| Volans | I have to go now... good night | 00:10 |
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| qense | hello | 13:41 |
| Volans | Hi all, newz2000 I have a question on the start page for you | 13:47 |
| newz2000 | hey Volans, what's up? | 14:47 |
| Volans | newz2000: if you open http://start.ubuntu.com/8.04/ and inspect it with firebug or similar | 14:48 |
| Volans | there is a tabbed menu <div id="tabs" class="column span-19"> that have an <ul> that have display:none | 14:48 |
| newz2000 | yes, axed from the final version | 14:49 |
| newz2000 | but it was a, "I don't think we want those" so I did the display:none to avoid having to re-add them in case "I think" changed | 14:49 |
| Volans | html2po recognize also the relative li for the translation... you plan to "publish" it for intrepid or not? | 14:49 |
| newz2000 | I think its safe to remove, its in version control if we need it back | 14:49 |
| Volans | ok, thanks, that's all atm :) | 14:50 |
| newz2000 | keep the easy questions coming | 14:50 |
| newz2000 | I love the easy ones | 14:50 |
| Volans | LOL | 14:51 |
| mpt | "The following page has been changed by https://login.launchpad.net/+id/r3xMw7Y:" | 15:08 |
| mpt | ... that's not particularly useful :-/ | 15:08 |
| newz2000 | mpt: where do you see that? | 15:08 |
| mpt | a wiki.ubuntu.com e-mail notification | 15:08 |
| newz2000 | mpt: I'd suggest filing an RT for that | 15:09 |
| mpt | ok | 15:09 |
| Volans | newz2000: another quick question... in the header div there is a <h1 class="column span-1">Ubuntu</h1> but the text is not shown, it has a text-indent:-800px; | 15:34 |
| Volans | why? | 15:34 |
| newz2000 | it does, I use image replacement technique | 15:35 |
| newz2000 | that's basically the alt tag for the ubuntu logo | 15:35 |
| newz2000 | the text is replaced by the image of the logo | 15:35 |
| Volans | what logo? the header have already a background image: http://start.ubuntu.com/8.04/images/header.png | 15:37 |
| newz2000 | right, that's the logo | 15:38 |
| Volans | sorry I don't understand... that logo is show only with simple css backgound statement, I don't see any replacement of the <h1> content | 15:40 |
| Volans | if I remove the text-indent I see the "Ubuntu" text | 15:40 |
| newz2000 | right | 15:42 |
| newz2000 | it's called header iamge replacment | 15:42 |
| newz2000 | its a CSS technique that removes header text and replaces it with an image | 15:42 |
| newz2000 | in this case, the image is the ubuntu logo on the brown background | 15:42 |
| Volans | but in the CSS the background:#AF6234 url(images/header.png) no-repeat scroll center top; is in the #header class... not referred to the h1 class="column span-1" | 15:44 |
| Volans | or I miss something? | 15:44 |
| newz2000 | http://www.sitepoint.com/article/header-images-css-xhtml/ | 15:45 |
| newz2000 | in a nutshell, | 15:46 |
| newz2000 | semantic html expresses content | 15:46 |
| newz2000 | if the image is content then it should be an <img> tag with alt attribute | 15:46 |
| newz2000 | but in this case, the header image isn't content, its just something to make the page look pretty | 15:46 |
| newz2000 | but it does contain one bit of important information, the ubuntu logo | 15:46 |
| newz2000 | so I use the header replacement technique to leave the important content in there (the name of the product, Ubuntu) but without using an img tag. | 15:47 |
| emunkki | hello newz2000 | 15:47 |
| newz2000 | hey emunkki | 15:48 |
| emunkki | my mouth is burning | 15:48 |
| newz2000 | go ahead, spit it out. :-) | 15:48 |
| emunkki | naah, canät spit, ate chili | 15:48 |
| emunkki | *can't | 15:48 |
| newz2000 | oh, I thought burning because you wanted to chime in on header image replacement | 15:48 |
| emunkki | hehe nope actually | 15:49 |
| emunkki | hmm | 15:49 |
| emunkki | this chili peels my lips | 15:49 |
| Volans | newz2000: so is only for indiciazation and/or usability for those that use a screen reader? | 15:49 |
| emunkki | nice one | 15:49 |
| Volans | Hi emunkki | 15:49 |
| emunkki | hi Volans | 15:50 |
| newz2000 | Volans: I think its more of a technique that makes a page's content more meaninful if you turn off css and javascript (like a search engine sees a page for example) | 15:50 |
| Volans | ok, then for search engine indicization | 15:51 |
| newz2000 | not really, it's a movement called "semantic html" | 15:51 |
| newz2000 | but it does benefit search engine ranking if done right, but the benefits are far wider (in theory) | 15:52 |
| Volans | sure, the bottom <img alt="" src="images/cap-bottom.png"/> is not made with the same technique ;) is the only images with the Heron that I see without css and js | 15:53 |
| emunkki | lol, semantic html movement | 15:53 |
| newz2000 | Volans: yeah, no one cares about what's at the bottom of the page. :-) | 15:54 |
| emunkki | lol, code spiders do ;) | 15:54 |
| Volans | newz2000: is only for coherence for the rest of the page ;) | 15:54 |
| newz2000 | yeah, I should have been consistent, but I failed | 15:54 |
| emunkki | epic fail :( | 15:55 |
| Volans | if you want I can fix that... is a very little change | 15:55 |
| newz2000 | s/epic/insignificant/ | 15:55 |
| emunkki | bah ;) | 15:55 |
| newz2000 | if you like | 15:55 |
| emunkki | having rest of the page coded semantically / correct and then having one illogicalness in the end of the page is epic fail | 16:14 |
| Volans | newz2000: the css http://start.ubuntu.com/8.04/style.css is actually published in some launchpad branch? | 17:24 |
| newz2000 | Volans: hmm... let me remember. I do have the site in a bzr branch, where did I publish it? | 17:25 |
| * newz2000 checks | 17:25 | |
| Volans | ok, thanks :) | 17:25 |
| newz2000 | Volans: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~newz/ubuntu-website/start-page | 17:25 |
| Volans | newz2000: in order to siplify the strings in the po files I have to use ' instead of " in some html tags attribute. In this case you prefer I change only those that are necessary or for coherence replace all the " with ' ? | 18:11 |
| Volans | s/siplify/simplify/ | 18:11 |
| newz2000 | Volans: what ever is simpler | 18:48 |
| newz2000 | I'm not picky about the quoting used | 18:48 |
| Volans | it's the same for me, just to know if you prefer coherence (all with single quote) or even mixed where single quotes are not needed by html2po | 18:49 |
| Volans | I have to go now... but all seems work welll | 19:08 |
| Volans | bye | 19:09 |
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