[00:44] <m0u5e> where would i go to find a ubuntu svg?
[00:44] <m0u5e> err ubuntu logo svg*
[00:50] <_MMA_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Official
[01:14] <m0u5e> _MMA_: ty
[01:26] <Cimi> _MMA_, did u read?
[01:28] <_MMA_> Which? You last post?
[01:28] <_MMA_> It was an opinion last I saw. I had nothing to say.
[01:31] <Cimi> ok
[01:32] <Cimi> which kind of guideline you would like to follow? are you sharing with me the same ideas?
[01:32] <Cimi> in terms of contrast, design, palette
[01:34] <CimiDS> [02:31] <Cimi> which kind of guideline you would like to follow? are you sharing with me the same ideas?
[01:34] <CimiDS> [02:31] <Cimi> in terms of contrast, design, palette
[01:36] <_MMA_> CimiDS: Maybe. Maybe not. Its late here and I should be with my family. Ill chat tomorrow. :)
[01:37] <CimiDS> late? here is 2:30am :) have a nice evening with them! see you
[05:59] <Domestiqules> hey everyone
[07:41] <Ziroday> kwwii: ping
[09:06]  * thorwil finally install community themes
[09:21] <thorwil> kwwii: the new wave from your ppa is named as "New Wave", not "NewWave", right?
[09:22]  * thorwil has to figure out which one is from the manual installation
[09:24] <thorwil> guess it's the other way round
[10:15] <kwwii> thorwil: no, from my ppa it is NewWave
[10:16] <thorwil> ok, already removed the other one
[13:43] <thorwil> _MMA_: hi. i have a bg color proposal now. could benefit from discussion and thinning out
[13:44] <thorwil> _MMA_: i'm wondering where to put it atm
[13:46] <_MMA_> thorwil: ML maybe?
[13:46] <_MMA_> Get wider opinion and refine for wiki from there.
[13:47] <thorwil> yeah, guess won't hurt to put it on my blog, first
[13:48] <thorwil> _MMA_: i just simplified the wiki page a bit. many levels ain't nice for reading
[13:48]  * _MMA_ looks.
[13:48] <_MMA_> ﻿I'll be leaving in 30 mins for about 6hrs. I'll attend to any ML posts or whatnot after that.
[13:49] <thorwil> ok
[13:50] <_MMA_> Yeah. The changes to the wiki are good.
[13:50] <thorwil> :)
[13:51] <_MMA_> I was mostly putting up info so I didn't forget without too much thought on organization.
[13:52] <thorwil> that's how i tend to start, too
[13:53] <thorwil> took a while until i learned that you need to just run into it and can't put everything into the right place from start :)
[14:02] <_MMA_> Yeah. I just hadn't started to refine yet. I've been trying to get some of the technical stuff worked out as well.
[14:02] <_MMA_> thorwil: Try your hand at using the template when you get a chance please.
[14:02] <thorwil> ok
[14:04] <_MMA_> bbl
[14:05] <thorwil> gnah
[14:05] <thorwil> http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2008/09/06/define-icon-palette-via-background-colors/
[14:05] <thorwil> posting to ml after coffee, bbl, too
[19:52] <dilomo1> what's up with the icon wiki?
[19:52] <thorwil> what should be up with it?
[19:53] <ambrin> hi!
[19:53] <ambrin> i am new to the gorup
[19:53] <thorwil> hello ambrin
[19:53] <ambrin> anything I can help with?
[19:53] <ambrin> when is the next meeting?
[19:54] <thorwil> ambrin: we don't do meetings these days
[19:54] <ambrin> thorwil: aww why?
[19:55] <thorwil> ambrin: i guess it just didn't lead to much
[19:55] <thorwil> ambrin: there are some themes in https://launchpad.net/~kwwii/+archive
[19:56] <_MMA_> thorwil: We'll have one about the icons in a bit. Just wanna get things more focused.
[19:56] <thorwil> ambrin: that could benefit from testing and fixes
[19:57] <dilomo1> Cory said he'll set up a wiki page
[19:57] <dilomo1> where artwok and concept can be uploaded
[19:57] <thorwil> ambrin: for details about that, you should talk with kwwii, who is team leader an employed by canonical. it's weekend, though ... ;)
[19:58] <ambrin> thorwil: yeah -- i was here on the weekdays -- it was pretty quite
[19:58] <ambrin> in here
[19:58] <_MMA_> dilomo1: It's a work in progress. Who are you on the ML?
[19:59] <dilomo1> Anton the New Wave dev
[19:59] <thorwil> ambrin: well, there are only few active people here.
[19:59] <_MMA_> dilomo1: Ahh... Cool. :)
[19:59]  * _MMA_ is Cory. :)
[19:59] <thorwil> _MMA_ is Metal Music Addict
[20:00] <_MMA_> \m/
[20:00] <dilomo1> there's nothing wrong with that
[20:00] <_MMA_> dilomo1: I've *not* posted about it yet intentionally but https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet
[20:01] <thorwil> ambrin: are you subscribed to the mailing list?
[20:01] <_MMA_> It still needs a bit of sorting. Im adding a bit of info here and there with thorwil.
[20:01] <ambrin> thorwil: yup
[20:01] <dilomo1> the icon - it's cool
[20:01] <dilomo1> but don't you think we need a logo
[20:01] <ambrin> thorwil: did I read it yet? -- is the question :P
[20:01] <dilomo1> for the whole iconset
[20:02] <_MMA_> dilomo1: Its just there.
[20:02] <thorwil> dilomo1: a logo takes time and shouldn't be made before we have an idea of the direction
[20:02] <ambrin> it's very sad when I rather read work email vs. personal email
[20:03] <thorwil> and actually it's not that important. not for our audience
[20:03] <_MMA_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet/Icons shows an example of how its gonna look. And is hooked into Launchpad/BZR. (the preview image with the sizes and link to source SVG)
[20:04] <_MMA_> So when Bzr is updated so is the wiki previews.
[20:04] <dilomo1> wow that's cool
[20:06] <_MMA_> dilomo1: But we're still laying the technical groundwork. I don't want anyone to have to do anything but create.
[20:09] <dilomo1> I'm just looking at that One Canvas Workflow
[20:09] <dilomo1> we should really provide good tools
[20:09] <dilomo1> and then just create :)
[20:09] <thorwil> dilomo1: a test run with it would be appreciated ;)
[20:10] <_MMA_> With the template that is.
[20:11] <_MMA_> I'm still in development of the script that will make the icons from the SVG. I need to edit it to do some things for us.
[20:11] <_MMA_> Im not using the script stock, as-is.
[20:12] <dilomo1> btw there is smth that is not so good with this One Canvas
[20:13] <dilomo1> its this that you have all the icons just decreased in size
[20:13] <_MMA_> And?
[20:13] <dilomo1> but sometimes you need to do perpixel edit that cannot be achieved there
[20:14] <_MMA_> There's *nothing* I can't do for icons in Inkscape.
[20:15] <_MMA_> And a note, they are not just scaled.
[20:15] <thorwil> dilomo1: Kenneth and Cory think that there's no need for pixel-editing, if you create in the target size. and if you think about it, you could always zoom in and use pixel-sized rectangles ;)
[20:15] <_MMA_> They are redrawn with as much detail as needed.
[20:16]  * _MMA_ has drawn with 1x1px squares in Inkscape before. :P
[20:18] <_MMA_> SO I have to edit the script to make it grab the scaliable icon, preview and output them to custom dirs.
[20:18] <_MMA_> I should have it done next week.
[20:18] <dilomo1> nice
[20:20] <_MMA_> The bzr work will be *strictly* managed but anyone will be free to take on an icon from the wiki and submit via the ML.
[20:22] <dilomo1> good
[20:22] <dilomo1> one more question though
[20:22] <dilomo1> if we are going to create ine size icon in one file
[20:22] <dilomo1> how we could import palettes in inkscape?
[20:26] <_MMA_> I don't know if we're gonna have a set palette really.
[20:26] <_MMA_> but the file would go in: /.inkscape/palettes
[20:26] <_MMA_> IIRC
[20:27] <dilomo1> I meant persets (gradients, markers, ect.)
[20:28] <dilomo1> This is really annoying right now in Inkscape
[20:29] <_MMA_> Don't know. Some of this we'll just have to work out as we go along.
[20:30] <_MMA_> I will be grabbing the Oxygen icons and putting them into templates for us to work from. So we'll have previews of everything we'll need to change.
[20:31] <_MMA_> So at 1st, it will only look like Oxygen. Then we replace as we create.
[20:31] <dilomo1> that's going to make things a lot easier
[20:31] <dilomo1> :)
[20:31] <dilomo1> btw what's your name on ML?
[20:31] <_MMA_> Everyone will see. I shoulda put more in place before talking about it.
[20:32]  * _MMA_ = Cory K.
[20:34] <dilomo1> :) nice to meet you
[20:34] <_MMA_> same
[20:35] <_MMA_> When Im not being mean to n00bs here I also run Ubuntu Studio. I act like I know what Im doing. ;)
[20:36]  * _MMA_ pulls up ﻿thorwil's email to finally read.
[20:37] <dilomo1> :)
[20:37] <dilomo1> what do you think this means at the Inkscape roadmap for 0.47:
[20:37] <dilomo1> Palettes  Custom palettes like from Gnome  Ability to load 3rd-party palettes (e.g. Pantone, Trumatch, Focoltone, Toyo, etc.)
[20:37] <dilomo1> probably is not going to work for us
[20:38] <thorwil> dilomo1: one of the problems is that you will rarely see a blob of solid color. rather lots of gradients
[20:39] <thorwil> dilomo1: it might help to think Material instead of Color palette
[20:39] <dilomo1> yes would be better
[20:40] <dilomo1> I wish pallets can store gradients too
[20:40]  * _MMA_ is going to take thorwil and more knowledgeable people's word here.
[20:41] <_MMA_> I'm just trying to set up some of the base technical stuff. :)
[20:41] <_MMA_> Less of the aesthetic for now.
[20:44] <dilomo1> nice chat guys
[20:44] <dilomo1> but I have to sleep
[20:44] <_MMA_> later
[20:44] <dilomo1> bye
[20:47] <_MMA_> thorwil: So what's the point of "Automatic Icon Color Adjustment?" A GNOME feature?
[20:47] <thorwil> _MMA_: it would make our job easier
[20:48] <_MMA_> But it's not something we do. It would be something GNOME did somehow right?
[20:48] <thorwil> _MMA_: it's just a little developer bait thrown out ;)  i don't expect anything to happen, but expressing my ideas eases my mind
[20:48] <_MMA_> Ahh... Gotcha.
[20:49]  * _MMA_ reads the palette post.
[20:51] <thorwil> _MMA_: i should add that the color adaption experiment can also teach us a bit about the impact of bg color
[20:51] <_MMA_> Sure.
[20:51] <_MMA_> ﻿thorwil: So here, we would define a set of colors that say "Human" to us and the icons we create should work well with them? Just not necessarily use them.
[20:53] <thorwil> _MMA_: we have to take ubuntu heritage, mark's insistence on certain colors and where we would like things to go into account
[20:53] <_MMA_> Sure.
[20:53] <thorwil> where the top part of my set is rather conservative
[20:54] <_MMA_> http://thorwil.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/bg_colors_with_cof_logo_01.png
[20:54] <_MMA_> Rows 1-4?
[20:54] <_MMA_> (horizontally)
[20:56] <thorwil> _MMA_: all the warm tones from the icon test are not much different from what i already sampled from the human theme with heron background
[20:56] <thorwil> http://thorwil.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/bg_colors_01_i.png is the proposal
[20:57] <_MMA_> Yeah
[20:59] <_MMA_> Well in the end I don't have much to say. At least right now. Hopefully we can get some credible opinions on the ML while I continue to put things in place.
[21:00] <thorwil> _MMA_: well, you can check if our color perception is compatible ;)
[21:00] <_MMA_> thorwil: Notice how the ML has calmed down? Happens near the end of every cycle.
[21:00] <_MMA_> On the surface, I have no issue with the colors.
[21:00] <_MMA_> Never know about the future. We might hit an issue later.
[21:01] <thorwil> gotta go. cya tomorrow!