[00:05] <dashavoo> Wow, I am sleepy!
[00:05] <_Zeus_> :P
[00:05] <dupondje> mmm
[00:06] <dupondje> fixxed fglrx
[00:06] <dupondje> just some :)
[00:06] <emma> Hi. Every time I start FireFox and then try to go to YouTube at http://youtube.com, the browser crashes. Is there a log or any other vital information I should include in an effective bug report for this? I am running 64 bit Ubuntu Intrepid.
[00:07] <ethana21> I'm torrenting alpha 5 now-- is the partitioner safe enough to let it touch my hard drive?
[00:07] <_Zeus_> sort of
[00:07] <ethana21> I have an unformatted partition ready for it, it'd just need to format it and install to it
[00:07] <_Zeus_> partitioning is always risky though
[00:07] <ethana21> sort of?
[00:07] <_Zeus_> partitioning is ALWAYS risky
[00:07] <ethana21> well it doesn't have to so much as touch my other ones..
[00:07] <ethana21> hmmmmm
[00:07] <_Zeus_> i think you'll be fine
[00:08] <ethana21> heh
[00:08] <_Zeus_> the real risk would be resizing partitions
[00:08] <ethana21> yes.
[00:08] <ethana21> and i did all that already
[00:08] <_Zeus_> if you're not doing that, don't worry about it
[00:08] <ethana21> ok sweet
[00:08] <Raspberry> since I installed Alpha 5 whenever I start Firefox it takes me to an ubuntu page asking for my credit card information... are you starting to charge for Ubuntu in the next release?!
[00:08] <_Zeus_> Raspberry: ????
[00:08] <_Zeus_> where did you get a5 from???
[00:08] <ethana21> haha
[00:09] <ethana21> i hope that's a joke..
[00:09] <_Zeus_> Raspberry: where did  you get a5 from??
[00:09] <dashavoo> lol
[00:09] <dashavoo> I am intrigued by this
[00:09] <_Zeus_> ...
[00:09] <_Zeus_> where is he?
[00:09] <ethana21> *headdesk*
[00:10] <ethana21> Raspberry: you're not messing with us, are you?
[00:10] <ethana21> where did you get your disc image?
[00:10] <void^> troll alert, take cover.
[00:10] <_Zeus_> !danger
[00:10] <Raspberry> ubuntu.net
[00:10] <_Zeus_> :P
[00:10] <_Zeus_> Raspberry: the ubuntu site is ubuntu.com
[00:10] <Raspberry> I googled Ubuntu Alpha 5 download
[00:10] <_Zeus_> ubuntu.net is also legit
[00:10] <ethana21> it redirects, yeah
[00:10] <_Zeus_> send us the link of exactly where you got it
[00:11] <Raspberry> I'm just giving you guys crap -- I've been asking a single question on and off for the last 6 hrs  and thought I'd see if anybody was paying attention :P
[00:11] <_Zeus_> wow
[00:11] <ethana21> *sigh*
[00:11] <_Zeus_> how did i know? :-/
[00:11] <ethana21> expected as much
[00:11] <_Zeus_> what's the question?
[00:12] <_Zeus_> wow.  he gets our attention to ask the question than disappears!
[00:12] <Raspberry> Since I updated to the latest kernel ~3 days ago running Alpha 4 -- I can't start a user session... I tried creating a new user... deleting the user directory contents... it'll login through gdm, create some directories in the user directory like .gnome2 , but then it'll just hang there :P
[00:12] <_Zeus_> ahh
[00:12] <_Zeus_> Raspberry: update to a5
[00:12] <_Zeus_> fresh install
[00:13] <Raspberry> yeah
[00:13] <Raspberry> that's what I'm doing -- just burned the ISO
[00:13] <_Zeus_> that should fiz it
[00:13] <_Zeus_> *fix
[00:13] <dupondje> *  fglrx (8.522)...                                                                                                                                                                                                                         fglrx (8.522): Installing module.
[00:13] <dupondje> ........
[00:13] <dupondje> ......
[00:13] <dupondje>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       [ OK ]
[00:13] <Raspberry> a5 wasn't released until a couple of hrs ago
[00:13] <ethana21> Zeus: I aliased 'install' to 'sudo apt-get install' -- is there any good reason not to do this?
[00:13] <dupondje> sweet :)
[00:13] <_Zeus_> ethana21: that's what i do
[00:13] <ethana21> 'install pidgin' installs pidgin.   'install sunbird'  installs sunbird..
[00:13] <_Zeus_> :P
[00:13] <ethana21> ah
[00:13] <ethana21> wow
[00:14] <_Zeus_> hehe
[00:14] <ethana21> ok yeah, why isn't that the default?
[00:14]  * DanaG prefers aptitude
[00:14] <_Zeus_> i dunno but it's way nicer
[00:14] <ethana21> yes it is
[00:14] <Raspberry> so that wasn't an option :P  -- I can't seem to get DHCP working from the console using my wireless nic either -- it sees the wlan0 and ESSID... but nothing :P  I'll see if that changes with a5
[00:14] <crdlb> ethana21: /usr/bin/install perhaps?
[00:14] <ethana21> i did the same with 'uninstall' 'update' 'upgrade'..
[00:14] <_Zeus_> i also use remove=sudo apt-get remove
[00:14] <dashavoo> install is already a command
[00:14] <ethana21> well i saw that
[00:14] <ethana21> but what Human Being uses /that/?
[00:14] <_Zeus_> dashavoo: yeah but no one ever uses it
[00:14] <DanaG> some SCRIPTS use it.
[00:14] <ethana21> yes
[00:14] <DanaG> Which ones?  I haven't a clue.
[00:14] <ethana21> aliases don't touch scripts
[00:14] <dashavoo> _Zeus_, I knew that I had never used it, didn't know what it did though so I wouldn't have aliased over the top of it
[00:15] <ethana21> ...which can actually be a pain..
[00:15] <Raspberry> I use apt-get all the tie
[00:15] <ethana21> dashavoo: it can't break it though
[00:15] <ethana21> scripts don't go through aliases
[00:15] <_Zeus_> well, i've been doing it for over a year and never had a problem
[00:15] <dashavoo> ethana21, true
[00:15] <ethana21> 'course, the second you use 'sudo', all your aliases don't work for you
[00:15] <ethana21> or in my case
[00:15] <ethana21> 'frigging'
[00:15]  * DanaG uses aptitude
[00:16] <Raspberry> is there a preferred way to get a tablet device detected / working with 8.10 -- or should I just keep modifying the xorg.conf
[00:16] <dashavoo> ethana21, you aliased frigging to sudo?
[00:16] <_Zeus_> i just wish there was a way to have the alias use tabcompletion
[00:16] <ethana21> yes
[00:16] <dashavoo> lmao
[00:16] <_Zeus_> HAHAHA
[00:16] <dashavoo> thats brilliant
[00:16] <_Zeus_> frigging rm x
[00:16] <_Zeus_> lol
[00:16] <ethana21> i also aliased 'murder' to sudo killall
[00:16] <_Zeus_> hahaha
[00:17] <ethana21> i have a number of personality enhancing aliases on this machine
[00:17] <crdlb> -_-
[00:17]  * crdlb thinks being productive on other systems is important
[00:17]  * ethana21 got an ubuntu dell laptop so he never /has/ to
[00:17] <_Zeus_> any other good ones? :P
[00:18] <ethana21> i'd do the basics too, but they don't work with frigging
[00:18] <ethana21> 'remove' and such
[00:18] <_Zeus_> does anyone know how to get tabcompletion to work on an aliaas?
[00:18] <_Zeus_> i'm guessing there's no way
[00:18] <_Zeus_> sometimes i have to use sudo apt-get install just to get the tabcompletion
[00:19] <dashavoo> Probably have to manually edit some files... man I hate touchpads, I keep typing all over the place
[00:19] <_Zeus_> i figured
[00:19] <_Zeus_> does anyone know how to disable the system bell in 8.10?
[00:19] <_Zeus_> it used to be in Preferences > Sound
[00:20] <ethana21> 44 minutes remaining on 8.10a5 torrent
[00:20] <_Zeus_> just download it direct
[00:20] <_Zeus_> it took me like 10m
[00:20] <dashavoo> and then seed
[00:20] <ethana21> right
[00:20] <ethana21> It's friday night, so I can seed for a few hours no problem
[00:21] <_Zeus_> no one knows how to change the system bell?
[00:21] <ethana21> 9 Mbit cox cable connection, don't know the up speed though
[00:21] <dashavoo> _Zeus_, what do you want to do?
[00:21] <_Zeus_> stop this frigging blinking screen
[00:21] <_Zeus_> it used to be in Preferences > Sound
[00:21] <Raspberry> dang it ... my bios doesn't detect my USB CDROM, but it works fine w/USB flash... lame
[00:22] <dashavoo> _Zeus_, ...
[00:22] <DanaG> My BIOS does the same...
[00:22] <DanaG> can boot USB HDD or Floppy or "Stick" -- but not CDROM.
[00:22] <Raspberry> I've got a Thinkpad X61t
[00:22] <dashavoo> _Zeus_, is it juts a problem in gnome-terminal?
[00:22] <dashavoo> excuse my spelling... it is the damn touchpads fault
[00:22] <Raspberry> I installed a4 with a USB stick, but just bought a LG Slim USB CDROM for this thing :p
[00:23] <DanaG> Laptop I shall be getting (as soon as HP opens the customize-to-order option, grrr!): HP EliteBook 8530w.
[00:23] <_Zeus_> dashavoo: no no
[00:23] <_Zeus_> you know when you get a system bell it beeps or flashes the screen or stuff?
[00:23] <dashavoo> yeah, but, there is an option in gnome-teminal to turn it off
[00:24] <dashavoo> I think
[00:24] <dashavoo> i remember having it on myself once, and that is the only place I can think of that I might have trned it on
[00:25] <_Zeus_> dashavoo: in 8.04 it was under Preferences > Sound
[00:25] <dashavoo> hmm... no idea then
[00:31] <dashavoo> Does bluetooth work any better in alpha5?
[00:38] <emma> I'm running Ubuntu Intrepid 64 bit and I'm getting a lot of these errors while running FireFox
[00:38] <emma> *** NSPlugin Wrapper *** ERROR: NPP_HandleEvent() invoke: Connection closed
[00:38] <emma> *** NSPlugin Wrapper *** ERROR: NPP_GetValue() invoke: Connection closed
[00:38] <emma> *** NSPlugin Wrapper *** WARNING: unhandled variable 11 in NPP_GetValue()
[00:38] <_Zeus_> where do you see that?
[00:48] <Raspberry> hmm... the Install app doesn't seem to work on the alpha5 amd64 desktop cd
[00:49] <Raspberry> spins up the CDROM but then nothing happens
[00:51] <dashavoo> Raspberry, that happened to me at first
[00:51] <dashavoo> take the cd out and put it back in and try again
[00:52] <dashavoo> I thought it was just my cd or my drive
[00:52] <Raspberry> i just tried for a 3rd time and it worked
[00:52] <dashavoo> funny, 3rd time lucky was mine too
[00:52] <Raspberry> I didn't take the CD out
[00:53] <dashavoo> correlation! =causation, as they say
[00:56] <Raspberry> the new partition prepartion section of the installer is a bit confusing
[00:56] <Raspberry> it wants to set the size of any partition to the used space
[00:57] <woogens> I just installed it, too -- using the amd64 desktop cd. Works pretty good, so far.
[00:58] <Raspberry> cool it's got a migrator now
[00:58] <Raspberry> and it understands vista
[00:59] <Raspberry> last time I did a net install with a4
[01:09] <doggymenz> what name is opengl library used for build opengl app?
[01:15] <crdlb> doggymenz: depends on the opengl implementation you're using
[01:15] <crdlb> for mesa users, it's libgl1-mesa-dev
[01:15] <crdlb> for nvidia users, append '-dev' to the driver package name
[01:17] <Raspberry> hmm
[01:17] <Raspberry> alpha5 didn't mount my existing home dir
[01:17] <Raspberry> even after I told it to
[01:17] <dashavoo> Well I am off to bed
[01:17] <dashavoo> night
[01:18] <doggymenz> oh
[01:19] <Raspberry> i tried to umount /home -- said it wasn't mounted... did a mount /home ... that worked fine
[01:19] <Raspberry> i didn't edit the fstab or anything ... so not sure why it wouldn't mount on boot
[01:24] <Raspberry> lol.. random screensaver always produces the same "random" screensaver
[01:27] <ethana21> gahh
[01:27] <ethana21> no colemak keymap option on the intrepid cd
[01:28]  * ethana21 can't wait 'till he doesn't have to screw with a fresh ubuntu install for it to be usable
[01:28] <ethana21> ....checking integrity....
[01:29] <ethana21> i must say though, i'm not seeing five loading bars scattered over the screen
[01:29] <ethana21> i do find that more confidence-inducin
[01:30] <_Zeus_> the a5 partition resizer seems buggy
[01:30] <_Zeus_> it seems to want to resize partitions even though you don't want i to
[01:30] <Raspberry> yup
[01:30] <ethana21> *headdesk*
[01:30] <Raspberry> it doesn't though
[01:30] <_Zeus_> yeah
[01:30] <ethana21> hmmmmmm
[01:31] <_Zeus_> but it definately has issues
[01:31] <ethana21> ohhh
[01:31] <ethana21> null resize
[01:31] <Raspberry> however it lists my /home partition in the fstab , but it won't mount it automatically
[01:31] <ethana21> where it says it's going to do all this stuff, but it does it with 0 values
[01:31] <_Zeus_> post the line from the fstab
[01:31] <ethana21> well, the disc is sound
[01:31] <ethana21> time to reboot and install it
[01:31]  * ethana21 reboots
[01:31] <Raspberry> if I "sudo mount /home" that works :p
[01:31] <_Zeus_> just paste the line from the fstab
[01:32] <_Zeus_> there could be an option there
[01:33] <Raspberry> UUID=a49e29fe-2ad2-47ae-b15f-74830f31c748 /home ext3 relatime 0 2
[01:33] <Raspberry> sorry I had to retype it
[01:33] <_Zeus_> np
[01:33] <_Zeus_> hmm looks fine
[01:33] <Raspberry> yeah I know :P
[01:33] <_Zeus_> i dunno sry
[01:33] <_Zeus_> !google :-P
[01:33] <Raspberry> I'm thinking of changing the UUID to /dev/sda5
[01:33] <_Zeus_> bbl
[01:33] <_Zeus_> ?
[01:33] <_Zeus_> oops
[01:33] <_Zeus_> !google
[01:33] <_Zeus_> bbl
[01:33] <Raspberry> cya
[01:35] <Raspberry> this "NewHuman" chocolate mudslide has got to go
[01:40] <doggymenz> alpha5 is out finaly, wooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[01:41] <Raspberry> it's not that exciting
[01:43] <doggymenz> in 'Fast User Switch Applet' anyone notie you have icon and can choose online, away, busy, offline, etc?
[01:43] <doggymenz> what is this?
[01:43] <Awsoonn> yo, wondering abotu an NM issue here
[01:44] <Awsoonn> I have my network settings set up in /etc/network/interfaces, but they are totaly ignored in intrepid, as are the manual settigns in NM-applet, is this a new bug?
[01:47] <jStefan> yes it is!
[01:47] <jStefan> :P
[01:50] <ethana2> ok, so I'm on the alpha 5 livecd right now
[01:50] <ethana2> i was under the understanding that nautilus was finally getting column view like Finder
[01:50] <ethana2> could someone help me find it?
[01:52] <mneptok> ethana2: is "View As Compact Icons" in your Nautilus view menu?
[01:52]  * mneptok isn;t running Intrepid yet
[01:53] <ethana2> icons, list, compact
[01:53] <mneptok> "compact" is what you want, i think
[01:53] <ethana2> no i mean like
[01:53] <ethana2> you have a list of everything in whatever folder down the left
[01:53] <mneptok> http://blogs.gnome.org/cneumair/files/2008/02/screenshot-compact-icons.png
[01:53] <ethana2> you click something and it makes another one just to the right displaying everything in /that/ folder
[01:54] <ethana2> and so on and so forth
[01:55] <ethana2> here...
[01:55] <ethana2> http://www.macretard.com/images/finder_columns.png
[01:55] <ethana2> I thought they were doing this
[01:55] <ethana2> I was looking forward to it a lot
[01:56] <ethana2> http://www.time-tripper.com/uipatterns/Patterns/Cascading_Lists/osx-finder.gif
[02:09] <lubosz> is gfxboot standard in intrepid?
[02:10] <Ienorand> Does hibernate to swapfile work as of today?
[02:10] <lubosz> didnt that work in hardy already?
[02:11] <lubosz> or where did he wrote the status to?
[02:12] <lubosz> brb fresh install a5
[02:12] <Ienorand> I haven't tried hibernate to swapfile in any version, is it supposed to work?
[02:13] <XGas> only one way to find out
[02:14] <XGas> Test it.
[02:14] <XGas> or ask someone who has similar specs configuration as your computer for the result
[02:14] <Ienorand> XGas: I guess, since I do have a hardy install...
[02:16] <XGas> I looked into how they do suspend to disk, I am SURPRISED, that it even /works/.
[02:16] <XGas> engineering madness, MADNESS
[02:17] <XGas> btw, works on my laptop, Dell XPS M1210
[02:17] <XGas> with NVIDIA GeForce Go 7400 :\
[02:19] <jStefan> does it automatically pick where to suspend to ?
[02:19] <jStefan> 'hibernate'
[02:20] <XGas> where to suspend to? I thought Ubuntu uses the swap space to do it?
[02:20] <ethana2> swap makes sense for suspend, but not hibernate
[02:20] <Ienorand> XGas: You using swap file or partition?
[02:21] <XGas> Ienorand: swap in LVM.
[02:22] <Ienorand> XGas: That would be a "partition" for the acronym-unsavvy?
[02:22] <XGas> yeah.
[02:23] <XGas> its not really partition see......
[02:25] <Ienorand> Well, I've read here and there that Hib+swapfile doesn't work in hardy... So I guess I'll have to go with swap in lvm for a while longer.
[02:25] <jStefan> if swap > physical memory, it makes sense
[02:25] <jStefan> otherwise :(
[02:26] <Ienorand> (It shows up in gparted, it's a partition afaik :) )
[02:28] <Ienorand> jStefan: Yea, I plan on buffing up with 6GB swap :D
[02:29] <jStefan> i've upgraded my hardware since my 1st install (except the hard drive) and my swap has gone small now
[02:30] <jStefan> in comparison
[02:31] <x1250> 6GB swap? what are do doing that you need so much swap? and how much ram do you have?
[02:33] <Ienorand> x1250: Probably nothing, but I don't think I'll fill the disk anyway, and I could always shrink it if I don't need it...
[02:33] <jStefan> if he wants to hibernate he will surely need more swap than ram
[02:34] <Ienorand> x1250: I've got 3gb (4, actually, but 32bit) so I'll need at least 3.5 someth...
[02:34] <jStefan> at least linux (unlike other OSs) is efficient about swap :P
[02:35] <Ienorand> jStefan: Hmm, in my opinion not very efficient if you have to dedicate a partition (or part in lvm or whatever...)
[02:35] <x1250> oh
[02:37] <Ienorand> omg: hax0r!!
[02:39] <jStefan> personally i don't like the idea of swap for modern computers, swap was invented at a time where large sums of ram was a ridiculous concept. Now a days you can simply get MORE ram. :)
[02:40] <Ienorand> jStefan: Well, there's the limit at 3gb unless you switch to the 64-side....
[02:41] <Ienorand> Hmm... so that leaves 234G after triple boot... should be alright for data partition...
[02:46] <mneptok> jStefan: swap is crucial for sleep/hibernate on laptops
[02:46] <ethana2> mneptok: hibernate should be done with a file
[02:47] <jStefan> file :: swap    (same thing)   ;)
[02:47] <ethana2> no
[02:47] <ethana2> i may have 3 os'es installed, and i am sticking to one swap partition
[02:47] <ethana2> because that puts me at a total of 4 partitions
[02:47] <ethana2> don't want to bother with logical
[02:47] <Ienorand> ethana2: Should, but isn't, unfortunately...
[02:47] <ethana2> anything that won't work with that is fail
[02:48] <jStefan> then it should be configurable, but nothing should be forced
[02:48] <ethana2> lenorand: i put a brainstorm thing up on that
[02:48] <ethana2> i think it died
[02:48] <ethana2> jStefan: i agree.
[02:48] <ethana2> suspend to swap
[02:48] <ethana2> hibernate to file
[02:48] <jStefan> suspend should be to memory, that's the whole idea of it
[02:49] <jStefan> the memory stays powered
[02:49] <ethana2> but if it loses power...
[02:49] <jStefan> dont loose it :P
[02:49] <ethana2> isn't there some 'sleep' thing?
[02:50] <ethana2> where it suspends to RAM and swap, and after x minutes shuts down
[02:50] <ethana2> so it's just to swap
[02:50] <Ienorand> ethana2: Aleady is: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/8092/
[02:50] <jStefan> what if you loose power while working on an important document ?
[02:50] <ethana2> ..then it's in swap.
[02:50] <jStefan> i mean while it's on
[02:50] <ethana2> oh sorry, laptop here
[02:50] <ethana2> that's what autosave is for
[02:50] <jStefan> computers are not supposed to loose power unexpectedly
[02:51] <ethana2> ....again, laptop for the win
[02:51] <jStefan> i have a UPS
[02:51] <ethana2> good for you
[02:51] <ethana2> 5 minutes should come standard in every desktop psu.
[02:51] <ethana2> a laptop can do 180 minutes
[02:51] <Raspberry> what about when you are in suspend and your battery gets so low that the power will die
[02:51] <ethana2> don't tell me a desktop can't do 5
[02:51] <Ienorand> ethana2: Heh, first thing I did when I got the new laptop is to remove battery ;)
[02:52] <ethana2> Raspberry: then your session is in swap
[02:52] <ethana2> lenorand: i did that, then tripped over the power cord and lost my session
[02:52] <Raspberry> it transitions it to hibernate?
[02:52] <ethana2> Raspberry: it should, yes
[02:52] <ethana2> suspend to both RAM and swap
[02:52] <ethana2> then if you do lose power, you still have your session, it just takes a few seconds longer to get back into
[02:52] <Raspberry> suspend hasn't been working for me on 8.10 yet
[02:53] <Raspberry> worked fine on 7.10 and worked for a while on 8.04
[02:53] <Ienorand> ethana2: Ouch, gotta duckttape the power cord to the lappy then :)
[02:53] <ethana2> yeah, no
[02:53] <Raspberry> i tore the ethernet port out of my old laptop
[02:54] <Raspberry> because I was giving a presentation and forgot it was plugged in
[02:54] <Raspberry> and went to take it off the podium
[02:55] <Raspberry> toshiba m200...
[02:58] <lubosz> hi, i installed a5 without a boot loader
[02:59] <lubosz> how can i tell my old boot loader to update menu.lst?
[03:00] <XGas> lubosz: Do your homework? roflmao, just kidding
[03:01] <XGas> lubosz: Do you have a separate /boot partition? And had you use it for Intrepid?
[03:01] <lubosz> no the boot partition is my old hardy partition i'm currently in
[03:01] <lubosz> but i want to install grub on the intrepid one
[03:03] <XGas> ok, this will take some explaining about what I really asked about....
[03:03] <XGas> never mind.
[03:03] <XGas> lubosz: Boot into your hardy install
[03:03] <XGas> open a terminal
[03:03] <XGas> and mount that partition you had intrepid install on
[03:03] <XGas> if you do it via the GUI, it will be mounted in /media
[03:04] <lubosz> i wonder what you think you really asked, i think i answered it :D
[03:04] <lubosz> k, skip the mounting part
[03:04] <lubosz> but thx for taking some time for my problem :D
[03:05] <XGas> lubosz: then do this in terminal: grub-install --root-directory=/media/somewhere/
[03:06] <XGas> lubosz: You don't really need to install the boot loader to the partition you have Intrepid on.
[03:06] <lubosz> hm, wont this do a collision with the intrepids apt?
[03:06] <lubosz> k
[03:06] <lubosz> i wonder if i need the grub package in the intrepid package manager
[03:06] <XGas> lubosz: you can update the grub menu.lst, you have to do this manually.
[03:07] <lubosz> and it will lie on my old partition?
[03:07] <XGas> manually as in edit in a text editor.
[03:07] <lubosz> i did this, thx
[03:07] <lubosz> but it will be on the old partiton?
[03:08] <lubosz> the menu.lst
[03:08] <XGas> lubosz: Ok, just do: sudo update-grub
[03:08] <lubosz> k, thx this is what i looked for :D
[03:08] <XGas> lubosz: The menu.lst is just used for boot options
[03:08] <lubosz> lets see what he finds
[03:08] <lubosz> yes, but it has to be on some partition
[03:08] <lubosz> i wanted to migrate it to the intrepid in long term
[03:09] <lubosz> when i delete the old partiton after some time
[03:09] <XGas> lubosz: Easy, install grub when you booted into intrepid
[03:10] <lubosz> nice, grub found some old kernels
[03:10] <lubosz> 2.6.24-19 ^^
[03:10] <lubosz> but no intrepid
[03:10] <Raspberry> which desktop search is built into 8.10
[03:10] <lubosz> but i didnt install grub to its partition
[03:14] <lubosz> i did, via sudo grub-install /dev/sdaX
[03:14] <lubosz> but no .27 kernels in the list :/
[03:16] <_Zeus_> hehe.  alpha with intrepid-proposed and intrepid-backports FTW :D
[03:19] <ethana2> time to boot back into hardy
[03:19] <ethana2> keep up the good work, all
[03:28] <lubosz> k, wrote the menu.lst myself, lets try it ^^ XGas thx
[03:28] <XGas> ok.
[03:28] <XGas> ah
[04:06] <lubosz> hi
[04:06] <lubosz> any luck compiling the nvidia driver with the new kernel?
[04:07] <lubosz> the one from the repos doesnt really work for me
[04:07] <lubosz> the .com does not compile
[04:07] <lubosz> great :/
[04:07] <Jordan_U> lubosz: Why do you think the version in the repos doesn't work :)
[04:08] <lubosz> hm, maybe cause my resolution is 640*480 max and the error message while starting gdm
[04:08] <crdlb> lubosz: what card?
[04:08] <lubosz> tried the generaded xorg.conf, my good old xorg.conf from the hardy times, 177 (beta) and 173
[04:08] <lubosz> 8600 GS
[04:09] <crdlb> the specifics of the xorg.conf are pretty much irrelevent as long as it says Driver "nvidia"
[04:10] <crdlb> you should check the /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old for the error after trying the nvidia driver in the repos
[04:11] <crdlb> and if that doesn't show the nvidia driver starting, you can stop gdm and run startx manually
[04:12] <lubosz> lol, canonical codec store btw?
[04:12] <lubosz> crdlb: thx i try that
[04:15] <RAOF> crdlb: Actually, tche specifics of the xorg.conf can be important; I've seen a couple with an explicit modeline for 640x480, a virtual size of 640x480, and 640x480 being the only specified resolution ;)
[04:15] <lubosz> (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)
[04:15] <lubosz> this is what i get
[04:16] <crdlb> RAOF: ok, well I meant that the xorg.conf should be blank other than that :>
[04:16] <RAOF> crdlb: Right :)
[04:17] <crdlb> lubosz: and it says "VESA" a bunch of times below that in the log on the left side?
[04:18] <lubosz> crdlb: yes
[04:18] <lubosz> (II) VESA(0): VESA VBE OEM: NVIDIA
[04:18] <lubosz> etc
[04:18] <crdlb> RAOF: so, does bulletproofX still clobber the X log in intrepid? :)
[04:19] <RAOF> Bulletproof X hasn't triggered for me in Intrepid.
[04:19] <RAOF> I don't know.
[04:19] <crdlb> so make it trigger!!!
[04:20] <lubosz>  Bulletproof X started for me
[04:20] <RAOF> crdlb: I mean - when X fails to start, bulletproof X isn't triggered.
[04:20] <crdlb> lubosz: well, lacking any negative confirmation, let's assume it's still broken
[04:20] <crdlb> RAOF: ah
[04:20] <crdlb> lubosz: make sure your xorg.conf says Driver "nvidia" in the Device section
[04:21] <lubosz> k
[04:21] <crdlb> then sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop (or kdm if you use kubuntu), which will drop you to a terminal
[04:21] <crdlb> from there, run 'startx'
[04:21] <crdlb> and if it fails, copy the /var/log/Xorg.0.log to your home dir before restarting gdm
[04:21] <danbhfive> anyone know how to program c?   I know its offtopic, but, actually, its not
[04:21] <crdlb> (sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start)
[04:22] <danbhfive> I need help with some c errors
[04:22] <lubosz> crdlb: k, brb
[04:23] <crdlb> danbhfive: sounds pretty offtopic to me ... (and this lovely network has a ##C channel)
[04:24] <crdlb> unless your problem is with building some C code written by someone else on intrepid (ie finding the right library headers)
[04:24] <danbhfive> well, its c code written by someone else, but not for ubuntu.  But, I want it to work on ubuntu
[04:24] <danbhfive> I think its a library
[04:25] <crdlb> linky?
[04:25] <danbhfive> http://lists.zerezo.com/video4linux/msg23002.html
[04:25] <danbhfive> the attachment
[04:26] <danbhfive> lol, I bet its a long shot, because its not even a maintained project, BUT, I think it would get my webcam working
[04:26] <RAOF> I suspect not.
[04:26] <Jordan_U> danbhfive: You are using an app that only supports v4l1?
[04:26] <RAOF> What do you have that only support v4l version 1?
[04:26] <danbhfive> I think everything in ubuntu only supports v4l 1, except ekiga
[04:27] <RAOF> Define "everything"?
[04:27] <danbhfive> camorama is one that I think only supports v4l
[04:27] <danbhfive> I tried cheese
[04:27] <danbhfive> and xawtv
[04:27] <RAOF> (Which works just fine with my v4l2 device)
[04:28] <bsnider> RAOF, which device is that?
[04:28] <Jordan_U> cheese ( gstreamer ) supports v4l2
[04:28] <danbhfive> does camorama?  I ran it in debug mode, and its running a v4l version 1 only directive/command/whatever you call it
[04:29] <RAOF> Or, rather, I have a crazy syntek webcam built in to this laptop, and (once the driver was actually working) it's always worked with everything I've tried.
[04:29] <danbhfive> but my webcam is v4l2 only, it doesnt support version 1
[04:29] <danbhfive> at least I think
[04:29] <RAOF> As is mine.
[04:30] <RAOF> I think it's more likely that your webcam driver doesn't work properly.
[04:31] <danbhfive> how would that happen?
[04:31] <RAOF> By being a webcam?  They're not very well supported, generally.
[04:31] <bsnider> is there one or one line of them that are really well supported?
[04:31] <danbhfive> well, I bought this one because its listed as being fully supported on linux  : (
[04:32] <RAOF> Ah, right.  Well...
[04:32] <lubosz> crdlb: http://pastebin.ca/1195494
[04:32] <RAOF> Trying to shim in a v4l compatibility layer is unlikely to make anything work :)
[04:32] <lubosz> it didnt start the driver
[04:32] <danbhfive> lol, ok
[04:33] <RAOF> danbhfive: So, it doesn't work in cheese?  Do you get any error messages when starting cheese from the terminal?
[04:33] <danbhfive> well, I guess there is always windows, cause I'm out of ideas
[04:33] <crdlb> lubosz: so you have an InputDevice line in your ServerLayout section referring to a section which doesn't exist
[04:33] <RAOF> danbhfive: But we haven't actually tried _any_ troubleshooting yet.
[04:33] <danbhfive> RAOF: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/43810/
[04:35] <RAOF> danbhfive: Hm.  Doesn't seem to be any video errors there.  Let's see...
[04:35] <lubosz> crdlb: its only the touchpad... and im using it right now :/
[04:35] <lubosz> http://pastebin.ca/1195496   <= the one with bulletproofx
[04:35] <RAOF> danbhfive: Can you run "gstreamer-properties", go to the "video" tab, and check the default video input?
[04:35] <danbhfive> RAOF: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/43811/    thats the tail of camorama's output.   Its crashing on a v4l v1 command, which led me the direction I took
[04:36] <danbhfive> RAOF: well, I'm not sure what to check, but I'm gona play with the options
[04:36] <crdlb> lubosz: it means the section in your _xorg.conf_ is missing
[04:36] <crdlb> not that it can't find the device
[04:38] <lubosz> crdlb: ah, i c
[04:38] <danbhfive> man, its slow
[04:38] <lubosz> the keyboard identifier is different
[04:38] <lubosz> i try stuff
[04:38] <lubosz> thx
[04:40] <danbhfive> RAOF: cheese is just getting the test input screen, if you know what I'm talking about
[04:40] <RAOF> danbhfive: Ok.  Now, how about gstreamer-properties->Video->Default input?
[04:40] <danbhfive> RAOF: thats what is was, I changed it to my webcam, same result in cheese
[04:40] <RAOF> Hm, really?
[04:41] <RAOF> Did the "test" button work?
[04:41] <danbhfive> test button fails on default setting
[04:41] <RAOF> And how about trying other settings?
[04:41] <RAOF> V4L?  V4L2, etc.
[04:42] <danbhfive> V4L gets an error
[04:42] <RAOF> Cool, yes.  As does mine.
[04:42] <danbhfive> could not get/set on/from resource
[04:43] <lubosz> crdlb: yay, it worked. i took the failsafe conf and replaced the driver stirng
[04:44] <danbhfive> meh, and even the part that does work, works only once.  I can't turn off my webcam without it stopping working
[04:44] <Raspberry> why are the fonts on the gdm username and password inputs always much larger than the input boxes?
[04:45] <Raspberry> it's been like that since 7.10
[04:45] <Raspberry> at least
[04:45] <RAOF> Raspberry: DPI detection.
[04:46] <RAOF> danbhfive: So, gstreamer-properties is somewhat crash-happy for me.  But selecting "v4l2" and pressing "test" gets me a webcam video feed.
[04:46] <danbhfive> RAOF: I have to select v4l2 and my webcam device (default doesnt work) and the test button gives me a still
[04:47] <RAOF> Hm.  So it kinda nearly works.
[04:47] <danbhfive> yeah, it works with ekiga for the most part
[04:48] <bsnider> did it work with another kernel?
[04:48] <RAOF> That's probably a good test; I'd be guessing at webcam driver bugs at this point.
[04:49] <RAOF> If you happen to have a Hardy livecd around or something that might be good :)
[04:49] <danbhfive> which kernel should I try?
[04:49] <bsnider> or the .26 in intrepid
[04:49] <danbhfive> I've been getting the same in intrepid
[04:50] <bsnider> so you did try the .26 kerenl?
[04:50] <danbhfive> i dunno, whatever the latest is
[04:50] <danbhfive> if that one is earlier, I can go try it
[04:50] <lubosz> bugz!
[04:50] <bsnider> ok, open synaptic and search for linux-image
[04:50] <lubosz> i cannot add anything to sessions => startup programs
[04:50] <RAOF> lubosz: I thought that one was fixed?
[04:51] <bsnider> grab one of the 2.6.26 kernels
[04:51] <lubosz> "The startup command cannot be empty"
[04:51] <lubosz> i updated a couple of minutes ago...
[04:51] <danbhfive> bsnider: Im running hardy right now.  I;; have to reboot for that
[04:51] <danbhfive> brb?
[04:51] <bsnider> so it doesn't work in hardy either?
[04:52] <danbhfive> no
[04:52] <bsnider> exactly the same problems?
[04:52] <danbhfive> yes
[04:52] <bsnider> well, that's .24 and .27
[04:52] <bsnider> i guess .26 might make a difference
[04:52] <bsnider> which driver is this?
[04:52] <danbhfive> though I haven't tested every program, I have been getting the exact same errors
[04:52] <danbhfive> v4l2
[04:53] <danbhfive> maybe a uvc or something or other, I don't know
[04:53] <RAOF> danbhfive: What he meant was: what webcam is it?
[04:53] <bsnider> there should be a specific driver for the webcam
[04:53] <RAOF> V4L2 is the video interface specification, not the driver.
[04:53] <bsnider> that uses v4l2
[04:53] <danbhfive> logitech QuickCam Pro for Notebooks
[04:54] <danbhfive> 046d:0991
[04:54] <danbhfive> http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/cameras
[04:54] <danbhfive> hold on, im gona go try the .26 kernel
[04:55] <bsnider> that page mentions a driver called uvcvideo
[05:00] <danbh_intrepid> hello?
[05:00] <danbh_intrepid> hello?
[05:01] <RAOF> Yes?
[05:02] <danbh_intrepid> sorry, was just having irc troubles
[05:02] <danbh_intrepid> im installing the other kernels as we speak
[05:02] <bsnider> coulkd you open a terminal and run lsmod?
[05:03] <bsnider> look for a driver called uvcvideo
[05:04] <danbh_intrepid> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=m5a0fe956
[05:05] <danbh_intrepid> looks like that compatibility wrapper is there already?
[05:05] <bsnider> that's the driver that's supposed to use your camera
[05:05] <Raspberry> i'm glad that KVM actually works :p
[05:06] <bsnider> v4l2 isn't there
[05:06] <danbh_intrepid> should it be?
[05:07] <danbh_intrepid> I thought you were saying that v4l2 isnt the driver..
[05:08] <danbh_intrepid> hmmm, well, its freaking working actually
[05:09] <Raspberry> seems like 8.10 alpha 5 isn't offering Private by default (encryption)
[05:09] <Raspberry> alpha4 set it up for me
[05:09] <Raspberry> I'm not putting anything in there until final release, because I don't want to lose any documents :p
[05:15] <bsnider> danbh_intrepid, run this command please
[05:15] <bsnider> v4lctl -c /dev/video0 list
[05:15] <bsnider> pastebin the result
[05:15] <danbh_intrepid> bsnider: its working!  I think I was just wrong.    In the flurry of my tests, I must have just tested ekiga and camorama on intrepid
[05:16] <danbh_intrepid> both cheese and xawtv work, camorama doesnt
[05:16] <danbh_intrepid> imma gona edit that help page!
[05:16] <bsnider> i think anything that can use /dev/video0 like mplayer or ffmpeg would also work
[05:17] <bsnider> there's another command on this wiki page:
[05:17] <bsnider> ffmpeg -f video4linux2 -s 320x240 -r 5 -i /dev/video0 -f m4v out.m4v
[05:17] <danbh_intrepid> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=m442650f9
[05:18] <danbh_intrepid> hehe, cheese just seg faulted on me : P   minor issue though
[05:18] <bsnider> all of those options and info is coming from the uvcvideo driver
[05:19] <bsnider> one thing you can do if all of the programs stop working with it is unload the d4river and reload it at the command line
[05:20] <bsnider> the latest version of the driver will be int he .27 kernel
[05:22] <danbh_intrepid> man, sorry for dragging you guys through that.  It worked on intrepid all along.  I really think i just tested with camorama, and assumed the rest...
[05:23] <bsnider> the issue is that different programs inplement the features of hte driver to different levels of success
[05:23] <danbh_intrepid> yeah, cheese is pretty basic
[05:24] <danbh_intrepid> the image was way oversaturating, but I cant change any settings
[05:24] <bsnider> you can change them at the command line
[05:24] <bsnider> check out the wiki page for the driver. http://openfacts.berlios.de/index-en.phtml?title=Linux+UVC
[05:26] <danbh_intrepid> v4lctl?
[05:27] <bsnider> right
[05:28] <bsnider> kmplayer has some gui controls for v4l devies. you might try it with that
[05:31] <danbh_intrepid> trying kmplayer
[05:35] <danbh_intrepid> kmplayer doesnt work  :(
[06:17] <IdleOne> haha this is to much I just switched from metacity to compiz and now my display is upside down and backwards
[06:47] <emma> This is a very minor thing but just a little feedback to anyone interested: I am using Ubuntu Intrepid, and I don't think it makes sense to have an icon for logging out of the session and an icon for switching users, in the same gnome-panel.
[09:14] <kulight> any one using/trying the 8.10 alpha 5 x64 ? im having trouble with the 2.6.27 kernel
[09:18] <kulight> i guess every one is sleeping :D
[09:18] <kholerabbi> not everyone sleeps.
[09:19] <kulight> kholerabbi: good nick :(
[09:20] <kulight> :)
[09:20] <x1250> not everyone >:)
[09:20] <kholerabbi> thanks :)
[09:20] <kulight> so ill ask again
[09:20] <kulight> any one using/trying the 8.10 alpha 5 x64 ? im having trouble with the 2.6.27 kernel
[09:20] <kholerabbi> I know nothing anyway
[09:20] <kholerabbi> sorry :(
[09:21] <x1250> kulight, we read the first time, but "trouble" doesn't say too much.
[09:21] <kulight> no problem im not an expert my self but im learning
[09:22] <kulight> it max up the cpu making the system unusable
[09:23] <x1250> kulight, why do you say its the kernel fault and not some other buggy software?
[09:25] <kulight> cause when booting to 2.6.26 everything is back to normal
[09:25] <kulight> i have filed a bud but trying to find more info and maybe help more
[09:26] <x1250> and what does say top or system monitor about it? Which process is causing it?
[09:27] <kulight> just a sec ill boot up and tell you
[09:28] <kulight> here is the bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/263412
[09:28] <kulight> yup this one
[09:32] <x1250> kulight, so, is there any process using a high % CPU usage? You can see that using system monitor, top, or even ps -aux
[09:33] <kulight> one more sec it is very slow to respond
[09:36] <kulight> there are a few switching between them apport xorg gnome pannel and jocky
[09:36] <kulight> its a bit better after today updates
[09:38] <kulight> and every app that i lunch is also maxing the cpu
[09:38] <kulight> sys monitor takes 50% cpu
[09:40] <x1250> uhm, thats odd. You can use an older kernel if you press ESC when ubuntu is about to begin booting.
[09:41] <kulight> yes i can boot to 2.6.26 but im trying to help solving this one
[09:44] <x1250> kulight, does this if you don't enter gnome? try just staying in GDM, CTRL+ALT+F2, login, run top or ps -aux and see if there is any process with high CPU usage. If there is, then try kill gdm and trying again.
[09:49] <kulight> it seems like it is only unresponsive using gnome sometimes it just takes for ever opening apps even when cpu looks ok so im not sure that the problem is there im trying to narrow it down
[09:56] <x1250> kulight, what about if you use vesa driver? I found in google that it could be related to video. You could try that, there is a section in /etc/X11/xorg.conf called "Device". You should add a new line inside "Device" section, that reads: Driver "vesa"
[09:57] <x1250> then restart X and see what happens
[09:57] <x1250> what video card do you have?
[10:01] <kulight> i have an ati x1250 but i havent installed any driver in xorg.conf it only have the basic deaults: configured video device configured monitor
[10:02] <kulight> ill try dpkg-reconfigure xserver
[10:02] <x1250> kulight, then that should default to using xserver-xorg-video-ati. You could try using vesa and see what happens
[10:03] <kulight> ok ill try and post the results
[10:18] <x1250> kulight, you could also try using the line: Driver "radeonhd" in Device section
[10:18] <x1250> thats the opensource radeon driver
[10:21] <kulight> i tried vesa and it stopped booting correctly
[10:21] <kulight> ill try installing the ati drivers maybe that will do somthing
[10:22] <x1250> could you pastebin xorg.conf after you added the vesa driver line?
[10:22] <x1250> go to paste.ubuntu.com
[10:29] <dupondje> fglrx is not working, can confirm :)
[10:31] <kulight> ill try downloadin and installing the drivers from amd ati site
[10:33] <kulight> well i got to go for an hour or so ill post my results later
[10:34] <kulight> thank you for the help
[10:49] <dupondje> NetworkManager doesn't add a default route ? :s
[10:54] <vistakiller> flash 10 is very bugy
[10:55] <TheInfinity> flash10 is beta ...
[10:56] <vistakiller> and firefox always crash
[10:56] <vistakiller> i think is from flash 10
[11:07] <pimpy> Hi there
[11:07] <pimpy> Who is on alpha5 ?
[11:08] <pimpy> Thanks
[11:11] <pimpy> any issues with driver nvidia or not ?
[11:11] <pimpy> i want to try this as issues with alpha4
[11:51] <dupondje> if xorg.conf doesn't exist, what config file does it use then ?
[12:02] <pimpy> Hi from Alpha5
[12:02] <pimpy> Need help to adjust nvidia driver, on my 8800gt as i have nothing installed, thanks in advance
[12:02] <pimpy> join #ubuntu-fr-testing
[12:23] <dupondje> this is strange :p
[12:23] <dupondje> I'm having no xorg.conf :p
[12:23] <dupondje> but everything works perfect :s
[12:24] <TheInfinity> dupondje: xorg >= 7.3 :)
[12:24] <TheInfinity> does not need a xorg.conf
[12:24] <dupondje> oh :)
[12:25] <dupondje> so why there is still xorg.conf sometimes ?
[12:25] <dupondje> :)
[12:25] <TheInfinity> because sometimes xorg does not detect everything right
[12:25] <dupondje> can I save the detected settings to a xorg.conf ?
[12:27] <TheInfinity> of course
[12:27] <TheInfinity> ah you mean the autodetected?
[12:27] <TheInfinity> why should you? :)
[12:28] <dupondje> If u want to tune something ? :)
[12:31] <pimpy> Hi again from alpha5
[12:31] <pimpy> need tips for nvidia driver thanks
[12:55] <gya> I manually started X& and the mouse and keyboard doesn't work.. can somebody help me?
[12:56] <ratpoison> hello! will intrepid include Openoffice 3?
[12:56] <pimpy> thanks for your help on nvidia
[12:56] <pimpy> all is working well a part that
[13:24] <pimpy> I can't install "desktop effect" it prompt me to dowload nvidia 173 but nothing happens, any idea ? thanks
[13:31] <pimpy> hi again
[13:31] <pimpy> crashed my display, I am on 640x480 stucked...
[13:32] <pimpy> same as on alpha4, and i didnt made any updates, I just choose 173 driver from popup reboot and then bad screen resolution :(
[13:36] <woogens> Good thing I opted for an integrated graphics card :-)
[13:38] <pimpy> have a 8800gt :/
[13:38] <void^> why don't you use the -177 driver?
[13:39] <pimpy> i wish i could lol but how i change this from the 173 ?
[13:39] <pimpy> i can't lauch nvidia xsettings as well
[13:41] <pimpy> i managed to deactivate 173 i am checking
[13:41] <pimpy> ok 177 activated and used
[13:42] <pimpy> i need to manually reboot so ? can't change display resolution as now
[13:44] <timing> hmm i have a problem updating to the latest dpkg
[13:44] <pimpy> re
[13:44] <pimpy> nothing changed :(
[13:46] <pimpy> do i need to manually install a driver ?
[13:56] <amikrop> Greetings. I tried to install Intrepid alpha on a Toshiba Satellite A50, but when I picked the option "Install Ubuntu" from the starting menu of the install CD, the process freezed.
[13:57] <amikrop> Do I need some boot options?
[13:57] <pimpy> can someone help me with Nvidia driver and 8800gt please, thanks.
[13:58] <gnomefreak> pimpy: install nvidia-glx-177
[13:58] <gnomefreak> pimpy: should be all you need to do to set up nvidia
[13:59] <pimpy> ok
[14:04] <askand> Is it safe to install itnrepid on another partition or should I be afraid eat destroys all of my data allover the harddrive?
[14:06] <SwedeMike> askand: I have installed intrepid on another partition, but you of course have to know what you're doing
[14:06] <woogens> askand: Be afraid. This way around you will be happily surprised, when it doesn't happen. :-)
[14:11] <gnomefreak> in contrast of what people think Intrepid is NOT safe to use yet.
[14:11] <gnomefreak> wide spread use
[14:12] <woogens> ,
[14:17] <CarlFK> bug 261977 says "please downgrade the other packages that were updated" - how do I do know what other packages, and how do I downgrade?
[14:25] <dashavoo> gnomefreak, everyone is curious, and most people don't care if things go wrong because it is simple enough to just start again fresh with hardy
[14:25] <dashavoo> Although using intrepid on my laptop since alpha4, I haven't noticed anything radical on the desktop side of things
[14:29] <gnomefreak> dashavoo: im not stopping people from using it. it is just a warning and there are alot of things broken but not everyone uses the same apps
[14:31] <dashavoo> ah, I thought you were saying you didn't know why everyone is installing it after being told it isn't stable
[14:32] <dashavoo> hmm... apparently I just started synaptic for the first time since hardy was released
[14:34] <dashavoo> infact, since alpha6 of hardy was released, because I upgraded from that xD
[14:36] <woogens> Hehe, just read alpha 6 of intrepid and wanted to ask, if I could borrow your DeLorean one time. :-)
[14:40] <askand> What version of compiz is in intrepid? 1:0.7.7+git20080807-0ubuntu6 does not tell me very much
[14:41] <dashavoo> woogens, lol
[14:41] <askand> or perhaps it does, i cant just understand
[14:41] <dashavoo> askand, means it is an unreleased one, would be my guess, from the development branch
[14:41] <dashavoo> development branch as it was on the 7th of August
[14:41] <askand> ah ok thanks
[14:44] <amikrop> I tried to install Intrepid alpha on a Toshiba Satellite A50, but when I picked the option "Install Ubuntu" from the starting menu of the install CD, the process freezed. Do I need some boot options?
[14:46] <dashavoo> amikrop, try again a few times
[14:46] <dashavoo> For me and one other person (can't remember who, it was a whole 12 hours ago) it worked on the 3rd time, for some reason
[14:47] <dashavoo> Not saying it will work on the 3rd time for you, but trying again a couple of times might get a result
[14:47] <amikrop> dashavoo: I tried about 5 times.
[14:48] <amikrop> dashavoo: Would a "noapic" or a "nolapic" work?
[14:51] <dashavoo> do you mean noacpi?
[14:51] <dashavoo> or is noapic something too?
[14:51] <dashavoo> I never really need boot options
[14:51] <LSD|Ninja> apic = advanced programmable interrupt controller
[14:52] <dashavoo> LSD|Ninja, thanks
[14:57] <shadowhywind> hay all when i run a sudo command i am getting this error any ideas? Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-shadowhywind" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[15:28] <XVampireX> I might be stupid, but I'm upgrading
[15:29] <woogens> At least I can proudly say, I got a reason to install alpha 5. :)
[15:30] <woogens> (or 'have installed' for that matter)
[15:30] <dashavoo> woogens, what was it?
[15:30] <woogens> Drivers. :-)
[15:30] <dashavoo> lol
[15:31] <dashavoo> I had a reason, it was just "I felt like it"
[15:31] <dashavoo> lol
[15:31] <woogens> I got a brand spanking new laptop a few days ago; loaded with centrino 2 and the integrated GMA X4500MHD graphics card, which requires a fairly recent version of xorg-video-intel, xorg itself and mesa3d.
[15:32] <dashavoo> It seems that I am definitely stuck with ubuntu... I used to distrohop alot, then I got settled with archlinux, followed by gentoo a year later, then debian some time after that... and now I find it too frustrating to switch back to anything else
[15:32] <dashavoo> debian is the only thing other than ubuntu I still use on some machines
[15:33] <woogens> Hehe, I was a die hard Gentoo user for quite some years, but every now and then one gets stuck with a compile error nonetheless.
[15:34] <askand> Is Evan Dandrea here?
[15:34] <XVampireX> One little question
[15:34] <woogens> And at some point I got a bit frustrated with the time expenses I had to invest. :-)
[15:34] <XVampireX> if Xorg is not going to be required anymore, how would you change the video driver?
[15:34] <dashavoo> woogens, I stopped using it because I got fed up of configuring stuff when I reinstalled it
[15:35] <amikrop> LSD|Ninja: Could a noapic help me?
[15:35] <woogens> Hehe, valid reason. :-)
[15:35] <dashavoo> XVampireX, you mean xorg.conf I assume... in which case, everything should be detected automatically without it with the latest version of Xorg, but if it isn't you can still use an xorg.conf
[15:35] <woogens> XVampireX: Err, you got me quite shocked there.
[15:36] <woogens> Aaah, okay.
[15:39] <XVampireX> dashavoo: So if I install the nvidia driver it would automatically update itself?
[15:40] <dashavoo> I think that is the idea of it, don't quote me though
[15:40] <dashavoo> Suck it and see
[15:44] <gnomefreak> XVampireX: you may need to use sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[15:44] <gnomefreak> ther eis also a nvidia command that escapes me atm that you can use to rebuild xorg.conf
[16:03] <amikrop> LSD|Ninja: Could a noapic boot option help me?
[16:03] <amikrop> Or nolapic?
[16:56] <Turms> hallo! :-)
[16:58] <Turms> anytime i start intrepid , network is down notwithstanding it is configured through /etc/network/interfaces, as a workaround i have to reconfigure the network clicking on preferences in the network icon, i do not use dhcp but static
[17:48] <Carroarmato0> Hi, I was just curious about the icon next to you login name in the user switcher application. I was wondering about it's usage since playing with it doesn't do anything and there doesn't seem to be any kind of documentation about it.
[18:33] <pwnguin> anyone know what key to press to boot an imac to cd?
[18:45] <pepie34> Hi xorg takes 60% of cpu since the last radeon/ATI xorg driver update
[18:46] <ratpoison> hello! will ibex have oofice v 3.0 ?
[18:46] <pepie34> it seems like a different version of DRI and xorg driver
[18:46] <pepie34> but i can't see any indaction on Xorg log
[18:46] <pepie34> s/indaction/clue
[19:24] <taggie> anybody smart about the state of ATI drivers? is fglrx still standard for a FireGL card? I know where was lots of activity in the open source space, but haven't been following it closely. At the moment, I'm using alpha5 but glxinfo core dumps on me.
[19:24] <crdlb> taggie: specifically? there are a lot of ati cards
[19:25] <taggie> sorry, a thinkpad t60p, with ati firegl v5200
[19:26] <crdlb> ok, that's equivalent to a radeon X1600, which is an r500
[19:26] <taggie> i believe that's true, yes.
[19:26] <crdlb> which means intrepid should provide some 3d support (ie enough for compiz) out of the box with the open source driver
[19:26] <crdlb> pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[19:27]  * x1250 has a x1400 with compiz working out of the box.
[19:28] <taggie> http://pastebin.com/d2f04ec3b
[19:33] <crdlb> taggie: hmm, I don't know
[19:34] <taggie> as an aside, i know Intel was starting to get better with open source driver support, has anybody heard about support for intel GMA4500MHD?
[19:34] <taggie> crdlb, yeah, didn't make any sense to me, thx for looking.
[19:34] <crdlb> taggie: you should probably listen to it and switch to EXA though
[19:35] <crdlb> Option "AccelMethod" "EXA" in Section "Device" of your xorg.conf
[19:35] <taggie> i missed that, i'll give it a shot
[19:35] <taggie> hm.
[19:35] <taggie> i don't have an xorg.conf anymore.
[19:36] <crdlb> you can just steal the "built-in configuration" printed in the log
[19:39] <taggie> *restarts X*
[19:44] <pingoparado> where can i download intrepid alpha?
[19:46] <danbh_intrepid> pingoparado: read the topic
[19:47] <danbh_intrepid> this channel is for all things alpha, including your question.  #ubuntu is for strictly the stables ubuntus
[20:06] <taggie> crldb, it's still angry, i'm worried there's leftover garbage from prior versions. Is there a method using dpkg or synaptic to tell xorg to completely reinstall itself? maybe zeroing out config might help.
[20:06] <bsnider> taggie, what problem are you having?
[20:09] <taggie> bsnider, glxinfo segfaults, 3d doesn't appear to be working completely
[20:09] <taggie> some opengl seems to work, some not
[20:09] <bsnider> with which driver?
[20:11] <taggie> don't know. ATI of some sort. I removed fglrx, so i presume radeon
[20:12] <taggie> i thought glxinfo would tell me
[20:12] <bsnider> lsmod
[20:12] <bsnider> check for radeon or ati
[20:13] <taggie> radeon                147616  2
[20:13] <taggie> drm                    86056  3 radeon
[20:13] <crdlb> radeon would be the module
[20:13] <crdlb> but yes, the Xorg.0.log says radeon
[20:13] <bsnider> why use that instead of fglrx?
[20:14] <crdlb> because fglrx doesn't work on intrepid?
[20:14] <bsnider> really
[20:14] <crdlb> radeon works pretty well for at least some of the R500 modules
[20:14] <crdlb> but apparently not for this one
[20:14] <taggie> don't know, i upgraded from hardy, but unfortunately didn't make note of which I was using. I know in gutsy i was using fglrx
[20:14] <crdlb> you definitely were using fglrx on hardy if you had any 3d
[20:14] <taggie> yeah
[20:14] <crdlb> R500 support in the radeon driver is brand new
[20:15] <taggie> but i thought i'd switched to radeon in hardy
[20:15] <bsnider> what's wrong with flgrx in intrepid?
[20:16] <crdlb> bsnider: X server 1.5 changes
[20:18] <taggie> i honestly haven't even gotten that far yet, i was hoping to hunt down what was wrong with the default drivers first. I guess I figure if it doesn't work out of the box, it should at least be dropping me to VESA or offering fglrx in jockey
[20:19] <x1250> what if no new compatible fglrx is released in october? would the guys return to X server 1.4 then in the repos?
[20:19] <bsnider> doesn't radeonhd support that card?
[20:20] <taggie> i don't know bsnider, i thought radeon was supposed to. was radeonhd a fork?
[20:21] <bsnider> no, it's a new open driver developed by novell for new ati cards
[20:22] <crdlb> radeon is best for r500
[20:22] <crdlb> and I don't think radeonhd actually has any 3d support?
[20:23] <crdlb> x1250: bryce (ubuntu X maintainer) said that ATI is working on it
[20:23] <bsnider> not yet
[20:23] <bsnider> it has 2d support though
[20:23] <x1250> crdlb, good to know
[20:23] <taggie> well, i have 2d now, the only things i'm having issues with are opengl
[20:23] <taggie> video playback is fine
[20:24] <bsnider> i wouldn't expect much more than that without fglrx
[20:24] <crdlb> I've heard that R500 is actually very close to R300 and R400
[20:24] <bsnider> maybe in a year things will be different
[20:24] <crdlb> so, it's a good fit for the radeon driver
[20:24] <bsnider> of course nvidia users don't have these issues because the nvidia blob replaces the x-server
[20:26] <schmidtm_> the nvidia driver does not replaces the x-server
[20:27] <bsnider> not completely. but it does replace the business end of it
[20:28] <schmidtm_> no it is just a driver as the radeon are fglrx
[20:28] <taggie> crdlb, here's the output from glxinfo:
[20:28] <taggie> http://pastebin.com/m239e2109
[20:28] <bsnider> that's not correct
[20:28] <bsnider> it does not use mesa at all. fglrx does
[20:29] <bsnider> it provides its own memory manager and circumvents mesa entirely
[20:29] <schmidtm_> oh and why did i have a prob that the nvidia driver wanted t override some mesa libs
[20:29] <crdlb> nvidia has its own driver, its own kernel module (including full DRM system), its own OpenGL library, and its own GLX module
[20:35] <bsnider> i'd really love it if everybody using linux understood that, and understood it before they installed linux
[20:40] <schmidtm_> and mesa is a only an opensource implementation of opengl and not part of the x-server itself, but only of the drivers. and i do not see any point where there stands that x-server needs mesa for its corefunctions
[20:42] <bsnider> corefunctions like making the mouse pointer appear? most people seem to want a bit more than that. like x-video and full opengl support
[20:42] <schmidtm_> but that support is part of the driver
[20:44] <bsnider> http://linuxhaters.blogspot.com/2008/06/nitty-gritty-shit-on-open-source.html'
[20:46] <Daisuke_Ido> bsnider: nice attempt to twist things.  mesa != X, it's used by fglrx for some functionality, the rest is provided by the driver
[20:46] <bsnider> the individual earlier was having trouble with gl, not creating a mouse pointer
[20:46] <schmidtm_> the other way round if it would be part of the corefunctions all drivers would provide opengl functionality
[20:46] <Daisuke_Ido> do you even read what you post?
[20:48] <Daisuke_Ido> yeah, i shouldn't have even stepped into this.  enjoy your delusions, and good luck everyone else.
[20:48] <bsnider> it's a delusion to think you're going to get acceptable graphics if you're not using nvidia hardware
[20:49] <Daisuke_Ido> i never argued that bit, i will only use nvidia
[20:50] <Daisuke_Ido> currently using a 7600gs, i think i'll skip the 8x00 and 9x00 lines entirely
[20:50] <crdlb> the glx module _is_ part of xorg-server-core
[20:50] <bsnider> i've got an 8800gt and it's fine. it's great
[20:50] <Daisuke_Ido> until they get their crap together and start providing parts that aren't going to fail in less than 18 months
[20:50]  * schmidtm_ is usig a 8600m and ith just wrks
[20:50] <crdlb> so nvidia unquetionably replaces part of the X server
[20:51] <bsnider> my point is that people don't understand that
[20:51] <bsnider> and htey criticize nvidia and expect too much of ati because of it
[20:51] <bsnider> ati doesn't try to relpace the non-functioning parts of x like nvidia doex
[20:54] <schmidtm_> i am not a friend of closed source-drivers but until the ati guys get their stuff working nvidia is the better solution
[20:54] <bsnider> schmidtm_, that's axiomatic
[20:54] <bsnider> but are mesa's flaws ati's fault?
[20:56] <schmidtm_> if they are using mesa and have probs with mesa they could provide patches
[20:56] <bsnider> you said it. "if they are using mesa"
[20:57] <crdlb> which is what's happening right now ...
[20:57] <crdlb> mesa's advantage is that it's _shared_ infrastructure
[20:57] <crdlb> for the long term, that is key
[20:58] <schmidtm_> that is obvious
[20:58] <bsnider> in 12 months, if exa and dri2 and galluim3d are there and it's implementing gl 2.1 at least, then i'll buy ati
[20:59] <bsnider> the skeptic in me says something's going to happen on the way to the utopia
[20:59] <schmidtm_> the qustion is how long nvidia will hold their driver closed if all the others open it
[21:00] <crdlb> schmidtm_: opening their driver means starting over
[21:00] <schmidtm_> yea just like ati did
[21:00] <bsnider> well, i'm not a RMS-type gnu/linux fanatic. i don't car if they open it, as long as it works
[21:00] <crdlb> neither fglrx nor nvidia-glx will ever be open source
[21:01] <crdlb> bsnider: the point is that it really doesn't work
[21:01] <crdlb> where's XrandR 1.2 support? twinview is terrible
[21:01] <bsnider> twinview works fine here
[21:01] <bsnider> i haven't tried rotating
[21:04] <schmidtm_> other point is how long the kernel guys will allow closedsource modules to be loaded. there are always some discussions on that topic.
[21:35] <cliechti> eeepc users? i've just upgraded from 0.04, took me 6 hours :-) it basically works. now i try to get wlan working again
[21:36] <Steck> Has madwifi drivers for the eeepc wlan been incorporated into Intrepid?
[21:37] <cliechti> i read in the wiki that a driver named ath5k is in the kernel. i modprobed i, it loaded. but no wlan device is shown in ifconfig
[21:37] <pixelmonkey> hey there, I have just upgraded to kernel 2.6.27 from Intrepid to test out some stuff for some bug reports I have logged against hardy.  The one thing I can't get to work in 2.6.27 is the vmware vmmon/vmblock/vmnet modules, which no longer compile.  Anyone fix VMWare to work with intrepid yet?
[21:38] <pixelmonkey> I've noticed from googling around that VMWare actually GPL'ed these drivers, so I'm surprised I can't just modprobe them outright
[21:39] <Steck> cliechti: Do you have the wiki link up you could provide for me?
[21:40] <cliechti> hm,. other PC, i have to manually type it. http://help.ubuntu.com/community/eeepc/Fixes
[21:40] <Steck> Close enough, I found it, thanks :)
[21:41] <cliechti> ah, wrong case..
[21:44] <Steck> Interesting, it has worked out of the box for others
[21:44] <Steck> (Reading the bug report)
[21:45] <Steck> cliechti: do you have 2.6.27-2   or -?
[21:47] <cliechti> yes 2.6.27-2
[21:48]  * Steck nods
[21:53] <cliechti> hm, i miss the network settings in the menu. i see it on 8.04 but not on the updated eeepc
[21:54] <cliechti> the network monitor apples isn't installed anymore neither. it was before the upgrade
[21:58] <cliechti> system->prefs->network is missing here. what do i need to install to get that back?
[22:13] <pixelmonkey> so, no go on vmware running on intrepid's kernel?
[22:17] <Evas> hi all
[22:17] <Evas> i have a problem with an USB EDGE modem
[22:17] <Evas> ID 19d2:2000
[22:17] <Evas> it is an onda MT503HS
[22:18] <Evas> i have a cd with the source of the driver and compile fine with hardy kernel
[22:18] <Evas> but on intrepd fail
[22:18] <Evas> with error like 'struct usb_serial_port' has no member named 'tty'
[22:19] <cliechti> hm. looks like gnome-network-admin has benn split into a separate package, that is not installed by default
[22:22] <Jordan_U> How do I manually touchpad speed / sensitivity in Xorg.conf ( right now I have to go across the touchad 16 times to move the cursor from one side of the screen to the other )
[22:23] <taggie> has anyone played with a centrino2 laptop yet? anybody know how driver support is yet, like the ipw5300 wireless, the GMA4500MHD graphics, etc. ?
[22:24] <taggie> oops, not ipw5300, "wifi link 5300"
[22:25] <cyphase> ohh, the alpha 5 installer asks if you want an encrypted directory now
[22:25] <cyphase> at least the alternate one. i'm using that because of the Virtualbox problem
[22:26] <Unksi> cyphase: which virtualbox problem?
[22:26] <cyphase> Unksi: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/linux/+bug/246067/
[22:26] <Unksi> ok
[22:31] <vinu76jsr> http://files.fosswire.com/2007/08/displayconfiggtkdriver.png
[22:31] <vinu76jsr> is this tool available in intrepid???
[22:32] <vinu76jsr> http://fosswire.com/2007/08/17/ubuntu-getting-xorgconf-gui/
[22:32] <vinu76jsr> full article
[22:32] <vinu76jsr> its dated but I remember using this tool in gutsy for sure , maybe even in hardy
[22:33] <xevin> hello
[22:34] <xevin> Where can we find features in ibex?
[22:36] <vinu76jsr> found it
[22:36] <vinu76jsr> quit
[23:43] <XVampireX> Hi
[23:43] <XVampireX> Anyone around?
[23:44] <XVampireX> Need quick help, for some reason, intrepid ibex doesn't have KDE4 in its repositories
[23:45] <void^> !info kdelibs5
[23:46] <XVampireX> Huh?
[23:46] <XVampireX> !info kubuntu-desktop-kde4
[23:46] <x1250> XVampireX, so, if you aptitude search kde4 there are no results? change repos then
[23:46] <void^> !info kdebase
[23:46] <XVampireX> Well basically I'm stuck in console
[23:47] <void^> well, i don't know the appropriate metapackage here, but it's certainly there
[23:47] <XVampireX> when KDM launches it gives me some weird stuff
[23:47] <XVampireX> no greeter plugin is installed, please check configuration
[23:47] <XVampireX> And then quits back to console
[23:47] <XVampireX> what do I do? :)
[23:47] <Jordan_U> XVampireX: Notice that kubuntu-desktop replaces kubuntu-desktop-kde4
[23:48] <XVampireX> Oh
[23:48] <XVampireX> So kubuntu now comes with KDE4 by default?
[23:48] <Jordan_U> Seems like it
[23:48] <XVampireX> Alright
[23:48] <x1250> it seems, kubuntu-kde4-desktop is a virtual package now
[23:49] <XVampireX> any idea on the notice KDM gives me now, though?
[23:49] <XVampireX> Ah, looks like kubuntu-gives me some missing stuff, looks like it'll work then
[23:49] <XVampireX> But anyhow
[23:49] <XVampireX> I tried running GDM
[23:50] <XVampireX> but didn't let me because it said that it's not the default app
[23:50] <XVampireX> How do I force GDM to start?