| m0u5e | why does ubuntu have so many image viewing programs by default? don't we really just need one? | 00:47 |
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| _MMA_ | slangasek: Please push the Alpha for Studio. I'm happy with the tests I've done. | 01:29 |
| slangasek | _MMA_: ack, will do shortly | 01:29 |
| _MMA_ | Thanx. | 01:30 |
| slangasek | kirkland: nice manpage site! title searches seem to be exact-match only? | 01:32 |
| wgrant | Hmm. | 01:33 |
| wgrant | How do I use it? | 01:34 |
| wgrant | Nothing on the homepage seems to do anything. | 01:34 |
| wgrant | Ah, I see. The top-right. | 01:34 |
| doggymenz | ubuntu needs be able to install apps without root access | 01:35 |
| doggymenz | and install it for this user only, not for all users | 01:35 |
| slangasek | m0u5e: what image viewing programs are you referring to, specifically? | 01:36 |
| wgrant | We have f-spot and eog... or do we still have gthumb? | 01:37 |
| m0u5e | no we dont have gthumb | 01:41 |
| m0u5e | but i know that fspot and eog come by default | 01:41 |
| m0u5e | i thought there was one more... | 01:41 |
| m0u5e | anyways, last time i checked i think the default viewer doesnt support gifs | 01:41 |
| m0u5e | animated* gifs | 01:41 |
| slangasek | f-spot isn't an image viewer, it's a photo manager | 01:42 |
| slangasek | I'm not thinking that we want to launch f-spot for every image view :) | 01:42 |
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| slangasek | was ttf-liberation still being considered as a default for intrepid? It's in main but doesn't seem to get pulled in by default | 01:57 |
| slangasek | _MMA_: studio alpha-5 published, cronjob restarted | 02:29 |
| slangasek | s/started/enabled/ | 02:29 |
| LaserJock | sebner: ping? | 02:50 |
| _MMA_ | slangasek: Thanx. :) | 02:59 |
| wgrant | Hmmm, I'm currently using the alpha 5 i386 desktop CD, and it's thoroughly broken. | 03:06 |
| wgrant | I have alphanumerics, ctrl, alt, shift, but not much else. | 03:07 |
| wgrant | No arrow keys, home, end, delete... | 03:07 |
| wgrant | Hmm, and my code doesn't think my touchpad is a touchpad. | 03:07 |
| wgrant | X seems confused. | 03:07 |
| LaserJock | wgrant: did it work in pre-alpha5 Intrepid? | 03:10 |
| wgrant | LaserJock: I last upgraded on this machine about 48 hours ago. | 03:11 |
| wgrant | So it could have broken in that time. | 03:11 |
| wgrant | But it works flawlessly on my existing installation on this machine. | 03:11 |
| wgrant | Hm. | 03:15 |
| wgrant | Now that I've restarted X, the keyboard works fine. | 03:15 |
| wgrant | Probably that HAL race. | 03:15 |
| wgrant | And these images are too old for my touchpad fixes. That explains it. | 03:17 |
| LaserJock | kirkland: wow, manpages.ubuntu.com is not intuitive at the start. You might want to add some sort of explanation to the top of the pages | 03:19 |
| wgrant | LaserJock: +1 | 03:19 |
| kirkland | LaserJock: fair enough... we'll improve the initial index.html page | 03:54 |
| LaserJock | kirkland: yeah, just needs a "use the search box to find manpages" notice or something | 03:55 |
| kirkland | LaserJock: I wish I had write access to that machine... unfortunately, I don't | 03:55 |
| LaserJock | I thought it was empty and nothing was very clickable | 03:55 |
| kirkland | LaserJock: thanks for the input... i'll commit some changes to bzr, and drop a note for IT to pull those changes | 04:00 |
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| kirkland | LaserJock: would it have helped any if the starting page was http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/ | 04:10 |
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| LaserJock | kirkland: I guess what I was expecting was an alphabetical listing | 04:12 |
| LaserJock | that page would have at least helped, but it's also somewhat confusing | 04:13 |
| LaserJock | when you go to an individual release there are language codes | 04:14 |
| LaserJock | I clicked on en and didn't find much | 04:14 |
| LaserJock | it's only now I see the manX links | 04:14 |
| NCommander | hey LaserJock & kirkland | 04:38 |
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| cjwatson | Riddell: could you please commit your change to oem-config that finalised 1.48, preferably using debcommit -r so that it sets the right tag and stuff? | 10:37 |
| cjwatson | Riddell: thanks for the fixes | 10:37 |
| cjwatson | Riddell: I don't suppose that fixed bug 245228 along the way? | 10:39 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 245228 in oem-config "oem-config layout is broken on Kubuntu KDE4" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/245228 | 10:39 |
| cjwatson | Riddell: also this looks a bit odd in oem-config-prepare: | 10:41 |
| cjwatson | if [ -x /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kdesu.distrib ]; then | 10:41 |
| cjwatson | kdesu=/usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kdesu.distrib | 10:41 |
| cjwatson | elif [ -x /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kdesu.distrib ]; then | 10:41 |
| cjwatson | kdesu=/usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kdesu.distrib | 10:42 |
| cjwatson | fi | 10:42 |
| Riddell | cjwatson: committed. yes it should fix that bug. commited a fix for that if elif | 11:26 |
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| cjwatson | Riddell: thanks | 12:13 |
| balachmar | tkamppeter_: You requested my e-mail: wligtenberg --AT-- gmail -- dot -- com (Don't know how good those e-mail parsers are... | 12:20 |
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| Martiini | You can tell Steve Langasek that Intrepid alpha-5 cd (intrepid-desktop-i386.iso) does not boot on HP dv6565en (HP dv65000 series). kernel does not load at all | 12:53 |
| cjwatson | Martiini: please file a bug rather than trying to tell the release manager directly; one person doesn't have to fix all bugs in Ubuntu :) | 12:54 |
| cjwatson | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+filebug | 12:54 |
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| askand | Hi, why are you including a recently written software for making usbinstallations when there is one that has been around for a while and works just fine? | 15:38 |
| askand | I have contacted the developer of liveusb ( https://launchpad.net/liveusb ) and he is happy to merge the projects | 15:38 |
| Hobbsee | askand: define 'you' here? | 15:42 |
| torkel | askand: you will probably get a better answer asking on the mailing list than here, especially since it is weekend | 15:44 |
| askand | Hobbsee: You as in developers :) torkel: ok thanks | 15:51 |
| Hobbsee | askand: which is the one that we're supposedly writing? | 15:52 |
| * Hobbsee hasn't heard about this. | 15:52 | |
| ScottK | Hobbsee: Do you have enough experience with seed management (and time, interest, etc.) that you could help me figure out why clamav-doc didn't make it into supported? | 15:54 |
| askand | Hobbsee: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/intrepid-changes/2008-September/006362.html | 15:54 |
| Hobbsee | bug 263551 | 15:54 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 263551 in ubuntu "[FFe] Please accept usb-creator 0.1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/263551 | 15:54 |
| Hobbsee | askand: ahh | 15:55 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: well, clamav-doc doesn't exist :) I presume you mean clamav-docs | 15:55 |
| ScottK | Ah. | 15:56 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: are you asking about intrepid ubuntu? | 15:56 |
| ScottK | Yes. | 15:56 |
| ScottK | Hobbsee: clamav is in server-ship now. | 15:56 |
| ScottK | Germinate picked up everything I expected except that. | 15:57 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: are you aware that -docs is only a suggests of clamav? | 15:57 |
| ScottK | Hobbsee: Yes, but the extra-include in supported has a regex match on -doc packages. | 15:58 |
| ScottK | Now that you mention it, I expect -docs doesn't match. | 15:58 |
| ScottK | I'll go look at that. | 15:58 |
| Hobbsee | that's where i'd start looking. | 15:58 |
| ScottK | Thanks for the hint. | 15:59 |
| Hobbsee | y/w | 15:59 |
| ScottK | This is the first time I touched the seeds directly, so the fact that nothing caught on fire and I merely missed one -doc package feels like a big win. | 16:00 |
| cjwatson | ScottK: indeed, it'll be because it's called -docs. Feel free to add *-docs to Extra-Include | 16:03 |
| cjwatson | (or rename the package) | 16:04 |
| ScottK | cjwatson: OK. I just added clamav-docs explicitly, I'll go back and add *-docs. Thanks. | 16:05 |
| ScottK | Done. | 16:06 |
| cjwatson | askand: on the other hand, liveusb isn't in Ubuntu ... | 16:12 |
| cjwatson | askand: it looks like liveusb is a fairly recent project as well, and perhaps Evan just didn't realise it existed until he was already pretty far down the road of writing his own | 16:12 |
| cjwatson | that sort of thing does happen sometimes | 16:13 |
| askand | cjwatson: perhaps, all I know is that liveusb has been around for a bit longer and therefore had users that reported bugs that has been fixed :) and usb-creator wasnt in ubuntu before 3 sep | 16:15 |
| cjwatson | right, it just evidently didn't get noticed in the right place | 16:15 |
| askand | cjwatson: anyhow i wrote a comment in the bugreport if they want to work together :) | 16:16 |
| cjwatson | I'm unable to see when the feedback request on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/usb-installation-images was left. Did the liveusb developer notice that that specification existed and was assigned to somebody? | 16:17 |
| askand | It was propably left there today, i told the liveusb developer of the other projects existence today | 16:18 |
| cjwatson | I agree that it would make sense to pool efforts, although without yet having run either of the programs I can't make a judgement about which is better | 16:18 |
| cjwatson | they seem to have similar feature sets from just looking through the code | 16:18 |
| cjwatson | it doesn't look as though anyone mailed any of the usual mailing lists about liveusb | 16:20 |
| cjwatson | (I checked ubuntu-devel, ubuntu-devel-discuss, and ubuntu-installer) | 16:20 |
| askand | cjwatson: no, i dont think the liveusb developer was aware that such a feature was wanted for intrepid | 16:20 |
| askand | as default | 16:21 |
| cjwatson | right, so he didn't realise we were doing something and we didn't realise he was doing something; such things happen sometimes :-( | 16:21 |
| askand | yep :) | 16:21 |
| ScottK | Anyone else having trouble with builds on lpia? | 16:40 |
| ScottK | I'm not quite sure what to do about "configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables" when the package builds on other archs. | 16:41 |
| ScottK | OK. Looks like the next upload had the same issue on lpia: | 16:47 |
| ScottK | checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables | 16:47 |
| ScottK | doko: It seems since your latest gcc4.3 upload (I think) lpia builds are failing. | 16:49 |
| ScottK | http://launchpadlibrarian.net/17347626/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-lpia.clamav_0.93.3.dfsg-1ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz is one such build log. | 16:49 |
| devfil | ScottK: I have the same problem with opencascade | 16:53 |
| devfil | checking for C compiler default output file name... | 16:53 |
| devfil | configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables | 16:53 |
| ScottK | It may just be archive skew too sinced the new gcc build is published on i386 (if there are arch all components), but lpia is still building. | 17:01 |
| ScottK | Or not. I was looking at ia64. | 17:01 |
| doko | no, it's all in the archive | 17:02 |
| ScottK | Right. | 17:03 |
| ScottK | doko: Looking, I don't see that any lpia builds have succeeded since it would have hit. | 17:03 |
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| doko | hmm, there seems to be a problem on i386 as well. I can't reproduce it yet in a local chroot | 17:21 |
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| geser | doko: i486-linux-gnu-gcc: error trying to exec 'cc1': execvp: No such file or directory | 17:45 |
| geser | from config.log from a build on PPA (http://launchpadlibrarian.net/17348817/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-i386.antigrav_0.0.3-2build2~ppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz) | 17:46 |
| doko | yes, seen as well: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/17348728/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-i386.fastjar_2%3A0.96-0ubuntu1~ppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz | 17:46 |
| doko | now tell me why ... | 17:47 |
| broonie | /win 19 | 17:48 |
| doko | geser, ScottK: it looks that the buildd doesn't have the 4.3.x symlinks in some cases, look at | 17:52 |
| doko | http://launchpadlibrarian.net/17348877/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-i386.fastjar_2%3A0.96-0ubuntu1~ppa2_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz (ok) | 17:52 |
| doko | http://launchpadlibrarian.net/17348867/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-amd64.fastjar_2%3A0.96-0ubuntu1~ppa2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz (missing) | 17:53 |
| doko | but they are in the archive ... | 17:53 |
| ScottK | Odd. | 17:53 |
| doko | ahh, it's a wrong version in a Replaces ... | 17:55 |
| doko | now, let's see how to build that ... | 17:55 |
| wujciol_ | I've got question about Bazaar | 18:04 |
| wujciol_ | I pushed revision on branch but on project website lastest revision is not me but older | 18:05 |
| ScottK | wujciol_: I'd suggest #bzr | 18:07 |
| doko | gcc-4.1 doesn't like me: cc1: error: unrecognized command line option "-Wno-overlength-strings" | 18:25 |
| ion_ | pitti, tkamppeter: I rebased the CUPS patch against svn. | 19:24 |
| _MMA_ | Is art licensed under CC-by-ND allowed in the archive? If not, is there a link to this policy? (even a Debian one if we follow that) | 19:32 |
| ion_ | In multiverse, why not? | 19:32 |
| _MMA_ | Universe. | 19:33 |
| ion_ | IIRC ND means no derivatives, thus it isn’t a free license. | 19:34 |
| _MMA_ | Im guessing no but Im trying to make sure its the same for us. If I had to bet its a no for Debian. | 19:34 |
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| geser | _MMA_: it fails point 3 from the DFSG (http://www.debian.org/social_contract.html#guidelines) | 19:36 |
| _MMA_ | Sure | 19:37 |
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| emet | what if Ubuntu got some kind of welcome screen for newbies | 19:54 |
| cody-somerville | Then I'd cry | 19:55 |
| emet | kind of like a out of box experience "Tour Ubuntu" type application | 19:55 |
| _MMA_ | The world would end. | 19:55 |
| emet | lol | 19:55 |
| _MMA_ | Puppies would die. | 19:55 |
| cody-somerville | God will kill kittens | 19:55 |
| Nafallo | oooh | 19:56 |
| Nafallo | what do I need to do? :-) | 19:56 |
| _MMA_ | Nafallo: Smite all notions of a 1st run/tour Ubuntu app. | 19:57 |
| Nafallo | I wouldn't like that. | 19:57 |
| ion_ | We could make an arrow slide from the other side of the screen towards the application menu and then bump against it a couple of times. And patent tha. | 19:57 |
| ion_ | t | 19:57 |
| Nafallo | lol | 19:58 |
| emet | but I am seeing a lot of misconceptions about how to install software on Ubuntu | 19:59 |
| cody-somerville | Same here | 19:59 |
| emet | like newbies going to download.com or something, no joke | 19:59 |
| cody-somerville | I think we should force new users to enrol in a course :-] | 19:59 |
| emet | but when you think about it, and you are someone completely new to Linux or Ubuntu, you go and install Ubuntu - how are you suppose to know? | 20:00 |
| emet | so that's why I think something, maybe a docbook pop up that explains what the hell to do after Ubuntu installs | 20:00 |
| _MMA_ | Isn't what FF does when 1st run? | 20:01 |
| emet | yeah something like that | 20:02 |
| cody-somerville | except its ineffective at what it does. | 20:03 |
| ion_ | Hm. I don’t think i’ve ever *read* the Firefox Ubuntu start page. :-) | 20:04 |
| emet | is there a channel for ubuntu documentation development? | 20:04 |
| cody-somerville | ember, yes | 20:05 |
| cody-somerville | #ubuntu-doc | 20:05 |
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| devfil | can someone explain me why language-support-translations-it depends on thunderbird-locale-it? | 20:56 |
| devfil | thunderbird isn't installed on a default installation, install the italian translation will install also it | 20:56 |
| jpds | devfil: They are "Additional translations", as per apt-cache show. | 20:58 |
| cody-somerville | devfil, Depends: thunderbird | language-support-it | 20:58 |
| devfil | in intrepid it install thunderbird | 20:59 |
| cody-somerville | Don't install language-support-translations-it then | 20:59 |
| cody-somerville | install language-support-it | 20:59 |
| devfil | cody-somerville: language-support-it depends on language-support-translations-it | 21:01 |
| cody-somerville | I'm aware of that | 21:01 |
| cody-somerville | But if you install language-support-it, then the dependency of thunderbird-locale-it will be met and thunderbird won't be installed | 21:02 |
| _MMA_ | language-support-it depends -> language-support-translations-it -> thunderbird-locale-it -> Thunderbird. Last I knew. | 21:02 |
| devfil | _MMA_: you're right | 21:02 |
| devfil | so all italian users will have thunderbird installed... | 21:04 |
| cody-somerville | I'll try it on my Intrepid box later today | 21:06 |
| cody-somerville | on Hardy, it works as expected. | 21:06 |
| devfil | cody-somerville: language-support-it isn't installed, it depends on thunderbird-locale-it, so it install thunderbird | 21:06 |
| devfil | in order to install language-support-it | 21:06 |
| Savago | Hello friends. | 22:11 |
| Savago | Is there any *huge* side effect by installing an intrepid package in Hardy? | 22:12 |
| ion_ | If all its dependencies are in hardy, it should work but you won’t get security updates to it automatically. Now please read the topic. | 22:13 |
| Savago | ion_, thanks a lot. :-) | 22:14 |
| cjwatson | devfil: thunderbird-locale-it should depend on thunderbird | language-support-translations-it rather than thunderbird | language-support-it. That's a bug; please file it | 22:36 |
| devfil | cjwatson: are you sure? | 22:36 |
| cjwatson | yes. | 22:36 |
| devfil | if I install -support-it | 22:36 |
| devfil | it install thunderbird-locale-it in order to install language-support-translations-it | 22:37 |
| cjwatson | yes, but this will at least stop it installing thunderbird too. | 22:37 |
| cjwatson | we have no way to implement anything more fine-grained in the package manager right now; there's no way to say "if thunderbird is already installed then depend on thunderbird-locale-it". Installing an extra locale package that isn't needed (but at least not pulling in the extra application) is the lesser of two evils. | 22:38 |
| devfil | cjwatson: yes ok | 22:38 |
| devfil | a dep between them is ok | 22:38 |
| cjwatson | devfil: actually, don't worry about that bug, I'll just fix it now | 22:40 |
| devfil | thanks | 22:41 |
| cjwatson | p.s. it's not Italian-specific, I fixed it for all languages | 22:43 |
| devfil | cjwatson: oh, goos | 22:44 |
| devfil | *good | 22:44 |
| devfil | I don't use evolution, it is really frustrating to have also thunderbird installed | 22:45 |
| devfil | :) | 22:45 |
| gattaca | I have a vmware issue on gentoo .... its obscure ... perhaps someone skilled enough is willing to throw a hint my way | 23:32 |
| gattaca | i'm running vmware workstation 64bit for linux 6.0.5 (as of a few minutes ago) on a current linux smp 64bit kernel (core2 duo with 2gb ram for the vm, no swapping) ... i have a virtual machine setup with current tools installed along with all updates ... the guest is a windows xp pro sp3 32bit smp system ... xp reports 100% combined cpu usage on two cores, while top in linux reports about 50% combined usage with no iowait and about 50 | 23:32 |
| gattaca | gentoo ... lol ... ubuntu | 23:33 |
| _MMA_ | gattaca: In the end, this is a development channel and the weekend. Not the place and gonna be slow here. | 23:35 |
| gattaca | i think it could be hard coded into a vmware kernel module or background service ... just hoping someone else ran into this | 23:36 |
| cody-somerville | If someone has, I bet you'll find the answer via google ;] | 23:39 |
| gattaca | go ahead and look ... i've been on this for 17 hours non stop | 23:39 |
| gattaca | the last thing i want to do is distract you guys from the important work i love ;) | 23:40 |
| gattaca | ... yet, i am here. | 23:40 |
| cody-somerville | :-) | 23:40 |
| gattaca | on another note, my coding skills have come a long way .... is there a svn or git repository somewhere i could study off of? | 23:42 |
| gattaca | one day i'd like to be in here permantly | 23:42 |
| wgrant | svn or git repository for what? | 23:43 |
| wgrant | We have an awful lot of code... | 23:43 |
| gattaca | low level stuff is mostly what i understand | 23:44 |
| gattaca | ... and security. | 23:45 |
| _MMA_ | gattaca: Best I can say is to try to get involved in something you care about. | 23:48 |
| toresbe | gattaca: I've got to say, entering the Ubuntu developer's discussion forum and asking a Gentoo user support question is... ahm, ill-advised. | 23:48 |
| _MMA_ | toresbe: He corrected himself. | 23:48 |
| gattaca | gentoo was a typo .... my bad. its ubuntu. | 23:48 |
| toresbe | oh, sorry, I misunderstood, pardon me. | 23:48 |
| gattaca | iv'e been using ubuntu as a primary, opensolaris as secondary, and osx as third for about 8 years now ... the windows stuff confuses me, always has, even for the 12 years i used it before becoming enlightened | 23:49 |
| toresbe | Still; it's a user question, this is a developers' channel; it's not the place for it. | 23:49 |
| _MMA_ | toresbe: And he's been told. | 23:49 |
| gattaca | k ... consider it dropped. | 23:50 |
| gattaca | i'll be back ... | 23:50 |
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