[00:19] (-offtopic) [01:18:31] it forewards me to #ubuntu-read-topic, which tells me to go to this link which tells me to change to port 8001, which i am already connected through and then it tells me to join #ubuntu-ops and they said they have to do sumthin and i still cant connect [00:20] he's banforwarded indeed [00:20] but isn't in the floodbots' quarantine [00:20] is there any specific reason, or? [00:25] the forward was set by FloodBot3 according to the tracker [00:25] quite true [00:25] yet he's not in bot1's list [00:25] and i can't see him in the other ones', either [00:25] unless "victims" is lying to me [02:12] LjL: yep, noticed the same when he was here trying to get unbanned before [04:21] locke, how may we assist you [04:25] bazhang: He's on time out [04:26] Flannel, thought he was supposed to come back in a week; is he exempt from the no idle policy in here? [04:26] bazhang: no, he's not. He's bf'd here. [04:26] so, he should't be here. [04:27] thanks for clearing that up Flannel [04:29] and yes, he's supposed to not be here for a week. But I imagine he doesn't know he's here. that banforward ought to be turned into a regular ban. [04:29] bazhang, it auto-joined me here because I'm banned from ubuntu-offtopic for a week [04:30] i'll leave [04:30] locke: thankee. [04:30] np [04:30] locke: we'll see about getting that forward removed too. [05:37] banforwards are so you can talk to whomever you forward about whatever it was you banned them for - and then remove the forward [05:37] nalioth: Right, the talk happened earlier today [05:37] mmm, 14 hours ago [05:40] banforwards to here, anyway [05:41] right. It needs to be just a plain ban, he's apparently supposed to wait a week before coming back [05:46] if you banforward to ##fix_your_connection, you need to sit in there and wait for your peeps to come out of their dive [05:49] heh, LimCore is informing ##php how crap php is [05:53] blah [05:54] wols needs a "dont be a dick" nudge. [05:56] Flannel: he needs more than a nudge [05:56] elky_work: yeah, well, I was trying to be polite :) [05:57] Flannel: dont be shy to kick him. he'll sulk for a day or two, then come back [05:59] elky_work: last night M--i and a few others were contemplating inviting him here and talking, instead of just kicking. Since assuming he's been kicked in the past, it obviously isn't working. [06:03] Flannel: talking doesnt work, especially not if some of the mediation team is in #debian, as he ignores the talking and trolls you in the other channel [06:03] elky_work: Thanks for the warning then. [06:04] you can try, but in my experience it's just a frustrating waste of time [06:05] sounds good === FlannelK1ng is now known as Flannel [06:28] stupid ISP [06:29] decides to go offline just long enough for irssi to timeout, plus a few seconds [07:37] In ubottu, unop said: alternate is The Alternate CD is a classical text-mode install CD. It supports a wider range of hardware than the !LiveCD, and can also be used as an upgrade CD. Look for the alternate checkbox on the Ubuntu download page - See also !minimal - Torrent at http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.04/ubuntu-8.04.1-alternate-i386.iso.torrent [07:37] he's so slow [07:37] !-alternate [07:37] alternate aliases: alternate cd, alternatecd, alternetive, alternative, alt - added by apokryphos on 2006-06-18 16:31:48 - last edited by Flannel on 2008-09-04 06:36:39 [07:38] alternetive, eh? Interesting misspelling [07:53] !alt [07:53] The Alternate CD is a classical text-mode install CD. It supports a wider range of hardware than the !LiveCD, and can also be used as an upgrade CD. Look for the alternate checkbox on the Ubuntu download page - See also !minimal - Torrent at http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.04.1/ubuntu-8.04.1-alternate-i386.iso.torrent [08:00] that should be "classic", not classical, imho [08:01] it's very soothing though. [08:01] but, yes [08:01] !alternate =~ #classical#classic# [08:01] I'll remember that Flannel [08:02] sorry ubot5 [08:25] I need new set of nerves, a wig and alphabet building blocks. [08:25] I've lost old my old nerves, pulled all my hair out and I've spelled things to people so many times the letters on the old building blocks are worn out. [08:26] i need one nerve fixed than ill be happy [08:26] I honestly think I might just some day kill a colleague of mine. [08:26] oh and someone else writing these scripts would be great [08:26] Myrtti: *hugs* [08:27] I'm just so tired of telling things to him in so detailed way it would be easier for me to do them myself [08:27] bwah. [08:28] atleast now I feel very calm about this. [08:28] I just had a licorice ice cream popsicle [08:28] nomnomnom [08:28] that sounds good, ive never seen them or heard of them [08:30] gnomefreak: be glad... they are horrible... (IMHO) [08:31] im glad than ;) [08:31] http://www.pingviini.fi/img/product.php?id=206 [08:31] You kind of have to be finnish to eat those... [08:32] the name is muru? [08:32] * Myrtti shoves a spoonful of Marmite into jussi01s mouth [08:32] * gnomefreak thinks that isnt sold in the US [08:33] vanilla ice cream with licorice/ammoniumchloride filling and glaze with teeny crisps [08:33] the crisps are why it's called "Muru" [08:33] for "crumbs" [08:35] also: NEWSFLASH! I'm Finnish [08:35] mmmmm marmite [08:36] * nalioth just ordered a 2.5kg pail of vegemite [08:39] nalioth: you can buy them that big? o.0? [08:40] * jussi01 has a big jar of vegemite at home... [08:42] bwah. I should go put my groceries into fridge [08:45] yes, yes you should [08:46] meh [08:46] and make coffee. [08:46] don't put the coffee pot in the fridge [08:47] jussi01: http://www.everythingaustralian.com/ve2tubainst.html [08:47] 2.5kg is about 5 pounds to you non-metric-system-users out there [08:48] but how many slugs is that? [08:48] is that icecream? [08:48] gnomefreak: no.... [08:49] oh [08:49] vegemite [08:49] think... soy sauce, but a paste form. [08:49] nah, soy sauce tastes better [08:49] yeah see that but i thought it was a term from another country for icecream [08:49] nalioth: its a pretty decent analogy though, better than trying to describe vegemite [08:50] gnomefreak: you have never heard the band 'men at work' ? [08:50] nalioth: nope [08:50] gnomefreak: you'll get made a vegemite sandwich [08:50] saw the movie years ago [08:50] gnomefreak: come out from under your rock, dude [08:50] gnomefreak: not a movie at all [08:50] * Flannel notes its likely on youtube [08:50] 'men at work' is an australian band [08:51] long before the movie [08:51] nalioth: it was with charlie sheen and emilo estivase (spelling is off) [08:51] gnomefreak: i konw the movie. this isn't related whatsoever [08:51] ah [08:51] gnomefreak: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNT7uZf7lew [08:52] i will have a lot of vegemite sandwiches with a 2.5kg pail of it . . . [08:53] well now i see why it was blacklisted. i cant hear sound other than a ping [08:53] can someone check in on #u and give me an opinion of clarence_? purposefully annoying? or just totally nescient? [08:53] blacklist snd_pcsp [08:54] wrong channel i would say [08:54] Flannel: clarence_ is most likely an ESL person [08:54] other than that its hard to tell [08:54] nalioth: Right, I have no problem with the language issue, just the lack of... two way communication at times [08:54] ESL = english as a 2nd language [08:55] well, lots of folks learn english from books and _only_ use it in the classroom while they're learning it [08:55] wouldn't that be E2L? ;) [08:55] Flannel: i'm not in charge of etymology [08:56] anyway, those folks who learn english but never use it outsdie of a classroom can seem 'weird' [08:56] gah. I really don't want to suggest ##C [08:56] as much as ##C is a better place topically, they'd tear him apart. [08:57] eh he wants to learn i figured that is best place apart from reading [08:57] lots of people in there [08:57] Hopefully he'll catch them at a better time. And someone will direct him to the appropriate subchannel [08:58] maybe -ot? [08:58] gnomefreak: From what I remember, ##C is worse than ##C++, and theres little more than "we don't do XYZ here, because thats a third party library" or rtfm [08:58] -ot might be better, yeah. [08:58] oh [08:59] you know what really bugs me out with the edge.launchpad? [09:00] not sure -ot will help since its so early [09:00] the DAMNED google map isn't https. [09:01] Myrtti: known bug. [09:01] gnomefreak: Its usually alright. Get an earful of something, if not perfect C help. [09:01] im a little bit with C but not a whole lot sincei havent used it in years [09:02] jpds: known bug or known feature? 'cause I have to press "Yes I'm sure I want to load this page even if the people responsible for it didn't put all content in https" *every* *goddamned* *time* [09:04] i dont get that message [09:04] sure [09:04] you're not using epiphany [09:04] I am [09:04] Myrtti: It's a bug, surprising I've never had the confirmation box popup for me. [09:04] nope not atm [09:04] Ah, I use Firefox. :) [09:05] i use ff3.0.1 and ff3.1 [09:05] and 4 [09:05] and I've not used ff since hardy came out [09:05] good thing its not a xul problem [09:06] epiphany blows. firefox blows harder ( amazing that it started out as a leaner version of the mozilla browswer, and now it's more bloated than the seamonkey browser ) [09:06] * Myrtti nods [09:06] try prism ;) [09:06] lolz [09:07] but http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=548993 makes baby seals cry [09:07] Gnome bug 548993 in gdk "regression: gdk 2.13 leaves stray windows in certain cases" [Major,New] [09:07] honest! [09:08] * gnomefreak takes a break [09:29] * ikonia steps in [09:36] i hate when they do that. they leave before i can type the answer [09:47] whut! screen is compiled withou --enable-nethack? [09:47] BLASPHEMY! [09:47] nethack the game? [09:47] * nalioth is lost [09:50] 11:20 <@Renter> You cannot escape from window 7! [09:50] 11:20 <@Renter> The screen cannot be found. It has probably been eaten by a grue. [09:50] 11:28 <@Renter> {"Cannot lock terminal - fork failed", "Cannot fork terminal - lock failed"}, [09:50] 11:29 <@Renter> {"Detach aborted.", "The blast of disintegration whizzes by you!"}, [09:50] :-D [09:51] KEKEKEKE [10:05] no nethack-gnome? ;___; [10:31] * Myrtti kicks planet ubuntu [10:31] work dammit [10:40] ;__; it doesn't work [10:40] mommy! [10:52] if pulling wols over for a discussion is useless, what can we do then? [10:52] ban him? ask CC to mediate? poke jono? [10:53] can we poke jono anyway? [10:56] Myrtti, you can try all avenues, but it will only end up in him getting banned in the end [10:57] I'd like to make a strong case before banning him [10:58] Myrtti, while you do that, he continues. [11:00] the case is already written in the #ubuntu logs anyway [11:03] hmm [11:03] 2008-09-04 13:03:11 [11:06] Myrtti, huh? [11:06] nothing, rewriting my aliases [11:07] * Dave2 . o O ( Waiting for 30 mins time? ) [11:08] ah [11:08] what's in 30 mins? [11:21] 13:37 [11:25] yup [11:25] it's Dave2s obsession [11:28] !trash [11:28] The location of Trash has changed in 8.04, it is now located in ~/.local/share/Trash | Looking for the trash in previous versions: ~/.Trash [11:28] Myrtti: that and goats [11:29] true ^ [11:29] right, time to try and convince the doctor to give me stuff [11:29] back in a bit [11:49] so do you think another person talking with wols would be helpful or might make things worse? [11:54] well, I've been told that I appear to frequently part #ubuntu-ops if difficult discussions are going on, so I don't think I'm suitable person to talk with him. ._____. [11:54] heh [11:55] I didn't particularly find that quote funny, but there it is, and it's better to act as we are expected to than to surprise anyone. -______- [11:55] not laughing. [11:55] just think it is so far off the mark as to be laughable. [11:56] * Myrtti waves to the audience "HI THERE, PEOPLE READING LOGS!" [11:56] more coffee [11:56] who's reading logs now ? [11:56] ikonia: did you honestly think no-one is reading them? [11:56] of course they are [11:56] that [11:56] I know people reading them [11:56] 's the fourth wall [11:56] people read them in general [11:57] sorry, sarcasm and irony are too stuck on me today [12:00] these logs are so boring :/ [12:00] that's why I try to make them funnier [12:01] people who are intrested enough to read them should have *something* funny in their lives [12:06] anyone who reads these logs "just because" needs to get out more [12:11] too bad the logs don't show the behaviour I'm frequently having since they strip joins and parts. [12:11] *SOBSOB* [12:23] In ubottu, Masterweb said: dude this is way too much documentation - I don [12:23] ubottu: tell Masterweb about bot [12:30] grrr [12:33] 05:51:14 cbx333: you are very very slow too, since you're unable to grasp a simple question [12:33] wols: Do you see anything wrong with this? [12:34] 11:48 < wols> cbx333: what videocard? [12:34] and I only got the answer after above statement. [12:35] if you don't like what I say, you're free to do whatever you want. good day [12:35] [13:33:59] I am in my WEBCAM enters and we spoke. Kisses! WWW.AZAFATA.COM.AR [12:36] hmm [12:40] fyi: I'm still in #xubuntu [12:43] should I? [12:44] no [12:44] we'll see how he behaves there [12:53] he seems to be trying to provoke a kick from there by telling you he is there [12:53] I don't mind him being there [12:54] he'll get a kick though faster than you can say "weasel" if he is being naughty though [12:54] Myrtti, he'll play coy for a bit first, now that he knows we mean business. [12:55] * Nafallo says weasel [12:55] stop highlighting the poor wea sel [13:12] In ubottu, morningwalker said: wow, this is amazing... [13:28] wow [13:30] hm? [13:30] Nothing, just a late reaction to ubottu. [14:09] wth [14:10] anyone know enough german to know if "ScheissDroge1" is offensive in german? [14:10] scheiss is sh.. [14:13] Dry sh** according to google [14:14] masteredu has an issue with it, sheissDroge says it means stupid drugs [14:14] it most likely does [14:14] if it were dry shit, it would have the adjective before the noun just like in english [14:14] still, "stupid" is not quite the literal translation of "scheiss" [14:16] any issues with "shit drugs" as nick? [14:16] *shrug* [14:16] or "shitty drugs" I guess [14:17] Maverus keeps asking me 'take op?' in a pm, I have no idea what hes on about. [14:18] he's the turkish person right? [14:18] Yes. [14:18] tsk [14:18] which turkish person? [14:18] Maverus [14:18] he's also in gentoo's -ops [14:18] yes, what about him [14:18] What I just said above. [14:20] Pici: ok... but when jrib says "he's the turkish person right?", that makes me suspect there's been previous issues with them [14:20] LjL: No, hes just in #ubuntu saying things in very broken english. [14:20] should I ask him? [14:20] in PM [14:21] he's doing the same with the gentoo guys [14:21] half turkish half broken english [14:21] he is already in -tr [14:21] Are they confused too? [14:21] quite [14:21] well [14:21] they're never really confused [14:21] they're gentoo people [14:21] * jrib hopes the shitty drug issue just goes away [14:26] I think I finally figured out what Maverus wanted. [14:27] oh? [14:27] The ops of #ubuntu-tr, I gave him the /msg chanserv access #ubuntu-tr list command [14:27] oh. [14:27] Yeah, it took a while. [14:27] weird coincidence he'd have a problem with the gentoo ops too, though [14:28] I wonder if he just happened to be in #gentoo and just ended up being pointed to their ops channel when he was asking about 'ops' [14:28] [15:27:55] You must feel so cool now. Maybe next time address the trolls before they piss me off. [14:28] [15:28:14] if you have complaints, #ubuntu-ops is available [14:28] [15:28:22] okey [14:28] So why would you kick me? [14:29] being offtopic and cursing for one HNSZ [14:29] HNSZ: because, after being told to check your attitude (and language) and to bring offtopic discussion to #ubuntu-offtopic, you ignored both parts of the advice [14:32] My complaint is: I ask if someone knows anything about a certain topic. Twenty peopl just hurl themselves on me to tell how I should pose my questions. WHy don't you kick those everlasting trolls that never ever help someone but always are criticising people that ask question? So I got rude yes. I'm tired of having to go through the same damn ritual every time. It's just hollow memes and cliches. So unban me please. [14:33] I asked you to ask your next question, not twenty people [14:34] The reason being that time is often wasted with questions like those. Because often you will have someone who has used bitchx but have no clue how to answer your next question. Since you are really interested in the answer to the next question, you should just ask that [14:34] No you criticised a very normal check I did. I want to know if someone have anything to say on the topic before I ask a question. [14:34] HNSZ, i very highly doubt that bazhang and jrib are trolls [14:34] jrib: So you decide what I can and cannot ask?? [14:34] !anyone [14:34] A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..." Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out? [14:34] HNSZ: ^ the above is the reason why they told you that [14:34] I didn't criticize you. You misunderstand what I said if that's the case [14:34] #ubuntu is a channel with 1300 people on it [14:35] you don't just ask if anyone is using... anyone likes... [14:35] you ask support questions [14:35] like, "i have the following problem with bitchx: ..." [14:35] I wasn't attacking you in someway. I was telling you how to get better help [14:35] Again do YOU decide what I can and cannot ask?? [14:35] yes, we do. [14:36] And you don;t think that's unreasonable? [14:36] no, i don't. [14:36] we're the operators, we're responsible for keeping the channel on-topic and available for Ubuntu support questions and answers. [14:36] that involves setting guidelines on what the reasonable topics and questions are for the channel. [14:37] If you can justify what you do than I think you live in a very thick ego bubble. [14:37] you're entitled to your opinion. [14:37] anything else? [14:37] HNSZ, you were advised that there was an offtopic channel for chit chat. [14:38] LjL: Yes, you are an asshole unfit to be an admin I don't want to chat under your control [14:38] always a winning argument [14:39] @btlogin [14:40] LjL: are you up with the bansearch commands? Did you note that email? [14:41] jussi01: i know it exists, i don't know which email you're talking about, although i'd suspect the "new bantracker bot commands" thread would be it [14:41] :) [14:42] glad there is @mark [14:42] yep :) [14:42] Oh, that reminds me, I wanted to log a wishlist bug [14:42] *sigh* [14:42] Pici: you know where :) [14:42] Indeedy [14:43] Pici: curiousity, what is it? [14:44] jussi01: A web based factoid moderation queue [14:44] i want a factoid spellchecker [14:44] Pici: ahh, nice Idea - shouldnt be too hard I wouldnt think :) [14:44] that bans you if you misspell [14:44] rofl [14:46] did you ever notice the floodbots opping themselves repeatedly, when they're already opped? [14:46] No... but every once in a while they'll fight for setting +J/-J [14:47] that's pretty normal [14:47] but the #ubuntu-it bot consistently plays up that way [14:47] maybe its code wasn't updated to play nice with the new services... [14:48] but i've updated it now and i've already seen it doing it once [14:48] (the new services are a pain in the bottom anyway) [14:59] popey: 29 - #kubuntu: ban *!*@unaffiliated/fujisan [by ballard.freenode.net, 1405618 secs ago] [14:59] how come? [14:59] 3 - #kubuntu: ban *!*@115-54-215.ftth.xms.internl.net [by stdin!i=stdin@ubuntu/member/stdin, 462052 secs ago] [15:00] ubuntu member banned from ubuntu channel, whodathunkit [15:00] Bantracker would be the best place to ask. [15:00] * popey doesn't know how to access that :S [15:00] popey: Try: @login, then @btlogin [15:00] @login [15:00] The operation succeeded. [15:01] @btlogin [15:01] Error: You don't have the bantracker capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified. [15:01] I R identified [15:01] @login [15:01] The operation succeeded. [15:02] bantracker is more restricted than logging into the bot, but I could give you access [15:02] I'll vouch for popey. [15:02] thanks you Pici [15:02] Only this time though ;P [15:03] pici http://handbag.popey.com/ [15:03] popey: try now [15:03] @btlogin [15:04] you can "/msg ubottu list Bantracker" too see all the commands available in the tracker and then use "/msg ubottu help " to get some info on them [15:07] do I want to know the story behind the handbag? [15:07] its what gets waved about when someone is bitchy basically [15:07] quite an old meme [15:07] probably started by a TV programme called "Shooting Stars" [15:08] a-ha [15:08] I just wasn't going to ask... [15:08] whats the scores george doors [15:08] iranoooo [15:09] :) [15:09] I know a joke with a handbag full of 2 euro coins but it's not appropriate for this channel nor any other channel either [15:09] carry on [15:11] * popey hugs Myrtti [15:11] which ubuntu member got banned [15:11] my bad [15:11] they didnt [15:11] /ignore me [15:11] naughty popey [15:11] thought it was limcore [15:11] scaring us like that [15:11] heh [15:11] limcore is a member?! [15:11] @btlogin [15:11] :) [15:11] Pici: I was typing that [15:12] can't be [15:12] no comment [15:14] he doesn't wear a cloak [15:14] can't see him on the members website [15:14] He is not a member. [15:14] was a joke [15:14] ahhhh [15:14] oooh [15:14] what changes if one's a member? [15:15] world has collapset [15:15] collapsed [15:15] LjL: Well we have revoked at least one person's cloak in the past for bad behavior. [15:15] ah, sure. [15:47] LjL: I think its more a case of surprise if that user is a member because of his attitude and contribution [15:47] eg: you need to a.) get with the ubuntu approach and 2.) contibute - and if someone does neither it would be a shock if they had been accepted as a member, nothing "changes" more a case of just surprised people saw him as meeting the criteria [16:03] Dear Flash - PLEASE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE [16:03] br, Miia [16:05] wow fast [16:06] He was asking the same thing in #freenode earlier. [16:06] ah so [16:28] hi kids [16:28] hi Tm_T [16:29] * Tm_T hugs Myrtti [18:00] oh dear, could this be... [18:00]