[00:00] <powertool08> jhutchins_wk: ok, it says appendable data cd-r
[00:02] <powertool08> jhutchins_wk: hmm, i tried another cd (i've had this problem for awhile but haven't had time/need to address it until now) and it gives the same error when I click it, but k3b recognizes it as empty
[00:02] <jhutchins_wk> Ah, you've written to that one then.  Might be formatted for a packet writing driver.
[00:02] <jhutchins_wk> I gotta get out of here, I may be on later.
[00:02] <powertool08> jhutchins_wk: A week ago when this came up I tried about 4 cd's and none worked so I don't know why this one is special or what changed since then
[00:04] <gx009> your luck changed
[00:04] <Schuenemann> how can I create an ISO with k3b? It generates a .img file
[00:08] <_2> exit
[00:11] <_2> what's the k app for digital cameras ?
[00:11] <powertool08> _2: digikam I think
[00:12] <_2> powertool08 ummm still photo camera
[00:12] <_2> !digikam
[00:12] <_2> !info digikam
[00:12] <_2> ok i'll give it a shot
[00:14] <_2> before i always just mounted /dev/sda /mnt and copied/moved the photos... new camera doesn't have disk mode
[00:16] <_2> cheep peace of junk !
[00:17] <powertool08> hmm, I've never used it
[00:37] <chisiyuan> hi, guys! How to convert avi to ogg with mencoder or whatever?
[00:41] <powertool08> chisiyuan: http://ubuntuswitch.wordpress.com/2007/10/05/howto-convert-ogg-to-avi-with-mencoder/
[00:42] <powertool08> chisiyuan: That goes from ogg -> avi so you'll have to change the parameters alittle
[00:44] <chisiyuan> yes, thx powertool 08!
[00:44] <powertool08> np
[01:02] <DarkShinigami> Hello all
[01:03] <chisiyuan> hello darkshinigami
[01:03] <DarkShinigami> In Kopete, Yahoo doesn't reconnect like before. Any ideas of what is happening to Kopete? How can I make Kopete reconnect Yahoo?
[01:03] <DarkShinigami> Hello chisiyuan
[01:13] <ddmdllt> (my problem seems solved, a problem with /etc/acpi/events/asus-mail in fact... if someone else asks...)
[01:47] <_2> so either no one uses kubuntu or no one has issues with kubuntu that arent kde4/compiz related    ?
[01:48] <_2> or maybe agent bob ran everyone off from this channel ?
[01:50] <_2> he's such a jerk these days.
[01:52] <DarkShinigami> For any and all using Kopete, how can I get Yahoo to auto-reconnect?
[01:54] <_2> DarkShinigami i'm not ignoring you.  i just don't use kopete and don't know.
[01:54] <_2> so you know someone heard you   ^    ;/
[01:55] <DarkShinigami> _2: I'm not addressing you or any other person in particular. That is why I am throwing it out there for "any and all using Kopete"
[01:55] <DarkShinigami> Ok
[01:56] <DarkShinigami> Thanks for hearing me :)
[01:56] <justalone> hi!
[01:56] <powertool08> hi
[01:57] <Dragnslcr> DarkShinigami- I haven't had that problem with 0.50, but you can try asking in #kopete
[01:58] <DarkShinigami> Dragnslcr: Installed: 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy1
[02:00] <_2> :)
[02:00] <Dragnslcr> I've been using KDE4 for a little while, so I can't really test it for you, but I don't especially remember it being a problem
[02:00] <DarkShinigami> hello powertool08
[02:01] <powertool08> hi DarkShinigami
[02:14] <intelikey> and who knows if the twin is a fool for wisdom or if justice has any children
[02:19] <ubuntu_> hello
[02:19] <ubuntu_> i got grub error 2
[02:19] <ubuntu_> what do i do ?
[02:19] <genii> Ok, how do I reset password pd wallet?
[02:19] <genii> pd -> on
[02:20] <intelikey> root is as root does
[02:20] <ubuntu_> how do i fix my grub ?
[02:20] <powertool08> ubuntu_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3456617
[02:20] <powertool08> looks like you have to reinstall grub
[02:20] <intelikey> !grub > ubuntu_
[02:21]  * genii hands intelikey a coffee
[02:21] <intelikey> genii not in kcontorl ?
[02:21] <powertool08> ubuntu_: another post says: My only resolution was to edit the grub boot line (during boot time: I think you press E) and try different drives (hd0,0, hd1,0) etc. until I got the one that worked.
[02:22] <powertool08> ubuntu_: so i'd double check your partition info in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[02:22]  * intelikey slides genii crap you beet me to it.... i lag
[02:23] <intelikey> :)
[02:23] <garthounet> question
[02:23] <garthounet> jai une question
[02:23] <genii> intelikey: My buddy has probs loggin into kopete because at some point someone put a password for kwallet and now no one knows what it is anymore
[02:24] <garthounet> il font des jeux en ligne linux des jeux de guerre stratégie ils font?
[02:24] <intelikey> powertool08 grub shell has find
[02:24] <powertool08> intelikey: ? to find the file or to find the right partitions?
[02:25] <intelikey> genii ah.   ummm rm ~/.kde/share/..... something to reset it ?     find ~/.kde -iname '*wall*'
[02:26] <genii> intelikey: Looking now ....
[02:27] <intelikey> powertool08 helps with both
[02:28] <intelikey> powertool08 trial and error     root (hd0,0)    0,1... will give enough information to see what the fs is  but not if it is the fs you have your root install on.  thus find vmlinuz  helps with that
[02:29] <powertool08> intelikey: it was actually ubuntu_ with the problem
[02:29] <intelikey> genii ever see jucato around here anymore ?   he would know what file...
[02:30] <genii> intelikey: Nah, I'm not on much lately unfortunately .....
[02:31] <intelikey> powertool08 yeah but you were helping him, i just mentioned it incase you wanted to pass it on to him.   wasn't trying to 'but in'
[02:31] <powertool08> intelikey: I don't mind if you but in, but thanks for thinking of it
[02:36] <intelikey> oops.
[02:36] <DarkShinigami> intelikey: I have jucato on Y!, but he's idle
[02:36] <intelikey> DarkShinigami k   it's still early for hime
[02:36] <intelikey> him
[02:37] <DarkShinigami> It's been a long time since him and I talked. I don't even know the time difference from him and I
[02:38] <intelikey> he's gmt+8 iirc
[02:38] <volty> hi, I just installed kubuntu-8.04 from dvd, disabled grub during the installation, and put in my current grub.conf:
[02:38] <volty> title Kubuntu-8.04
[02:38] <volty>   root (hd2,4)
[02:38] <volty>   kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-16-generic root=/dev/hdc5 vga=0x317
[02:38] <volty> but it cannot boot, just block, with caps lock scroll lock flashing
[02:39] <intelikey> volty you have three hdds there ?
[02:39] <volty> yes
[02:39] <volty> windows, gentoo, and now trying kubuntu
[02:40] <dr_willis> Going from windows to gentoo.. is a bit learning experience. :)
[02:40] <volty> quite :)
[02:40] <dr_willis> Testing out the latest Sabayon later today
[02:41] <intelikey> volty and does bios do any fancy disk manipulation ?     "boot from hdc maybe ?"
[02:41] <denisbr> Hello for all
[02:42] <denisbr> I have a kubuntu iso image, now, I'm using the Ubuntu, how I can install the packages of the kubuntu in the ubuntu using the files in the iso image ?
[02:42] <volty> intelikey: should be ok, gentoo boots from the same disk on extended partition
[02:42] <ubuntu_> hi all
[02:42] <intelikey> volty and does bios do any fancy disk manipulation ?     "boot from hdc maybe ?"
[02:42] <volty> denisbr: you have to mount that iso
[02:43] <intelikey> volty grub sees the disk which bios is booting as hd0   reguardless of where it is.
[02:43] <denisbr> volty, ok, anymore ? I need to configure the source.list ?
[02:43] <WasTE[bRe]> is it posibile to instal kubuntu while i have instaled windows [to use lilo boot loader at boot screen to choose betwean windows and kubuntu]??
[02:43] <volty> denisbr google howto mount iso
[02:43] <dr_willis> denisbr,  you would be better off just using the package manager to download/install the kubuntu stuff. due to updates that may been released after the iso  was made
[02:43] <intelikey> more literally grub uses bios to read in files/boot the os
[02:44] <WasTE[bRe]> is it posibile to instal kubuntu while i have instaled windows [to use lilo boot loader at boot screen to choose betwean windows and kubuntu]??
[02:44] <denisbr> dr_willis, I can't to use my image iso ?
[02:44] <volty> intelikey: i have my own [self] imposed limits
[02:44] <intelikey> volty suit your self.  i tried.
[02:45] <dr_willis> denisbr,  it may be out of date on a lot of packages.. so they will get grabbed from the internet anyway..  I was thinking only the ALTERNATIVE install cd. could be used as a 'source' to update from.
[02:45] <WasTE[bRe]> is it posibile to instal kubuntu while i have instaled windows [to use lilo boot loader at boot screen to choose betwean windows and kubuntu]??
[02:45] <dr_willis> !iso
[02:45] <dr_willis> WasTE[bRe],  normally when ubuntu installs it installs GRUB (lilo is a bit out of date and rarely used)  that makes a boot meny for you to use
[02:45] <intelikey> WasTE[bRe] yes
[02:46] <WasTE[bRe]> yup but when i try to install kubtnu says need to format whole hdd
[02:46] <volty> intelikey: the only thing I can try is kernel (hd2,4)/boot/... syntax, if gentoo's vmlinuz boots that way this should too
[02:46] <intelikey> WasTE[bRe] ubuntu defaults to grub   but you can use lilo if you need a more powerful boot loader
[02:46] <volty> dr_willis: i disabled that during installation, I already have my grub.conf
[02:47] <dr_willis> WasTE[bRe],  defrag, scandisk, and tell the installer to resize the drive.. OR use the gparted live cd. to resize windows manually and  leave some unallocated space . resboot the ubuntu installer and tell it to use the unallocated space.
[02:48] <WasTE[bRe]> i made 2 disks, linux swap 512 mb, and ext3 partioton with 10gb for slackware, i was using slackware
[02:48] <WasTE[bRe]> i want on that 10gb to instal kubuntu, how?
[02:48] <dr_willis> You can tell the installer/partitioner to install there. if you know what you are doing and where the partition is at.
[02:49] <dr_willis> it has a manual/automatic/custome/ option i recall. You just need to mount the 10gb to / in the installer
[02:49] <dr_willis> and it will want to reformat the 10gb partition
[02:49] <intelikey> why are hdd's always to small  ?
[02:49] <dr_willis> 10gb wouldent cover my Wallpaper collection. ;)
[02:49] <WasTE[bRe]> :D
[02:50] <WasTE[bRe]> ok ill try to intall linux now
[02:50] <WasTE[bRe]> tel u stap by stap whan the installer says :D
[02:50] <dr_willis> or alternatively.. delete all the parttions you dont 'want' swap/the 10gb or whatever.. and leave the part of the drive unallocated.. and tell the installer to use the UNALLOCATED space.. (easiest way)
[02:50] <dr_willis> it pays to 'read and think' about what the installer is asking. :)
[02:50] <WasTE[bRe]> ok i will
[02:50] <WasTE[bRe]> so to destry partiton?
[02:50] <WasTE[bRe]> and left unlocated space
[02:51] <dr_willis> i always use the gparted live cd's thats in my pc toolbox. :)
[02:51] <dr_willis> you could run gparted from the livecd i think. (or install it , then run it from live cd)
[02:51] <WasTE[bRe]> ok wish me luck guys, if u see the sky in whitte my comp bloows up :D
[02:52] <intelikey> not the best way if the partition numbers changing will affect anything else.   ^
[02:52] <gnomo> ok, i try to install chrome (just for try) and i follow the steps of the forums http://www.myscienceisbetter.info/2008/09/install-google-chrome-on-linux-using-wine.html, but when i try to open the .exe, nothing happens (either on the konsole)
[02:53] <dr_willis> I dont see chrome being that big a deal at this time. so its a mimimilist type browser.. yea.. so... :)
[02:54] <gnomo> it's just for try...; i don't like google either xD, but i see it everywhere!
[02:54] <volty> there will come rabbits out of that hat (chrome)
[02:54] <intelikey> dillo
[02:54] <dr_willis> I just fullscreen firefox and be done with it
[02:55] <volty> what handles, how it handles, do not underestimate google
[02:55] <intelikey> dillo dillo dillo graphical web browser of minimalests everwhere
[02:55] <volty> it seems i missed the initrd line
[02:57] <intelikey> "underestimate google"  heh  impossable!
[02:58] <volty> what's that root=UUID=<string of hex numbers> in grub's kernel line?
[02:59] <intelikey> blkid
[03:00] <intelikey> volty  command   blkid       should list all file system unique identifiers
[03:01] <volty> thx
[03:03] <volty> going to try
[03:07] <WasTe[Bre]> i destryed 2 partitions and maked unlocated space, but lilo loader [from slackware] left on MBR, how to remove it?
[03:07] <volty> intelikey: thx, all ok
[03:07] <WasTe[Bre]> i destryed 2 partitions and maked unlocated space, but lilo loader [from slackware] left on MBR, how to remove it?
[03:08] <intelikey> volty i think maybe we are a lot alike when we start fixing a system,  "by grabs! don't bother me with details and questions, just give me the information i asked for, and don't even try to tell me it's not the right way to do it!  i'll either learn that for myself, or prove you wrong anyway.  by grabs!"  ;/    and if two of us try to talk to each other the fur flies...
[03:08] <intelikey> volty welcome
[03:09] <volty> u right :)
[03:09] <intelikey> WasTe[Bre] installing a new boot loader will take care of the MBR
[03:10] <intelikey> WasTe[Bre] installing kubuntu will by default install grub
[03:10] <intelikey> !grub
[03:10] <volty> i installed kubuntu on a clients pc and liked it, iḿ getting bit sick of gentoo so I'll try kubuntu for some time
[03:10] <WasTe[Bre]> the one who says to destrtoy partitins and left unlocated space so i can instale kbuntu on them was right! thnx
[03:12] <gnomo> one thing: i think i installed right (chrome) even is the menu in Wine>Programas, but says starting... and does not open ?
[03:12] <WasTe[Bre]> its cool ubuntu is installing and am ircing :d
[03:12] <volty> ubottu: i have done it with a cd, just grub on it you manually boot the first time then reinstall once booted
[03:13] <intelikey> volty i really like *buntu linux       after you get done configuring it and installing the apps you want, removing the ones you don't and get everything setup to suit yourself.... of course then it's not really ubuntu anymore it's your own personal linux.   which is what linux is all about anyway.     "default is only the starting point on the long road to right"
[03:13] <denisbr> It's possible install the KDe 4 in the Ubuntu 8.04 ?
[03:15] <stdin> denisbr: see the topic of #kubuntu-kde4
[03:15] <intelikey> !kde4 | denisbr
[03:15] <denisbr> stdin, intelikey thanks
[03:16] <intelikey> stdin :)
[03:17] <intelikey> i was lagging about 70 seconds.   caught up for a minute now.
[03:18] <intelikey> stdin what you working on now ?
[03:19] <stdin> just some random stuff :)
[03:19] <WasTe[Bre]> i am instaling kubuntu verzion 7.10 how to upgrade it to 8.04?
[03:19]  * intelikey likes random stuff   :)
[03:19] <stdin> !upgrade | WasTe[Bre]
[03:19] <WasTe[Bre]> thnx
[03:20] <intelikey> WasTe[Bre] you'll be better off installing from the 8.4 cd's
[03:20] <intelikey> if you have the bandwidth
[03:20] <stdin> the upgrade to 8.04 went smoothly when I tried on my PCs
[03:20] <WasTe[Bre]> yup
[03:21] <WasTe[Bre]> failed to install cd has some error on it :d
[03:21] <WasTe[Bre]> failed at 50%
[03:21]  * intelikey has yet to see a "smooth" upgrade...
[03:21] <WasTe[Bre]> so ill download 8.04 with kde4
[03:21] <intelikey> kde4 remix
[03:22] <WasTe[Bre]> what is kde4 remix?
[03:22] <stdin> you'll be better off getting the normal kubuntu (8.04.1) CD and install kde4 in there
[03:22] <intelikey> get the iso with "remix" in the title
[03:22] <intelikey> oh stdin may know something i don't
[03:22] <intelikey> i'll defer to his advice on that
[03:23] <stdin> the remix isn't our best bit of work ;)
[03:23] <WasTe[Bre]> if i wait for a cd ill wats for 15 days
[03:23] <WasTe[Bre]> i mighy die tomorrow :D
[03:23] <intelikey> stdin ah i see.
[03:23] <WasTe[Bre]> so what choice?
[03:23] <intelikey> WasTe[Bre] if you do none of this will have been important anyway
[03:24] <WasTe[Bre]> what to download?
[03:24] <WasTe[Bre]> :D
[03:27] <intelikey> death has a way of making computers growsely unimportant.
[03:28] <intelikey> mr---t- who we be ?
[03:28] <mr---t-> we ?
[03:28] <intelikey> :)
[03:28] <intelikey> how are you today ?
[03:29] <mr---t-> great like tony the tiger without the stripes
[03:29] <intelikey> :)
[03:29]  * intelikey cuts a switch and adds stripes
[03:30] <mr---t-> what do you know about konversation?
[03:30] <intelikey> de nada
[03:30] <intelikey> i think i looked at it one time.
[03:30] <mr---t-> k
[03:31] <volty> which donkey client you suggest ?
[03:31] <intelikey> ml
[03:31] <mr---t-> I made a change to my program but it doesn't seem to work right
[03:32] <intelikey> !info kmldonkey
[03:32] <volty> i tried it and liked it
[03:33] <intelikey> !info gkrellm-mldonkey | i didn't know about this...
[03:34]  * mr---t- wonders what's a donkey?
[03:34] <intelikey> an ass
[03:34] <mr---t->  :-D
[03:35] <intelikey> wait,  you set me up didn't you
[03:35] <intelikey> i've been framed!
[03:35] <mr---t-> maybe?
[03:35] <intelikey> it's mr---t-'s fault
[03:35] <volty> here it says reboot required (after adept updater) - windoz like  - i can do it later no ?
[03:36] <intelikey> you can.   only reason to reboot is kernel/module updates
[03:36] <volty> while the other apps (not the running ones) got already replaced ?
[03:38] <intelikey> volty correct
[03:38] <volty> some of you tried to enable other protocols in mldonkey ? do they work
[03:38] <intelikey> i don't have the band width for it.
[03:38] <intelikey> i'm on dialup
[03:38] <intelikey> ;/
[03:40] <intelikey> i'm so far back in the sticks we have to pipe in sunlight,  i mean so far back that there aint nothing behind us.    so far back that if you ever find the middle of nowhere, you're still 50 miles from us...
[03:41] <volty> are you in afghanistan ?
[03:41] <intelikey> well not exactly   but close
[03:42] <mr---t-> your whole country is only the size of new jersey lol
[03:42] <intelikey> that's ok cause i don't exist, therefore i don't take up much room
[03:43] <mr---t-> then stop riding the edonkeys
[03:43]  * intelikey looks for that switch he cut eariler
[03:44] <mr---t-> /ok ok
[03:44] <intelikey> isn't new your a suburb of new jersey ?
[03:44] <intelikey> york
[03:45] <volty> washington dc ?
[03:45] <intelikey> no it's  a different country
[03:46] <mr---t-> hey I'm an upstater, we don't even claim the city folk up here
[03:46] <intelikey> new york    a suburb of new jersey
[03:46] <volty> ahh, with a dialup
[03:46] <mr---t-> we call them tourons, half tourist half moron
[03:47] <intelikey> i heard they had a special word for that,,,   poon ?
[03:48] <intelikey> maybe i'm on the wrong cost for that...
[03:48] <mr---t-> careful were in danger of being too far ot
[03:48] <intelikey> i'll get on topic as soon as a topic shows up....
[03:49] <mr---t-> you couldn't help me with my konversation problems so I
[03:49]  * intelikey never was one to "look busy for the boss, when there was nothing to do..."
[03:49] <mr---t-> ,ran out of problems
[03:49] <intelikey> oh yeah.  konvo... lets see.  what was the issue ?
[03:49] <intelikey> you never did say
[03:50] <mr---t-> Jucato gave a line or two to modify so that I could get double spacing in the client window' but it doesn't work quite right
[03:51] <mr---t-> I have,nt seen him in here since I got it working
[03:51] <intelikey> well what do you expect,  he's the network guru...    </joke!>
[03:52] <intelikey> you have the lines he gave ?
[03:52] <mr---t-> this was my first compile and first program change in linux
[03:53] <mr---t-> mr---t-: you need to include these lines under the [Appearance] group of your konversationrc file: "UseParagraphSpacing=true" and "ParagraphSpacing=20" (without the quotes. you'll have to experiment with the paragraphs spacing value)
[03:54] <intelikey> ok let me play with that a minute.
[03:54] <mr---t-> when people speak slowly it works great, but the faster they speak the closer the lines get together
[03:54] <volty> i really like this a breeze to install apps and cli tells you how to get it if not present
[03:55] <mr---t-> I'm konverted
[03:55] <afeijo> hi folks
[03:55] <afeijo> tar cant unpack all .gz files in curent folder?
[03:56] <mr---t-> !tar
[03:57] <afeijo> mr---t-: its in command line
[03:58] <volty> afeijo: i think you should restate your question
[03:58] <afeijo> volty: ok...
[03:59] <afeijo> I use wget to download several .gz files to update modules (php stuff)
[03:59] <afeijo> it would be easier if I could use one single tar command to unpack all
[03:59] <afeijo> curently I do 2 commands, wget than the tar to the same file
[04:00] <volty> for f in *.gz; do tar  .... $f; done
[04:00] <afeijo> oh thanks
[04:00] <afeijo> I was thinking in a loop command, but never used in shell
[04:00] <Agent_bob> yuch it defaults to * on white.
[04:01] <Agent_bob> mr---t-: give a few lines quick
[04:01] <Agent_bob> testing
[04:01] <mr---t-> what
[04:01] <mr---t-> lines of nothing
[04:01] <intelikey> yes
[04:01] <intelikey> or something
[04:01] <intelikey> !bot
[04:01] <afeijo> volty: can for in be recursive? like for -r in *.gz ?
[04:01] <mr---t-> what are we testing? bobo
[04:02] <mr---t-> sorry bob
[04:02] <holycow> 4.1.1 is out
[04:02] <holycow> sweet
[04:02] <Agent_bob> your konversation settings
[04:02] <Agent_bob> i'm not seeing what you described.    is it kde4 ?
[04:03] <volty> afeijo: no, but you can do it with find, another one is to launch tar with all files together tar ... `ls *.gz`
[04:03] <intelikey> mr---t- ?
[04:03] <mr---t-> konversation rcl
[04:03] <intelikey> is it kde4 ?
[04:03] <mr---t-> no
[04:04] <Agent_bob> k
[04:04] <mr---t-> the final upgrade to 3.59
[04:04] <mr---t-> bob the spacing I used was 40 not 20
[04:05] <mr---t-> he said to experiment to get the spacing I was looking for
[04:07] <mr---t-> did you see my last post bob?
[04:07] <afeijo> volty: to use 2 commands in the for, its (tar ... $f; rm $f) ?
[04:08] <mr---t-> Agent_bob:  did you see my last post?
[04:08] <intelikey> yeah i'm still here.
[04:08] <intelikey> :)
[04:08] <intelikey> i tested 20 and 30 so far
[04:08] <volty> yes, btw, recursive like: tar ... `find `, or for f in `find *.gz`; do ... ; done
[04:09] <volty> afeijo: type 'help for' at the prompt
[04:10] <afeijo> nice, got it
[04:10] <afeijo> Im reading find help to make it get subfolders
[04:10] <intelikey> find . -iname '*.gz' -exec tar -args_here '{}' \;
[04:10] <intelikey> volty    ^
[04:11] <volty> yap, used it whole my life :) , to remove thumbnails after wget-tting nice galleries
[04:11] <intelikey> that will work with name with spaces or even with newlines    where the for loop wont
[04:11] <volty> find is powerful
[04:12] <intelikey> well i should have said your unmodified for loop wouldn't   it can too.
[04:12] <mr---t-> intelikey: = Agent_bob ?
[04:12] <intelikey> yeah
[04:13] <mr---t-> Agent_bob: = _2 ?
[04:13] <Agent_bob> that too   or should i say that _2
[04:13] <mr---t-> why the aliases, too many x wives?
[04:13] <Agent_bob> those settings don't affect my konversation.   sorry i wont be of any help there.
[04:14] <intelikey> heh.   no.  too many x lives
[04:14] <volty> suggest a nice interface for starting / stopping stuff in /etc/init.d ?
[04:14] <mr---t-> you have to be on the rcl version
[04:15] <intelikey> mr---t- that's what you meant by rcl ^ up there.   i was busy and let that slip by
[04:15] <intelikey> ok.   well i gave it a shot tho.
[04:15]  * intelikey awards self e for effort.
[04:15] <mr---t-> Yeah I had to get it as a binary and compile it
[04:15] <intelikey> "get it as a binary and compile it" ???
[04:15] <intelikey> :)
[04:15] <intelikey> you mean source ?
[04:16] <mr---t-> yeah
[04:16] <intelikey> :)
[04:16] <mr---t-> my bad
[04:16] <mr---t-> sorry I got _2 on my mind for some reason :-)
[04:17] <mr---t-> thanks for trying anyway
[04:17] <intelikey> volty update-rc.d ???
[04:17] <intelikey> volty you mean a gui ?     there is one.
[04:18] <intelikey> if you mean cli then we normally just use the /etc/init.d/scriptname start|stop|restop
[04:18] <intelikey> start-stop-daemon   is another way
[04:19] <intelikey> !services
[04:19] <intelikey> bot is so ignorant
[04:19] <intelikey> !service
[04:20] <mr---t-> thanks ubottu
[04:20] <volty> intelikey: yes, a gui
[04:20] <volty> or better an applet
[04:21] <intelikey> applet i doubt.   but ctrl+alt+esc  might get you there
[04:21] <intelikey> ksysguard
[04:22] <intelikey> there is a wedget or applet or kcm blah blah thingy  in system settings i think.  but it doesn't list all services.
[04:23] <intelikey> volty any of that help ya any ?
[04:23] <volty> thx, i need something very simple, i'm going to do it myself, not an applet but small box
[04:23] <volty> just to stop a group of services sometimes
[04:24] <intelikey> afeijo find is recursive by default.
[04:24] <volty> i could do it with levels no ?
[04:24] <intelikey> yeah you could.  update-rc.d  would be a key in that.
[04:24] <volty> never mind
[04:25] <intelikey> runlevels 2-5 are all == in ubuntu default setup
[04:25] <volty> bit tired, when i'm not tired i read docs and google, when tired i come to irc channels  :))
[04:25] <afeijo> intelikey: wierd, I just type "find partfilename" and it dont find, only if I'm in the file dir
[04:26] <volty> afeijo: it start from a folders downwards
[04:26] <intelikey> afeijo   find . -iname '*part_file.name*'
[04:27] <intelikey> afeijo   find / -iname '*part_file.name*'  # <<< search the entire computer
[04:27] <afeijo> 'find . -iname sql' found no file
[04:27] <afeijo> but no error returned
[04:28] <intelikey> afeijo you can combine tests in find they default to -a (and)
[04:28] <volty> there is a file named sql exactly ?
[04:28] <intelikey> afeijo so there are no dirs nor files named   sql
[04:28] <afeijo> intelikey: I have a lot of files with sql as part of the name
[04:29] <volty> afeijo: find a rest :)
[04:29] <intelikey> so do what i said and stop correcting it.    find . -iname '*sql*'
[04:29] <intelikey> if i had meant leave out '* *'   i wouldn't have put them in there
[04:29] <afeijo> intelikey: oh thats it! thanks
[04:30] <volty> he´ s just tired
[04:30] <afeijo> yes I am, 0h30 here and I'm just back from a BBQ :)
[04:32] <holycow> uh hi
[04:32] <holycow> hallo
[04:32] <holycow> so
[04:32] <holycow> does anyone realize kde4.1.1 has a mysql dependency?
[04:32] <holycow> *blink*
[04:32] <holycow> what the hell?
[04:32] <intelikey> afeijo if you want a literal * (which linux can have in file names) then escape it with \     fine . -name 'blah\*blah'      #   or even   find . -name '*\**'    # finds all files and dirs with * in their name     # find . -type d -name '*\**'     # finds all dirs with * in their name....
[04:33] <afeijo> very powerfull the find cmd!
[04:33] <intelikey> holycow i think the 3. meta package does too    kde
[04:34] <intelikey> afeijo if you need the output of find quoted, it can do that too.  :)
[04:34] <holycow> i don't get it tho ... why?
[04:35] <afeijo> intelikey: got it, thanks!!
[04:35] <volty> why what ? sql ? so many apps need storage
[04:35] <intelikey> find . -type f -printf '{}' \;    # that will give single quoted file names.
[04:35] <holycow> uh no
[04:35] <concernedcitizen> how can I upgrade from kde 3.x to 4?
[04:35] <volty> also kde could benefit storing all the attributes there
[04:35] <holycow> its called the file system
[04:35] <holycow> why would anyone store anything in an rdbm when the file system is right there?
[04:35] <intelikey> !kde4 | concernedcitizen
[04:36] <volty> it's faster
[04:36] <holycow> uh no
[04:36] <holycow> just stop
[04:36] <volty> it is more ordered
[04:36] <holycow> anyway i don't want to argue about why
[04:36] <holycow> this is a REALLY stupid idea
[04:36] <holycow> its much dumber than even the windows registry
[04:36] <volty> maybe but i always wanted that
[04:36] <holycow> no one sane does
[04:37] <volty> structured data, if xml does well, then better a database
[04:37] <holycow> ah no
[04:37] <holycow> its an unnecessary layer that offers nothing
[04:37] <holycow> and only increases complexity unnecessarily
[04:37] <intelikey> holycow careful  sanity is either determined by one of three measures.    the masses   self     a higher power.
[04:37] <volty> it's the same, enough to have an adaptor and you can see the database as single files (like now)
[04:37] <holycow> please just stop
[04:37] <intelikey> and they seldom agree
[04:37] <holycow> its not the same
[04:38] <holycow> a flat file is not the same as a full rdbm
[04:38] <holycow> basically your argument is you like it and frankly thats great
[04:38] <holycow> for you
[04:38] <volty> i meant if you want to have a flat file (ro) an adapter can provide you out of db
[04:38] <holycow> i'm not here to really listen why you like it.  i'm just curious who made this decision
[04:39] <holycow> is it official
[04:39] <holycow> or is it some temporary test ... some cosmic joke someone is playing
[04:39] <holycow> because if this is where kde4 is going, i'm going back to frickin gnome
[04:39] <holycow> i'm thinking however that there is a compile time option here
[04:39] <holycow> as kde is so modular
[04:39] <volty> kontact ? where the data is stored
[04:39] <intelikey> holycow #kde would really be a better place to get a definitive answer
[04:39] <holycow> that one probably can specify the desired option
[04:39] <deokanon> hey guys, if i use the super grub booting disk, will i be able to bypass the grub error 17 stage 1.5?
[04:40] <holycow> intelikey: perhaps
[04:40] <intelikey> deokanon should
[04:40] <deokanon> after having formatted every partition that has linux in it
[04:40] <deokanon> even?
[04:40] <intelikey> deokanon sure
[04:41] <deokanon> coolest
[04:41] <intelikey> deokanon of course you can only boot what is installed...
[04:41] <deokanon> thanks
[04:41] <intelikey> not what you removed.
[04:41] <deokanon> what intelikey
[04:41] <volty> can you  boot remotely with grub ?
[04:42] <deokanon> okay i formatted every partition containing linux
[04:42] <deokanon> but for some reason grub booting thing is still there
[04:42] <volty> bye
[04:42] <deokanon> trying to boot from someplace that doesnt exist anymore
[04:42] <intelikey> deokanon are you trying to eliminate linux from your computer ?
[04:42] <deokanon> ye
[04:42] <deokanon> tried to do it through windows
[04:42] <intelikey> !remove-grub
[04:42] <intelikey> !removegrub
[04:42] <intelikey> pfft.
[04:43] <intelikey> there is a page on the wiki
[04:43] <deokanon> had the bright idea of formatting the partition i created that contained kubuntu through disk manager
[04:43] <intelikey> basicly it's something like boot into windows recovery console and run  fixmbr
[04:43] <deokanon> yeah, tried that... but that apparently works only when recovery console was preinstalled
[04:44] <deokanon> or something like that, i do have a winxp cd... but it doesnt seem to work for some reason
[04:44] <intelikey> ummm i think it will work from some windows recovery disks too
[04:45] <intelikey> i don't do windows so i can't help much there.   but there is an unofficial ##windows channel here on freenode
[04:45] <mr---t-> recovery console should be on the install cd
[04:45] <deokanon> ah... ill look for those... so far i`ve downloaded ultimate boot cd and also super grub and ill try those first and then ill google some more on win recovery cds
[04:46] <deokanon> thanks gusy
[04:46] <intelikey> deokanon wait
[04:46] <intelikey> you can install grub from the super grub cd and still have it boot only windows too.
[04:46] <Pici> deokanon: The folks in ##windows should be able to help you out as well.
[04:46] <intelikey> that's the simplest option imo
[04:48] <intelikey> all you need is something to bounce you from mbr to bootable partition...   how hard can that be to write
[04:48] <deokanon> intelikey.. do you think if i use that option i will have to use the super grub disk forever
[04:49] <deokanon> sorry, total linux noob here
[04:49] <deokanon> hehehe
[04:49] <intelikey> deokanon no.   if you use that option you install grub with it's files in your windows partition and you can put away the supergrubcd for a rainy day.
[04:50] <intelikey> it will boot from the hd and load windows
[04:50] <deokanon> nice... :)
[04:51]  * intelikey actually started using *nux style boot loaders before he started using linux
[04:51] <intelikey> multibooted four installs of M$ crap   ;/
[04:51] <deokanon> i hope this time it works... that error has been a pain in the ass for five days now
[04:51] <intelikey> back when win98 was new
[04:51] <deokanon> lol
[04:54] <deokanon> cool man... ur the first i feel like tried to help me. karma will do you good
[04:54] <intelikey> oh i was the talk of the town, cause i could boot dos3 dos6 dos7/win95 dos7/win98  all on one box without getting into bios to change between them...     of course it was a small town  the other three people just needed someone to talk about actually....
[04:55] <deokanon> hehehe
[04:55] <intelikey> welcome.  :)
[04:56] <intelikey> deokanon and i don't know who this karma guy is, but if i ever meet him i'll mention your name.  :)
[04:56]  * mr---t- thinks intelikey is nicer than Agent_bob
[04:56] <intelikey> :)))
[04:56] <marcobxbro1> how do i add a custom item on the kde start menu
[04:57]  * intelikey </speachless>   
[04:57] <intelikey> marcobxbro1 kmenuedit
[04:57] <marcobxbro1> I'm in the kde menu edit
[04:57] <marcobxbro1> I added what I wanted but it doesn't show on the kde menu
[04:57] <marcobxbro1> kde start bar
[04:57] <intelikey> you "applied settings"
[04:58] <marcobxbro1> yes
[04:58] <intelikey> hmmm
[04:58] <guy_> hello
[04:58] <mr---t-> !hi
[04:58] <guy_> I have a small question about kubuntu hardy
[04:58]  * mr---t- is the walmart greeter for kubuntu
[04:58] <marcobxbro1> intelikey: any other sugestion
[04:59] <intelikey> mr---t- maybe it's a   dr. intelikey and Agent_bob thang ?
[04:59] <guy_> do you know if is possible to install an kernel with vserver functionnalities ?
[05:00] <intelikey> marcobxbro1 save all settings exit kde and log back in...   shouldn't be needed but i'm not sure it "wont" help....
[05:00] <marcobxbro1> did that buddy
[05:00] <NCommander> I'm curious if anyone here has read Watchman
[05:00] <holycow> i have
[05:00] <holycow> worst graphic novel ever
[05:00] <NCommander> holycow, why?
[05:00] <holycow> written for people with brain damage
[05:01] <intelikey> guy_ http://kernel.org ?
[05:01] <guy_> yes I know, but I search a packet
[05:01] <holycow> NCommander: the writing is poor on so many levels i don't know wher eto begin
[05:01] <holycow> the story is simply asinine and ridiculous
[05:01] <intelikey> guy_  apt-cache search linux-image | less
[05:02] <guy_> not available on the standard repository
[05:02] <holycow> the art is beyond horrible as well
[05:02] <holycow> NCommander: imho only :)
[05:02] <intelikey> guy_ that will list all prebuilt kernels available   so if it's not there,  then you'll have to roll your own.
[05:02] <holycow> NCommander: its just that for yearsi have heard people rave about it, and then i read it about a year ago
[05:02] <NCommander> I generally find its quite good the writing, once you get into the mindset that the narrator for the first part is likely completely insane
[05:03] <holycow> and i just couldn't believe how bad it was
[05:03] <intelikey> guy_ building a kernel is not hard
[05:03] <holycow> NCommander: the whole mars sequence is pointless as an example
[05:03] <holycow> you could just edit all of that out and it wouldn't change anything
[05:03] <NCommander> I'd agree
[05:03] <NCommander> Dr. Manhattan is way overdone in some places
[05:03] <guy_> yes I know the process but take a long time
[05:04] <holycow> the whole 'dr. manhattan' thing ... i just didn't see it
[05:04] <holycow> i thought that the kernel of an idea its based is good
[05:04] <intelikey> Manhattan ?  is that a suburb of new jersey ?
[05:04] <holycow> the 'what if superheroes were real folks' angle is a decent angle i like it
[05:04] <holycow> if you edit out dr. manhattan then you have a much better story imho
[05:05] <NCommander> holycow, its good enough that I'll finish reading it end to end, but I agree that it seems a little bleh in places
[05:05] <holycow> but then the main character at the end that planned thewhole thing ... basically he sends retarded monsters to scare everyone into some realization
[05:06] <holycow> which is like grade 1 story telling
[05:06] <holycow> NCommander: i findished it too :) yes
[05:06] <NCommander> Personally, Catch-22 is my favorite novel
[05:06] <NCommander> Just for the sheer brilliance of it
[05:06] <intelikey> guys i'm not trying to be a pain.   but lets do remember to curb the idle chatter while people are asking actual help related questions in here    k    (just a reminder)
[05:06] <holycow> never read it ... i guess its highly recommende?
[05:06] <holycow> i've heard of it before
[05:07] <holycow> okay quittin idle chatter
[05:07] <intelikey> guy_ was there anything else ?
[05:08] <intelikey> i think he's gone now anyway.   so i should have just let you fellows go on...     sorry.
[05:09] <NCommander> holycow, well, the backstory of catch-22 comes from the bombing missions of world war II
[05:10] <NCommander> Generally speaking, to fly missions, you must be sane, Any insane pilot is excused from flying
[05:10] <marcobxbro1> how do you take a k menu editor item and make it show in the kde start menu
[05:13] <guy_> intellikey I use vserver on a debian etch, and I not understand why [k]ubuntu does not implement the solution
[05:13] <guy_> I try to install vserver on my laptop to manage more easily my # vserver config
[05:13] <intelikey> guy_ you could cross breed that and use the kernelpackage from debian...    (that's unsupported here)
[05:14] <guy_> may be yes but it's not 'elegant'
[05:14] <intelikey> i can't officially tell you how to copy the .deb package from debian to ubuntu and run sudo dpkg -i packagename.deb on it though...
[05:15] <intelikey> ;\
[05:15] <guy_> do you known if a unofficial third-party repositories are available ?
[05:15] <intelikey> not supported ones.   sorry
[05:16] <intelikey> but in that example   debian would be a third party
[05:16] <guy_> yes sure
[05:16] <guy_> the starnge part is that the uil-vservers tool are available on the 7.10 and 8.04
[05:17] <intelikey> guy_  you can take the idea to the ubuntu development team if you like.
[05:17] <intelikey> !team
[05:17] <intelikey> !ubunut\team
[05:17] <intelikey> !ubunutteam
[05:17] <intelikey> stupid bot.   it forgot everything it ever knew.
[05:17] <guy_> yes, where :-)
[05:17] <intelikey> or maybe i did.
[05:18] <intelikey> ask in #ubuntu-ops
[05:18] <intelikey> woops that's a 504.   gota go.
[05:20] <mr---t-> !ubuntu+1
[05:29] <tcleval> how can i change a icon theme on kde 4 and how can i change a specific icon.. like a chm documment icon?
[05:32] <favro> !kde4
[05:41] <jalbert> Aaargh!
[05:41] <jalbert> I'm having a problem here.
[05:42] <jalbert> I installed an Emerald theme from KDE-look and now it appears I'm running Gnome!
[05:42] <jalbert> Help! I cdon't like Gnome!
[05:42] <andrea> ciao
[05:43] <jalbert> awww
[05:44] <jalbert> Will switchdesk work?
[05:46] <jalbert> I can't even open a terminal
[05:51] <jalbert> anybody here?
[05:51] <favro> jalbert: try   ctrl+alt+bkspace and select options from bottom left and change session to kde
[05:51] <favro> it might do the trick
[05:51] <jalbert> ok I'll try it thanks
[05:52] <jalbert> I don't remember an options selection in the login prompt, but I'll try it
[05:52] <favro> jalbthat would be with kdm or gdm etc
[05:52] <DarkShinigami> How do I create a type of m3u file with amarok?
[05:54] <emilsedgh> DarkShinigami: save your playlist?
[06:02] <R0b0t1> Random noise from my headphones depends on the luminescence of my monitor. What is the best way to call the GHOST BUSTERS!
[06:04] <corigo> I promise, I'll write it down this time, but how do I install new fonts?
[06:05] <DarkShinigami> emilsedgh: Yes
[06:05] <DarkShinigami> emilsedgh: How do I save the playlist outside of Amarok? Saving it as a m3u file
[06:05] <favro> !fonts | corigo
[06:20] <corigo> favro: this is not about !fonts this is about Linux and use of fonts in Linux
[06:20] <favro> k :)
[06:32] <emilsedgh> fonts:/ rocks :P
[07:10] <shentino> Does Ubuntu 8.04 support preparing and then using an LVM'ed scheme when it installs?
[07:38] <Colonel_Panic> is there a channel for getting help with Firefox?
[07:40] <Lynoure> Well, you can also ask here, if it is the FF that comes with your Kubuntu
[07:41] <Lynoure> Colonel_Panic: where by "comes with" I mean you got it from the repositories
[07:44] <Colonel_Panic> Yes
[07:44] <Colonel_Panic> If I ununstall it and reinstall FF3, will that fix the problem, or do I have to also delete my user data fioles>
[07:44] <Colonel_Panic> files?
[07:44] <Lynoure> Colonel_Panic: you did not say what the problem is
[07:46] <Lynoure> If it is something caused by messed up user data files, then I'd recommend just moving those aside (not deleting), seeing if that helps and if, restoring little by little so that you can see what part you need to leave out
[07:46] <Colonel_Panic> Flash videos won't play
[07:46] <Colonel_Panic> I have the Flash plugin and there was no problem until earlier today
[07:46] <Colonel_Panic> they start, then stall a few seconds later
[07:46] <Colonel_Panic> Firefox crashes often, as well
[07:46] <Lynoure> What changed earlier today?
[07:47] <Colonel_Panic> Nothing untoward
[07:47] <Colonel_Panic> nothing I can think of
[07:48] <Lynoure> No upgrades of anything, installing anything etc?
[07:48] <Colonel_Panic> um, no
[07:48] <Colonel_Panic> I'd like to upgrade to FF3 anyway
[07:48] <Lynoure> I'd try with reinstalling FF first, also the plugin, then moving the settings aside if that does not help
[07:49] <Colonel_Panic> I already saved my bookmarks, so it's no big deal to uninstall then reinstall
[07:49] <Colonel_Panic> but do I have to also delete my Mozilla dirsctory?
[07:49] <Lynoure> THe uninstall does not touch your bookmarks at all
[07:50] <Colonel_Panic> Well I was planning on deleting my Mozilla directory
[07:50] <Lynoure> hmm, I just said, "maving the settings aside _if_ that does not work"
[07:50] <Colonel_Panic> where can I find the Mozilla directory?
[07:51] <eddieftw> Colonel_Panic: ~/.mozilla
[07:51] <Colonel_Panic> is it the one in my /home directiry?
[07:51] <Colonel_Panic> oh ok
[07:51] <Lynoure> If you want to, you can do that right away, of course. I would not delete them until I'm sure I don't need them, just mv .mozilla .mozilla-bak or something
[07:51] <eddieftw> the . in the linux file system means its hiddenr
[07:51] <Colonel_Panic> yeah I know
[07:51] <eddieftw> sorry that would be /home/user/.mozilla, the ~ directory means its in the home folder
[07:52] <Colonel_Panic>  mean /home/username/.mozilla
[07:52] <eddieftw> yes
[07:52] <eddieftw> /home/username and ~ mean the same thing
[07:53] <DocTomoe> eddieftw: except when logged in as root
[07:55] <eddieftw> ah what is the difference?
[07:56] <Lynoure> eddieftw: root has her home at /root
[07:56] <shentino> Usually
[07:56] <shentino> That's how it's setup by default.
[07:57] <DocTomoe> avoid working as root if you can, however
[07:57] <Lynoure> Well, in Debian based systems by default, at least
[07:57] <shentino> But sourceforge has /home/u/us/username
[08:00] <leo> buenas a todos
[08:00] <leo> podrian ayudarme?
[08:01] <shentino> Habla vd. ingles?
[08:02] <eddieftw> !es
[08:02] <shentino> leo: si ud. puede, por favor h'ablanos en ingles.
[08:03] <leo> sorry, my inglish is very bad jeje
[08:05] <shentino> Do what ubottu said, and you'll get help in spanish
[08:05] <shentino> Escucha a ubottu
[08:06] <Colonel_Panic> can I use apt-get to reinstall the Flash plugin?
[08:06] <Colonel_Panic> it's called "flash-plugin" isn't it?
[08:07] <Colonel_Panic> apparently that'[s wrong...
[08:07] <leo> yes.. or whit synaptic..
[08:10] <Colonel_Panic> aaah... flashplugin-nonfree
[08:10] <Colonel_Panic> that's the ticket!
[08:18] <Colonel_Panic> it's still not working
[08:19] <Colonel_Panic> rebooting
[08:21] <sd_> hallo
[08:22] <aereal> any body help me
[08:22] <aereal> please
[08:22] <keldrona> hello... I have a problem with a .tar.bz2 file... here are the messages I get:
[08:22] <keldrona> chris@chris-laptop:~/Desktop$ sudo tar zxvf aMule-2.2.2.tar.bz2
[08:22] <keldrona> Password:
[08:22] <keldrona> gzip: stdin: not in gzip format
[08:22] <keldrona> tar: Child returned status 1
[08:22] <keldrona> tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors
[08:23] <aereal> hello.... i have a problem with file sharing in kubuntu
[08:25] <aereal> hello.... i have a problem with file sharing in kubuntu
[08:25] <aereal> hello.... i have a problem with file sharing in kubuntu .....here are the messages I get:
[08:26] <shentino> ah
[08:26] <Colonel_Panic> and now, my browser has this annoying XML trag at the bottom, below the status bar
[08:26] <shentino> kel: Try "j" instead of "z"
[08:26] <shentino> gzip and bzip2 are two different beasts
[08:26] <Colonel_Panic> this makes no sense
[08:26] <Colonel_Panic> it just started happening out of the blue, and now I can't fix it
[08:43] <nihl> is there a codec for wmv on Linux?
[08:43] <nihl> !wmv
[08:45] <nihl> nvm
[09:00] <Colonel_Panic> OK I found the problem
[09:01] <Colonel_Panic> for some reason, when I reinstalled Firefox using Adept, it installed Firefox AND Firefox 3
[09:01] <Colonel_Panic> why? I don't know
[09:02] <Colonel_Panic> when I uninstalled FF2 and restarted Firefox, it worked fine.
[09:12] <marcobxbro1> where to you put a python script so when you go to a terminal and type it is runs?
[09:17] <simi> hi, i have a problem with a CRT display, i have a dual boot system and in linux the image is draw in part outside of the scrren and my kmenu is not visible and in the right side of the screen it appears a black section that is not used for drawing, can i change this from xorg? if i use the display device menu the image is not drawn correct in windows?
[09:17] <nihl> !sox
[09:17] <abby87> marcobxbro1: in ur home directory
[09:18] <abby87> marcobxbro1: no sorry
[09:18] <abby87> marcobxbro1: put it in ur PATH
[09:18] <marcobxbro1> ok thats what i thought
[09:18] <marcobxbro1> ok
[09:18] <marcobxbro1> thanks
[09:18] <abby87> marcobxbro1: np ;)
[09:19] <marcobxbro1> ur path is...
[09:19] <abby87> simi: have u tried restarting xserver ctrl+alt
[09:19] <nihl> !totem media player
[09:19] <abby87> +bckspace
[09:20] <nihl> !totem
[09:20] <nihl> !codecs
[09:24] <dbglt> I've removed (with --force) a package, which I have replaced with a manual version. Aptitude/apt-get wants to reinstall it. How can I tell apt-get to ignore the dependency?
[09:26] <jussi01> !pinning | dbglt
[09:44] <Darkrift2> anyone know why ktorrents download first/last/normal doesnt work?
[10:16] <Colonel_Panic> I'm having some serious problems here
[10:16] <Lynoure> What kind?
[10:16] <Colonel_Panic> Firefox is totally fucked
[10:16] <Colonel_Panic> like, won't work
[10:16] <Colonel_Panic> I cannot edit my menu items using the menu editor
[10:17] <emilsedgh> !language | Colonel_Panic
[10:17] <Lynoure> Colonel_Panic: What did you do to it since last we talked?
[10:17] <Colonel_Panic> is there some conf file I can edit to remove entries?
[10:17] <Colonel_Panic> I have uninstalled it
[10:17] <Colonel_Panic> completely
[10:18] <Lynoure> Then it really should not be a Firefox problem
[10:18] <Colonel_Panic> deleted my ~/.mozilla directory
[10:18] <Colonel_Panic> reinstalled it
[10:18] <Lynoure> ah.
[10:18] <Colonel_Panic> it still wouldn't workl, so I uninstalled it again
[10:18] <Colonel_Panic> Konqueror hangs my system every time I run it
[10:19] <Colonel_Panic> the only Web browser I have right now is IE under Wine and that crashes all the time
[10:19] <emilsedgh> Colonel_Panic: -safe-mode
[10:19] <Lynoure> Sounds like you could have a memory problem
[10:19] <emilsedgh> Colonel_Panic: run firefox -safe-mode
[10:19] <Colonel_Panic> I would need to reinstall it again first
[10:19] <Lynoure> It's the most common cause for weird crashes and hangs that span many programs
[10:20] <Colonel_Panic> the only thing I can think of that would have caused this is when I installed Flash and JRE and midi support for Firefox
[10:20] <emilsedgh> Lynoure is right Colonel_Panic, what about running memtest86+ ?
[10:21] <Colonel_Panic> how do I do thta?
[10:22] <Colonel_Panic> I installed mozplugger
[10:22] <jussi01> yes
[10:22] <Colonel_Panic> maybe that's the cause
[10:22] <Colonel_Panic> how do I run memtest86+?
[10:22] <Colonel_Panic> how  can I uninstall mozplugger?
[10:23] <Colonel_Panic> damn, it's getting late
[10:24] <Colonel_Panic> also, whenever I log in, my system tray icons appear in the upper left-hand corner of the screen instead of in the system tray
[10:25] <Colonel_Panic> how do I uninstall mozplugger?
[10:25] <Colonel_Panic> I'm thinking that might be the problem
[10:25] <Colonel_Panic> well... one of the problems
[10:25] <Lynoure> Colonel_Panic: unlikely....
[10:26] <Lynoure> Colonel_Panic: you can run memtest from boot menu after installing it
[10:26] <Colonel_Panic> how can I edit the menu without using the manu editor app?
[10:26] <skole> Hi!
[10:26] <Lynoure> Colonel_Panic: Ideally at least overnight
[10:26] <Colonel_Panic> ok how do I install it? sudo apt-get?
[10:27] <Lynoure> Colonel_Panic: sudo apt-get install memtest86+
[10:27] <skole> My adapt wants to install ubuntu 8.04 Hardy heron, but i'm running kubuntu. What is happening?
[10:27] <Colonel_Panic> it's installed
[10:27] <Colonel_Panic> how do I run it?
[10:27] <Lynoure> Colonel_Panic: you can run memtest from boot menu after installing it
[10:28] <Colonel_Panic> boot menu?
[10:28] <Lynoure> Colonel_Panic: boot menu, just select it with arrow keys
[10:28] <Colonel_Panic> oh ok]
[10:28] <Lynoure> It cannot run when the system is in normal use
[10:28] <Colonel_Panic> so there's nothing I can do to fix the broken links in the menu?
[10:28] <Lynoure> sorin_: Kubuntu is an Ubuntu
[10:28] <Colonel_Panic> I want to remove them
[10:28] <Lynoure> sorin_: oops, wrong tab complete
[10:29] <Lynoure> skole: Kubuntu is an Ubuntu
[10:29] <Lynoure> skole: So it might be just telling you there is a 8.04 to upgrade to
[10:29] <sorin_> ce ma
[10:29] <skole> And is hardy heron better?
[10:29] <Lynoure> Colonel_Panic: Yes, find the broken memory, exchange it
[10:29] <Colonel_Panic> Lynoure, how can I edit my menu?
[10:30] <Colonel_Panic> it's not even certain that that's the problem
[10:30] <Lynoure> Colonel_Panic: If you just want to patch the symptoms and not treat the cause, I really cannot help you
[10:30] <Lynoure> Colonel_Panic: someone else might.
[10:30] <Colonel_Panic> this is a relatively new computer and these problems just started today
[10:31] <Colonel_Panic> but I'll try it
[10:31] <Lynoure> Colonel_Panic: Plenty of new computers arrive with borderline broken memory
[10:31] <Colonel_Panic> I built this thing myself
[10:31] <Colonel_Panic> I need some damn sleep anyway
[10:31] <Colonel_Panic> ttyl
[10:32] <skole> Is ubuntu 8.04 better than kubuntu gutsy gibbon?
[10:32] <Alarm> goodmorning. i have installed kubuntu 8.04 with kde3.5.9 . i own a nvidia 8600gs, just installed from the adept installation the NVidia binary X.Org driver ('new' driver) , but i do not see any nvidia logo neither a nvidia configuration utility
[10:36] <Lynoure> skole: 8.04, aka Hardy was better at least for me
[10:36] <Lynoure> skole: Hibernation that did not work for me in Gutsy started working for me in Hardy again
[10:40] <hamilton> hello
[10:40] <skole> Do anyone have experiance with smart board programs?
[10:40] <hamilton> what's is the best Ubuntu or Kubuntu ?
[10:42] <Lynoure> hamilton: to me is the freedom to change things and to share and contribute
[10:42] <Darkrift2> you shoudl go to microsoft and ask them if they like windows or mac more
[10:42] <Darkrift2> you are in a kubuntu channel, my GUESS is most ppl in here prefer kubuntu over ubuntu
[10:42] <Lynoure> hamilton: Oh, if you meant which is best, those are not exclusive
[10:42] <Darkrift2> and vice versa if you join #ubuntu
[10:43] <Lynoure> hamilton: you can have both the Ubuntu and kubuntu desktops, and choose per case which you use. and you can use KDE programs from Gnome and viceversa
[10:47] <Darkrift2> i wanna know how im uploading a torrent at 260K when my upload is 2mb
[10:48] <hamilton> what's the fast in old machines  KDE or  Gnome
[10:48] <Lynoure> Darkrift2: it might have some upload limit in the settings, and you would not want to use 100% of your uplink anyway, that would mean no irc...
[10:49] <Darkrift2> no, i mean im uploading at almost 4x what my connection should handle
[10:49] <Lynoure> hamilton: Neither is really ideal for really old machines. How old is your old
[10:49] <Lynoure> Darkrift2: no, it's K, not M
[10:49] <Darkrift2> fastest ive ever gotten on this connection i pay for was 116k upload
[10:50] <Darkrift2> i know the different between bits and bytes
[10:50] <Darkrift2> i also know the formulas
[10:50] <Lynoure> Darkrift2: Well, I then just don't understand what you mean
[10:50] <Lynoure> 260K seems totally typical upload with torrents
[10:51] <Lynoure> and it's clearly less than what you said the maximum was (2MB)
[10:51] <skole> I have a question about downloading smart board software. Under system requirements it says that I need ubuntu 6.06. Will it work with Kubuntu 8.04?
[10:51] <Darkrift2> erm, sorry, 450k, not 250k
[10:52] <Darkrift2> and it peaked at 650k for about 20 seconds straight
[10:52] <Darkrift2> the 450k was sustained for over 2 minutes
[10:52] <Darkrift2> its just a lot faster than any speeds ive gotten before
[10:52] <Lynoure> Darkrift2: just enjoy it :)
[10:52] <Darkrift2> oh, i will lol
[10:54] <skole> The adress to smart board is: http://www2.smarttech.com/st/en-US/Support/Downloads/SBS/SBSv97Linux.htm
[10:56] <Lynoure> skole: oh, that's one of those cool whiteboards...
[10:58] <Lynoure> skole: I've never had the chance to play with them, but if the manufacturer offers Linux software for them, I'd expect them to support any problems you have related, too. Though people here can probably help with some things
[10:59] <skole> yes! And I don't want to use MS windows. I had a problem downloading the linux version of the program package I need to make my computer work. Now I'm doownloading kubuntu 8.04, and then we will see :)
[11:00] <Lynoure> skole: seems they require registration for download...
[11:00] <skole> yes, but not fore a trial period of 30 days.
[11:02] <Lynoure> skole: it asks me for all sorts of info even for just http://www2.smarttech.com/st/en-US/Support/Downloads/download.htm?file=software%2fSBS%2flinux%2f9.7680%2fsmartboardsoftware9.7.68.0.package.tar.gz&referrer=SBS%2fSBSv97Linux&eula=1
[11:03] <skole> Im at 65% of my 8.04 download... i'm not checking anything right now :)
[11:03] <Lynoure> skole: If you cannot download it at all, best to contact the company. I don't think Kubuntu comes with any SmartTech tools, though maybe you can use it with some normal office suites
[11:04] <Lynoure> skole: :)
[11:06] <skole> The problem last time was not the download, but running the program. I got a bug message. I'm hoping that 8.04 will help me. I can not prolong using the damn thing any longer. My pupils are starting to get anoying!
[11:06] <Lynoure> skole: Do you remember what the error was?
[11:08] <Lynoure> skole: If it is the SmartTech program misbehaving, then it's clearly their problem, but if it's something with permissions or missing libraries, that's easier
[11:12] <WasTe[Bre]> i need help, i was try in to install kubuntu 7.10 and 8.04 and both instalation at 50% shows error
[11:12] <chrrr> Has anyone attempted to use windows dynamic partitions while in ubuntu?
[11:13] <Lynoure> hasty, hasty.
[11:17] <skole> It is a tar.gz file, and I think I have to use the terminal window to istall it. But I am not a good terminal window user :)
[11:17] <siegie> skole: is there no .deb file?
[11:18] <Lynoure> skole: yes, you are right.  tar -zxf filename will unpack it, and usually inside there is a README file or something that gives step by step for the installation
[11:32] <keldrona> I have a problem. I'm trying to install xwWidgets but when I write "sudo ./configure", it exits this message:
[11:32] <keldrona> checking for GTK+ - version >= 2.0.0... no
[11:32] <keldrona> *** Could not run GTK+ test program, checking why...
[11:32] <keldrona> *** The test program failed to compile or link. See the file config.log for the
[11:32] <keldrona> *** exact error that occured. This usually means GTK+ is incorrectly installed.
[11:32] <keldrona> configure: error:
[11:33] <jpds> keldrona: Install: libgtk2.0-dev and please use pastebin.ubuntu.com next time.
[11:33] <keldrona> (i have used paste.ubuntu.com)
[11:44] <WaStE[bRe]> am instaling kubuntu but instalatio 7.10 and 8.04 shows error at 50% [dvd read fault]
[11:44] <WaStE[bRe]> but evrythin work fine
[11:45] <Pliskin>  hi :) my superkaramba wigdets do not appear :/ help ?
[11:45] <Pliskin> (sorry for my english
[11:45] <Pliskin> I am using KDE3.5.10
[11:48] <Caemyr> hiya
[11:49] <Caemyr> could you please keep your trolls locked up properly?
[11:49] <Caemyr> one of them, nicked sebastian_, has managed to get out
[11:49] <Caemyr> and troll on #windows
[11:49] <Caemyr> thanks in advance
[11:54] <harpreet> how i compress files?
[11:58] <sbucat> harpreet: ark
[11:59] <sbucat> harpreet: select files --right butto
[11:59] <sbucat> button
[11:59] <harpreet> sbuca
[11:59] <sbucat> cmpress to---
[11:59] <harpreet> sbucat: no that does not work..
[11:59] <sbucat> :S
[11:59] <sbucat> have u ark ?
[12:00] <rickympl> hi, trying to upgrade to 8.04 using adept, but the version upgrade button does not appear.
[12:00] <sbucat> harpreet: sudo apt-get install ark
[12:02] <sbucat> harpreet: maybe better             sudo apt-get install --reinstall ark
[12:04] <harpreet> sbucat, thank you , let me try
[12:04] <piero_O> hi
[12:13] <keldrona> sorry guys, still getting this message:
[12:13] <keldrona> If you still get this error, then check that 'wx-config' is
[12:13] <keldrona>     in path, the directory where wxWidgets libraries are installed
[12:13] <keldrona>     (returned by 'wx-config --libs' command) is in LD_LIBRARY_PATH
[12:13] <keldrona>     or equivalent variable and wxWidgets version is 2.8.0 or above.
[12:18] <skole> Im upgrading my system from gutsy to kubuntu 8.04, but it stops at 75 %, What to do?
[12:23] <skole> It says if i terminte the upgrade, my system might not work after it
[12:23] <abaddon> hi
[12:24] <AcidUk> how do i find out the device my usb modem is connected as Ie /dev/modem  ?
[12:24] <darkbring__> hello
[12:25] <darkbring__> using the 'mount' command
[12:29] <skole> My update to kubuntu 8.04 stalled at 75%, What to do?
[12:31] <wiehan> skole: I'm not sure but can't you do sudo apt-get upgrade -f
[12:32] <skole> Im trying it now. thx
[12:32] <wiehan> the updater is quite smart, it has happened to me before as well, It will sort it self out, even if you restart your computer before finishing the upgrade
[12:33] <wiehan> it just continues later on
[12:34] <skole> It returns :E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is anither process using it?
[12:35] <wiehan> well.. I'm not sure, but I won't worry if I were you, read the above posts I wrote
[12:36] <WaSTe[bRe]> i downloaded mozilla firefox 3.01 and i put icon od desktop and ist shell scriipt, how to put icons firefox?
[12:36] <wiehan> How to speak the English
[12:36] <Lynoure> WaSTe[bRe]: Sorry, I have difficulty understanding the question.
[12:37] <Lynoure> WaSTe[bRe]: You want to put what icon where?
[12:37] <WaSTe[bRe]> ok sorry for my english ill explain better
[12:38] <WaSTe[bRe]> when i downloaded firefox, i dont know how to install it, and when i run firefox.sh, firefox loded and functional, i put that file [frefox.sh] on my desktop as a shortcut
[12:38] <WaSTe[bRe]> and it has icon as a shell script, how to put to be firefox icon instead shell script
[12:39] <Lynoure> WaSTe[bRe]: you can install firefox 3 through Adept, or just by  sudo aptitude install firefox-3.0
[12:40] <WaSTe[bRe]> i run Adept
[12:40] <Lynoure> WaSTe[bRe]: no need to install it from a script or a source code. It has been there, packaged for your Kubuntu already
[12:40] <WaSTe[bRe]> how to instal mozilla from here?
[12:40] <Lynoure> WaSTe[bRe]: easiest is just to type   sudo
[12:40] <Lynoure> WaSTe[bRe]: easiest is just to type                    aptitude install firefox-3.0
[12:40] <Lynoure> oops
[12:40] <WaSTe[bRe]> ? :D
[12:40] <Lynoure> sudo aptitude install firefox-3.0
[12:40] <wincide> hi all
[12:40] <WaSTe[bRe]> for konsole?
[12:40] <WaSTe[bRe]> from*
[12:41] <abaddon> yes
[12:41] <Lynoure> WaSTe[bRe]: yes, it will ask you password, then install, and put it in your menu and all
[12:42] <wincide> i work at greece and i need my kubuntu to read greek alphabet ... even in console, not only X. Now it's UTF8 but doesn't work.. any idea ??
[12:42] <WaSTe[bRe]> should i enter the mozilla dir and type sudo aptitude... or ???
[12:42] <abaddon> WaSTe[bRe]: no
[12:42] <Lynoure> WaSTe[bRe]: it is not picky what directory you are in
[12:43] <WaSTe[bRe]> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[12:43] <WaSTe[bRe]> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[12:43] <WaSTe[bRe]> Reading package lists... Done
[12:43] <Lynoure> WaSTe[bRe]: you cannot have adept open at the same time, sorry forgot to say
[12:43] <WaSTe[bRe]> Building dependency tree
[12:43] <WaSTe[bRe]> Reading state information... Done
[12:43] <WaSTe[bRe]> Initializing package states... Done
[12:43] <WaSTe[bRe]> Building tag database... Done
[12:43] <WaSTe[bRe]> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[12:43] <WaSTe[bRe]> E: Unable to loc
[12:43] <WaSTe[bRe]> this what i get
[12:44] <WaSTe[bRe]> Lynoure thnx a lot
[12:44] <WaSTe[bRe]> its instaling now
[12:44] <WaSTe[bRe]> u are the MAN! :D
[12:44] <Lynoure> WaSTe[bRe]: I hope not... I'm a woman :)
[12:44] <abaddon> :P
[12:44] <WaSTe[bRe]> :D
[12:44] <WaSTe[bRe]> u are the WOMAN! :D
[12:45] <Lynoure> WaSTe[bRe]: Heh, glad to be of service
[12:45] <WaSTe[bRe]> with thad sudo adopt install < i can install all program i download?
[12:46] <WaSTe[bRe]> aptitude*
[12:46] <Lynoure> WaSTe[bRe]: not all, but extremely many
[12:47] <WaSTe[bRe]> thnx
[12:47] <Lynoure> WaSTe[bRe]: all those show somewhere in adept too, but I'm less good with adept. I tend to do  apt-cache search foobar  to search.
[12:48] <WaSTe[bRe]> doh?
[12:48] <WaSTe[bRe]> :D
[12:48] <Lynoure> WaSTe[bRe]: If you can't find something there, then ask here, someone might know where you can get it as a .deb package for (K)ubuntu
[12:48] <WaSTe[bRe]> am newbie
[12:49] <WaSTe[bRe]> ill first search for repository .deb
[12:49] <keldrona> ...
[12:50] <Lynoure> WaSTe[bRe]: The good thing about being a newbie is that everyone has been a newbie once and it does not last very long
[12:50] <WaSTe[bRe]> true :D
[12:50] <WaSTe[bRe]> nobody was born with knowleage
[12:50] <WaSTe[bRe]> :D
[12:50] <Lynoure> :)
[12:50] <AcidUk> any one know how to find where ur device is , ie /dev/modem etc i have a speedtouch  modem via usb , kernal can see it bit I know what device its on to configure KPPP
[12:51] <WaSTe[bRe]> how to mount ntfs file system in linux [i have windows partitions]
[12:52] <Lynoure> AcidUk: Speedtouch was somewhat hasslesome when I last paid attention to it, but that was some years back. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsbAdslModem/SpeedTouch might be helpful or totally obsolete
[12:53] <WaSTe[bRe]> ok works fine now
[12:53] <abaddon> AcidUk: u have neostrada?
[12:54] <Lynoure> WaSTe[bRe]: If you had it when you installed, chances are it mounts already. Check under /media
[12:55] <WaSTe[bRe]> yup works now
 will take a look and Abaddon no I hav't
[12:57] <_oggy> what's the smallest metapackage for gnome in kubuntu? gnome-core or is there something smaller?
[12:59] <WaSTe[bRe]> can i install .rpm file [in this case flash addon for mozilla]?
[13:00] <dr_willis> WaSTe[bRe],   you really DONT want to use a rpm for flash
[13:00] <WaSTe[bRe]> tar.gz?
[13:01] <WaSTe[bRe]> to unpack it and run?
[13:01] <dr_willis> WaSTe[bRe],  you can install flash from the reposiutories without doing all that work with tar.gz or rpms
[13:02] <WaSTe[bRe]> dr_willis how?
[13:02] <dr_willis> I belive the package 'kubuntu-restricted-extras' will install  the forrect flash and a fe3w other pacakges you will want for full multimedia support.. OR go read the !flash factoud url
[13:02] <dr_willis> !flash
[13:03] <dr_willis> Kubuntu Tip #4 - you RARELY need to go to web sites and 'download stuff to install' the package manager should be the first place you look
[13:12] <WaSTe[bRe]> Enable the Multiverse repository if you have not yet done so.
[13:12] <WaSTe[bRe]> Install the package flashplugin-nonfree.
[13:12] <WaSTe[bRe]> Restart your web browser. Flash should now work.
[13:12] <WaSTe[bRe]> install the package flashplugon-nonfree i cant find it
[13:12] <WaSTe[bRe]> where to find it?
[13:14] <WaSTe[bRe]> i found it
[13:14] <WaSTe[bRe]> :D
[13:15] <dr_willis> after enabling repositories.. always 'sudo apt-get update' :) and perhaps 'sudo apt-get upgrade' befor installing anything else
[13:15] <dr_willis> if you know the package name 'sudo apt-get install PACKAGE-Name
[13:16] <WaSTe[bRe]> i found it in Adopt
[13:16] <WaSTe[bRe]> and installed and its working :d
[13:26] <dr_willis> much easier then messing with  rpm's and tar.gz's eh?
[13:27] <mrxmike> brothers :P, yesterday i had to reinstall the 24.19 kernel, unfortunately - i dont have sound anymore
[13:29] <mrxmike> 00:06.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP55 High Definition Audio (rev a2)
[13:31] <mrxmike> it doesnt look like my drive module is loaded, i dont see it in lsmod either
[13:32] <dr_willis> boot live cd/ see if sound works.. see what modules its loading
[13:32] <dr_willis> then try manually loading the same ones. :)
[13:32] <mrxmike> it works with live cd
[13:33] <mrxmike> it worked till yesterday............... > till i had to reinstall my kernel
[13:33] <dr_willis> live cd's are so handy
[13:33] <mrxmike> (via repos)
[13:37] <Dragnslcr> I've had this happen before. I think it was because the kernel version of the modules package didn't match the kernel
[13:37] <Dragnslcr> Something like the modules being -i386 and the kernel being -generic
[13:37] <dr_willis> Dragnslcr,  Ive seen simting like that in beta.. but never noticed why
[13:38] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, I never figured out how it happened
[13:38] <Dragnslcr> Something to check for, though
[13:39] <arte_> fftgg
[13:48] <keldrona> does anyone could help me whit the wxconfig --unicode?
[13:48] <FicaBlok38> hello, how to upgrade from Kubuntu 8.04 with KDE4 to 8.10 Alpha 5?
[13:53] <FicaBlok38> anybody?
[13:53] <mrxmike> are there any newer kernels i can test?
[13:53] <mrxmike> (experimental)?
[13:53] <mrxmike> .. i dont wanna bake them myself though
[13:57] <mrxmike> what package contains the snd-hda-intel kernel module?
[14:00] <dr_willis> !find snd-hda-intel
[14:00] <dr_willis> Poor bot..
[14:00] <mrxmike> it needs a spanking
[14:00] <dr_willis> !spank
[14:04] <FicaBlok38> hello, how to upgrade from Kubuntu 8.04 with KDE4 to 8.10 Alpha 5?
[14:04] <Roey> hi
[14:04] <dr_willis> FicaBlok38,  i would check Ubuntu+1 for upgrade guides/urls/info
[14:04] <Roey> I've installed the kde4 desktop; how do I start konqueror from KDE4 instead of Konqueror 3.5.9?
[14:04] <dr_willis> and i dont reccomend upgrading at this time.. Unless you just want to tryit for fun
[14:05] <Roey> hey dr_willis
[14:05] <dr_willis> Roey,  i was thinking most of the kde4-aps had -kde4 in their names.
[14:05] <dr_willis> konq<tab> perhaps?
[14:05] <Roey> dr_willis:  yeah but I don't see a konqueror-kde4
[14:05] <Roey> dr_willis:  yeah I tried
[14:05] <Roey> btw, I read "guids/urls/info" as girls/info
[14:05] <dr_willis> Perhaps its not called that any more. isent it dolphin now?
[14:05] <Roey> "I would check Ubuntu+1 for girls/info"
[14:06] <Roey> dr_willis:  dolphin is the file manager; Konqueror is still the web browser
[14:06] <dr_willis> Roey,  no idea then. I rareky use konq. as a web browser.
[14:07] <Roey> ah ok
[14:21] <s0101> anybody who knows how to change menu colour after installing gnome-color-chooser from synaptic?
[14:22] <dr_willis> The kde menus? Theres the color settings/teme customization tool to set those colors...
[14:22] <dr_willis> not surwe what that has to do with your gnomecolorchooser tool.
[14:23] <s0101> but i have installed gnome-color-chooser because i just want to change the colur
[14:23] <s0101> the themes can sometimes frezze etc
[14:23] <s0101> i need some instructions
[14:25] <dr_willis> gnome color chooser just lets you click on a color on the srceen and it shows you what color it is in the  gnome-color-choser program I thought
[14:25] <dr_willis> it dosent actually 'change' any colors.
[14:26] <s0101> so how can i change them?
[14:26] <dr_willis> The kde menus? Theres the color settings/teme customization tool to set those colors...
[14:26] <s0101> where can i find it?
[14:26] <dr_willis> Explore the themes/appearances tools thers a  color tool in there somewhere
[14:26] <s0101> ok
[14:27] <s0101> thanks going to try
[14:27] <dotancohen> #kopete
[14:30] <coline> Heii !
[14:30] <s0101> do you know how to make the menus transparent i have managed to do that with the panel but the menus are still orginal
[14:31] <s0101> i accualy found the colour tool but that dosent let me make them transparent
[14:32] <dr_willis> I think you have to enable the composite extension to get transparent stuff like that.
[14:32] <dr_willis> or use ccsm/compiz perhaps
[14:33] <s0101> ok
[14:33] <s0101> cheers
[14:37] <s0101> ccsm dosent let me change anything of course i see all the options but when i change nothing happends
[14:40] <dr_willis> some times it gets 'stuck' and changes dont take admient effect.  I recall useing the 'flat file' for settings under general tab helped that.. but i  thought they had fixed that issue.
[14:50] <Caracas> a channel in Spanish
[14:50] <Caracas> -----
[14:51] <Caracas> estan mudo o que
[14:54] <bibstha> anyone with openjdk and java appets running in ff?
[14:57] <shadowhywind> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-shadowhywind" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[14:57] <shadowhywind> opss
[14:58] <shadowhywind> hay all i am running into this error when i do a sudo command any ideas?
[14:58] <Caracas> pon xp
[14:58] <Caracas> formatea el pc
[15:20] <s0101> i have some problems related to when i uninstalled compiz
[15:21] <s0101> after restart all my windows are in the top of the screen so i cant see file edit etc
[15:22] <s0101> compiz has cut of a part of the window
[15:22] <HUNTER_byte> Is any disk partitioning program with a frontend on Kubuntu LiveDVD?
[15:23] <s0101> i cant minimize the windows
[15:23] <linkleguerier> Hi/Salut
[15:24] <s0101> at the moment i am thinking about win xp
[15:26] <s0101> :(
[15:28] <s0101> plz help i just want my old settings from before i installed compiz
[15:29] <dr_willis> You shouldent of unintalled compiz. you should of just disabled it.
[15:29] <s0101> should i install it again?
[15:30] <dr_willis> theres some fix for removing it proerly but i forget what it is.
[15:30] <s0101> everything went slow with compiz
[15:30] <dr_willis> the COmpiz support channel is the place to ask perhaps..
[15:30] <dr_willis> !compiz
[15:30] <dr_willis> I dont use compiz any more. as a 'quick' fix, you could do alt-f2 and run 'kwin --replace' perhaps.
[15:32] <strange_> Прив
[15:32] <dr_willis> !ru
[15:49] <darth_chatri> i'm trying to get the guidance power manager to work with a WM called ion. when i suspend (to ram) the screen doesnt get locked. do i need to start some service to do this?
[16:01] <dotancohen> Does anyone know how to configure Kopete to close tabs on middle click in KDE 3.x?
[16:02] <dotancohen> This works for konqueror: kwriteconfig --file konquerorrc --group "FMSettings" --key MouseMiddleClickClosesTab --type bool true
[16:02] <dotancohen> But I'd like similar behaviour for Kopete as well.
[16:09] <linux_> всем привет
[16:09] <ghostcube> !ru
[16:18] <sonofusion82> hello..  i m currently using hardy with KDE4
[16:18] <sonofusion82> i m wondering if there is a list of mirrors for ppa.launchpad.net?
[16:21] <dthacker> Hi,  I'm looking for recommendations for a Bayesian spam filter to use with kontact.  What packages have you found that work well?
[16:21] <kay> hello
[16:22] <shadowhywind> where is the dolphin service menu file? I can't seam to find it
[16:43] <mindspin> after upgrading to hardy, I am not more able to access my camera, when I plug in the camera, it is recognized but I get the error. klauncher: unknown protocol "camera"
[16:44] <Denise> dolphins live in bands
[16:45] <mindspin> furhermore, I am unable to booz any of the 2.6.24 kernels the machine always hangs
[16:45] <mindspin> boot
[16:45] <darwing> hola como esta
[16:46] <mindspin> any idea how to fix that camera issue?
[16:58] <eleni> help, i changed screen, i have the correct analysis, drivers, fonts BUT 1- i see very ugly and unclear all the fonts (can't read) 2-i cannot see any other fonts but english although i have installed other languages too (greek) any ideas? thanx in advance
[17:00] <eleni> (my encoding is ok too)
[17:07] <tcleval> i cant make ARK open RAR files, how can i fix that?
[17:33] <peluza> k3b ya lo tengo
[17:33] <peluza> desde hace rato
[17:34] <peluza> pero no se utilizarlo
[17:43] <Colonel_Panic> Well, I just completed memtest86+
[17:43] <Colonel_Panic> no memory errors
[17:45] <Colonel_Panic> why will the KDE menu editor not edit the menus?
[17:46] <Colonel_Panic> I'm trying to remove the links to Firefox 2 and Firefox 3
[17:49] <Colonel_Panic> why will the KDE menu editor not edit the menus?
[17:49] <Colonel_Panic> I'm trying to remove the links to Firefox 2 and Firefox 3
[17:54] <dal-home> hey all, anyone know of a way to set up konqueror so that if I've already got a file copy or move process running any subsequent file copies or moves that I tell it to do are held in a queue until the first one is finished?
[17:58] <gebrito> Buenos Dias
[17:58] <gebrito> soy nueva en kubuntu 8.04, alguien  me puede ayudar con una dudaç
[17:58] <gebrito> como puedo comparti mi iimpresora con otras dos maquinas en red
[17:59] <gebrito> que tienen ubuntu 8.04 instalado
[17:59] <gebrito> la impresora esta en mi kunbuntu y es una hp deskjet 810c
[17:59] <BluesKaj> !es, gebrito
[17:59] <BluesKaj> !es
[18:00] <gebrito> auch, este canal ha sido en ingles,
[18:00] <gebrito> gracias , ya me cambio
[18:01] <gebrito>  <ubottu> Sorry, I don't know anything about es, gebrito, I'm a new kubuntu user
[18:01] <gebrito> thaks folks
[18:01] <gebrito> we see the next time
[18:03] <aziz> what was the command for listing the size of the contents of a folder?
[18:07] <m_tadeu> hi everyon
[18:08] <m_tadeu> I'm having a bt of a problem with my kmix
[18:08] <m_tadeu> the master channel is not controling my sound as a whole
[18:08] <m_tadeu> so if the master channel value is 0 I still have sound
[18:08] <m_tadeu> and have to set pcm too
[18:09] <sybux> Hi all, I'm looking for a good usenet newsreader with automatic binary reassamble if possible
[18:21] <kb> Überarbeitete Zitatesammlung! Powered by Ruby on Rails! Code by klausbyte, hosted by airbuspilot :o :) http://bash.gentoo64.net !!
[18:22] <kb> awrum ist amsg in konversation immer für alle channels in allen netzwerken oO dasi st schon das zweite mal das mir so eine peinlichkeit entsteht
[18:23] <KiDFlaSh> hallo
[18:23] <Colonel_Panic> I can't edit my manu items
[18:23] <Colonel_Panic> menu
[18:33] <BluesKaj> kb !de
[18:33] <BluesKaj> !de
[18:36] <vasy_> hi
[18:36] <vasy> hi
[18:36] <BluesKaj> Colonel_Panic, right click on the kicker icon and choose menu editor
[18:38] <anom01y> huys Im having an issue with my alsa. At first I was told to remove my tv tuner card because it might be confusing alsa, so I did that,
[18:38] <Colonel_Panic> OK I did that
[18:38] <Colonel_Panic> I edit the menu and hit nsave, but it doesn't make the changes
[18:38] <anom01y> but I still get the same problems, it seems as though flash videos kill alsa, then I use alsaconf to fix and it says "can't find any pnp devices"
[18:39] <anom01y> "no PNP or PCI card found"
[18:44] <Colonel_Panic> if I upgrade to KDE4, would that fix the problems?
[18:52] <anom01y> why do I have to reset the computer just to get alsa to work ????????
[18:54] <anom01y> alsa-conf doesnt detect anything, alsa force-reload does nothing... but if I reset, It will have around 75% chance of working
[18:56] <Colonel_Panic> if I upgrade to KDE4, will that be likely to solve my problems with the menu?
[18:58] <anom01y> Colonel_Panic: I've never been able to get any help here
[18:58] <anom01y> but whats the problem with the menu ?
[19:00] <Colonel_Panic> how reassuring
[19:00] <Colonel_Panic> I've gotten some help occasionally
[19:00] <anom01y> !alsa
[19:00] <Colonel_Panic> I can't edit my menu entries
[19:00] <Colonel_Panic> menu editor either doesn't work at all or it hangs when I hit the Save button
[19:00] <anom01y> ohh really thats weird, what about on another user ?
[19:01] <Colonel_Panic> I only have one user
[19:01] <Colonel_Panic> on the system
[19:01] <anom01y> hmm I had that problem once, trying to think what you could do to fix it
[19:01] <Colonel_Panic> shold I create another user space?
[19:02] <anom01y> you could try, and if that works
[19:02] <anom01y> hmm one sec..
[19:02] <anom01y> you might be able to copy ~/.kde from the new user to the current user (you'd have to change all the permissions over though)
[19:03] <anom01y> Colonel_Panic: was it always like that ?
[19:11] <TheMaxzilla> How do you get the Mac-like doc on Kubuntu / Ubuntu? What's the package name?
[19:12] <starenka> what is mac-like doc
[19:13] <bdizzle> I keep having this problem with the screensaver that when it asks me for my password to unlock, the screensaver goes over the password box, making me have to do it without being able to see the box
[19:14] <TheMaxzilla> starenka: It's exactly like this, on the bottom of the screen. ( http://blog.myfenris.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/desktop.png )
[19:15] <TheMaxzilla> I think it's what Macintosh computers have...
[19:15] <starenka> TheMaxzilla: you mean DOCK??
[19:15] <starenka> :))
[19:16] <TheMaxzilla> Whoops, yes. :D
[19:16] <starenka> AWN Dock
[19:16] <starenka> i guess
[19:16] <starenka> maybe there are more
[19:16] <Nece228> does ubuntu 8.10 will have better ati proprietary drivers?
[19:17] <starenka> TheMaxzilla: i stumbled upon one article.. lemme find it http://linuxondesktop.blogspot.com/2008/05/transforming-your-ubuntu-804-desktop-to.html
[19:17] <starenka> starenka: it metions awn dock too
[19:19] <avihayb> !ןך
[19:19] <avihayb> !il
[19:19] <TheMaxzilla> starenka: Thanks, it seems to work.
[19:20] <avihayb> !mythtv
[19:20] <avihayb> !mythubuntu
[19:20] <avihayb> mehh
[19:23] <Nece228> omg why mythbuntu theme have ripped xp zune style metacity theme
[19:24] <avihayb> to make it easyer to tansition from whatever the other thing is?
[19:29] <abaddon> hi
[19:29] <abaddon> what isbether qt3 or 4?
[19:30] <Nece228> abaddon: i think qt4
[19:32] <abaddon> Nece228: i try to build SuperKaramba and i have checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.3 and < 4.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[19:33] <abaddon> but when i install libqt4-drv i have still this error
[19:34] <abaddon> ok solved
[19:40] <SkEmO> bbl, have fun kthanksbye
[19:47] <aswin> hi how do i change the system sound in 8.04
[19:50] <artur_> When I try to start Kubuntu 8.04 in LiveCD mode, after choosing in the menu, is showed a screen having in the top the following:  BusyBox v1.1.2 (Debian 1:1.1.3-5ubuntu12) Built-in shell... and many other things. What is it?
[19:51] <floown> hello
[19:52] <floown> what should I install in KDE4 to have a nice design with some GTK application like Firefox ?
[19:53] <anshu> wow! I see questions, but no answers!
[19:53] <artur_> and (initramfs), that i can type commands after.
[19:55] <slow-motion> hi
[19:55] <anshu> hey slow motion
[19:56] <carutsu> hello, I'm using KDE4.1, how can I activate Key compositing?
[19:58] <carutsu> also known as "dead keys"
[20:16] <stinkyNygger> hi
[20:16] <stinkyNygger>  i have celeron with 512MB sdram and PCI nvidia card
[20:16] <stinkyNygger> what is the latest desktop cube/eye candy?  xgl, beryl, compiz ?
[20:16] <davidedmundson> compiz
[20:17] <stinkyNygger> davidedmundson:  thanx, why so many of them ?
[20:17] <davidedmundson> xgl is a technology that allows beryl/compiz to work. It is now built in
[20:17] <davidedmundson> so that leaves two
[20:17] <stinkyNygger> ahh
[20:17] <davidedmundson> there was compiz
[20:17] <davidedmundson> then some people wanted to have effects that made everything look like it was on fire all the time
[20:17] <davidedmundson> so the compiz people said "no, this is about usability fuck off"
[20:17] <stinkyNygger> id hate to spend a day figuring out how to install compiz and fiddling with linux shit. and then a week later a new one comes out.
[20:17] <davidedmundson> so they made beryl
[20:18] <davidedmundson> but in the process of adding all this "bling" they made the rest of it faster and better
[20:18] <davidedmundson> because of this it all formed back into one project
[20:18] <davidedmundson> simply "compiz"
[20:18] <stinkyNygger> oh ok
[20:18] <davidedmundson> so there's just one
[20:18] <stinkyNygger> thanx pal
[20:53] <artur_> When I try to start Kubuntu 8.04 in LiveCD mode, after choosing in the menu, is showed a screen having in the top the following:  BusyBox v1.1.2 (Debian 1:1.1.3-5ubuntu12) Built-in shell... and many other things. What is it?
[20:53] <artur_> and (initramfs), that i can type commands after.
[20:57] <MrKennie> artur_: might be worth selecting the "check cd for defects"
[21:00] <artur_> MrKennie: i think there's no defect cause i've used the same cd to install in my laptop, and now, i'm using the linux.
[21:02] <MrKennie> artur_: this might be of some help http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=834640
[21:03] <starenka> hi mounting a nfs share. exports are set as /print * (rw,no_root_squash,no_subtree_check,sync) target and source dirs have nobody:nogroup and 777. still if i mount the ntfs i cant write into the dir.. any clues?
[21:05] <artur_> MrKennie: Thanks.
[21:06] <emiliafaneite> hahaha
[21:08] <starenka> {bump} any clues? pretty plz
[21:12] <starenka> solved
[21:12] <starenka> sorry
[21:12] <starenka> :)
[21:13] <ibkanat> is there a reason that i cant access my dvd?  cd works fine but cant read dvd.  I installed the kubuntu restricted
[21:13] <ibkanat> could my fstab be messed up
[21:15] <MrKennie> doubt that
[21:15] <ibkanat> when I go to system settings disk filesystems it shows the drive but shows disabled when I go into administrator mode and clikc modify it gets enabled automatcially
[21:15] <ibkanat> but shows the device as proc
[21:15] <MrKennie> ibkanat: can you browse the dvd using dolphin file manager?
[21:16] <ibkanat> what should I do???? Been searching and searching
[21:16] <ibkanat> MrKennie no
[21:16] <ibkanat> libdvd read and nav are installed
[21:16] <MrKennie> ibkanat: is this a dvd movie?
[21:16] <ibkanat> Yeah
[21:17] <MrKennie> ibkanat: I see, use kaffeine and press the play dvd button
[21:17] <ibkanat> doesnt work
[21:17] <ibkanat> neither does vlc
[21:17] <ibkanat> used too
[21:17] <MrKennie> ibkanat: does it complain about libdvdcss?
[21:17] <ibkanat> did before doesnt now
[21:18] <MrKennie> you've added the medibuntu repository and installed libdvdcss2 right?
[21:18] <ibkanat> oh wait just put in a dvd data and dolphin reads
[21:19] <MrKennie> it should at least be able to browse even a movie
[21:19] <ibkanat> medibuntu?
[21:19] <MrKennie> !medibuntu | ibkanat
[21:20] <ibkanat> ahh
[21:20] <ibkanat> thanks
[21:20] <MrKennie> np
[21:24] <MrKennie> wow it's quiet in here tonight
[21:25] <davidedmundson> is anyone here running Intrepid?
[21:25] <MrKennie> not yet
[21:25] <MrKennie> not me anyway
[21:25] <mcas> hi
[21:26] <davfigue> not intrepid yet
[21:26] <mcas> i have a fresh intrepid installation and the color of my kde icon changes from blue to red to blue
[21:26] <mcas> can anyone tell me why i have this?
[21:26] <davidedmundson> mcas: fantastic. Could you bust open Dragon Player for me, and confirm it laods
[21:27] <mcas> davidedmundson: it loads
[21:27] <davidedmundson> thanks :-)
[21:27] <mcas> can you help me with my problem?
[21:27] <MrKennie> mcas: I think this is the wrong channel for intrepid related stuff
[21:27] <Daisuke_Ido> mcas, davidedmundson: intrepidhelp in #ubuntu+1
[21:28] <davidedmundson> is there a kubuntu+1 ?
[21:28] <Daisuke_Ido> no
[21:28] <Daisuke_Ido> they're the same OS
[21:28] <mcas> ok i have this problem with hardy, too :-)
[21:28] <Daisuke_Ido> just a different DE
[21:28] <Daisuke_Ido> mcas: no idea
[21:28] <davidedmundson> yeah I know, but if it's very KDE app specific questions, I can understand them getting annoyed
[21:28] <davidedmundson> me neither I'm afraid.
[21:29] <Daisuke_Ido> davidedmundson: if it's intrepid related, that's the place for it, whether gnome or kde
[21:29] <davidedmundson> ok. thanks
[22:02] <Gast111> entschuldigung , falscher channel schönen abend noch
[22:02] <artur_> I have a problem when a plug my USB Flashdisk. When I do this, that window where i select what i want to do (Open in a New Window, With DigiKam, ...), but when a choose Open in a New Window, the konqueror is started in the location "system:/media/sdb1" and an error dialog is showed with a message about "Denied Permissions". And then i have to mount in the Konsole and use 'kdesu konqueror /media/sdb1/' to be able to manage the Flash disk contents.
[22:06] <artur_> I have a problem when a plug my USB Flashdisk. When I do this, that window where i select what i want to do (Open in a New Window, With DigiKam, ...), but when a choose Open in a New Window, the konqueror is started in the location "system:/media/sdb1" and an error dialog is showed with a message about "Denied Permissions". And then i have to mount in the Konsole and use 'kdesu konqueror /media/sdb1/' to be able to manage the Flash disk contents.
[22:17] <user__> yo
[22:19] <ign0ramus> hey all.  stupid question - how do i stop the screen from going black after a certain amount of time (ie, 10 minutes)?  I've disabled the screen saver, but the display (laptop) will still turn off
[22:20] <ign0ramus> Power Manager doesn't seem to have an option for this
[22:20] <artur_> I have a problem when a plug my USB Flashdisk. When I do this, that window where i select what i want to do (Open in a New Window, With DigiKam, ...), but when a choose Open in a New Window, the konqueror is started in the location "system:/media/sdb1" and an error dialog is showed with a message about "Denied Permissions". And then i have to mount in the Konsole and use 'kdesu konqueror /media/sdb1/' to be able to manage the Flash disk contents.
[22:23] <Hamra> !pim
[22:23] <Hamra> !info kdepim
[22:25] <ign0ramus> artur_: what filesystem is the flash drive formatted as (NTFS, ext3, etc)?
[22:31] <sean> Hey, anyone here with a ATI Radeon 9200??
[22:31] <artur_> ign0ramus: I'm not sure, but as I often use it in windows of other computers , i guess it is NTFS or FAT
[22:31] <artur_> ign0ramus: how could i asure?
[22:32] <ign0ramus> artur_: if it is NTFS you, need ntfs-3g
[22:32] <ign0ramus> *  sudo apt-get install ntfs-3g  *
[22:32] <favro> sudo fdisk -l will tell what format it is
[22:33] <artur_> ign0ramus: i tried this command and i saw that i already have this installed here.
[22:33] <artur_> favro: thank's
[22:33] <favro> np
[22:34] <ign0ramus> artur_: have you tried chmod'ing?
[22:36] <ign0ramus> artur_: what filesystem is it?  from what i've read, you cannot set permissions on a FAT filesystem...
[22:36] <artur_> ign0ramus: /dev/sdb1               1        7872     2015216    e  W95 FAT16 (LBA)
[22:37] <artur_> ign0ramus: is it?  FAT16 =/  ?
[22:37] <ign0ramus> artur_: So it is FAT... that may be the problem.  Backup what you need on it, and reformat it as NTFS or FAT32
[22:37] <favro> artur_: in konsloe type   groups   and see if you are in plugdev group
[22:39] <artur_> favro:
[22:39] <artur_> $ groups
[22:39] <artur_> artur adm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev scanner lpadmin admin netdev powerdev
[22:39] <artur_> my username is 'artur'
[22:39] <ign0ramus> you are in plugdev.  that's good.
[22:40] <ign0ramus> artur_: are you able to copy the flash drive's contents and reformat?
[22:40] <artur_> ign0ramus: what i can't understand is that some time ago, the flash disk used to be mounted normally...
[22:40] <artur_> ign0ramus: yes, i could do this.
[22:40] <ign0ramus> artur: Upon reading the forums, some people have blamed kernel upgrades, but i'm not sure...
[22:43] <artur_> ign0ramus: oic. i'll try to reformat first.
[22:55] <favro> artur_: personally I wouldn't reformat - it won't help withe permissions - I would let the drive mount then do   sudo chown -Rv yourloginname:yourloginname /media/sdb1
[23:02] <artur_> favro: before, when the flash disk used to be mounted normally, a folder used to be created first with the device name and then the name showed was changed to pen drive's name. But now i even don't have a folder associated with the flash disk, so there's no /media/sdX
[23:03] <artur_> favro: so i did what you've suggested but with /dev/sdX, but nothing changed
[23:04] <favro> artur_: so you have to manually mount it?
[23:05] <artur_> favro: ok
[23:06] <favro> artur_: the drive is /dev/sdb1 - from sudo fdisk -l above ^ - so I would   sudo mkdir -v /media/flashdisk
[23:07] <favro> artur_: sudo mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /media/flashdisk
[23:07] <favro> to mount the disk in the new dir
[23:08] <favro> artur_: then   sudo chown -Rv yourloginname:yourloginname /media/flashdisk
[23:08] <favro> and it should be writable
[23:10] <MitsuoDeshoDesho> no sound
[23:10] <MitsuoDeshoDesho> any ideas?
[23:10] <favro> !sound
[23:12] <artur_> favro: when i tried this last command, a message about Error to change the own and about Operation not allowed was showed for each directory, sub-directory and files. Let's give up man. Thank's for the attention.
[23:12] <HenryHeron> Hi, can someone please tell me if once I install kubuntu desktop over my ubuntu 8.04.1, that: one, I am able to access my ubuntu installed programs: & two, if I can safely uninstall it if it (kubuntu) presents unforseen problems? Thanks.
[23:12] <favro> k
[23:12] <MitsuoDeshoDesho> got 2x HDA Intel(ALC883 Analog) both grayed out
[23:15] <artur_> favro: i'm very thankful for the attention!
[23:15] <favro> artur_: np :)
[23:15] <favro> MitsuoDeshoDesho: lsmod | grep intel  return anything?
[23:23] <MitsuoDeshoDesho> favro, yes, among the lines snd_hda_intel 344600 4
[23:24] <HenryHeron> Don't mean to be rude, but is there someone here who has a couple of minutes to answer a couple of ?s  ?
[23:26] <favro> MitsuoDeshoDesho: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=845331 - says solved
[23:26] <ign0ramus> HenryHeron: You can install kubuntu-desktop and still access all your regular files and you can uninstall with no repercussios
[23:27] <favro> HenryHeron: !puregnome
[23:27] <favro> oops
[23:27] <favro> !puregnome
[23:29] <HenryHeron> ign0ramus: Great, thank you... one more, I accidentally down loaded the kde desktop (with another kde program) & the installer would not install because of a conflict with GNOMEppp (I use dial-up) is there some way round this?
[23:30] <davidedmundson> HenryHeron: simple solution - uninstall the app it conflicted wtih.
[23:30] <ign0ramus> HenryHeron: You can use KPPP instead if you want to try Kubuntu out, and always go back to GNOMEppp if you don't like it
[23:30] <davidedmundson> conflicts are a mechanism of making sure you don't have two apps fight over something and do something silly
[23:30] <davidedmundson> write down everything you install/uninstall then you'll be fine :-)
[23:31] <HenryHeron> ign0ramus: & ubottu: & all Thanks much, I'll give it a try!
[23:31] <ign0ramus> HenryHeron: ubottu is a bot
[23:31] <ign0ramus> !botsnack
[23:31] <davidedmundson> :-)
[23:32] <davidedmundson> damn, a bot just made me laugh..
[23:32] <ign0ramus> gets me every time, as well :)
[23:32] <davidedmundson> does it have others?
[23:32] <davidedmundson> !botsnack
[23:32] <davidedmundson> aw
[23:33] <HenryHeron> ign0ramus: thanks for the warning, I won't take its advice too seriously :)
[23:33] <ign0ramus> tbh, i don't know that much about ubottu... but if its a typical IRC bot, here are some docs: http://l.armory.com/~cerise/cabinet
[23:34] <ign0ramus> HenryHeron: ubottu is a great reference point.  You can use it to find info about KDE apps and such
[23:34] <ign0ramus> !kde
[23:34] <davidedmundson> !kde4
[23:34] <davidedmundson> !dragonplayer
[23:35] <davidedmundson> !life, the universe and everything
[23:35] <HenryHeron> ign0ramus: I also just received the "live cd" is there a major updating after using this for install?
[23:36] <ign0ramus> HenryHeron: is it 8.04? Then yeah, there will be a bunch of package updates
[23:36] <ign0ramus> HenryHeron: if you have updated and upgraded in a few weeks, there will be a bunch of package updates, though.
[23:36] <ign0ramus> *if you haven't
[23:37] <HenryHeron> Yikes... it was a two & a half day down load with ubuntu 8.04!
[23:37] <ign0ramus> HenryHeron: You don't need to update at all if everything is working for you.  There are still plenty of people using Dapper.
[23:38] <HenryHeron> ign0ramus: Ok, thanks again, one & all, you too ubottu.
[23:39] <ign0ramus> np :)
[23:39] <anom01y> ok my alsa problem is really starting to get to me, too bad noone has the balls to help me
[23:39] <Daisuke_Ido> anom01y: your attitude sucks.
[23:39] <ign0ramus> anom01y: it's probably because you act like a douche
[23:40] <anom01y> yeah well its been like 5 months of asking nicely
[23:40] <master_> What the preferred virtual machine host on kubuntu?
[23:40] <anom01y> this channel has too many rules for asking questions
[23:40] <ign0ramus> master_: i don't know if there's a preferred one, but Virtualbox works very nicely
[23:40] <Daisuke_Ido> you ask the question and provide necessary detail
[23:40] <anom01y> I don't mean to be rude or anything, Im just frustrated
[23:40] <Daisuke_Ido> i fail to see what the problem is
[23:41] <ign0ramus> anom01y: there's not a whole lot of "rules" to ask a question
[23:41] <ign0ramus> anom01y: i guess "don't be a douche about it" may be the only one
[23:41] <anom01y> something keeps crashing my alsa, not sure what it is, but I cannot restart it from a shell, I am forced to restart the computer.
[23:42] <anom01y> my sound card is an onboard sound card (intel chipset),
[23:42] <ign0ramus> anom01y: even * sudo /etc/init.d/alsa restart * doesn't work?
[23:42] <master_> ign0ramus: On my previous system, installed and used virtualbox until a security patch came in and made my kernel incompatible with it... that sucked.. I had to get virtualbox from debian, to fix the problem.
[23:42] <anom01y> ign0ramus: no that does not work, neither does alsaconf
[23:43] <davidedmundson> what do you mean "crashes" are you sure alsad dies?
[23:43] <Daisuke_Ido> hasn't alsaconf not been included for some time?
[23:43] <ign0ramus> master_: i had that problem too... just get the latest Ubuntu package from Sun, and re-install, and everything worked fine for me
[23:43] <master_> ign0ramus: But now, I'm on the 64-bit kubuntu w/ kde 4 on my new 3 core AMD phenom w/ 4GB of RAM that I just put together..
[23:43] <ign0ramus> master_: kept Vbox users intact and everything
[23:43] <anom01y> well I just reset the computer, so it is working now, but I will see if I can recreate the problem
[23:44] <master_> ign0ramus: yep.. that's what i did.. maybe I'll just go get it from sun right now.
[23:44] <davidedmundson> you using KDE right?
[23:44] <davidedmundson> 3?
[23:44] <ign0ramus> master_: i'm not sure about 64bit... check the documentation
[23:45] <anom01y> yes I am using kde 3
[23:45] <davidedmundson> http://userbase.kde.org/ARts
[23:45] <davidedmundson> arts is rubbish, and can "take over" the sound card
[23:45] <davidedmundson> we can make arts give it up when it's not using it with this
[23:45] <anom01y> hmm, yeah sorry this problem is so complicated I don't know what questions to ask
[23:46] <davidedmundson> sound just "not working" isn't easy to diagnose, as sound goes through several systems and mixers and such
[23:46] <ign0ramus> Where would the crash log for Alsa be found? Anyone?
[23:47] <ign0ramus> anom01y: are you on a laptop or desktop?
[23:47] <anom01y> desktop
[23:47] <ign0ramus> anom01y: store-bought model? if so, what kind?
[23:47] <anom01y> I am trying to get it to crash again, but its not.
[23:47] <davidedmundson> intel cards do have a power save system - is that what you were getting at?
[23:47] <anom01y> hmm, no I built it myself, how can I get the name of the sound cards ?
[23:48] <anom01y> (card) ?
[23:48] <davidedmundson> lspci -vv
[23:48] <anom01y> do you think an onboard intel sound card would have a power save setting ?
[23:50] <anom01y> http://pastebin.ca/1195965
[23:51] <davidedmundson> bear with me, it's a long list..
[23:51] <ign0ramus> anom01y: Audio device: VIA Technologies, Inc. VIA High Definition Audio Controller (rev 10)
[23:51] <davidedmundson> oh at the bottom!
[23:52] <davidedmundson> that's not very intel sounding to me..
[23:52] <ign0ramus> not at all
[23:52] <ign0ramus> anom01y: does * lsmod | grep via * produce any more results?
[23:52] <davidedmundson> quite often devices get rebranded and labels get stuck on, that has little corellation with that the device actually is
[23:53] <anom01y> http://pastebin.ca/1195970
[23:54] <anom01y> also: I while back I was told it might be because my tv/tuner card is interfering, so I removed that yesterday, but it did not solve my problem.
[23:54] <master_> ign0ramus: I downloaded it for ubuntu 8.04 AMD64... How can I install it though? I forgot..
[23:55] <ign0ramus> master_: a .deb file?
[23:55] <davidedmundson> yeah, people use the word "might" because we have no specific idea, but a bunch of suggestions. and if one makes a difference then you can solve it
[23:55] <master_> ign0ramus: yes
[23:55] <ign0ramus> master_: *sudo dpkg -i <nameofpackage> *
[23:55] <davidedmundson> like how ign0ramus is going with the module is crashing theory, and I'm sticking with arts is hogging the soundcard.
[23:55] <davidedmundson> (btw, did you follow the instructions in my link)
[23:56] <davidedmundson> sound is odd in linux it goes
[23:56] <ign0ramus> davidedmundson: with the evidence given, it could be 100 different things
[23:56] <anom01y> when I try to fix the problem, alsaconf gives me "unable to detect any PNP or PCI cards", and Amarok says "unable to load any sound drivers"
[23:56] <davidedmundson> player -> mixer-> alsa-> driver -> device...
[23:56] <davidedmundson> any of those could fix that.
[23:56] <anom01y> so its like the soundcard is being removed from the computer when the computer is on.
[23:57] <ign0ramus> anom01y: what settings do you have applied in KControl?
[23:57] <anom01y> Kcontrol it is set to Alsa
[23:57] <fannagoganna> a hack -- manually change the permissions on the device
[23:57] <fannagoganna> change to 777 or something like that
[23:57] <ign0ramus> anom01y: and if you set it to "autodetect", does it make a difference?
[23:57] <master_> ign0ramus: ok.. it says it installed, but I entered "virtualbox" on the konsole and it claims virtualbox is not installed
[23:58] <davidedmundson> if that was the issue surely alsaconf (which asks to be run as root) would still find it
[23:58] <davidedmundson> *shrug*
[23:58] <fannagoganna> sound on linux: still voodoo
[23:58] <ign0ramus> master_: if it installed properly, there should be a link to the program in Kmenu > System
[23:58] <fannagoganna> as in, if it does not work out of the box, good luck debugging
[23:59] <anom01y> is there an alsa log file ?
[23:59] <master_> ign0ramus: no such item on kmenu, but I found it using alt-f2 (KDE 4 is pretty cool)
[23:59] <ign0ramus> master_: Try "VirtualBox" -- case sensitive
[23:59] <davidedmundson> run dmesg
[23:59] <davidedmundson> if anything..
[23:59] <master_> ign0ramus: that was it
[23:59] <ign0ramus> :-)