[00:01] <Cycom> hggdh: whatever happened, it works for me now.
[00:04] <Cycom> hggdh: thanks again for your help! you too bdmurray!
[00:04] <kevjava> If a bug was reported in Hardy but isn't valid anymore in Intrepid, can I mark it as invalid?
[00:07] <kevjava> I guess my question is that if it's a trivial, low-impact bug, then should we still track it in Hardy when it's invalid in two months anyway...?
[00:07] <kevjava> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/seahorse/+bug/211004  <-- I'm just jumping in here, and don't want to barge in and step on toes. :)
[00:11] <bdmurray> kevjava: keep in mind that Hardy is an LTS release
[00:12] <kevjava> Oh, right.  So I'll leave a comment to that effect and maybe look at patching it for Hardy?
[00:13]  * kevjava wasn't sure if a Wishlist bug would make it through sponsorship anyway
[00:16] <kevjava> Thanks, bdmurray.
[01:57] <crimsun> bdmurray: WRT sound hardware, you need codec output, really.  This is normally in /proc/asound/card*/*codec*
[01:58] <crimsun> bdmurray: barring that, for pci devices, you can glean some information (not authoritative) from `lspci -nv|grep -A1 040[13]'
[01:59] <crimsun> bdmurray: for most usb devices, the corresponding info would be in `lsusb'
[02:01] <crimsun> d'oh, ~ubuntu-bugcontrol membership expired
[02:16] <nellery> looks like mine is about to too
[02:24] <Rocket2DMn> does membership always run on a 90 day cycle, or can you have it permanently approved?
[02:57] <nhandler> Rocket2DMn: bdmurray told me that it was always for 90 days. You can simply ping a team admin after that to have it renewed.
[02:57] <Rocket2DMn> well i see why they do it, tho it is a bit annoying for those of us who arent going anywhere
[02:58] <nhandler> Rocket2DMn: Most Ubuntu teams do the same thing. I believe you need to renew your MOTU membership too (but you can do it yourself).
[04:53] <bdmurray> hggdh|away: I added in skipping np-reviewed bug reports
[05:16] <fabrice_sp__> Hi. I wrongly add a package to a bug (bug #262173). How can I get rid of it?
[05:32] <nellery> fabrice_sp__, just remove the package name from its field and save changes
[05:34] <fabrice_sp__> nellery: thanks
[05:35] <nellery> fabrice_sp__, no problem
[06:37] <crimsun> bdmurray: what procedure should I follow to be reactivated in ~ubuntu-bugcontrol?
[06:43] <bdmurray> crimsun: I readded you for a year
[06:46] <crimsun> bdmurray: thanks!
[07:13] <dholbach> gooood morning
[07:55] <thekorn> good morning bugsquad
[08:06] <mp> Now I have to ask:
[08:07] <mp> WHY do I always get the invitation to a Hug Day one day too late?!
[08:07] <mp> (it's through ubuntu-devel-annouce)
[08:08] <mp> I would like to help, but it's always a turnoff to be late :(
[08:17] <Hobbsee> mp: because it's a moderated list, and people don't go thru it much.
[08:17]  * Hobbsee wonders if listadmin is finished yet
[08:38] <mp> Hobbsee okay, thanks
[08:39] <mp> I hope for some kind of improvement in the future :)
[08:39] <mp> Then I guess I'll just do a bit of hugging now...
[08:42] <Hobbsee> er, fixed.  not finished.
[08:43] <Hobbsee> yes it has...
[08:45]  * Hobbsee goes through the moderation queue of ubuntu-devel.
[08:59] <mp> Hobbsee, what does that mean?
[09:02] <Hobbsee> ligemeget: there's a queue - people can't post whatever they like to some of the mailing lists
[09:02] <Hobbsee> ie, subscribers only, or you have to be in certain teams.
[09:02] <Hobbsee> so they get caught up in the queue, which people manually go through.
[09:03] <ligemeget> ...and the listadmin?
[09:03] <ligemeget> fixed?
[09:04] <Hobbsee> seems so.
[09:04] <Hobbsee> it was working here
[14:15] <jcastro> pedro_: ok so much for that.
[14:16] <pedro_> haha
[14:29] <hggdh> bdmurray, want me to document np-reviewed on the wiki?
[15:21] <Hew> Bug 191389 is marked fix committed, but I'm not sure where the fix is. It looks like it's in gst-plugins-good upstream, but a new release (0.10.10-1) was made a few days ago, and the problem still hasn't been fixed. Anyone know if this really should be fix committed?
[15:24] <hggdh> Hew, fcould you please check the changelog for gstreamer plugins?
[15:25] <hggdh> gstreamer-plugins is marked as having being fixed upstream, but not rithmbox...
[15:45] <Hew> hggdh: I can see the change in the upstream changelog
[15:48] <Hew> gstreamer0.10-plugins-good upstream that is, on 2008-08-06 by Sebastian: http://webcvs.freedesktop.org/gstreamer/gst-plugins-good/ChangeLog?view=markup
[15:48] <Hew> which was described at the bug here http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=413841
[15:53] <hggdh> Hew, can you also see the change in our gstreamer plugins?
[15:54] <hggdh> if you cannot... then it is still to be done
[15:54] <Hew> hggdh: There isn't anywhere near that level of detail, it just says new upstream release.
[15:55] <hggdh> Hew, look at the changelog there. I will have reflected upstream's
[15:55] <hggdh> s/I/It/
[15:56] <hggdh> plus whatever local changes were done
[15:57] <hggdh> I mean, not the distribution's changelog, but upstream's *in* our dist
[15:58] <Hew> hggdh: My apologies, I'm not sure what part you're referring to. It looks like Ubuntu is just grabbing the Debian packages. Where can I find these upstream changelogs in Ubuntu?
[15:59] <hggdh> Hew, I am downloading the source now. Give me a few to look at it
[16:00] <Hew> hggdh: Ok, thanks. The only changelog I could see is this http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/g/gst-plugins-good0.10/gst-plugins-good0.10_0.10.10-1/changelog . Would I have to download the source to find this Ubuntu upstream changelog?
[16:02] <hggdh> Hew, this is the ./debian/changelog
[16:02] <hggdh> the ones I mean are in the source, perhaps under many different directories
[16:03] <hggdh> for example, ./gst-plugins-good0.10-0.10.10/Changelog
[16:03] <Hew> hggdh: Ah ok, thanks. I'll have a look now, but I'll know for next time :-)
[16:03] <hggdh> (I got the source first by 'apt-get source gstreamer0.10-plugins-good)
[16:04] <afflux> for some packages, the changelog is installed with the binary package: /usr/share/doc/$pkgname/changelog.gz
[16:04] <Hew> thanks again, was a bit rusty on what the command was
[16:04] <Hew> afflux: Thank you! I'm learning a lot tonight haha.
[16:05] <afflux> you're welcome ;)
[16:05] <hggdh> thanks, afflux, I should have mentioned it
[16:05] <afflux> (note that I'm not quite sure how it's handled: I've the impression that sometimes, if no upstream changelog is installed, changelog.gz actually contains the debian/changelog)
[16:06] <hggdh> and there may be more than one single changelog
[16:06] <hggdh> Hew, BTW I do not see 431841 referenced anywhere is the sources (by a 'grep -R 431841 *')
[16:09] <bdmurray> hggdh: do you mean document the tag?
[16:12] <hggdh> bdmurray, yes
[16:12] <hggdh> (but I am unsure if we should, right now)
[16:13] <bdmurray> Yeah, I'd prefer to document the process first. ;)
[16:13] <bdmurray> well and setup the report to get generated regularly
[16:13] <hggdh> we wait, then. Also, there might be other similar tags to implement
[16:14] <hggdh> bdmurray, currently you are producing a .txt -- are you going to produce a linkable page?
[16:14] <hggdh> (at least on Epiphany)
[16:15] <bdmurray> Yeah, I guess I could do that too
[16:16] <hggdh> bdmurray, sorry to provide you with Yet Another Request (TM) ;-)
[16:17] <bdmurray> It's a fair one, I just happen to view it in my favorite text editor and the the links become clickable.
[16:17] <bdmurray> But html makes sense
[16:44] <vinu76jsr> my hardy  sometimes does not play video, any video , and when i restart X it is ok again
[16:45] <vinu76jsr> is it a bug?? or something wrong with my config
[17:22] <alejandeus> Hello ppl
[17:23] <alejandeus> anyone got any news on when alpha 5 will be available?
[18:31] <sbeattie> wha-hunh? why is https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24/+bug/112514 against l-r-m?
[18:32] <sbeattie> oh, nevermind, possible driver issue
[19:01] <jcastro> pedro_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/
[19:01] <jcastro> how's that for attention grabbing?
[19:02] <pedro_> wow that's big
[19:02] <pedro_> it definitely will grab your attention :-P
[19:02] <jcastro> heh
[19:03] <jcastro> well, I figure, start like this, and see how it goes
[19:03] <jcastro> I will work on this page and try to make it easier
[19:03] <jcastro> if you want to start hitting up Report
[19:03] <pedro_> yeah indeed
[19:03] <pedro_> alright ;-)
[19:54] <pwnguin> bdmurray: have you found any invalid configs yet/
[19:54] <pwnguin> xorg.conf
[19:55] <bdmurray> 8
[19:55] <pwnguin> i worry a bit; the main testing data for xkit was LP
[19:57] <bdmurray> worry that it won't catch everything?
[19:58] <pwnguin> well, if you just pull the entire archive and assume it's good
[19:59] <pwnguin> what was the invalid tag?
[19:59] <bdmurray> Its in Bugs/Tags
[19:59] <bdmurray> but it is invalid-xorg-conf
[20:06] <komputes> Bug #185470
[21:26] <bdmurray> hggdh: http://people.ubuntu.com/~brian/reports/needs-packaging/needs-packaging-run-2008-9-5.html
[21:31] <hggdh> bdmurray, thanks
[21:33] <hggdh> bdmurray, perfect!
[21:33] <bdmurray> hggdh: if you happen to update any by adding a watch or marking fix released please tag them 'auto-search'.  I'm just tryin to get track of the quantity found by the tool.
[21:34] <bdmurray> s/tryin to get/trying to keep/
[21:35] <hggdh> kees, will do
[21:35] <hggdh> kees, will do
[21:35] <hggdh> dammit
[21:35] <bdmurray> heh
[21:35] <hggdh> OK will do
[21:35] <hggdh> sorry kees
[21:36] <kees> attack of the up arrow.  :)
[21:36] <hggdh> :-)
[21:36] <bdmurray> I saw that movie!
[21:37] <hggdh> hum... you might want to add "please tag 'auto-search' any bugs updated via this page' at the top, just in case
[21:59] <hggdh> bdmurray, what should be done with a np that points to a non-existent source? c.f. bug 230400
[22:03] <bdmurray> hggdh: seems invalid to me
[22:03] <bdmurray> the reporter of that bug submitted quite a few n-p bugs for projects in Launchpad some of which have released no code
[22:10] <hggdh> so I will just close invalid
[22:10] <bdmurray> hggdh: that sounds good to me
[22:10] <bdmurray> no need to tag it though ;)
[22:12] <hggdh> too late ;-)
[22:12] <hggdh> it is still a case of found via tool, though
[22:18] <pwnguin>  it seems like they meant rfp rather than NP
[22:19] <pwnguin> is invalid realy the right state for requests for packaging/
[22:19] <hggdh> pwnguin, depends. Which bug are you talking about?
[22:20] <hggdh> keep in mind there are two possible final states for NP: INVALID, or FIX RELEASED...
[22:20] <hggdh> (and, in fact, for most bugs)
[22:21] <pwnguin> ok, no code released upstream, i can see
[22:22] <pwnguin> crazy. gentoo has an xnp2 package
[22:23] <pwnguin> unfortunately, i dont read japanese well
[22:24] <hggdh> pwnguin, it might even be the same thing, or not. Since all we have is what the reporter, huh, reported, we have to stop there.
[22:25] <pwnguin> it is the same thing
[22:25] <pwnguin> however
[22:25] <pwnguin> the source code is gone
[22:27] <pwnguin> anyways, i misread something in the conversation above. carry on ;)
[22:30] <Ampelbein> hggdh: wouldn't it be an option to set needs-packaging-bugs that cannot be resolved due to licensing problems to "won't fix"?
[22:30] <Ampelbein> (not connected to the actual case)
[22:35] <hggdh> Ampelbein, I am not sure, but I do not  think it would be a correct usage of WONT FIX. If the licence is bad, then it is invalid for us. WONT FIX means we *could* do it, but decided not to.  bdmurray, what about it?
[22:38] <Ampelbein> hggdh: the bugfix (=packaging) is too controversial since the license is not appropriate. so won't fix would fit. but i'm okay with invalid. i don't think it is that important.
[22:40] <bdmurray> Yeah, it doesn't seem that important to me but I'd go with Won't Fix too as it could become Will Fix if the license change.
[22:42] <hggdh> so WONT FIX it is.
[23:08] <jarlath> How do I find out which package a file belongs to?
[23:09] <afflux> jarlath: either use packages.ubuntu.com or dpkg -S
[23:09] <jarlath> Thanks afflux
[23:31] <dupondje> NetworkManager is a disaster :(
[23:31] <dupondje> saving settings still not fixed :(
[23:34] <emgent`nl> there are more problem, in intepid if dont put down it NetworkManager Daemon, you _cant connect_ via iwconfig/ifconfig
[23:34] <emgent`nl> s/problem/problems/
[23:34] <emgent`nl> s/it//
[23:36] <dupondje> the NetworkManager is bugged like hell :(