[00:10] <Volans> I have to go now... good night
[13:41] <qense> hello
[13:47] <Volans> Hi all, newz2000 I have a question on the start page for you
[14:47] <newz2000> hey Volans, what's up?
[14:48] <Volans> newz2000: if you open http://start.ubuntu.com/8.04/ and inspect it with firebug or similar
[14:48] <Volans> there is a tabbed menu <div id="tabs" class="column span-19"> that have an <ul> that have display:none
[14:49] <newz2000> yes, axed from the final version
[14:49] <newz2000> but it was a, "I don't think we want those" so I did the display:none to avoid having to re-add them in case "I think" changed
[14:49] <Volans> html2po recognize also the relative li for the translation... you plan to "publish" it for intrepid or not?
[14:49] <newz2000> I think its safe to remove, its in version control if we need it back
[14:50] <Volans> ok, thanks, that's all atm :)
[14:50] <newz2000> keep the easy questions coming
[14:50] <newz2000> I love the easy ones
[14:51] <Volans> LOL
[15:08] <mpt> "The following page has been changed by https://login.launchpad.net/+id/r3xMw7Y:"
[15:08] <mpt> ... that's not particularly useful :-/
[15:08] <newz2000> mpt: where do you see that?
[15:08] <mpt> a wiki.ubuntu.com e-mail notification
[15:09] <newz2000> mpt: I'd suggest filing an RT for that
[15:09] <mpt> ok
[15:34] <Volans> newz2000: another quick question... in the header div there is a  <h1 class="column span-1">Ubuntu</h1> but the text is not shown, it has a text-indent:-800px;
[15:34] <Volans> why?
[15:35] <newz2000> it does, I use image replacement technique
[15:35] <newz2000> that's basically the alt tag for the ubuntu logo
[15:35] <newz2000> the text is replaced by the image of the logo
[15:37] <Volans> what logo? the header have already a background image: http://start.ubuntu.com/8.04/images/header.png
[15:38] <newz2000> right, that's the logo
[15:40] <Volans> sorry I don't understand... that logo is show only with simple css backgound statement, I don't see any replacement of the <h1> content
[15:40] <Volans> if I remove the text-indent I see the "Ubuntu" text
[15:42] <newz2000> right
[15:42] <newz2000> it's called header iamge replacment
[15:42] <newz2000> its a CSS technique that removes header text and replaces it with an image
[15:42] <newz2000> in this case, the image is the ubuntu logo on the brown background
[15:44] <Volans> but in the CSS the background:#AF6234 url(images/header.png) no-repeat scroll center top; is in the #header class... not referred to the h1 class="column span-1"
[15:44] <Volans> or I miss something?
[15:45] <newz2000> http://www.sitepoint.com/article/header-images-css-xhtml/
[15:46] <newz2000> in a nutshell,
[15:46] <newz2000> semantic html expresses content
[15:46] <newz2000> if the image is content then it should be an <img> tag with alt attribute
[15:46] <newz2000> but in this case, the header image isn't content, its just something to make the page look pretty
[15:46] <newz2000> but it does contain one bit of important information, the ubuntu logo
[15:47] <newz2000> so I use the header replacement technique to leave the important content in there (the name of the product, Ubuntu) but without using an img tag.
[15:47] <emunkki> hello newz2000
[15:48] <newz2000> hey emunkki
[15:48] <emunkki> my mouth is burning
[15:48] <newz2000> go ahead, spit it out. :-)
[15:48] <emunkki> naah, canät spit, ate chili
[15:48] <emunkki> *can't
[15:48] <newz2000> oh, I thought burning because you wanted to chime in on header image replacement
[15:49] <emunkki> hehe nope actually
[15:49] <emunkki> hmm
[15:49] <emunkki> this chili peels my lips
[15:49] <Volans> newz2000: so is only for indiciazation and/or usability for those that use a screen reader?
[15:49] <emunkki> nice one
[15:49] <Volans> Hi emunkki
[15:50] <emunkki> hi Volans
[15:50] <newz2000> Volans: I think its more of a technique that makes a page's content more meaninful if you turn off css and javascript (like a search engine sees a page for example)
[15:51] <Volans> ok, then for search engine indicization
[15:51] <newz2000> not really, it's a movement called "semantic html"
[15:52] <newz2000> but it does benefit search engine ranking if done right, but the benefits are far wider (in theory)
[15:53] <Volans> sure, the bottom <img alt="" src="images/cap-bottom.png"/> is not made with the same technique ;) is the only images with the Heron that I see without css and js
[15:53] <emunkki> lol, semantic html movement
[15:54] <newz2000> Volans: yeah, no one cares about what's at the bottom of the page. :-)
[15:54] <emunkki> lol, code spiders do ;)
[15:54] <Volans> newz2000: is only for coherence for the rest of the page ;)
[15:54] <newz2000> yeah, I should have been consistent, but I failed
[15:55] <emunkki> epic fail :(
[15:55] <Volans> if you want I can fix that... is a very little change
[15:55] <newz2000> s/epic/insignificant/
[15:55] <emunkki> bah ;)
[15:55] <newz2000> if you like
[16:14] <emunkki> having rest of the page coded semantically / correct and then having one illogicalness in the end of the page is epic fail
[17:24] <Volans> newz2000: the css http://start.ubuntu.com/8.04/style.css is actually published in some launchpad branch?
[17:25] <newz2000> Volans: hmm... let me remember. I do have the site in a bzr branch, where did I publish it?
[17:25]  * newz2000 checks
[17:25] <Volans> ok, thanks :)
[17:25] <newz2000> Volans: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~newz/ubuntu-website/start-page
[18:11] <Volans> newz2000: in order to siplify the strings in the po files I have to use ' instead of " in some html tags attribute. In this case you prefer I change only those that are necessary or for coherence replace all the " with ' ?
[18:11] <Volans> s/siplify/simplify/
[18:48] <newz2000> Volans: what ever is simpler
[18:48] <newz2000> I'm not picky about the quoting used
[18:49] <Volans> it's the same for me, just to know if you prefer coherence (all with single quote) or even mixed where single quotes are not needed by html2po
[19:08] <Volans> I have to go now... but all seems work welll
[19:09] <Volans> bye