[00:51] <ron_o> yada yada, trying # gdmflexiserver --xnest    ..... everything works well except the "nested" window is buggy and then just quits...
[00:51] <jeriko> 'lo
[00:51] <ron_o> I'd like to get Xnest to work under a different name.
[00:52] <ron_o> *a parallel login
[00:53] <jeriko> does anyone know how to get rid of the restricted drivers icon in the system tray?
[00:53] <jeriko> dunno is "system tray" is the right term
[00:54] <ron_o> on your panel?
[00:54] <jeriko> yea
[00:54] <ron_o> right click on it..
[00:54] <ron_o> anything?
[00:54] <jeriko> nothing...
[00:54] <jeriko> it's the most useless icon
[00:54] <ron_o> is it on your panel?
[00:54] <jeriko> ya
[00:54] <jeriko> next to the clock
[00:55] <jeriko> where active applets are
[00:55] <ron_o> weird.. don't know. Sorry.
[00:55] <jeriko> hrm
[00:55]  * jeriko grinds teeth
[00:57] <ron_o> I can right click on everything in my system tray and quit it if I like.
[00:59] <jeriko> i can also, just not on the restricted drivers applet
[01:00] <jeriko> tho the nm-applet won't doesn't give me option to quit
[01:00] <jeriko> i only have nm-applet, pidgin, and this stupid restricted drivers
[01:02] <ron_o> I think *ubuntu is telling you something.
[01:02] <ron_o> it's telling you need to update something or d/l some app, like when you need to upgrade..
[01:02] <jeriko> telling me to punch it in the face :p
[01:02] <ron_o> "Most of the time, Ubuntu will detect the need to install a restricted driver automatically. You'll see a notification on the system tray asking you to review what drivers are to be installed, and Ubuntu will take care of downloading and installing them."
[01:02] <ron_o> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedDrivers
[01:03] <jeriko> no i have the restricted driver already loaded
[01:03] <ron_o> well, go figure.
[01:03] <jeriko> and system is up to date
[01:03] <ron_o> it's fricking buggy. :)
[01:03] <jeriko> i think it's new "feature" in 8.04
[01:03] <jeriko> i don't remember the icon previously
[01:03] <ron_o> ahh, well, that explains it.
[01:04] <ron_o> 8.04 has some bugs..
[01:04] <jeriko> i'm just not sure where to look to disable
[01:04] <jeriko> since the applet doesn't seem to have context menu for right click
[01:04] <ron_o> I ain't upgrading (maybe never) to 8xx just yet.
[01:04] <ron_o> I don't think you can.
[01:05] <jeriko> it's not so bad really
[01:06] <jeriko> first time dist upgrade didn't break stuff for me
[01:09] <ron_o> I really hate thinking about upgrading. I may just never do it.
[01:09] <ron_o> just keep fricking updating apps and the hell with the upgrade...
[01:09] <ron_o> but eventually I'll be left fricking behind; that's what I'm afraid of.
[01:11] <jeriko> yea making big jumps is when stuff breaks usually
[01:12] <jeriko> just take an image of your system before the upgrade
[01:14] <ron_o> I"m not prepared to do that right now.
[01:14] <ron_o> I've got bigger fish to fry. :)
[01:15] <jeriko> i hear ya
[01:15] <jeriko> i just made the jump to 8.04 on desktop this week
[01:18] <{zEr0-x}> hi everybody!
[01:20] <jeriko> 'lo
[01:21] <{zEr0-x}> have anybody installed xubuntu on a pendrive?
[01:21] <cody-somerville> yup
[01:22] <{zEr0-x}> and how was it? did it run?
[01:31] <bytor4232> {zEr0-x}: I installed xubuntu gutsy on a USB drive.  Worked great, since Xubuntu installs on less than 2 gigs.
[01:32] <bytor4232> {zEr0-x}: Pen drive, I should say.  Cruiser micro.
[01:32] <{zEr0-x}> bytor4232, wich tool did you use?
[01:33] <bytor4232> {zEr0-x}: I just ran the installer.
[01:36] <{zEr0-x}> no no, I mean, how did you do it? Directly install from the liveCD ?
[01:36] <{zEr0-x}> sure
[01:36] <{zEr0-x}> ?
[01:37] <zoredache_> bytor4232: you  must be one of the fortunate few that it actually works for...  My BIOS didn't seem to like it when I tried installing that way
[01:40] <{zEr0-x}> zoredache_ I guess is not the BIOS who dunnot allows you to install, maybe for boot
[01:57] <^paradox^> ok ive screwed up and need some help
[01:57] <xindo> i'm having a problem on a dell laptop with adjusting brightness by holding the fn key. Is there a way to adjust the sensitivity?
[01:57] <^paradox^> ive managed to remove my applications menu in the top panel
[01:58] <^paradox^> how do i put it back?
[01:59] <bytor4232> right click on the panel
[01:59] <bytor4232> ^paradox^: Right click on the panel
[02:00] <bytor4232> ^paradox^: Click on "Add new item"
[02:00] <^paradox^> yes
[02:00] <bytor4232> ^paradox^: Then drag the "Xfce Menu" back to the panel.
[02:00] <bytor4232> ^paradox^: You can rename it to "Applications" by right clicking on it and going to "Properties"
[02:01] <^paradox^> ok but i dont know where it went
[02:02] <bytor4232> ^paradox^: That "Applications" menu is the "Xfce Menu" which can be added to the panel via "Add New Item"
[02:03] <^paradox^> whats it called in there?
[02:04] <xindo> is there any way to configure a touch pad in xfce? or a command line way?
[02:05] <^paradox^> is it launcher?
[02:07] <^paradox^> oh i found it lol
[02:10] <^paradox^> bytor4232: i need a little more help if u dont mind giving me hand
[02:11] <^paradox^> :)
[02:13] <slimjimflim> Hi.  Has anybody dealt with Hardy, possibly only 64 bit, not liking java and firefox 3?
[02:18] <^paradox^> ok well thats one thing fixed
[02:20] <^paradox^> in settings manager user interface i upped the font size and it now appears that the S in applications is half cut off by gray
[02:21] <^paradox^> how can i fix so that one button doesnt look like it runs into another?
[02:24] <xindo> try "move "
[02:24] <xindo> right click and choose "move"
[02:29] <^paradox^> apparently right clicking then clicking properties straightened it out
[02:29] <^paradox^> i didnt change anything though
[02:29] <slimjimflim> anybody?
[02:29] <slimjimflim> ^^^
[02:30] <xindo> never dealt with 64, there is some info in the ubuntu forum concerning getting it going though
[02:30] <xaer0> hello
[02:30] <^paradox^> theres a ubuntu channel on dalnet network as well
[02:30] <^paradox^> u might try there too
[02:30] <xaer0> anyone have a quick fix for "HAL Failure" on load?
[02:32] <^paradox^> well now that everythings back to normal i gotta tell u im liking xubuntu
[02:33] <xindo> yea, xfce is quick
[02:33] <slimjimflim> hmm
[02:33] <slimjimflim> i think i found another 'fix'
[02:33] <slimjimflim> maybe this one will work
[02:33] <^paradox^> and fun too when im not screwing it up
[02:33] <xaer0> darn HAL
[02:33] <xindo> easier to figure out than gnome for me
[02:34] <^paradox^> i still have gnome, but id heard about much better speed so i thought id try it
[02:35] <^paradox^> so xfce can run everything gnome can?
[02:35] <xaer0> basically
[02:36] <xaer0> i use AWN, Compiz, Amarok, Banshee, WINE
[02:36] <xaer0> Emerald, Flock....
[02:36] <xindo> thank so, certain things from gnome might require a few gnome libraries
[02:36] <xaer0> xubuntu has to use GNOME libraries
[02:36] <^paradox^> well if thats all its a good trade off
[02:36] <xaer0> look at your process manager... has to use things like gnome-screensaver
[02:36] <xindo> all the same ones?
[02:36] <xindo> ah, ok
[02:37] <^paradox^> i dont use a scrensaver
[02:37] <^paradox^> i just turn off the monitor
[02:37] <xaer0> well good to disable it so it doesnt use it
[02:38] <xaer0> also uses gnome-power-management
[02:38] <^paradox^> i just see a need for one
[02:38] <^paradox^> dont
[02:39] <xindo> i'd like one that pops up a few selected sysmons in a fullscreen display
[02:39] <xaer0> some things in xubuntu use GNOME programs
[02:39] <^paradox^> im new to linux. ive been using it about six months now
[02:40] <^paradox^> ive found alot of great features i never had in windows
[02:40] <xaer0> im some what relatively new...
[02:40] <xaer0> used xubuntu and ubuntu back when 6.10
[02:40] <xindo> yes, you can really control every little detail
[02:41] <^paradox^> but i wasnt going to use vista
[02:41] <xaer0> well i gotta try to get HAL working again
[02:41] <xaer0> laters
[02:41] <^paradox^> later
[02:41] <^paradox^> vistas a damn mess if u ask me
[02:42] <xindo> ha, yea, got it installed, still dual booting, but seriously considering linux only
[02:43] <^paradox^> how in the hell mr softy gets away with charging $200 for useless cruft is beyond me
[02:43] <xindo> addiction
[02:44] <^paradox^> if more ppl could just try a few distros theyd quickly switch i believe
[02:44] <^paradox^> and i dont mean those damndable live cds
[02:44] <slimjimflim> ubuntu comes on a livecd
[02:44] <slimjimflim> even xubuntu
[02:45] <slimjimflim> i take it you've never used knoppix
[02:45] <^paradox^> im sorry but until its installed on te hard drive it sucks
[02:45] <slimjimflim> not true
[02:45] <slimjimflim> there's a time and a place for everything
[02:45] <^paradox^> not the os
[02:45] <^paradox^> just the speed
[02:46] <slimjimflim> have you ever tried to reset a password that you forgot?
[02:46] <slimjimflim> even on xp?
[02:46] <slimjimflim> livecds are great for that
[02:46] <slimjimflim> and for data recovery
[02:46] <^paradox^> ive got a great head for numbers and passwords. i havent run into that problem yet
[02:47] <slimjimflim> or if your friend has some crappy ms distro and you wanna come over and surf the webz w/o waiting 1/2 hr. a page
[02:47] <slimjimflim> it's only a matter of time
[02:47] <^paradox^> lol yeh i guess so
[02:47] <slimjimflim> point is, if you did, that would be the time and the place
[02:47] <^paradox^> so what is knoppix?
[02:48] <slimjimflim> livecds let people that have no clue about linux have a taste and see how fast it really is
[02:48] <slimjimflim> knoppix is a distro specifically designed to fit on a cd
[02:48] <slimjimflim> there's also knoppix std which is security-centered
[02:49] <^paradox^> is it unix or linux or something different?
[02:49] <slimjimflim> but don't expect all your audio/video stuff to work w/ that
[02:49] <slimjimflim> linux
[02:49] <slimjimflim> debian based iirc
[02:49] <slimjimflim> yea it is
[02:49] <^paradox^> but its very good for rescue purposes
[02:49] <slimjimflim> so it's a lot like ubuntu, which is also debian based
[02:49] <slimjimflim> yes
[02:50] <slimjimflim> and since it gets copied to memory you can still add packages on the fly
[02:50] <slimjimflim> they just disappear when you reboot, of course, but you can run a webserver ftp server w/e from it...it's a full fledged linux
[02:51] <slimjimflim> say your dog steps on the wrong key and deletes your term paper....just get out your knoppix
[02:51] <^paradox^> is it true that a unix used to cost like $1000
[02:51] <^paradox^> ?
[02:52] <slimjimflim> there have been proprietary versions
[02:52] <slimjimflim> solaris used to be
[02:52] <slimjimflim> hp-ux i think still is
[02:52] <^paradox^> i only know a little about it
[02:52] <slimjimflim> np
[02:53] <^paradox^> i think at&t created unix like in early 70's
[02:53] <slimjimflim> i don't mind helping
[02:53] <slimjimflim> yea
[02:53] <^paradox^> interesting facts
[02:54] <^paradox^> i like watching different OSs
[02:54] <^paradox^> ive been watching haiku and reactos
[02:54] <^paradox^> reactos is very interesting
[02:55] <slimjimflim> oss http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source#History
[02:55] <^paradox^> not as an os for me
[02:55] <slimjimflim> i'm not familiar with those
[02:55] <^paradox^> but because it looks like theyre making a windows like operating system
[02:56] <^paradox^> http://www.reactos.org/en/index.html
[02:57] <^paradox^> http://www.haiku-os.org/
[02:57] <^paradox^> haiku is supposedly an open source version of the Be operating system that went bankrupt
[02:58] <^paradox^> reactos to my knowledge is a windows nt like os
[02:59] <^paradox^> its funny though how reactos downplays linux
[03:00] <^paradox^> but they are fun to watch
[03:02] <^paradox^> when i read about reactos i cant understand exactly what it is theyre trying to achieve
[03:03] <^paradox^> they give alot of details, but yet theyre vague about their ultimate goal
[03:05] <^paradox^> can u make any sense of it?
[03:56] <^paradox^> i read thar open source history
[03:56] <^paradox^> its all very interesting
[04:34] <zynergi> reactos?
[04:34] <zynergi> simple
[04:35] <zynergi> something that looks like windows that you don't have to buy/download/steal/rob your neighbor for
[04:35] <zynergi> ;)
[04:35] <slimjimflim> ^paradox^ didn't mean to leave you hangin, had some shit to take care of
[05:14] <OmgItsAshark> hey guys i just downloaded the openoffice.tar.gz it is currently sitting on my desktop what is the command to install it??
[05:17] <favro> OmgItsAshark: the one in the repos missing something you need?
[05:19] <OmgItsAshark> what do you mean
[05:19] <OmgItsAshark> i just downloaded the file and i dont know what to do with it now
[05:20] <favro> !openoffice
[05:20] <favro> OmgItsAshark: ^^
[05:20] <OmgItsAshark> thanks guys always wonderful and helpful
[05:20] <favro> !packages
[05:21] <favro> OmgItsAshark: ^^
[05:21] <OmgItsAshark> hahaha
[05:21] <OmgItsAshark> thanks guy s
[05:21] <OmgItsAshark> god im loving linux
[06:09] <nbl> hello
[06:09] <nbl> i just installed xubuntu
[06:10] <nbl> and i found out one of my nic cards was not working because my MoBo was not pci 2.2, so i swap nics from another computer
[06:11] <nbl> this time i know the nic is getting power but when i do ifconfig i dont see it
[06:12] <nbl> lshw -C network, shows both my nics, but one is unclaimed
[06:12] <favro> is it listed in the file /etc/network/interfaces?
[06:12] <nbl> how do i claim it, with out reinstalling xubuntu again
[06:12] <nbl> i dont think so, i will look
[06:13] <nbl> no
[06:13] <nbl> in that file it starts with auto lo
[06:14] <nbl> iface lo inet loopback
[06:14] <favro> then   gksu mousepad /etc/network/interfaces   and add an entry for it - call it eth1
[06:15] <nbl> im very new to this concept, what is that i'm doing? and how should the file look?
[06:16] <favro> you are editing a file graphically with admin rights - and the entry for the second nic should look like the entry for the first except it will be called eth1
[06:19] <nbl> ok.... reboot?
[06:20] <favro> no - sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[06:21] <nbl> and why dont i see an entry for eth0 in that file
[06:22] <favro> you should have auto lo and auto eth0 and auto eth1
[06:25] <nbl> no auto eth0, but i'm getting no such devices for eth1 when i ran that
[06:25] <favro> what does ifconfig show now?
[06:28] <nbl> http://pastebin.com/m481e59cf
[06:32] <favro> what does    sudo lshw | grep eth   tell you?
[06:33] <nbl> favro: here is lspci and lshw
[06:33] <nbl> http://pastebin.com/d7c41d15c
[06:33] <favro> you get more info with sudo lshw
[06:33] <nbl> little different then what you just said, hold on a sec
[06:36] <favro> nbl: don't worry :)
[06:36] <nbl> nothing about eth1
[06:38] <nbl> so what do you think is wrong? not seated well in the PCI slot? Bad Drivers? IRQ conflitions?
[06:38] <favro> lspci sees it so it's in the slot ok
[06:38] <nbl> this is on an older pc that built from scratch parts,
[06:38] <favro> try calling it eth2 instead
[06:38] <nbl> i know both cards are good
[06:39] <nbl> is it odd that i dont have eth0 in that file, yet it is still showing up in ifconfig
[06:39] <favro> "There is already a pid file /var/run/dhclient.eth1.pid with pid 134519072" - makes me think try eth2
[06:39] <favro> yeh - no eth0 in interfaces is strange
[06:42] <nbl> same thing
[06:43] <nbl> do you want to see that file, it is only 4 lines, so i cant imagine i screwed up too much, pluse this is a fresh install
[06:44] <favro> hmmm
[06:44] <ozkugh> i installed mysql-server, mysql php5 atd apache2, and all installed well, however it cannot open php files on the browser, it just asks me where i want to save the file
[06:45] <ozkugh> any help?
[06:47] <nbl> i added eth0 to that interfaces file along with eth1 and eth2/
[06:47] <nbl> it renewed my connection on eth0 but could not find eth1 or eth2
[06:50] <favro> well remove the eth2 entries for now
[06:51] <favro> sounds like that nick card might need a module loaded
[06:51] <nbl> i just switched cables, and same problem
[06:51] <nbl> what does that mean? module loaded
[06:55] <zoredache> it means the software needed to enable it isn't running or not available
[06:57] <zoredache> ozkugh: did apache get restarted?
[06:57] <zoredache> ozkugh: also make sure you installed libapache2-mod-php5
[07:01] <favro> nbl: try ifconfig eth1 up then ifconfig to see if it worked
[07:02] <nbl> i get an error of no such device
[07:03] <zoredache> what type of network cards do you have?
[07:04] <nbl> hmmm... kingstone i think is one
[07:04] <nbl> they are both 10/100
[07:04] <favro> nbl: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/debian-install-network-not-detected-110910/ - I'm reading this
[07:05] <favro> not much around about your card
[07:05] <zoredache> the link speed is far less important then the manufacturer/model/chipset information for the adapter
[07:05] <nbl> zoredache: check this out http://pastebin.com/d7c41d15c
[07:06] <nbl> i realy dont know to much about them, i just bought a new gigabit rosewell with WOL for this computer, but after installing xubuntu i came to find out that the card is pci 2.2 and will not work with my pci 2.1 slot
[07:07] <zoredache> hmm... and the 172.28.64.128 address is assigned to the working card?
[07:07] <nbl> so i swaped the card with another computer, did not realy glanced at the name
[07:07] <nbl> yes
[07:07] <nbl> that is on one of my eth cards
[07:09] <zoredache> do a 'lsmod | tulip' and see if anything shows up...
[07:09] <zoredache> try running 'modprobe tulip' and then running ifconfig
[07:10] <nbl> if you dont mind can you explain what that is and what it does so i can learn a little bit more about the linux world
[07:11] <zoredache> lsmod tells you want drivers are loaded...  modprobe will try and load a driver.  tulip is the driver that I think may be needed for the LNE100TX card you have
[07:12] <zoredache> of course run both lsmod/modprobe as root or with sudo
[07:12] <nbl> so i should apt-get tulip
[07:12] <zoredache> no
[07:13] <zoredache> the driver usually comes as part of the kernel package.  All I am suggesting is that you try loading it
[07:14] <zoredache> so 'sudo modprobe tulip'
[07:15] <nbl> ok... should i see something happen, any kind of return from that command?
[07:15] <zoredache> generally on the unix command line if you see nothing after running a command that is a good thing
[07:15] <zoredache> you only see things if there was an error
[07:16] <nbl> ok, good
[07:17] <zoredache> anyway after running try running something like 'ifconfig -a -s' to see if you have more then 1 interface
[07:19] <nbl> eth0 mru lo ru show up
[07:21] <favro> now I would do  lsmod | grep tulip
[07:21] <nbl> yep
[07:22] <nbl>  \tulip "a number" 0
[07:22] <favro> so it's installed? - sudo ifconfig eth1 up   then   ifconfig
[07:22] <nbl> tulip        53536 0
[07:23] <ushimitsudoki> I need some help figuring out why a few apps run but do not "show up"? That is the process appear in ps, and they seem to be working, but the windows are not displayed. Not sure where to start troubleshooting this issue
[07:23] <favro> nbl: sudo ifconfig eth1 up   then   ifconfig
[07:23] <nbl> i did
[07:24] <favro> and?
[07:24] <nbl> no such device
[07:24] <nbl> i did it for eth2 also, and the same
[07:25] <nbl> any more ideas?
[07:25] <nbl> Thanks for both of your help, favro zoredache
[07:25] <zoredache> try another network card?
[07:26] <zoredache> perhaps one that matches the card you already have
[07:27] <favro> nbl: from - http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/debian-install-network-not-detected-110910/ - "I loded dmfe with mode=4 (force 10 mbit full duplex) and it worked like a charm after that." whatever that means
[07:28] <nbl> i dont think i have another that will work with this pc, but i will try putting the card in a different  slot zoredache
[07:31] <nbl> favro: if you dont know i surly dont know
[07:31] <favro> nbl: I thought zoredache might maybe
[07:32] <nbl> just another thought i had this nic card working before in ubuntu 6 lts
[07:34] <nbl> but im about to go, will be on later
[07:34] <nbl> should i de modeprobe tulip
[07:35] <nbl> since that did not work
[07:40] <nbl> one more thing, could it be that this computer is overclocked?
[07:41] <nbl> not by much, stock speed is 500mhz it is at 560 now
[07:51] <KlimJay> Would Xubuntu be a more "basic" GUI , yet have enough things to build upon , and not come with Kcrapapp1,Kcrappapp2,Kthis,Kthat ?
[07:52] <KlimJay> And does it have a Wubi installer?
[07:52] <KlimJay> (included in the basic disk)
[08:02] <JinKazama> hi all
[08:04] <JinKazama> i have instaled xubuntu and yesterday i have install windows xp on the same pc. now its boot dyrectly windows and i have not choice which OS to start. how to fix this ?
[08:08] <jarnos> JinKazama, boot from desktop cd and install grub again.
[08:09] <JinKazama> yes , i booted form live cd. and now i dont know what to do ... :)
[08:11] <OmfgItsAShark> how do i change the color of the two bars and how do i change just the font on those two bars
[08:13] <cacahuate> hello.. when i booting.. this module "piix4_smbus" stays for like 8 seconds.. and its failed.. i think i dont need it.. how can i delete it, so my boot go faster
[08:14] <OmfgItsAShark>  hey can anybody help me with xubuntu stuff
[08:15] <OmfgItsAShark> i wanna change the color of the panels and the opacity but the i cant fingure out how too
[08:18] <jarnos> JinKazama, you google (install grub from live cd) and find http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=224351
[08:19] <OmfgItsAShark> would you know how to chhange the color and font color of the panels in xubuntu
[08:27] <favro> OmfgItsAShark: you change themes to do that generally
[08:27] <favro> !themes
[09:13] <JinKazama> jarnos, thanx! its done, but naw i lost my Windows boot :)
[09:14] <JinKazama> *how
[09:22] <JinKazama> i have not record for windows in my /boot/grub/menu.lst file . how to fox this ?
[09:22] <JinKazama> *fix
[09:22] <JinKazama> im sorry for my bad english
[09:24] <favro> JinKazama: I'll paste mine
[09:24] <favro> !paste
[09:25] <favro> JinKazama: http://paste.ubuntu.com/43577/ - add it right at the end
[09:27] <JinKazama> thanx . ill try now
[09:34] <JinKazama> favro, now if i chose Win Xp from Grub menu,  retuns : Error 13: Invalid or unsupported executable format
[09:36] <favro> JinKazama: this line - root		(hd0,0) - says the windows partition is the first one on the first hard disk - is that where your's is?
[09:36] <JinKazama> windows and xubuntu are on the same hard drive, but diferent partitions. xubuntu is on partition 1 and win is on partition 2
[09:37] <favro> JinKazama: then change the line so it reads - root		(hd0,1)
[09:37] <JinKazama> OK. ill try now
[09:40] <JinKazama> :D it works perfect now :) thanx alot favro :)
[09:40] <favro> JinKazama: glad to help :)
[10:39] <jarnos_> favro: Doesn't update-grub add Windows to menu.lst?
[10:41] <favro> jarnos: not in my experience - it tells you where it looks when you run it
[10:41] <KlimJay> Does anyone know, when the next release will be out, will "Wubi" users be able to upgrade just like if they had real partitions and as easy as if they did ? Or will C:\host have to be redone completly from scratch ?
[10:48] <NCommander> KlimJay, late October on intrepid, and you can simply upgrade
[10:48] <NCommander> KlimJay, although last time I checked, LTS's (aka Hardy) will not prompt to upgrade to Intrepid when its released, you need to trigger it manually
[10:49] <KlimJay> NCommander: this will be as simple as running *ubuntu normally under EXT3 and swap partitions ?
[10:50] <KlimJay> With NTFS (Wubi) install ?
[10:50] <NCommander> KlimJay, as I said, you'll have to manually allow it to update to intrepid, but then its just a matter of running the updater
[10:50] <NCommander> (and taking a nap)
[10:50] <KlimJay> Ok.
[10:50] <NCommander> KlimJay, when intrepid is released, the README will have step by step directions on how to upgrade from Hardy
[10:51] <KlimJay> In another words, in general, there should be no dificulties cause I did not use real partitions and used Wubi ?
[10:51] <NCommander> PRetty much
[10:51] <NCommander> Wubi however is slower then real ext3/swap
[10:51] <NCommander> So the upgrade will take longer
[10:52] <KlimJay> Well, I am not at the point to where I want to give up windows.
[10:52] <KlimJay> I am more at the testing/seeing if I want to point
[10:52] <KlimJay> So Wubi is best right now.
[10:52] <NCommander> KlimJay, just remember, the installer these days can setup a real dualboot automatically
[10:53] <NCommander> But yeah, Wubi awesome like that
[10:53] <KlimJay> I can't seem to get the partitions right, perhaps there is a limit on partitions I can make ?
[10:54] <KlimJay> Dell already has 2 partitions
[10:54] <KlimJay> then NTFS, the main one.
[10:54] <KlimJay> So I resize the NTFS, and get ext3
[10:54] <NCommander> Four is the traditional limit
[10:54] <KlimJay> But then, the space left goes to "unusable"
[10:54] <NCommander> O_o;;;
[10:54] <NCommander> Strange
[10:54] <KlimJay> Then that seems to be the problem.
[10:54] <NCommander> Just stay with Wubi ;-)
[10:54] <KlimJay> Cause I can't redo "unusable" to the swap
[10:55] <KlimJay> yes.
[10:55] <NCommander> Well, strictly speaking, you don't need a seperate swap parition
[10:55] <NCommander> You can get by with a swapfile
[10:55] <KlimJay> There's an option for that ?
[10:55] <NCommander> KlimJay, not in the installer, but if you force the install to run without a swap, you can enable it on the first boot
[10:56] <NCommander> (you loose the ability howver to use hibernation)
[10:56] <KlimJay> I don't use that anyway.
[10:56] <KlimJay> On Window, any OS
[10:57] <NCommander> Personally, I'd just stay with Wubi until your sure you want to make the switch
[10:57] <KlimJay> Yeah.  There is some things that annoy me that make me wonder right now.
[10:57] <NCommander> KlimJay, like?
[10:58] <KlimJay> Such as getting my hardware to work
[10:58] <NCommander> KlimJay, what's the gadget that doesn't work?
[10:58] <KlimJay> My Scanner will make a sound like "I think I can, I think I can" then crap out
[10:58] <KlimJay> before it starts canning
[10:58] <KlimJay> scanning
[10:58] <NCommander> ouch
[10:58] <KlimJay> CanoScan FB630U
[10:58] <NCommander> Scanning on LInux is so hit and miss its pathetic
[10:59]  * NCommander has had nothing but trouble with SANE
[10:59] <KlimJay> My Dell Photo Printer 540 don't work either
[10:59] <NCommander> That probably just needs some CUPS foo
[10:59] <NCommander> check out linuxprinting.org on that one
[10:59] <KlimJay> Wasn't nothing there
[10:59] <NCommander> Generally speaking, Dell printers either speak postscript or PCL
[11:00] <NCommander> (I've never encountered one that doesn't, although their inkjets might be the exception)
[11:00] <KlimJay> This isn't an injet
[11:00] <NCommander> Try using a generic postscript PPD, and see if your printer works
[11:00] <KlimJay> ink jet
[11:00] <NCommander> Laser?
[11:00] <KlimJay> It uh, like transfers on to photo paper.
[11:01] <KlimJay> I don't know what you call that
[11:01] <NCommander> If its a laser printer, 9/10s out of ten it supports Postscript
[11:01] <NCommander> Oh
[11:01] <NCommander> Hrm
[11:01] <NCommander> Got me
[11:01] <NCommander> I recommend trying some generic drivers
[11:01] <NCommander> You usually get lucky
[11:03] <KlimJay> It seems the photo printer is hardly supported anyway
[11:03] <KlimJay> even for windows
[11:03] <KlimJay> Currently, Windows Vista does not include drivers to support the Dell Photo Printer 540. Additionally, the Dell drivers that are available for the Dell Photo Printer 540 are only supported on a computer that is running one of the following operating systems:
[11:03] <KlimJay>     * Microsoft Windows® XP
[11:03] <KlimJay>     * Microsoft Windows 2000
[11:04] <NCommander> Oooh
[11:04] <NCommander> ouch
[11:04] <NCommander> Try WINE on that printer
[11:04] <NCommander> It might work if LInux sees the printer as a USB device
[11:16] <favro> !cups
[11:16] <favro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - this one might let you know if it is supported
[11:20] <KlimJay> I don't see it listed anywhere.
[11:26] <favro> don't lose heart :)
[11:42] <favro> KlimJay: it seems sometimes the lexmark drivers will work... you'll need to experiment :)
[11:45] <KlimJay> Or, maybe just hook it up to one of the machines that can't be converted from XP
[11:46] <favro> that'll work too :)
[11:48] <KlimJay> I however, want to be able to use the scanner atleast.
[11:48] <KlimJay> without waiting on someone to get done with their computer
[11:56] <favro> from my quick google search it seems your printer is one that was made when dell support was poor...
[11:56] <KlimJay> Yes
[11:57] <KlimJay> Even in windows
[11:58] <favro> apart from asking dell about it...
[11:59] <KlimJay> They just give me the links to download the windows drivers.
[11:59] <KlimJay> I thought they where supposed to be all "ubuntu friendly" now ?
[12:00] <favro> that's what I thought when I started a search - but they didn't work back through the models apparently
[12:03] <KlimJay> Hell, they don't even have Vista support, I'm not thinking much is gonna happen
[12:03] <KlimJay> Other than taking the SD/MMC card and putting it in the photo printer itself
[12:05] <KlimJay> Seems I should get a Brother photo printers
[12:05] <KlimJay> -s
[12:05] <KlimJay> I remember our IntellaFax worked perfect
[13:08] <Ben_Cs> hello
[13:09] <Ben_Cs> how do i edit the xfce menu? the editor in "settings" shows only 5 entries. and has some "include" in the middle.
[13:24] <Queops> Hello
[13:24] <Queops> Need some help
[13:25] <Queops> I just installed
[13:25] <Queops> xubuntu
[13:25] <Queops> but can't login as root
[13:25] <Queops> in the terminal
[13:25] <Queops> tried all my passwords and doesnt work
[13:36] <favro> with a little patcience...
[14:22] <nbl> hey again
[14:47] <xindo> hello all
[14:48] <xindo> I was wondering if there is a way to manage fonts, firefox in particular somewhat annoys me, the login and password box have a huge font, and the fonts used to render a page are really small
[14:49] <xindo> are fonts system wide, or do they vary from app to app?
[14:50] <xindo> I know you can use crt++ to increase the font size, but this sometimes breaks the page, and makes regular fonts even bigger
[15:58] <Ahmuck> postgresql will not start, any reason why?
[15:59] <cody-somerville> I imagine the log files tell you :]
[16:02]  * Ahmuck looks for a chainsaw
[18:35] <jarnos> Hi, I have printer parallel:/dev/lp0 installed on another printer. How do I install it on Xubuntu computer so that I can print in LAN?
[19:00] <Guest46749> Hallo, anyone uses "Network manager" status plugin for the task bar?
[19:00] <Guest46749> it does not show my transfer here :(
[19:02] <TheSheep> Guest46749: you need to configure it
[19:03] <TheSheep> Guest46749: in particular, type 'eth0' in the 'device name' field
[19:03] <Guest46749> it's german, the second edit window?
[19:03] <TheSheep> yeah
[19:04] <TheSheep> that is, if you are using wired network
[19:04] <TheSheep> for wifi it would wlan0 or something
[19:04] <ddelony> Hmmm, most new users of Linux wouldn't know what their ethernet interface was.
[19:04] <TheSheep> ddelony: yes, xubuntu is considerably less friendly to new users than ubuntu
[19:05] <TheSheep> ddelony: doesn't take you by the hand so much
[19:05] <Guest46749> but it's beautiful :D
[19:05] <ddelony> I love xubuntu because it's fast. :-)
[19:06] <ddelony> Unfortunately, when I turn on compositing, it's slower than my similarly configured Mac laptop's Quartz.
[19:07] <TheSheep> ddelony: apparently your graphics card doesn't have hardware acceleration for compositing, either in hardware or in drivers
[19:07] <ddelony> I didn't know there was special hardware or drivers just for compositing.
[19:07] <ddelony> I thought acceleration would do the trick.
[19:08] <TheSheep> ddelony: its 2d acceleration, different than 3d acceleration
[19:08] <ddelony> Acceleration definitely works.
[19:08] <ddelony> I mean 3d acceleration.
[19:09] <TheSheep> then you might get better performance with compiz
[19:09] <ddelony> The card on my PC was made before compositing became popular and seems to be geared more toward 3d acceleration than compositing.
[19:11] <ddelony> Ah, great idea! Thanks. It's much smoother now!
[19:13] <ddelony> Unfortunately, it appears that I can only have one workspace now.
[19:14] <TheSheep> ddelony: but how large :)
[19:14] <TheSheep> ddelony: compiz uses one huge workspace
[19:14] <TheSheep> ddelony: you can set how many screens it has in compiz settings
[19:27] <Guest46749> Another plugin question: Can i hide the dict book logo and havin just the edit panel there?
[19:30] <ddelony> It seems that compiz screwed up my settings. I had to add xfwm4 to my startup apps.
[19:31] <TheSheep> ddelony: ouch
[19:31] <TheSheep> ddelony: sorry
[19:32] <ddelony> TheSheep: Don't worry, it's Linux. :-p
[19:33] <ddelony> Hmmm, what configuration files get read before the startup list?
[19:34] <TheSheep> ddelony: session
[19:34] <TheSheep> ddelony: it's saved in ~/.cache/session
[19:35] <TheSheep> and in /etc/xdg/xfce4-session
[19:36] <ddelony> I'm trying to figure out what compiz screwed up.
[19:38] <TheSheep> ddelony: it probably saved itself in your session, so xfwm4 doesn't start because it sees another window manager already running
[19:40] <ddelony> Hmmm, can't seem to find anything.
[19:40] <Guest46749> Do you know how to make the taskbar roll out when having set it but it doesnt work after some hours?
[19:42] <TheSheep> ddelony: how about /usr/share/xsessions ?
[19:47] <ddelony> I logged out and picked "Xfce session" and logged back in. It seems to be fine now.
[19:47] <ddelony> Thanks. :-)
[19:49] <TheSheep> ddelony: ah, that's the .dmrc file :)
[20:06] <ddelony> TheSheep: Thanks.
[20:24] <nbl> mm i have two nics cards on my comp, i notice one nic does downstream while the other is up stream, is that common?
[20:30] <nbl> one molre thing, what do you recommend for a backup softwear to back up 3 other computers on my network
[20:31] <Odd-rationale> nbl: rsync is great for backups
[20:31] <nbl> something that is automatic, fast, but can run on a slow old computer
[20:31] <Odd-rationale> or rdiff-backup
[20:31] <Odd-rationale> yeah, rsync then.
[20:31] <nbl> do those have gui?
[20:31] <Odd-rationale> schedule it with a cron job
[20:31] <Odd-rationale> no
[20:31] <nbl> <<--- linux n00b
[20:32] <nbl> i was looking at Simple Backup Solution or Backup pc
[20:33] <Odd-rationale> nbl: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/rsync
[20:36] <nbl> what is the difference between Incremental Backup and Archival backup
[20:36] <Odd-rationale> archivial backup creates an archive. like a .tar file with all the backed up files in it
[20:37] <Odd-rationale> incremental copies the changes files from one directory to another.
[20:37] <jeriko> nbl: check out flexbackup
[20:37] <jeriko> rsync is awesome as well
[20:55] <nbl> is there a way to show my other computers on my network in xfce file manger, by using samba or something
[20:56] <jeriko> all linux computers?
[20:56] <nbl> i have samba up now, but my xubuntu is denieing access from my WinXp machine, and i want to text from xubuntu to my shared files on a win comp.
[20:56] <nbl> no
[20:57] <nbl> mixed
[20:57] <jeriko> linux + win = samba
[20:57] <jeriko> lin + lin = nfs
[20:57] <Odd-rationale> or sshfs
[20:57] <jeriko> just mount remote drives and browse them as if they were local
[20:58] <nbl> so the path would be smb://Computer_name/sharedFolderName
[20:59] <jeriko> it's been a while since i've samba'd, but yea something like that
[21:20] <ddelony> join #xubuntu-devel
[21:20] <ddelony> D'oh!
[21:29] <tibetoine> hi
[21:30] <tibetoine> When I run a Wine application i have this kind or result : http://i38.tinypic.com/2d0chmc.jpg
[21:30] <tibetoine> I have an ATI video card with driver 8.6 catalyst
[21:30] <ghetek> hey guys im looking for a shell utility to help me organize my mp3 collection. i want somthing that will let me automate makign my directory structure (musichome/artist/album/01 Trackname.mp3)
[21:30] <tibetoine> My ubuntu is the Hardy Heron
[21:31] <tibetoine> Could you help me someone ?
[21:37] <bytor4232> tibetoine: Wow.  That is really wierd.  Its got me beat.  Try #ubuntu
[21:37] <bytor4232> ghetek: That would be the holy grail of music organization indeed.  The only thing close that I've found is the most awesome easytag, but thats not a console based application, its gtk.
[22:08] <ghetek> bytor4232 too bad. all my music is stored on a ubuntu server and im having the hardest time trying to organize it all
[22:15] <jeriko> unless you have perfect tags or perfect file names, full automation is impossible imho
[22:25] <TheSheep> there are tools like cowbell that automate a large part of it
[22:44] <Odd-rationale> easytag ftw!
[22:45] <Odd-rationale> !info easytag
[22:49]  * bytor4232 loves easytag
[22:56]  * Markopotamus hops up and down with glee. Favro, favro, everything is good, there are no problems, all is right \o/
[22:56]  * Markopotamus finds something to break.
[22:56] <favro> hehe :0
[22:57] <favro> :)
[22:59] <Odd-rationale> !yay | Markopotamus
[23:00] <Markopotamus> Heheh, sorry, perhaps a lil over excited there.
[23:00] <Odd-rationale> !helpersnack | favro
[23:02] <Markopotamus> On a more serious note, I'd really like to know more about the command line in Linux. Are there any good TUTs or guides that would help a newbie understand what's what?
[23:02] <Odd-rationale> http://linuxcommand.org
[23:02] <Markopotamus> cheers, Odd-rationale, I'll take a look
[23:03] <xindo> ghetek: musicbrainz.org
[23:07] <Odd-rationale> Markopotamus: don't try to learn it all in one day... just learn a bit, then use it... and come back and learn some more
[23:08] <Markopotamus> Odd-rationale: hehe yeah, I'll do that.
[23:09] <Markopotamus> Odd-rationale: I spent most of yesterday trying to get Samba working, between this Xubuntu laptop and my WIndows XP PC. Took ages but finally managed it, but only through a terminal Window. I picked up a few things but would really like to understand a whole lot more about what's going on.
[23:10] <Odd-rationale> Markopotamus: like what
[23:10] <Odd-rationale> ?
[23:11] <Markopotamus> Odd-rationale: like all the syntax and all the... erm. Daemons (?). All the things you can call up and what they mean. And the dirrectory structure.
[23:12] <Markopotamus> So far I've mostly just been typing into the terminal window what people have been telling me to type, adapting it as necessary. I wan't to know why what I'm typing does what it does.
[23:13] <Markopotamus> and I want to know what to do in the first place :)
[23:13] <Odd-rationale> Markopotamus: one place you can learn a lot is by manpages. e.g., if you want to learn about the cp command try: man cp
[23:13] <Odd-rationale> also, you can learn some stuff through: <command> --help
[23:14] <Odd-rationale> although some apps don't have a --help
[23:14] <Markopotamus> Odd-rationale: Ok, cool. Ill remember that.
[23:15] <Markopotamus> Odd-rationale: Mostly I've been resorting to 'help' to find a command and then 'help <command>' to find out more.
[23:15] <Odd-rationale> although manpages are not always the easiest thing to read...
[23:15] <Odd-rationale> oh, and use q to exit the manpage
[23:15] <Markopotamus> Odd-rationale: Oh hey, is there a key combination to bring up the terminal?
[23:16] <Odd-rationale> Markopotamus: you can make one. applications --> settings --> keyboard --> shorcuts
[23:17] <Odd-rationale> Markopotamus: you can make one. applications --> settings --> keyboard --> shorcuts
[23:17] <Markopotamus> haha whoops.
[23:17] <Markopotamus> remind me not to play with key combinations :p
[23:18] <Markopotamus> Odd-rationale: Ok!
[23:26] <Markopotamus> Odd-rationale: I'm looking at the keyboard command menu and I've made a new theme and can add key commands to it, but I'm not clear how to make one to bring up the terminal. Any hints?
[23:27] <Odd-rationale> Markopotamus: make the command: terminal
[23:27] <Odd-rationale> Markopotamus: then make the key combo anythin you like that is not taken
[23:27] <Odd-rationale> like ctrl+alt+t
[23:27] <Markopotamus> Odd-rationale: that simple? Cool!
[23:28] <Odd-rationale> Markopotamus: well, it only works becuase the command to to start the xfce-terminal it "terminal"
[23:28] <Odd-rationale> Markopotamus: if you were in gnome then you would do "gnome-terminal". in kde, "konsole"
[23:29] <Markopotamus> Odd-rationale: Hrm. When I enter "terminal" as the command it comes back with "The command doesn't exist or the file is not executable !"
[23:30] <Odd-rationale> Markopotamus: hmm. can you run "terminal" in a terminal?
[23:30] <Markopotamus> no!
[23:31] <Markopotamus> however when I type "Terminal" it comes back with "The program 'Terminal' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
[23:31] <Markopotamus> sudo apt-get install terminal.app"
[23:31] <Odd-rationale> no. don't do that...
[23:31] <Odd-rationale> maybe it is xfce4-terminal?
[23:31] <Markopotamus> Odd-rationale: Yes, that works :)
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