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| thorwil | hello! | 12:32 |
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| thorwil | _MMA_: in every single project naming effort i observed, there have been some people who don't understand the meaning of a made decision :) | 12:34 |
| * _MMA_ hasn't read his email yet. (about to) | 12:34 | |
| _MMA_ | thorwil: I was expecting some mass of people already complaining about the name. Just 1 more post about someone thing "breathe" was gross. I agree with the reply. :) | 12:40 |
| thorwil | yes, it's a mild case, so long | 12:40 |
| thorwil | ugh. not a good use of the title font. http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/qapkgstatus/compiz | 12:41 |
| * _MMA_ looks. | 12:43 | |
| * thorwil considers a "never use the ubuntu title/titling font, except if you create a label that directly combines ubuntu with another word" rule | 12:45 | |
| _MMA_ | :) | 12:46 |
| thorwil | just yesterday i was tempted to create matching number for 8.10, though. decided against as i would need the entire set 0 - 9 | 12:47 |
| _MMA_ | thorwil: So, I'm gonna wait a bit before the email to the list goes out but https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet if you want to tinker. I'll be working on it in a bit. (gotta get the kids off to school 1st) | 12:48 |
| thorwil | good! | 12:49 |
| _MMA_ | kwwii: Ill be working on the structure of the set today. Would you send me a folder structure of what you think we would need? Or, do you want me to do one and you'll make any additions? | 13:09 |
| * thorwil hopes his attempt to stop cross-posting will work | 13:12 | |
| Cimi | kwwii: you may be interested in see these examples: http://www.cimitan.com/blog/2008/09/04/three-new-smooth-themes-for-murrine-chrome-cream-candido/ | 13:19 |
| kwwii | _MMA_: I think that if you look at the tango theme you'll get a good idea of how the directory stucture should be | 13:28 |
| kwwii | Cimi: what does this new contrast function do? | 13:29 |
| _MMA_ | kwwii: For instance, we *won't* have scalable because some things do not render. Right? So what larger sizes above 48px do we use? Current Oxygen sets packaged for GNOME use 64,72,96,128 as well. | 13:46 |
| _MMA_ | I'd like to *not* use those sizes is Im mistaken about the scalable issue. (clipping paths and what not) | 13:46 |
| kwwii | _MMA_: we still need to have scalable, even if only the large sizes are rendered from it, and if the icon does not render right we still need them there as a soure | 13:47 |
| kwwii | I would include those dirs but only put icons in them that do not render correctly | 13:48 |
| _MMA_ | Oh wait. WTF am I talking about. Any ones that don't render right we just replace. Duh. I'll go with a standard structure. | 13:49 |
| _MMA_ | kwwii: Should we render 48px png and use svg for anything above? | 14:20 |
| kwwii | _MMA_: yes, as much as possible | 14:21 |
| kwwii | except the ones which do not render right | 14:21 |
| _MMA_ | k | 14:21 |
| kwwii | almost all render ok in the meantime | 14:21 |
| kwwii | in gnome that is, in kde4 there are still problems with the renderer | 14:21 |
| _MMA_ | And any of those I say we replace. | 14:21 |
| kwwii | right | 14:22 |
| kwwii | sounds like a good idea as long as there is a good replacement | 14:22 |
| kwwii | btw, we should include the scripts to render and rename things | 14:22 |
| kwwii | I am in a metting atm, let me finish and we can discuss this more | 14:22 |
| _MMA_ | k | 14:23 |
| Cimi | kwwii: works just better than the previous | 14:30 |
| _MMA_ | kwwii: When you're ready: Should we include 8&12px folders because Human does for the GTK close buttons or should we just start anew based on Tango? Add new as needed. | 14:57 |
| _MMA_ | brb | 15:07 |
| kwwii | _MMA_: re | 15:45 |
| _MMA_ | yo | 15:45 |
| kwwii | we can include those folders if we feel as if we are really going to change them | 15:45 |
| kwwii | I was thinking about the scalable stuff | 15:46 |
| _MMA_ | Ok. We can add them as needed then. | 15:46 |
| kwwii | and in oxygen we have extra dirs in each scalable dir for svgs of different sizes | 15:46 |
| _MMA_ | SO they would then overide the .png of the same size? | 15:47 |
| kwwii | from those svgs you will render the png of that size | 15:48 |
| kwwii | so you do not need it in the final theme | 15:48 |
| _MMA_ | I don't think we'll need all that. In "trunk" everything will be .svg. Then the script will render the pngs for 48px down. | 15:49 |
| kwwii | cool, so we will only need that structure in launchpad | 15:49 |
| _MMA_ | Yep. | 15:50 |
| _MMA_ | Damn. Im gonna have to make subpages for the "Icon" section on the wiki. Otherwise, even though they will be small images, there will be alot of them. | 15:51 |
| kwwii | ted just said something really funny... | 15:51 |
| kwwii | I said that artists are under-valued | 15:51 |
| kwwii | and he responded "yeah, but just like strippers they play and important part in our society" | 15:52 |
| _MMA_ | heheheheh | 15:52 |
| * kwwii heads out to get dinner before my conf call in an hour | 16:04 | |
| _MMA_ | kwwii: Beginnings of a dir structure pushed to trunk along with a index.theme file. | 16:14 |
| kwwii | _MMA_: cool, I will check it out in a bit and have a look | 16:14 |
| _MMA_ | np | 16:15 |
| thorwil | hmm. i think jimmac used pixel-editing a lot. no idea if he still does | 17:07 |
| thorwil | _MMA_: i guess the if, when and how of outlines require experimentation | 17:08 |
| thorwil | _MMA_, kwwii: what do you think of the icon sheet approach? | 17:08 |
| thorwil | http://jimmac.musichall.cz/log/?p=436 | 17:10 |
| _MMA_ | thorwil: This is *the* way we should do our set. We need a base .svg and the script he uses. | 17:22 |
| _MMA_ | I wonder how cool jimmac would be with that if I asked him for it. | 17:27 |
| thorwil | i bet he'd be cool about it | 17:31 |
| thorwil | _MMA_: of course, being from ubuntu, we _need_ to use python, not some bloody ruby ;) | 17:31 |
| * thorwil -> dinner | 17:38 | |
| _MMA_ | thorwil: Yeah. I don't think it would be hard to convert it. | 17:40 |
| _MMA_ | I'm gonna email him. | 17:40 |
| _MMA_ | Done. | 17:51 |
| _MMA_ | thorwil: Damn. I shoulda read the comments: http://pastebin.ca/1071599. | 17:52 |
| _MMA_ | And a python implementation: http://pastebin.ca/1071649 :P | 17:56 |
| _MMA_ | What would the "global extensions dir" for Inkscape be? "/usr/share/inkscape/extensions"? | 18:10 |
| thorwil | that would make sense | 18:15 |
| _MMA_ | Hmm.. Im trying to install the scripts there (on the blog) for Inkscape. Nothing. | 18:16 |
| thorwil | #inkscape is near | 18:17 |
| _MMA_ | I asked. Again, nothing. | 18:17 |
| _MMA_ | thorwil: Here's that web page he was using: http://users.freedesktop.org/~jimmac/icons | 18:23 |
| thorwil | freakin cool, except for the issue with line-wraps | 18:24 |
| thorwil | now imagine that with bg colour switching ;) | 18:25 |
| _MMA_ | :) | 18:25 |
| _MMA_ | See if you can get these plugins to work: http://jimmac.musichall.cz/log/?p=436 From the "Aaron Spike" guy. He has 2 in a row. | 18:26 |
| thorwil | _MMA_: which reminds me that our icon sheets could be prepared with switchable backgrounds | 18:26 |
| _MMA_ | Sure. Im wide open to ideas. | 18:27 |
| thorwil | _MMA_: i havn't looked at ken's ppa. maybe colours could be sampled from there, for a start? | 18:28 |
| thorwil | http://www.ekips.org/comp/inkscape/inx/icon_workflow-plates_visibility.tar.gz? | 18:28 |
| _MMA_ | k. I was gonna chat about that when he returns. | 18:28 |
| _MMA_ | Yeah. Those. | 18:28 |
| _MMA_ | If I can get them working right, Ill make a .deb to install them. Maybe even rename it to say "Create Breathe icon template" | 18:30 |
| thorwil | you're a brave infrastructure warrior :) | 18:30 |
| _MMA_ | I'm good at it. Others are better at the actual art. :) | 18:31 |
| _MMA_ | thorwil: Oh wait. I want to get it to show up in File->New. I'm gonna try to email this guy. | 18:33 |
| kwwii | one thing before I run out to band practice...if we need anything from inkscape just let me know, two of the main guys work for canonical :-) | 18:33 |
| _MMA_ | Yeah! But they have been no help! :P | 18:34 |
| thorwil | bryce i know | 18:34 |
| thorwil | ted gould? | 18:35 |
| _MMA_ | yes | 18:36 |
| thorwil | it's amazing how the project went after splitting from sodipodi | 18:36 |
| kwwii | both ted and bryce work for canonical | 18:36 |
| kwwii | you might want to check out ted's bzr inkscape stuff, it is pretty cool | 18:37 |
| kwwii | anyway, I am off | 18:37 |
| thorwil | kwwii: have fun! | 18:37 |
| _MMA_ | Oh killer. To add a new template its just a .SVG in /usr/share/inkscape/templates. | 18:38 |
| _MMA_ | Or ~/.inkscape/templates | 18:39 |
| kwwii | re | 21:37 |
| kwwii | well, time for sleep | 21:55 |
| ambrin | hi | 22:30 |
| ambrin | i am new here -- signed up for the mailing list | 22:31 |
| ambrin | haven't had a chance to read it yet -- but just wanted to say "hello" :) | 22:31 |
| Domestiqules | hey all | 23:09 |
| Domestiqules | im new to the team can anyone help me? | 23:09 |
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