[08:06] <mdke> morning all
[22:37] <vadi2> Hi
[22:37] <vadi2> are there any moinmoin experts about?
[22:37] <vadi2> I tried to add an apt link and I crashed it
[22:37] <vadi2> "IOError: [Errno 36] File name too long"
[22:37] <vadi2> http://pastebin.com/mcad394
[22:59] <mdke> vadi2: it looks like you've tried to add an extraordinarily long pagename, which is too long for the filesystem to support
[23:01] <mdke> vadi2: but if that's not right, you might want to ask in #moin
[23:02] <vadi2> mdke: that is right, a shorter link worked
[23:02] <vadi2> any idea how can I get it not to mangle an apturl link?
[23:03] <mdke> vadi2: from the traceback it looks like you are actually trying to create a page with a long name, not insert a link. But, for any more advanced insights, you'll need to try #moin
[23:03] <vadi2> no, it was a link..
[23:04] <mdke> i wasn't aware that apt urls worked on our wiki
[23:05] <vadi2> really...?
[23:05] <vadi2> I was hoping to make some terminal commands more newbie-friendly
[23:05] <mdke> we have some guidelines for referring to installing packages here - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide/Style
[23:06] <mdke> that's what we like people to use
[23:09] <vadi2> Oh. Too bad, that page seems long and complicated, an apt link is a lot easier
[23:12] <mdke> vadi2: can you tell me about how it works? Has the ubuntu development team approved it as a secure and safe way of installing packages?
[23:13] <mdke> (presumably by the long and complicated comment, you are referring to the InstallingSoftware page rather than the WikiGuide/Style page?)
[23:13] <vadi2> mdke: yeah, they made it in fact
[23:13] <vadi2> mdke: try pasting "apt:firefox-2" for example in the address bar of firefox and pressing enter.
[23:14] <vadi2> mdke: yes, the InstallingSoftware page looks big and user would lose attention and patience quickly trying to comprehend it :(
[23:15] <mdke> I agree
[23:15] <mdke> are there any disadvantages with apturl?
[23:17] <mdke> I wonder how we should use it to ensure that we are helping Ubuntu users viewing the pages on another operating system or printing them.
[23:18] <vadi2> Providing both apturl links as a recommended way and the terminal commands would be fine.
[23:19] <mdke> well, I don't think we should be recommending terminal commands for installing software
[23:20] <mdke> hence the Style page recommendation
[23:21] <mdke> vadi2: how about you kick off a discussion about the use of apturl on the wiki on our mailing list? I see you've filed an rt already for having it enabled, but I'd like to have a discussion about the best way to use it
[23:21] <mdke> that way we can amend the guidelines, if necessary
[23:22] <vadi2> which mailing list is that? There are many
[23:22] <mdke> only one for us. It's ubuntu-doc@lists.ubuntu.com
[23:31] <vadi2> mdke: ok, sent
[23:31] <mdke> thanks very much
[23:33] <mdke> good night :)
[23:33] <vadi2> see you
[23:44] <LaserJock> mdke: if I remember correctly security was a big issue that came up when we discussed using apturl in docs previously
[23:49] <mdke> LaserJock: I'm just about to go off to bed, could you see your way to posting on that thread to explain what the security issues are? If something is blessed by mvo, that's a pretty decent recommendation.
[23:49] <LaserJock> mdke: yeah, I'll send an email. I just don't know how much has been done about security since the last time it was discussed
[23:50] <LaserJock> mdke: could be it's now perfectly fine
[23:50] <LaserJock> originally it was quite prone to people putting bad URLs in our wiki pages :(
[23:51] <mdke> maybe copy someone like mvo in then
[23:51] <mdke> he may be able to explain further