[00:04] <nullack> It also occurs under the nv driver
[00:42] <asac> nullack: ok
[00:42] <fta> Jazzva, do you see that too ? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=909641
[00:42] <asac> nullack: try to downgrade nspluginwrapper
[00:42] <asac> to the hardy version
[00:42] <fta> Jazzva, (i do)
[00:43] <asac> nullack: and sudo apt-get install --reinstall nspluginwrapper
[00:43] <nullack> asac: will test and report result
[00:43] <nullack> asac: before or after downgrade?
[00:43] <asac> nullack: sorry ... last line should reed:
[00:43] <asac> flashplugin-nonfree
[00:43] <asac> ;)
[00:43] <nullack> asac right
[00:43] <asac> after downgrading nspluginwrapper
[00:43] <asac> :)
[00:44] <asac> fta: x86?
[00:44] <asac> fta: goes away by downgrading nspluginwrapper?
[00:44] <asac> (and reinstalling flashplugin)
[00:46] <fta> i don't have nspluginwrapper
[00:46] <asac> fta: could you please try it?
[00:46] <asac> and see how much worse it is ;)
[00:46] <fta> on my laptop (amd64) i have it (obviously), it's sucking far too much cpu
[00:47] <asac> fta: yeah. still i would be interested in x86 experiences ;)
[01:00] <Jazzva> fta, yep... from time to time
[01:01] <Jazzva> I thought it was related to nspluginwrapper, but someone reported that it happens without nspluginwrapper too
[01:02] <fta> i see it a lot in prism (xul 1.9), not that much in ff3.1
[01:02] <Jazzva> maybe it's related to fx?
[01:02] <Jazzva> I have 3.0.1
[01:03] <Jazzva> fta, bug 250769
[01:04] <asac> ok so dropping windowless support fixes nspluginwrapper quite well here
[01:04] <Jazzva> That's what I'm also seeing, beside flickering, and the rest
[01:04] <asac> good to know that there is at least that option if w dont find why its so damn slow
[01:04] <Jazzva> so damn slow? npw/
[01:04] <Jazzva> ?
[01:05] <asac> Jazzva: flashplugin ;)
[01:05] <asac> nonfree
[01:05] <fta> Jazzva, i'm not seeing this with flash,, i do see a window quickly appear when i close a tab containing an embedded totem
[01:05] <asac> its slow as hell here with nspluginwrapper 1.1.0 ;)
[01:06] <Jazzva> well, the video is working here nicely with 1.1.0...
[01:06] <Jazzva> though, only when I watch directly on youtube :)
[01:06] <asac> http://wetter.rtl.de/ ?
[01:06] <asac> the card on the left should animate when you hover the mouse
[01:06] <asac> err map not card ;)
[01:07] <fta> it does here.
[01:07] <Jazzva> same here... a bit slower, but not painfully slow
[01:07] <fta> it's fine, fluid
[01:07] <asac> fta: do you have nspluginwrapper?
[01:07] <Jazzva> (though I'm still on celeron 1.7)
[01:07] <asac> Jazzva: which driver?
[01:07] <fta> no, i'll try but not tonight
[01:07] <Jazzva> hmm... let me see :)
[01:08] <asac> for nspluginwrapper with windowless + ati driver kills it
[01:08] <asac> on amd64
[01:09] <fta> it puts my cpu to the roof
[01:09] <Jazzva> I think it's open-source driver for ati... forgot it's name
[01:09] <asac> Jazzva: radeonhd?
[01:09] <asac> i had that before ... now i have ati as someone said that 3d works there
[01:09] <Jazzva> umm... that doesn't sound familiar :)
[01:09] <asac> Jazzva: then its just "ati" most likely
[01:10] <asac> like what i have
[01:10] <nullack> Could I get some help on downgrading the package please. Ive edited my preferences:
[01:10] <nullack> nullack@PPP:/etc/apt$ cat preferences
[01:10] <nullack> Package: nspluginwrapper
[01:10] <nullack> Pin: version 0.9.91.5*
[01:10] <nullack> Pin-Priority: 1001
[01:11] <nullack> And added deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hardy main restricted universe multiverse to sources.list
[01:11] <asac> nullack: just download the deb from launchpad
[01:11] <asac> and then
[01:12] <asac> sudo dpkg -i nsplugin*.deb
[01:12] <asac> ;)
[01:12] <nullack> Ok, so we dont pin and fiddle with preferences
[01:12] <asac> i wouldnt do that
[01:12] <nullack> roger
[01:12] <asac> its just for tesing ;)
[01:12] <asac> testing
[01:22] <nullack> asac Im pleased to report that fixes it
[01:22] <nullack> nullack@PPP:~/Desktop$ apt-cache policy nspluginwrapper
[01:22] <nullack> nspluginwrapper:
[01:22] <nullack>   Installed: 0.9.91.5-2ubuntu2
[01:22] <nullack>   Candidate: 1.1.0-0ubuntu2
[01:22] <nullack>   Version table:
[01:22] <nullack>      1.1.0-0ubuntu2 0
[01:22] <nullack>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/multiverse Packages
[01:22] <nullack>  *** 0.9.91.5-2ubuntu2 0
[01:22] <nullack>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[01:23] <asac> nullack: so what are your exact symptoms?
[01:23] <nullack> On the intrepid revision the symptoms are
[01:23] <nullack> 1. When browsing flash sites such as tv.com the browser starts reading the page
[01:23] <nullack> 2. It will then vanish
[01:24] <nullack> 3. Sometimes I get a segfault message into the sys log but its rare
[01:24] <asac> stop ;)
[01:24] <asac> what vanishes? the browser?
[01:24] <nullack> Yes, FF
[01:24] <nullack> If I restart FF, FF knows it crashed and presents the restore or start new session GUI
[01:24] <asac> ok. that sounds like you had 1.1.0-0ubuntu1 installed when you installed flashplugin-nonfree
[01:25] <asac> did you try to --reinstall flashplugin-nonfree when you saw those issues?
[01:25] <nullack> Yes, I said that on your configuration it works :)
[01:25] <asac> huh?
[01:25] <nullack> Downgrading to hardys version of the wrapper and reinstalling the non free flash works
[01:26] <asac> nullack: yes. thats not the question
[01:26] <nullack> The Intrepid revision of the wrapper does not work
[01:26] <asac> please upgrade to latest intrepid nspluginwrapper
[01:26] <asac> then --reinstall flashplugin-nonfree
[01:26] <nullack> right doing that now
[01:26] <asac> ok
[01:26] <asac> i fixed most painful cases in ubuntu2 ... so when you didnt --reinstall on that version you might still see the issues from ubuntu1 ... which actually had exactly your symptoms
[01:27] <asac> at least when it always crashes for you
[01:29] <nullack> Ok, youve hit the root cause there asac :) People who have been testing Intrepid for sometime did not get the reinstall of flash and ended up with an invalid config which is probably why Brian couldnt replicate
[01:29] <asac> true
[01:29] <nullack> I no longer have the always crash
[01:29] <asac> ok good
[01:29] <nullack> But, the new bug of flickeing flash is pretty bad :)
[01:30] <asac> well. actually i didnt trigger the --reinstall yet because i wanted to sort out issues like ubuntu1
[01:30] <asac> unfortunately this kind of slow feedback has some colleteral damage ;)
[01:30] <asac> nullack: but that also appears to happen without nspluginwrapper on x86
[01:30] <asac> so its a flash or driver issue
[01:31] <nullack> Im happy to work closely with you for quicker feedback - its sometimes hard to go from a bug report to knowing who to talk too, and not to feel like Im pestering the devs with my bugs
[01:31] <asac> nullack: please comment on the bug so others can recover their stale ;)
[01:31] <nullack> I can do another test usng the NV driver on te flickering thing
[01:32] <nullack> commenting now
[01:32] <asac> thx
[01:33] <asac> nullack: how bad is performance for you now?
[01:35] <nullack> Its higher than what it was. Im on an AMD Sempron single core, scrolling is the worse on sites like tv.com, conky shows 85-95% utilisation while scrolling
[01:36] <nullack> Sitting at the top of tv.com Im floating around 50% with no scrolling
[01:37] <asac> nullack: which process is taking the cycles?
[01:37] <asac> the firefox or the npviewer process?
[01:37] <nullack> Xorg takes the most, then npviewer
[01:38] <asac> nullack: whats the ratio?
[01:38] <asac> like 2:1 or more like 10:1 ?
[01:43] <nullack> One sec I will u/l a file showing my conky which is pretty descriptive
[01:45] <nullack> npviewbin just crashed, sending apport
[01:47] <nullack> asac : http://www.fileqube.com/shared/dGrpZBSMn93509
[01:47] <nullack> asac : its a png showing my conky so you can see details
[01:48] <nullack> You can view it fullsize or download
[01:51] <nullack> asac: In the cpu utilisation history you can see the graph at around 50% which was the time I was sitting at the top of the tv.com page not scrolling
[01:51] <asac> nullack: as long as firefox doesnt crash its most likely just flash crashing
[01:51] <nullack> asac: Then you can see in the cpu graph where its maxing out/close to it where Im scrolling
[01:52] <nullack> The conky shows cpu top and mem top for you
[01:54] <asac> ok i think i made nspluginwrapper fast enough here to see the flickering ;)
[01:57] <asac> but i think that hack added more instability to it
[01:57] <asac> then it helped ;)
[01:57] <nullack> :)
[02:04] <nullack> asac : I can confirm the flickering on tv.com is there for both the NV and NVIDIA drivers
[02:04] <nullack> Im going back to nvidia, gdm restarting
[02:12] <nullack> asac : Im raising a bug on the flickering - is the correct package for it the flash plugin or the wrapper?
[02:14] <asac> nullack: it happens with nspluginwrapper too (according to fta)
[02:14] <asac> nullack: but we cannot really fix flash plugin bugs
[02:14] <asac> so no real need to file bug on that package
[02:14] <nullack> I could setup an upstream bugwatch
[02:15] <nullack> Ok Ill take it uo stream
[02:15] <asac> yeah
[02:15] <nullack> *up
[02:15] <asac> if you can really link a launchpad bug to an adobe ticket then go for it
[02:15] <nullack> Ok Ill create one upstream and bugwtach it here in LP
[07:13] <gnomefreak> im here if needed im just working on some scripts (3) for addressbook
[07:37]  * gnomefreak loves the new log out dialog but it would be great if it worked
[11:07] <gnomefreak> asac: you mean sound in flash?
[11:07] <gnomefreak> that problem?
[11:09] <gnomefreak> blacklist snd_pcsp causes no sound if you comment it out you get system sound but no speaker sound
[11:10]  * gnomefreak waiting for g/f to get out of shower
[11:10] <asac> gnomefreak: no ... i mean general flash issues if you are running nspluginwrapper
[11:10] <gnomefreak> oh im not running nspluginwrapper since its not "needed" on 32bit
[11:10] <gnomefreak> i can test it when i get home
[11:11] <gnomefreak> if i get out of here sometime this year
[14:39] <asac> Jazzva: fta: ok topic one of today will be "packaging a new ubufox release" ;)
[14:40] <asac> then i try to be innovative ... maybe writing a webbrowser with xulrunner ;)
[14:40] <Jazzva> asac, ouch... I forgot about that :(
[14:40] <Jazzva> When is it?
[14:40] <asac> 19 UTC
[14:40] <Jazzva> I won't make it... I'm presenting my project at 18:15 UTC
[14:40] <asac> sure ... maybe lurk ;)
[14:41] <asac> good luck ;)
[14:41] <Jazzva> Well, if I can stay at comp. center at school... I should finish by 19UTC
[14:41] <Jazzva> asac, thanks, I'm gonna need it. I'm scared of bugs that I didn't notice, and there is a probability there are some...
[14:41] <Jazzva> :)
[14:42] <asac> Jazzva: in class presentation nobody has problems with things not working ;)
[14:42] <asac> at least thats my experience
[14:42] <asac> what matters is that the talk absorbs them ;)
[14:42] <asac> crashing prototypes can even be good to get some fun into it ;)
[14:42] <Jazzva> Not a class presentation... I'm presenting it to teacher's assistant, and then I get points on it... usually it's either 0, or 20... nothing in between
[14:42] <Jazzva> :)
[14:43] <asac> ok. i wouldnt be too scared;)
[14:43] <asac> though a little tension is good to get high-performance ;)
[14:43] <Jazzva> Anyway... sorry for not mentioning this earlier... I was busy working on it, so I forgot about everything else
[14:43] <Jazzva> little? heh :)
[14:44] <Jazzva> good luck with the presentation... I'll try to come if I can :)
[14:44] <Jazzva> at least to lurk :)
[14:44] <asac> Jazzva: then join #ubuntu-classroom now ;)
[14:44] <Jazzva> now?
[14:44] <asac> Jazzva: well. otherwise you will forget and cannot look ;)
[14:44] <Jazzva> Isn't it at 19:00 utc?
[14:44] <asac> at least that would happen to me ;)
[14:45] <Jazzva> I won't be at home ... I'll be at school :)
[14:45] <asac> ah. thought you have your IRC running at home
[14:45] <Jazzva> most of the time, yes... :)
[14:45] <Jazzva> ah... I can read backlog then :)... easier than looking at logs on the net
[14:46] <Jazzva> off to finish writing the documentation for this project :)
[14:46] <Jazzva> have fun :)
[15:11] <fta2> asac, sorry, i'm not much into this those days, I'm having a hard time at work (heavy load). I hope i could clear this up in a week or so
[15:12] <asac> fta2: that was just for your interest anyway ;)
[15:12] <asac> not like a request for help :)
[15:14] <fta2> asac, i don't want to give the impression that i'm no longer interested, I am, i'm just able to contribute less than usual but it is temporary
[15:14] <asac> fta2: thats all fine. you are doing a lot of work
[15:14] <asac> even when you dont have time ;)
[15:15] <asac> lets hope its temporary ;)
[15:17] <fta2> i take on my night hours, maybe too much, my body reminds me it needs more sleep :P
[15:17] <fta2> meeting in 15 min; i need to move. cu++
[16:10] <bdmurray> asac: somebody talked to you aboug bug 262693 yesterday right?
[16:11] <bdmurray> I was wondering if it was a duplicate of something or if we can close some other tasks on it
[16:42] <asac> bdmurray: looking
[16:44] <asac> bdmurray: adjusted stati properly
[16:45] <bdmurray> stati - heh
[16:45] <bdmurray> asac: thanks
[16:45] <asac> bdmurray: i changed my mail filters
[16:45] <asac> i wont see anything i am not subscribed to atm
[16:45] <asac> i will also include triaged and in progress in that mailbox
[16:46] <asac> but i want to ramp up step by step instead of busting my mailbox making even that approach void
[16:46] <asac> bdmurray: so to summon me just subscribe me to bugs
[16:46] <asac> this will make me appear quite instantly
[16:46] <bdmurray> asac: okay, thanks for letting me know
[16:47] <asac> oh ... assigned bugs i will see too ;)
[16:47] <bdmurray> By the way do you know of any tools to validate /etc/network/interface files?
[16:47] <asac> bdmurray: syntactically?
[16:47] <bdmurray> Yes
[16:47] <asac> bdmurray: what use case?
[16:47] <asac> otherwise ifupdown should complain i guess ;)
[16:48] <asac> we have a parser in network-manager which could be used to make a verifier out of it
[16:48] <bdmurray> To check the files attached to bug reports
[16:48] <bdmurray> Alberto wrote one for xorg.conf and I've hooked it up to python-launchpad-bugs
[16:48] <asac> bdmurray: i think the most frequent problems are not syntax problems, but semantical problems
[16:48] <asac> which are really hard to detect
[16:50] <bdmurray> Okay, I was trying to think of other files attached to bug reports that might benefit from a similar process
[16:51] <bdmurray> asac: I could query the database for all the 'interfaces' files so we could get an idea of how many have syntactic errors though
[17:16] <asac> bdmurray: ill think about it
[21:33] <kaaloo1> asac: ok here I am, would you like to give me some pointers now ?  That way I can work a bit on something this we
[21:34] <kaaloo1> asac: The DistributedDevelopment project is so ambitious, its pretty mind blowing
[21:36] <asac> kaaloo1: agreed
[21:36] <asac> ill be off in a few. but to give you the pointers lets look at ... hmm ... gnash :)
[21:37] <asac> kaaloo1: the gnash full-source ubuntu tree is: lp:~gnash/gnash/ubuntu/
[21:37] <asac> most likely the other plugins wont have a bzr tree.
[21:37] <kaaloo1> asac: it doesn't work for me, I installed the gnash plugin but I don't see it
[21:37] <asac> but the changes are similar
[21:37] <asac> kaaloo1: true
[21:37] <asac> thats what we need to change ;)
[21:37] <kaaloo1> asac: :)
[21:37] <asac> kaaloo1: you probably have flashplugin-nonfree installed?
[21:38] <kaaloo1> asac: ok sounds cool then, yes I do
[21:38] <asac> kaaloo1: so the old way how plugins were managed is by using alternatives
[21:38] <asac> have you heard of update-alternatives?
[21:38] <kaaloo1> asac: yes, I've used it to switch java implementations
[21:39] <asac> ok basically alternatives are links created by the admin user that are system wide
[21:39] <asac> for instance:
[21:39] <asac> all flah plugins use:
[21:39] <asac> /usr/lib/xulrunner-addons/plugins/flashplugin-alternative.so
[21:39] <asac> look add ls -l /usr/lib/xulrunner-addons/plugins/flashplugin-alternative.so
[21:40] <asac> it points to /etc/alternatives/xulrunner-addons-flashplugin
[21:40] <asac> so the alternative name is "xulrunner-addons-flashplugin"
[21:40] <asac> so in the old model when you wanted to use gnash instead of adobe you would do:
[21:40] <asac> sudo update-alternatives --config xulrunner-addons-flashplugin
[21:40] <kaaloo1> asac: right
[21:41] <asac> the new model wants to eliminate that alternative
[21:41] <asac> well. actually for some reasons we want to keep it, but we want to install all plugins also in firefox-addons/plugins
[21:41] <kaaloo1> asac: wow there are a bunch of bad links in my /etc/alternatives
[21:41] <asac> why not xulrunner-addons? because there are applications that use xulrunner that dont have ubufox
[21:42] <asac> and thus we want to keep the option to switch the plugin through alternatives
[21:42] <asac> let me check something ;)
[21:42] <asac> kaaloo1: did you branch the gnash branch?
[21:43] <kaaloo1> asac: not yet, give me a sec
[21:44] <kaaloo1> asac:ok
[21:44] <kaaloo1> asac:oh wow not much in there ok, sounds like what we did for ubufox
[21:45] <kaaloo1> asac: I see a post install script that calls update-alternatives for the different browsers
[21:46] <asac> kaaloo1: right.
[21:46] <asac> kaaloo1: so what we want (afaict) is to keep that
[21:46] <asac> as it is
[21:46] <asac> on top we want to add a link
[21:46] <kaaloo1> asac: ok
[21:47] <asac> the link should point to /usr/lib/firefox-addons/extensions/ubufox\@ubuntu.com/plugins/
[21:47] <asac> kaaloo1: so for gnash ... create a mozilla-plugin-gnash.links file
[21:47] <asac> (look at klash.links)
[21:48] <asac> kaaloo1: oh
[21:48] <asac> if there is no changelog entry with UNRELEASED in debian/changelog
[21:48] <kaaloo1> asac:ok, didn't know it could be done that way
[21:48] <asac> it means that the tree is "closed"
[21:48] <asac> so as a first commit open it up
[21:48] <asac> like:
[21:48] <asac> dch -i -DUNRELEASED
[21:48] <kaaloo1> asac:closed because of a feature freeze ?
[21:48] <asac> and then commit with "* open tree for packaging" or something
[21:49] <asac> kaaloo1: no ... because when the topmost changelog has "intrepid" or "hardy"
[21:49] <asac> that means that the commit you are looking at is a commit that was uploaded
[21:49] <asac> so good practice is to create the changelog entry like above
[21:49] <asac> to open the tree
[21:49] <kaaloo1> asac:ok but I dos see an UNRELEASED as the first changelog entry
[21:49] <asac> (close doesnt really mean: closed until someone approves it to be opened)
[21:49] <asac> kaaloo1: which version is taht?
[21:50] <asac> kaaloo1: yeah right.
[21:50] <asac> then the tree is open
[21:50] <asac> and you can just add your changes to the changelog
[21:50] <asac> kaaloo1: usually you mark your changelog entries with:
[21:50] <kaaloo1> ok I'll try it
[21:50] <asac> [ you name <youremail@something.tld> ]
[21:50] <asac> e.g.
[21:51] <asac> [ you name <youremail@something.tld> ]
[21:51] <asac>   * change 1
[21:51] <asac>   * change 2
[21:51] <asac> kaaloo1: and remember to use debcommit ... which does magic things in case you close a bug in changelog
[21:51] <asac> (which you probably dont do right here ;))
[21:51] <asac> but anyway :)
[21:53] <kaaloo1> asac: right, I followed the packaging course on you tube, and I did some work on the groovy package, I learned about LP: and Closes:
[21:53] <kaaloo1> asac: Thanks a lot !!  I will do that then and push it on lp so you can review it
[21:55] <asac> kaaloo1: rock on!
[22:21] <Jazzva> sort of back... RMI thing that worked here didn't woork at school... so I have to fix it by 15th september.
[22:21] <Jazzva> asac, how did the presentation go? :)
[22:23] <asac> Jazzva: quite well ;)
[22:23] <asac> given that i was completely underprepared at least ;)
[22:23] <asac> i talked again too long about mozillateam in intro
[22:23] <asac> so we didnt get to writing a quick xul webbrowser
[22:24] <Jazzva> oh, well...
[22:24] <Jazzva> good that it went quite well... I'm gonna look at the backlog
[22:24] <asac> what didnt work about RMI?
[22:25] <Jazzva> asac, dunno... since it worked here. so I was shocked :)
[22:25] <asac> any exception?
[22:25] <Jazzva> asac, sorry... I was a bit off for a moment
[22:26] <Jazzva> yeah, client-side reports it can't locate the stub class
[22:26] <asac> so a ClassNotFoundException?
[22:26] <Jazzva> mhm
[22:27] <Jazzva> it happened on my computer
[22:27] <Jazzva> i'm not sure if passing java.rmi.server.codebase to jvm helped, but it seemed to work after that
[22:27] <Jazzva> but that didn't work at the school
[22:28] <Jazzva> and the TA said that java.rmi.server.codebase shouldn't solve that, and that it should work without it, too... so, i got confused :)
[22:28] <asac> Jazzva: is it a classnotfoundexception or something else?
[22:28] <Jazzva> it's a ClassNotFoundException...
[22:29] <Jazzva> well, first it reports UnmarshalledException (I think), and says that it was prodused by ClassNotFoundException
[22:29] <asac> Jazzva: same jre version?
[22:29] <Jazzva> no... I have 1.6.0_07, at school it's 1.6.0
[22:30] <Jazzva> but that shouldn't really matter... it only differs in subversion
[22:30] <asac> right
[22:31] <Jazzva> it also might be that I didn't know how to point to java.rmi.server.codebase at the server-side
[22:31] <asac> Jazzva: quite some time since i used it, but for me it was quite simple
[22:31] <Jazzva> (if that actually matters)
[22:31] <asac> and i cannot remember java.rmi.server.codebase ever being used
[22:31] <Jazzva> here it was file:///home/sasa/blabla/code
[22:31] <asac> Jazzva: what you need is to have the stub classes in a jar that is in classpath
[22:32] <Jazzva> lemme check that
[22:32] <asac> Jazzva: do you dynamically want to download the stubs?
[22:32] <asac> thats the only purpose i can find of that property
[22:32] <asac> i doubt that you want that
[22:32] <Jazzva> I'm not sure :)
[22:33] <asac> i doubt that you want that
[22:33] <asac> Jazzva: what you want is to use rmic to produce stubs and skels
[22:34] <asac> and include the stubs in the -client.jar
[22:34] <asac> and the skels in the -server.jar
[22:34] <asac> but maybe thats toooo old fashioned ;)
[22:35] <Jazzva> I'll play with it a bit...
[22:35] <Jazzva> I'll go to school these days and to try to make it work there... to see what's the problem :)
[22:36] <Jazzva> thanks for the suggestions :)
[22:36] <asac> Jazzva: my gues its a firewall issue or something
[22:36] <asac> most likely the download of the stub doesnt work there
[22:36] <asac> because your client cannot find the server
[22:36] <asac> are you using rmiregistry?
[22:37] <asac> to discover the server?
[22:38] <Jazzva> yep
[22:38] <Jazzva> well, I don't run rmiregistry, but call Registry.newRegistry() (I think that's the method)
[22:38] <Jazzva> but it does the same as the call of rmiregistry
[22:39] <asac> Jazzva: yes. rmiregistries are either contacted explicitly or they are found through network broadcast
[22:39] <asac> if network broadcast doesnt work it wont work
[22:40] <Jazzva> hmm, I would say this was explicitly. I called Registry.newRegistry() on server-side, and Registry.locateRegistry(host) on client-side
[22:41] <asac> ok
[22:41] <asac> and java.rmi.server.codebase on server side?
[22:41] <Jazzva> it might be the firewell...
[22:41] <Jazzva> *firewall
[22:41] <asac> Jazzva: did you try on the same host?
[22:42] <Jazzva> nope... but I think that at sometime TA mentioned something about the ports we're allowed to use
[22:43] <Jazzva> anyway, I'll sort it out somehow :)
[22:45] <asac> Jazzva: try on local host
[22:45] <Jazzva> on local host it works...
[22:45] <asac> and tell the TA to stop wasting your time ;)
[22:45] <Jazzva> lol :)
[22:46] <Jazzva> I also tried last night with a friend... and it worked, too
[22:46] <asac> ask him why this excersize is about proving him that rmi works
[22:46] <asac> no need to show that it works on different  hosts
[22:46] <Jazzva> (on the internet)
[22:46] <asac> just painful and wastes time ;)
[22:46] <Lns> Wow, a chan just for Ubuntu Mozilla folk?
[22:46] <Lns> :)
[22:46] <asac> Jazzva: well. then its certainly a port issue in the network
[22:47] <asac> Lns: yes. people feel offended by good crack ;)
[22:47] <Jazzva> asac, I suppose... I'm almost sure that he said once we can use only five ports...
[22:47] <Lns> asac: .....ok
[22:47] <Jazzva> but not in this exam term... I'll have to see
[22:47]  * Lns runs away
[22:47] <asac> Jazzva: tweak the rmi port then
[22:47] <asac> Jazzva: should just be a -D on both sides
[22:47] <Jazzva> -D?
[22:47] <Jazzva> I think i can just do
[22:47] <asac> Lns: whats up?
[22:48] <Jazzva> newRegistry(port)
[22:48] <Lns> Can anyone comment on this bug I just filed? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=453704
[22:48] <Jazzva> locateRegistry(host, port) :)
[22:48] <asac> Jazzva: well. registry is one thing
[22:48] <asac> Jazzva: rmi is a different thing
[22:48] <Jazzva> ah... right :)
[22:48] <asac> Jazzva: the registry is not the same transport and might hav a different port
[22:48] <Jazzva> right, it's logical :)
[22:49] <asac> well i am not 100% sure both ports just match
[22:49] <asac> by default
[22:49] <asac> but better ensure that
[22:49] <Jazzva> I think I'll ask the TA about that :)
[22:50] <Jazzva> to check for ports
[22:50] <Lns> asac: I've basically got the issue outlined in the bug URL.. it's horrible... I don't want to think what these people are starting to think about Linux in general..they're all new users :(
[22:51] <Lns> Basically trying to find as many people as possible to tell my issue to, and found this chan while searching freenode chan list..thought I'd bug you all about it too :)
[22:53] <asac> Lns: ill ask someone who might know something
[22:53] <Lns> asac: thank you so much
[22:53] <fta> http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2008/09/update-to-google-chromes-terms-of.html
[22:53] <asac> yeah
[22:53] <asac> got that
[22:54] <Jazzva> fta, read it today...
[22:54] <asac> Lns: is everyone using a different profile?
[22:54] <asac> or a different user?
[22:54] <Lns> asac: yes, all different users
[22:54] <Lns> all different thin clients
[22:54] <asac> so every user has a distinct account?
[22:54] <asac> ok
[22:54] <Lns> asac: that is correct
[22:55] <asac> Lns: does ltsp meant hat all user share the same x-server?
[22:55] <asac> or is there one x server running per-user?
[22:55] <Lns> asac: there is a central LTSP server - the X "Server" (in traditional X sense) runs on each thin-client.
[22:57] <asac> Lns: so does the server load peek while users are trying to open ffox?
[22:57] <Lns> But user sessions are completely separate. I should note that this is a new issue with Firefox 3 under Hardy (Gutsy+FF2 worked fine).
[22:57] <Lns> asac: yes
[22:57] <asac> oris the server idle all the time
[22:58] <Lns> asac: it peaks pretty badly, and even after it's loaded on some clients, sitting idle at start.ubuntu.com, each process will take ~30-60% CPU
[22:58] <Lns> (on the LTSP server which runs Firefox obviously)
[22:59] <asac> ok. i asked our ltsp guy. maybe its just a setup thing. its the first time i hear about something like that
[22:59] <asac> so chances are good (i would say)
[23:00] <Lns> asac: ok - :) What do you mean it's a setup thing though?
[23:02] <asac> i wouldnt need to ask anyone if i knew that
[23:02]  * Lns laughs
[23:02] <Lns> ok
[23:03] <asac> well. that guy is in the same timezone as i am so mos tlikely he will reply tomorrow. so bug me in 12 hours ... i might need more then
[23:04] <Lns> asac: ok.. my wife is about to go into labor in the next day or so...so is it possible you can /msg me your e-mail?
[23:04] <asac> unlikely that i will remember that
[23:05] <asac> i have too much things that slip through already. i learned that promissing such things always comes back badly
[23:05] <asac> just poll on me ...
[23:05] <asac> @time berlin
[23:05] <Lns> ok i'll make a point to get back to you here
[23:05] <asac> thats the timezone we are in (me and ltsp guy) ... so if you come earlier we will figure that out
[23:05] <asac> cu then
[23:06] <Jazzva> hmm... I always wondered...
[23:06] <Jazzva> @time belgrade
[23:06] <Lns> ok..thx a bunch asac i appreciate it
[23:06] <Jazzva> ooooh :)
[23:06] <Lns> @time california
[23:07] <Lns> :p
[23:07] <Lns> @time pst
[23:07] <asac> why would california have a time? ;)
[23:07] <Jazzva> @time san francisco
[23:07] <Lns> i wish we didn't heh
[23:07] <Lns> time is an illusion anyway, there's no such thing
[23:07] <asac> @time Los_Angeles
[23:07] <Lns> aahhh
[23:07] <asac> hah ;)
[23:07] <asac> so california is clearly dominated by los angeles
[23:08] <asac> @time mountain view
[23:08] <Jazzva> no mountain view
[23:08] <asac> i guess at sometime it that will become UTC ;)
[23:08] <Jazzva> I checked the list... I was surprised there is no SF, nor MV... I thought they were more techie than LA
[23:09] <asac> Jazzva: i really think that list isnt assembles for the sake of matching techies ;)
[23:09] <Jazzva> well... I though SF and MV would be on the list :)
[23:10] <asac> SF has like 200k inhabitants ;)
[23:10] <asac> MV maybe 1k ;)
[23:10] <Jazzva> only 200k?
[23:10] <asac> just a guess
[23:10] <asac> The City and County of San Francisco is the fourth most populous city in California and the 14th most populous city in the United States, with a 2007 estimated population of 764,976
[23:11] <asac> funny that the estimated number goes into the last digit for precision ;)
[23:11] <Jazzva> heh :)
[23:12] <asac> at the time of the estimation we had 764,976.7566  citizens
[23:13] <Jazzva> I would like to meet that 0.7566 citizen :)
[23:13]  * Jazzva doesn't like statistics and similar stuff too much :)
[23:13] <asac> i guess half of that are childs currently being born and the rest mexican immigrants that are still vading through the desert
[23:13] <asac> all sum up to 2.7566
[23:18] <asac> lets see if chromium finally builds here ;)
[23:20] <asac> interesint that chromium doesnt require any X libs
[23:20] <asac> http://dev.chromium.org/developers/how-tos/build-instructions-linux