[00:00] Riddell, I edited the diff to add it o_o; [00:01] NCommander: I used the version from your PPA [00:01] NCommander: what does "Brown Paper Bag Update" mean? [00:01] + * Corrected installation files to account for files that [00:01] + were removed with the last alpha. (LP: #266941) [00:01] It means I'm ashamed of the previous update, since it shouldn't have been uploaded (I test built it on Hardy vs. Intrepid chroots on PPC by accident) [00:02] "-#include " you sure that doesn't break anything? [00:03] Test built on both amd64 (intrepid), and powerpc (intrepid) [00:04] I can upload to my PPA if you wish for proof [00:05] naw, I trust you [00:06] heh [00:06] Thanks [00:06] I applied for Kubuntu membership on Launchpad [00:06] ooh exciting [00:06] I figure the recent roung of FTBFS fixs counts as "significant contribution ;-)) [00:06] we'll need to organise a meeting in that casae [00:06] s/))/)\"/g [00:07] NCommander: what timezone are you in? [00:07] Eastern Standard [00:07] (UTC-5) [00:08] indi uploaded [00:08] \o/ [00:08] KDE can now build on all architectures [00:09] someone just needs to retry the builds once indi is up, since that should clear the build failure on kdeedu4 [00:10] Riddell: we should do more meetings anyway [00:10] * NCommander looks at the list of packages he's worked on [00:10] At the rate I'm going, I think when its time to apply for MOTU, it will be easier to list what I don't work on vs what I have. ... [00:10] * NCommander sighs [00:11] KDE4 seriously needs a beefly video card though I find [00:12] apachelogger: we should find a regular day and time for them [00:12] when was the last meeting? [00:12] JontheEchidna: kdegraphics uploaded [00:12] 10 days ago or so [00:12] aug, 27th [00:13] Riddell: thanks [00:13] oh, freeze is lifted? [00:13] JontheEchidna: but the patch shouldn't be number 99 unless there's a paticular reason for it to be last. also the patch name should be in the changelog by my preference so it can be grepped for [00:14] apachelogger, yeah [00:14] JontheEchidna: I told you... more verbose! :P [00:14] NCommander: cool, thx [00:14] * apachelogger pokes Riddell with http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/debdiffs/ [00:14] * NCommander thought there was one other FTBFS failure [00:14] akonadi fixes apparmor [00:14] kdelibs fixes file conflict with runtime [00:15] kdepim introduces a dep on akonadi-server as described [00:15] konq-plugins adds conflicts on kde3 versions ensuring upgrading works [00:15] apachelogger, is there any other major Kubuntu app that FTBFS? [00:15] lucky for you guys I've been out partying this evening, I'll upload anything :) [00:16] rofl [00:16] * apachelogger heads over to ubuntuwire [00:16] woot [00:17] * NCommander is curious who broke KOffice2 by not test building [00:17] er [00:17] ahem ..... [00:17] * NCommander runs away [00:17] hehe [00:17] * JontheEchidna just needs sexeh screenshots for the alpha5 wiki [00:17] widescreen please :P [00:18] JontheEchidna: grab one from the 4.1.1 story on kubuntu.org [00:18] Riddell: I made that one [00:18] ;-) [00:18] and it is not widescreen! [00:18] yes... [00:18] Riddell, can you please retry ubiquity?, its a DEP-WAIT which appears to have been cleared [00:18] JontheEchidna: http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/update-notifier-apport.png [00:18] JontheEchidna: http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/update-notifier-hooks.png [00:18] NCommander: really just koffice2 [00:18] JontheEchidna: http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/update-notifier.png (but old icon) [00:19] Riddell: thanks [00:19] I figure if Riddell feels like uploading things, I might as well go on an FTBFS fixing spree [00:19] JontheEchidna: you could use my lp picture, if you want ;-) [00:20] How do images work with the wiki? [00:21] Anyway: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/IntrepidIbex/Alpha5/Kubuntu [00:21] you can upload them but I never worked out how, if you include a URL that ends in .png or .jpg it'll make it an image [00:22] Well if somebody else knew how that would be grand :-) [00:23] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpOnActions/AttachFile [00:23] I guess [00:23] JontheEchidna: you can also steal this image and note that we were akademy gold sponsors http://dot.kde.org/1218497374/ [00:26] Ha, nice pic [00:26] JontheEchidna: kdepimlibs uploaded, but again a more verbose changelog would be good (name of patch, where did the patch come from) [00:27] Thx [00:27] * apachelogger grabs his super big todo page [00:28] smarter: status report of kepas would be cool :) [00:28] Riddell, I've got another FTBFS fix cooking in my PPA, so if your in the mood for uploading things [00:29] Second question, who's in charge of linux-restricted-modules? I'd like to commit fixs to that to get it building on powerpc [00:30] NCommander: linux team are [00:30] #ubuntu-kernel is their home [00:30] I'll have to venter there at some point and ask them [00:32] NCommander: ubiquity retried [00:33] Riddell, https://edge.launchpad.net/~sonicmctails/+archive - care to upload logwatch? (FTBFS cleared on it) [00:36] * Riddell queues NCommander after apachelogger's patches [00:37] * NCommander likes Riddell's upload friendly attitude after parties [00:37] Thus when I want to get FTBFS fixes upload, I must through a party for Riddell [00:37] * apachelogger certainly likes a good party as well ;-) [00:39] looks like tonight be patch night [00:39] Riddell, BTW, if you like, I have an application for UUC, sponsors welcome [00:40] we should also have regular patch nights, maybe the night before meetings, so we can talk about something at the meetings [00:40] NCommander: only if you make revu use oxygen icons :) [00:41] lol [00:41] apachelogger, well, its color scheme does more resemble KDE then Ubuntu's brown :-) [00:42] NCommander: UUC? [00:42] a friend of mine is using it on his ubuntu desktop [00:42] Riddell: universe contributor [00:42] Riddell, Ubuntu Universe Contribitor [00:42] AKA I get the pretty @ubuntu.com email [00:42] Riddell: pretty much like ubuntu membership just the developer version of it [00:42] you mean MOTU? [00:42] no [00:42] No upload rights yet [00:42] Riddell: ucc is before that [00:43] ucc -> motu -> core dev [00:43] NCommander: the magnifier thingy is crystalsvg, so I guess it would make sense to upgrade it to oxygen and as part of this ugrade also exchange the other icons [00:43] so just a membership approved by motu council? [00:43] You can go straight to MOTU, but I haven't been here long enough, its generally said one full release or more before you can apply for MOTU and not get rejected [00:43] Riddell: yes [00:43] a whole release! [00:44] THat's the low end [00:44] that's ages [00:44] yes [00:44] stupid policy IMHO [00:44] Someone struck that from the wiki (the time limits) [00:44] But I still would expect a general MOTU membership to be rejected [00:44] used to be a month or two I'm sure [00:44] * NCommander may end up applying for core dev however [00:44] Most of my uploads go to main [00:45] back in my day I just turned up at the techboard meeting and got approved [00:45] * NCommander looks at his upload list [00:45] 80%-ish are main uploads [00:45] umm can you imagine if someone voted against you :) [00:45] apachelogger: your stuff uploaded [00:45] NCommander: logwatch uploaded [00:45] Riddell: merci beaucoup [00:45] \o/ [00:46] FTBFS count drops by three tonight [00:46] where do I recommend NCommander for this ucc thing? [00:46] motu counsel mailing list [00:46] Riddell, roughly speaking, what are the qualifications for core dev? Its not as clear as MOTU [00:47] ooh devfil is gonnae be MOTU [00:47] yay formore motus [00:48] Riddell, he is an MOTU now [00:48] * NCommander needs to finish T&S for Debian sometime today or tommorow [00:49] NCommander: as far as I know, a desire to help the strategic goals of ubuntu. which I take to mean working on specs or having goals towards a better release rather than just fixing a package here or there [00:49] Riddell, sounds like my work with kees on the PIE experiment [00:49] mmmm i like pie :) [00:49] hm [00:50] * apachelogger hands jjesse a cookie for now [00:50] evening apachelogger [00:50] It currently involves bootstrapping Ubuntu from scratch (well, my method, that may not be necessary for the final transition) [00:50] Or the base system from scratch [00:50] jjesse: more like night :P [00:50] Totally beats the pants off the Ubuntu announcement: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/IntrepidIbex/Alpha5/Kubuntu [00:50] NCommander: I'd think a goal of reducing fail to builds to zero would count [00:51] need more sexeh though [00:51] Riddell, thats my other goal, but I find making debdiffs anonying at best [00:51] * NCommander is working towards zero FTBFS in main, and less then 1% in universe [00:51] * JontheEchidna is afk for 15 or so mins [00:51] JontheEchidna: I demand screenie [00:52] knetstats depends on kicker; however: [00:52] Package kicker is not installed. [00:52] * apachelogger gets his laser screwdriver [00:52] * NCommander uses his sonic screwdriver on apachelogger [00:53] meh [00:53] EXTERMINATE! [00:53] Nightrose: my amarok just disappeared [00:54] oO [00:54] Riddell, to make that build count drop to zero is Soyuz having a NOT-FOR-US setting for packages on an arch [00:55] NCommander: I'm sure that would mean something to me if I hadn't had lots of posh champaigne at my brother's 30th [00:56] Riddell, NOT-FOR-US on Debian means that this architecture should never build this package. Sorta a poor-mans-version of P-a-s, but helpful for Ubuntu specific packages [00:56] Note that the one release thing isn't a rule, but a guideline (for MOTU) [00:56] ScottK, now someone tells me :-P [00:56] why not just have the package specify which arches it should build for [00:56] Riddell, depreiated on both Debian and Ubuntu in favor of P-a-s [00:57] ScottK, well, I may apply straight for core-dev at the end of the intrepid cycle vs going for MOTU. [00:57] ScottK, MOTU doesn't help much, almost all of my uploads go to main [00:59] It can be done, but it's unorthdox. [01:01] me only applied for UUC for the email address and getting his blog on Ubuntu Planet [01:01] ^/ [01:01] ScottK, well, the worst they can do is reject me [01:02] * apachelogger is wondering why knetstats doesn't go to tray [01:05] ScottK, well, generally speaking, if in general my uploads to universe are rather limited, do you feel that its worth applying for MOTU, and then waiting for core-dev, or just go for the end result [01:07] I don't, and neither do the tech board (based on the feeling from three years ago when this first came up) [01:11] http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/07/web20_for_developers/ - random aside [01:11] Riddell & ScottK, based on my current work, at the end of the intrepid or intrepid+1 cycle, would you consider sponsoring me for core-devship? [01:12] NCommander: are you going to update meta-kde? [01:12] I can [01:12] NCommander: at the end of intrepid yes [01:12] Is it in a bazaar repo, or can I just grab the source package [01:12] no bzr [01:13] Riddell, which team is it under? [01:13] apt-get source it [01:14] Roughly speaking, I assume I just need to fix the version numbers right? (I don't know off hand if any new packages need to be added) [01:14] ^ apachelogger [01:15] NCommander: kdeaddons would need to be removed as a dep [01:15] well [01:15] there are quite some changes necessary [01:15] * NCommander starts working on it [01:15] what JontheEchidna said [01:16] * NCommander first sees a major change w.r.t. to kde-core versioning [01:16] qt3-designer needs to be changed to libqt4-designer [01:16] arts stuff needs to get dropped [01:16] kdeplasma-addons should be add to kde [01:17] kde-i18n should be kde-l10n, but I don't even know where that package is from [01:17] doesn't exist at all :D [01:18] Done expect for the kde-i18n one [01:20] kdewebdev -> kdewebdev-kde4 [01:21] That one still -kde4? [01:21] yes, no quanta in kde4 yet [01:22] Ok [01:22] Works for me [01:22] All changes made [01:22] Testing installability [01:22] Riddell: would a KDE 3 profiling app work on KDE 4 apps? [01:22] depends on how it workesd [01:23] NCommander: kde-core needs to depend on kdebase, kdebase-runtime and kdebase-workspace instead of just kdebase [01:23] NCommander: libkonq4-dev -> libkonq5-dev [01:23] NCommander: kdelibs4* -> kdelibs5* [01:24] NCommander: Qt3's designer tool -> Qt 4's designer tool (in kde-devel) [01:24] (already got that last one) [01:25] + bump standards-version [01:25] that should be everything [01:25] Yeah [01:25] What's the tag for the same version [01:25] $source:Version, right? [01:25] depends [01:25] source:Version if revisions doesn't matter binary:Version if it does [01:25] This has kde (>= 4:48) [01:25] * ScottK doesn't really consider bumping standards version a particularly useful change. [01:25] Which is hacky [01:26] ScottK, lintian turns off some checks with lower standards versions [01:26] True. [01:26] NCommander: ${binary:Version} then [01:27] * JontheEchidna screenies update-notifier-kde [01:27] * ScottK has a look at kde4bindings. [01:27] \o/ [01:28] * NCommander has it done [01:28] yay for Riddell's screenshots! [01:28] I don't know how to make them links to the larger versions [01:29] * JontheEchidna doesn't either [01:29] Riddell, is this destined for the archive, or the KDE4 PPA? [01:29] Riddell: Any objections if I merge from Debian too as I look at KDE4 stuff? [01:29] http://www.kubuntu.org/news/intrepid-alpha-5 about to appear [01:30] Riddell: no worky [01:30] argh [01:30] Something isn't installable [01:30] Riddell: needs formatting [01:30] * NCommander figures out what [01:30] ScottK: no but we're long after the merge time so it's not much use exept extra work unless there's something that needs merged in [01:30] apachelogger: worky now [01:31] Well I'll at least look. [01:32] JontheEchidna: koffice needs triage, if you are bored some day [01:32] apachelogger: koffice2 or koffice1? [01:32] uno [01:32] * JontheEchidna keeps that in mind [01:33] apachelogger, you missed kdesdk [01:33] NCommander: missed? [01:34] well [01:34] err [01:34] kde-devel: Depends: kdesdk (>= 4:4.1.1) but it is not installable [01:34] Depends: kdebase-dev (>= 4:4.1.1) but it is not installable [01:34] Depends: libkonq5-dev (>= 4:4.1.1) but it is not installable [01:34] me@apoc { ~/src/deb/k/meta-kde-48 }$ apt-cache show kdesdk | grep Version [01:34] Version: 4:4.1.1-0ubuntu2 [01:34] NCommander: btw, -devel also needs to depend on kdebase-runtime-dev and kdebase-workspace-dev [01:35] mcasadevall@blacksteel:~/src$ apt-cache show kdepim | grep Version [01:35] Version: 4:4.1.1a-0ubuntu1 [01:35] * NCommander changes the control file to just require 4.1.0 [01:36] hm [01:36] 1a isn't > 1? [01:36] It doesn't seem so [01:37] me@apoc { ~/src/deb/koffice }$ dpkg --compare-versions 4:4.1.1 lt 4:4.1.1a; echo $? [01:37] 0 [01:37] NCommander: should be [01:37] I need to work out why this is uninstallable then :-/ [01:38] Riddell: http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/debdiffs/koffice_1.6.3-6ubuntu1_to_ubuntu2.diff [01:38] NCommander: please paste your current control file [01:38] apachelogger, http://paste.ubuntu.com/43774/ [01:39] NCommander: you can remove kde-i18n references [01:40] Keep kde-k10n references, right? [01:40] that package does't exist currently either [01:40] NCommander: -runtime -workspace from kde should go to kde-core [01:40] suggests aren't auto pulled in so it really doesn't break anything [01:41] yes, but they get suggested ;-) [01:41] libartsc0-dev (>= 1.5.5), libarts1-dev (>= 1.5.5), <--- should be removed [01:41] kdebase-runtime-dev (>= 4:4.1.1), kdebase-workspace-dev (>= 4:4.1.1) should go from suggests to depends [01:41] is bug 197404 really applicable anymore? [01:41] Launchpad bug 197404 in kubuntu-kde4-meta "Kubuntu-kde4 application integration" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/197404 [01:41] I put them under suggests? [01:42] NCommander: yes, they should be depends [01:42] Oops [01:42] My mistake [01:42] NCommander: I think the libarts thingies are causing the problem [01:42] Yeah [01:42] they probably depend kdelibs4-dev which has a file conflict with runtime currently [01:42] Ok, lets test it [01:44] aptitude likes it more, but still not installable [01:45] meh [01:45] JontheEchidna: btw, can you make some sweet pic for the alpha5 news [01:45] an app or something [01:45] uh [01:45] pastebinning it [01:45] apachelogger: koffice uploaded [01:45] any one in particular? [01:45] Riddell: thank you [01:45] JontheEchidna: no, just something fancy [01:45] Riddell, http://paste.ubuntu.com/43775/ [01:45] er, apachelogger [01:46] apachelogger: there's lots on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/IntrepidIbex/Alpha5/Kubuntu [01:46] feel free to add to the news page [01:46] I must to bed [01:46] NCommander: kdelibs -> kdelibs5 I guess [01:46] Riddell, koffice2 built! [01:46] Riddell: sleep tight [01:46] * JontheEchidna has something in mind [01:47] NCommander: awooga! thanks for that [01:47] I'm suprised it remained broken for so long [01:47] NCommander: it just takes so long to build (as I'm sure you've discovered) [01:47] 1 hour, 20 minutes here [01:47] Icrecream ftw! [01:47] That's why I uploaded it to the PPA for easy review [01:48] JontheEchidna: awesome what you did with the adept screenshots :D [01:48] apachelogger: you mean the update-notifier ones? [01:48] yus [01:49] k, Riddell did the adept one [01:49] apachelogger, still no love [01:49] NCommander: kde depends twice on kde-core [01:49] apachelogger, I caught that on my own and fixed it already [01:50] NCommander: -runtime and -workspace from kde should still go to kde-core :P [01:50] That was fixed too [01:50] .... center, panel, etc.) and important libraries and data, in addition to the [01:50] aRts soundserver. [01:50] er [01:50] NCommander: kill the "in addiotion..." [01:50] They were copied and pasted [01:50] Not cut [01:50] *addition [01:51] Wait [01:51] Think I found it [01:51] apachelogger, your not a core-dev, right? [01:52] NCommander: nope [01:52] Pity Riddell had to go to sleep [01:52] I think I fixed it [01:52] NCommander: Fixed what? [01:52] kde-meta [01:52] Well, its getting there [01:52] devel doesn't want to install [01:53] I'll be here for a while, so feel free to ping me if you have something worth uploading. [01:53] kdebase-workspace [01:53] O_O; [01:53] THat's not installable [01:53] (like actually not installable) [01:53] mcasadevall@blacksteel:~/src/meta-kde-48ubuntu1$ apt-cache search kdebase-workspace | grep Version [01:53] mcasadevall@blacksteel:~/src/meta-kde-48ubuntu1$ [01:53] apachelogger: kde4bindings has a file debian/control.fire. Do you know what that is? [01:53] NCommander: What arch? [01:54] amd64 [01:54] ScottK: Nope. [01:54] But its an arch all package O_O; [01:54] Hmmm. [01:54] * NCommander runs aptitiude upgrade for good measure [01:55] Very strange [01:55] Now it sees kdebase-workspace [01:55] but apt-cache doesn't show it [01:57] ScottK: if you have time http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/debdiffs/koffice-l10n_1.6.3-1ubuntu1_to_ubuntu2.diff [01:58] apachelogger: Link me again please. [01:58] ScottK-laptop: http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/debdiffs/koffice-l10n_1.6.3-1ubuntu1_to_ubuntu2.diff [01:59] apachelogger, ok, I got kde working, now just kde-devel doesn't work [01:59] NCommander: please repaste the current version [01:59] ohhh [01:59] more broken KDE 3 stuff -.- [02:00] apachelogger, http://pastebin.com/m31b8985 [02:00] NCommander: libartsc0-dev (>= 1.5.5) <-- remove [02:00] Crap [02:00] I did a search for all of them [02:01] apachelogger: What is the impact of this typo? It's a big upload for a small typo ... [02:01] ScottK-laptop: it will try installing the wrong package [02:01] apachelogger: Also, listinig the maintainer change in debian/changelog is no longer considered good practic. [02:01] OK. [02:01] and I think without kde-i18n koffice is not exactly 100% translated [02:01] ScottK, indi was fixed for all architectures ;-) [02:02] NCommander: Great. Thank you for fixing that. [02:02] NCommander: apparently runtime-dev doesn't exist at all [02:02] That means kdeedu should now work on all archs. [02:02] * NCommander zaps it from the install logs [02:02] er, ... [02:02] NCommander: remove kdebase-runtime-dev [02:02] then everything should be working [02:02] Ok, dead [02:03] You should get credit for this upload apachelogger, its yours if you want it [02:03] no, you did the work ;-) [02:03] aka [02:03] If it breaks, I get the blame [02:03] righto :P [02:03] apachelogger: Was there a bug for this? [02:04] nope, found it on ubuntuwire [02:04] ScottK-laptop: ^ [02:04] OK. Thanks. [02:04] ScottK-laptop, I've got meta-kde4 uploaded, I don't see a need to open a bug for it if your just going to directly upload it [02:04] (its a debian native package, so I can't give you a debdiff) [02:05] NCommander: Where? [02:05] To my PPA in a moment [02:05] Just confirming installability [02:05] Ok, it installs [02:05] uploading [02:06] apachelogger: Test building. [02:06] Man, KDE saw a lot of love tonight :-) [02:06] yeah, it did [02:07] ScottK, want me to tackle the bindings issue? [02:07] Thinking about where we started post-hardy, KDE saw a lot love ever since :D [02:07] NCommander: Nope. I'm working on it and I'd like to get at least one upload with my name on it. [02:07] * NCommander looks on the stats list on where Scott is [02:08] Been falling for that last few weeks. [02:08] Where's the page with all the lists of people's uploads [02:08] THe one that list who has what this cycle [02:08] NCommander: http://thc.emanuele-gentili.com/utu/utu_intrepid.php [02:09] Hmm, now that it's quieted down a bit, maybe I can ask again. :P Is bug 197404 still valid? [02:09] Launchpad bug 197404 in kubuntu-kde4-meta "Kubuntu-kde4 application integration" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/197404 [02:09] * apachelogger wants to note that jr gets a lot of uploads just because of the script apachelogger wrote for kde-l10n :P [02:09] :P [02:09] :-P [02:09] WOO, I've over fifth [02:09] *fifthy [02:09] ... 50! [02:09] * JontheEchidna is #45 [02:10] argh [02:10] YOur three ahead of me JontheEchidna [02:10] hehe [02:10] I also have to note that JontheEchidna is spending a lot of time for other stuff than packaging [02:10] * NCommander is too [02:10] like flooding my inbox [02:11] a lot [02:11] * apachelogger is getting pretty annoyed as well :P [02:11] ScottK, https://edge.launchpad.net/~sonicmctails/+archive [02:11] it's what you get for subscribing to all kde bugs [02:11] apachelogger, I did that to the backports team [02:11] :P [02:11] JontheEchidna: still valid [02:11] Not every day you get to justifiably send 70-80ish emails [02:11] :) [02:12]