[00:05] Wow, I am sleepy! [00:05] <_Zeus_> :P [00:05] mmm [00:06] fixxed fglrx [00:06] just some :) [00:06] Hi. Every time I start FireFox and then try to go to YouTube at http://youtube.com, the browser crashes. Is there a log or any other vital information I should include in an effective bug report for this? I am running 64 bit Ubuntu Intrepid. [00:07] I'm torrenting alpha 5 now-- is the partitioner safe enough to let it touch my hard drive? [00:07] <_Zeus_> sort of [00:07] I have an unformatted partition ready for it, it'd just need to format it and install to it [00:07] <_Zeus_> partitioning is always risky though [00:07] sort of? [00:07] <_Zeus_> partitioning is ALWAYS risky [00:07] well it doesn't have to so much as touch my other ones.. [00:07] hmmmmm [00:07] <_Zeus_> i think you'll be fine [00:08] heh [00:08] <_Zeus_> the real risk would be resizing partitions [00:08] yes. [00:08] and i did all that already [00:08] <_Zeus_> if you're not doing that, don't worry about it [00:08] ok sweet [00:08] since I installed Alpha 5 whenever I start Firefox it takes me to an ubuntu page asking for my credit card information... are you starting to charge for Ubuntu in the next release?! [00:08] <_Zeus_> Raspberry: ???? [00:08] <_Zeus_> where did you get a5 from??? [00:08] haha [00:09] i hope that's a joke.. [00:09] <_Zeus_> Raspberry: where did you get a5 from?? [00:09] lol [00:09] I am intrigued by this [00:09] <_Zeus_> ... [00:09] <_Zeus_> where is he? [00:09] *headdesk* [00:10] Raspberry: you're not messing with us, are you? [00:10] where did you get your disc image? [00:10] troll alert, take cover. [00:10] <_Zeus_> !danger [00:10] DO NOT RUN THAT COMMAND That particular command is DANGEROUS and shouldn't be uttered here. REST OF YOU: DANGER, WILL ROBINSON, DANGER! Do not use the command or utter it here thank you! [00:10] ubuntu.net [00:10] <_Zeus_> :P [00:10] <_Zeus_> Raspberry: the ubuntu site is ubuntu.com [00:10] I googled Ubuntu Alpha 5 download [00:10] <_Zeus_> ubuntu.net is also legit [00:10] it redirects, yeah [00:10] <_Zeus_> send us the link of exactly where you got it [00:11] I'm just giving you guys crap -- I've been asking a single question on and off for the last 6 hrs and thought I'd see if anybody was paying attention :P [00:11] <_Zeus_> wow [00:11] *sigh* [00:11] <_Zeus_> how did i know? :-/ [00:11] expected as much [00:11] <_Zeus_> what's the question? [00:12] <_Zeus_> wow. he gets our attention to ask the question than disappears! [00:12] Since I updated to the latest kernel ~3 days ago running Alpha 4 -- I can't start a user session... I tried creating a new user... deleting the user directory contents... it'll login through gdm, create some directories in the user directory like .gnome2 , but then it'll just hang there :P [00:12] <_Zeus_> ahh [00:12] <_Zeus_> Raspberry: update to a5 [00:12] <_Zeus_> fresh install [00:13] yeah [00:13] that's what I'm doing -- just burned the ISO [00:13] <_Zeus_> that should fiz it [00:13] <_Zeus_> *fix [00:13] * fglrx (8.522)... fglrx (8.522): Installing module. [00:13] ........ [00:13] ...... [00:13] [ OK ] [00:13] a5 wasn't released until a couple of hrs ago [00:13] Zeus: I aliased 'install' to 'sudo apt-get install' -- is there any good reason not to do this? [00:13] sweet :) [00:13] <_Zeus_> ethana21: that's what i do [00:13] 'install pidgin' installs pidgin. 'install sunbird' installs sunbird.. [00:13] <_Zeus_> :P [00:13] ah [00:13] wow [00:14] <_Zeus_> hehe [00:14] ok yeah, why isn't that the default? [00:14] * DanaG prefers aptitude [00:14] <_Zeus_> i dunno but it's way nicer [00:14] yes it is [00:14] so that wasn't an option :P -- I can't seem to get DHCP working from the console using my wireless nic either -- it sees the wlan0 and ESSID... but nothing :P I'll see if that changes with a5 [00:14] ethana21: /usr/bin/install perhaps? [00:14] i did the same with 'uninstall' 'update' 'upgrade'.. [00:14] <_Zeus_> i also use remove=sudo apt-get remove [00:14] install is already a command [00:14] well i saw that [00:14] but what Human Being uses /that/? [00:14] <_Zeus_> dashavoo: yeah but no one ever uses it [00:14] some SCRIPTS use it. [00:14] yes [00:14] Which ones? I haven't a clue. [00:14] aliases don't touch scripts [00:14] _Zeus_, I knew that I had never used it, didn't know what it did though so I wouldn't have aliased over the top of it [00:15] ...which can actually be a pain.. [00:15] I use apt-get all the tie [00:15] dashavoo: it can't break it though [00:15] scripts don't go through aliases [00:15] <_Zeus_> well, i've been doing it for over a year and never had a problem [00:15] ethana21, true [00:15] 'course, the second you use 'sudo', all your aliases don't work for you [00:15] or in my case [00:15] 'frigging' [00:15] * DanaG uses aptitude [00:16] is there a preferred way to get a tablet device detected / working with 8.10 -- or should I just keep modifying the xorg.conf [00:16] ethana21, you aliased frigging to sudo? [00:16] <_Zeus_> i just wish there was a way to have the alias use tabcompletion [00:16] yes [00:16] lmao [00:16] <_Zeus_> HAHAHA [00:16] thats brilliant [00:16] <_Zeus_> frigging rm x [00:16] <_Zeus_> lol [00:16] i also aliased 'murder' to sudo killall [00:16] <_Zeus_> hahaha [00:17] i have a number of personality enhancing aliases on this machine [00:17] -_- [00:17] * crdlb thinks being productive on other systems is important [00:17] * ethana21 got an ubuntu dell laptop so he never /has/ to [00:17] <_Zeus_> any other good ones? :P [00:18] i'd do the basics too, but they don't work with frigging [00:18] 'remove' and such [00:18] <_Zeus_> does anyone know how to get tabcompletion to work on an aliaas? [00:18] <_Zeus_> i'm guessing there's no way [00:18] <_Zeus_> sometimes i have to use sudo apt-get install just to get the tabcompletion [00:19] Probably have to manually edit some files... man I hate touchpads, I keep typing all over the place [00:19] <_Zeus_> i figured [00:19] <_Zeus_> does anyone know how to disable the system bell in 8.10? [00:19] <_Zeus_> it used to be in Preferences > Sound [00:20] 44 minutes remaining on 8.10a5 torrent [00:20] <_Zeus_> just download it direct [00:20] <_Zeus_> it took me like 10m [00:20] and then seed [00:20] right [00:20] It's friday night, so I can seed for a few hours no problem [00:21] <_Zeus_> no one knows how to change the system bell? [00:21] 9 Mbit cox cable connection, don't know the up speed though [00:21] _Zeus_, what do you want to do? [00:21] <_Zeus_> stop this frigging blinking screen [00:21] <_Zeus_> it used to be in Preferences > Sound [00:21] dang it ... my bios doesn't detect my USB CDROM, but it works fine w/USB flash... lame [00:22] _Zeus_, ... [00:22] My BIOS does the same... [00:22] can boot USB HDD or Floppy or "Stick" -- but not CDROM. [00:22] I've got a Thinkpad X61t [00:22] _Zeus_, is it juts a problem in gnome-terminal? [00:22] excuse my spelling... it is the damn touchpads fault [00:22] I installed a4 with a USB stick, but just bought a LG Slim USB CDROM for this thing :p [00:23] Laptop I shall be getting (as soon as HP opens the customize-to-order option, grrr!): HP EliteBook 8530w. [00:23] <_Zeus_> dashavoo: no no [00:23] <_Zeus_> you know when you get a system bell it beeps or flashes the screen or stuff? [00:23] yeah, but, there is an option in gnome-teminal to turn it off [00:24] I think [00:24] i remember having it on myself once, and that is the only place I can think of that I might have trned it on [00:25] <_Zeus_> dashavoo: in 8.04 it was under Preferences > Sound [00:25] hmm... no idea then [00:31] Does bluetooth work any better in alpha5? [00:38] I'm running Ubuntu Intrepid 64 bit and I'm getting a lot of these errors while running FireFox [00:38] *** NSPlugin Wrapper *** ERROR: NPP_HandleEvent() invoke: Connection closed [00:38] *** NSPlugin Wrapper *** ERROR: NPP_GetValue() invoke: Connection closed [00:38] *** NSPlugin Wrapper *** WARNING: unhandled variable 11 in NPP_GetValue() [00:38] <_Zeus_> where do you see that? === Raspberry is now known as Guest60365 [00:48] hmm... the Install app doesn't seem to work on the alpha5 amd64 desktop cd [00:49] spins up the CDROM but then nothing happens [00:51] Raspberry, that happened to me at first [00:51] take the cd out and put it back in and try again [00:52] I thought it was just my cd or my drive [00:52] i just tried for a 3rd time and it worked [00:52] funny, 3rd time lucky was mine too [00:52] I didn't take the CD out [00:53] correlation! =causation, as they say [00:56] the new partition prepartion section of the installer is a bit confusing [00:56] it wants to set the size of any partition to the used space [00:57] I just installed it, too -- using the amd64 desktop cd. Works pretty good, so far. [00:58] cool it's got a migrator now [00:58] and it understands vista [00:59] last time I did a net install with a4 [01:09] what name is opengl library used for build opengl app? [01:15] doggymenz: depends on the opengl implementation you're using [01:15] for mesa users, it's libgl1-mesa-dev [01:15] for nvidia users, append '-dev' to the driver package name [01:17] hmm [01:17] alpha5 didn't mount my existing home dir [01:17] even after I told it to [01:17] Well I am off to bed [01:17] night [01:18] oh [01:19] i tried to umount /home -- said it wasn't mounted... did a mount /home ... that worked fine [01:19] i didn't edit the fstab or anything ... so not sure why it wouldn't mount on boot [01:24] lol.. random screensaver always produces the same "random" screensaver [01:27] gahh [01:27] no colemak keymap option on the intrepid cd [01:28] * ethana21 can't wait 'till he doesn't have to screw with a fresh ubuntu install for it to be usable [01:28] ....checking integrity.... [01:29] i must say though, i'm not seeing five loading bars scattered over the screen [01:29] i do find that more confidence-inducin [01:30] <_Zeus_> the a5 partition resizer seems buggy [01:30] <_Zeus_> it seems to want to resize partitions even though you don't want i to [01:30] yup [01:30] *headdesk* [01:30] it doesn't though [01:30] <_Zeus_> yeah [01:30] hmmmmmm [01:31] <_Zeus_> but it definately has issues [01:31] ohhh [01:31] null resize [01:31] however it lists my /home partition in the fstab , but it won't mount it automatically [01:31] where it says it's going to do all this stuff, but it does it with 0 values [01:31] <_Zeus_> post the line from the fstab [01:31] well, the disc is sound [01:31] time to reboot and install it [01:31] * ethana21 reboots [01:31] if I "sudo mount /home" that works :p [01:31] <_Zeus_> just paste the line from the fstab [01:32] <_Zeus_> there could be an option there [01:33] UUID=a49e29fe-2ad2-47ae-b15f-74830f31c748 /home ext3 relatime 0 2 [01:33] sorry I had to retype it [01:33] <_Zeus_> np [01:33] <_Zeus_> hmm looks fine [01:33] yeah I know :P [01:33] <_Zeus_> i dunno sry [01:33] <_Zeus_> !google :-P [01:33] Sorry, I don't know anything about google :-p [01:33] I'm thinking of changing the UUID to /dev/sda5 [01:33] <_Zeus_> bbl [01:33] <_Zeus_> ? [01:33] <_Zeus_> oops [01:33] <_Zeus_> !google [01:33] google is the helpers' friend; many newer users dont have the google-fu yet; For GNU/Linux: http://google.com/linux [01:33] <_Zeus_> bbl [01:33] cya [01:35] this "NewHuman" chocolate mudslide has got to go [01:40] alpha5 is out finaly, wooooooooooooooooooooooooooo [01:41] it's not that exciting [01:43] in 'Fast User Switch Applet' anyone notie you have icon and can choose online, away, busy, offline, etc? [01:43] what is this? [01:43] yo, wondering abotu an NM issue here [01:44] I have my network settings set up in /etc/network/interfaces, but they are totaly ignored in intrepid, as are the manual settigns in NM-applet, is this a new bug? [01:47] yes it is! [01:47] :P === LSD|Ninj1 is now known as LSD|Nninja === LSD|Nninja is now known as LSD|Ninja [01:50] ok, so I'm on the alpha 5 livecd right now [01:50] i was under the understanding that nautilus was finally getting column view like Finder [01:50] could someone help me find it? [01:52] ethana2: is "View As Compact Icons" in your Nautilus view menu? [01:52] * mneptok isn;t running Intrepid yet [01:53] icons, list, compact [01:53] "compact" is what you want, i think [01:53] no i mean like [01:53] you have a list of everything in whatever folder down the left [01:53] http://blogs.gnome.org/cneumair/files/2008/02/screenshot-compact-icons.png [01:53] you click something and it makes another one just to the right displaying everything in /that/ folder [01:54] and so on and so forth [01:55] here... [01:55] http://www.macretard.com/images/finder_columns.png [01:55] I thought they were doing this [01:55] I was looking forward to it a lot [01:56] http://www.time-tripper.com/uipatterns/Patterns/Cascading_Lists/osx-finder.gif [02:09] is gfxboot standard in intrepid? [02:10] Does hibernate to swapfile work as of today? [02:10] didnt that work in hardy already? [02:11] or where did he wrote the status to? [02:12] brb fresh install a5 [02:12] I haven't tried hibernate to swapfile in any version, is it supposed to work? [02:13] only one way to find out [02:14] Test it. [02:14] or ask someone who has similar specs configuration as your computer for the result [02:14] XGas: I guess, since I do have a hardy install... [02:16] I looked into how they do suspend to disk, I am SURPRISED, that it even /works/. [02:16] engineering madness, MADNESS [02:17] btw, works on my laptop, Dell XPS M1210 [02:17] with NVIDIA GeForce Go 7400 :\ [02:19] does it automatically pick where to suspend to ? [02:19] 'hibernate' [02:20] where to suspend to? I thought Ubuntu uses the swap space to do it? [02:20] swap makes sense for suspend, but not hibernate [02:20] XGas: You using swap file or partition? [02:21] Ienorand: swap in LVM. [02:22] XGas: That would be a "partition" for the acronym-unsavvy? [02:22] yeah. [02:23] its not really partition see...... [02:25] Well, I've read here and there that Hib+swapfile doesn't work in hardy... So I guess I'll have to go with swap in lvm for a while longer. [02:25] if swap > physical memory, it makes sense [02:25] otherwise :( [02:26] (It shows up in gparted, it's a partition afaik :) ) [02:28] jStefan: Yea, I plan on buffing up with 6GB swap :D [02:29] i've upgraded my hardware since my 1st install (except the hard drive) and my swap has gone small now [02:30] in comparison [02:31] 6GB swap? what are do doing that you need so much swap? and how much ram do you have? [02:33] x1250: Probably nothing, but I don't think I'll fill the disk anyway, and I could always shrink it if I don't need it... [02:33] if he wants to hibernate he will surely need more swap than ram [02:34] x1250: I've got 3gb (4, actually, but 32bit) so I'll need at least 3.5 someth... [02:34] at least linux (unlike other OSs) is efficient about swap :P [02:35] jStefan: Hmm, in my opinion not very efficient if you have to dedicate a partition (or part in lvm or whatever...) [02:35] oh [02:37] omg: hax0r!! [02:39] personally i don't like the idea of swap for modern computers, swap was invented at a time where large sums of ram was a ridiculous concept. Now a days you can simply get MORE ram. :) [02:40] jStefan: Well, there's the limit at 3gb unless you switch to the 64-side.... [02:41] Hmm... so that leaves 234G after triple boot... should be alright for data partition... [02:46] jStefan: swap is crucial for sleep/hibernate on laptops [02:46] mneptok: hibernate should be done with a file [02:47] file :: swap (same thing) ;) [02:47] no [02:47] i may have 3 os'es installed, and i am sticking to one swap partition [02:47] because that puts me at a total of 4 partitions [02:47] don't want to bother with logical [02:47] ethana2: Should, but isn't, unfortunately... [02:47] anything that won't work with that is fail [02:48] then it should be configurable, but nothing should be forced [02:48] lenorand: i put a brainstorm thing up on that [02:48] i think it died [02:48] jStefan: i agree. [02:48] suspend to swap [02:48] hibernate to file [02:48] suspend should be to memory, that's the whole idea of it [02:49] the memory stays powered [02:49] but if it loses power... [02:49] dont loose it :P [02:49] isn't there some 'sleep' thing? [02:50] where it suspends to RAM and swap, and after x minutes shuts down [02:50] so it's just to swap [02:50] ethana2: Aleady is: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/8092/ [02:50] what if you loose power while working on an important document ? [02:50] ..then it's in swap. [02:50] i mean while it's on [02:50] oh sorry, laptop here [02:50] that's what autosave is for [02:50] computers are not supposed to loose power unexpectedly [02:51] ....again, laptop for the win [02:51] i have a UPS [02:51] good for you [02:51] 5 minutes should come standard in every desktop psu. [02:51] a laptop can do 180 minutes [02:51] what about when you are in suspend and your battery gets so low that the power will die [02:51] don't tell me a desktop can't do 5 [02:51] ethana2: Heh, first thing I did when I got the new laptop is to remove battery ;) [02:52] Raspberry: then your session is in swap [02:52] lenorand: i did that, then tripped over the power cord and lost my session [02:52] it transitions it to hibernate? [02:52] Raspberry: it should, yes [02:52] suspend to both RAM and swap [02:52] then if you do lose power, you still have your session, it just takes a few seconds longer to get back into [02:52] suspend hasn't been working for me on 8.10 yet [02:53] worked fine on 7.10 and worked for a while on 8.04 [02:53] ethana2: Ouch, gotta duckttape the power cord to the lappy then :) [02:53] yeah, no [02:53] i tore the ethernet port out of my old laptop [02:54] because I was giving a presentation and forgot it was plugged in [02:54] and went to take it off the podium [02:55] toshiba m200... [02:58] hi, i installed a5 without a boot loader [02:59] how can i tell my old boot loader to update menu.lst? [03:00] lubosz: Do your homework? roflmao, just kidding [03:01] lubosz: Do you have a separate /boot partition? And had you use it for Intrepid? [03:01] no the boot partition is my old hardy partition i'm currently in [03:01] but i want to install grub on the intrepid one [03:03] ok, this will take some explaining about what I really asked about.... [03:03] never mind. [03:03] lubosz: Boot into your hardy install [03:03] open a terminal [03:03] and mount that partition you had intrepid install on [03:03] if you do it via the GUI, it will be mounted in /media [03:04] i wonder what you think you really asked, i think i answered it :D [03:04] k, skip the mounting part [03:04] but thx for taking some time for my problem :D [03:05] lubosz: then do this in terminal: grub-install --root-directory=/media/somewhere/ [03:06] lubosz: You don't really need to install the boot loader to the partition you have Intrepid on. [03:06] hm, wont this do a collision with the intrepids apt? [03:06] k [03:06] i wonder if i need the grub package in the intrepid package manager [03:06] lubosz: you can update the grub menu.lst, you have to do this manually. [03:07] and it will lie on my old partition? [03:07] manually as in edit in a text editor. [03:07] i did this, thx [03:07] but it will be on the old partiton? [03:08] the menu.lst [03:08] lubosz: Ok, just do: sudo update-grub [03:08] k, thx this is what i looked for :D [03:08] lubosz: The menu.lst is just used for boot options [03:08] lets see what he finds [03:08] yes, but it has to be on some partition [03:08] i wanted to migrate it to the intrepid in long term [03:09] when i delete the old partiton after some time [03:09] lubosz: Easy, install grub when you booted into intrepid [03:10] nice, grub found some old kernels [03:10] 2.6.24-19 ^^ [03:10] but no intrepid [03:10] which desktop search is built into 8.10 [03:10] but i didnt install grub to its partition [03:14] i did, via sudo grub-install /dev/sdaX [03:14] but no .27 kernels in the list :/ [03:16] <_Zeus_> hehe. alpha with intrepid-proposed and intrepid-backports FTW :D [03:19] time to boot back into hardy [03:19] keep up the good work, all [03:28] k, wrote the menu.lst myself, lets try it ^^ XGas thx [03:28] ok. [03:28] ah [04:06] hi [04:06] any luck compiling the nvidia driver with the new kernel? [04:07] the one from the repos doesnt really work for me [04:07] the .com does not compile [04:07] great :/ [04:07] lubosz: Why do you think the version in the repos doesn't work :) [04:08] hm, maybe cause my resolution is 640*480 max and the error message while starting gdm [04:08] lubosz: what card? [04:08] tried the generaded xorg.conf, my good old xorg.conf from the hardy times, 177 (beta) and 173 [04:08] 8600 GS [04:09] the specifics of the xorg.conf are pretty much irrelevent as long as it says Driver "nvidia" [04:10] you should check the /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old for the error after trying the nvidia driver in the repos [04:11] and if that doesn't show the nvidia driver starting, you can stop gdm and run startx manually [04:12] lol, canonical codec store btw? [04:12] crdlb: thx i try that [04:15] crdlb: Actually, tche specifics of the xorg.conf can be important; I've seen a couple with an explicit modeline for 640x480, a virtual size of 640x480, and 640x480 being the only specified resolution ;) [04:15] (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found) [04:15] this is what i get [04:16] RAOF: ok, well I meant that the xorg.conf should be blank other than that :> [04:16] crdlb: Right :) [04:17] lubosz: and it says "VESA" a bunch of times below that in the log on the left side? [04:18] crdlb: yes [04:18] (II) VESA(0): VESA VBE OEM: NVIDIA [04:18] etc [04:18] RAOF: so, does bulletproofX still clobber the X log in intrepid? :) [04:19] Bulletproof X hasn't triggered for me in Intrepid. [04:19] I don't know. [04:19] so make it trigger!!! [04:20] Bulletproof X started for me [04:20] crdlb: I mean - when X fails to start, bulletproof X isn't triggered. [04:20] lubosz: well, lacking any negative confirmation, let's assume it's still broken [04:20] RAOF: ah [04:20] lubosz: make sure your xorg.conf says Driver "nvidia" in the Device section [04:21] k [04:21] then sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop (or kdm if you use kubuntu), which will drop you to a terminal [04:21] from there, run 'startx' [04:21] and if it fails, copy the /var/log/Xorg.0.log to your home dir before restarting gdm [04:21] anyone know how to program c? I know its offtopic, but, actually, its not [04:21] (sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start) [04:22] I need help with some c errors [04:22] crdlb: k, brb [04:23] danbhfive: sounds pretty offtopic to me ... (and this lovely network has a ##C channel) [04:24] unless your problem is with building some C code written by someone else on intrepid (ie finding the right library headers) [04:24] well, its c code written by someone else, but not for ubuntu. But, I want it to work on ubuntu [04:24] I think its a library [04:25] linky? [04:25] http://lists.zerezo.com/video4linux/msg23002.html [04:25] the attachment [04:26] lol, I bet its a long shot, because its not even a maintained project, BUT, I think it would get my webcam working [04:26] I suspect not. [04:26] danbhfive: You are using an app that only supports v4l1? [04:26] What do you have that only support v4l version 1? [04:26] I think everything in ubuntu only supports v4l 1, except ekiga [04:27] Define "everything"? [04:27] camorama is one that I think only supports v4l [04:27] I tried cheese [04:27] and xawtv [04:27] (Which works just fine with my v4l2 device) [04:28] RAOF, which device is that? [04:28] cheese ( gstreamer ) supports v4l2 [04:28] does camorama? I ran it in debug mode, and its running a v4l version 1 only directive/command/whatever you call it [04:29] Or, rather, I have a crazy syntek webcam built in to this laptop, and (once the driver was actually working) it's always worked with everything I've tried. [04:29] but my webcam is v4l2 only, it doesnt support version 1 [04:29] at least I think [04:29] As is mine. [04:30] I think it's more likely that your webcam driver doesn't work properly. [04:31] how would that happen? [04:31] By being a webcam? They're not very well supported, generally. [04:31] is there one or one line of them that are really well supported? [04:31] well, I bought this one because its listed as being fully supported on linux : ( [04:32] Ah, right. Well... [04:32] crdlb: http://pastebin.ca/1195494 [04:32] Trying to shim in a v4l compatibility layer is unlikely to make anything work :) [04:32] it didnt start the driver [04:32] lol, ok [04:33] danbhfive: So, it doesn't work in cheese? Do you get any error messages when starting cheese from the terminal? [04:33] well, I guess there is always windows, cause I'm out of ideas [04:33] lubosz: so you have an InputDevice line in your ServerLayout section referring to a section which doesn't exist [04:33] danbhfive: But we haven't actually tried _any_ troubleshooting yet. [04:33] RAOF: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/43810/ [04:35] danbhfive: Hm. Doesn't seem to be any video errors there. Let's see... [04:35] crdlb: its only the touchpad... and im using it right now :/ [04:35] http://pastebin.ca/1195496 <= the one with bulletproofx [04:35] danbhfive: Can you run "gstreamer-properties", go to the "video" tab, and check the default video input? [04:35] RAOF: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/43811/ thats the tail of camorama's output. Its crashing on a v4l v1 command, which led me the direction I took [04:36] RAOF: well, I'm not sure what to check, but I'm gona play with the options [04:36] lubosz: it means the section in your _xorg.conf_ is missing [04:36]