=== _MMA1 is now known as _MMA_ === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG === FlannelK1ng is now known as Flannel [12:32] hello! [12:34] _MMA_: in every single project naming effort i observed, there have been some people who don't understand the meaning of a made decision :) [12:34] * _MMA_ hasn't read his email yet. (about to) [12:40] <_MMA_> thorwil: I was expecting some mass of people already complaining about the name. Just 1 more post about someone thing "breathe" was gross. I agree with the reply. :) [12:40] yes, it's a mild case, so long [12:41] ugh. not a good use of the title font. http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/qapkgstatus/compiz [12:43] * _MMA_ looks. [12:45] * thorwil considers a "never use the ubuntu title/titling font, except if you create a label that directly combines ubuntu with another word" rule [12:46] <_MMA_> :) [12:47] just yesterday i was tempted to create matching number for 8.10, though. decided against as i would need the entire set 0 - 9 [12:48] <_MMA_> thorwil: So, I'm gonna wait a bit before the email to the list goes out but https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet if you want to tinker. I'll be working on it in a bit. (gotta get the kids off to school 1st) [12:49] good! [13:09] <_MMA_> kwwii: Ill be working on the structure of the set today. Would you send me a folder structure of what you think we would need? Or, do you want me to do one and you'll make any additions? [13:12] * thorwil hopes his attempt to stop cross-posting will work [13:19] kwwii: you may be interested in see these examples: http://www.cimitan.com/blog/2008/09/04/three-new-smooth-themes-for-murrine-chrome-cream-candido/ [13:28] _MMA_: I think that if you look at the tango theme you'll get a good idea of how the directory stucture should be [13:29] Cimi: what does this new contrast function do? [13:46] <_MMA_> kwwii: For instance, we *won't* have scalable because some things do not render. Right? So what larger sizes above 48px do we use? Current Oxygen sets packaged for GNOME use 64,72,96,128 as well. [13:46] <_MMA_> I'd like to *not* use those sizes is Im mistaken about the scalable issue. (clipping paths and what not) [13:47] _MMA_: we still need to have scalable, even if only the large sizes are rendered from it, and if the icon does not render right we still need them there as a soure [13:48] I would include those dirs but only put icons in them that do not render correctly [13:49] <_MMA_> Oh wait. WTF am I talking about. Any ones that don't render right we just replace. Duh. I'll go with a standard structure. [14:20] <_MMA_> kwwii: Should we render 48px png and use svg for anything above? [14:21] _MMA_: yes, as much as possible [14:21] except the ones which do not render right [14:21] <_MMA_> k [14:21] almost all render ok in the meantime [14:21] in gnome that is, in kde4 there are still problems with the renderer [14:21] <_MMA_> And any of those I say we replace. [14:22] right [14:22] sounds like a good idea as long as there is a good replacement [14:22] btw, we should include the scripts to render and rename things [14:22] I am in a metting atm, let me finish and we can discuss this more [14:23] <_MMA_> k [14:30] kwwii: works just better than the previous [14:57] <_MMA_> kwwii: When you're ready: Should we include 8&12px folders because Human does for the GTK close buttons or should we just start anew based on Tango? Add new as needed. [15:07] <_MMA_> brb [15:45] _MMA_: re [15:45] <_MMA_> yo [15:45] we can include those folders if we feel as if we are really going to change them [15:46] I was thinking about the scalable stuff [15:46] <_MMA_> Ok. We can add them as needed then. [15:46] and in oxygen we have extra dirs in each scalable dir for svgs of different sizes [15:47] <_MMA_> SO they would then overide the .png of the same size? [15:48] from those svgs you will render the png of that size [15:48] so you do not need it in the final theme [15:49] <_MMA_> I don't think we'll need all that. In "trunk" everything will be .svg. Then the script will render the pngs for 48px down. [15:49] cool, so we will only need that structure in launchpad [15:50] <_MMA_> Yep. [15:51] <_MMA_> Damn. Im gonna have to make subpages for the "Icon" section on the wiki. Otherwise, even though they will be small images, there will be alot of them. [15:51] ted just said something really funny... [15:51] I said that artists are under-valued [15:52] and he responded "yeah, but just like strippers they play and important part in our society" [15:52] <_MMA_> heheheheh [16:04] * kwwii heads out to get dinner before my conf call in an hour [16:14] <_MMA_> kwwii: Beginnings of a dir structure pushed to trunk along with a index.theme file. [16:14] _MMA_: cool, I will check it out in a bit and have a look [16:15] <_MMA_> np [17:07] hmm. i think jimmac used pixel-editing a lot. no idea if he still does [17:08] _MMA_: i guess the if, when and how of outlines require experimentation [17:08] _MMA_, kwwii: what do you think of the icon sheet approach? [17:10] http://jimmac.musichall.cz/log/?p=436 [17:22] <_MMA_> thorwil: This is *the* way we should do our set. We need a base .svg and the script he uses. [17:27] <_MMA_> I wonder how cool jimmac would be with that if I asked him for it. [17:31] i bet he'd be cool about it [17:31] _MMA_: of course, being from ubuntu, we _need_ to use python, not some bloody ruby ;) [17:38] * thorwil -> dinner [17:40] <_MMA_> thorwil: Yeah. I don't think it would be hard to convert it. [17:40] <_MMA_> I'm gonna email him. [17:51] <_MMA_> Done. [17:52] <_MMA_> thorwil: Damn. I shoulda read the comments: http://pastebin.ca/1071599. [17:56] <_MMA_> And a python implementation: http://pastebin.ca/1071649 :P [18:10] <_MMA_> What would the "global extensions dir" for Inkscape be? "/usr/share/inkscape/extensions"? [18:15] that would make sense [18:16] <_MMA_> Hmm.. Im trying to install the scripts there (on the blog) for Inkscape. Nothing. [18:17] #inkscape is near [18:17] <_MMA_> I asked. Again, nothing. [18:23] <_MMA_> thorwil: Here's that web page he was using: http://users.freedesktop.org/~jimmac/icons [18:24] freakin cool, except for the issue with line-wraps [18:25] now imagine that with bg colour switching ;) [18:25] <_MMA_> :) [18:26] <_MMA_> See if you can get these plugins to work: http://jimmac.musichall.cz/log/?p=436 From the "Aaron Spike" guy. He has 2 in a row. [18:26] _MMA_: which reminds me that our icon sheets could be prepared with switchable backgrounds [18:27] <_MMA_> Sure. Im wide open to ideas. [18:28] _MMA_: i havn't looked at ken's ppa. maybe colours could be sampled from there, for a start? [18:28] http://www.ekips.org/comp/inkscape/inx/icon_workflow-plates_visibility.tar.gz? [18:28] <_MMA_> k. I was gonna chat about that when he returns. [18:28] <_MMA_> Yeah. Those. [18:30] <_MMA_> If I can get them working right, Ill make a .deb to install them. Maybe even rename it to say "Create Breathe icon template" [18:30] you're a brave infrastructure warrior :) [18:31] <_MMA_> I'm good at it. Others are better at the actual art. :) [18:33] <_MMA_> thorwil: Oh wait. I want to get it to show up in File->New. I'm gonna try to email this guy. [18:33] one thing before I run out to band practice...if we need anything from inkscape just let me know, two of the main guys work for canonical :-) [18:34] <_MMA_> Yeah! But they have been no help! :P [18:34] bryce i know [18:35] ted gould? [18:36] <_MMA_> yes [18:36] it's amazing how the project went after splitting from sodipodi [18:36] both ted and bryce work for canonical [18:37] you might want to check out ted's bzr inkscape stuff, it is pretty cool [18:37] anyway, I am off [18:37] kwwii: have fun! [18:38] <_MMA_> Oh killer. To add a new template its just a .SVG in /usr/share/inkscape/templates. [18:39] <_MMA_> Or ~/.inkscape/templates [21:37] re [21:55] well, time for sleep [22:30] hi [22:31] i am new here -- signed up for the mailing list [22:31] haven't had a chance to read it yet -- but just wanted to say "hello" :) [23:09] hey all [23:09] im new to the team can anyone help me?