=== BaD-Lapt1p is now known as BaD-Laptop === dashavoo_ is now known as dashavoo === Dedicated is now known as dedi_away [01:17] any word on alpha 5? [01:17] i'm shaking with anticipation [01:18] me too, is there where the alpha 5 release party is held? ... i hope they have cake [01:19] s/there/this [01:19] it's illegal to have release parties for alphas [01:20] hmm, can we still have cake? [01:21] the cake is a lie [01:21] :( [01:22] yeah, last time i actually got in on things with alpha 3, but this time around, the stable release supports my hardware [01:22] i actually bought this dell with gutsy... inspiron 1420n [01:23] i've been doing upgrades since: dapper - alpha5 (but it wasn't called alpha back then) [01:24] * RAOF misses the old "flight", "colony" and "knot". [01:24] * Jordan_U does too [01:24] the same hard drive pretty much has switched systems like 3 times :P [01:24] ethana2: Have you upgraded to Hardy? [01:26] of course [01:26] ethana2: Did / does everything still work OOTB ? [01:26] i had some trouble with hibernate [01:26] found out it was swapoff [01:26] ;) [01:27] Heh. Don't we all ;) [01:27] i expected my webcam to be more amazing.. [01:27] * Jordan_U doesn't for the first time with this lappy ! [01:27] maybe they meant it was 2 million pixels per second or something [01:27] i just recently found out why my usplash was going back to text mode (swap releated too) [01:29] sometimes i feel i've been upgrading for so long that i have obsolete configs laying around [01:29] i do clean installs out of paranoia [01:29] i actually had to remove pulseaudio to get all my sound working [01:30] it's not on this system at all [01:30] i haven't done a clean install yet (since that dapper alpha) [01:30] and i love pulseaudio, i was playing with it back on gutsy and maybe even fiesty.. I've used it as an intercom system, i've used it to split one desktop machine into a dual seat.. [01:31] but i have done a lot of purging of packages [01:31] jStefan: I was going to ask, how many old kernels do you have lying around ? :) [01:31] a maximum of 1 spare [01:32] i get rid of the old ones once i know the new one boots [01:54] when is alpha5 announced? [02:05] hi [02:05] is there a estimated release date for alpha 5? [02:06] i thought about trying the daily build [02:06] todays [02:06] afaik, estimated is today, but i dont know at which time of day [02:07] September 4th was scheudled [02:07] scheduled [02:07] any recommendations for dual booting hardy and intrepid? [02:07] will the setup overwrite my grub? [02:08] now is sep 5, and it still not out, i cry [02:08] it's sept 4 here :P [02:08] im from sweden, we live in the future [02:09] haha [02:09] it's sad 'cause it's true [02:20] my pidgin crashed badly [02:21] mine crashes all the time [02:21] its 3:20 sep 5 in germany btw [02:21] and alpha 5 isnt there yet :D [02:21] first crash since a long time [02:21] hello all [02:21] i thing the system has to be unstable when pigin crashes ^^ [02:22] i'm copying 9 GB VMs to a ntfs drive :D, that costs a lot of cpu [02:22] can anyone tell me how to prevent xubuntu from reloading a previous session when I restart [02:22] i switch back to ext3 next time :D [02:22] i dont know xfce so well, but did you try the sessions option thingy? [02:22] yeah [02:22] even when disabled [02:22] it still restarts to previous session [02:23] system => prefs => sessins in gnome [02:23] hm [02:23] so you dont like your old sessions :D [02:23] in xfce its system>settings manager>sessions and startup [02:24] loads too long, huh? [02:24] and I disabled "automatically save session on logout" [02:24] yeah [02:24] takes like 90seconds from the login screen to usable [02:24] :D [02:24] then i would say that you have a bug in xfce, when he does not take the option [02:24] I run xfce for things to be snappy [02:24] not slow [02:24] maybe delete your options folder? [02:24] but maybe you want to keep that options [02:24] .xfce or such? [02:25] note sure, havent done much work with options folder [02:25] I've only been running linux for about 6 months now [02:25] and then you decided to try an unstable xubuntu? [02:25] using an alpha because LTS doesn't support my hardware very well [02:26] you have to have damn new hardware [02:26] nvidia 280? [02:26] I'm sure I could have got things running with time [02:26] but it was a crunch - moving to dorms and all [02:26] what hardware isnt supported by hardy? [02:26] sound [02:26] the only thing i know is the newer nvidia driver stuff [02:26] and video out of the box [02:26] hmk [02:27] was able to get video working properly in hardy [02:27] but 8.10 is only a few months off [02:27] and other than sessions [02:27] it runs perfectly [02:27] i installed 2 machines with hardy 64 bit and 9600 gpus [02:27] but the driver had to be the nvidia.com one [02:27] yeah [02:27] had to run proprietary drivers on hardy too [02:28] i have a 8600 GT with the nvidia-glx-new (hardy) [02:28] yeah, that is supported by the package [02:28] i think it's essentiali the same core [02:28] 92 [02:28] but the 2 newer generations arent [02:28] 9XXX and 2XX [02:29] err [02:29] 8800 GT [02:29] stillt geforce 8, the driver in the hardy packages is 169.XX afaik [02:29] hmm [02:30] and thee is already a stable 179.XX or such [02:30] mom [02:30] some of the new cards are G94 and G96 but most of the 9 series is just the same G92 [02:30] that first came out with the 8800 GT, that card should have made it into the 9 series, imho [02:30] 177.13 [02:30] is the newest stable [02:31] looks like 169.12 in hardy [02:32] brb, food [02:32] has nVidia fixed XRender for KDE4 yet? [02:32] my upgrade history: studio 7.04 => ubuntu 7.10 alpha => ubuntu 8.04 beta [02:33] and now i go for a fresh intrepid install [02:33] i didnt try kde4, since the beta :D [02:33] is 4.1 any better? [02:34] brb reboot [02:43] <_Zeus_> what's up with a5? [02:43] <_Zeus_> i thought it was coming out today? [02:44] :) [02:44] is it possible to put raid0 software into logical partitions? [02:44] <_Zeus_> jStefan: what? [02:44] <_Zeus_> !offtopic|LL00 [02:44] LL00: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome! [02:45] _Zeus_: sorry, last thing i said i was going for food, and now i am :) [02:45] <_Zeus_> ohhh [02:45] <_Zeus_> haha [02:48] i always promise myself to wait for release builds, and then end up doing a dist-upgrade to the alpha :S [02:48] <_Zeus_> haha [02:48] <_Zeus_> so do you know what happened to a5? [02:48] no idea, but it is still sept 4 in parts of the world [02:48] <_Zeus_> it is here too [02:49] <_Zeus_> but usually they do it early in the day [02:49] <_Zeus_> and at Canonical HQ it's tomorrow [02:50] jStefan, this alpha is probably shakier than previous ones because of the kernel [02:51] <_Zeus_> ohhh **** [02:51] <_Zeus_> well i'm going to upgrade anyway :-P [02:51] bsnider, other than that, looks more stable package wise [02:51] probably not [02:51] gnome is also beta [02:52] i mean what should be the "final" list of changes [02:52] depends on the eye of the beholder i guess [02:52] but most of the packages i use are seeing just minor build upgrades [02:52] well, most people are having trouble booting the kernel, so that's not int he eye of hte beholder [02:53] :S [02:53] well, it's not a production system, someone's got to test anyway :P [02:54] that's fine by me [02:54] but what i meant was, in the past i had to worry about what implications going from mysql 4.0 to 4.1 to 5.0 would bring, or upgrading apache from 2.0 to 2.2, PHP, etc [02:55] and on this particular release, the packages i use frequently are mostly minor instead of major releases [02:55] (except of course kernel, and gnome) [02:56] those two are pretty important though, i th ink [02:56] :) [02:58] <_Zeus_> haha [03:01] are most of the kernel problems with 2.6.26 or 2.6.27 ? [03:03] 27, because they only started working on it a week ago [03:04] they switched because it had a lot of stuff htey wanted to backport to 26 anyway [03:04] like wifi stuff and alsa [03:04] Sat, 23 Aug 2008 [03:08] if i do a dist-upgrade i can probably fetch 2.6.26-5.17 too [03:11] <_Zeus_> 27 sounds very new [03:11] <_Zeus_> as it is [03:12] it's still at rc4 or 5 [03:12] <_Zeus_> ouch [03:12] <_Zeus_> at least it's a rc [03:13] i think linus sort of arbitrarily decides when it's done [03:14] <_Zeus_> lol [03:14] ... and its not called rc in ubuntu [03:14] we safe [03:16] so where the f [03:16] the a5 i mean [03:17] <_Zeus_> i know [03:25] wha2: they're probably waiting for it to be finished helping Zordon defeat Lord Zedd or something :P [03:26] with our powers combined!.. [03:28] lol [03:32] we should help Zordon! [03:43] any usefull hints for cleaning up system files? besides apt-get clean [03:46] deborphan can help too [03:46] reinstall? i got phd in reinstall at time being windows user [03:47] nothing clean better than reformatting your partition [03:48] yes, i want to do a fresh install, but delete some stuff from my old system, just to keep it alive some more time ^^ [03:48] and shrink the partiton of it [03:50] i re-install windows at maximum every 2 years, but for linux i want to try never formatting [03:51] i wanted that too, but i have done so much stuff with my linux, i never upgraded to stable, just to alphas or betas [03:51] and hacked around a lot [03:51] compiz from git and such [03:52] i took ghex2 to my compiz [03:52] it angers me that they crippled it because of apple [03:52] i hope Mint doesn't cripple theirs [03:53] what was crippled because of apple? [03:53] compiz effects? [03:56] yes [03:56] lubosz, i've upgraded to a lot of alphas, i've manage to keep it reasonably clean [03:57] lubosz: you know genie? There's a variable hardcoded within compiz that dissalows it, I used ghex2 to set that variable to 0, giving me a proper compiz install [03:58] ...'course, I'll want to be careful with my updates, 'cause the file might get replaced [03:59] what about compiz effects and apple? [03:59] compiz fusion does not allow the Vacuum effect for minimize [03:59] because Apple has a ridiculous software patent on it [04:00] it doesnt even look like the one in compiz [04:00] lol... but its only 1 effect? [04:00] affected [04:00] apple owns all things that look like this effect? ^^ [04:01] Well, no. But you're not allowed to implement that idea. [04:02] its not like i actually care much about compiz and its effects. compiz is maybe good as alternate render... but not now. and effects is for kids [04:03] Well, apart from the effects which make it a substantially better window manager than metacity :) [04:03] compiz is good when you have guests in your house :P [04:03] Such as the window switcher, and scale (mmmmmmm, sweet scale!) [04:08] which one's scale again? [04:08] Is that the one that zooms out the virtual desktops? [04:08] * LSD|Ninja always gets acale and expo confused [04:08] scale* [04:23] in addition to using the genie effect for minimize, my window switcher is CoverFlow [04:24] and somehow, while window pixmaps can be preserved for closing animations, they can't be for showing minimized windows in the switcher [04:24] either that, or someone decided that it's a far better approach to show a blown up, blurry icon instead [04:24] ...for what, moral reasons? [04:25] ah yes, preserving a window texture upon minimize is 'hackish' [04:25] so is life. ...so is X. [04:26] /rant.. well, from now on i think i'll just factor in my location on earth to just add a day to everything on release schedules.. time to go to bed now, see y'all tomorrow when alpha 5 is out [04:30] i'm going to bed too, was hoping leaving the torrent downloading while i slept [04:33] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/intrepid-alpha-5 [04:33] still a few bugs left [04:35] looks like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidIbex/TechnicalOverview is the staging-area for the wiki page [04:35] it's what will later appear at http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/alpha5 (to match the version for alpha4, http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/alpha4 ) [04:39] dholbert: cool [04:40] danbhfive: yup [04:40] good to know that they haven't forgotten about it, at least :) [04:41] hmmm. how many of those bugs will be skipped based on the "Time Based Release" ? [04:41] anybody using intrepid on a crackbook? [04:44] jStefan: they seem to be doing pretty well [04:45] well, off to bed. thanks for the info [05:08] when's the new ISO cumming out? [05:10] nullHead|busy: we've all been waiting for that [05:10] don't think anyone here knows exactly [05:11] nullHead|busy: but you can preview the wiki page for it at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidIbex/TechnicalOverview [05:12] nullHead|busy: and https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/intrepid-alpha-5 apparently tracks outstanding issues, though I haven't looked at that too much [05:15] oh [05:15] I've been waiting at the wiki [05:15] for the link to be updated :D [05:15] see, I'm really excited about the new kernel and it's 2.6.27 wonderfulness [05:15] the atheros drivers is what I'm really waiting for [05:16] the iso's are probably cooking as we talk here === nullHead|busy is now known as NullHead [05:16] the kernel itself has been availble to install for quite some time . . . [05:16] I want the atheros drivers too! [05:16] for hardy and intrpid [05:16] oh [05:16] I see :| [05:16] I had no idea [05:17] well, being as my machine is about ready to die, it doesn't much matter ......... [05:17] hahahaha [05:17] my mobo won't boot linux anymore ... it already died once, and I revived it [05:17] oh dear [05:17] send it me, i love cranky hardware [05:17] heheheh [05:17] :(, but hay, i should be upgrading to a phenom soon [05:17] i like to bassh it [05:17] basssshhh ittt [05:17] lol [05:18] I can always use andlinux in windows [05:18] it does the job [05:18] LOL [05:49] still super buggy yet ehh? [06:09] well, yes. resuming from suspend-to-ram is broken for many systems. [06:12] i don't use power saving at all [06:13] i am going to be installing 64bit was thinking of trying 8.10 depending on how buggy it is [06:49] just throwing it out there, overall, how useable is the alpha at this point? [06:50] read the topic? [06:50] WFM [06:50] also, any word on a new release date on alpha 5? [06:50] i saw the topic, i was just curious what you guys thought. [06:51] bean-oh: i agree with topic [06:52] ./thread [06:52] fair enough. i suppose i'll wait for beta. === dedi_away is now known as Dedicated [07:24] Is anyone else using ubuntu with an Intel 4500MHD video chipset? [07:24] nope, still only have a GMA950 and even then it's in my MacBook [07:24] Maybe I should say.. TRYING to use it. [07:25] I just bought this laptop and am having second thoughts because of this chipset. [07:25] Intel is pretty good wrt to Linux support. It'll get there, it might just take a little bit [07:25] I can get external video but cannot use the built-in display unless I use VESA [07:26] Yea, it may take time but using VESA and 800x600 on a 1600x900 screen sucks! :) [07:26] I have actually been using Vista!!! That is how desperate I have been! [07:29] I was just reading the logs... still no word on Alpha 5 yet huh? [07:29] I guess it's better if they have something working than on time... :) [07:30] Does anybody know what's holding back the Ibex release? [07:30] jason_: That hasn't stopped Ubuntu in the past, look at Hardy :P [07:31] I never had any problems... guess I was lucky. [07:32] Afief: looking through the logs, it looks like it may be kernel problems... [07:32] What is the difference between the flash support from libasound2-plugins and libflashsupport? [07:32] jason_, logs? [07:32] Why'd they bump to 2.6.27 anyway? [07:33] Afief: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/09/05/%23ubuntu+1.html [07:33] LSD|Ninja, I heard that 2.7.27 has better support for stuff like the new AMD platform(panda or whatever it's called) which many new laptops are using [07:34] meh, who cares about AMD laptops? :P [07:35] LSD|Ninja, I'm working on one right now [07:35] you have my condolences :P [07:35] LSD|Ninja, why is that? I love it [07:36] AMDs mobile offerings have always been major fail [07:38] they might not be as powerful as intel stuff, but I can live with that for all the openess of the platform [07:38] Afief: what's holding back the release? testing, and bugs, most likely. [07:39] Hobbsee, yup but i was wondering if something specific was known [07:39] Afief: the openness of their platform is one of the reasons for it failing so hard [07:40] LSD|Ninja, how so? I'm buying AMD because I'm getting open source drivers for pretty much everything from them [07:41] Afief: i dont think LSD|Ninja trying to have reasonable discussion [07:42] Oh, you meant that kind of open. You can get that from Intel too but it's neither here nor there, really. I was referring to how AMD let anyone and everyone make components for it resulting in the platform lacking anything remotely resembling the integration present in Centrino [07:43] i own a centrino... what integration are you talking about. its ONLY a fixed set of components [07:43] LSD|Ninja, in the days of the centrino AMD was still beating the crap out of intel, it wasn't until the Core Duo/Quad came along that Intel overtook AMD [07:43] with a rather bloated wireless driver manager component under windows [07:43] Afief: probably just people waking up, and more people finishing tests, i'd say. [07:43] the current tests look pretty goo.d [07:43] Hobbsee, I hope so, been waiting for it all day yesterday [07:44] Afief: it's usually late on the 4th, or the 5th. [07:44] Hobbsee, current tests? [07:44] Afief: we're talking about mobiles. AMD have never been able to offer a decent mobile product, ever [07:44] on wehther the cd images are any good. [07:44] centrino is a marketing thing, and look how it works for LSD|Ninja [07:44] LSD|Ninja, I don't claim lots of knowledge about mobiles, but this is new for me [07:45] LSD|Ninja, as long as current AMD products can make a desktop machine that consumes less power then my centrino laptop... [07:45] Hobbsee, where can you see that? [07:45] Ronald: the individual components are all designed to interact together, you don't get that level of integration with a CPU from AMD, a chipset from VIA and a wireless chip from Broadcom [07:45] there is no integration [07:45] its a cpu from intel [07:45] Afief: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ [07:45] a wireless chip from the other side of intel [07:45] a chipset from a 3rth part of intel [07:46] Afief: if you were bored yesterday, you could have tested the images, you know. [07:46] no integration just same label, different designers [07:46] LSD|Ninja, this is the machine I bought, I couldn't find anything as good from intel: http://www.tabletpcreview.com/default.asp?newsID=1213 [07:46] Hobbsee, wish I had known about that:( [07:46] Afief: you'll know for next tribe, and i'm not sure if they're still testing. [07:46] go ask in #ubuntu-testers, after reading the instructions [07:46] Ronald: you honestly believe the home field advantage accounts for nothing? [07:47] Hobbsee, thanks now I got something to read:D [07:47] LSD|Ninja, indeed. it works or it doesn't [07:47] LSD|Ninja, home field? [07:48] :) [07:48] Afief: It's an expression. In sports, a team generally plays better on their home ground for various reasons, not the least of which being they don't have to travel [07:49] LSD|Ninja, the wireless chip is attached to the PCI bus [07:49] the blahblah chip is attached to the pci bus [07:49] the grafics chip (from ATI) is attached to the pci-e bus [07:50] Wifi is PCIe since Napa [07:50] imho you clearly fell for intels most excelent marketing over the centrino platform [07:52] Ronald, guess we need a good marketing team for Ubuntu too:) [07:53] marketing is key to mass-worldwide success [07:53] "Ubuntu on AMD: Fail for the whole family" :P [07:53] microsoft did a most excelent job for a long while ;) intel currently with centrino... AMD always been, and still is crap at marketing [07:54] their uprise is purely thanks to hitting a very good product the moment intel fubared [07:54] still no alpha-5? :/ [07:55] It helps that, even in isolation, the individual centrino components are measurably better then competitors alternatives [07:57] LSD|Ninja, #hardware would probably be a great place for you to discuss this stuff with the most knowledgable people on freenode [08:16] Hi, I'm wanting to add my own menus to my panel, as in hardy I can't find a way to do this with the gnome-panel so I'd like to swap it (still using gnome) for the xfce4-panel. I can't find where it's started now as ~/.gnome2/session seems to be being ignored? Any pointers? [08:22] Howdy folks [08:22] I'm using 8.10 alpha 4 (freshly upgraded) and most everything works [08:23] but my proprietary Juniper VPN client [08:23] It fails mysteriously [08:24] we think the problem is that it requires a setuid program [08:24] and it seems like it's not allowed to be run setuid. [08:24] if I run the program directly I get "permission denied" [08:24] in 8.04 I could run the program fine. [08:25] Did something about setuid change violently between 8.04 and 8.10? [08:31] larry: What is the output of "ls -l /path/to/binary" ? [08:32] Jordan_U: -rws--s--x 1 root root 1270152 2008-09-04 22:29 ncsvc [08:33] larry: It may be that it's being blocked by AppArmor [08:40] Ah, I've just seen in my .xsession-errors the msg: "Session saving is not implemented yet!". Is this planned for release? [08:46] Heh, hard drive naming is funny. [08:46] Manufacturer: WDC WD25. Model: 00JB-00GVC0. [08:46] Manufacturer: Ext Hard. Model: Disk. [09:13] is there a link for alpha 5 yet of kubuntu? [09:16] supertones: I havent seen one - usually you will find it here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/intrepid/ [09:19] Jordan_U: sorry, got a kernel panic or something. Any idea how I should make an AppArmor exception for my VPN client? [09:20] I created /etc/apparmor/apparmor.d and cobbled together a profile, but the VPN client still fails, and I don't know how to get feedback on what I did wrong. [09:21] larry: Look in [09:23] larry: Hit enter by mistake, you might ask in the OpenSuse channel since that is where AppArmor originated but I am not sure if the appreciate helping with other distros ( most distro channels, including #ubuntu do not ) [09:24] Jordan_U: I gather the OpenSUSE guys use YaST to make AppArmor profiles, which isn't on Ubuntu (iiuc it's also mainly their package manager) [09:25] YaST does everything: install, configure, control panel, the whole nine [09:25] larry: You might look at what changed in the profiles between Hardy and Intrepid ( Hardy uses Apparmor also ) and it may not be AppArmor at all, that was just a guess [09:26] does kubuntu intrepid alpha 4 use 4.1.1? [09:26] Jordan_U: yeah, but it sure seems like a very good guess :) [09:27] I mean, I can run the program if I'm root, and I get "permission denied" if I'm not root, and it's setuid/setgid and world executable. what else could it be? === mvo__ is now known as mvo [11:40] hi [11:40] i cant mount my audio cd in kubuntu ibex [11:40] copy protected? [11:40] i just notice that the file /dec/cdrom is not exist [11:40] no [11:40] all the programmes and dolphin look for audio cd in /dec/cdrom [11:41] i just find that i dont have this file [11:41] you mean /dev/ ? [11:41] yeah sorry :P [11:41] perhaps /dev/dvd? or ... whatever? [11:41] this is the strange [11:41] i can mount dvd [11:41] cd with files [11:41] but not audio cd [11:42] if i write manual the path to the driver to one programme like amarok [11:42] you cant mount them, thats right, you have to play them as stream [11:42] i just put in amarok /dev/scd1 and i have play my cd put this is not solution i think [11:43] why i dont have the /dev/cdrom file? [11:43] look at syslog [11:43] what i have to look? [11:44] dont know, perhaps something about devs, ... or hwinfo would be also a nice start to analyze your prob [11:44] can i copy the file from live cd? [11:44] /dev/cdrom? [11:45] ./dev/foo are device nodes [11:45] -> no [11:45] hm ok [11:45] did it work in hardy? [11:45] yeah i have it [11:46] after the upgrade is missing [11:46] why dont you just use hardy? *hmm* [11:46] i use this system from feisty [11:47] Still no alpha5 then? [11:47] and always upgrade from alpha 5 [11:47] this is my third upgrade [11:47] vistakiller: then you shoult know how to watch at syslog for errors ;) [11:47] ok i will look [11:52] no error is syslog :P strange [11:53] and other info about hdd / cdrom things? [11:53] and hwinfo detects it as cdrom? [11:53] and what says /proc/ ? [11:53] :) [11:53]