[01:17] <ethana2> any word on alpha 5?
[01:17] <ethana2> i'm shaking with anticipation
[01:18] <jStefan> me too, is there where the alpha 5 release party is held? ... i hope they have cake
[01:19] <jStefan> s/there/this
[01:19] <ethana2> it's illegal to have release parties for alphas
[01:20] <jStefan> hmm, can we still have cake?
[01:21] <ethana2> the cake is a lie
[01:21] <jStefan> :(
[01:22] <ethana2> yeah, last time i actually got in on things with alpha 3, but this time around, the stable release supports my hardware
[01:22] <ethana2> i actually bought this dell with gutsy... inspiron 1420n
[01:23] <jStefan> i've been doing upgrades since: dapper - alpha5 (but it wasn't called alpha back then)
[01:24]  * RAOF misses the old "flight", "colony" and "knot".
[01:24]  * Jordan_U does too
[01:24] <jStefan> the same hard drive pretty much has switched systems like 3 times :P
[01:24] <Jordan_U> ethana2: Have you upgraded to Hardy?
[01:26] <ethana2> of course
[01:26] <Jordan_U> ethana2: Did / does everything still work OOTB ?
[01:26] <ethana2> i had some trouble with hibernate
[01:26] <ethana2> found out it was swapoff
[01:26] <ethana2> ;)
[01:27] <RAOF> Heh.  Don't we all ;)
[01:27] <ethana2> i expected my webcam to be more amazing..
[01:27]  * Jordan_U doesn't for the first time with this lappy !
[01:27] <ethana2> maybe they meant it was 2 million pixels per second or something
[01:27] <jStefan> i just recently found out why my usplash was going back to text mode (swap releated too)
[01:29] <jStefan> sometimes i feel i've been upgrading for so long that i have obsolete configs laying around
[01:29] <ethana2> i do clean installs out of paranoia
[01:29] <ethana2> i actually had to remove pulseaudio to get all my sound working
[01:30] <ethana2> it's not on this system at all
[01:30] <jStefan> i haven't done a clean install yet (since that dapper alpha)
[01:30] <ethana2> and i love pulseaudio, i was playing with it back on gutsy and maybe even fiesty..  I've used it as an intercom system, i've used it to split one desktop machine into a dual seat..
[01:31] <jStefan> but i have done a lot of purging of packages
[01:31] <Jordan_U> jStefan: I was going to ask, how many old kernels do you have lying around ? :)
[01:31] <jStefan> a maximum of 1 spare
[01:32] <jStefan> i get rid of the old ones once i know the new one boots
[01:54] <doggymenz> when is alpha5 announced?
[02:05] <lubosz> hi
[02:05] <lubosz> is there a estimated release date for alpha 5?
[02:06] <lubosz> i thought about trying the daily build
[02:06] <lubosz> todays
[02:06] <jStefan> afaik, estimated is today, but i dont know at which time of day
[02:07] <lubosz>     September 4th  was scheudled
[02:07] <lubosz> scheduled
[02:07] <lubosz> any recommendations for dual booting hardy and intrepid?
[02:07] <lubosz> will the setup overwrite my grub?
[02:08] <doggymenz> now is sep 5, and it still not out, i cry
[02:08] <jStefan> it's sept 4 here :P
[02:08] <doggymenz> im from sweden, we live in the future
[02:09] <ethana2> haha
[02:09] <ethana2> it's sad 'cause it's true
[02:20] <lubosz> my pidgin crashed badly
[02:21] <ethana2> mine crashes all the time
[02:21] <lubosz> its 3:20 sep 5 in germany btw
[02:21] <lubosz> and alpha 5 isnt there yet :D
[02:21] <lubosz> first crash since a long time
[02:21] <branigin> hello all
[02:21] <lubosz> i thing the system has to be unstable when pigin crashes ^^
[02:22] <lubosz> i'm copying 9 GB VMs to a ntfs drive :D, that costs a lot of cpu
[02:22] <branigin> can anyone tell me how to prevent xubuntu from reloading a previous session when I restart
[02:22] <lubosz> i switch back to ext3 next time :D
[02:22] <lubosz> i dont know xfce so well, but did you try the sessions option thingy?
[02:22] <branigin> yeah
[02:22] <branigin> even when disabled
[02:22] <branigin> it still restarts to previous session
[02:23] <lubosz> system => prefs => sessins in gnome
[02:23] <lubosz> hm
[02:23] <lubosz> so you dont like your old sessions :D
[02:23] <branigin> in xfce its system>settings manager>sessions and startup
[02:24] <lubosz> loads too long, huh?
[02:24] <branigin> and I disabled "automatically save session on logout"
[02:24] <branigin> yeah
[02:24] <branigin> takes like 90seconds from the login screen to usable
[02:24] <branigin> :D
[02:24] <lubosz> then i would say that you have a bug in xfce, when he does not take the option
[02:24] <branigin> I run xfce for things to be snappy
[02:24] <branigin> not slow
[02:24] <lubosz> maybe delete your options folder?
[02:24] <lubosz> but maybe you want to keep that options
[02:24] <lubosz> .xfce or such?
[02:25] <branigin> note sure, havent done much work with options folder
[02:25] <branigin> I've only been running linux for about 6 months now
[02:25] <lubosz> and then you decided to try an unstable xubuntu?
[02:25] <branigin> using an alpha because LTS doesn't support my hardware very well
[02:26] <lubosz> you have to have damn new hardware
[02:26] <lubosz> nvidia 280?
[02:26] <branigin> I'm sure I could have got things running with time
[02:26] <branigin> but it was a crunch - moving to dorms and all
[02:26] <lubosz> what hardware isnt supported by hardy?
[02:26] <branigin> sound
[02:26] <lubosz> the only thing i know is the newer nvidia driver stuff
[02:26] <branigin> and video out of the box
[02:26] <lubosz> hmk
[02:27] <branigin> was able to get video working properly in hardy
[02:27] <branigin> but 8.10 is only a few months off
[02:27] <branigin> and other than sessions
[02:27] <branigin> it runs perfectly
[02:27] <lubosz> i installed 2 machines with hardy 64 bit and 9600 gpus
[02:27] <lubosz> but the driver had to be the nvidia.com one
[02:27] <branigin> yeah
[02:27] <branigin> had to run proprietary drivers on hardy too
[02:28] <jStefan> i have a 8600 GT with the nvidia-glx-new (hardy)
[02:28] <lubosz> yeah, that is supported by the package
[02:28] <jStefan> i think it's essentiali the same core
[02:28] <jStefan> 92
[02:28] <lubosz> but the 2 newer generations arent
[02:28] <lubosz> 9XXX and 2XX
[02:29] <jStefan> err
[02:29] <jStefan> 8800 GT
[02:29] <lubosz> stillt geforce 8, the driver in the hardy packages is 169.XX afaik
[02:29] <jStefan> hmm
[02:30] <lubosz> and thee is already a stable 179.XX or such
[02:30] <lubosz> mom
[02:30] <jStefan> some of the new cards are G94 and G96 but most of the 9 series is just the same G92
[02:30] <jStefan> that first came out with the 8800 GT, that card should have made it into the 9 series, imho
[02:30] <lubosz> 177.13
[02:30] <lubosz> is the newest stable
[02:31] <jStefan> looks like 169.12 in hardy
[02:32] <jStefan> brb, food
[02:32] <ethana2> has nVidia fixed XRender for KDE4 yet?
[02:32] <lubosz> my upgrade history: studio 7.04 => ubuntu 7.10 alpha => ubuntu 8.04 beta
[02:33] <lubosz> and now i go for a fresh intrepid install
[02:33] <lubosz> i didnt try kde4, since the beta :D
[02:33] <lubosz> is 4.1 any better?
[02:34] <lubosz> brb reboot
[02:43] <_Zeus_> what's up with a5?
[02:43] <_Zeus_> i thought it was coming out today?
[02:44] <jStefan> :)
[02:44] <LL00> is it possible to put raid0 software into logical partitions?
[02:44] <_Zeus_> jStefan: what?
[02:44] <_Zeus_> !offtopic|LL00
[02:45] <jStefan> _Zeus_: sorry, last thing i said i was going for food, and now i am :)
[02:45] <_Zeus_> ohhh
[02:45] <_Zeus_> haha
[02:48] <jStefan> i always promise myself to wait for release builds, and then end up doing a dist-upgrade to the alpha :S
[02:48] <_Zeus_> haha
[02:48] <_Zeus_> so do you know what happened to a5?
[02:48] <jStefan> no idea, but it is still sept 4 in parts of the world
[02:48] <_Zeus_> it is here too
[02:49] <_Zeus_> but usually they do it early in the day
[02:49] <_Zeus_> and at Canonical HQ it's tomorrow
[02:50] <bsnider> jStefan, this alpha is probably shakier than previous ones because of the kernel
[02:51] <_Zeus_> ohhh ****
[02:51] <_Zeus_> well i'm going to upgrade anyway :-P
[02:51] <jStefan> bsnider, other than that, looks more stable package wise
[02:51] <bsnider> probably not
[02:51] <bsnider> gnome is also beta
[02:52] <jStefan> i mean what should be the "final" list of changes
[02:52] <jStefan> depends on the eye of the beholder i guess
[02:52] <jStefan> but most of the packages i use are seeing just minor build upgrades
[02:52] <bsnider> well, most people are having trouble booting the kernel, so that's not int he eye of hte beholder
[02:53] <jStefan> :S
[02:53] <jStefan> well, it's not a production system, someone's got to test anyway :P
[02:54] <bsnider> that's fine by me
[02:54] <jStefan> but what i meant was, in the past i had to worry about what implications going from mysql 4.0 to 4.1 to 5.0 would bring, or upgrading apache from 2.0 to 2.2, PHP, etc
[02:55] <jStefan> and on this particular release, the packages i use frequently are mostly minor instead of major releases
[02:55] <jStefan> (except of course kernel, and gnome)
[02:56] <bsnider> those two are pretty important though, i th ink
[02:56] <jStefan> :)
[02:58] <_Zeus_> haha
[03:01] <jStefan> are most of the kernel problems with 2.6.26 or 2.6.27 ?
[03:03] <bsnider> 27, because they only started working on it a week ago
[03:04] <bsnider> they switched because it had a lot of stuff htey wanted to backport to 26 anyway
[03:04] <bsnider> like wifi stuff and alsa
[03:04] <jStefan> Sat, 23 Aug 2008
[03:08] <jStefan> if i do a dist-upgrade i can probably fetch 2.6.26-5.17 too
[03:11] <_Zeus_> 27 sounds very new
[03:11] <_Zeus_> as it is
[03:12] <bsnider> it's still at rc4 or 5
[03:12] <_Zeus_> ouch
[03:12] <_Zeus_> at least it's a rc
[03:13] <bsnider> i think linus sort of arbitrarily decides when it's done
[03:14] <_Zeus_> lol
[03:14] <wha2> ... and its not called rc in ubuntu
[03:14] <wha2> we safe
[03:16] <wha2> so where the f
[03:16] <wha2> the a5 i mean
[03:17] <_Zeus_> i know
[03:25] <LSD|Ninja> wha2: they're probably waiting for it to be finished helping Zordon defeat Lord Zedd or something :P
[03:26] <wha2> with our powers combined!..
[03:28] <wha2> lol
[03:32] <wha2> we should help Zordon!
[03:43] <lubosz> any usefull hints for cleaning up system files? besides apt-get clean
[03:46] <jStefan> deborphan can help too
[03:46] <wha2> reinstall? i got phd in reinstall at time being windows user
[03:47] <wha2> nothing clean better than reformatting your partition
[03:48] <lubosz> yes, i want to do a fresh install, but delete some stuff from my old system, just to keep it alive some more time ^^
[03:48] <lubosz> and shrink the partiton of it
[03:50] <jStefan> i re-install windows at maximum every 2 years, but for linux i want to try never formatting
[03:51] <lubosz> i wanted that too, but i have done so much stuff with my linux, i never upgraded to stable, just to alphas or betas
[03:51] <lubosz> and hacked around a lot
[03:51] <lubosz> compiz from git and such
[03:52] <ethana2> i took ghex2 to my compiz
[03:52] <ethana2> it angers me that they crippled it because of apple
[03:52] <ethana2> i hope Mint doesn't cripple theirs
[03:53] <lubosz> what was crippled because of apple?
[03:53] <lubosz> compiz effects?
[03:56] <ethana2> yes
[03:56] <jStefan> lubosz, i've upgraded to a lot of alphas, i've manage to keep it reasonably clean
[03:57] <ethana2> lubosz: you know genie?  There's a variable hardcoded within compiz that dissalows it, I used ghex2 to set that variable to 0, giving me a proper compiz install
[03:58] <ethana2> ...'course, I'll want to be careful with my updates, 'cause the file might get replaced
[03:59] <wha2> what about compiz effects and apple?
[03:59] <crdlb> compiz fusion does not allow the Vacuum effect for minimize
[03:59] <crdlb> because Apple has a ridiculous software patent on it
[04:00] <lubosz> it doesnt even look like the one in compiz
[04:00] <wha2> lol... but its only 1 effect?
[04:00] <wha2> affected
[04:00] <lubosz> apple owns all things that look like this effect? ^^
[04:01] <RAOF_> Well, no.  But you're not allowed to implement that idea.
[04:02] <wha2> its not like i actually care much about compiz and its effects. compiz is maybe good as alternate render... but not now. and effects is for kids
[04:03] <RAOF_> Well, apart from the effects which make it a substantially better window manager than metacity :)
[04:03] <jStefan> compiz is good when you have guests in your house :P
[04:03] <RAOF_> Such as the window switcher, and scale (mmmmmmm, sweet scale!)
[04:08] <LSD|Ninja> which one's scale again?
[04:08] <LSD|Ninja> Is that the one that zooms out the virtual desktops?
[04:08]  * LSD|Ninja always gets acale and expo confused
[04:08] <LSD|Ninja> scale*
[04:23] <ethana2> in addition to using the genie effect for minimize, my window switcher is CoverFlow
[04:24] <ethana2> and somehow, while window pixmaps can be preserved for closing animations, they can't be for showing minimized windows in the switcher
[04:24] <ethana2> either that, or someone decided that it's a far better approach to show a blown up, blurry icon instead
[04:24] <ethana2> ...for what, moral reasons?
[04:25] <ethana2> ah yes, preserving a window texture upon minimize is 'hackish'
[04:25] <ethana2> so is life.      ...so is X.
[04:26] <ethana2>  /rant..    well, from now on i think i'll just factor in my location on earth to just add a day to everything on release schedules..  time to go to bed now, see y'all tomorrow when alpha 5 is out
[04:30] <jStefan> i'm going to bed too, was hoping leaving the torrent downloading while i slept
[04:33] <danbhfive> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/intrepid-alpha-5
[04:33] <danbhfive> still a few bugs left
[04:35] <dholbert> looks like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidIbex/TechnicalOverview is the staging-area for the wiki page
[04:35] <dholbert> it's what will later appear at http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/alpha5 (to match the version for alpha4,  http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/alpha4 )
[04:39] <danbhfive> dholbert: cool
[04:40] <dholbert> danbhfive: yup
[04:40] <dholbert> good to know that they haven't forgotten about it, at least :)
[04:41] <jStefan> hmmm. how many of those bugs will be skipped based on the "Time Based Release" ?
[04:41] <bsnider> anybody using intrepid on a crackbook?
[04:44] <danbhfive> jStefan: they seem to be doing pretty well
[04:45] <jStefan> well, off to bed. thanks for the info
[05:08] <nullHead|busy> when's the new ISO cumming out?
[05:10] <dholbert> nullHead|busy: we've all been waiting for that
[05:10] <dholbert> don't think anyone here knows exactly
[05:11] <dholbert> nullHead|busy: but you can preview the wiki page for it at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidIbex/TechnicalOverview
[05:12] <dholbert> nullHead|busy: and https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/intrepid-alpha-5 apparently tracks outstanding issues, though I haven't looked at that too much
[05:15] <nullHead|busy> oh
[05:15] <nullHead|busy> I've been waiting at the wiki
[05:15] <nullHead|busy> for the link to be updated :D
[05:15] <nullHead|busy> see, I'm really excited about the new kernel and it's 2.6.27 wonderfulness
[05:15] <nullHead|busy> the atheros drivers is what I'm really waiting for
[05:16] <nullHead|busy> the iso's are probably cooking as we talk here
[05:16] <bofh80> the kernel itself has been availble to install for quite some time . . .
[05:16] <danbhfive> I want the atheros drivers too!
[05:16] <bofh80> for hardy and intrpid
[05:16] <NullHead> oh
[05:16] <NullHead> I see :|
[05:16] <NullHead> I had no idea
[05:17] <NullHead> well, being as my machine is about ready to die, it doesn't much matter .........
[05:17] <bofh80> hahahaha
[05:17] <NullHead> my mobo won't boot linux anymore ... it already died once, and I revived it
[05:17] <bofh80> oh dear
[05:17] <bofh80> send it me, i love cranky hardware
[05:17] <bofh80> heheheh
[05:17] <NullHead> :(, but hay, i should be upgrading to a phenom soon
[05:17] <bofh80> i like to bassh it
[05:17] <bofh80> basssshhh ittt
[05:17] <NullHead> lol
[05:18] <NullHead> I can always use andlinux in windows
[05:18] <NullHead> it does the job
[05:18] <bofh80> LOL
[05:49] <dfgas> still super buggy yet ehh?
[06:09] <crimsun> well, yes.  resuming from suspend-to-ram is broken for many systems.
[06:12] <dfgas> i don't use power saving at all
[06:13] <dfgas> i am going to be installing 64bit was thinking of trying 8.10 depending on how buggy it is
[06:49] <bean-oh> just throwing it out there, overall, how useable is the alpha at this point?
[06:50] <Daisuke_Ido> read the topic?
[06:50] <tanath> WFM
[06:50] <bean-oh> also, any word on a new release date on alpha 5?
[06:50] <bean-oh> i saw the topic, i was just curious what you guys thought.
[06:51] <wha1> bean-oh: i agree with topic
[06:52] <wha1> ./thread
[06:52] <bean-oh> fair enough. i suppose i'll wait for beta.
[07:24] <jason_> Is anyone else using ubuntu with an Intel 4500MHD video chipset?
[07:24] <LSD|Ninja> nope, still only have a GMA950 and even then it's in my MacBook
[07:24] <jason_> Maybe I should say.. TRYING to use it.
[07:25] <jason_> I just bought this laptop and am having second thoughts because of this chipset.
[07:25] <LSD|Ninja> Intel is pretty good wrt to Linux support. It'll get there, it might just take a little bit
[07:25] <jason_> I can get external video but cannot use the built-in display unless I use VESA
[07:26] <jason_> Yea, it may take time but using VESA and 800x600 on a 1600x900 screen sucks! :)
[07:26] <jason_> I have actually been using Vista!!!  That is how desperate I have been!
[07:29] <jason_> I was just reading the logs... still no word on Alpha 5 yet huh?
[07:29] <jason_> I guess it's better if they have something working than on time... :)
[07:30] <Afief> Does anybody know what's holding back the Ibex release?
[07:30] <LSD|Ninja> jason_: That hasn't stopped Ubuntu in the past, look at Hardy :P
[07:31] <jason_> I never had any problems... guess I was lucky.
[07:32] <jason_> Afief: looking through the logs, it looks like it may be kernel problems...
[07:32] <Jordan_U> What is the difference between the flash support from libasound2-plugins and libflashsupport?
[07:32] <Afief> jason_, logs?
[07:32] <LSD|Ninja> Why'd they bump to 2.6.27 anyway?
[07:33] <jason_> Afief: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/09/05/%23ubuntu+1.html
[07:33] <Afief> LSD|Ninja, I heard that 2.7.27 has better support for stuff like the new AMD platform(panda or whatever it's called) which many new laptops are using
[07:34] <LSD|Ninja> meh, who cares about AMD laptops? :P
[07:35] <Afief> LSD|Ninja, I'm working on one right now
[07:35] <LSD|Ninja> you have my condolences :P
[07:35] <Afief> LSD|Ninja, why is that? I love it
[07:36] <LSD|Ninja> AMDs mobile offerings have always been major fail
[07:38] <Afief> they might not be as powerful as intel stuff, but I can live with that for all the openess of the platform
[07:38] <Hobbsee> Afief: what's holding back the release?  testing, and bugs, most likely.
[07:39] <Afief> Hobbsee, yup but i was wondering if something specific was known
[07:39] <LSD|Ninja> Afief: the openness of their platform is one of the reasons for it failing so hard
[07:40] <Afief> LSD|Ninja, how so? I'm buying AMD because I'm getting open source drivers for pretty much everything from them
[07:41] <wha1> Afief: i dont think LSD|Ninja trying to have reasonable discussion
[07:42] <LSD|Ninja> Oh, you meant that kind of open. You can get that from Intel too but it's neither here nor there, really. I was referring to how AMD let anyone and everyone make components for it resulting in the platform lacking anything remotely resembling the integration present in Centrino
[07:43] <Ronald> i own a centrino... what integration are you talking about. its ONLY a fixed set of components
[07:43] <Afief> LSD|Ninja, in the days of the centrino AMD was still beating the crap out of intel, it wasn't until the Core Duo/Quad came along that Intel overtook AMD
[07:43] <Ronald> with a rather bloated wireless driver manager component under windows
[07:43] <Hobbsee> Afief: probably just people waking up, and more people finishing tests, i'd say.
[07:43] <Hobbsee> the current tests look pretty goo.d
[07:43] <Afief> Hobbsee, I hope so, been waiting for it all day yesterday
[07:44] <Hobbsee> Afief: it's usually late on the 4th, or the 5th.
[07:44] <Afief> Hobbsee, current tests?
[07:44] <LSD|Ninja> Afief: we're talking about mobiles. AMD have never been able to offer a decent mobile product, ever
[07:44] <Hobbsee> on wehther the cd images are any good.
[07:44] <Ronald> centrino is a marketing thing, and look how it works for LSD|Ninja
[07:44] <Afief> LSD|Ninja, I don't claim lots of knowledge about mobiles, but this is new for me
[07:45] <Ronald> LSD|Ninja, as long as current AMD products can make a desktop machine that consumes less power then my centrino laptop...
[07:45] <Afief> Hobbsee, where can you see that?
[07:45] <LSD|Ninja> Ronald: the individual components are all designed to interact together, you don't get that level of integration with a CPU from AMD, a chipset from VIA and a wireless chip from Broadcom
[07:45] <Ronald> there is no integration
[07:45] <Ronald> its a cpu from intel
[07:45] <Hobbsee> Afief: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[07:45] <Ronald> a wireless chip from the other side of intel
[07:45] <Ronald> a chipset from a 3rth part of intel
[07:46] <Hobbsee> Afief: if you were bored yesterday, you could have tested the images, you know.
[07:46] <Ronald> no integration just same label, different designers
[07:46] <Afief> LSD|Ninja, this is the machine I bought, I couldn't find anything as good from intel: http://www.tabletpcreview.com/default.asp?newsID=1213
[07:46] <Afief> Hobbsee, wish I had known about that:(
[07:46] <Hobbsee> Afief: you'll know for next tribe, and i'm not sure if they're still testing.
[07:46] <Hobbsee> go ask in #ubuntu-testers, after reading the instructions
[07:46] <LSD|Ninja> Ronald: you honestly believe the home field advantage accounts for nothing?
[07:47] <Afief> Hobbsee, thanks now I got something to read:D
[07:47] <Ronald> LSD|Ninja, indeed. it works or it doesn't
[07:47] <Afief> LSD|Ninja, home field?
[07:48] <Hobbsee> :)
[07:48] <LSD|Ninja> Afief: It's an expression. In sports, a team generally plays better on their home ground for various reasons, not the least of which being they don't have to travel
[07:49] <Ronald> LSD|Ninja, the wireless chip is attached to the PCI bus
[07:49] <Ronald> the blahblah chip is attached to the pci bus
[07:49] <Ronald> the grafics chip (from ATI) is attached to the pci-e bus
[07:50] <LSD|Ninja> Wifi is PCIe since Napa
[07:50] <Ronald> imho you clearly fell for intels most excelent marketing over the centrino platform
[07:52] <Afief> Ronald, guess we need a good marketing team for Ubuntu too:)
[07:53] <Ronald> marketing is key to mass-worldwide success
[07:53] <LSD|Ninja> "Ubuntu on AMD: Fail for the whole family" :P
[07:53] <Ronald> microsoft did a most excelent job for a long while ;) intel currently with centrino... AMD always been, and still is crap at marketing
[07:54] <Ronald> their uprise is purely thanks to hitting a very good product the moment intel fubared
[07:54] <Chepra> still no alpha-5? :/
[07:55] <LSD|Ninja> It helps that, even in isolation, the individual centrino components are measurably better then competitors alternatives
[07:57] <Afief> LSD|Ninja, #hardware would probably be a great place for you to discuss this stuff with the most knowledgable people on freenode
[08:16] <mrtimdog> Hi, I'm wanting to add my own menus to my panel, as in hardy I can't find a way to do this with the gnome-panel so I'd like to swap it (still using gnome) for the xfce4-panel. I can't find where it's started now as ~/.gnome2/session seems to be being ignored? Any pointers?
[08:22] <larry> Howdy folks
[08:22] <larry> I'm using 8.10 alpha 4 (freshly upgraded) and most everything works
[08:23] <larry> but my proprietary Juniper VPN client
[08:23] <larry> It fails mysteriously
[08:24] <larry> we think the problem is that it requires a setuid program
[08:24] <larry> and it seems like it's not allowed to be run setuid.
[08:24] <larry> if I run the program directly I get "permission denied"
[08:24] <larry> in 8.04 I could run the program fine.
[08:25] <larry> Did something about setuid change violently between 8.04 and 8.10?
[08:31] <Jordan_U> larry: What is the output of "ls -l /path/to/binary" ?
[08:32] <larry> Jordan_U: -rws--s--x 1 root root 1270152 2008-09-04 22:29 ncsvc
[08:33] <Jordan_U> larry: It may be that it's being blocked by AppArmor
[08:40] <mrtimdog> Ah, I've just seen in my .xsession-errors the msg: "Session saving is not implemented yet!". Is this planned for release?
[08:46] <DanaG> Heh, hard drive naming is funny.
[08:46] <DanaG> Manufacturer: WDC WD25.  Model: 00JB-00GVC0.
[08:46] <DanaG> Manufacturer: Ext Hard.  Model: Disk.
[09:13] <supertones> is there a link for alpha 5 yet of kubuntu?
[09:16] <jussi01> supertones: I havent seen one - usually you will find it here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/intrepid/
[09:19] <larry> Jordan_U: sorry, got a kernel panic or something.  Any idea how I should make an AppArmor exception for my VPN client?
[09:20] <larry> I created /etc/apparmor/apparmor.d and cobbled together a profile, but the VPN client still fails, and I don't know how to get feedback on what I did wrong.
[09:21] <Jordan_U> larry: Look in
[09:23] <Jordan_U> larry: Hit enter by mistake, you might ask in the OpenSuse channel since that is where AppArmor originated but I am not sure if the appreciate helping with other distros ( most distro channels, including #ubuntu do not )
[09:24] <larry> Jordan_U: I gather the OpenSUSE guys use YaST to make AppArmor profiles, which isn't on Ubuntu (iiuc it's also mainly their package manager)
[09:25] <LSD|Ninja> YaST does everything: install, configure, control panel, the whole nine
[09:25] <Jordan_U> larry: You might look at what changed in the profiles between Hardy and Intrepid ( Hardy uses Apparmor also ) and it may not be AppArmor at all, that was  just a guess
[09:26] <supertones> does kubuntu intrepid alpha 4 use 4.1.1?
[09:26] <larry> Jordan_U: yeah, but it sure seems like a very good guess :)
[09:27] <larry> I mean, I can run the program if I'm root, and I get "permission denied" if I'm not root, and it's setuid/setgid and world executable.  what else could it be?
[11:40] <vistakiller> hi
[11:40] <vistakiller> i cant mount my audio cd in kubuntu ibex
[11:40] <TheInfinity> copy protected?
[11:40] <vistakiller> i just notice that the file /dec/cdrom is not exist
[11:40] <vistakiller> no
[11:40] <vistakiller> all the programmes and dolphin look for audio cd in /dec/cdrom
[11:41] <vistakiller> i just find that i dont have this file
[11:41] <TheInfinity> you mean /dev/ ?
[11:41] <vistakiller> yeah sorry :P
[11:41] <TheInfinity> perhaps /dev/dvd? or ... whatever?
[11:41] <vistakiller> this is the strange
[11:41] <vistakiller> i can mount dvd
[11:41] <vistakiller> cd with files
[11:41] <vistakiller> but not audio cd
[11:42] <vistakiller> if i write manual the path to the driver to one programme like amarok
[11:42] <TheInfinity> you cant mount them, thats right, you have to play them as stream
[11:42] <vistakiller> i just put in amarok /dev/scd1 and i have play my cd put this is not solution i think
[11:43] <vistakiller> why i dont have the /dev/cdrom file?
[11:43] <TheInfinity> look at syslog
[11:43] <vistakiller> what i have to look?
[11:44] <TheInfinity> dont know, perhaps something about devs, ... or hwinfo would be also a nice start to analyze your prob
[11:44] <vistakiller> can i copy the file from live cd?
[11:44] <vistakiller> /dev/cdrom?
[11:45] <TheInfinity> ./dev/foo are device nodes
[11:45] <TheInfinity> -> no
[11:45] <vistakiller> hm ok
[11:45] <TheInfinity> did it work in hardy?
[11:45] <vistakiller> yeah i have it
[11:46] <vistakiller> after the upgrade is missing
[11:46] <TheInfinity> why dont you just use hardy? *hmm*
[11:46] <vistakiller> i use this system from feisty
[11:47] <dashavoo> Still no alpha5 then?
[11:47] <vistakiller> and always upgrade from alpha 5
[11:47] <vistakiller> this is my third upgrade
[11:47] <TheInfinity> vistakiller: then you shoult know how to watch at syslog for errors ;)
[11:47] <vistakiller> ok i will look
[11:52] <vistakiller> no error is syslog :P strange
[11:53] <TheInfinity> and other info about hdd / cdrom things?
[11:53] <TheInfinity> and hwinfo detects it as cdrom?
[11:53] <TheInfinity> and what says /proc/ ?
[11:53] <TheInfinity> :)
[11:53] <TheInfinity> just some hints for debugging ;)
[11:53] <vistakiller> ok thanks
[12:29] <hkBst> where can I get at the alpha prereleases?
[12:30] <TheInfinity> !download
[12:31] <hkBst> TheInfinity: all 8.10 and intrepid directories are empty...
[12:32] <TheInfinity> hkBst: then they upload alpha5 atm
[12:33] <hkBst> ok, thanks
[12:34] <jStefan> i thought it was on the cdimages.ubuntu.com server
[12:36] <Belisarivs> hi all
[12:37] <Belisarivs> I'm experiencing problems with keyboard
[12:37] <Belisarivs> some keys don't work in Xorg
[12:37] <Belisarivs> but they work in termial
[12:38] <Belisarivs> it was tested on II KDE4 with system detected X.org settings and in clean setup of KDE4
[12:38] <Belisarivs> on notebook hp530
[12:39] <Belisarivs> I encountered same thing when attempting to install II in qemu on apsolutelly different PC
[12:39] <Belisarivs> pg up, pg down, cursor keys, Insert and delete don't work
[12:40] <Belisarivs> Print Screen. Scroll Lock and Pause don't work as well
[12:41] <Belisarivs> any ideas?
[12:41] <Belisarivs> i reported this bug
[12:41] <Belisarivs> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/263218
[12:42] <Belisarivs> I'll see if these will work in II in qemu
[12:46] <Belisarivs> Am'I the only one who has such bad luck?
[12:47] <Belisarivs> Same bug in absolutelly different conditions an being the only one complaining?
[12:48] <whaa> Belisarivs: www.launchpad.net
[12:48] <Belisarivs> whaa - What about it?
[12:48] <whaa> make a guess
[12:49] <Belisarivs> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/263218
[12:49] <Belisarivs> guess what?
[12:50] <whaa> so you posted that bug... good... now wait 4 months like i am... its only 6 days old! lol
[12:51] <whaa> or make a patch
[12:51] <Belisarivs> I would, if i could
[12:52] <Belisarivs> You don't have this problem?
[12:52] <Belisarivs> on II
[12:53] <whaa> well actually i have same type of problem with my new logitech ultra-flat keyboard... wrong mapping
[12:53] <Belisarivs> Absolutelly wrong? Or just some keys don't work?
[12:54] <whaa> some keys wrong
[12:54] <whaa> or dont work
[12:55] <whaa> but this is in 8.04, waiting for alpha 5 to test
[12:55] <whaa> in 8.10
[12:55] <Belisarivs> Then perhaps you could comment my report
[12:55] <Belisarivs> as it will perhaps be same for you
[12:56] <Belisarivs> Perhaps it will more probably draw attention of developers to fix it
[12:56] <Belisarivs> it is really anoyance
[12:56] <Belisarivs> annoyance
[12:57] <whaa> my scroll lock key work, but scroll lock indicator is always disabled
[12:57] <whaa> same for you?
[12:57] <whaa> checked with xev
[12:57] <Belisarivs> nope
[12:57] <Belisarivs> see that bug I reported
[12:58] <Belisarivs> i experienced malfunction of pg up and down, cursors, delete and insert
[12:58] <whaa> shift+numpad_insert always print 0, and never work as paste operation, even with numlock disabled
[12:58] <whaa> ah
[12:58] <Belisarivs> home, end, Scroll Lock, Pause and Print Scr as well
[12:59] <Belisarivs> On 2 PCs which have nothing in common
[12:59] <whaa> well if keys work (try xev), then you should make correct mapping key_scancode=expected_function
[13:00] <whaa> mapping table
[13:00] <whaa> if not work, its driver issue
[13:01] <whaa> wait... you run ubuntu in VM?
[13:05] <whaa> bored
[13:05] <TheInfinity> btw why are xorg modules from vmware deleted in intrepid? :/
[13:09] <Belisarivs> I'm waiting for II to be installed i qemu, but have it installed on my book
[13:10] <Belisarivs> whaa - you mean this http://www.xfree86.org/current/xev.1.html ?
[13:24] <ghostcube_> oi
[13:52] <Belisarivs> Ha. In II in qemu moue doesn't work.
[13:58] <Belisarivs> It doesn't work only in gdm.
[14:29] <thebishop> did Alpha 5 come out yesterday?
[14:32] <Belisarivs> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5726723
[14:33] <Belisarivs> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5726723
[14:33] <Belisarivs> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/releases/intrepid/
[14:36] <thebishop> Belisarivs, i only see alpha 4 there
[14:37] <whaa> omg alpha 5 was stolen!
[14:38] <Belisarivs> whaa - you meant this http://www.xfree86.org/current/xev.1.html ?
[14:39] <whaa> yes
[14:41] <Belisarivs> ok
[14:41] <Belisarivs> thanks
[14:42] <dashavoo> thebishop, someone linked me to a script yesterday, might be useful for you too, http://pastebin.mozilla.org/530205
[14:43] <thebishop> haha
[14:43] <thebishop> nice
[14:43]  * Oli`` wishes btnx still worked
[14:43] <Oli``> shiny new kernel of DOOM
[14:43] <whaa> what?
[14:43] <Belisarivs> lol
[14:44] <Belisarivs> script, that test every minute if II a5 is there. And if it is, it downloads it
[14:49] <whaa> Oli``: but i expected kernel of QUAKE. i guess i should trade my guns and armor :(
[14:50] <thebishop> what is expected to be in Alpha5?  Any of the new artwork?
[14:52] <dashavoo> thebishop, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/intrepid-alpha-5
[14:52] <whaa> mm if they made ubuntu christian edition, and muslim edition... i hope someone made also ubuntu satanic edition :/
[14:52] <whaa> with cool artwork
[14:53] <alex-weej> whaa: they certainly did.
[14:53] <whaa> great idea, i'll post it to launchpad
[14:53] <alex-weej> http://ubuntusatanic.org/
[14:53] <whaa> omg... i mean oms...
[14:53] <whaa> cool
[14:59] <Belisarivs> What about Cthulhu edition?
[14:59] <thebishop> heh
[15:00] <thebishop> if the Church of Scientology became a big funder of Free software and funded development of a few major projects, would that affect your decision to use them?
[15:01] <Belisarivs> http://www.abclinuxu.cz/images/screenshots/5/5/90355-obrazky-6959.gif
[15:04] <dashavoo> Belisarivs, lol
[15:25] <x1250> !daily
[15:47] <_Zeus_> what's going on with a5??
[15:47] <woogens> Hi guys
[15:47] <woogens> Wanted to ask just the same question. :-)
[15:47] <woogens> But I guess we're not the first to ask. :-)
[15:47] <Ng> every time you ask, the release is delayed another 6 hours ;)
[15:47] <woogens> Haha
[15:47] <_Zeus_> haha
[15:47] <Myrtti> :-D
[15:47] <Myrtti> PWND
[15:47] <_Zeus_> :-P
[15:47] <_Zeus_> it's just that i can't find anything about it
[15:48] <woogens> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidIbex/TechnicalOverview
[15:48] <_Zeus_> i mean about the delay...
[15:48] <woogens> It's the most interesting page I could find *g*
[15:48] <_Zeus_> whoa
[15:48] <_Zeus_> there it is
[15:49] <Chepra> what?
[15:49] <_Zeus_> they have broken download links for a5 on that page!
[15:49] <_Zeus_> down towards the bottom
[15:49] <Chepra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/intrepid/alpha-5/ - you mean this one?
[15:49] <woogens> Err, yes. It's like that since yesterday. It's only what the link _will_ look like when it's available, I guess.
[15:49] <_Zeus_> that's misleading
[15:50] <_Zeus_> Chepra: ya
[15:58] <tretle> cool.... didnt realize somene actually made a working version of that mockup for the user switcher applet
[15:58] <tretle> now its a hell of allot more useful
[16:02] <afflux> tretle: you mean the status change stuff?
[16:03] <afflux> it seems to be completly unextensible: I'm using gajim and I won't be able to use the status options of fast-user-switch-applet because I had to change something in it's code and recompile the whole thing...
[16:03] <afflux> so I now have a unusable and kind of annoying red button in my taskbar ;)
[16:05] <_Zeus_> :-/ ?
[16:05] <tretle> well telepathy is part of gnome
[16:06] <tretle> works great with empathy, though I want to use soylant because I dont need empathy clogging up the taskbar anymore
[16:08] <tretle> why is it cheese isnt included with intrepid when its been in gnome since the last release?
[16:31] <tretle> hmmmm..... I noticed that the user switcher applet is unable to start the telepathy stream when you click available without having empathy open... this is a bit of a problem if you want to use something like soylent instead
[16:41] <BUGabundo> mvo: ping
[16:42] <mvo> BUGabundo: pong
[16:43] <BUGabundo> hi
[16:43] <BUGabundo> just replied to your emails
[16:43] <BUGabundo> be right back
[16:43] <mvo> BUGabundo: cool, thanks. I'm away now for some minutes too
[16:54] <BUGabundo1> mvo: ping (back)
[16:54]  * ethana2 checks for alpha 5
[16:55] <BUGabundo1> still no show ethana2!
[16:55] <ethana2> yeah.....
[16:55] <BUGabundo1> get a daily
[16:55] <ethana2> but it's more important that it works well
[16:55] <BUGabundo1> and then rsync it
[16:55] <ethana2> hmmm
[16:55] <ethana2> rsync?
[16:55] <BUGabundo1> yeah
[16:56] <ethana2> whassat?
[16:56] <BUGabundo1> private me
[16:56] <ethana2> k
[16:56] <BUGabundo1> and I'll send you my scripts for it
[16:56] <BUGabundo1> instead of downloading the all ISO you just download what changed
[16:56] <BUGabundo1> quite nice
[16:56] <ethana2> ooh
[16:56] <ethana2> .iso patches
[16:57] <sioux> :-/
[16:58] <tamer_> is it safe to update intrepid now ?
[16:58] <BUGabundo1> tamer_: see topic
[16:59] <BUGabundo1> ubottu: intrepid
[17:00] <sioux> with which kernel the next intrepid will be released
[17:01] <bazhang> !info linux-image
[17:02] <tamer_> i accedently updating my ubuntu to interpid
[17:02] <tamer_> i want to stop
[17:02] <tamer_> and get back my responsibilties
[17:02] <tamer_> how i can do that
[17:02] <emorris> you can't
[17:02] <BUGabundo1> I don't think there is a way to downgrade!!!!!!
[17:02] <emorris> backup your files, format the partiton and start again
[17:03] <tamer_> it is still downloading
[17:03] <BUGabundo1> someone should develop a way to downgrade
[17:03] <BUGabundo1> lol
[17:03] <tamer_> not installed yet
[17:03] <BUGabundo1> sudo pkill apt !?!
[17:03] <emorris> it does something before the downloading starts doesn't it?
[17:03] <tamer_> ok and how i will get back my sources
[17:03] <tamer_> yes it did
[17:03] <sioux> 2.6.27??
[17:04] <sioux> kernel.org is stop to 2.6.26
[17:04] <tamer_> can anyone help me please
[17:04] <BUGabundo1> sioux: no! we are on .27
[17:04] <BUGabundo1> for 2 weeks now
[17:05] <BUGabundo1> tamer_: did you kill it !?
[17:05] <tamer_> yes i kill it
[17:05] <tamer_> but i want to get back my sources
[17:05] <sioux> kernel.org do not has any image with 2.6.27
[17:05] <BUGabundo1> now sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:06] <BUGabundo1> and replace all entries of intrepid by hardy
[17:06] <BUGabundo1> sioux: ask ben
[17:07] <sioux> :-) sorry yes it has
[17:07] <momo_geek> hello
[17:07] <sioux> it is a pre-pach
[17:11] <BUGabundo1> mvo: ping
[17:19] <BUGabundo1> Is it just me or http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/current/ is 404 !?
[17:20] <shadowhywind> hay all having a bit of issues with the new kernel, when i try to boot from it, it says kernel alive and then kernel really alive and it just hangs there any ideas
[17:20] <woogens> BUGabundo1: It's working for me.
[17:20] <x1250> there's a nice way of replacing hardy for intrepid in sources.list -> sudo sh -c "cat /etc/apt/sources.list | sed s/hardy/intrepid/ > /etc/apt/sources.list"
[17:21] <bazhang> BUGabundo1, works here too
[17:22] <BUGabundo1> rsync and wget from here is failing for the DVDs. LiveCDs are working.. strange
[17:23] <BUGabundo1> shadowhywind: sed would do it with much less code
[17:23] <BUGabundo1> lol
[17:23] <shadowhywind> BUGabundo1: huh?
[17:23] <BUGabundo1> no need for cat
[17:23] <BUGabundo1> just add -I
[17:23] <BUGabundo1> - i
[17:23] <BUGabundo1> sorry
[17:23] <BUGabundo1> not for you
[17:23] <shadowhywind> hehe
[17:23] <BUGabundo1> x1250: read above
[17:23] <sioux> do you know if spca561a module is available?
[17:24] <sioux> next intrepid?
[17:24] <alejandeus> hello
[17:24] <alejandeus> is alpha 5 gonna be ready any time today?
[17:25] <BUGabundo1> eheh alejandeus
[17:25] <BUGabundo1> why are you so hurry?
[17:25] <BUGabundo1> its delayed as usual...
[17:25] <BUGabundo1> download a daily and rsync it latter
[17:25] <alejandeus> no no... I'm not in a hurry
[17:25] <alejandeus> its Friday and I thought I'd have some time to seriously check it out over the weekend
[17:26] <alejandeus> gotta really try the 2.6.27 kernel
[17:27] <BUGabundo1> the dailies already have it!
[17:27] <alejandeus> I forget what the delay was with Hardy... was it only 1 day?
[17:27] <BUGabundo1> no need for alpha5
[17:27] <alejandeus> alpha delay I mean
[17:27] <shadowhywind> anyone else running the 2.6.27 kernel?
[17:27] <BUGabundo1> alejandeus: I guess ppl keep uploading stuff to the reps, and then it fail building the images
[17:28] <BUGabundo1> I'm running it shadowhywind
[17:28] <BUGabundo1> and I'm not impressed
[17:28] <BUGabundo1> my webcam stop working
[17:28] <shadowhywind> BUGabundo1: i can't even get it to boot
[17:28] <whaa> BUGabundo1: last daily i downloaded was not able to boot. and 8.04 daily i downloaded half-year ago wiped all data on my drives during install
[17:28] <BUGabundo1> wiki rf kill swhitch too
[17:28] <BUGabundo1> BACKUPS BACKUPS BACKUPS BACKUPS BACKUPS
[17:29] <BUGabundo1> I just booted this morning with yesterdays image
[17:29] <alejandeus> thanks Vagabundo...
[17:29] <alejandeus> guess its safer to wait for the image build up
[17:29] <shadowhywind> BUGabundo1: by anychance you didn't get a kernel alive kernel really alive at boot did you?
[17:30] <mvo> BUGabundo1: pong
[17:30] <BUGabundo1> not really shadowhywind
[17:30] <BUGabundo1> hi mvo
[17:30] <BUGabundo1> so what about your clone app?!
[17:30] <_Zeus_> shadowhywind: what are those kernel alive really alive things anyway?
[17:30] <BUGabundo1> its giving me errors
[17:30] <BUGabundo1> humm is it KVM probs?
[17:31] <alejandeus> btw... did the alternative boot to GRUB make it to the feature freeze?
[17:31] <shadowhywind> _Zeus_: I have no clue.. but it stops me froom booting up
[17:31] <x1250> BUGabundo1, yep, I always forget that sed can use an input file. this works: sudo sh -c "sed 's/hardy/intrepid/' -r /etc/apt/sources.list > /etc/apt/sources.list"
[17:32] <BUGabundo1> too much code! lol
[17:34] <alejandeus> update-manager -d should update to pseudo alpha 5 no?
[17:34] <Pici> alejandeus: yep
[17:35] <vbabiy> is there a ISO of alpha 5 yet?
[17:35] <BUGabundo1> no there isn't
[17:35] <BUGabundo1> alejandeus: it will update to current reps
[17:35] <BUGabundo1> there is no idea of alphas on the reps
[17:36] <vbabiy> has any one been able to install alpha 4 in virtual box
[17:37] <x1250> vbabiy, not yet, but there's the daily iso
[17:37] <x1250> !daily
[17:40] <alejandeus> one last question
[17:40] <mvo> BUGabundo1: just run "sandbox-clone-to-vm"
[17:40] <alejandeus> if I update-manager -d , but I am running right now a personally modified kernel?
[17:40] <Ergo^> hey, shouldnt we have alpha 5 for now ?
[17:41]  * BUGabundo1 tries mvo tip
[17:41] <alejandeus> will the update install the default kernel or will it , as I fear, bbase itself on the current running one?
[17:42] <mvo> alejandeus: it will install a new one and amke it defualt, but will not remove your existing one
[17:42] <BUGabundo1> mvo: $ sandbox-clone-to-vm \n /usr/bin/sandbox-clone-to-vm: line 34: ubuntu-vm-builder: command not found
[17:42] <x1250> Ok BUGabundo1, here's a shorter version, lol: F=/etc/apt/sources.list;sudo sh -c "sed 's/hardy/intrepid/' -r $F > $F
[17:42] <x1250> "
[17:42] <BUGabundo1> why not just use -i option?
[17:43] <x1250> Uhm, I don't know what that option does, I'll check the man
[17:43] <BUGabundo1> sed s/hardy/intrepid/ -i PATH
[17:43] <x1250> uhm, nice
[17:43] <alejandeus> mvo: thanks for the help... I know it won't remove my existing one.... my question is rather if the "new" one will be compiled based on the current one.... for e.g. I have some Intel HDA Sound Energy Saving selected in my current customized kernel
[17:43] <x1250> I'll try it
[17:44] <alejandeus> will the new installed kernel preserve that kernel tweaking or not?
[17:44] <Ergo^> is there a delay with next intrepid alpha ?
[17:44] <BUGabundo1> YES Ergo^
[17:44] <BUGabundo1> some one should put that on the topic!
[17:45] <alejandeus> I agree Vaga
[17:45] <void^> alejandeus: no
[17:45] <alejandeus> oh... sweet
[17:45] <Ergo^> hm... is there a big delay ? i  was counting i could  grab the image soon
[17:46] <alejandeus> coz I don't like my tweaking (except the b43 patch applied for aircrack-ng)
[17:46] <BUGabundo1> for the 4th time
[17:46] <BUGabundo1> get the daily iso
[17:46] <BUGabundo1> and if you still want it when it comes out, rsync the diff
[17:46] <alejandeus> allright... so I'm gonna go ahead and update-manager -d
[17:47] <Ergo^> k, thanks
[17:47] <BUGabundo1> no prob Ergo^
[17:47] <Ergo^> i wonder how "stable" it is
[17:47] <BUGabundo1> I really should post my rsync script on some wiki
[17:47] <BUGabundo1> it isn't
[17:47] <BUGabundo1> ppl can't even turn it off
[17:47] <Ergo^> i tried alpha 3 i think
[17:47] <BUGabundo1> must run sudo halt
[17:47] <Ergo^> reboot doesnt work ? :]
[17:47] <Ergo^> brilliant
[17:47] <BUGabundo1> hibernation is quite bad (it was working a few weeks ago)
[17:48] <Ergo^> maybe i should try lenny again...
[17:48] <BUGabundo1> pm-utils began failing
[17:48] <BUGabundo1> and all this kernel updates mess NVidia
[17:48] <x1250> BUGabundo1, thanks, -i rocks. It is much more simple with it! $ sudo sed 's/hardy/intrepid/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:48] <BUGabundo1> there is no current support for ATI
[17:48] <BUGabundo1> and -RT kernels aren't buitl
[17:48] <BUGabundo1> *built
[17:48] <Ergo^> lol.. BUGabundo1 just tell me that you dont want me to install it ;P
[17:49] <BUGabundo1> I KNOW x1250 that's why I told you 4 TIMES
[17:49] <BUGabundo1> install it Ergo^
[17:49] <BUGabundo1> we need more testers
[17:49] <x1250> :) I'm a slow learner
[17:49] <BUGabundo1> sicne we began Feature Freeze
[17:49] <BUGabundo1> need to get bugs reported and fixed
[17:49] <BUGabundo1> by RC
[17:50] <LSD|Ninja> Is the final version of whatever version of xorg is in there going to make it time for October? Or are you agin going to make a release with a big-tickeet piece of software still in beta?
[17:55] <Ergo^> BUGabundo1: if its "usable" i can file bug reports but i also need workable (programming stuff) workstation
[17:55] <BUGabundo1> ubottu: intrepid
[17:55] <BUGabundo1> Ergo^: see.... BROKEN SOFTWARE
[17:56] <BUGabundo1> if you NEED your machine and CAN'T wait for fixed, you should be kept on stable
[17:57] <Ergo^> hehe... yeah, im just used to unstability of lenny, it was very workable stuff :]
[17:57] <alejandeus> 1.4 GB for the daily iso
[17:57] <alejandeus> not bad
[17:57] <BUGabundo1> ROFL
[17:57] <alejandeus> big ibex
[17:57] <BUGabundo1> really?
[17:57] <BUGabundo1> hummm
[17:57] <alejandeus> yep
[17:57] <BUGabundo1> strange
[17:57] <BUGabundo1> let me check mine
[17:57] <alejandeus> and had just updated before
[17:57] <Ergo^> 1.4 gb ?? how come ?
[17:57] <BUGabundo1> -rw-r--r-- 1 bugabundo bugabundo 697M 2008-09-05 17:14 /home/bugabundo/temp/intrepid-desktop-amd64.iso
[17:57] <BUGabundo1> -rw------- 1 bugabundo bugabundo    0 2008-09-05 17:19 /home/bugabundo/temp/intrepid-dvd-amd64.iso
[17:57] <BUGabundo1> -rw-r--r-- 1 bugabundo bugabundo 693M 2008-07-02 11:47 /home/bugabundo/temp/ubuntu-8.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso
[17:57] <BUGabundo1> -rw-r--r-- 1 bugabundo bugabundo 695M 2008-07-02 11:47 /home/bugabundo/temp/ubuntu-8.04.1-desktop-i386.iso
[17:57] <BUGabundo1> -rw-r--r-- 1 bugabundo bugabundo 545M 2008-07-02 12:23 /home/bugabundo/temp/xubuntu-8.04.1-desktop-i386.iso
[17:57] <alejandeus> allright, it said 1417 MB
[17:57] <BUGabundo1> mine is 697M
[17:58] <alejandeus> sorry
[17:58] <alejandeus> not the iso
[17:58] <alejandeus> I meant the update-manager -d
[17:58] <BUGabundo1> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[17:58] <Ergo^> .........
[17:58] <BUGabundo1> xiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
[17:58] <BUGabundo1> that many!!?!?!!?
[17:58] <alejandeus> excuse my confusion making
[17:58] <BUGabundo1> damn
[17:58] <alejandeus> 1708 files
[17:59] <alejandeus> 1 hour at 371 kB/s
[17:59] <BUGabundo1> alejandeus: are you using main ?!
[17:59] <alejandeus> partial upgrade message came up
[17:59] <BUGabundo1> try a closer mirror
[17:59] <alejandeus> ehhh... I think so...
[17:59] <alejandeus> 371 is not a bad speed at all
[17:59] <BUGabundo1> main is ALWAYS overloaded
[17:59] <BUGabundo1> is it not?
[17:59] <alejandeus> but Ill follow your wise advice
[18:00] <BUGabundo1> I'm at 1MiBs and think it is slow
[18:00] <alejandeus> changing to Polish
[18:00] <alejandeus> what connection do you have?
[18:00] <BUGabundo1> make sure they mirror INTREPID
[18:00] <BUGabundo1> many mirrors don't add TRUNK/devel versions
[18:00] <BUGabundo1> 24/640
[18:01] <BUGabundo1> adsl
[18:01] <tretle_> has any work been done on integrating pulse audio into gnome mixer properly yet?
[18:01] <Ng> BUGabundo1: it's more likely that the connection between you and archive.ubuntu.com is slow/congested. those servers are only "overloaded" when there are big updates (firefox/kernel/openoffice) or a new release
[18:01] <alejandeus> 24 MB,... I am at a 3MB daytime 6 nightitme
[18:01] <Ng> e.g. atm I am getting ~8MB/s from there to germany
[18:02] <alejandeus> doing the test to see which is selected as fastest
[18:02] <alejandeus> funny.... got a german one..... if only the poles knew...
[18:02] <alejandeus> now a swiss one
[18:03] <alejandeus> and now spain?=
[18:03] <alejandeus> joder
[18:05] <BUGabundo1> alejandeus: either wget a deb and check speed or use mtr to test the link
[18:06] <alejandeus> nahh... 3732.
[18:06] <alejandeus> one thing at a time...
[18:06] <alejandeus> I'm in no rush
[18:06] <alejandeus> besides.. I've never seen this connecting doing better than 372
[18:07] <BUGabundo1> lol
[18:09] <alejandeus> your 24MB is faster than what I get with my wireless and ubuntu in my intranet
[18:09] <alejandeus> anyhow... I'll let u guys know how its working
[18:09] <alejandeus> indeed 1708 files for download
[18:10]  * BUGabundo1 goes to get something to eat
[18:27] <momo> hello
[18:31] <alejandeus> hello
[18:33] <momo> i'm having troubles with intrepid; when i activate nvidia drivers, my wifi card still works, associate to acces point and give ip but i can't ping my router or browse web etc ...
[18:34] <momo> and without activating nvidia driver it works fine
[18:38] <BUGabundo> ping BUGabundo
[18:42] <Raspberry> Anybody have a good walkthru for connecting to Wireless / DHCP from the console?
[18:42] <Raspberry> dhclient doesn't find a DHCP server
[18:43] <Raspberry> althouh I know wireless is working :)
[18:43] <Raspberry> it sees the ESSID / AP w/o issue
[18:44] <Raspberry> the only reason I ask is because I can no longer login to my 8.10a4 system ... I get past gdm and instead of loading my session it sits at a tan screen w/o any hdd activity...  I deleted the contents of my home directory, but that didn't make a difference... it recreates the .gnome2 and other folders, so I know it's recognizing my user account
[18:45] <EruditeHermit> hey, does anyone know why alpha 5 isn't out yet?
[18:46] <Raspberry> nope
[19:09] <cyphase> hmm, found a bug in vino on intrepid.. if someone connects, it correctly removes the wallpaper. then if someone else connected, then disconnects, it puts the wallpaper back, even though there's still someone connected
[19:10] <Pici> cyphase: log a bug :)
[19:10] <cyphase> Pici: yea, i know :)
[19:10] <Pici> cyphase: okay, just making sure
[19:11] <cyphase> does anyone know if alpha 5 will work in virtualbox?
[19:27] <ToHellWithGA> i have title bars in all applications except firefox.  closing/killing firefox and reopening does not make the title bar reappear, nor does restarting the computer
[19:27] <xanax`> when will intrepid alpha 5 be released ?
[19:28] <dashavoo> xanax`, alpha5 is a myth, really it jumps from alpha4 to alpha6
[19:28] <xanax`> huh ?
[19:28] <jStefan> tbh, i'm still waiting for my cake!
[19:28] <dashavoo> They are never releasing intrepid alpha5, alpha6 will be here on the 18th
[19:28] <xanax`> I don't see the point for a version numbering jump
[19:29] <xanax`> ok
[19:29] <ToHellWithGA> i don't see a title bar in firefox
[19:29] <dashavoo> ToHellWithGA, title bars in firefox are a myth
[19:29] <ToHellWithGA> is my problem unique or is it related somehow to this combination of firefox/ubuntu versions?
[19:32] <jStefan> ToHellWithGA: http://ph.ubuntuforums.com/showthread.php?t=599010&page=2
[19:38] <bsnider> i solved the newwave error message
[19:45] <ToHellWithGA> jStefan: i only lose the title bar in firefox
[19:45] <ToHellWithGA> all other title bars are exactly as they should be
[19:45] <ToHellWithGA> it makes me think it is a firefox issue rather than a compiz issue
[19:45] <crdlb> ToHellWithGA: is firefox going fullscreen?
[19:45] <ToHellWithGA> the fact that such a compiz issue exists is making it impossible for me to find useful results in google because so many people whine about compiz trouble
[19:45] <jStefan> never heard of it before, that's just the result of a google search
[19:46] <ToHellWithGA> crdlb: it is not currently fullscreen.  f11 does put it into or out of a normal fullscreen mode
[19:46] <ToHellWithGA> after two days of this, caused by browsing to a site that managed to nag me with popups despite the blocker, i'm tempted to just make a list of extensions i'm using, backup my bookmarks, and remove my profile
[19:47] <crdlb> ToHellWithGA: so, you can move it around (alt+button1) and resize it (alt+button2)?
[19:47] <ToHellWithGA> i had to mash the everloving snot out of ctrl+w to close all of the popups
[19:47] <ToHellWithGA> i cannot move or resize it
[19:47] <ToHellWithGA> all other windows i can move and resize
[19:47] <crdlb> not even with alt+button1?
[19:48] <ToHellWithGA> not even with that
[19:48] <ToHellWithGA> i'm assuming you mean left mouse button
[19:49] <crdlb> yes
[19:49] <ToHellWithGA> if i didn't like images i'd switch to elinks permanently
[19:49] <ToHellWithGA> i already loathe bells and whistles based flash sites
[19:49] <Raspberry> anybody else having trouble even logging on after the latest kernel upgrade?
[19:50] <crdlb> ToHellWithGA: here's what I'd expect happened: that website resized your browser window to your exact screen resolution, which made the compiz Workarounds plugin decide that it was trying to go fullscreen
[19:51] <crdlb> oh, and firefox's fullscreen mode will continue to work as it does proper fullscreening (with _NET_WM_STATE_FULLSCREEN)
[19:52] <doggymenz> anyone can run the latest wine?
[19:52] <doggymenz> 1.1.3 or wahtever
[19:52] <doggymenz> in intrepid?
[19:52] <doggymenz> alpha5 still not announced. grrrrrrrrrr
[19:52] <crdlb> ToHellWithGA: you should turn off "Legacy fullscreen support" in ccsm > Workarounds, and you can use the Extra WM Actions plugin to create a fullscreen toggle (eg Ctrl+Alt+F)
[20:00] <jmckinzie> hello...any intrepid users that can help me?
[20:00] <jmckinzie> hello...any intrepid users that can help me?
[20:01] <jmckinzie> cannot get compiz fusion to work on my nvidia quadro nvs 440 card
[20:01] <jmckinzie> using triple monitor setup.
[20:01] <crdlb> :o
[20:01] <crdlb> how exactly is that set up?
[20:02] <jmckinzie> error: The composite extension is not available
[20:02] <jmckinzie> also, it is enabled in xorg.conf
[20:02] <crdlb> that just means you're using Xinerama
[20:02] <crdlb> with which, nvidia does not support composite
[20:02] <jmckinzie> its setup using the nvidia version 173 restricted drivers
[20:03] <jmckinzie> ok, how can i get compiz fusion to work then?
[20:03] <Turski> and i think it it doesn't support 3d-acceleration with winerama
[20:03] <Turski> xinerama*
[20:03] <jmckinzie> ohhh....i have xinera enabled
[20:03] <ToHellWithGA> crdlb: that worked.  what was happening?
[20:03] <crdlb> nvidia does support 3d xinerama, just not composite
[20:03] <jmckinzie> perhaps i should try disabling it
[20:04] <crdlb> ToHellWithGA: see "here's what I expect happened" :)
[20:04] <jmckinzie> ok....just not sure how to enable compiz fusion
[20:04] <crdlb> jmckinzie: does this card actually have 3 outputs? or are you using two cards?
[20:05] <jmckinzie> no card has two dvi outputs that are using spliters (cables) for up to 4 displays...i have 3
[20:05] <jmckinzie> displays
[20:05] <crdlb> ok
[20:06] <crdlb> so yeah, disable xinerama and see what happens
[20:06] <jmckinzie> perhaps i could provide my xorg.conf?
[20:06] <jmckinzie> ok....BRB
[20:06] <crdlb> I expect that two of the screens will be twinviewed together
[20:06] <ToHellWithGA> crdlb: got it
[20:06] <crdlb> and the last one will be separate
[20:06] <ToHellWithGA> that's obnoxious and cool at the same time
[20:06] <ToHellWithGA> perhaps i could disable websites' resizing my browser
[20:06] <jmckinzie> yes but how do i get the displays to act as 1 unit without xinerama?
[20:07] <crdlb> jmckinzie: you can't
[20:07] <jmckinzie> so i have to have 1 display not functional...that sucls
[20:07] <jmckinzie> sucks
[20:08] <crdlb> it wouldn't be non-functional ...
[20:08] <crdlb> just a separate screen
[20:08] <jmckinzie> cant drag screens across....
[20:08] <crdlb> and I'm just guessing based on my limited knowledge of nvidia
[20:08] <jmckinzie> is what i meant.
[20:08] <crdlb> so try it before making a decision :)
[20:09] <jmckinzie> yes, you are right...i have spent hours trying to get this to work 1 will be twinview and the otttther seperate x display
[20:09] <Pici> crdlb: Do you happen to know if ATI's restricted drivers are working in Intrepid currently? There was an issue with the xorg version a bit a go and I figured you might know if that was resolved.
[20:11] <x1250> I've made deb packages for pidgin-2.5.1, so if anyone is interested here they are: http://rapidshare.com/files/142903111/pidgin_2.5.1.tar.gz.html
[20:11] <crdlb> Pici: I haven't heard anything, so as far as I know, both fglrx and nvidia-glx-96 are broken
[20:11] <crdlb> Pici: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/247376
[20:11] <crdlb> yep, still broken
[20:12] <Pici> crdlb: oh well, thanks :)
[20:12] <jmckinzie> crdlb....BRB restarting X
[20:13] <noodlesgc> does anyone know why A5 is not out?
[20:23] <noodlesgc> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/hardy/alpha5 but the download links dont work :(
[20:23] <pwnguin> hmm. apparently next week is ubuntu+2 naming time
[20:24]  * pwnguin votes for jackalope
[20:24] <crdlb> jumping jackalope
[20:24] <danbhfive> where is the list?
[20:24] <pwnguin> i think they're saying brainstorm
[20:26] <jStefan> noodlesgc, that reads "hardy"
[20:26] <noodlesgc> :( oops, I am stupid
[20:26] <CarlFK> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ intrepid-desktop-i386.iso       04-Sep-2008 09:45  696M
[20:27] <CarlFK> ok, few hours late...
[20:27] <Pici> !codename
[20:28] <Pici> !codenames
[20:29] <momo> does anyone knows what is exaclty linux-restricted-modules-2.6.27-2-generic ?
[20:30] <eeejay> so when will the alpha5 iso reach the ftp sites?
[20:32] <CarlFK> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/  no A5 - who said it exists ?
[20:38] <doggymenz> alpha5 not out
[20:38] <doggymenz> its almost 2 day late
[20:38] <doggymenz> it suppose go out sep 4
[20:38] <doggymenz> now is sep 5, almost sep 6 in 2,5 hour
[20:38] <doggymenz> anyone ran the latest wine on intrepid?
[20:39] <danbhfive> lol, jackass?
[20:40] <pwnguin> jabberwocky
[20:40] <pwnguin> maybe it's time for blueJay
[20:40] <danbhfive> jumpity junebug
[20:40] <danbhfive> joyous jellyfish
[20:40] <pwnguin> jank
[20:41] <noodlesgc> why were the first ubuntu's not following the naming convention?
[20:41] <danbhfive> jolted jackass
[20:41] <danbhfive> you should click the link, it tells the background
[20:41] <alejandeus> junkie jaguar
[20:42] <noodlesgc> why did they skip 'A'
[20:42] <pwnguin> because they started with w :P
[20:43] <noodlesgc> why no 'C'?
[20:43] <alejandeus> jinxed jackal
[20:44] <danbhfive> ooo, we can skip j
[20:44] <danbhfive> kooky koala!
[20:47] <bsnider> jinxed jackal is what they should have called vista
[20:47] <alejandeus> http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Which_animals_start_with_the_letter_J
[20:47] <alejandeus> I'd go for Jinxed Jackass
[20:47] <alejandeus> for Vistga that is
[20:47] <bsnider> blister
[20:49] <noodlesgc> 'U' should be Ubuntu Ubuntu
[20:50] <bsnider> by the time they get that far, they'll be a subsidiary of hte microsloth corporation
[20:50] <tech404> so the current daily is a5?
[20:52] <danbhfive> jaundiced jackass       thats just gross...
[20:52] <danbhfive> but hey, they pick em!
[20:54] <bsnider> jaundiced jackass, you mean john mccain?
[20:55] <pwnguin> no, his codename is jutting jaw. close though
[20:57] <Bert_2> Sorry, is alpha5 postponed or did I miss the announcement ?
[20:57] <pwnguin> i think there's been some concern about the images failing tests
[20:58] <noodlesgc> Bert_2 I dont know if there was an announcement, but it is apparently delayed.
[20:58] <bsnider> i'd definitely like to see them wait for a kernel update first, but whatever
[20:58] <pwnguin> from what im reading, it seems like a release is immenent
[20:59] <Bert_2> noodlesgc: okey, thx
[20:59] <bsnider> every morning i set down at this machine and it has crashed overnight
[21:00] <pwnguin> have you reported the bugs?
[21:00] <bsnider> hahaha
[21:01] <bsnider> da kernel's dead and somthin' done kil't it, but i dunno what
[21:03] <pwnguin> i dont see why a kernel update would fix it then
[21:03] <dashavoo> Yay!
[21:03] <dashavoo> Alpha 5!
[21:04] <Bert_2> dashavoo: has it been released ?
[21:04] <noodlesgc> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/intrepid/
[21:04] <dashavoo> no :( the script seems to have lied
[21:04] <noodlesgc> no, it did not lie
[21:05] <dashavoo> I didn't think it would, but it isn't there
[21:05] <Bert_2> noodlesgc: dashavoo: the directory is still empty, perhaps they're uploading it or something...
[21:05] <dashavoo> Yeah, maybe
[21:05] <noodlesgc> yes, it looks like it.
[21:06] <dashavoo> The funny thing is, when the whatsit popped up to say it had been released, it seriously made me jump
[21:06] <dashavoo> lol
[21:06] <solarion> where's the link to the iso for intrepid?
[21:07] <Bert_2> solarion: it hasn't released yet
[21:07] <bsnider> on the internet
[21:07] <dashavoo> intrepid isn't released until October, alpha5 hasn't been uploaded yet
[21:07] <solarion> Bert_2: not alpha4 or alpha5?
[21:07] <tech404> Does anyone know if/why util-linux is still using volid? The change log suggests that the maintainers plan to move to blkid for intrepid but I can't find much more info on it. Is there a reason we have decided not to stay with debian on this one?
[21:07] <solarion> dashavoo: any eta on that?
[21:07] <dashavoo> nope
[21:07] <Bert_2> solarion: we're still waiting for the release of alpha5 (it has been delayed)
[21:08] <dashavoo> hopefully soon
[21:08] <solarion> dang.  Looks like alpha4 has been taken down
[21:08] <pwnguin> tech404: wouldn't the right people to ask be the laast uploaders?
[21:08] <solarion> I suppose I have a bit longer before my hardware arrives anyway
[21:08] <bsnider> get the daily-live cd
[21:08] <Bert_2> solarion: yeah, so we think they're uploading alpha5
[21:08] <jStefan> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/intrepid/alpha-5/
[21:08] <pwnguin> solarion: slangsek seems to be pushing out alpha5 righit now
[21:08] <jStefan> getting closer
[21:10]  * Bert_2 is excited :D
[21:10] <pwnguin> jumpin' joey
[21:11] <pwnguin> which channel supervises brainstorm?
[21:11] <tsuther> yeah
[21:12] <dashavoo> I reckon creating that source directory was just a cruel joke on somebody's behalf
[21:12] <solarion> bsnider: where is daily livecd?
[21:13] <bsnider> i'd tell you but i'm watching tennis
[21:13] <Bert_2> no no
[21:13] <Bert_2> the page came up
[21:13] <solarion> ah, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[21:13] <Bert_2> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/intrepid/alpha-5/
[21:13] <Bert_2> the webpage is up
[21:13] <dashavoo> Aha, so it did!
[21:13] <solarion> bsnider: at least your response doesn't require my demise.  ;)
[21:13] <Bert_2> and the ISO's are up :D
[21:14]  * Bert_2 is downloading 8.10Alpha5 Desktop amd64
[21:14] <noodlesgc> the iso's are not up
[21:14] <bsnider> you found it without my help
[21:14] <pwnguin> heh, with this much anticipation
[21:14] <Bodsda> the dvd iso link wasnt giving me any joy today, any known reason why it downloaded a 700byte file?
[21:14] <pwnguin> there should be a release party ;0
[21:14] <Bert_2> noodlesgc: and what are the iso's on this page: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/intrepid/alpha-5/
[21:14] <solarion> bsnider: I just effing googled it.  ;)
[21:15] <bsnider> google is your effing friend
[21:15] <Bert_2> pwnguin: yeah, release party :D :P
[21:15]  * dashavoo is also downloading it
[21:15] <noodlesgc> Bert_2 all i get is a page that says, Parent Directory, and source/
[21:15] <pwnguin> noodlesgc: theres likely a lot of servers on round robin
[21:15] <pwnguin> some will get updated before others
[21:15] <noodlesgc> nvm, i am stupid
[21:15] <Bert_2> noodlesgc: what pwnguin says :P
[21:16] <bsnider> it doesn't have pulseaudio 9.11
[21:16] <Bert_2> bsnider: where do you see the release notes ?
[21:16] <bsnider> the reason i know that is that it wasn't offered as an update today
[21:17] <noodlesgc> wait, using the torrent is pretty useless right?
[21:17] <Bert_2> bsnider: aaaah :o
[21:17] <dashavoo> pwnguin, I already had loads of food and drink to keep me going with the wait... but I am still up for a party
[21:17] <Bert_2> noodlesgc: guess so :P
[21:17] <bsnider> you can check the manifest to see what files are on it
[21:17] <pwnguin> dashavoo: well, we can serve up bug report cocktails
[21:17] <dashavoo> pwnguin, lol
[21:17] <pwnguin> and bitesize bugfixes ;)
[21:17] <Bert_2> pwnguin: jummy :D
[21:18] <Bert_2> for those on alpha4: does nspluginwrapper still suck (64-bit) ?
[21:18] <bsnider> yes it does
[21:18] <Bert_2> sorry, shouldn't have used that word
[21:18] <bsnider> totally unusuable with fireforks
[21:18] <Bert_2> bsnider: okey
[21:19] <bsnider> fireforks will crash instantly on flash sites
[21:19] <Bert_2> bsnider: do you know why it works better with opera ?
[21:19] <dashavoo> What is fireforks?
[21:19] <dashavoo> ah
[21:19] <dashavoo> firefox
[21:19] <lubosz> no a5 today
[21:19] <lubosz> omgh
[21:19] <noodlesgc> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/alpha5
[21:19] <lubosz> yay!
[21:19] <bsnider> because opera has better support for flash 10's windowless mode
[21:19] <lubosz> then edit this link :D https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseSchedule
[21:19] <bsnider> grab epiphany. it can use flash 10
[21:19] <Raspberry> ISOs aren't out yet
[21:19] <Raspberry> link works :P
[21:20] <Bert_2> bsnider: I'm now on hardy with flashplayer9 and also here flash works a lot better in opera, I don't understand why
[21:20] <lubosz> anyone figured out how to compile epiphany with webkit?
[21:20] <bsnider> you don't have to compile it
[21:20] <bsnider> it's included in intrepid
[21:21] <lubosz> are there debs already?
[21:21] <lubosz> it is?
[21:21] <lubosz> nice
[21:21] <bsnider> yes
[21:21] <Raspberry> anybody have a good walkthru on how to get wireless dhcp working from the console?
[21:21] <bsnider> you can choose not to install epiphany-gecko and install epiphany-webkit instead
[21:21] <Bert_2> does anyone know a browser that works stable with nspluginwrapper but that has support for firefox extentions ?
[21:21] <bsnider> impossible
[21:22] <bsnider> because only flash 10 is available in intrepid and it's a firefox design issue
[21:22] <Bert_2> bsnider: this proves yet again that the 64bit world seems to hate me...
[21:23] <bsnider> i cheated. i took the libflashplugin.so for flash 9 and replaced the one in intrepid
[21:23] <Bert_2> bsnider: so I guess mozilla isn't going to fix that very soon...
[21:23] <bsnider> fireforks 3.1 will havea  fix guaranteed
[21:23] <Bert_2> bsnider: are you on 64bit ?
[21:23] <bsnider> and when that comes out in the 26th century, we'll all rejoice
[21:23] <bsnider> yes i am
[21:23] <dashavoo> Raspberry, what is your problem?
[21:24] <Bert_2> bsnider: how can you use libflashplugin.so, my systems use nspluginwrapper for everything, am I doing something wrong then ? (this is on my hardy system)
[21:25] <bsnider> do you have a directory on your system called /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree?
[21:26] <jStefan> torrent doesnt seem to be moving :(
[21:26] <Bert_2> bsnider: yeah, and it contains the file you talked about
[21:26] <dashavoo> jStefan, probably because it hasn't got round enough people yet, which image you after?
[21:26] <bsnider> that is flash
[21:26] <noodlesgc> jStefan yeah, i tried it, too. Instead i just used axel.
[21:26] <jStefan> intrepid-desktop-i386
[21:26] <jStefan> should be the most common?
[21:27] <bsnider> i replaced it with flash 9's file. on intrepid this fixes the problem, because flash 9 doesn't have that windowless mode crap that's causing the fireforks crashes
[21:27] <jStefan> it's the first time i use transmission, i wonder if something could be wrong
[21:27] <Bert_2> bsnider: and if I do something with that file, does that change anything to how much flash9 also sucks on hardy in firefox ?
[21:27] <noodlesgc> jStefan it just came out, so theres really not many seeders
[21:27] <jStefan> isn't the server itself a seed?
[21:28] <bsnider> Bert_2, if you think it sucks on hardy, you haven't seen anything yet. it's as  good as it's going to get with fireforks 3.0
[21:28] <dashavoo> jStefan, if you were after 64bit I would have said once I download it I will torrent it for a bit
[21:28] <noodlesgc> jStefan i guess so. I'm getting 830Kb/s over http
[21:28] <bsnider> and it isn't an amd64 issue
[21:28] <jStefan> dashavoo, i have the 64 bit on the list but, stopped for later
[21:28] <Bert_2> bsnider: ******** flash
[21:28] <bsnider> no, bleep fireforks
[21:28] <Bert_2> bsnider: ow, so flash makes firefox crash on 8.04 32 and 64 bit ?
[21:29] <Bert_2> bsnider: I try not to blame any open source projects :P
[21:29] <bsnider> as far as i know
[21:29] <bsnider> beacuse it has to do with windowless mode
[21:29] <bsnider> fireforks doesn't support it no matter what the platform
[21:30] <bsnider> there are OTHER issues with flash on 64 bit though
[21:30] <Bert_2> bsnider: I was talking about the flash 9 crashes
[21:30] <dashavoo> lets all use swfdec instead
[21:30] <noodlesgc> dashavoo thats what I use
[21:30] <Bert_2> dashavoo: if swfdec would have all functions flash has I would
[21:30] <dashavoo> noodlesgc, I never have used it, but I saw a talk on it at LRL this year, so I intend to give it a go
[21:31] <noodlesgc> dashavoo its not great, youtube doesn't really work, I just use the firefox flashblock plugin, and never use flash sites.
[21:31] <dashavoo> ah =(
[21:31] <dashavoo> maybe I won't bother then
[21:33] <Bert_2> almost on 70% :D
[21:33] <bsnider> if you do a lot of flash browsing on the web, intrepid will cause you nightmares
[21:34] <Bert_2> bsnider: are they going to release it with those bugs/errors in it ?
[21:34] <bsnider> release what when?
[21:34] <noodlesgc> done!
[21:34] <Bert_2> bsnider: intrepid
[21:35] <dashavoo> ok, I am seeding intrepid-desktop-amd64.iso until my stuff finishes copying over to my external harddrive, and then I am formatting my harddrive to install alpha5
[21:35] <bsnider> they'll go back to flash 9 probably
[21:35] <Bert_2> bsnider: that's a good idea I think
[21:36] <Jordan_U> bsnider: What problems are you having, I have just been seeing flickering but far fewer crashes
[21:36] <bsnider> fireforks doesn't support flash 10's windowless mode, so it crashes frequently
[21:37] <Bert_2> bsnider: isn't there a way (like an --option) to disable that function ?
[21:37] <bsnider> i don't care if there is, since i manually installed flash 9 and that fixed the problem
[21:38] <Bert_2> bsnider: k
[21:38] <Jordan_U> bsnider: They could always just disable windowless mode, or would that cause more problems?
[21:39] <bsnider> who could disable it in what?
[21:39] <bsnider> using flash 9 solves the problem
[21:39] <Jordan_U> bsnider: Ubuntu in the flash plugin
[21:39] <Jordan_U> bsnider: But brings back other problems
[21:39] <bsnider> there's nothing especially wrong with flash 9
[21:40] <Jordan_U> bsnider: You have to be kidding me
[21:40] <Bert_2> bsnider: except that it messes up if it's on a 64bit system with firefox
[21:40] <bsnider> works alright here
[21:40] <jStefan> intrepid-desktop-i386.torrent still no activity
[21:40] <Bert_2> bsnider: so you don't have the gray flash screens and certain flash video players who don't work ?
[21:41] <bsnider> yes i do
[21:41] <bsnider> occasionally
[21:41] <Bert_2> bsnider: I have it very very often...
[21:41] <_Zeus_> yay a5
[21:41] <bsnider> it is also the fault of fireforks
[21:41] <bsnider> you said yourself that it doesn't happen in opera
[21:41] <Bert_2> bsnider: do you know what's causing the error in firefox then ?
[21:42] <bsnider> no
[21:42] <Bert_2> bsnider: yeah, it's odd that it doesn't happen in opera :s
[21:42] <_Zeus_> bbl people going to upgrade to a5
[21:42] <dashavoo> jStefan, I am uploading on the 64 bit torrent
[21:42] <bsnider> i know since it doesn't happen in other browsers that it is clearly a fireforks problem
[21:44] <dashavoo> jStefan, if the torrent isn't downloading for you, why don't you just use http?
[21:45] <jStefan> i like to support p2p :P
[21:45] <dholbert> jStefan: I'm downloading via http and then gonna seed after that & support in that way
[21:45] <dashavoo> You support it better if you download it via http and then help seed with the torrent
[21:45] <dholbert> what dashavoo said
[21:45] <dashavoo> dholbert, yeah, that is what I did/am doing with the 64bit image
[21:45] <Bert_2> finally finished downloading :D
[21:46] <dholbert> intrepid-desktop-i386 seems to have some peers
[21:46] <Bert_2> burning...
[21:46] <dholbert> intrepid-alternate has none
[21:46] <jStefan> i have a feeling it's my p2p client
[21:46] <jStefan> i never used transmission before
[21:46] <dashavoo> jStefan, which version of transmission are you using?
[21:46] <dholbert> jStefan: I only just now got a few peers
[21:46] <dholbert> jStefan: up until 1 min ago, it only saw 1 peer
[21:46] <dholbert> jStefan: (I'm using transmission too)
[21:46] <jStefan> dholbert, hardy's
[21:47] <dholbert> jStefan:  metoo
[21:48] <dashavoo> jStefan, I don't think hardy version of transmission had the ability to check if the port was open on the firewall, but if it does you can check by going to Edit>Preferences>Peers
[21:48] <lore20> hi
[21:48] <dashavoo> I stopped using hardy's transmission because of a bug that meant it crashed my gdm session
[21:48] <lore20> intrepid fail to boot after the last update
[21:48] <bsnider> why use transmission when deluge is clearly the best?
[21:49] <tech404> deluge+1
[21:49] <jStefan> says port is open (as it should)
[21:49] <dashavoo> yeah
[21:49] <dashavoo> not a transmission problem then
[21:51] <Bert_2> I'm going to boot and install it now
[21:51] <Bert_2> thx for this chat ;)
[21:51] <Bert_2> bye
[21:52] <jStefan> i'll just leave it there a while, and be more patient, bbl
[21:52] <jStefan> thanks
[21:54] <dashavoo> man, I haven't even uploaded 100mb yet =(
[21:54] <dholbert> bsnider: because transmission is default? :)
[21:55] <bsnider> that's true
[21:55] <bsnider> very much so
[21:57] <avis> how is alpha 5 doing ?
[21:59] <dashavoo> avis, about to install it and see
[21:59] <dashavoo> :)
[22:01] <dashavoo> why does my computer find reading and burning cds so difficult? it  makes such a noise when it is doing so!
[22:01] <noodlesgc> does anyone else get kernel panic trying to boot in virtualbox (using the i386 image)?
[22:03] <mneptok> noodlesgc: that is one ugly /quit msg. what's it supposed to do?
[22:03] <dashavoo> Time to install alpha5, back later
[22:03] <noodlesgc> mneptok its a uh, well virus
[22:03] <noodlesgc> dont run it
[22:03] <mneptok> noodlesgc: as i suspected
[22:04] <mneptok> noodlesgc: if you /quit with that message again you will be banned from Ubuntu IRC namespace
[22:04] <noodlesgc> :(
[22:04] <noodlesgc> really?
[22:04] <mneptok> yes, really.
[22:04] <noodlesgc> ok, changing it now, sorry.
[22:05] <mneptok> do you think virus propagation is in line with the Ubuntu Code Of Conduct?
[22:05] <noodlesgc> I really didn't think about it.
[22:06] <mneptok> and i think that's where you went wrong :)
[22:06] <mneptok> thanks for playing by the rules. much appreciated.
[22:07] <noodlesgc> ill think from now on! :D g2g
[22:16] <x1250> does someone else have problems with pidgin + MSN protocol when invisible? Connection dies here with a "read error". This happens every time I change my status to invisible, even when trying to connect as invisible from the beginning.
[22:27] <dashavoo> Does alpha5 communicate via morsecode instead of a normal visual interface?
[22:28] <dashavoo> If so, fine, if not, my system beeper is going crazy with the alpha5 live cd
[22:28] <eeejay> dashavoo: yes, but your ear to the harddrive, you should hear it
[22:29] <dashavoo> eeejay, I don't need to, I hear it through my system beeper
[22:29] <eeejay> dashavoo: is it booting?
[22:30] <dashavoo> eeejay, cd goes on, I select install from the menu, and then it beeps, alot... the installer starts etc, not finished the process yet, but maaan it is annoying!
[22:30] <pwnguin> dashavoo: does X come up?
[22:30] <eeejay> dashavoo: can't wait to try it myself :)
[22:30] <dashavoo> pwnguin, yeah
[22:30] <dashavoo> eeejay, lol
[22:31] <pwnguin> dashavoo: can you check the contents dmesg?
[22:32] <eeejay> this is what bittorrent was made for, it's so awesome
[22:32] <dashavoo> pwnguin, I didn't boot the livecd bit, I selected install ubuntu, so all I have is the installer, not the rest of the desktop environment... and the font on alt+F1 etc. is too big to read
[22:35] <pwnguin> dashavoo: so X doesnt come up
[22:36] <pwnguin> maybe i should try a liveCD again some time and seee how it works these day
[22:36] <pwnguin> s
[22:36] <x1250> dashavoo, if nothing helps, you can deactivate the speaker using: $ sudo sh -c "echo blacklist pcspkr >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist"
[22:37] <eeejay> which kernel is in alpha5? *-2 or *-3?
[22:37] <pwnguin> x1250: i think you need to rmmod the pcspkr module
[22:37] <falstaff> hello
[22:38] <falstaff> i installed ibex today. After some time my screen went black, but i have disabled all standby settings, why?
[22:38] <x1250> pwnguin, that works for me, I use it all the time
[22:38] <falstaff> the box is working, i can connect over ssh
[22:38] <falstaff> so it seems that just graphics went down... Ctrl+Alt+F1 doesnt work
[22:39] <falstaff> any idea how to debug?
[22:40] <|dupondje|> Network-Manager still doesn't save anything
[22:41] <|dupondje|> crappy thing :(
[22:42] <dashavoo> pwnguin, I am sshing in so I can get the dmesg
[22:49] <_Zeus_> well, a5 booted.  That's a good sign :P
[22:49] <x1250> a5 was released?
[22:49] <_Zeus_> yeah
[22:50] <_Zeus_> about 1hr ago
[22:50] <_Zeus_> !intrepid
[22:50] <_Zeus_> argh
[22:50] <x1250> great :)
[22:50] <_Zeus_> go to cdimage.ubuntu.com
[22:50] <x1250> yeah, I have the address
[22:50] <_Zeus_> or just check out the wiki page
[22:50] <_Zeus_> brb
[22:51] <_Zeus_> SWEET!!!!!
[22:51] <Killeroid> hi, i am going to wipe my hd and reinstall in a few minutes. I am considering switching to reiserfs. is that a good idea? I am using a laptop btw but the laptop is almost always plugged in.
[22:51] <_Zeus_> intrepid uses nano for visudo :P
[22:51] <_Zeus_> Killeroid: i guess.... don't think you'll notice a performance increase
[22:51] <x1250> Killeroid, not for what I have read, or better ask in #debian, they are known to hate reiserfs
[22:52] <x1250> they'll recommend you ext3
[22:52] <Killeroid> hehe,thanks, i will ask in debian and see what the consensus is
[22:54] <dashavoo> pwnguin, that is the dmesg of the beep-crazy installer cd: http://dashavoo.com/dmesg_alpha5.txt
[22:56] <_Zeus_> man they slap all these warnings on alphas :P
[22:56] <dashavoo> ok there is already a bug on launchpad, I will attach my dmesg to it :)
[22:57] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/259214
[22:57] <dupondje> any id's ? :(
[23:09] <m_newton> how do I see the version of intrepid
[23:10] <dashavoo> magic
[23:10] <Killeroid> hahaha
[23:10] <dashavoo> I would say try "System>About Ubuntu" but for me it just complains about badly formed xml
[23:11] <m_newton> k
[23:12] <x1250> m_newton, or $ cat /etc/issue
[23:15] <dashavoo> Well as being as it seems that alpha5 isn't usable for me yet, I guess I will set about reinstalling hardy... or perhaps another distro of my choosing, for a change
[23:15] <bsnider> dashavoo, what's wrong with it?
[23:16] <dashavoo> bsnider, system beep goes crazy, and since that is probably a signal that it is having trouble with some hardware I don't want to risk any serious damage
[23:17] <bsnider> try booting the .26 kernel
[23:17] <dashavoo> can I do that from the livecd?
[23:17] <bsnider> no
[23:17] <dashavoo> ah, because the beeping occurs on the livecd too
[23:18] <bsnider> sometimes that beep happens, sometimes it doesn't
[23:18] <dashavoo> it really was driving me mad... I had to put on some very loud music to cover it up
[23:18] <dashavoo> bsnider, you get it too?
[23:18] <bsnider> yes
[23:18] <bsnider> sometimes
[23:18] <Raspberry> my system won't load a session since I updated to the latest kernel
[23:18] <dashavoo> I have had it every time I have tried so far, but I will try again
[23:19] <bsnider> flea power it
[23:19] <dashavoo> beeping again
[23:19] <dashavoo> >=(
[23:19] <dashavoo> loud css to cover it up
[23:20] <x1250> dashavoo, did you tried what I told you?
[23:20] <dashavoo> x1250, I didn't see your suggestion, what was it?
[23:21] <dashavoo> oh, I see, blacklist the pcspkr module
[23:21] <x1250> yes, $ sudo sh -c "echo blacklist pcspkr >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist"
[23:22] <bsnider> devilish plan
[23:22] <dashavoo> since I am on the livecd I will just rmmod it for now, if I do install it to disk I will do that
[23:22] <x1250> dashavoo, and you can follow it by a $ sudo modprobe -r pcspkr
[23:23] <dashavoo> x1250, FATAL: Module pcspkr not found.
[23:23] <dashavoo> I am stuck with it, it seems
[23:24] <vistakiller> hi
[23:24] <dashavoo> hey vistakiller
[23:25] <vistakiller> second problem in my kubuntu hardy
[23:25] <vistakiller> asoundconf alwayes crash
[23:29] <x1250> dashavoo, no idea why is not there, that never happened here...
[23:29] <vistakiller> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-utils/+bug/263116
[23:30] <dashavoo> x1250, that just seconds my view that I should go no further with intrepid until the next alpha... just incase whatever is causing the beeping also causes hardware damage somehow
[23:31] <x1250> dashavoo, ok, but better report the issue so the devs know about it
[23:32] <bsnider> you're likely to have more problems with it than just the beep
[23:33] <dashavoo> the beeping is already in launchpad from someone else, I have added my dmesg to the bug, I will edit it now to add that pcspkr is apparently not there
[23:33] <cyphase> Pici: see, i filed a bug :) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vino/+bug/266932
[23:33] <cyphase> and there it is. thanks ubottu ;)
[23:33] <dashavoo> bsnider, I realise that, but problems that involve just software I can deal with... when it involves something as low level as the system beep I am in uncharted regions for me
[23:35] <jStefan> hello again
[23:36] <dashavoo> Hey jStefan
[23:39] <doggymenz> anyone here run latest wine?
[23:40] <_Zeus_> what's with the ugly new theme in 8.10?
[23:41] <_Zeus_> is everything supposed to be gray and blah and such?
[23:41] <bsnider> i'd say the kernel is the big problem right now. yeah, there are little problems with furryfox and gnome and things like that, but it's the crashes and weird beeps that are the big showstoppers
[23:41] <bsnider> and there hasn't been a kernel update in a few days
[23:41] <_Zeus_> i get the weird beeps :P
[23:41] <void^> works perfectly fine for me ;)
[23:41] <_Zeus_> sometimes i have to reboot a couple times before it actually starts
[23:42] <_Zeus_> does everyone else have this ugly new theme?
[23:42] <bsnider> right, sometimes i have to reboot a couple of times too
[23:42] <bsnider> what theme?
[23:42] <dashavoo> _Zeus_, do you mean newhuman?
[23:42] <_Zeus_> no
[23:42] <dashavoo> the dark theme?
[23:42] <_Zeus_> no
[23:42] <_Zeus_> for some reason when i booted everything looked really oldish
[23:43] <dashavoo> Oh
[23:43] <dashavoo> that happened to me with the livecd
[23:43] <_Zeus_> like a 5-year old GTK app
[23:43] <_Zeus_> the livecd was fine for me but it had another weird theme
[23:43] <dashavoo> just open the appearance settings thing and choose the human and it goes back to what you would expect
[23:43] <void^> oh, i always have to start gnome-settings-daemon manually
[23:44] <void^> hm.. i have to break the boot process because lrm-manager stalls, manually start udev, bring up lo and start gdm.. so works perfectly fine was probably a bit of an overstatement .. :]
[23:46] <bsnider> if you leave it on overnight does it crash?
[23:46] <x1250> newhuman theme looks really ugly with light input boxes, I don't like the contrast :S
[23:51] <jStefan> is it possible to install the .27 kernel on hardy by using the intrepid deb package ?
[23:52] <dupondje> no
[23:56] <zerwas> Are there good (usable) open drivers for my radeon 3850? (i ask because fglrx isn't working with xserver 1.5) at the moment i am using "radeon", but it looks like it is not capable of 3D/Compositing
[23:56] <dupondje> fglrx (8.522): Installing module.
[23:56] <dupondje> ........(bad exit status: 7)
[23:56] <dupondje>   Build failed.  Installation skipped.
[23:56] <_Zeus_> i just found a huge bug with a5
[23:56] <dupondje> any id ?
[23:56] <_Zeus_> UUID=b580dfdb-cbb5-45c1-a6e8-e721d9fa2a21 /               ext3    relatime,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[23:57] <_Zeus_> that's from the fstab
[23:57] <_Zeus_> it might just be me but i don't think "relatime" is a valid option
[23:57] <crdlb> zerwas: that's the best you're going to get until fglrx is fixed
[23:57] <dashavoo> _Zeus_, it is
[23:57] <dashavoo> it is a real option
[23:57] <_Zeus_> ???
[23:58] <_Zeus_> isn't it "realtime"?
[23:58] <zerwas> crdlb, thanks for the info
[23:58] <dashavoo> no
[23:58] <_Zeus_> what in the world does "relatime" do then?
[23:58] <dashavoo> relatime = relative atime
[23:58] <zerwas> crdlb, i bet it will take (at least) months until fglrx is fixed
[23:59] <_Zeus_> huh
[23:59] <_Zeus_> never knew that
[23:59] <dashavoo> _Zeus_, nor me, I googled it when you  mentioned it