[00:44] where would i go to find a ubuntu svg? [00:44] err ubuntu logo svg* [00:50] <_MMA_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Official [01:14] _MMA_: ty [01:26] _MMA_, did u read? [01:28] <_MMA_> Which? You last post? [01:28] <_MMA_> It was an opinion last I saw. I had nothing to say. [01:31] ok [01:32] which kind of guideline you would like to follow? are you sharing with me the same ideas? [01:32] in terms of contrast, design, palette [01:34] [02:31] which kind of guideline you would like to follow? are you sharing with me the same ideas? [01:34] [02:31] in terms of contrast, design, palette [01:36] <_MMA_> CimiDS: Maybe. Maybe not. Its late here and I should be with my family. Ill chat tomorrow. :) [01:37] late? here is 2:30am :) have a nice evening with them! see you [05:59] hey everyone [07:41] kwwii: ping [09:06] * thorwil finally install community themes [09:21] kwwii: the new wave from your ppa is named as "New Wave", not "NewWave", right? [09:22] * thorwil has to figure out which one is from the manual installation [09:24] guess it's the other way round [10:15] thorwil: no, from my ppa it is NewWave [10:16] ok, already removed the other one [13:43] _MMA_: hi. i have a bg color proposal now. could benefit from discussion and thinning out [13:44] _MMA_: i'm wondering where to put it atm [13:46] <_MMA_> thorwil: ML maybe? [13:46] <_MMA_> Get wider opinion and refine for wiki from there. [13:47] yeah, guess won't hurt to put it on my blog, first [13:48] _MMA_: i just simplified the wiki page a bit. many levels ain't nice for reading [13:48] * _MMA_ looks. [13:48] <_MMA_> I'll be leaving in 30 mins for about 6hrs. I'll attend to any ML posts or whatnot after that. [13:49] ok [13:50] <_MMA_> Yeah. The changes to the wiki are good. [13:50] :) [13:51] <_MMA_> I was mostly putting up info so I didn't forget without too much thought on organization. [13:52] that's how i tend to start, too [13:53] took a while until i learned that you need to just run into it and can't put everything into the right place from start :) [14:02] <_MMA_> Yeah. I just hadn't started to refine yet. I've been trying to get some of the technical stuff worked out as well. [14:02] <_MMA_> thorwil: Try your hand at using the template when you get a chance please. [14:02] ok [14:04] <_MMA_> bbl [14:05] gnah [14:05] http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2008/09/06/define-icon-palette-via-background-colors/ [14:05] posting to ml after coffee, bbl, too [19:52] what's up with the icon wiki? [19:52] what should be up with it? [19:53] hi! [19:53] i am new to the gorup [19:53] hello ambrin [19:53] anything I can help with? [19:53] when is the next meeting? [19:54] ambrin: we don't do meetings these days [19:54] thorwil: aww why? [19:55] ambrin: i guess it just didn't lead to much [19:55] ambrin: there are some themes in https://launchpad.net/~kwwii/+archive [19:56] <_MMA_> thorwil: We'll have one about the icons in a bit. Just wanna get things more focused. [19:56] ambrin: that could benefit from testing and fixes [19:57] Cory said he'll set up a wiki page [19:57] where artwok and concept can be uploaded [19:57] ambrin: for details about that, you should talk with kwwii, who is team leader an employed by canonical. it's weekend, though ... ;) [19:58] thorwil: yeah -- i was here on the weekdays -- it was pretty quite [19:58] in here [19:58] <_MMA_> dilomo1: It's a work in progress. Who are you on the ML? [19:59] Anton the New Wave dev [19:59] ambrin: well, there are only few active people here. [19:59] <_MMA_> dilomo1: Ahh... Cool. :) [19:59] * _MMA_ is Cory. :) [19:59] _MMA_ is Metal Music Addict [20:00] <_MMA_> \m/ [20:00] there's nothing wrong with that [20:00] <_MMA_> dilomo1: I've *not* posted about it yet intentionally but https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet [20:01] ambrin: are you subscribed to the mailing list? [20:01] <_MMA_> It still needs a bit of sorting. Im adding a bit of info here and there with thorwil. [20:01] thorwil: yup [20:01] the icon - it's cool [20:01] but don't you think we need a logo [20:01] thorwil: did I read it yet? -- is the question :P [20:01] for the whole iconset [20:02] <_MMA_> dilomo1: Its just there. [20:02] dilomo1: a logo takes time and shouldn't be made before we have an idea of the direction [20:02] it's very sad when I rather read work email vs. personal email [20:03] and actually it's not that important. not for our audience [20:03] <_MMA_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet/Icons shows an example of how its gonna look. And is hooked into Launchpad/BZR. (the preview image with the sizes and link to source SVG) [20:04] <_MMA_> So when Bzr is updated so is the wiki previews. [20:04] wow that's cool [20:06] <_MMA_> dilomo1: But we're still laying the technical groundwork. I don't want anyone to have to do anything but create. [20:09] I'm just looking at that One Canvas Workflow [20:09] we should really provide good tools [20:09] and then just create :) [20:09] dilomo1: a test run with it would be appreciated ;) [20:10] <_MMA_> With the template that is. [20:11] <_MMA_> I'm still in development of the script that will make the icons from the SVG. I need to edit it to do some things for us. [20:11] <_MMA_> Im not using the script stock, as-is. [20:12] btw there is smth that is not so good with this One Canvas [20:13] its this that you have all the icons just decreased in size [20:13] <_MMA_> And? [20:13] but sometimes you need to do perpixel edit that cannot be achieved there [20:14] <_MMA_> There's *nothing* I can't do for icons in Inkscape. [20:15] <_MMA_> And a note, they are not just scaled. [20:15] dilomo1: Kenneth and Cory think that there's no need for pixel-editing, if you create in the target size. and if you think about it, you could always zoom in and use pixel-sized rectangles ;) [20:15] <_MMA_> They are redrawn with as much detail as needed. [20:16] * _MMA_ has drawn with 1x1px squares in Inkscape before. :P [20:18] <_MMA_> SO I have to edit the script to make it grab the scaliable icon, preview and output them to custom dirs. [20:18] <_MMA_> I should have it done next week. [20:18] nice [20:20] <_MMA_> The bzr work will be *strictly* managed but anyone will be free to take on an icon from the wiki and submit via the ML. [20:22] good [20:22] one more question though [20:22] if we are going to create ine size icon in one file [20:22] how we could import palettes in inkscape? [20:26] <_MMA_> I don't know if we're gonna have a set palette really. [20:26] <_MMA_> but the file would go in: /.inkscape/palettes [20:26] <_MMA_> IIRC [20:27] I meant persets (gradients, markers, ect.) [20:28] This is really annoying right now in Inkscape [20:29] <_MMA_> Don't know. Some of this we'll just have to work out as we go along. [20:30] <_MMA_> I will be grabbing the Oxygen icons and putting them into templates for us to work from. So we'll have previews of everything we'll need to change. [20:31] <_MMA_> So at 1st, it will only look like Oxygen. Then we replace as we create. [20:31] that's going to make things a lot easier [20:31] :) [20:31] btw what's your name on ML? [20:31] <_MMA_> Everyone will see. I shoulda put more in place before talking about it. [20:32] * _MMA_ = Cory K. [20:34] :) nice to meet you [20:34] <_MMA_> same [20:35] <_MMA_> When Im not being mean to n00bs here I also run Ubuntu Studio. I act like I know what Im doing. ;) [20:36] * _MMA_ pulls up thorwil's email to finally read. [20:37] :) [20:37] what do you think this means at the Inkscape roadmap for 0.47: [20:37] Palettes Custom palettes like from Gnome Ability to load 3rd-party palettes (e.g. Pantone, Trumatch, Focoltone, Toyo, etc.) [20:37] probably is not going to work for us [20:38] dilomo1: one of the problems is that you will rarely see a blob of solid color. rather lots of gradients [20:39] dilomo1: it might help to think Material instead of Color palette [20:39] yes would be better [20:40] I wish pallets can store gradients too [20:40] * _MMA_ is going to take thorwil and more knowledgeable people's word here. [20:41] <_MMA_> I'm just trying to set up some of the base technical stuff. :) [20:41] <_MMA_> Less of the aesthetic for now. [20:44] nice chat guys [20:44] but I have to sleep [20:44] <_MMA_> later [20:44] bye [20:47] <_MMA_> thorwil: So what's the point of "Automatic Icon Color Adjustment?" A GNOME feature? [20:47] _MMA_: it would make our job easier [20:48] <_MMA_> But it's not something we do. It would be something GNOME did somehow right? [20:48] _MMA_: it's just a little developer bait thrown out ;) i don't expect anything to happen, but expressing my ideas eases my mind [20:48] <_MMA_> Ahh... Gotcha. [20:49] * _MMA_ reads the palette post. [20:51] _MMA_: i should add that the color adaption experiment can also teach us a bit about the impact of bg color [20:51] <_MMA_> Sure. [20:51] <_MMA_> thorwil: So here, we would define a set of colors that say "Human" to us and the icons we create should work well with them? Just not necessarily use them. [20:53] _MMA_: we have to take ubuntu heritage, mark's insistence on certain colors and where we would like things to go into account [20:53] <_MMA_> Sure. [20:53] where the top part of my set is rather conservative [20:54] <_MMA_> http://thorwil.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/bg_colors_with_cof_logo_01.png [20:54] <_MMA_> Rows 1-4? [20:54] <_MMA_> (horizontally) [20:56] _MMA_: all the warm tones from the icon test are not much different from what i already sampled from the human theme with heron background [20:56] http://thorwil.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/bg_colors_01_i.png is the proposal [20:57] <_MMA_> Yeah [20:59] <_MMA_> Well in the end I don't have much to say. At least right now. Hopefully we can get some credible opinions on the ML while I continue to put things in place. [21:00] _MMA_: well, you can check if our color perception is compatible ;) [21:00] <_MMA_> thorwil: Notice how the ML has calmed down? Happens near the end of every cycle. [21:00] <_MMA_> On the surface, I have no issue with the colors. [21:00] <_MMA_> Never know about the future. We might hit an issue later. [21:01] gotta go. cya tomorrow!