[00:00] jhutchins_wk: ok, it says appendable data cd-r === wilma is now known as wilma_ [00:02] jhutchins_wk: hmm, i tried another cd (i've had this problem for awhile but haven't had time/need to address it until now) and it gives the same error when I click it, but k3b recognizes it as empty [00:02] Ah, you've written to that one then. Might be formatted for a packet writing driver. [00:02] I gotta get out of here, I may be on later. [00:02] jhutchins_wk: A week ago when this came up I tried about 4 cd's and none worked so I don't know why this one is special or what changed since then [00:04] your luck changed [00:04] how can I create an ISO with k3b? It generates a .img file === angel_ is now known as senom [00:08] <_2> exit [00:11] <_2> what's the k app for digital cameras ? [00:11] _2: digikam I think [00:12] <_2> powertool08 ummm still photo camera [00:12] <_2> !digikam [00:12] Sorry, I don't know anything about digikam [00:12] <_2> !info digikam [00:12] digikam (source: digikam): digital photo management application for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 2:0.9.3-2ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 6890 kB, installed size 21928 kB [00:12] <_2> ok i'll give it a shot [00:14] <_2> before i always just mounted /dev/sda /mnt and copied/moved the photos... new camera doesn't have disk mode [00:16] <_2> cheep peace of junk ! [00:17] hmm, I've never used it [00:37] hi, guys! How to convert avi to ogg with mencoder or whatever? [00:41] chisiyuan: http://ubuntuswitch.wordpress.com/2007/10/05/howto-convert-ogg-to-avi-with-mencoder/ [00:42] chisiyuan: That goes from ogg -> avi so you'll have to change the parameters alittle [00:44] yes, thx powertool 08! [00:44] np [01:02] Hello all [01:03] hello darkshinigami [01:03] In Kopete, Yahoo doesn't reconnect like before. Any ideas of what is happening to Kopete? How can I make Kopete reconnect Yahoo? [01:03] Hello chisiyuan [01:13] (my problem seems solved, a problem with /etc/acpi/events/asus-mail in fact... if someone else asks...) === arkara_ is now known as arkara [01:47] <_2> so either no one uses kubuntu or no one has issues with kubuntu that arent kde4/compiz related ? [01:48] <_2> or maybe agent bob ran everyone off from this channel ? [01:50] <_2> he's such a jerk these days. [01:52] For any and all using Kopete, how can I get Yahoo to auto-reconnect? [01:54] <_2> DarkShinigami i'm not ignoring you. i just don't use kopete and don't know. [01:54] <_2> so you know someone heard you ^ ;/ [01:55] _2: I'm not addressing you or any other person in particular. That is why I am throwing it out there for "any and all using Kopete" [01:55] Ok === jdiclo is now known as Witch [01:56] Thanks for hearing me :) === Witch is now known as justalone [01:56] hi! [01:56] hi [01:57] DarkShinigami- I haven't had that problem with 0.50, but you can try asking in #kopete [01:58] Dragnslcr: Installed: 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy1 [02:00] <_2> :) [02:00] I've been using KDE4 for a little while, so I can't really test it for you, but I don't especially remember it being a problem [02:00] hello powertool08 [02:01] hi DarkShinigami === _2 is now known as intelikey [02:14] and who knows if the twin is a fool for wisdom or if justice has any children === user_ is now known as genii [02:19] hello [02:19] i got grub error 2 [02:19] what do i do ? === root is now known as Guest74046 [02:19] Ok, how do I reset password pd wallet? [02:19] pd -> on [02:20] root is as root does [02:20] how do i fix my grub ? [02:20] ubuntu_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3456617 [02:20] looks like you have to reinstall grub [02:20] !grub > ubuntu_ [02:20] ubuntu_, please see my private message [02:21] * genii hands intelikey a coffee [02:21] genii not in kcontorl ? [02:21] ubuntu_: another post says: My only resolution was to edit the grub boot line (during boot time: I think you press E) and try different drives (hd0,0, hd1,0) etc. until I got the one that worked. [02:22] ubuntu_: so i'd double check your partition info in /boot/grub/menu.lst [02:22] * intelikey slides genii crap you beet me to it.... i lag [02:23] :) [02:23] question [02:23] jai une question [02:23] intelikey: My buddy has probs loggin into kopete because at some point someone put a password for kwallet and now no one knows what it is anymore [02:24] il font des jeux en ligne linux des jeux de guerre stratégie ils font? [02:24] powertool08 grub shell has find [02:24] intelikey: ? to find the file or to find the right partitions? [02:25] genii ah. ummm rm ~/.kde/share/..... something to reset it ? find ~/.kde -iname '*wall*' === root is now known as Guest79166 [02:26] intelikey: Looking now .... [02:27] powertool08 helps with both [02:28] powertool08 trial and error root (hd0,0) 0,1... will give enough information to see what the fs is but not if it is the fs you have your root install on. thus find vmlinuz helps with that [02:29] intelikey: it was actually ubuntu_ with the problem [02:29] genii ever see jucato around here anymore ? he would know what file... [02:30] intelikey: Nah, I'm not on much lately unfortunately ..... [02:31] powertool08 yeah but you were helping him, i just mentioned it incase you wanted to pass it on to him. wasn't trying to 'but in' [02:31] intelikey: I don't mind if you but in, but thanks for thinking of it === _2 is now known as intelikey [02:36] oops. [02:36] intelikey: I have jucato on Y!, but he's idle [02:36] DarkShinigami k it's still early for hime [02:36] him [02:37] It's been a long time since him and I talked. I don't even know the time difference from him and I === root is now known as Guest89099 [02:38] he's gmt+8 iirc [02:38] hi, I just installed kubuntu-8.04 from dvd, disabled grub during the installation, and put in my current grub.conf: [02:38] title Kubuntu-8.04 [02:38] root (hd2,4) [02:38] kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-16-generic root=/dev/hdc5 vga=0x317 [02:38] but it cannot boot, just block, with caps lock scroll lock flashing [02:39] volty you have three hdds there ? [02:39] yes [02:39] windows, gentoo, and now trying kubuntu [02:40] Going from windows to gentoo.. is a bit learning experience. :) [02:40] quite :) [02:40] Testing out the latest Sabayon later today [02:41] volty and does bios do any fancy disk manipulation ? "boot from hdc maybe ?" [02:41] Hello for all [02:42] I have a kubuntu iso image, now, I'm using the Ubuntu, how I can install the packages of the kubuntu in the ubuntu using the files in the iso image ? [02:42] intelikey: should be ok, gentoo boots from the same disk on extended partition [02:42] hi all [02:42] volty and does bios do any fancy disk manipulation ? "boot from hdc maybe ?" === ubuntu_ is now known as WaSte [02:42] denisbr: you have to mount that iso === WaSte is now known as WasTE[bRe] [02:43] volty grub sees the disk which bios is booting as hd0 reguardless of where it is. [02:43] volty, ok, anymore ? I need to configure the source.list ? [02:43] is it posibile to instal kubuntu while i have instaled windows [to use lilo boot loader at boot screen to choose betwean windows and kubuntu]?? [02:43] denisbr google howto mount iso [02:43] denisbr, you would be better off just using the package manager to download/install the kubuntu stuff. due to updates that may been released after the iso was made [02:43] more literally grub uses bios to read in files/boot the os [02:44] is it posibile to instal kubuntu while i have instaled windows [to use lilo boot loader at boot screen to choose betwean windows and kubuntu]?? [02:44] dr_willis, I can't to use my image iso ? [02:44] intelikey: i have my own [self] imposed limits [02:44] volty suit your self. i tried. [02:45] denisbr, it may be out of date on a lot of packages.. so they will get grabbed from the internet anyway.. I was thinking only the ALTERNATIVE install cd. could be used as a 'source' to update from. [02:45] is it posibile to instal kubuntu while i have instaled windows [to use lilo boot loader at boot screen to choose betwean windows and kubuntu]?? [02:45] !iso [02:45] To mount an ISO disc image, type « sudo mount -o loop » - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning. [02:45] WasTE[bRe], normally when ubuntu installs it installs GRUB (lilo is a bit out of date and rarely used) that makes a boot meny for you to use [02:45] WasTE[bRe] yes [02:46] yup but when i try to install kubtnu says need to format whole hdd [02:46] intelikey: the only thing I can try is kernel (hd2,4)/boot/... syntax, if gentoo's vmlinuz boots that way this should too [02:46] WasTE[bRe] ubuntu defaults to grub but you can use lilo if you need a more powerful boot loader [02:46] dr_willis: i disabled that during installation, I already have my grub.conf [02:47] WasTE[bRe], defrag, scandisk, and tell the installer to resize the drive.. OR use the gparted live cd. to resize windows manually and leave some unallocated space . resboot the ubuntu installer and tell it to use the unallocated space. [02:48] i made 2 disks, linux swap 512 mb, and ext3 partioton with 10gb for slackware, i was using slackware [02:48] i want on that 10gb to instal kubuntu, how? [02:48] You can tell the installer/partitioner to install there. if you know what you are doing and where the partition is at. [02:49] it has a manual/automatic/custome/ option i recall. You just need to mount the 10gb to / in the installer [02:49] and it will want to reformat the 10gb partition [02:49] why are hdd's always to small ? [02:49] 10gb wouldent cover my Wallpaper collection. ;) [02:49] :D [02:50] ok ill try to intall linux now [02:50] tel u stap by stap whan the installer says :D [02:50] or alternatively.. delete all the parttions you dont 'want' swap/the 10gb or whatever.. and leave the part of the drive unallocated.. and tell the installer to use the UNALLOCATED space.. (easiest way) [02:50] it pays to 'read and think' about what the installer is asking. :) [02:50] ok i will [02:50] so to destry partiton? [02:50] and left unlocated space [02:51] i always use the gparted live cd's thats in my pc toolbox. :) [02:51] you could run gparted from the livecd i think. (or install it , then run it from live cd) [02:51] ok wish me luck guys, if u see the sky in whitte my comp bloows up :D [02:52] not the best way if the partition numbers changing will affect anything else. ^ [02:52] ok, i try to install chrome (just for try) and i follow the steps of the forums http://www.myscienceisbetter.info/2008/09/install-google-chrome-on-linux-using-wine.html, but when i try to open the .exe, nothing happens (either on the konsole) [02:53] I dont see chrome being that big a deal at this time. so its a mimimilist type browser.. yea.. so... :) [02:54] it's just for try...; i don't like google either xD, but i see it everywhere! [02:54] there will come rabbits out of that hat (chrome) [02:54] dillo [02:54] I just fullscreen firefox and be done with it [02:55] what handles, how it handles, do not underestimate google [02:55] dillo dillo dillo graphical web browser of minimalests everwhere [02:55] it seems i missed the initrd line [02:57] "underestimate google" heh impossable! === fernando is now known as Guest8501 [02:58] what's that root=UUID= in grub's kernel line? [02:59] blkid [03:00] volty command blkid should list all file system unique identifiers [03:01] thx [03:03] going to try [03:07] i destryed 2 partitions and maked unlocated space, but lilo loader [from slackware] left on MBR, how to remove it? [03:07] intelikey: thx, all ok [03:07] i destryed 2 partitions and maked unlocated space, but lilo loader [from slackware] left on MBR, how to remove it? [03:08] volty i think maybe we are a lot alike when we start fixing a system, "by grabs! don't bother me with details and questions, just give me the information i asked for, and don't even try to tell me it's not the right way to do it! i'll either learn that for myself, or prove you wrong anyway. by grabs!" ;/ and if two of us try to talk to each other the fur flies... [03:08] volty welcome [03:09] u right :) [03:09] WasTe[Bre] installing a new boot loader will take care of the MBR [03:10] WasTe[Bre] installing kubuntu will by default install grub [03:10] !grub [03:10] grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto [03:10] i installed kubuntu on a clients pc and liked it, iḿ getting bit sick of gentoo so I'll try kubuntu for some time [03:10] the one who says to destrtoy partitins and left unlocated space so i can instale kbuntu on them was right! thnx [03:12] one thing: i think i installed right (chrome) even is the menu in Wine>Programas, but says starting... and does not open ? [03:12] its cool ubuntu is installing and am ircing :d [03:12] ubottu: i have done it with a cd, just grub on it you manually boot the first time then reinstall once booted [03:12] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [03:13] volty i really like *buntu linux after you get done configuring it and installing the apps you want, removing the ones you don't and get everything setup to suit yourself.... of course then it's not really ubuntu anymore it's your own personal linux. which is what linux is all about anyway. "default is only the starting point on the long road to right" [03:13] It's possible install the KDe 4 in the Ubuntu 8.04 ? [03:15] denisbr: see the topic of #kubuntu-kde4 [03:15] !kde4 | denisbr [03:15] denisbr: KDE 4.1.0 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. Packages can be found at http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.1 - Support in #kubuntu-kde4 [03:15] stdin, intelikey thanks === root is now known as Guest91396 [03:16] stdin :) [03:17] i was lagging about 70 seconds. caught up for a minute now. [03:18] stdin what you working on now ? [03:19] just some random stuff :) [03:19] i am instaling kubuntu verzion 7.10 how to upgrade it to 8.04? [03:19] * intelikey likes random stuff :) [03:19] !upgrade | WasTe[Bre] [03:19] WasTe[Bre]: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes [03:19] thnx [03:20] WasTe[Bre] you'll be better off installing from the 8.4 cd's [03:20] if you have the bandwidth [03:20] the upgrade to 8.04 went smoothly when I tried on my PCs [03:20] yup [03:21] failed to install cd has some error on it :d [03:21] failed at 50% [03:21] * intelikey has yet to see a "smooth" upgrade... [03:21] so ill download 8.04 with kde4 [03:21] kde4 remix [03:22] what is kde4 remix? [03:22] you'll be better off getting the normal kubuntu (8.04.1) CD and install kde4 in there [03:22] get the iso with "remix" in the title [03:22] oh stdin may know something i don't [03:22] i'll defer to his advice on that [03:23] the remix isn't our best bit of work ;) [03:23] if i wait for a cd ill wats for 15 days [03:23] i mighy die tomorrow :D [03:23] stdin ah i see. [03:23] so what choice? [03:23] WasTe[Bre] if you do none of this will have been important anyway [03:24] what to download? [03:24] :D === santiago-php is now known as santiago-ve [03:27] death has a way of making computers growsely unimportant. [03:28] mr---t- who we be ? [03:28] we ? [03:28] :) [03:28] how are you today ? [03:29] great like tony the tiger without the stripes [03:29] :) [03:29] * intelikey cuts a switch and adds stripes [03:30] what do you know about konversation? [03:30] de nada [03:30] i think i looked at it one time. [03:30] k [03:31] which donkey client you suggest ? === s-n-g is now known as SNG-BurnHell [03:31] ml [03:31] I made a change to my program but it doesn't seem to work right [03:32] !info kmldonkey [03:32] kmldonkey (source: kmldonkey): KDE GUI for MLDonkey. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.10.1-3ubuntu4 (hardy), package size 887 kB, installed size 3000 kB [03:32] i tried it and liked it [03:33] !info gkrellm-mldonkey | i didn't know about this... [03:33] i didn't know about this...: gkrellm-mldonkey (source: gkremldk): mldonkey plugin for gkrellm2. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.7-2 (hardy), package size 15 kB, installed size 84 kB [03:34] * mr---t- wonders what's a donkey? [03:34] an ass [03:34] :-D [03:35] wait, you set me up didn't you [03:35] i've been framed! [03:35] maybe? [03:35] it's mr---t-'s fault [03:35] here it says reboot required (after adept updater) - windoz like - i can do it later no ? [03:36] you can. only reason to reboot is kernel/module updates [03:36] while the other apps (not the running ones) got already replaced ? [03:38] volty correct [03:38] some of you tried to enable other protocols in mldonkey ? do they work [03:38] i don't have the band width for it. [03:38] i'm on dialup [03:38] ;/ [03:40] i'm so far back in the sticks we have to pipe in sunlight, i mean so far back that there aint nothing behind us. so far back that if you ever find the middle of nowhere, you're still 50 miles from us... [03:41] are you in afghanistan ? [03:41] well not exactly but close [03:42] your whole country is only the size of new jersey lol [03:42] that's ok cause i don't exist, therefore i don't take up much room [03:43] then stop riding the edonkeys [03:43] * intelikey looks for that switch he cut eariler [03:44] /ok ok [03:44] isn't new your a suburb of new jersey ? [03:44] york [03:45] washington dc ? [03:45] no it's a different country [03:46] hey I'm an upstater, we don't even claim the city folk up here [03:46] new york a suburb of new jersey [03:46] ahh, with a dialup [03:46] we call them tourons, half tourist half moron [03:47] i heard they had a special word for that,,, poon ? [03:48] maybe i'm on the wrong cost for that... [03:48] careful were in danger of being too far ot [03:48] i'll get on topic as soon as a topic shows up.... [03:49] you couldn't help me with my konversation problems so I [03:49] * intelikey never was one to "look busy for the boss, when there was nothing to do..." [03:49] ,ran out of problems [03:49] oh yeah. konvo... lets see. what was the issue ? [03:49] you never did say [03:50] Jucato gave a line or two to modify so that I could get double spacing in the client window' but it doesn't work quite right [03:51] I have,nt seen him in here since I got it working [03:51] well what do you expect, he's the network guru... === root is now known as Guest36257 [03:52] you have the lines he gave ? [03:52] this was my first compile and first program change in linux [03:53] mr---t-: you need to include these lines under the [Appearance] group of your konversationrc file: "UseParagraphSpacing=true" and "ParagraphSpacing=20" (without the quotes. you'll have to experiment with the paragraphs spacing value) [03:54] ok let me play with that a minute. [03:54] when people speak slowly it works great, but the faster they speak the closer the lines get together [03:54] i really like this a breeze to install apps and cli tells you how to get it if not present [03:55] I'm konverted [03:55] hi folks [03:55] tar cant unpack all .gz files in curent folder? [03:56] !tar [03:56] Files with extensions .tar, .gz, .tgz, .zip, .bz2, .7z, .ace and other archive file formats can be opened with ark - also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression [03:57] mr---t-: its in command line [03:58] afeijo: i think you should restate your question [03:58] volty: ok... [03:59] I use wget to download several .gz files to update modules (php stuff) [03:59] it would be easier if I could use one single tar command to unpack all [03:59] curently I do 2 commands, wget than the tar to the same file [04:00] for f in *.gz; do tar .... $f; done [04:00] oh thanks [04:00] I was thinking in a loop command, but never used in shell [04:00] yuch it defaults to * on white. [04:01] mr---t-: give a few lines quick [04:01] testing [04:01] what [04:01] lines of nothing [04:01] yes [04:01] or something [04:01] !bot [04:01] volty: can for in be recursive? like for -r in *.gz ? [04:01] Hi! I'm #kubuntu's favorite infobot, you can search my brain yourself at http://tinyurl.com/5zfb6t - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots [04:01] what are we testing? bobo [04:02] sorry bob [04:02] 4.1.1 is out [04:02] sweet [04:02] your konversation settings [04:02] i'm not seeing what you described. is it kde4 ? [04:03] afeijo: no, but you can do it with find, another one is to launch tar with all files together tar ... `ls *.gz` [04:03] mr---t- ? [04:03] konversation rcl [04:03] is it kde4 ? [04:03] no [04:04] k [04:04] the final upgrade to 3.59 [04:04] bob the spacing I used was 40 not 20 [04:05] he said to experiment to get the spacing I was looking for [04:07] did you see my last post bob? [04:07] volty: to use 2 commands in the for, its (tar ... $f; rm $f) ? [04:08] Agent_bob: did you see my last post? [04:08] yeah i'm still here. [04:08] :) [04:08] i tested 20 and 30 so far [04:08] yes, btw, recursive like: tar ... `find `, or for f in `find *.gz`; do ... ; done [04:09] afeijo: type 'help for' at the prompt [04:10] nice, got it [04:10] Im reading find help to make it get subfolders [04:10] find . -iname '*.gz' -exec tar -args_here '{}' \; [04:10] volty ^ [04:11] yap, used it whole my life :) , to remove thumbnails after wget-tting nice galleries [04:11] that will work with name with spaces or even with newlines where the for loop wont [04:11] find is powerful [04:12] well i should have said your unmodified for loop wouldn't it can too. [04:12] intelikey: = Agent_bob ? [04:12] yeah [04:13] Agent_bob: = _2 ? [04:13] that too or should i say that _2 [04:13] why the aliases, too many x wives? [04:13] those settings don't affect my konversation. sorry i wont be of any help there. [04:14] heh. no. too many x lives [04:14] suggest a nice interface for starting / stopping stuff in /etc/init.d ? [04:14] you have to be on the rcl version [04:15] mr---t- that's what you meant by rcl ^ up there. i was busy and let that slip by [04:15] ok. well i gave it a shot tho. [04:15] * intelikey awards self e for effort. [04:15] Yeah I had to get it as a binary and compile it [04:15] "get it as a binary and compile it" ??? [04:15] :) [04:15] you mean source ? [04:16] yeah [04:16] :) [04:16] my bad [04:16] sorry I got _2 on my mind for some reason :-) [04:17] thanks for trying anyway [04:17] volty update-rc.d ??? [04:17] volty you mean a gui ? there is one. [04:18] if you mean cli then we normally just use the /etc/init.d/scriptname start|stop|restop [04:18] start-stop-daemon is another way [04:19] !services [04:19] Sorry, I don't know anything about services [04:19] bot is so ignorant [04:19] !service [04:19] Sorry, I don't know anything about service [04:20] thanks ubottu [04:20] intelikey: yes, a gui [04:20] or better an applet [04:21] applet i doubt. but ctrl+alt+esc might get you there [04:21] ksysguard [04:22] there is a wedget or applet or kcm blah blah thingy in system settings i think. but it doesn't list all services. [04:23] volty any of that help ya any ? [04:23] thx, i need something very simple, i'm going to do it myself, not an applet but small box [04:23] just to stop a group of services sometimes [04:24] afeijo find is recursive by default. [04:24] i could do it with levels no ? [04:24] yeah you could. update-rc.d would be a key in that. [04:24] never mind [04:25] runlevels 2-5 are all == in ubuntu default setup [04:25] bit tired, when i'm not tired i read docs and google, when tired i come to irc channels :)) [04:25] intelikey: wierd, I just type "find partfilename" and it dont find, only if I'm in the file dir [04:26] afeijo: it start from a folders downwards [04:26] afeijo find . -iname '*part_file.name*' [04:27] afeijo find / -iname '*part_file.name*' # <<< search the entire computer [04:27] 'find . -iname sql' found no file [04:27] but no error returned [04:28] afeijo you can combine tests in find they default to -a (and) [04:28] there is a file named sql exactly ? [04:28] afeijo so there are no dirs nor files named sql === bewofthe is now known as cuznt [04:28] intelikey: I have a lot of files with sql as part of the name [04:29] afeijo: find a rest :) [04:29] so do what i said and stop correcting it. find . -iname '*sql*' [04:29] if i had meant leave out '* *' i wouldn't have put them in there [04:29] intelikey: oh thats it! thanks [04:30] he´ s just tired [04:30] yes I am, 0h30 here and I'm just back from a BBQ :) [04:32] uh hi [04:32] hallo [04:32] so [04:32] does anyone realize kde4.1.1 has a mysql dependency? [04:32] *blink* [04:32] what the hell? [04:32] afeijo if you want a literal * (which linux can have in file names) then escape it with \ fine . -name 'blah\*blah' # or even find . -name '*\**' # finds all files and dirs with * in their name # find . -type d -name '*\**' # finds all dirs with * in their name.... [04:33] very powerfull the find cmd! [04:33] holycow i think the 3. meta package does too kde [04:34] afeijo if you need the output of find quoted, it can do that too. :) [04:34] i don't get it tho ... why? [04:35] intelikey: got it, thanks!! [04:35] why what ? sql ? so many apps need storage [04:35] find . -type f -printf '{}' \; # that will give single quoted file names. [04:35] uh no [04:35] how can I upgrade from kde 3.x to 4? [04:35] also kde could benefit storing all the attributes there [04:35] its called the file system [04:35] why would anyone store anything in an rdbm when the file system is right there? [04:35] !kde4 | concernedcitizen [04:35] concernedcitizen: KDE 4.1.0 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. Packages can be found at http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.1 - Support in #kubuntu-kde4 [04:36] it's faster [04:36] uh no [04:36] just stop [04:36]