| m0u5e | where would i go to find a ubuntu svg? | 00:44 |
|---|---|---|
| m0u5e | err ubuntu logo svg* | 00:44 |
| _MMA_ | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Official | 00:50 |
| m0u5e | _MMA_: ty | 01:14 |
| Cimi | _MMA_, did u read? | 01:26 |
| _MMA_ | Which? You last post? | 01:28 |
| _MMA_ | It was an opinion last I saw. I had nothing to say. | 01:28 |
| Cimi | ok | 01:31 |
| Cimi | which kind of guideline you would like to follow? are you sharing with me the same ideas? | 01:32 |
| Cimi | in terms of contrast, design, palette | 01:32 |
| CimiDS | [02:31] <Cimi> which kind of guideline you would like to follow? are you sharing with me the same ideas? | 01:34 |
| CimiDS | [02:31] <Cimi> in terms of contrast, design, palette | 01:34 |
| _MMA_ | CimiDS: Maybe. Maybe not. Its late here and I should be with my family. Ill chat tomorrow. :) | 01:36 |
| CimiDS | late? here is 2:30am :) have a nice evening with them! see you | 01:37 |
| Domestiqules | hey everyone | 05:59 |
| Ziroday | kwwii: ping | 07:41 |
| * thorwil finally install community themes | 09:06 | |
| thorwil | kwwii: the new wave from your ppa is named as "New Wave", not "NewWave", right? | 09:21 |
| * thorwil has to figure out which one is from the manual installation | 09:22 | |
| thorwil | guess it's the other way round | 09:24 |
| kwwii | thorwil: no, from my ppa it is NewWave | 10:15 |
| thorwil | ok, already removed the other one | 10:16 |
| thorwil | _MMA_: hi. i have a bg color proposal now. could benefit from discussion and thinning out | 13:43 |
| thorwil | _MMA_: i'm wondering where to put it atm | 13:44 |
| _MMA_ | thorwil: ML maybe? | 13:46 |
| _MMA_ | Get wider opinion and refine for wiki from there. | 13:46 |
| thorwil | yeah, guess won't hurt to put it on my blog, first | 13:47 |
| thorwil | _MMA_: i just simplified the wiki page a bit. many levels ain't nice for reading | 13:48 |
| * _MMA_ looks. | 13:48 | |
| _MMA_ | I'll be leaving in 30 mins for about 6hrs. I'll attend to any ML posts or whatnot after that. | 13:48 |
| thorwil | ok | 13:49 |
| _MMA_ | Yeah. The changes to the wiki are good. | 13:50 |
| thorwil | :) | 13:50 |
| _MMA_ | I was mostly putting up info so I didn't forget without too much thought on organization. | 13:51 |
| thorwil | that's how i tend to start, too | 13:52 |
| thorwil | took a while until i learned that you need to just run into it and can't put everything into the right place from start :) | 13:53 |
| _MMA_ | Yeah. I just hadn't started to refine yet. I've been trying to get some of the technical stuff worked out as well. | 14:02 |
| _MMA_ | thorwil: Try your hand at using the template when you get a chance please. | 14:02 |
| thorwil | ok | 14:02 |
| _MMA_ | bbl | 14:04 |
| thorwil | gnah | 14:05 |
| thorwil | http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2008/09/06/define-icon-palette-via-background-colors/ | 14:05 |
| thorwil | posting to ml after coffee, bbl, too | 14:05 |
| dilomo1 | what's up with the icon wiki? | 19:52 |
| thorwil | what should be up with it? | 19:52 |
| ambrin | hi! | 19:53 |
| ambrin | i am new to the gorup | 19:53 |
| thorwil | hello ambrin | 19:53 |
| ambrin | anything I can help with? | 19:53 |
| ambrin | when is the next meeting? | 19:53 |
| thorwil | ambrin: we don't do meetings these days | 19:54 |
| ambrin | thorwil: aww why? | 19:54 |
| thorwil | ambrin: i guess it just didn't lead to much | 19:55 |
| thorwil | ambrin: there are some themes in https://launchpad.net/~kwwii/+archive | 19:55 |
| _MMA_ | thorwil: We'll have one about the icons in a bit. Just wanna get things more focused. | 19:56 |
| thorwil | ambrin: that could benefit from testing and fixes | 19:56 |
| dilomo1 | Cory said he'll set up a wiki page | 19:57 |
| dilomo1 | where artwok and concept can be uploaded | 19:57 |
| thorwil | ambrin: for details about that, you should talk with kwwii, who is team leader an employed by canonical. it's weekend, though ... ;) | 19:57 |
| ambrin | thorwil: yeah -- i was here on the weekdays -- it was pretty quite | 19:58 |
| ambrin | in here | 19:58 |
| _MMA_ | dilomo1: It's a work in progress. Who are you on the ML? | 19:58 |
| dilomo1 | Anton the New Wave dev | 19:59 |
| thorwil | ambrin: well, there are only few active people here. | 19:59 |
| _MMA_ | dilomo1: Ahh... Cool. :) | 19:59 |
| * _MMA_ is Cory. :) | 19:59 | |
| thorwil | _MMA_ is Metal Music Addict | 19:59 |
| _MMA_ | \m/ | 20:00 |
| dilomo1 | there's nothing wrong with that | 20:00 |
| _MMA_ | dilomo1: I've *not* posted about it yet intentionally but https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet | 20:00 |
| thorwil | ambrin: are you subscribed to the mailing list? | 20:01 |
| _MMA_ | It still needs a bit of sorting. Im adding a bit of info here and there with thorwil. | 20:01 |
| ambrin | thorwil: yup | 20:01 |
| dilomo1 | the icon - it's cool | 20:01 |
| dilomo1 | but don't you think we need a logo | 20:01 |
| ambrin | thorwil: did I read it yet? -- is the question :P | 20:01 |
| dilomo1 | for the whole iconset | 20:01 |
| _MMA_ | dilomo1: Its just there. | 20:02 |
| thorwil | dilomo1: a logo takes time and shouldn't be made before we have an idea of the direction | 20:02 |
| ambrin | it's very sad when I rather read work email vs. personal email | 20:02 |
| thorwil | and actually it's not that important. not for our audience | 20:03 |
| _MMA_ | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet/Icons shows an example of how its gonna look. And is hooked into Launchpad/BZR. (the preview image with the sizes and link to source SVG) | 20:03 |
| _MMA_ | So when Bzr is updated so is the wiki previews. | 20:04 |
| dilomo1 | wow that's cool | 20:04 |
| _MMA_ | dilomo1: But we're still laying the technical groundwork. I don't want anyone to have to do anything but create. | 20:06 |
| dilomo1 | I'm just looking at that One Canvas Workflow | 20:09 |
| dilomo1 | we should really provide good tools | 20:09 |
| dilomo1 | and then just create :) | 20:09 |
| thorwil | dilomo1: a test run with it would be appreciated ;) | 20:09 |
| _MMA_ | With the template that is. | 20:10 |
| _MMA_ | I'm still in development of the script that will make the icons from the SVG. I need to edit it to do some things for us. | 20:11 |
| _MMA_ | Im not using the script stock, as-is. | 20:11 |
| dilomo1 | btw there is smth that is not so good with this One Canvas | 20:12 |
| dilomo1 | its this that you have all the icons just decreased in size | 20:13 |
| _MMA_ | And? | 20:13 |
| dilomo1 | but sometimes you need to do perpixel edit that cannot be achieved there | 20:13 |
| _MMA_ | There's *nothing* I can't do for icons in Inkscape. | 20:14 |
| _MMA_ | And a note, they are not just scaled. | 20:15 |
| thorwil | dilomo1: Kenneth and Cory think that there's no need for pixel-editing, if you create in the target size. and if you think about it, you could always zoom in and use pixel-sized rectangles ;) | 20:15 |
| _MMA_ | They are redrawn with as much detail as needed. | 20:15 |
| * _MMA_ has drawn with 1x1px squares in Inkscape before. :P | 20:16 | |
| _MMA_ | SO I have to edit the script to make it grab the scaliable icon, preview and output them to custom dirs. | 20:18 |
| _MMA_ | I should have it done next week. | 20:18 |
| dilomo1 | nice | 20:18 |
| _MMA_ | The bzr work will be *strictly* managed but anyone will be free to take on an icon from the wiki and submit via the ML. | 20:20 |
| dilomo1 | good | 20:22 |
| dilomo1 | one more question though | 20:22 |
| dilomo1 | if we are going to create ine size icon in one file | 20:22 |
| dilomo1 | how we could import palettes in inkscape? | 20:22 |
| _MMA_ | I don't know if we're gonna have a set palette really. | 20:26 |
| _MMA_ | but the file would go in: /.inkscape/palettes | 20:26 |
| _MMA_ | IIRC | 20:26 |
| dilomo1 | I meant persets (gradients, markers, ect.) | 20:27 |
| dilomo1 | This is really annoying right now in Inkscape | 20:28 |
| _MMA_ | Don't know. Some of this we'll just have to work out as we go along. | 20:29 |
| _MMA_ | I will be grabbing the Oxygen icons and putting them into templates for us to work from. So we'll have previews of everything we'll need to change. | 20:30 |
| _MMA_ | So at 1st, it will only look like Oxygen. Then we replace as we create. | 20:31 |
| dilomo1 | that's going to make things a lot easier | 20:31 |
| dilomo1 | :) | 20:31 |
| dilomo1 | btw what's your name on ML? | 20:31 |
| _MMA_ | Everyone will see. I shoulda put more in place before talking about it. | 20:31 |
| * _MMA_ = Cory K. | 20:32 | |
| dilomo1 | :) nice to meet you | 20:34 |
| _MMA_ | same | 20:34 |
| _MMA_ | When Im not being mean to n00bs here I also run Ubuntu Studio. I act like I know what Im doing. ;) | 20:35 |
| * _MMA_ pulls up thorwil's email to finally read. | 20:36 | |
| dilomo1 | :) | 20:37 |
| dilomo1 | what do you think this means at the Inkscape roadmap for 0.47: | 20:37 |
| dilomo1 | Palettes Custom palettes like from Gnome Ability to load 3rd-party palettes (e.g. Pantone, Trumatch, Focoltone, Toyo, etc.) | 20:37 |
| dilomo1 | probably is not going to work for us | 20:37 |
| thorwil | dilomo1: one of the problems is that you will rarely see a blob of solid color. rather lots of gradients | 20:38 |
| thorwil | dilomo1: it might help to think Material instead of Color palette | 20:39 |
| dilomo1 | yes would be better | 20:39 |
| dilomo1 | I wish pallets can store gradients too | 20:40 |
| * _MMA_ is going to take thorwil and more knowledgeable people's word here. | 20:40 | |
| _MMA_ | I'm just trying to set up some of the base technical stuff. :) | 20:41 |
| _MMA_ | Less of the aesthetic for now. | 20:41 |
| dilomo1 | nice chat guys | 20:44 |
| dilomo1 | but I have to sleep | 20:44 |
| _MMA_ | later | 20:44 |
| dilomo1 | bye | 20:44 |
| _MMA_ | thorwil: So what's the point of "Automatic Icon Color Adjustment?" A GNOME feature? | 20:47 |
| thorwil | _MMA_: it would make our job easier | 20:47 |
| _MMA_ | But it's not something we do. It would be something GNOME did somehow right? | 20:48 |
| thorwil | _MMA_: it's just a little developer bait thrown out ;) i don't expect anything to happen, but expressing my ideas eases my mind | 20:48 |
| _MMA_ | Ahh... Gotcha. | 20:48 |
| * _MMA_ reads the palette post. | 20:49 | |
| thorwil | _MMA_: i should add that the color adaption experiment can also teach us a bit about the impact of bg color | 20:51 |
| _MMA_ | Sure. | 20:51 |
| _MMA_ | thorwil: So here, we would define a set of colors that say "Human" to us and the icons we create should work well with them? Just not necessarily use them. | 20:51 |
| thorwil | _MMA_: we have to take ubuntu heritage, mark's insistence on certain colors and where we would like things to go into account | 20:53 |
| _MMA_ | Sure. | 20:53 |
| thorwil | where the top part of my set is rather conservative | 20:53 |
| _MMA_ | http://thorwil.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/bg_colors_with_cof_logo_01.png | 20:54 |
| _MMA_ | Rows 1-4? | 20:54 |
| _MMA_ | (horizontally) | 20:54 |
| thorwil | _MMA_: all the warm tones from the icon test are not much different from what i already sampled from the human theme with heron background | 20:56 |
| thorwil | http://thorwil.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/bg_colors_01_i.png is the proposal | 20:56 |
| _MMA_ | Yeah | 20:57 |
| _MMA_ | Well in the end I don't have much to say. At least right now. Hopefully we can get some credible opinions on the ML while I continue to put things in place. | 20:59 |
| thorwil | _MMA_: well, you can check if our color perception is compatible ;) | 21:00 |
| _MMA_ | thorwil: Notice how the ML has calmed down? Happens near the end of every cycle. | 21:00 |
| _MMA_ | On the surface, I have no issue with the colors. | 21:00 |
| _MMA_ | Never know about the future. We might hit an issue later. | 21:00 |
| thorwil | gotta go. cya tomorrow! | 21:01 |
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