[00:10] I have to go now... good night [13:41] hello [13:47] Hi all, newz2000 I have a question on the start page for you [14:47] hey Volans, what's up? [14:48] newz2000: if you open http://start.ubuntu.com/8.04/ and inspect it with firebug or similar [14:48] there is a tabbed menu that have an

yes, axed from the final version [14:49] but it was a, "I don't think we want those" so I did the display:none to avoid having to re-add them in case "I think" changed [14:49] html2po recognize also the relative li for the translation... you plan to "publish" it for intrepid or not? [14:49] I think its safe to remove, its in version control if we need it back [14:50] ok, thanks, that's all atm :) [14:50] keep the easy questions coming [14:50] I love the easy ones [14:51] LOL [15:08] "The following page has been changed by https://login.launchpad.net/+id/r3xMw7Y:" [15:08] ... that's not particularly useful :-/ [15:08] mpt: where do you see that? [15:08] a wiki.ubuntu.com e-mail notification [15:09] mpt: I'd suggest filing an RT for that [15:09] ok [15:34] newz2000: another quick question... in the header div there is a Ubuntu but the text is not shown, it has a text-indent:-800px; [15:34] why? [15:35] it does, I use image replacement technique [15:35] that's basically the alt tag for the ubuntu logo [15:35] the text is replaced by the image of the logo [15:37] what logo? the header have already a background image: http://start.ubuntu.com/8.04/images/header.png [15:38] right, that's the logo [15:40] sorry I don't understand... that logo is show only with simple css backgound statement, I don't see any replacement of the

content [15:40] if I remove the text-indent I see the "Ubuntu" text [15:42] right [15:42] it's called header iamge replacment [15:42] its a CSS technique that removes header text and replaces it with an image [15:42] in this case, the image is the ubuntu logo on the brown background [15:44] but in the CSS the background:#AF6234 url(images/header.png) no-repeat scroll center top; is in the #header class... not referred to the h1 class="column span-1" [15:44] or I miss something? [15:45] http://www.sitepoint.com/article/header-images-css-xhtml/ [15:46] in a nutshell, [15:46] semantic html expresses content [15:46] if the image is content then it should be an tag with alt attribute [15:46] but in this case, the header image isn't content, its just something to make the page look pretty [15:46] but it does contain one bit of important information, the ubuntu logo [15:47] so I use the header replacement technique to leave the important content in there (the name of the product, Ubuntu) but without using an img tag. [15:47] hello newz2000 [15:48] hey emunkki [15:48] my mouth is burning [15:48] go ahead, spit it out. :-) [15:48] naah, canät spit, ate chili [15:48] can't [15:48] oh, I thought burning because you wanted to chime in on header image replacement [15:49] hehe nope actually [15:49] hmm [15:49] this chili peels my lips [15:49] newz2000: so is only for indiciazation and/or usability for those that use a screen reader? [15:49] nice one [15:49] Hi emunkki [15:50] hi Volans [15:50] Volans: I think its more of a technique that makes a page's content more meaninful if you turn off css and javascript (like a search engine sees a page for example) [15:51] ok, then for search engine indicization [15:51] not really, it's a movement called "semantic html" [15:52] but it does benefit search engine ranking if done right, but the benefits are far wider (in theory) [15:53] sure, the bottom is not made with the same technique ;) is the only images with the Heron that I see without css and js [15:53] lol, semantic html movement [15:54] Volans: yeah, no one cares about what's at the bottom of the page. :-) [15:54] lol, code spiders do ;) [15:54] newz2000: is only for coherence for the rest of the page ;) [15:54] yeah, I should have been consistent, but I failed [15:55] epic fail :( [15:55] if you want I can fix that... is a very little change [15:55] s/epic/insignificant/ [15:55] bah ;) [15:55] if you like [16:14] having rest of the page coded semantically / correct and then having one illogicalness in the end of the page is epic fail [17:24] newz2000: the css http://start.ubuntu.com/8.04/style.css is actually published in some launchpad branch? [17:25] Volans: hmm... let me remember. I do have the site in a bzr branch, where did I publish it? [17:25] newz2000 checks [17:25] ok, thanks :) [17:25] Volans: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~newz/ubuntu-website/start-page [18:11] newz2000: in order to siplify the strings in the po files I have to use ' instead of " in some html tags attribute. In this case you prefer I change only those that are necessary or for coherence replace all the " with ' ? [18:11] s/siplify/simplify/ [18:48] Volans: what ever is simpler [18:48] I'm not picky about the quoting used [18:49] it's the same for me, just to know if you prefer coherence (all with single quote) or even mixed where single quotes are not needed by html2po [19:08] I have to go now... but all seems work welll [19:09] bye