[00:47] why does ubuntu have so many image viewing programs by default? don't we really just need one? === RainCT_ is now known as RainCT [01:29] <_MMA_> slangasek: Please push the Alpha for Studio. I'm happy with the tests I've done. [01:29] _MMA_: ack, will do shortly [01:30] <_MMA_> Thanx. [01:32] kirkland: nice manpage site! title searches seem to be exact-match only? [01:33] Hmm. [01:34] How do I use it? [01:34] Nothing on the homepage seems to do anything. [01:34] Ah, I see. The top-right. [01:35] ubuntu needs be able to install apps without root access [01:35] and install it for this user only, not for all users [01:36] m0u5e: what image viewing programs are you referring to, specifically? [01:37] We have f-spot and eog... or do we still have gthumb? [01:41] no we dont have gthumb [01:41] but i know that fspot and eog come by default [01:41] i thought there was one more... [01:41] anyways, last time i checked i think the default viewer doesnt support gifs [01:41] animated* gifs [01:42] f-spot isn't an image viewer, it's a photo manager [01:42] I'm not thinking that we want to launch f-spot for every image view :) === arkara_ is now known as arkara [01:57] was ttf-liberation still being considered as a default for intrepid? It's in main but doesn't seem to get pulled in by default [02:29] _MMA_: studio alpha-5 published, cronjob restarted [02:29] s/started/enabled/ [02:50] sebner: ping? [02:59] <_MMA_> slangasek: Thanx. :) [03:06] Hmmm, I'm currently using the alpha 5 i386 desktop CD, and it's thoroughly broken. [03:07] I have alphanumerics, ctrl, alt, shift, but not much else. [03:07] No arrow keys, home, end, delete... [03:07] Hmm, and my code doesn't think my touchpad is a touchpad. [03:07] X seems confused. [03:10] wgrant: did it work in pre-alpha5 Intrepid? [03:11] LaserJock: I last upgraded on this machine about 48 hours ago. [03:11] So it could have broken in that time. [03:11] But it works flawlessly on my existing installation on this machine. [03:15] Hm. [03:15] Now that I've restarted X, the keyboard works fine. [03:15] Probably that HAL race. [03:17] And these images are too old for my touchpad fixes. That explains it. [03:19] kirkland: wow, manpages.ubuntu.com is not intuitive at the start. You might want to add some sort of explanation to the top of the pages [03:19] LaserJock: +1 [03:54] LaserJock: fair enough... we'll improve the initial index.html page [03:55] kirkland: yeah, just needs a "use the search box to find manpages" notice or something [03:55] LaserJock: I wish I had write access to that machine... unfortunately, I don't [03:55] I thought it was empty and nothing was very clickable [04:00] LaserJock: thanks for the input... i'll commit some changes to bzr, and drop a note for IT to pull those changes === LucidFox is now known as Sikon [04:10] LaserJock: would it have helped any if the starting page was http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/ === Sikon is now known as LucidFox [04:12] kirkland: I guess what I was expecting was an alphabetical listing [04:13] that page would have at least helped, but it's also somewhat confusing [04:14] when you go to an individual release there are language codes [04:14] I clicked on en and didn't find much [04:14] it's only now I see the manX links [04:38] hey LaserJock & kirkland === greeneggsnospam is now known as jsgotangco === RainCT is now known as RainCT_ [10:37] Riddell: could you please commit your change to oem-config that finalised 1.48, preferably using debcommit -r so that it sets the right tag and stuff? [10:37] Riddell: thanks for the fixes [10:39] Riddell: I don't suppose that fixed bug 245228 along the way? [10:39] Launchpad bug 245228 in oem-config "oem-config layout is broken on Kubuntu KDE4" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/245228 [10:41] Riddell: also this looks a bit odd in oem-config-prepare: [10:41] if [ -x /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kdesu.distrib ]; then [10:41] kdesu=/usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kdesu.distrib [10:41] elif [ -x /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kdesu.distrib ]; then [10:42] kdesu=/usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kdesu.distrib [10:42] fi [11:26] cjwatson: committed. yes it should fix that bug. commited a fix for that if elif === stefanlsd_ is now known as stefanlsd [12:13] Riddell: thanks [12:20] tkamppeter_: You requested my e-mail: wligtenberg --AT-- gmail -- dot -- com (Don't know how good those e-mail parsers are... === fta_ is now known as fta [12:53] You can tell Steve Langasek that Intrepid alpha-5 cd (intrepid-desktop-i386.iso) does not boot on HP dv6565en (HP dv65000 series). kernel does not load at all [12:54] Martiini: please file a bug rather than trying to tell the release manager directly; one person doesn't have to fix all bugs in Ubuntu :) [12:54] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+filebug === asac_ is now known as asac [15:38] Hi, why are you including a recently written software for making usbinstallations when there is one that has been around for a while and works just fine? [15:38] I have contacted the developer of liveusb ( https://launchpad.net/liveusb ) and he is happy to merge the projects [15:42] askand: define 'you' here? [15:44] askand: you will probably get a better answer asking on the mailing list than here, especially since it is weekend [15:51] Hobbsee: You as in developers :) torkel: ok thanks [15:52] askand: which is the one that we're supposedly writing? [15:52] * Hobbsee hasn't heard about this. [15:54] Hobbsee: Do you have enough experience with seed management (and time, interest, etc.) that you could help me figure out why clamav-doc didn't make it into supported? [15:54] Hobbsee: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/intrepid-changes/2008-September/006362.html [15:54] bug 263551 [15:54] Launchpad bug 263551 in ubuntu "[FFe] Please accept usb-creator 0.1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/263551 [15:55] askand: ahh [15:55] ScottK: well, clamav-doc doesn't exist :) I presume you mean clamav-docs [15:56] Ah. [15:56] ScottK: are you asking about intrepid ubuntu? [15:56] Yes. [15:56] Hobbsee: clamav is in server-ship now. [15:57] Germinate picked up everything I expected except that. [15:57] ScottK: are you aware that -docs is only a suggests of clamav? [15:58] Hobbsee: Yes, but the extra-include in supported has a regex match on -doc packages. [15:58] Now that you mention it, I expect -docs doesn't match. [15:58] I'll go look at that. [15:58] that's where i'd start looking. [15:59] Thanks for the hint. [15:59] y/w [16:00] This is the first time I touched the seeds directly, so the fact that nothing caught on fire and I merely missed one -doc package feels like a big win. [16:03] ScottK: indeed, it'll be because it's called -docs. Feel free to add *-docs to Extra-Include [16:04] (or rename the package) [16:05] cjwatson: OK. I just added clamav-docs explicitly, I'll go back and add *-docs. Thanks. [16:06] Done. [16:12] askand: on the other hand, liveusb isn't in Ubuntu ... [16:12] askand: it looks like liveusb is a fairly recent project as well, and perhaps Evan just didn't realise it existed until he was already pretty far down the road of writing his own [16:13] that sort of thing does happen sometimes [16:15] cjwatson: perhaps, all I know is that liveusb has been around for a bit longer and therefore had users that reported bugs that has been fixed :) and usb-creator wasnt in ubuntu before 3 sep [16:15] right, it just evidently didn't get noticed in the right place [16:16] cjwatson: anyhow i wrote a comment in the bugreport if they want to work together :) [16:17] I'm unable to see when the feedback request on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/usb-installation-images was left. Did the liveusb developer notice that that specification existed and was assigned to somebody? [16:18] It was propably left there today, i told the liveusb developer of the other projects existence today [16:18] I agree that it would make sense to pool efforts, although without yet having run either of the programs I can't make a judgement about which is better [16:18] they seem to have similar feature sets from just looking through the code [16:20] it doesn't look as though anyone mailed any of the usual mailing lists about liveusb [16:20] (I checked ubuntu-devel, ubuntu-devel-discuss, and ubuntu-installer) [16:20] cjwatson: no, i dont think the liveusb developer was aware that such a feature was wanted for intrepid [16:21] as default [16:21] right, so he didn't realise we were doing something and we didn't realise he was doing something; such things happen sometimes :-( [16:21] yep :) [16:40] Anyone else having trouble with builds on lpia? [16:41] I'm not quite sure what to do about "configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables" when the package builds on other archs. [16:47] OK. Looks like the next upload had the same issue on lpia: [16:47] checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables [16:49] doko: It seems since your latest gcc4.3 upload (I think) lpia builds are failing. [16:49] http://launchpadlibrarian.net/17347626/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-lpia.clamav_0.93.3.dfsg-1ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz is one such build log. [16:53] ScottK: I have the same problem with opencascade [16:53] checking for C compiler default output file name... [16:53] configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables [17:01] It may just be archive skew too sinced the new gcc build is published on i386 (if there are arch all components), but lpia is still building. [17:01] Or not. I was looking at ia64. [17:02] no, it's all in the archive [17:03] Right. [17:03] doko: Looking, I don't see that any lpia builds have succeeded since it would have hit. === DrKranz is now known as DktrKranz [17:21] hmm, there seems to be a problem on i386 as well. I can't reproduce it yet in a local chroot === emma is now known as |riVen| === |riVen| is now known as emma [17:45] doko: i486-linux-gnu-gcc: error trying to exec 'cc1': execvp: No such file or directory [17:46] from config.log from a build on PPA (http://launchpadlibrarian.net/17348817/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-i386.antigrav_0.0.3-2build2~ppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz) [17:46] yes, seen as well: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/17348728/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-i386.fastjar_2%3A0.96-0ubuntu1~ppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [17:47] now tell me why ... [17:48] /win 19 [17:52] geser, ScottK: it looks that the buildd doesn't have the 4.3.x symlinks in some cases, look at [17:52] http://launchpadlibrarian.net/17348877/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-i386.fastjar_2%3A0.96-0ubuntu1~ppa2_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz (ok) [17:53] http://launchpadlibrarian.net/17348867/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-amd64.fastjar_2%3A0.96-0ubuntu1~ppa2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz (missing) [17:53] but they are in the archive ... [17:53] Odd. [17:55] ahh, it's a wrong version in a Replaces ... [17:55] now, let's see how to build that ... [18:04] I've got question about Bazaar [18:05] I pushed revision on branch but on project website lastest revision is not me but older [18:07] wujciol_: I'd suggest #bzr [18:25] gcc-4.1 doesn't like me: cc1: error: unrecognized command line option "-Wno-overlength-strings" [19:24] pitti, tkamppeter: I rebased the CUPS patch against svn. [19:32] <_MMA_> Is art licensed under CC-by-ND allowed in the archive? If not, is there a link to this policy? (even a Debian one if we follow that) [19:32] In multiverse, why not? [19:33] <_MMA_> Universe. [19:34] IIRC ND means no derivatives, thus it isn’t a free license. [19:34] <_MMA_> Im guessing no but Im trying to make sure its the same for us. If I had to bet its a no for Debian. === superm1|away is now known as superm1 [19:36] _MMA_: it fails point 3 from the DFSG (http://www.debian.org/social_contract.html#guidelines) [19:37] <_MMA_> Sure === superm1 is now known as superm1|away [19:54] what if Ubuntu got some kind of welcome screen for newbies [19:55] Then I'd cry [19:55] kind of like a out of box experience "Tour Ubuntu" type application [19:55] <_MMA_> The world would end. [19:55] lol [19:55] <_MMA_> Puppies would die. [19:55] God will kill kittens [19:56] oooh [19:56] what do I need to do? :-) [19:57] <_MMA_> Nafallo: Smite all notions of a 1st run/tour Ubuntu app. [19:57] I wouldn't like that. [19:57] We could make an arrow slide from the other side of the screen towards the application menu and then bump against it a couple of times. And patent tha. [19:57] t [19:58] lol [19:59] but I am seeing a lot of misconceptions about how to install software on Ubuntu [19:59] Same here [19:59] like newbies going to download.com or something, no joke [19:59] I think we should force new users to enrol in a course :-] [20:00] but when you think about it, and you are someone completely new to Linux or Ubuntu, you go and install Ubuntu - how are you suppose to know? [20:00] so that's why I think something, maybe a docbook pop up that explains what the hell to do after Ubuntu installs [20:01] <_MMA_> Isn't what FF does when 1st run? [20:02] yeah something like that [20:03] except its ineffective at what it does. [20:04] Hm. I don’t think i’ve ever *read* the Firefox Ubuntu start page. :-) [20:04] is there a channel for ubuntu documentation development? [20:05] ember, yes [20:05] #ubuntu-doc === dwatson is now known as davewatson [20:56] can someone explain me why language-support-translations-it depends on thunderbird-locale-it? [20:56] thunderbird isn't installed on a default installation, install the italian translation will install also it [20:58] devfil: They are "Additional translations", as per apt-cache show. [20:58] devfil, Depends: thunderbird | language-support-it [20:59] in intrepid it install thunderbird [20:59] Don't install language-support-translations-it then [20:59] install language-support-it [21:01] cody-somerville: language-support-it depends on language-support-translations-it [21:01] I'm aware of that [21:02] But if you install language-support-it, then the dependency of thunderbird-locale-it will be met and thunderbird won't be installed [21:02] <_MMA_> language-support-it depends -> language-support-translations-it -> thunderbird-locale-it -> Thunderbird. Last I knew. [21:02] _MMA_: you're right [21:04] so all italian users will have thunderbird installed... [21:06] I'll try it on my Intrepid box later today [21:06] on Hardy, it works as expected. [21:06] cody-somerville: language-support-it isn't installed, it depends on thunderbird-locale-it, so it install thunderbird [21:06] in order to install language-support-it [22:11] Hello friends. [22:12] Is there any *huge* side effect by installing an intrepid package in Hardy? [22:13] If all its dependencies are in hardy, it should work but you won’t get security updates to it automatically. Now please read the topic. [22:14] ion_, thanks a lot. :-) [22:36] devfil: thunderbird-locale-it should depend on thunderbird | language-support-translations-it rather than thunderbird | language-support-it. That's a bug; please file it [22:36] cjwatson: are you sure? [22:36] yes. [22:36] if I install -support-it [22:37] it install thunderbird-locale-it in order to install language-support-translations-it [22:37] yes, but this will at least stop it installing thunderbird too. [22:38] we have no way to implement anything more fine-grained in the package manager right now; there's no way to say "if thunderbird is already installed then depend on thunderbird-locale-it". Installing an extra locale package that isn't needed (but at least not pulling in the extra application) is the lesser of two evils. [22:38] cjwatson: yes ok [22:38] a dep between them is ok [22:40] devfil: actually, don't worry about that bug, I'll just fix it now [22:41] thanks [22:43] p.s. it's not Italian-specific, I fixed it for all languages [22:44] cjwatson: oh, goos [22:44] *good [22:45] I don't use evolution, it is really frustrating to have also thunderbird installed [22:45] :) [23:32] I have a vmware issue on gentoo .... its obscure ... perhaps someone skilled enough is willing to throw a hint my way [23:32] i'm running vmware workstation 64bit for linux 6.0.5 (as of a few minutes ago) on a current linux smp 64bit kernel (core2 duo with 2gb ram for the vm, no swapping) ... i have a virtual machine setup with current tools installed along with all updates ... the guest is a windows xp pro sp3 32bit smp system ... xp reports 100% combined cpu usage on two cores, while top in linux reports about 50% combined usage with no iowait and about 50 [23:33] gentoo ... lol ... ubuntu [23:35] <_MMA_> gattaca: In the end, this is a development channel and the weekend. Not the place and gonna be slow here. [23:36] i think it could be hard coded into a vmware kernel module or background service ... just hoping someone else ran into this [23:39] If someone has, I bet you'll find the answer via google ;] [23:39] go ahead and look ... i've been on this for 17 hours non stop [23:40] the last thing i want to do is distract you guys from the important work i love ;) [23:40] ... yet, i am here. [23:40] :-) [23:42] on another note, my coding skills have come a long way .... is there a svn or git repository somewhere i could study off of? [23:42] one day i'd like to be in here permantly [23:43] svn or git repository for what? [23:43] We have an awful lot of code... [23:44] low level stuff is mostly what i understand [23:45] ... and security. [23:48] <_MMA_> gattaca: Best I can say is to try to get involved in something you care about. [23:48] gattaca: I've got to say, entering the Ubuntu developer's discussion forum and asking a Gentoo user support question is... ahm, ill-advised. [23:48] <_MMA_> toresbe: He corrected himself. [23:48] gentoo was a typo .... my bad. its ubuntu. [23:48] oh, sorry, I misunderstood, pardon me. [23:49] iv'e been using ubuntu as a primary, opensolaris as secondary, and osx as third for about 8 years now ... the windows stuff confuses me, always has, even for the 12 years i used it before becoming enlightened [23:49] Still; it's a user question, this is a developers' channel; it's not the place for it. [23:49] <_MMA_> toresbe: And he's been told. [23:50] k ... consider it dropped. [23:50] i'll be back ...