[12:32] <thorwil> hello!
[12:34] <thorwil> _MMA_: in every single project naming effort i observed, there have been some people who don't understand the meaning of a made decision :)
[12:34]  * _MMA_ hasn't read his email yet. (about to)
[12:40] <_MMA_> thorwil: I was expecting some mass of people already complaining about the name. Just 1 more post about someone thing "breathe" was gross. I agree with the reply. :)
[12:40] <thorwil> yes, it's a mild case, so long
[12:41] <thorwil> ugh. not a good use of the title font. http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/qapkgstatus/compiz
[12:43]  * _MMA_ looks.
[12:45]  * thorwil considers a "never use the ubuntu title/titling font, except if you create a label that directly combines ubuntu with another word" rule
[12:46] <_MMA_> :)
[12:47] <thorwil> just yesterday i was tempted to create matching number for 8.10, though. decided against as i would need the entire set 0 - 9
[12:48] <_MMA_> thorwil: So, I'm gonna wait a bit before the email to the list goes out but https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet if you want to tinker. I'll be working on it in a bit. (gotta get the kids off to school 1st)
[12:49] <thorwil> good!
[13:09] <_MMA_> kwwii: Ill be working on the structure of the set today. Would you send me a folder structure of what you think we would need? Or, do you want me to do one and you'll make any additions?
[13:12]  * thorwil hopes his attempt to stop cross-posting will work
[13:19] <Cimi> kwwii: you may be interested in see these examples: http://www.cimitan.com/blog/2008/09/04/three-new-smooth-themes-for-murrine-chrome-cream-candido/
[13:28] <kwwii> _MMA_: I think that if you look at the tango theme you'll get a good idea of how the directory stucture should be
[13:29] <kwwii> Cimi: what does this new contrast function do?
[13:46] <_MMA_> kwwii: For instance, we *won't* have scalable because some things do not render. Right? So what larger sizes above 48px do we use? Current Oxygen sets packaged for GNOME use 64,72,96,128 as well.
[13:46] <_MMA_> I'd like to *not* use those sizes is Im mistaken about the ﻿scalable issue. (clipping paths and what not)
[13:47] <kwwii> _MMA_: we still need to have scalable, even if only the large sizes are rendered from it, and if the icon does not render right we still need them there as a soure
[13:48] <kwwii> I would include those dirs but only put icons in them that do not render correctly
[13:49] <_MMA_> Oh wait. WTF am I talking about. Any ones that don't render right we just replace. Duh. I'll go with a standard structure.
[14:20] <_MMA_> kwwii: Should we render 48px png and use ﻿svg for anything above?
[14:21] <kwwii> _MMA_: yes, as much as possible
[14:21] <kwwii> except the ones which do not render right
[14:21] <_MMA_> k
[14:21] <kwwii> almost all render ok in the meantime
[14:21] <kwwii> in gnome that is, in kde4 there are still problems with the renderer
[14:21] <_MMA_> And any of those I say we replace.
[14:22] <kwwii> right
[14:22] <kwwii> sounds like a good idea as long as there is a good replacement
[14:22] <kwwii> btw, we should include the scripts to render and rename things
[14:22] <kwwii> I am in a metting atm, let me finish and we can discuss this more
[14:23] <_MMA_> k
[14:30] <Cimi> kwwii: works just better than the previous
[14:57] <_MMA_> kwwii: When you're ready: Should we include 8&12px folders because Human does for the GTK close buttons or should we just start anew based on Tango? Add new as needed.
[15:07] <_MMA_> brb
[15:45] <kwwii> _MMA_: re
[15:45] <_MMA_> yo
[15:45] <kwwii> we can include those folders if we feel as if we are really going to change them
[15:46] <kwwii> I was thinking about the scalable stuff
[15:46] <_MMA_> Ok. We can add them as needed then.
[15:46] <kwwii> and in oxygen we have extra dirs in each scalable dir for svgs of different sizes
[15:47] <_MMA_> SO they would then overide the .png of the same size?
[15:48] <kwwii> from those svgs you will render the png of that size
[15:48] <kwwii> so you do not need it in the final theme
[15:49] <_MMA_> I don't think we'll need all that. In "trunk" everything will be .svg. Then the script will render the pngs for 48px down.
[15:49] <kwwii> cool, so we will only need that structure in launchpad
[15:50] <_MMA_> Yep.
[15:51] <_MMA_> Damn. Im gonna have to make subpages for the "Icon" section on the wiki. Otherwise, even though they will be small images, there will be alot of them.
[15:51] <kwwii> ted just said something really funny...
[15:51] <kwwii> I said that artists are under-valued
[15:52] <kwwii> and he responded "yeah, but just like strippers they play and important part in our society"
[15:52] <_MMA_> heheheheh
[16:04]  * kwwii heads out to get dinner before my conf call in an hour
[16:14] <_MMA_> kwwii: Beginnings of a dir structure pushed to trunk along with a index.theme file.
[16:14] <kwwii> _MMA_: cool, I will check it out in a bit and have a look
[16:15] <_MMA_> np
[17:07] <thorwil> hmm. i think jimmac used pixel-editing a lot. no idea if he still does
[17:08] <thorwil> _MMA_: i guess the if, when and how of outlines require experimentation
[17:08] <thorwil> _MMA_, kwwii: what do you think of the icon sheet approach?
[17:10] <thorwil> http://jimmac.musichall.cz/log/?p=436
[17:22] <_MMA_> thorwil: This is *the* way we should do our set. We need a base .svg and the script he uses.
[17:27] <_MMA_> I wonder how cool jimmac would be with that if I asked him for it.
[17:31] <thorwil> i bet he'd be cool about it
[17:31] <thorwil> _MMA_: of course, being from ubuntu, we _need_ to use python, not some bloody ruby ;)
[17:38]  * thorwil -> dinner
[17:40] <_MMA_> thorwil: Yeah. I don't think it would be hard to convert it.
[17:40] <_MMA_> I'm gonna email him.
[17:51] <_MMA_> Done.
[17:52] <_MMA_> thorwil: Damn. I shoulda read the comments: http://pastebin.ca/1071599.
[17:56] <_MMA_> And a python implementation: http://pastebin.ca/1071649 :P
[18:10] <_MMA_> ﻿What would the "global extensions dir" for Inkscape be? "/usr/share/inkscape/extensions"?
[18:15] <thorwil> that would make sense
[18:16] <_MMA_> Hmm.. Im trying to install the scripts there (on the blog) for Inkscape. Nothing.
[18:17] <thorwil> #inkscape is near
[18:17] <_MMA_> I asked. Again, nothing.
[18:23] <_MMA_> thorwil: Here's that web page he was using: http://users.freedesktop.org/~jimmac/icons
[18:24] <thorwil> freakin cool, except for the issue with line-wraps
[18:25] <thorwil> now imagine that with bg colour switching ;)
[18:25] <_MMA_> :)
[18:26] <_MMA_> See if you can get these plugins to work: http://jimmac.musichall.cz/log/?p=436 From the "Aaron Spike" guy. He has 2 in a row.
[18:26] <thorwil> _MMA_: which reminds me that our icon sheets could be prepared with switchable backgrounds
[18:27] <_MMA_> Sure. Im wide open to ideas.
[18:28] <thorwil> _MMA_: i havn't looked at ken's ppa. maybe colours could be sampled from there, for a start?
[18:28] <thorwil> http://www.ekips.org/comp/inkscape/inx/icon_workflow-plates_visibility.tar.gz?
[18:28] <_MMA_> k. I was gonna chat about that when he returns.
[18:28] <_MMA_> Yeah. Those.
[18:30] <_MMA_> If I can get them working right, Ill make a .deb to install them. Maybe even rename it to say "Create Breathe icon template"
[18:30] <thorwil> you're a brave infrastructure warrior :)
[18:31] <_MMA_> I'm good at it. Others are better at the actual art. :)
[18:33] <_MMA_> thorwil: Oh wait. I want to get it to show up in File->New. I'm gonna try to email this guy.
[18:33] <kwwii> one thing before I run out to band practice...if we need anything from inkscape just let me know, two of the main guys work for canonical :-)
[18:34] <_MMA_> Yeah! But they have been no help! :P
[18:34] <thorwil> bryce i know
[18:35] <thorwil> ted gould?
[18:36] <_MMA_> yes
[18:36] <thorwil> it's amazing how the project went after splitting from sodipodi
[18:36] <kwwii> both ted and bryce work for canonical
[18:37] <kwwii> you might want to check out ted's bzr inkscape stuff, it is pretty cool
[18:37] <kwwii> anyway, I am off
[18:37] <thorwil> kwwii: have fun!
[18:38] <_MMA_> Oh killer. To add a new template its just a .SVG in /usr/share/inkscape/templates.
[18:39] <_MMA_> Or ~/.inkscape/templates
[21:37] <kwwii> re
[21:55] <kwwii> well, time for sleep
[22:30] <ambrin> hi
[22:31] <ambrin> i am new here -- signed up for the mailing list
[22:31] <ambrin> haven't had a chance to read it yet -- but just wanted to say "hello" :)
[23:09] <Domestiqules> hey all
[23:09] <Domestiqules> im new to the team can anyone help me?