``:  ok thank you
[10:05] <Myrtti> nooooooooo
[10:05] <zniavre> Oli``:  do you hink it will be 2.24 for final release ?
[10:05] <zniavre> think*
[10:07] <Oli``> zniavre: No idea, mate... There might be blueprints on LP saying that... The last major gnome upgrade (for Hardy) took months to fix up for release so I'm not sure how feasible it is just a couple of months before intrepid is due...
[10:08] <zniavre> ok thank again   :o)
[10:41] <_NiC> I'm using prevu to build backported intrepid-packages for hardy, is there a way I can do changes to the sources before prevu actually builds the deb for me? There's a bug in ejabberd that I'd like to make a workaround for.
[10:44] <Chepra> hello
[10:44] <Chepra> will alpha 5 be released today?
[10:47] <RAOF_> Everytime someone asks, the release is pushed back an hour.
[10:47] <Chepra> Oh
[10:47] <Chepra> Then i shouldnt asked anymore
[10:47] <RAOF_> :)
[10:48] <RAOF_> (That might be a lie; alpha 5 is certainly slated to be released today, and I know of no impediments to its release)
[10:49] <Chepra> Ok, thanks for the information!
[11:03] <vistakiller> akregator in kde 4 is very bad programme
[11:03] <vistakiller> liferea is much better for that work
[11:04] <vistakiller> xa ktogias des edo
[11:04] <vistakiller> http://www.digitalnews.gr/modules/mynews/item.php?itemid=1003
[11:04] <vistakiller> sorry
[11:04] <vistakiller> wrong chat :P
[12:39] <Awsoonn> interesting bug, under the places menu, the 'links' to the home folder, music, videos, etc all open VLC...
[12:39] <Awsoonn> abvoiusly a bug, but where can I go to find the source of the problem, / fix it?
[12:42]  * Chepra waits for 5!
[12:53] <m-lund> Anyone who know the status of xen support in Intrepid?
[12:53] <m-lund> Currently there doesn't seem to be a Linux-xen kernel.
[13:27] <cuil> how to setting 3Ddesktop?
[13:27] <cuil> on ubuntu8.10
[14:20] <lore20> hi
[14:20] <lore20> does the latest xserver-xorg-intel update fix the pipe B eeeBox issue?
[14:26] <unavailable> allright guys,  explain this...    Intrepid alpha 4 --  i log in to my Myspace.  all is good until i middle click my url to open my profile, as soon as i switch to that tab, firefox crashes
[14:27] <unavailable> give me a couple of seconds im gonna re create it and i'm on chatzilla so it might crash as well.
[14:31] <unavailable> ok im back
[14:31] <unavailable> so any word on my situation?
[14:32] <unavailable> !firefox
[14:33] <bazhang> unavailable, that is the risk you take when you run an alpha build; this is where it is discussed.
[14:36] <unavailable> So again to recap..   i cannot visit this page >>  http://www.myspace.com/yahushuah_hamessiach   without firefox crashing
[14:38] <lore20> bazhang: of course.. but if something does't work I think we should talk about it
[14:38] <Dedicated> is there a workaround for the boring firefox flash thing?
[14:38] <bazhang> lore20, aye no question; intrepid talk here
[14:39] <lore20> Dedicated: wait for a stable release
[14:41] <Dedicated> still not answered, but i assume there is no workaround?
[14:41] <unavailable> ok can successfully watch youtube videos, so its not flash
[14:41] <unavailable> again
[14:41] <unavailable> So again to recap..   i cannot visit this page >>  http://www.myspace.com/yahushuah_hamessiach   without firefox crashing
[14:42] <Dedicated> unavail: can only say it works here
[14:43] <unavailable> hmm.
[14:43] <unavailable> i disabled all my plugins and still crashes
[14:44] <unavailable> still crashing
[14:44] <Dedicated> thats alpha :)
[14:44] <unavailable> anyone have a howto for installing opera in alpha?
[14:44] <unavailable> alpha 4
[14:45] <unavailable> here's the situation, I was able to visit the page no problem, but i wanted a mp3 playlist on there, thats when it started crashing
[14:46] <Dedicated> you normaly dont find howtos for pre releases
[14:47] <unavailable> rofl
[14:47] <unavailable> so would i just try installing the hardy and see what happens?
[14:48] <Dedicated> with hardy these things should all work ok
[14:48] <unavailable> no i mean should i try opera's hardy package ?
[14:49] <unavailable> in intrepid
[14:49] <Dedicated> i think there is a reason why its not in the intrepid repo, but you can try it
[14:49] <unavailable> already am
[14:52] <unavailable> well opera works, kinda
[14:52] <unavailable> it dont show the flash content at all
[14:53] <Dedicated> as you see flash is no fun with intrepid yet :(
[14:53] <unavailable> but i can watch youtube
[14:54] <unavailable> spoke too soon
[14:55] <unavailable> did the same thing as in hardy with flash 9
[14:55] <unavailable> as soon as you try to close a tab it crashes
[14:55] <Dedicated> dont close anything
[14:55] <Dedicated> its the same with the "flash popups" if you have that too
[14:55] <unavailable> :P
[14:55] <Dedicated> for every flash i get a own window.. which does not disapear
[14:56] <Dedicated> so already got 100 windows again.. kinda annoying
[14:56] <Pici> Thats odd.
[14:58] <Dedicated> i even would invest 1 or 2 hours to workaround it.. if there would be one
[15:00] <alpha5_> so what news?
[15:01] <unavailable> a ha
[15:01] <unavailable> i found the issue
[15:02] <unavailable> on my profile i had a couple of different videos, and a flash rss reader,     the rss reader was causing the problem, in opera it wouldnt let the videos show, in firefox it just crashed it.
[15:02] <unavailable> i got rid of the reader and problems solved.
[15:06] <CarlFK> live cd, apt-get install qemu   "qemu is not available, but is referred to by another package. "  http://dpaste.com/75894/
[15:07] <Dedicated> carlfk mostly just a matter of time
[15:07] <CarlFK> k - wasn't sure if I should file a bug report
[15:07] <Pici> CarlFK: It looks like its in Universe...
[15:08] <Dedicated> yeah it works..
[15:08] <Dedicated> The following NEW packages will be installed:   bochsbios debootstrap libvdemgmt0 libvdeplug2 qemu vde2 vgabios
[15:09] <CarlFK> Pici: so  I guess something in main/restricted depends on it?  (trying to figure out "﻿referred to by another package. " )
[15:09] <Pici> CarlFK: Probably something in Main, I'm not sure of the rules on that sort of thing though.
[15:10] <alpha5_> lol 4 months of waiting and someone from dev team finally noticed my bug report
[15:11] <alpha5_> !bug 219743
[15:11] <unavailable> ok. now...  what should my sources.list look like
[15:11] <unavailable> right now i have all hardy entries.
[15:12] <unavailable> should i leave them or change them to intrepid (considering i doubt all the software maintainers have intrepid packages out yet i doubt i should change them but i just want to be sure)
[15:12] <Dedicated> alpha5: 32bit?
[15:13] <Dedicated> unavail: you dont run intrepid yet?
[15:13] <unavailable> yes
[15:13] <unavailable> i just upgraded last night
[15:14] <unavailable> and it told me something about disabled sources in the list
[15:14] <Dedicated> ah you mean hardy entries from non offical repos?
[15:14] <unavailable> yes
[15:14] <Dedicated> some have intrepid repos, yes
[15:15] <Dedicated> just change all and remove the ones that dont work
[15:27] <unavailable> allright
[15:29] <CarlFK> how much ram is needed for the desktop live cd?
[15:29] <CarlFK> for the live cd, not to install
[15:30] <Dedicated> hardy run on my very old laptop with 256meg
[15:30] <Chepra> still no alpha 5?
[15:30] <Pici> !requirements | perhaps?
[15:31] <CarlFK> 384?  hmm.. box only has 256... may splain things
[15:31] <Pici> It will be painful with a low amount of ram
[15:31] <pwnguin> i used to run debian GNOME on 192
[15:31] <pwnguin> but the LIVE cd does have some unique ram consuming features
[15:31] <danbhfive> yeah, the update-manager uses 50mb!!!   Thats crazy!
[15:32] <Pici> Yes, but we're talking about the liveCD, so no swap.
[15:32] <pwnguin> you can swap with the liveCD
[15:32] <Pici> Not be default.
[15:32] <pwnguin> the important part is that you have this filesystem sitting in ram
[15:33] <Pici> Indeed.
[15:33] <mvo> danbhfive: a lot of this is mmaped files, not "real" memory usage
[15:33] <danbhfive> pwnguin: is it still true that the liveCD, that it uses that much ram?  I thought the killer program was GParted, and they have changed to something different
[15:33] <alpha5_> so where is alpha5? its end of day already at gmt+6...
[15:33] <CarlFK> and to make things totally screwy, I am netbooting the cd, but only into single, so no X
[15:34] <pwnguin> danbhfive: the unavoidable part is that all the changes you make to the liveCD fs sit in RAM
[15:34] <lore20> hi
[15:35] <lore20> have anyone tried ubuntu 8.10 on eeeBox?
[15:36] <CarlFK> http://dpaste.com/75901/  22M on /
[15:45] <blackranger> hella
[15:45] <blackranger> hey danbhfive
[15:46] <danbhfive> the next version is called intrepid, which is what you are looking for
[15:46] <danbhfive> but its still alpha, with lots of issues
[15:46] <danbhfive> it doesnt go beta till Oct. 23
[15:46] <blackranger> is the alpha out?
[15:46] <blackranger> i just want to try a live disc to see if it does fix my wireless card
[15:46] <blackranger> issue
[15:47] <danbhfive> no, there is no live disk, but yes, the alpha is out
[15:47] <blackranger> crap
[15:47] <blackranger> have you encountered the problem with sony wireless cards?
[15:47] <blackranger> and the wireless lan switch is disabled?
[15:47] <blackranger> it's a pain
[15:47] <danbhfive> but remember, alpha is way more unstable than the beta.
[15:47] <danbhfive> no, sorry
[15:47] <blackranger> i won't try the alpha
[15:48] <blackranger> i spent like 5 months trying to figure it out when all i was told was "wait for the beta"
[15:48] <blackranger> which is fine with me
[15:48] <danbhfive> if you have a good size harddrive, and know about partitioning, it would be fine for you to try the alpha
[15:48]  * Hobbsee wishes it booted, every time.
[15:48] <danbhfive> im running it
[15:48] <blackranger> oh ok
[15:48] <blackranger> i might try it then
[15:48] <blackranger> i have plenty of space
[15:49] <danbhfive> you need to create a separate partition for it, so it doesnt mess up your regular install
[15:49] <blackranger> yea that's no proble
[15:49] <blackranger> m
[15:49] <alpha5_> i'm here! i bring happiness!
[15:49] <blackranger> i'm experienced with partitioning
[15:49] <alpha5_> :(
[15:50] <danbhfive> then just get the latest cd, and install to that partition, see how well it works.  And remember, it COULD crash, so make sure not to save anything valuable on that partition
[15:50] <Hobbsee> blackranger: fyi, the inline fsck is a bit trippy, too.
[15:50] <blackranger> crapola
[15:50] <blackranger> thanks for the tips guys
[15:50]  * Hobbsee found it odd that /home wasn't coming up properly (as it was being fsck'd)
[15:50] <Hobbsee> (but that's entirely non-obvious)
[15:51] <blackranger> haha
[15:51]  * blackranger cackles at alpha problems
[15:51] <Hobbsee> oh and compiz is known to lock up machines again.
[15:51] <danbhfive> lol
[15:52] <Hobbsee> haven't really noticed much else
[15:52] <danbhfive> so many "release notes"
[15:52] <Pici> fglrx still doesnt work, correct?
[15:52] <Hobbsee> Pici: *shrug*.  i have an intel card, so don't need to worry :)
[15:52] <blackranger> yea
[15:53] <blackranger> wow
[15:53] <blackranger> interesting. ..
[15:53] <blackranger> i have one of those marvell yukon cards and it sucks on 8.04!
[15:53] <Hobbsee> blackranger: they've always sucked.
[15:53] <blackranger> yea
[15:53]  * Hobbsee pawned hers off to dad.
[15:54] <blackranger> but supposidely the beta will fix it
[15:54] <Hobbsee> interestingly, my marvell wifi card worked better with the straight marvell drivers than the ones that came on the cd.
[15:54] <dominique> Whenever I try to start compiz effects, the screen goes blank.  Anybody else having this problem?
[15:55] <`Matir> dominique, nope, compiz works for me, but makes screensavers hard lock X.  you sure DRI is working for you?
[15:55] <Hobbsee> `Matir: has a solution been found for that yet?
[15:55] <Hobbsee> short of switching to metacity?
[15:55] <blackranger> the only fix for the marvell card was electric taping the 13th pin on the card
[15:55] <`Matir> Hobbsee, not that I'm aware of... looks like some ioctl call is failing and putting the X server into a very tight loop
[15:56] <`Matir> Hobbsee, I broke down the ioctl, but had no idea where to trace it from there.
[15:56] <Hobbsee> `Matir: ahhh.  good luck in solving it!
[15:56] <dominique> DRI?
[15:57] <`Matir> Hobbsee, thanks, lol.  I'm hoping what I did will help one of the X.org devs, maybe make things a tad easier.
[15:57] <dominique> Not sure I've heard of that before
[15:57] <`Matir> dominique, direct rendering.
[15:57] <`Matir> aka hardware acceleration
[15:57] <`Matir> if you're not sure, do "glxinfo | grep rend" in a terminal.
[15:58] <dominique> Well, it used to work.  Right now I'm not really sure how to test it
[15:58] <dominique> kay
[15:58] <dominique> direct rendering: Yes
[16:01] <dominique> If it's needed, it also says this: OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI R300 20060815 x86/MMX/SSE2 NO-TCL
[16:02] <hetauma> alpha5 will be out 2day?
[16:05] <_Zeus_> a5 isn't out yet eh?
[16:08] <CarlFK> danbhfive: "﻿no, there is no live disk" ?
[16:09] <danbhfive> CarlFK: last I heard
[16:10] <danbhfive> CarlFK: am I wrong?
[16:11] <CarlFK> danbhfive: yeah
[16:11] <danbhfive> :(
[16:11] <USER__> are we expecting Beta 5 with the new kernel today?
[16:11] <Pici> No, perhaps Alpha 5 though.
[16:12] <USER__> Pici, oops, sorry typo
[16:12] <Pici> :)
[16:12] <CarlFK>  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/intrepid-desktop-i386.iso  <- live cd
[16:12] <danbhfive> yeah, im seeing it
[16:12] <Pici> daily-lives are daily.
[16:13] <CarlFK> Pici: and live :)
[16:13] <alpha5_> Pici: no, some days a skipped => they not daily
[16:14] <Pici> I meant that daily-live images do not receive the same amount of testing that milestone release CDs do.
[16:14] <alpha5_> but they probably test latest daily cd and rename it to alpha5
[16:15] <Pici> Only if it works, and if it doesnt, then rebuilds are needed.
[16:15] <danbhfive> 6 of one, half a dozen of the other?
[16:15] <alpha5_> yeah sometimes they build like 5 daily livecds
[16:15] <alpha5_> in one day
[16:17] <Chepra> Pici: Uh, do you know an exact time for alpha 5 release?; )
[16:17] <alpha5_> so they not daily cds again ,but hourly cds ;)
[16:17] <danbhfive> I have the time!  I have it!
[16:18] <Pici> Chepra: I do not, most likely: 'when its done'
[16:18] <Chepra> Pici: Well, i expected that 'date' :D
[16:22] <alpha5_> maybe even tomorrow
[16:23] <simonlavallin> I am trying to find help on Ubuntu networking setings can anyone help
[16:23] <dominique> Are no wireless networks showing up?
[16:25] <simonlavallin> I can see windows machine but not the files
[16:25] <dominique> Ohh
[16:25] <simonlavallin> and I cant get into samba.conf
[16:26] <dominique> I'm not exactly the right person to help fix that.  xD
[16:26] <dominique> What does it say when you try to open the conf file?
[16:27] <simonlavallin> that i dont have permision
[16:28] <dominique> Oh, you need to type "sudo gedit samba.conf"
[16:28] <dominique> In the terminal.
[16:29] <dominique> Brb.
[16:29] <simonlavallin> ok I am in but there is no text
[16:30] <simonlavallin> your a wizard
[16:32] <Teisei> My Webcam works _again_ ^^
[16:35] <simonlavallin> Thanks for the help i was not puting the gedit first
[16:37] <simonlavallin> I will now return to the samba setup instructions and try again
[17:03] <dholbach> Ubuntu Developer Week Sessions start now: #ubuntu-classroom
[17:13] <MalditosUsureros> hi guys, anybody else had problems with dmraid in alpha 4? i can't make it to detect mi raid 0 (it worked in hardy)
[17:26] <noodlesgc> anyone know what time today alpha 5 is coming out?
[17:29] <dholbert> noodlesgc: /me wants to know too
[17:30] <Chepra> me too
[17:33] <noodlesgc> does anyone know if Intrepid will have DRI2?
[17:36] <tsuther> anyone having imap troubles with evolution 2.23.91?
[17:40] <dholbert> noodlesgc / Chepra:  I just wrote this script http://pastebin.mozilla.org/530205 to periodically check if the download URL is valid, and pop up a dialog when it is :)
[17:40] <dholbert> I'm running it in a screen session, in the background
[17:42] <Chepra> hehe nice
[17:42] <noodlesgc> very nice
[18:06] <tsuther> version 1.1
[18:06] <tsuther> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/530248
[18:28] <dholbert> tsuther: just added the "echo nothing yet" ?
[18:29] <dholbert> yeah, good to know that it's still running & not hung or something, I guess :)
[18:29] <tsuther> dholbert: i was kidding,
[18:29] <dholbert> ah, k :)
[18:30] <tsuther> saves me the hassle of saying it myself :)
[18:30] <dholbert> now, if only we could hook that script up to a bot in #ubuntu+1 ...
[18:31] <tsuther> *exactly* :)
[18:55] <dashavoo> Hey, can anybody tell me when alpha5 will show its face?
[18:55] <dholbert> dashavoo: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/530205
[18:56] <lintel> Is Intrepid already equipped with the final NetworkManger?
[18:56] <dashavoo> dholbert, thanks :), that will save me refreshing my browser every hour!
[18:57] <dholbert> hehe
[18:57] <dholbert> lintel: alpha4 had Network Manager 0.7
[18:57] <dholbert> per http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/alpha4
[18:58] <lintel> dholbert: thanks, then the problem will still persist with my AR5007EG + Zyxel 200 :(
[18:59] <dholbert> sad
[18:59] <dholbert> file bugs? :)
[18:59] <USER__> dholbert, :( I am on vista, no way I can run this script here. my life sucks
[19:00] <dholbert> USER__: Install cygwin for linux-on-windows
[19:01] <lintel> dholbert: but where? too much bureaucracy .
[19:01] <dholbert> USER__: or, use http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2008/07/30/all-in-one-pendrivelinux-2008/ for a QEMU-emulated linux environment
[19:01] <LSD|Ninja> Pen Drive Linux from Pen Island?
[19:01] <USER__> dholbert, I'm hoping to ditch windows from this laptop, but I just bought it and thought I'd just install the latest
[19:01] <dholbert> LSD|Ninja: Right, they're the founders of the Pen 15 club
[19:02] <dholbert> lintel: wherever Network Manager tracks its bugs, if it's a Network Manager bug
[19:02] <dholbert> lintel: presumably launchpad.net can direct you there
[19:02] <dholbert> lintel: yeah, filing bugs can be a bit of a headache, but if done correctly, it's the best way to get issues addressed / find out about workarounds :)
[19:04] <lintel> dholbert: I was @ #networkmanager an entire weekend, nobody was interested -- launchpad was never revealing its inner logic to me :( -- hey, I file bugs ;)
[19:05] <dholbert> lintel: sounds like you're doing the right things.  Sad that it's not working
[19:06] <lintel> dholbert: its just my hardware and not Ubuntu's fault since FED or others fail as Only Mandriva succeeds due to their own DRAK.
[19:07] <dholbert> k
[19:07] <dholbert> DRAK = ?
[19:07] <LSD|Ninja> dholbert: Manrapes config tools
[19:08] <dholbert> ah ty
[19:08] <LSD|Ninja> AR5007EG is pretty funky it seems, nothing really seems able to support it right
[19:08] <lintel> LSD|Ninja: right :(
[19:09] <lintel> bye!
[19:09] <LSD|Ninja> I thought things were looking up for it in Intrepid... Perhaps not.
[19:10] <dashavoo> At least he has a wifi card that will probably work one day... it took me months of searching through logs etc. trying to get mine to work, before realising that although my computer was advertised as having one, it doesn't
[19:11] <dashavoo> If only I had booted into the other OS before wiping it, I might have noticed :P
[19:11] <LSD|Ninja> Atheros is usually pretty good, it's just between them, Ubuntu and madwifi have been dragging their feet when it comes to supporting the newer ones
[19:14] <dholbert> dashavoo: Your computer doesn't have a wifi card?
[19:16] <dashavoo> not one that I can find anyway... I searched for it on the software side of things for months, and then one day opened up the case for another reason and thought "hey, I can't even see one in here!"
[19:17] <dashavoo> It isn't essential considering it is a desktop and is usually connected via a cable, but it was annoying considering it was advertised as having one
[19:18] <dholbert> yeah
[19:40] <DrHalan1> hey, im on intrepid and wireshark doesnt detect any network interfacing. im using w-lan
[19:48] <Ienorand> Is there a way to add the i8042.nomux=1 boot option (touchpad fix) without having to install ubuntu? it didn't work just adding to the livecd boot options...
[19:55] <askand> Can someonw using Intrepid check if bug 61185 is fixed?
[19:56] <askand> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/file-roller/+bug/61185
[19:57] <Ienorand> Would it work to test this in the daily livecd you think?
[19:59] <askand>  Ienorand: yea that should work I think
[20:00] <Ienorand> askand: Hang on a while then... btw, something funny with the irc connections?
[20:00] <askand> dunno just got here :)
[20:02] <Ienorand> Ah, it'll mebbe take a while... but I'll try to check
[20:15] <Afief> will alpha5 be released today? only two hours local time for this day to officially end
[20:16] <wha1> lol today is 5th already for me
[20:16] <napsy_> Hello. What is the name of the currently default theme for intrepid?
[20:17] <balachmar> Hi, I am having trouble with intrepid in a VM. The latest kernel results in a black screen and in the other kernel my network is not recognized. I am using qemu/kvm.
[20:18] <balachmar> nevermind, I have succes again....
[20:18] <balachmar> at least with the not latest kernel and the workaround...
[20:18] <Afief> wha1, where do you live?
[20:18] <wha1> gmt+6
[20:20] <Afief> wha1, gmt+2 here, israel
[20:29] <dashavoo> from my timezone, there is still 3.5 hours for alpha5 to be released on the specified date, so there is hope yet
[20:30] <napsy_> wen will it be released?
[20:30] <napsy_> *when
[20:31] <dashavoo> napsy_, supposedly on the 4th (today)
[20:32] <napsy_> oh ok
[20:32] <napsy_> 4th will end very soon for me :)
[20:52] <FicaBlok38>  hello, how can i upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10 alpha 4?
[20:52] <Afief> FicaBlok38, updatemanager -d
[20:53] <SebNaitsabes> why do you want to upgrade?
[20:53] <Afief> or was it upgrademanager... can't recall. I'm choking on vista till alph5 is out
[20:53] <SebNaitsabes> so it's on alpha 4 ok, when is the beta?
[20:53] <FicaBlok38> i dont have udpate manager
[20:53] <FicaBlok38> am on kubuntu
[20:53] <Afief> FicaBlok38, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseSchedule
[20:53] <tsuther> FicaBlok38: sudo do-release-upgrade -dm desktop (worked for me)
[20:54] <FicaBlok38> tsuther: that works
[20:54] <FicaBlok38> thanks
[20:54] <tsuther> np
[20:55] <tsuther> FicaBlok38: what are you running now?
[20:55] <FicaBlok38> kubuntu 8.04 with kde4
[20:55] <tsuther> do you have an ati video card by chance?
[20:55] <FicaBlok38> yes i have, but it is very old
[20:56] <FicaBlok38> ati 9000
[20:56] <tsuther> fglrx driver is hosed in alpha 4 (and probably in alpha 5)
[20:56] <tsuther> if you care
[20:57] <FicaBlok38> ok i will be waiting for final version
[20:57] <FicaBlok38> thanks
[20:57] <FicaBlok38> i am very new in this
[20:57] <FicaBlok38> so...
[20:57] <SebNaitsabes> well in that case
[20:57] <SebNaitsabes> don't update
[20:57] <SebNaitsabes> untill at least Beta
[20:57] <Afief> FicaBlok38, basically you shouldn't upgrade if you can't compile your own kernel:)
[20:58] <FicaBlok38> :))
[20:58] <Afief> (some people go as far as saying you must be able to write your own, but those are purists)
[20:58] <SebNaitsabes> hummmmm ok, but the beta
[20:58] <SebNaitsabes> will be fine with whatever kernel
[20:58] <SebNaitsabes> it has
[20:58] <SebNaitsabes> ?
[20:59] <FicaBlok38> for compileing
[20:59] <FicaBlok38> i am very yang. i have too much time.
[20:59] <FicaBlok38> :)
[20:59] <SebNaitsabes> compile my own kernel?  yeah  basically install the kernel from source?
[20:59] <Afief> SebNaitsabes, it's more like a metaphor:) people who can build their own kernel tend to know their way around commandlines and configurations
[20:59] <SebNaitsabes> tar.gz ors omethihng
[21:00] <Afief> SebNaitsabes, yup that kind of thing
[21:00] <SebNaitsabes> Ubuntu is  seen as a noobs distro though
[21:00] <SebNaitsabes> yes a lot can be done with commands
[21:00] <SebNaitsabes> in it as well
[21:00] <SebNaitsabes> ,but still
[21:00] <Afief> it gives you all you need as a noob as well as a pro
[21:00] <SebNaitsabes> yeah  I tried other distros
[21:00] <SebNaitsabes> and I been like what
[21:00] <Afief> I mean I was on gentoo but moved to ubuntu because of the nicely available restricted drivers
[21:00] <SebNaitsabes> they all are so similar
[21:00] <Afief> the interface is, the internals aren't that similar
[21:01] <FicaBlok38> comiling is very hard to me.
[21:01] <Afief> FicaBlok38, usually you don't need it
[21:01] <FicaBlok38> but i am always try and try
[21:01] <FicaBlok38> :)
[21:01] <Afief> FicaBlok38, unless you wanna live on the bleeding edge or wanna help the developers
[21:01] <FicaBlok38> Afief: i like alpha and beta programs
[21:01] <Afief> FicaBlok38, why is that?
[21:02] <FicaBlok38> i can`t wait to final version
[21:02] <FicaBlok38> :)
[21:02] <FicaBlok38> sorry for my bad english
[21:02] <FicaBlok38> :)
[21:02]  * SebNaitsabes likes to get Ubuntu  early, but not to early
[21:02] <SebNaitsabes> since not a developer
[21:02] <Afief> impatience is only a virtue for developers, for users patience is
[21:02] <SebNaitsabes> and not  amazing at command line either
[21:02] <SebNaitsabes> I learnt my lesson with Gutsy
[21:03] <FicaBlok38> Afief: i dont use that programs i just try it.
[21:03] <FicaBlok38> So guys where are you from?
[21:04] <SebNaitsabes> England
[21:04] <Afief> Israel
[21:05] <SebNaitsabes> FicaBlock38: yes I woudn't recommend upgarding untill Beta  unless you know commandline and that really well
[21:05] <SebNaitsabes> also you can get some of the later packages such as Banshe in Hardy anyway
[21:05] <SebNaitsabes> by adding a repo
[21:05] <FicaBlok38> i use kubuntu
[21:06] <FicaBlok38> I am from Serbia :)
[21:06] <SebNaitsabes> oh yeah Banshee is a  Gnome app isan't it?
[21:06] <SebNaitsabes> well Gnome apps can also run in KDE
[21:06] <Afief> SebNaitsabes, well I gotta use beta5 specifically because I gotta test my new Laptop on the new kernel, the old kernel used to misread my ACAPI stuff and shutdown because of a thermal error
[21:06] <Afief> (to prevent overheating)
[21:06] <FicaBlok38> SebNaitsabes: i know but i already use Amarok
[21:06] <`Matir> Afief, what kernel version are you hoping for?
[21:07] <SebNaitsabes> apparnatly Banshee is much better now so ill have to get that repo done
[21:07] <SebNaitsabes> rythombox is ok, but  don't really like it
[21:07] <SebNaitsabes> and Amarok don't like that at all
[21:07] <Afief> 2.6.27(RC something)
[21:08] <FicaBlok38> SebNaitsabes: i like amarok
[21:08] <FicaBlok38> :)
[21:08] <Afief> `Matir, why?
[21:08] <FicaBlok38> i hate kde3 programs
[21:08] <FicaBlok38> like konversation
[21:08] <`Matir> Afief, just curious, as my intrepid machine has 2.6.27-2-generic
[21:08] <FicaBlok38> but i must use it
[21:08] <Afief> FicaBlok38, help the devs upgrading them
[21:09] <SebNaitsabes> I use konversation
[21:09] <Afief> `Matir, did that come with the installation or did you have to upgrade?
[21:09] <SebNaitsabes> kde3 one
[21:09] <Afief> `Matir, also, they should call it something else..... 2.6.27 isn't released yet
[21:09] <SebNaitsabes> when I had kde4 installed before there wasn't that much difference, but I think it's changed quite a bit now
[21:09] <FicaBlok38> i dont like style
[21:10] <FicaBlok38> acctually i dont like program which uses qt3
[21:10] <Afief> FicaBlok38, they still use Qt3 and stuff, you gotta live with that
[21:10] <FicaBlok38> Afief: lol
[21:11] <FicaBlok38> yes i must
[21:11] <FicaBlok38> :)
[21:11] <Afief> FicaBlok38, actually you don't:D just pay the developers 50$ and you'll see how they'll get your program to Qt4 faster
[21:12] <FicaBlok38> Afief: lol, i dont have that money and i dont credit card
[21:12] <FicaBlok38> but good idea
[21:12] <FicaBlok38> ;:)
[21:13] <FicaBlok38> i am teenager
[21:13] <FicaBlok38> :)
[21:13] <askand> there seems to be a lot more good programs written for kde? is it easier to program for qt than gtk   or something? :O
[21:13] <Afief> FicaBlok38, that's the time I learned programming:D you might wanna give it a try
[21:14] <`Matir> Afief, I didn't install from media, just did the upgrade-manager -d route.
[21:14] <Afief> askand, it might just be a personal preference, but I find Qt to be MUCH easier to develop with
[21:14] <askand> Afief: apparently a lot of other people to then :)
[21:14] <FicaBlok38> Afief: i am not for that, i am cook
[21:14] <FicaBlok38> :)
[21:14] <Afief> askand, perhaps because Qt uses C++ stuff to hide so much from the developers while GTK+ tries to do everything in C
[21:15] <FicaBlok38> Afief: but i like programing
[21:16] <Afief> askand, GTK-MM is not bad(though it's still lightyears away from Qt) but it adds a layer I don't like dealing with
[21:16] <Jordan_U> Afief: Yeh, gtk tries to make their own bastardized object oriented C, qt builds on someone else's bastardized Object Oriented C :)
[21:16] <Afief> Jordan_U, yeah but that "someone else's" is the Standard that has been developed in over 30 years
[21:17] <FicaBlok38> programing is very hard to me
[21:18] <Afief> FicaBlok38, it gets easier with experience
[21:18] <FicaBlok38> i dont know i dont know english well
[21:18] <Afief> if you're good with art you might wanna try and draw interfaces for programs you like and send them to the devs, god knows a programmer should NEVER design an interface
[21:19] <Afief> FicaBlok38, what's your native language?
[21:19] <FicaBlok38> Afief: serbian
[21:19] <FicaBlok38> Afief:  i dont like book
[21:19] <FicaBlok38> books
[21:20] <Afief> FicaBlok38, sorry can't speak serbian:) English German Hebrew and Arabic only
[21:20] <FicaBlok38> Afief: oho thats good
[21:20] <FicaBlok38> but you must learn serbian
[21:20] <FicaBlok38> :)
[21:21] <Afief> FicaBlok38, learning japaneese right now. lots of intersting books/movies/anime
[21:21] <dashavoo> Afief, where are you from?
[21:22] <Afief> dashavoo, born in germany, living in israel. where are you from?
[21:22] <dashavoo> born, and living, in England
[21:22] <dashavoo> I wondered about you because it is an interesting combination of languages
[21:22] <FicaBlok38> Afief: Ephraim Kishon is my favorite writer. He is from Israel i think.
[21:23] <dashavoo> I speak fluent English ;), can hold a complex conversation in French as long as people speak slowly, and am learning Japanese
[21:23] <Afief> dashavoo, well I'm an arab(arabic), I live in a israel(hebrew), I grew up in Germany(german) and I spend must of my time online(english)
[21:24] <Bert_2> Hi, on what time will alpha5 be released ?
[21:25] <Afief> Bert_2, nobody knows. the official answer "when it's ready"
[21:25] <nemo> dashavoo: hey. that's the same set as me :)
[21:26] <dashavoo> Afief, that makes sense. I wish I were foreign so I could learn a language just by being online :P
[21:26] <dashavoo> nemo, really? You also have the same name as me (sort of)
[21:26] <dashavoo> My friends call me Nemo
[21:26] <Afief> dashavoo, go hang out on arabic websites, most people there don't even speak Arabic
[21:26] <Afief> **english
[21:27] <dashavoo> because my name is Mo, and somebody once misheard it as Nemo when being introduced =P
[21:27] <kathy> anyone know why ubuntu 8.10 alpha 5 didnt release today as scheduled.  cannot find anything on google
[21:27] <nemo> dashavoo: 私 は 日本語 を  すこし   はなします :)
[21:27] <dashavoo> Afief, might give it a try sometime
[21:27] <nemo> dashavoo: I don't know much more than that :-/
[21:27] <dholbert> kathy: it still has 10.5 hrs in pacific timezone, to make it 'today' :)
[21:27] <Afief> kathy, most likely the devs aren't satisfied with the quality or there is a showstopper bug. and it's still 4th here
[21:27] <dashavoo> heh, nor me, I am thankful you said something I could read =P
[21:28] <dholbert> kathy: presumably, if it does end up being delayed, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseSchedule will be updated
[21:28]  * Afief couldn't read whatever it was dashavoo said
[21:28] <kathy> ok, Thank you Afief.  Cause due released on 4th september but i cannot even get the release schedule site up now
[21:28] <kathy> Thank you Dholbert
[21:29] <dholbert> kathy: no prob.  I can see the release schedule that I just linked to, for what it's worth
[21:29] <dashavoo> Afief, nemo said "Watashi wa Nihon go o sukoshi hanashimasu", meaning I speak a little Japanese
[21:29] <kathy> yes, link you gave me brought it up that time. Thanks again.
[21:29] <dashavoo> I assume you meant you couldn't read what he said, because I was typing in English
[21:31] <Afief> dashavoo, yeah sorry, it's almost midnight here and I'm getting sleepy
[21:31] <Afief> can I sue the ubuntu devs if I get fired tomorrow?
[21:31] <Bert_2> Afief: you're english I guess ?
[21:31] <dashavoo> Afief, don't worry about it, happens to me all the time, and not even late at night =P
[21:32] <Afief> Bert_2, nope, I'm an Arab(and yes most of the jokes about arabs are true) living in israel
[21:32] <nemo> dashavoo: and I broke 'em up 'cause I find it all a little disconcerting still :)
[21:32] <JontheEchidna> Afief: The GPL protects the devs from that. :P
[21:32] <Bert_2> Afief: I'm from Belgium, I don't make jokes about arabs
[21:32] <Afief> JontheEchidna, damn the GPL:D gotta find a loophole
[21:33] <nemo> well. I didn't break up "nihongo" not - sure why you did :)
[21:33] <Afief> Bert_2, didn't mean it that way, but when I say I'm an arab most people get "tender" which I hate. yes most arabs are retards and barbarians, that's a fact
[21:33] <dashavoo> nemo, I didn't break them up the same was as you did, I just broke them up as looked write in romaji
[21:34] <Bert_2> Afief: I'm very open minded ;)
[21:35] <dashavoo> Afief, I was looking forward to you telling us some of the jokes people make about Arabs... the only one I can think of is the thing from Family Fortunes, where the question was "Name a dangerous race" (meaning sports), and somebody responded with "The Arabs"
[21:36] <Ienorand> Hmm, is there no rar-support in current Ibex? there seems to be no unrar/unrar-free to install...
[21:36] <Afief> dashavoo, I'm too upset right now, having read an article about an Egyptian being sentenced to death by Saudi Arabia because he converted to some other religion. I mean WTFF? Are these guys actually TRYING to look retarted or does it come natural?
[21:37] <jussi01> !ot
[21:37] <jussi01> !o4o
[21:37] <dashavoo> =(
[21:37] <Afief> oops, sorry
[21:38] <Ienorand> Is there a way to add the i8042.nomux=1 boot option (touchpad fix) without having to install ubuntu? it didn't work just adding to the livecd boot options...
[21:38] <dashavoo> Afief, we are all guilty of being off topic
[21:39] <Afief> dashavoo, well I'll go contemplate my guilt in bed. See you
[21:39] <dashavoo> Night
[21:40] <Bert_2> Can someone tell me whether pulseaudio is working better in intrepid than in hardy (it needed a lot of tweaks to get it working properly)
[21:41] <s0u][ight> hello can someone help me about the touchpad issue
[21:42] <Ienorand> Hmm, is there no rar-support in current Ibex? there seems to be no unrar/unrar-free to install...
[21:42] <s0u][ight> some time ago i helped people out with their touchpad not working but now i forgot the 2 bootparameters myself can someone help me?
[21:42] <Ienorand> i8042.nomux=1
[21:43] <Ienorand> I have not tried it, but I have the affected laptop and that seems to be the thing mentioned...
[21:45] <s0u][ight> Ienorand, there should be another one too
[21:45] <s0u][ight> same start
[21:47] <tsuther> s0u][ight: what touchpad issue?  is it with the scroll wheel?
[21:47] <tsuther> (middle-mouse scrolling?)
[21:48] <s0u][ight> yeah
[21:49] <s0u][ight> there was another one like nomux.noloop=0 or so
[22:07] <tsuther> s0u][ight: you put those in the grub conf file?
[22:09] <Ienorand> s0u][ight: Oh, I think we're referring to different things maybe, the i8042.nomux=1 is to solve a psychotic touchpad on a dellxps 1530...
[22:09] <Ienorand> Is there a way to add the i8042.nomux=1 boot option without having to install ubuntu? it didn't work just adding to the livecd boot options...
[22:13] <jblack> Quick question. Has anyone else observed the gnome-mount-daemon, when mounting cryptfs filesystems, not accepting really long passwords?
[22:16] <dashavoo> jblack, no, but I will tell you what I have noticed
[22:16] <dashavoo> when my wireless passphrase gets saved..
[22:16] <dashavoo> well
[22:17] <dashavoo> it doesn't, to put it simply, it actually saves the asterisks
[22:35] <jblack> dashavoo: That sounds like a different problem to me. No advice on that for ya. sorry.
[22:36] <dashavoo> jblack, don't worry about it, I will file a bug report if it is still there in alpha5 anyway
[22:37] <pwnguin> is alpha5 due out today?
[22:40] <dashavoo> pwnguin, yes
[22:40] <dashavoo> assuming it is still 4th of September where you are
[22:40] <pwnguin> so is it out?
[22:41] <dashavoo> Nope
[22:41] <dashavoo> it is due out... so far, no carrot
[22:49] <pimpy_> hi there
[22:49] <pimpy_> i am looking for the alpha5 :)
[22:49] <pimpy_> thanks
[22:53] <vistakiller> in kubuntu ibex i can mount audio cd in new device notifier widget
[22:53] <vistakiller> any idea?
[22:58] <pimpy_> alpha5 is not out in the US ? midnight here :/
[22:59] <Cycom> not afaik
[23:00] <pimpy_> ok then tomorrow
[23:00] <pimpy_> for me...
[23:02] <vistakiller> and one other problem in kubuntu ibex
[23:02] <vistakiller> i cant see my audio cd
[23:04] <pimpy_> good nite
[23:05] <bsnider> i'm highly unsatisfied. linux is only 95% better than windows. i want that other 5%
[23:05] <bsnider> and i want it now
[23:06] <Cycom> bsnider: get an apple! At least it'll TELL you it's 100% better.
[23:06] <bsnider> i'm not going to sell my soul to apple corps
[23:06] <Cycom> bsnider: in reality, Windows still has the massive draw of having so much infrastructure in place.  Vista really is pretty simple to use and run software on.
[23:07] <bsnider> yeah, if you want to deal with relentless kernel crashes
[23:07] <Cycom> bsnider: which I've seen zero times.
[23:08] <tretle> Hi, anyne there?
[23:08] <bsnider> no
[23:08] <unfo> i am not here either
[23:08]  * Cycom leaves
[23:11] <tretle> right, I am having an issue with banshee-1 since I updated to intrepid around alpha 2... The now playing widget renders in its own window outside of banshee for some reason... I was told that it wasnt a bug with banshee but with something else in intrepid which also affects flash.. I wanted to find a bug report on the problem to add my +2 but I have no idea what is actually casing the bug or where its located... any ideas?
[23:11] <tretle> casing - causing
[23:12] <Cycom> is 2.6.27 steadfastly going into 8.10?
[23:12] <bsnider> i'm using it right now. there are no problems
[23:12] <Cycom> bsnider: with 2.6.27?
[23:12] <bsnider> no, with banshee
[23:12] <Cycom> oh.
[23:12] <bsnider> they can still fall back to .26 if necessary
[23:12] <bsnider> they don't want to
[23:13] <tretle> bsnider - how did you know what i was typing :D lol
[23:13] <Cycom> bsnider: I ask because 2.6.27 breaks a lot of random VMWare junk.  I bet VMWare will fix it, just wondering what the timescale is likely to be.
[23:13] <bsnider> you can go to the ubuntu-kernel channel and ask ben collins if you want. he's in charge of it
[23:13] <Cycom> *shrug* I'll just wait and see.
[23:14] <Cycom> best not disturb the devs on a release night :)
[23:14] <bsnider> screw vmware
[23:15] <pwnguin> yea, who needs users!?
[23:15] <tretle> bsnider what version of banshee are you using?
[23:15] <bsnider> current
[23:15] <tretle> svn or official repo or banshee- team repo?
[23:15] <Cycom> bsnider: sorry, but in the REAL WORLD, people need to run VMs, and VMWare still has the best layout in town.
[23:16] <bsnider> vmware sucks
[23:16] <Cycom> got any proof to back this up, or are you just trolling?
[23:16] <SebNaitsabes> VMware is ok
[23:17] <SebNaitsabes> ,but Virtualbox is big :)
[23:17] <bsnider> i don't need proof. this isn't a court. it's my subjective opinion. virtualbox is good, vmware isn't
[23:18] <Cycom> so you are just trolling. :/
[23:18] <tretle> I would agree with bsnider there, but thats just personal preference
[23:18] <pwnguin> well if its just subjective opinion, why bother sharing
[23:18] <pwnguin> chocolate ice cream sucks
[23:18] <tretle> nooooooooo
[23:18] <tretle> but its brown
[23:18] <bsnider> he brought it up
[23:18] <tretle> :D :P
[23:19] <Cycom> bsnider: and you said 'vmware sucks' and have not yet qualified your statement.
[23:19] <tretle> im sure vmware will be fixed in good time
[23:19] <tretle> no need to worry
[23:19]  * TheInfinity sometimes wonders why virtualbox or quemu have such almost religious fanboys ...
[23:19] <vistakiller> i have a problem in ibex with audio cd
[23:20] <vistakiller> all the programmes cant see my audio cd
[23:20] <dashavoo> TheInfinity, this is the internet, everything has almost religious fanboys
[23:20] <vistakiller> neither from terminal
[23:20] <tretle> bsnider - could you go into banshee and play a track go into now playing, back to library view and then back into now playing and tell me what happens
[23:20] <vistakiller> ls -lh /dev/cdrom
[23:20] <vistakiller> ls: cannot access /dev/cdrom: No such file or directory
[23:20] <vistakiller> there is no dev/cdrom file
[23:20] <bsnider> vmware is probably good for corporate setups, i don't know. i didn't try that version. in my experience, virutalbox was easier to set up and faster than vmware
[23:21] <vistakiller> yesterday i have upgrade my system from hardy
[23:21] <TheInfinity> dashavoo: the funny thing is - most ppl. who are in this way religious are against conventional religions
[23:21] <bsnider> tretle, nothing unusual happens
[23:21] <dashavoo> haha, TheInfinity, that is so true!
[23:21] <LL00> vmware is easier except you need to compile modules
[23:22] <LL00> bridege network you have nothing to so
[23:22] <tretle> try telling most non corporate end users to compile modules
[23:22] <tretle> :D
[23:22] <LL00> so/do
[23:22] <tretle> bsnider - so are you using svn?
[23:23] <LL00> vmware on windows not need to comoile ;)
[23:23] <LL00> compile*
[23:23] <tretle> but then your on windows
[23:23] <bsnider> 1.2.1, not svn
[23:23] <bsnider> the one in the intrepid repository
[23:24] <tretle> ok cool, i'll give that one a shot once more to see if its a regression
[23:24] <pwnguin> TheInfinity: in my experience, the most ardent religious tech warriors are also insanely religious.
[23:24] <LL00> why you use vbox and not kvm or kqemu?
[23:25] <TheInfinity> pwnguin: yea ... and other techies attack you if you use "religious" hardware
[23:25] <pwnguin> religious hardware?
[23:25] <TheInfinity> pwnguin: mac for example.
[23:25] <pwnguin> a cross?
[23:26] <TheInfinity> or alienware laptops
[23:26] <LL00> maybe he's talking about intel vs amd or ati vs nvidia :)
[23:26] <pwnguin> the one true brand is Ubuntu, and you shall worship it weekly
[23:26] <TheInfinity> or amd vs intel or ... theres so much ;)
[23:26] <lore20> hi
[23:27] <lore20> hane anyone tried ubuntu 8.10 on eeeBox?
[23:27] <TheInfinity> in my case its a mac - i dont know how much techies attacked me because i have a mac. its so strange sometimes ...
[23:27] <LL00> mac, it's mac OS :)
[23:27] <LL00> so like linx vs BSD
[23:27] <LL00> linux*
[23:27] <TheInfinity> yea
[23:28] <lore20> is mac bsd-based?
[23:28] <TheInfinity> lore20: yes
[23:28] <LL00> yep
[23:28] <Ienorand> Is there a way to add the i8042.nomux=1 to boot without installing ubuntu, didn't work just slapping it in using the livecd...
[23:28] <LL00> freebsd
[23:29] <lore20> but will the intrepid default theme be NewHuman?
[23:30] <TheInfinity> lemonade: by modifying grub boot options? yes it works, just modify them :) (its one of the F keys)
[23:31] <dashavoo> Ienorand, you keep asking that question, I think you can assume that nobody knows
[23:33] <tretle> well banshee's n ow playing screen is broken here too
[23:33] <Ienorand> dashavoo: Yea... I guess so, though I might eventlually catch someone...
[23:34] <tretle> i mean on the official intrepid repos
[23:34] <bsnider> tretle, screenshot, plz
[23:34] <Ienorand> (* I thought)
[23:35] <TheInfinity> Ienorand: i gave you an answer ;)
[23:36] <tretle> http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotyy6.png
[23:37] <tretle> bsnider - screenshot above
[23:37] <bsnider> yeah, i'm looking at it
[23:37] <Ienorand> TheInfinity: on the livecd boot screen I tried adding it (pressing F6, I think, and just slapping it into the boot line), but it said that option was unknown....
[23:38] <TheInfinity> then it seems to be unknown :I)
[23:39] <bsnider> tretle, i'd uninstall everything and purge it all inlcuding anything in gconf-editor
[23:39] <bsnider> then yank it down again
[23:39] <bsnider> by everything i mean banshee-1
[23:40] <Ienorand> TheInfinity: Would that be because it is not in Ibex yet, or doesn't work with livecds at all?
[23:42] <tretle> bsnider I have purged everything banshee-1 related
[23:42] <tretle> I also tried numerouse fresh installs
[23:42] <tretle> well by fresh i mean fresh hardy installs folowed by upgrades
[23:43] <bsnider> i did a fresh intrpid install
[23:43] <bsnider> so there's a difference
[23:45] <dashavoo> 15 minutes until tomorrow... I don't think I will be seeing alpha5 today
[23:47] <lore20> in USA there are some hours until tomorrow... in Italy,France,Germany is tomorrow since 45 minute
[23:47] <Ienorand> dashavoo: GMT eh?
[23:48] <Ienorand> Where is actually most of Canonical based?
[23:48] <lore20> I think in U.S.
[23:48] <dashavoo> Ienorand, BST
[23:48] <dashavoo> but you got the idea
[23:48] <lore20> BST? What's BST?
[23:49] <dashavoo> lore20, British Summer Time
[23:49] <lore20> aah....
[23:49] <dashavoo> which is GMT+1
[23:49] <lore20> so GMT is always solar time, isn't iT?
[23:50] <dashavoo> lore20, I don't understand the question
[23:51] <lore20> I thought british time is always GMT
[23:51] <dashavoo> lore20, no
[23:52] <dashavoo> From March until October England is GMT+1
[23:52] <lore20> ok
[23:53] <dashavoo> It is to compensate for the longer days I think
[23:55] <lore20> yes