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| lool | Hey Chris | 12:56 |
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| cgregan | lool: Hello | 12:56 |
| davidm | Hi cgregan lool | 12:57 |
| * cgregan waves | 12:57 | |
| * ogra waves | 13:00 | |
| davidm | #startmeeting | 13:00 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 07:00. The chair is davidm. | 13:00 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 13:00 |
| davidm | Ha mootbot is alive | 13:00 |
| davidm | :-) | 13:00 |
| ogra | yeah, since last night :) | 13:00 |
| davidm | OK, from the top, I'm going to carry over the Ekaga testing, lool and I have not gotten to it yet, lool should I carry that for 1 or 2 weeks? | 13:01 |
| lool | davidm: Please carry over; I wanted to play with the webcam this week, but only had time to test whether ekiga and cheese would recognize it | 13:02 |
| lool | (cheese doesn't, I need to prepare the new upstream and ekiga does) | 13:02 |
| davidm | OK, | 13:02 |
| lool | I've searched for free SIP providers supporting video in vain | 13:02 |
| lool | pointers welcome | 13:02 |
| davidm | [topic]lool+davidm+... test new version of Ekiga (2.9) | 13:02 |
| MootBot | New Topic: lool+davidm+... test new version of Ekiga (2.9) | 13:02 |
| lool | I opened free accounts to 3 sip providers | 13:03 |
| davidm | [action] lool+davidm+... test new version of Ekiga (2.9) (carryover) | 13:03 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: lool+davidm+... test new version of Ekiga (2.9) (carryover) | 13:03 |
| davidm | [topic] lool to review modest and libwpeditor+ after he has time to address some of its issues. | 13:03 |
| MootBot | New Topic: lool to review modest and libwpeditor+ after he has time to address some of its issues. | 13:03 |
| persia | lool: http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Asterisk+video might be helpful if you can't find a proper provider. | 13:03 |
| lool | I didn't have time to work on this; I thought I should prefer working on features which missed FF than bug fixes | 13:03 |
| davidm | lool, agree | 13:04 |
| lool | persia: I remembered visiting that page | 13:04 |
| lool | *remember | 13:04 |
| lool | davidm: This impacts discussion on modest later in this meeting I'm afraid | 13:04 |
| davidm | lool, I'm not going to carry this over, it's on your list | 13:04 |
| lool | persia: Actually this page is on clients; there's another page on providers | 13:05 |
| persia | lool: We can discuss after the meeting: it's about being one's own provider. | 13:05 |
| lool | persia: But I browsed to a couple websites, and the list was basically quite unusable; most web sites suggested to write to this or that email address for pricing... | 13:05 |
| davidm | [topic] all add spec ideas for intrepid+1 at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/IntrepidPlusOneSpecSuggestions | 13:05 |
| MootBot | New Topic: all add spec ideas for intrepid+1 at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/IntrepidPlusOneSpecSuggestions | 13:05 |
| lool | persia: No way I'm spending the time to setup asterisk just for this | 13:05 |
| persia | heh | 13:05 |
| davidm | [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/IntrepidPlusOneSpecSuggestions | 13:05 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/IntrepidPlusOneSpecSuggestions | 13:05 |
| davidm | This is just to remind folks to please add Spec suggestions, UDS is getting closer | 13:06 |
| lool | persia: Didyou add the last entry on that page? | 13:06 |
| lool | persia: Could you add your name to it? | 13:06 |
| persia | It appears I did. Adding now. | 13:06 |
| lool | davidm: Thanks for the reminder | 13:07 |
| davidm | [topic]current status | 13:08 |
| MootBot | New Topic: current status | 13:08 |
| davidm | cgregan, status? | 13:08 |
| cgregan | sure | 13:08 |
| lool | cgregan: Welcome to the team! | 13:08 |
| cgregan | Thanks! | 13:09 |
| cgregan | Currently working on several projects for Solutions Group. As well as taking a look at modest | 13:09 |
| cgregan | and comparing to claws | 13:09 |
| cgregan | and TB | 13:09 |
| cgregan | Beginning cases for the Intrepid cycle | 13:10 |
| cgregan | All in all pretty busy.... | 13:10 |
| cgregan | Oh | 13:10 |
| cgregan | and buying a house...moving to Boston | 13:10 |
| ogra | yay | 13:10 |
| cgregan | :-) | 13:10 |
| ogra | congrats | 13:10 |
| cgregan | thanks | 13:11 |
| cgregan | That's it for me | 13:11 |
| davidm | StevenK, status? | 13:12 |
| StevenK | davidm: Been working on the home screen for the last two days | 13:13 |
| StevenK | davidm: Trying to get something sorted out that is better than the current m-b-f | 13:13 |
| StevenK | That should be sorted out tomorrow and I'll be testing ogra's script against the images | 13:13 |
| StevenK | Also need to fix old image deletion on antimony | 13:13 |
| StevenK | I think that's everything | 13:14 |
| davidm | Is the problem with our images sorted? | 13:14 |
| persia | No, but amitk has a lead, and it ought be good soon. | 13:14 |
| lool | davidm: Not really, it's a kernel bug which is being chased by amitk, pete and others | 13:14 |
| lool | It's an aufs bug when you change a while which has been removed AIUI | 13:15 |
| persia | It's bug #264048 | 13:15 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 264048 in linux-lpia "aufs hangs on rename() in MID live images" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/264048 | 13:15 |
| davidm | OK, thanks | 13:15 |
| davidm | persia, status? | 13:15 |
| lool | ogra: Hmm should also affect linux, forgot to do that | 13:15 |
| * lool | 13:15 | |
| lool | ogra: I mean *I* forgot to do that, not you | 13:15 |
| persia | I found lots of interesting ways to break the images, and even broke some customised images. | 13:16 |
| ogra | :) | 13:16 |
| persia | That said, I've been fiddling with developing the preseed file we want on the intrepid i386 liveCD, so we have something to drop when we have good images again. | 13:16 |
| lool | persia: Is the ubiquity xorg crash solved? | 13:16 |
| persia | There's also a couple arch-specific installer bugs that I need to sort out. | 13:16 |
| persia | lool: No. I still can't strace that. On the other hand, I can only reproduce it on frankenimages, so I'm not sure it's not an environmental issue. | 13:17 |
| lool | persia: What remains to be done when the kernel bug is fixed? | 13:18 |
| persia | lool: Drop of the preseed file into our images, and address the two or three arch-specific bugs. Biggest one is that the partition types for lpia aren't registered. | 13:18 |
| persia | That assumes that the clean images won't have any environmental bugs for running ubiquity, but I'm hoping I can't reproduce my crash (because it doesn't crash like that with the lpia images and ubiquity) | 13:19 |
| lool | So it will need an ubiquity upload, an ubuntu-mid-default-settings upload and a partman upload or? | 13:20 |
| persia | Shouldn't need any changes in ubiquity. We'll need to tweak the script that runs between livecd.sh and having images. | 13:21 |
| lool | (Where I'm going here is: what are the packages from the main distro which will need an exception) | 13:21 |
| persia | Probably partman, but I haven't looked into that one very deeply. | 13:21 |
| persia | I think only the partitioner. | 13:21 |
| lool | Ok; if you have preliminary patches, I think you can already open FFE bugs if they are warranted with your current diff | 13:22 |
| lool | Please sub me on these | 13:22 |
| StevenK | persia: What changes need to be made to the script that constructs the image? | 13:22 |
| persia | StevenK: We'll need to add the preseed file to the CD to instruct ubiquity what not to do. | 13:22 |
| persia | s/CD/image | 13:23 |
| StevenK | persia: Sure. | 13:23 |
| StevenK | persia: That can be arranged. | 13:23 |
| persia | StevenK: I thought so :) | 13:23 |
| StevenK | For suitable amounts of chocolate. | 13:23 |
| * StevenK looks at Hobbsee. | 13:24 | |
| davidm | are we good to continue? | 13:24 |
| persia | lool: Do you think the possible FFe issues are more important to hit than the ubiquity configuration? I can work against the alternate CD now and hit those separately: it's an independent track. | 13:24 |
| lool | persia: What I want is anything preventing actual upload when upload is ready to be started at the earliest | 13:24 |
| persia | lool: OK. | 13:25 |
| lool | amitk: We just discussed installer status | 13:25 |
| lool | amitk: It's mostly blocked on the kernel aufs bug | 13:25 |
| Hobbsee | hmmm? | 13:25 |
| lool | amitk: Could you give a quick status of the intrepid aufs plan with the new upstream and all? | 13:25 |
| davidm | amitk, can you give us the status of the kernel aufs bug? | 13:25 |
| ogra | looks solved | 13:26 |
| lool | amitk: You know, with your kernel happy hat | 13:26 |
| amitk | aufs (the version we have in intrepid) has a deadlock bug on renames | 13:26 |
| amitk | this is already solved upstream and the current plan is to just update our aufs code with the latest from upstream | 13:27 |
| lool | amitk: We're currently tracking 2.6.26 in linux-lpia, it looks like we will want to move to .27 | 13:27 |
| amitk | ofcourse this will require proper testing to make sure we don't break livecds | 13:28 |
| lool | amitk: Do you think a fixed linux-lpia could be uploaded on Friday? | 13:28 |
| lool | (tomorrow) | 13:28 |
| lool | amitk: You can upload linux-lpia straight away if you like, it's too broken for us to do much out of it anyway | 13:28 |
| persia | amitk: lpia livecds are currently broken: don't worry too much about breaking them if it puts you in a better position to fix them later. | 13:28 |
| amitk | I am currently working on rebasing the linux-lpia tree for intrepid onto 2.6.27 and bringing it in sync with the main kernel tree | 13:28 |
| lool | Cool; do you have an ETA for an upload? | 13:29 |
| amitk | persia: I am not worried about lpia in the least. I am worries about breaking i386/amd64 cds due to the aufs upgrade :) | 13:29 |
| persia | OK :) | 13:29 |
| lool | amitk: (I'm happy to sponsor you BTW) | 13:29 |
| ogra | amitk, pfft, CDs are so last year ... they should switch to USB too | 13:30 |
| amitk | lool: I am working as fast as I can. I will have an estimate for you later today. 2.6.26->2.6.27 is a big change and all lpia patches might not apply right away | 13:30 |
| davidm | amitk, thanks for update | 13:31 |
| lool | amitk: Ack; I also expected you might be working on other tasks too | 13:31 |
| lool | s/be working on/be busy with non-lpia | 13:31 |
| davidm | persia, had you finished with your status? | 13:31 |
| persia | Yes :) | 13:31 |
| amitk | lool: yeah... re-inheritance of the lpia tree intrerupted my work schedule a bit. But I hope to have it all sorted soon | 13:31 |
| davidm | amitk, thanks for picking it up again, it's critical for us. | 13:32 |
| davidm | lool, status? | 13:32 |
| lool | Status is working on many FF tasks which we missed | 13:32 |
| lool | Things I really want to push soon are elisa 0.5.x packages, cheese 2.23/2.24 packages | 13:33 |
| lool | I need to continue work on modest | 13:33 |
| lool | Finishing the xulrunner bits and the mbf move to xul 1.9 is also high on my list | 13:33 |
| lool | apart of that, continue helping around and tracking image and installer status | 13:34 |
| lool | It looks like I will have some internal and hardy/intel work this week as well | 13:34 |
| lool | That's about all I want to report | 13:34 |
| davidm | lool, thanks | 13:34 |
| lool | Oh and I spent too much time on awkful desktop upload this week | 13:34 |
| davidm | ogra, status? | 13:35 |
| ogra | * wrote https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Mobile/HowTo/ImageModification (which nicely gave a good pointer to solutions for the aufs bug :) ) | 13:35 |
| ogra | * cmpc packages (cheese/gstreamer) for bug #258110 fixed, tested and uploaded to hardy-proposed (sitting in SRU process now) | 13:35 |
| ogra | * netbook apps are sitting in NEW modulo launcher, bug #263493 should be closed tomorrow if the launcher was uploaded with new name | 13:35 |
| ogra | * lagging on bug #261873, will try to attack that on the weekend, though there are working .fdi files attached to make i.e. the Q1 work | 13:35 |
| ogra | * lagging on testing of alternative IM clients (even though empathy is good imho i havent tested it enough yet, especially wrt hildon) | 13:35 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 258110 in cmpc "Camera application cannot record video" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/258110 | 13:35 |
| ogra | * bought a new car and claimed my driver license back (lost that 2 years ago and didnt feel the need to get it back until now) :) | 13:35 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 263493 in ubuntu "Please package applications from netbook-remix" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/263493 | 13:35 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 261873 in xf86-input-evtouch "make evtouch devices work with hal-input in intrepid" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/261873 | 13:35 |
| ogra | thats all :) | 13:36 |
| cgregan | only? ;-) | 13:36 |
| cgregan | :-) | 13:36 |
| lool | ogra: Done for cmpc now? | 13:36 |
| davidm | ogra, once the packages are uploaded cmpc is complete? | 13:36 |
| ogra | oh, and thanks a lot for testing the script from the howto to everyone | 13:36 |
| ogra | davidm, lool once packages are moved to hardy-updates and i did a final image it will be done | 13:37 |
| lool | Good to read | 13:37 |
| ogra | they are stuck in the hardy SRU process now | 13:37 |
| lool | ogra: Any other planned maintenance? | 13:37 |
| davidm | OK, the next topic is not complete but I'll list it anyway | 13:37 |
| ogra | only if we get kernel updates after that | 13:38 |
| lool | ogra: I understand you might need to reroll images with security / stable updates from time to time? | 13:38 |
| lool | Ok; only kernel | 13:38 |
| ogra | until 8.04.2 where the kernel will have the patches included | 13:38 |
| ogra | right | 13:38 |
| lool | davidm: [topic] choice of mail client modest versus thunderbird | 13:38 |
| davidm | [topic] Switch claws with modest libwpeditor/libwpeditor-plus? | 13:38 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Switch claws with modest libwpeditor/libwpeditor-plus? | 13:38 |
| lool | Hmm too late | 13:38 |
| davidm | which really should be what you said | 13:39 |
| lool | davidm: So it should really be moving from claws to modest or to thunderbird | 13:39 |
| davidm | nothing on this so new topic | 13:39 |
| lool | As I reported earlier, no progress on fixing the annoying modest issues; cgregan reported he wants to test modest | 13:39 |
| ogra | someone should test TB on 800x480 though | 13:39 |
| davidm | [topic] choice of mail client modest versus thunderbird | 13:39 |
| MootBot | New Topic: choice of mail client modest versus thunderbird | 13:39 |
| lool | I think cgregan now has target images which at least give an idea of screen size and have hildonized bits in them | 13:39 |
| persia | So, who's tried either of them on the daily images? | 13:39 |
| ogra | i tested it on 1024x600 where it works fine ... but i dont know if anyone tried on the small res. | 13:39 |
| cgregan | lool: I do | 13:40 |
| lool | ogra: Thanks for testing | 13:40 |
| lool | I think we have still too little testing data and too many modest bugs to take a decision, so let's keep carrying this over as a reminder that we should do more testing and that I should fix modest | 13:41 |
| davidm | cgregan, any chance you can have a look at TB (on a small screen) and let us know how it looks? | 13:41 |
| cgregan | davidm: How small? | 13:41 |
| davidm | 800x480 if possible? | 13:41 |
| lool | cgregan: Target are MID sizes, lowest being 800x480 or so | 13:42 |
| cgregan | davidm: Hmm....I can see if the Jax will take the current image | 13:42 |
| davidm | cgregan, thanks | 13:42 |
| cgregan | np | 13:42 |
| davidm | [action] cgregan will try to test ThunderBird on 800x480 screen size and report findings. | 13:43 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: cgregan will try to test ThunderBird on 800x480 screen size and report findings. | 13:43 |
| davidm | [action] choice of mail client modest versus thunderbird (carried over) | 13:43 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: choice of mail client modest versus thunderbird (carried over) | 13:43 |
| davidm | [topic] Touchscreen issues (StevenK) | 13:44 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Touchscreen issues (StevenK) | 13:44 |
| lool | ogra was looking into evtouch stuff, notably calibration | 13:44 |
| lool | StevenK: You meant to discuss the evtouch/q1u touchscreen? | 13:44 |
| ogra | well, enablement actually for now | 13:44 |
| ogra | calibration is the second step ... | 13:44 |
| ogra | ut as i said above, the bug has a .fdi file attached that makes it work fine on the Q1 | 13:45 |
| StevenK | I meant to kick ogra into fixing it | 13:45 |
| StevenK | :-) | 13:45 |
| ogra | just copy that to /etc/hal/fdi/policy/10-touchscreen or some similar name | 13:45 |
| ogra | it will work | 13:45 |
| ogra | i'm looking for something saner for calibration though that doesnt hardcode the values in the .fdi | 13:46 |
| lool | Ok | 13:46 |
| ogra | but as a quicfix the .fdi will do | 13:46 |
| lool | ogra: You continue to chase this support? | 13:46 |
| ogra | yes | 13:46 |
| lool | Cool | 13:46 |
| ogra | its a personal quest :) | 13:46 |
| ogra | if you run into touchscreens anywhere, please send xorg.conf from hardy and lshal to me ot attach to the bug | 13:47 |
| davidm | [action] ogra to continue to chase support of Q1 touchscreen | 13:47 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: ogra to continue to chase support of Q1 touchscreen | 13:47 |
| davidm | [topic] Instant messaging client | 13:47 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Instant messaging client | 13:47 |
| * ogra sighs ... | 13:47 | |
| lool | Ogra reported on this earlier | 13:48 |
| * ogra hasn used any IM for years ... its hard for me to judge that at all beyond things like usability | 13:48 | |
| lool | StevenK: Wanted to ask ogra for testing status or had more comments to make? | 13:48 |
| lool | ogra: You're using IM right now! :) | 13:48 |
| ogra | no i use an IRC client for IRC :) | 13:48 |
| persia | IRC is not the standard IM paradigm. | 13:48 |
| ogra | IRC predates any IM :) | 13:49 |
| persia | No. There was talk before there was IRC. | 13:49 |
| ogra | but wasnt called IM | 13:49 |
| * persia quibbles and subsiders | 13:49 | |
| persia | s/r/ | 13:49 |
| lool | Ok, I was just kidding and didn't want to bring us back to memories of stone age | 13:49 |
| lool | StevenK: Anything you wanted to add on choice of IM? | 13:50 |
| * cgregan send lool a message by smoke signal | 13:50 | |
| * ogra beats the drums ... DO YOU HEAR ME IN .FR ? | 13:50 | |
| StevenK | lool: Anything but pidgin-maemo | 13:50 |
| * lool opens the window and moves the semaphore and confirms with a pidgeon | 13:50 | |
| ogra | lol | 13:50 |
| lool | err pigeon | 13:50 |
| davidm | 10 minute warning | 13:50 |
| persia | Right. Next topic? | 13:51 |
| lool | persia: What next topic? | 13:51 |
| davidm | yes, but we are out of topics | 13:51 |
| persia | OK. Anyone have any last minute topics they want to mention? | 13:51 |
| davidm | So the floor is open | 13:51 |
| * lool falls in the cracks of the open floor | 13:51 | |
| persia | I'd like people to write questions in the wiki FAQ sections. I'll answer them, but I suspect I'll be out of questions to ask my Saturday or so, and suspect there are more that couple be answered. | 13:52 |
| * davidm pulls lool out of the crack in the open floor ;-) | 13:52 | |
| * Hobbsee seals the floor | 13:52 | |
| ogra | phew | 13:52 |
| Hobbsee | silly lool. | 13:52 |
| * lool can't walk with his broken leg | 13:52 | |
| * ogra feels safe again | 13:52 | |
| persia | Excellent. lool will now be stuck in front of the computer :) | 13:52 |
| lool | Ok; thanks everybody for attending! | 13:52 |
| * Hobbsee makes the roof fall in on ogra | 13:52 | |
| ogra | eeek | 13:53 |
| * ogra covers under the meeting desk | 13:53 | |
| davidm | OK if there is nothing else I'll close the meeting early | 13:53 |
| lool | davidm: thanks for chairing | 13:53 |
| * Hobbsee sets the desks on fire | 13:53 | |
| ogra | enough ! | 13:53 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 13:53 |
| ogra | :) | 13:53 |
| * persia gives Hobbsee a stick and a sheet of instructions ... | 13:53 | |
| davidm | #endmeeting | 13:54 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 07:54. | 13:54 |
| * cgregan wonders if there is something strange in the air over europe | 13:54 | |
| Hobbsee | persia: is it a pointy stick? | 13:54 |
| zul | cgregan: no its just Hobbsee | 13:54 |
| persia | cgregan: It's not just Europe. | 13:54 |
| davidm | Now the question is, when will the mootbot logs become available | 13:54 |
| persia | Hobbsee: Indeed. The one you appear to have lost. | 13:54 |
| Hobbsee | persia: my Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!™ is unlosable. | 13:54 |
| * mvo looks around | 13:55 | |
| Hobbsee | cgregan: i'm not european :) | 13:55 |
| ogra | davidm, ask Seeker` | 13:55 |
| pitti | hi | 13:55 |
| * cgregan closes window | 13:55 | |
| cgregan | :-) | 13:55 |
| ogra | davidm, he's the one who fixed it :) | 13:55 |
| davidm | ogra, I will, it has been taking 1 -2 weeks | 13:55 |
| davidm | I hope it's sooner then that. | 13:55 |
| Riddell | hi | 13:55 |
| ogra | he said we should ping him more agressively | 13:55 |
| * persia points out that the next meeting is starting, and there is a perfectly good #ubuntu-offtopic channel | 13:55 | |
| ogra | persia, we still have it for four mins :P | 13:56 |
| * persia isn't that greedy | 13:56 | |
| Hobbsee | -offtopic tends to be a madhouse, anyway. | 13:56 |
| seb128 | hi | 13:57 |
| MacSlow | hi seb128, Hobbsee | 13:57 |
| seb128 | hey MacSlow | 13:57 |
| * Hobbsee greets seb128 and MacSlow with the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!™ | 13:57 | |
| mvo | hello! | 13:57 |
| MacSlow | hey mvo | 13:58 |
| mvo | hey MacSlow! | 13:58 |
| siretart | hi mvo, hello pitti! | 13:58 |
| Keybuk | Anyone seen Ken or Ted today? | 13:59 |
| Hobbsee | did you check the basement? | 13:59 |
| MacSlow | nope | 13:59 |
| MacSlow | hi kwwii | 13:59 |
| mpt | Ahoy hoy | 14:00 |
| MacSlow | hey mpt | 14:00 |
| pedro_ | hey hey | 14:00 |
| kwwii | howdy | 14:00 |
| * mvo waves to mpt | 14:00 | |
| Keybuk | ok, let's get started without Ted | 14:00 |
| MacSlow | yo pedro_ | 14:00 |
| Keybuk | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2008-09-04 | 14:00 |
| kwwii | one thing we should add to the list is the human theme bug | 14:00 |
| Keybuk | the only agenda item I saw was from Ted, sadly | 14:00 |
| Keybuk | kwwii: you'd like that to be an agenda item? | 14:00 |
| kwwii | Keybuk: yes, please | 14:00 |
| Keybuk | ok | 14:00 |
| Keybuk | first up, outstanding actions | 14:01 |
| Keybuk | last meeting as a few weeks ago, so hopefully these are all sorted and not forgotten about ;-) | 14:01 |
| Keybuk | * Riddell to follow up on MIR bug for libzip to remind pitti. | 14:01 |
| MacSlow | Keybuk, if you want you can add my "issues" with dbus, ck and XDG_SESSION_COOKIE | 14:01 |
| pitti | I processed almost all MIR bugs yesterday and today (three outstanding only), libzip isn't on the list any more | 14:01 |
| mvo | *cough* sorry, I have only talked informally on irc about the package-failure, not sent a mail it :/ | 14:01 |
| Keybuk | pitti: ok, we'll mark that as resolved then | 14:02 |
| Keybuk | mvo: ok, I'll carry that over to the next meeting then | 14:02 |
| mvo | thanks | 14:02 |
| Keybuk | * seb128 to discuss MIR, seed changes and CD size implications with doko. | 14:02 |
| pitti | Keybuk: it's in main now, but I didn't see any bug followup | 14:03 |
| Keybuk | seb128: ? | 14:04 |
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| Keybuk | I guess seb128 has fallen off the net | 14:05 |
| MacSlow | hey tedg | 14:05 |
| Keybuk | kwwii: Human Theme Bug ? | 14:05 |
| tedg | Hey guys, sorry I'm late. | 14:05 |
| kwwii | well, there is a bug in the human theme, what makes it hard to test is the difference between upgrades and new installs | 14:05 |
| kwwii | so what I would like to know is who can I bother about my packaging skills | 14:06 |
| Keybuk | what's the bug# ? | 14:06 |
| kwwii | I have questions from time to time and I basically need to know who will help me...waiting for someone in chat is crazy and wastes time | 14:06 |
| kwwii | let me find it | 14:06 |
| seb128_ | re | 14:06 |
| seb128_ | my connection to this IRC timeouted apparently | 14:06 |
| kwwii | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/256972 | 14:06 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 256972 in human-theme "original Human theme is broken" [Undecided,New] | 14:06 |
| Keybuk | kwwii: mvo, pitti, any of your team mates, really? | 14:06 |
| kwwii | well, I don't want to start going through a list of people | 14:07 |
| Keybuk | it's a milestoned bug, so it's clearly important for the release | 14:07 |
| kwwii | I can understand that it is annoying when I ask questions again and again and people are busy | 14:07 |
| pitti | kwwii: sending me mail or pinging me on IRC usually works fine | 14:07 |
| Keybuk | (though it needs an Importance) | 14:07 |
| Keybuk | kwwii: if you can't get hold of someone, talk to pitti who'll be able to help | 14:08 |
| kwwii | pitti: right, I just thought you were too important | 14:08 |
| kwwii | :-) | 14:08 |
| Keybuk | either himself, or by assigning someone to do it | 14:08 |
| kwwii | ok, cool | 14:08 |
| pitti | lol | 14:08 |
| kwwii | there will be a new theme package from community stuff | 14:08 |
| kwwii | I have it in my ppa now and once mark ok's the themes it will need to go in intrepid as well | 14:08 |
| Keybuk | pitti: as Technical Lead, don't be shy about delegating to someone else | 14:09 |
| Keybuk | especially if it's a release affecting bug | 14:09 |
| Keybuk | seb128: before you dropped off, there was an outstanding action for you from last meeting | 14:10 |
| Keybuk | * seb128 to discuss MIR, seed changes and CD size implications with doko. | 14:10 |
| seb128_ | doko and pitti were on holidays so nobody to talked too | 14:11 |
| seb128_ | mpt wrote a nice document too and suggested delaying the switch until next cycle | 14:12 |
| pitti | seb128_: waiting for something in particular? as I said, I spent yesterday and today with processing almost all MIRs | 14:12 |
| seb128_ | I tend to agree with him now, it still lacks some feature, we have lot of other things to do and it's late for MIRs, CD space changes, etc | 14:12 |
| seb128_ | pitti: that's was for the telepathy stack | 14:13 |
| Keybuk | ah, ok, this ends up being the same agenda item as Ted's :) | 14:13 |
| pitti | oh, empathy | 14:13 |
| Keybuk | tedg: that answers your final decision question? | 14:13 |
| pitti | ok, so empathy -> intrepid+1 first day? | 14:13 |
| seb128_ | pitti: what I would suggest yes | 14:14 |
| tedg | Heh, sounds like it. Can we just change the ISO standard for CD size? ;) | 14:14 |
| seb128_ | it still lacks feature and will require some work and everybody is already overworked | 14:14 |
| seb128_ | pidgin will do and users like it so it's not an issue | 14:14 |
| Keybuk | ok, cool | 14:15 |
| tedg | It would be nice when we ship Empathy that the A/V features were rock solid so that it's an easy sell. | 14:15 |
| kwwii | that is 4 less icons for me to make :-) | 14:15 |
| Keybuk | MacSlow has been having problems with XDG_SESSION_COOKIE and has asked to discuss them here | 14:15 |
| Keybuk | MacSlow: could you briefly outline the problem, and who you've talked to about it so far? | 14:15 |
| seb128_ | I don't think it's a meeting topic | 14:15 |
| pitti | no, we discussed this at lenght in email already | 14:15 |
| pitti | something for #ubuntu-devel IMHO | 14:15 |
| seb128_ | should rather be discussed on #ubuntu-desktop or #ubuntu-devel at any time during the day | 14:15 |
| pitti | it seems that MacSlow's dbus installation is really hosed somehow | 14:15 |
| MacSlow | I'm ok with that. | 14:15 |
| tedg | MacSlow: Is that problem coming from the new GDM? | 14:16 |
| Keybuk | ok, MacSlow: please take to the other channels | 14:16 |
| MacSlow | I mean the place for disussion | 14:16 |
| Keybuk | all your co-workers are back from leave | 14:16 |
| pitti | MacSlow: after the meeting, #u-desktop? | 14:16 |
| MacSlow | pitti, ok | 14:16 |
| seb128_ | tedg: yes, it's gdm | 14:16 |
| MacSlow | tedg, yeah gory | 14:16 |
| tedg | Keybuk: Are we inviting GDM folks to UDS? It seems like a good UDS session. | 14:17 |
| MacSlow | Jon and Ray would be cool to have | 14:17 |
| Keybuk | tedg: we're doing UDS differently again, information will be out on Monday | 14:17 |
| Keybuk | http://people.ubuntu.com/~dholbach/sponsoring/ | 14:17 |
| Keybuk | Sponsoring Queue | 14:17 |
| seb128_ | speaking about gdm would be nice if you guys who are working on it could update the launchpad bzr to have current snapshots | 14:17 |
| seb128_ | nobody touched it since I pushed that during the distro sprint | 14:18 |
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| MacSlow | seb128_, you mean just package the current upstream?! | 14:18 |
| Keybuk | seb128: bug #263799 | 14:18 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 263799 in gnome-themes "Please sponsor gnome-themes 2.23.91 (main) into Intrepid" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/263799 | 14:18 |
| seb128 | I mean get the bzr and rebase it on the current bzr gnome mirror | 14:18 |
| MacSlow | seb128, ah ok | 14:18 |
| seb128 | Keybuk: it was pending changes from the contributor until yesterday and archive is frozen | 14:19 |
| kwwii | updating the gnome-themes package would be nice | 14:19 |
| seb128 | Keybuk: I'll upload after the freeze | 14:19 |
| tedg | MacSlow: I'm not sure if it got merged in, but I had a small init change in my GDM branch. (if you're going to merge everything) | 14:19 |
| Keybuk | ok | 14:19 |
| Keybuk | Riddell: #263082 | 14:20 |
| Keybuk | Riddell: bug #263082 | 14:20 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 263082 in libqalculate "Spelling mistakes in currency menu" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/263082 | 14:20 |
| Riddell | not looked at them yet | 14:20 |
| Riddell | can do once alpha is out | 14:20 |
| Keybuk | it's going to be a new requirement that each team member spend an hour a week doing sponsorship | 14:20 |
| MacSlow | tedg, I will see when I do that | 14:20 |
| Keybuk | (the e-mail is somewhere between dholbach and mdz right now) | 14:21 |
| Keybuk | so please do find the time this week where possible, even if you just queue it for after the freeze | 14:21 |
| Keybuk | pitti: bug #257313 | 14:21 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 257313 in abiword "abiword 2.6.4 homepage field / watch file" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/257313 | 14:21 |
| seb128 | Keybuk: good decision ;-) | 14:22 |
| pitti | Keybuk: I commented on that; this small patch alone doesn't really warrant an upload IMHO, so I wanted to wait until some actual fixed piled up | 14:22 |
| seb128 | pitti: unsubscribe the sponsor team | 14:23 |
| Keybuk | pitti: unsubscribe the sponsor tema | 14:23 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 14:23 |
| pitti | it's reported to Debian, too | 14:23 |
| pitti | ok | 14:23 |
| Keybuk | things in the list should be either doable immediately after a review | 14:23 |
| Keybuk | or, if they are not, comment on the bug to explain the problem and unsubscribe the team to remove them from the list | 14:24 |
| Keybuk | seb128: bug #249582 | 14:24 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 249582 in gtksourceview2 "Highlighting for `popd` in sh.lang misspelled as `podp`" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/249582 | 14:24 |
| seb128 | Keybuk: uploaded during this meeting already, that was from this morning | 14:24 |
| Keybuk | Riddell: #248792 | 14:24 |
| Keybuk | seb128: :-) | 14:24 |
| Keybuk | Riddell: bug #248792 | 14:24 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 248792 in kdenetwork "Binary package knewsticker should be renamed to plasmoid-knewsticker" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/248792 | 14:24 |
| Riddell | hmm will discuss with debian | 14:25 |
| Keybuk | Riddell: if it requires discussion, the sponsorship team should be unsubscribed | 14:25 |
| Keybuk | since it's not a trivial request | 14:25 |
| Riddell | ok | 14:26 |
| Keybuk | seb128: bug #234754 | 14:26 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 234754 in rhythmbox "Launcher icon is fuzzy" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/234754 | 14:26 |
| seb128 | Keybuk: I'll unsubscribe the team from this one now, not happy about the change | 14:26 |
| Keybuk | ok | 14:27 |
| kwwii | seems like we have these bugs every release | 14:27 |
| Keybuk | (and yes, I'm doing mine as I go down the list too :p) | 14:27 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 14:27 |
| Keybuk | seb128: bug #153526 | 14:27 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 153526 in xchat-gnome "segmentation fault when set as away by GUI" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153526 | 14:27 |
| seb128 | will look at this one | 14:28 |
| seb128 | I've already sponsored like 10 uploads yesterday, would be nice to share the load a bit too | 14:28 |
| Keybuk | mvo: bug #146979 | 14:28 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 146979 in software-properties "Substandard .desktop file (patch against bzr attached)" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/146979 | 14:28 |
| Keybuk | seb128: don't be afraid to reassign to other people on the team | 14:28 |
| seb128 | Keybuk: thanks | 14:28 |
| Keybuk | if you want someone more authorative to do it, ask pitti who can do so as the Technical Lead | 14:29 |
| mvo | Keybuk: will upload it after the freeze is over | 14:29 |
| Keybuk | mvo: bug # | 14:29 |
| Keybuk | mvo: bug #56792 | 14:29 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 56792 in apt "String consisting entirely of variables has no translation hint" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/56792 | 14:29 |
| * mvo looks | 14:31 | |
| Keybuk | ... | 14:33 |
| Keybuk | ok, pushing on | 14:34 |
| Keybuk | as the Technical Lead, one of Martin's responsibilities is to keep track of the release status of the team | 14:34 |
| Keybuk | in particular, those bugs or features assigned to the team or which should be assigned to the team | 14:34 |
| Keybuk | but also our general realease ability | 14:34 |
| Keybuk | so he gets a regular slot in this meeting to find out about problems, and ask for updates | 14:35 |
| Keybuk | pitti: over to you | 14:35 |
| pitti | seb128: are there still things to be done for the spellcheck cleanup? | 14:35 |
| seb128 | pitti: yes, ArneGoetje still need to change the hunspell dictionnaries depends | 14:36 |
| pitti | I processed the MIRs yesterday, so they can go; ok, will ask him | 14:36 |
| pitti | seb128: also, I think better-login-speed and intrepid-menus-review could need a whiteboard update | 14:37 |
| seb128 | also the hunspell dictionnaries conflicts on thunderbird which we want to fix | 14:37 |
| pitti | they are still 'started', they should be further than that or deferred | 14:37 |
| seb128 | pitti: right, will do that today | 14:37 |
| Keybuk | seb128: how are the individual pieces of those two specs proceeding? | 14:37 |
| pitti | seb128: I don't think a lot has happened to those yet, right? | 14:37 |
| seb128 | no | 14:38 |
| seb128 | the menu changes are trivial for the most part and I wanted to do that after the GNOME update but it took a bit longer than planned, will do that today or tomorrow | 14:38 |
| pitti | mvo: intrepid-desktop-systemprefs> I acked the MIR, it's in main; is the PPA patch for g-c-c in intrepid now? | 14:38 |
| seb128 | the login speed we got the gnome-session which start things in order but that's about it | 14:39 |
| mvo | pitti: yes, it is in intrepid now, but mpt had some UI suggestions that needs to be included | 14:39 |
| pitti | mvo: do you reckon the global keyboard setting will make intrepid? | 14:40 |
| pitti | spec says it's not done yet, and you are still discussing with arne | 14:40 |
| pitti | seb128: ok, thanks; updating the whiteboard for the remaining TODOs would be appreciated | 14:40 |
| mvo | pitti: it depends on how far we want to go. a debconf based one should be easy, a custom one is more difficult (and will not make it) | 14:41 |
| pitti | mvo: debconf? in language selector? | 14:41 |
| mpt | I didn't realize there was already a spec for that (mine's at <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DefaultKeyboardSettings>) | 14:41 |
| pitti | anyway, that's #u-devel material | 14:41 |
| mvo | pitti: the keyboard settings can be changed via the debconf console-setup package, so my first approach on this was to just use this | 14:42 |
| mvo | X picks that up nowdays | 14:42 |
| mvo | but if we want a better UI, then more work is required | 14:42 |
| pitti | mvo: ah, poke it into debconf and dpkg-reconfigure console-setup? | 14:42 |
| pitti | mvo: and take the value from the language selector UI? | 14:42 |
| mvo | yes | 14:42 |
| mvo | that was the plan | 14:42 |
| pitti | that WFM | 14:43 |
| pitti | as long as it doesn't actually need to spawn synaptic and the gtk debconf UI :) | 14:43 |
| pitti | Keybuk: ok, I'm done, thanks | 14:43 |
| Keybuk | ok, great | 14:44 |
| Keybuk | any other business? | 14:44 |
| Keybuk | adjourned then | 14:45 |
| Keybuk | thanks everyone | 14:45 |
| MacSlow | ok | 14:45 |
| pitti | thanks all | 14:45 |
| seb128 | thanks | 14:46 |
| mvo | thanks | 14:47 |
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| persia | Who's here for the Java meeting? | 15:00 |
| Koon | o/ | 15:00 |
| persia | dalibor: slytherin: ? | 15:01 |
| * persia suspects this will be a short meeting. | 15:02 | |
| persia | Koon: Any progress to report? | 15:02 |
| Koon | I just uploaded a jpp-modified maven to the team PPA | 15:03 |
| Koon | and also submitted the corresponding packaging in the team BZR | 15:03 |
| persia | Cool. That's the one that needed the .pom files to be added to each library, right? | 15:04 |
| Koon | yes. very very painful | 15:04 |
| cody-somerville | \o/ | 15:04 |
| Koon | I've been trying to do a minimal helloworld build | 15:04 |
| Koon | we are missing the very basic blocks to make that happening. Like packaged basic maven-plugins | 15:04 |
| Koon | anyway, once it is built in the PPA, I'll post instructions on how to play with it | 15:05 |
| dalibor | thanks, koon | 15:05 |
| Koon | it will involve installing the modified maven + copying a bunch of files from a tar.gz that provide what should have been provided by other packages | 15:05 |
| Koon | At that point running mvn compile I hit an error | 15:06 |
| persia | Right. The maven-jpp-support stuff that we agreed we didn't want, but nobody came up with a better solution that wasn't incredibly painful. | 15:06 |
| Koon | exactly | 15:06 |
| Koon | I can tell creating the tar.gz with all the missing files was a very painful process. | 15:06 |
| persia | Indeed. | 15:07 |
| Koon | the original maven-jpp in my ppa was not working at all | 15:07 |
| Koon | so I've been busy those last few days fixing it, the one in the PPA "works", meaning you can use it as the regular maven, it shouldn't break | 15:08 |
| Koon | s/the PPA/the team PPA/ | 15:08 |
| Koon | but like I said, I'm stuck with a "Unable to find the mojo"-style error | 15:08 |
| Koon | Instructions will be at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JavaTeam/MavenJppTesting whenever I confirm they are sufficient to reproduce | 15:09 |
| Koon | whcih should be anytime now | 15:09 |
| Koon | sorry I'm late, hasd a power outagethose last two hours | 15:09 |
| Koon | I intended to complete that by the meeting time :/ | 15:09 |
| persia | No problem at all. It sounds like you've made great progress! | 15:10 |
| persia | What do you need from others at this point? | 15:10 |
| Koon | I'd have preferred at least being able to run that basic "mvn compile" command :) | 15:10 |
| Koon | A maven/Java/plexus guy could review the error I get and give me pointers | 15:11 |
| Koon | or go further in the process and write on that same wiki page | 15:11 |
| Koon | I've forwarded the error to Deepak Bhole, who has been very helpful in the mvn-jpp fixing frenzy of those last days. | 15:11 |
| Koon | the idea is to describe how to reach the point where I stand right now in the quest to the debian-package-with-maven holy grail, so that others can progress in the quest themselves | 15:13 |
| persia | Anyone able to help Koon in tracking down the error? | 15:14 |
| Koon | but I can already tell using mvn-jpp will be ugly. The only clean solution I see is to get rid of maven upstream. | 15:14 |
| persia | Heh. | 15:14 |
| persia | Do we know if affected upstreams can be built with ant? | 15:15 |
| Koon | persia: most of the time the upstream use a wacky maven-plugin to do something strange. To work around that, you basically have to rewrite what the plugin does. | 15:16 |
| persia | Ah. Then not really something easily done at the packaging level. | 15:17 |
| Koon | we could work around maven using a maven converter, that would reuse some plugin code but get rid of the auto-updating pom stuff | 15:17 |
| Koon | I'm not sure trying to use maven directly is the right solution, in fact | 15:18 |
| Koon | beacsue you have to build an environment around it to make it believe it's connecting somewhere else to get its elements | 15:19 |
| Koon | (either using the JPP patchset or the proxy thing) | 15:19 |
| persia | Anyone else have thoughts about this? | 15:19 |
| lool | Can't we use a security manager to disable networking? | 15:19 |
| persia | lool: We get that for free on the buildds, but it still tries to download, and the build will fail if it can't connect. | 15:20 |
| Koon | lool: what the JPP patchset does is disable networking, and making it fetch everything from file:// urls | 15:20 |
| Koon | +disable the freshness check on items + trying to map versions to the installed one | 15:21 |
| lool | Sounds good | 15:21 |
| Koon | lool: that's the less worse, but it's still hackish and fragile | 15:21 |
| lool | Can't we convince maven upstream to implement support for network less operation? | 15:21 |
| lool | *networkless | 15:21 |
| persia | dalibor: What do you think of the chances of that? | 15:22 |
| dalibor | glassfish : missing deps - activation-rev, auto-depends, bnd, config, connector-api-alpha, dataprovider-sources, deployment-api-rev, doxia-modules, jakarta-regexp, jsf, kxml, lot of maven plugins, apache felix, eclipse persistence, osgi, phobos, different plexus plugins, stax, surefire, svnkit, wagon plugins. | 15:22 |
| dalibor | hard - bascially - deepak tried that & failed. | 15:22 |
| dalibor | two years ago. | 15:22 |
| lool | He failed at the convincing or the implementation stage? | 15:22 |
| dalibor | (to get his oatch in) | 15:23 |
| dalibor | the upstream felt that the current mode was ok as it was | 15:23 |
| Koon | lool: one problem is that maven relies on POM files to walk the dependency tree | 15:23 |
| dalibor | and in the current mode, offlijne execution still implies that meven will go out on the network anyway. | 15:23 |
| lool | I can hardly imagine that so many people would rely on a tool which needs network for all builds | 15:23 |
| dalibor | yeah, well ... it basically works like this | 15:24 |
| dalibor | regular java developers use operating systems that dopn't have package managers | 15:24 |
| dalibor | so for them maven#s ability to just fetch dependencies from somewhere is great | 15:24 |
| lool | Lack of integration with packaging I can understand, but network access? | 15:24 |
| dalibor | since it means they don't have to check those jars in anymore. | 15:24 |
| dalibor | ahem. | 15:24 |
| lool | Like all these opensource java developper stop building when they are in a plane? | 15:25 |
| dalibor | after a couple of weeks spent migrating to maven they discover it's not so simple , actually, but then life is too short to go back ;) | 15:25 |
| lool | haha | 15:25 |
| dalibor | so what people end up using are maven archive managers | 15:25 |
| lool | Ok; I have some vague memories that one could point maven 1 at a preferred repositories to grab deps from, but I don't know whether it was possible to configure it for a file:// local rpeo | 15:26 |
| dalibor | which are basically maven repo mirroring tools + proxies. | 15:26 |
| Koon | even with maven out of the way, the effort necessary to package all JARs for something like glassfish or geronimo is huge. With maven, it's close to "not worth it". | 15:26 |
| dalibor | which is funny enough what a nuch of maven related companies sell ;) | 15:27 |
| dalibor | and maven migration consulting services ;) | 15:27 |
| lool | Are these jars mostly in the archive but not accessible to maven, or mostly not? | 15:28 |
| dalibor | it's a bit like migrating to linux - you know it is supposed to work like a charm, but your wirelss card is still not working ;) | 15:28 |
| lool | If the jars are in the archive, perhaps we can script extraction and pulling into an absolutely hideous maven-jars package which would work like ia32-libs -- while looking into making more of these maven accessible | 15:29 |
| Koon | persia: anyway, I'm testing my instructions right now, will post to ubuntu-java when I'm done, and do some advertising on #ubuntu-java | 15:29 |
| persia | Koon: Sounds good. | 15:29 |
| lool | If they are not, would it be possible to download the source code theoritically used to build the jars and stuff it alongside? | 15:29 |
| dalibor | well, there is lies the rub | 15:30 |
| dalibor | the maven archive actually contains no source code for the jars in there | 15:30 |
| persia | Also, regarding the libraries and libraries and libraries problem: in hardy the NetBeans team spent a couple months identifying the 25 libraries they needed added or uploaded, and made it in. It's a heap of work, but it's possible. | 15:30 |
| lool | (e.g. debian/rules download-deps would be run by the maintainer and would copy .jars and .tar.gz/.zips with source code to maven/deps/ and that would be used to build the package) | 15:30 |
| Koon | lool: Well there is one solution... | 15:30 |
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| lool | dalibor: Isn't it contradictory to the distribution requirements of these projects? | 15:31 |
| Koon | lool: 1/compile the project with maven | 15:31 |
| Koon | 2/ save the resulting .m2 repository | 15:31 |
| dalibor | only for the GPLd ones ;) | 15:31 |
| Koon | 3/ replace all jars with links to the system-installed ones | 15:31 |
| lool | dalibor: I hoped that if they need to provide it for GPL projects they could organize to provide it all the time :-/ | 15:32 |
| Koon | 4/ package that huge thing together with your sources | 15:32 |
| Koon | 5/run a modified maven that just does not do the freshness check | 15:32 |
| dalibor | lool: well, I had that dcisussion with the nmavenproject lead back in 2003, or so, and was told to sod off, so ... ymmv ;) | 15:32 |
| Koon | ugly but easier. | 15:32 |
| lool | Koon: What you describe sounds doable and I don't see big issues | 15:32 |
| dalibor | i think the repository posicy ended up being 'avoid GPLd projects' instead of 'let's just ship the source code' | 15:33 |
| Koon | lool: i'll describe that as an implementation alternative | 15:33 |
| Koon | lool: it's also a more manageable patch than the jpp patchset | 15:33 |
| persia | OK. It sounds like we've got more proposals. Let's get those on the spec, and discuss in the IRC channel and on the mailing list. | 15:33 |
| persia | We can implement as many as we like, and decide which is good as soon as we have one that works. | 15:34 |
| persia | Next topic: | 15:34 |
| Koon | lool: and one that could make its way upstream (-Donly_use_current_artifacts) | 15:34 |
| persia | dalibor: Where are we in terms of task definition for the server stack? | 15:34 |
| dalibor | i've compiled a lit of missing stuff in the repos, posted further up. | 15:34 |
| dalibor | (for glassfish) | 15:35 |
| dalibor | it boils down to | 15:35 |
| dalibor | a) more maven stuff (i.e. plugins, plugins, plugins) | 15:35 |
| dalibor | b) more plexus stuff | 15:35 |
| dalibor | c) more of doxia | 15:35 |
| dalibor | d) more of wagon | 15:35 |
| dalibor | e) an osgi implementation (i.e. apache felix) | 15:36 |
| persia | Are plexus, doxia, or wagon likely to cause any of the issues that we've seen with maven, or are they mostly just library packaging? | 15:36 |
| dalibor | f) along with flexus, bnd | 15:36 |
| dalibor | g) phobos | 15:36 |
| dalibor | h) eclipse persistence | 15:37 |
| dalibor | i) surefire | 15:37 |
| dalibor | j) svnkit | 15:37 |
| dalibor | k) small stuff. ;9 | 15:37 |
| persia | Er, Ah. | 15:38 |
| dalibor | plexus, doxia & wagon are all basically maven related | 15:38 |
| persia | So it's actually on the order of 20-30 new packages we need, at least? | 15:38 |
| dalibor | doxia is a documentation generation kit | 15:39 |
| dalibor | there is a package for it, but it doesn't have all the doxia modules necessary for glassfish | 15:39 |
| dalibor | plexus is an IoC ontainer, there is a package for it, same as above | 15:40 |
| dalibor | wagon is a transport layer for maven, same as above | 15:40 |
| dalibor | i'd guess 20-30 would capture that, yeah, though they are all libraries (likely using maven to build), rather then projects requiring a massive effort to integrate into a distribution. | 15:41 |
| persia | That's a lot. I suspect we'll need to get some help from Debian (unless we suddenly get lots more packaging volunteers) to get that within intrepid+1. | 15:43 |
| dalibor | definitely. | 15:43 |
| persia | Should be a little easier once squeeze opens. | 15:43 |
| dalibor | though I hope a lot of it will just fall into place once maven-jpp works | 15:43 |
| persia | I think a good start might be to identify which libraries can be built with the current stack, and start with a bunch of RFPs. | 15:43 |
| dalibor | yeah | 15:45 |
| dalibor | i'll post a full list to the wiki | 15:46 |
| persia | dalibor: Could you maybe summarise the findings on a wiki page (unless I missed it before), and we can add it as a new item for someone to chase? | 15:46 |
| dalibor | yep | 15:46 |
| persia | Anyone up for a bunch of packaging? | 15:46 |
| persia | OK. Maybe we can get some volunteers once the list is up. | 15:48 |
| dalibor | svnkit should be easy to start with, it uses ant to build, for example. | 15:48 |
| persia | Might also be a good idea to have a session at OpenWeek and encourage people to attack the list once we get a few more. | 15:48 |
| persia | dalibor: What's next in the task definition plan? | 15:49 |
| dalibor | breaking out the easy ones that we can package with ant / as is | 15:49 |
| persia | So still glassfish? OK. | 15:49 |
| dalibor | yeah, I'm sure I'll have my hands full with just its dependencies for now :/ | 15:50 |
| dalibor | happy to delegate looking at other alternatives to any takers | 15:50 |
| persia | No problems :) If you're running that, I wonder if we oughtn't change the roadmap item to "glassfish integration" or something, rather than task identification for the server stack in general. | 15:50 |
| dalibor | works for me | 15:51 |
| persia | OK. anything else? | 15:51 |
| dalibor | nothing from me | 15:53 |
| persia | OK. That concludes the agenda. Does anyone have any last minute items the'd like to mention or discuss? | 15:53 |
| Koon | nope | 15:53 |
| dalibor | nope - i won't be around next week, though | 15:54 |
| persia | Well, then. If nobody else has anything, I'd just like to say "Thank you" to dailbor for having dug through all the old meeting logs and brought the minutes up to date. | 15:54 |
| persia | Thanks for coming today, and see most of you next week :) | 15:55 |
| dalibor | thanks, I'll update the meetings again | 15:56 |
| dalibor | eeeh ... minutes ;) | 15:57 |
| persia | Thank you dalibor | 15:59 |
| dalibor | thanks for chairing the meetings, persia and see you in two weeks ;) | 15:59 |
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| Seveas | @now | 17:13 |
| ubottu | Error: Please don't use @schedule during a meeting | 17:13 |
| ma10 | @now rome | 17:28 |
| ubottu | Error: Please don't use @schedule during a meeting | 17:28 |
| persia | stdin: Any ideas why ubottu thinks there's a meeting on? | 17:53 |
| stdin | @reload Webcal | 17:53 |
| ubottu | The operation succeeded. | 17:53 |
| stdin | @now | 17:53 |
| ubottu | Error: Please don't use @schedule during a meeting | 17:53 |
| * stdin sighs | 17:54 | |
| stdin | @reload Webcal | 17:59 |
| ubottu | The operation succeeded. | 17:59 |
| stdin | @now | 17:59 |
| ubottu | Current time in Etc/UTC: September 04 2008, 16:59:26 - Next meeting: MOTU in 1 day | 17:59 |
| stdin | @schedule | 17:59 |
| ubottu | Schedule for Etc/UTC: 05 Sep 20:00: MOTU | 08 Sep 04:00: Arizona LoCo IRC | 09 Sep 15:00: Server Team | 10 Sep 17:00: QA Team | 10 Sep 22:00: Platform Team | 12 Sep 15:00: Ubuntu Release | 17:59 |
| persia | That's looking much better, except it's missing at least three meetings scheduled for the 11th. | 18:01 |
| persia | Is it pulling from fridge/events still, or the google calendar? | 18:01 |
| stdin | the google one | 18:01 |
| stdin | the bot has trouble with recurring events though | 18:02 |
| persia | Oh, and I scheduled the Thursday meetings as recurring events. I thought the trouble was with the fridge, rather than the bot. | 18:04 |
| persia | Should I ask the news team to reschedule them as one-time meetings, or is that likely to be resolved soon enough it's not worth it? | 18:04 |
| stdin | I've been trying to get it to work for months :p | 18:05 |
| stdin | there is no standard way to parse ICal in python it seems, and any third-party modules do not handle events in a usable way | 18:06 |
| persia | Lovely. | 18:09 |
| persia | Do you need help? | 18:09 |
| stdin | I can always use help :) | 18:09 |
| persia | OK. I'll call for help in #ubuntu-motu. No idea if anyone will have an idea, but sometimes people are bored. | 18:10 |
| persia | stdin: https://code.launchpad.net/~tsimpson/ubuntu-bots/tweak is the branch ubottu is running, right? | 18:16 |
| stdin | persia: no, I haven't committed all the changes to the branch yet. http://jussi01.com/stdin/webcal-plugin.tar.gz is the current code | 18:17 |
| persia | stdin: Any chance you could commit them somewhere? I could pass people the url to the tar.gz, but I'd imagine you'd prefer a branch merge request to just patch files. | 18:18 |
| persia | (especially if several people respond) | 18:20 |
| stdin | persia: https://code.launchpad.net/~tsimpson/+junk/Webcal (when it appears) | 18:24 |
| persia | stdin: I'll list that URL then. Thanks. | 18:24 |
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