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LjL[01:21:17] *** LjL sets mode: +zb %seekingtruth!*@*00:22
LjL[01:21:19] <seekingtruth> ljL stop flexing youre muscle00:22
LjL[01:21:29] <seekingtruth> LjL youre a loser and tosser00:22
LjL[01:21:41] <seekingtruth> LjL ego problems cayuse he has ops00:22
LjL[01:21:47] *** LjL sets mode: +b *!*@unaffiliated/seekingtruth00:22
LjL(and PM) [01:22:41] <seekingtruth> you have such a deep pride and ego issue, very condesnding too.  Many people talk abnout you and your ego issues <- i'm starting to suspect something, as in two days i've had two people moaning about my ego, and apparently being aware others are...00:23
Myrttia-ha, intresting00:25
Myrttiwhere did you kick him from00:26
LjL#ubuntu00:26
LjLi muted him first00:26
LjLi was about to tell him - for the first time - that he had been answered, and he should moderate his tones00:26
LjLbut his reaction to my mere opping up (not even the muting) made me think otherwise00:27
Myrttihow lovely00:29
* Myrtti yawns00:49
ubot3In #ubuntuforums-beginners, alan_m said: ubot3: microshaft is see !microsoft01:09
Flannelor... maybe not01:10
wgrantI can reban someone for ban evasion for simply objecting to leaving when it is pointed out that they're still banned, but their hostname has changed, can't I?01:14
LjLi'd say yes, absolutely01:16
stdinyou can ban someone for ban evasion, especially after you've pointed out they are evading01:16
Flannelwgrant: ban evasion is ban evasion.  You should explain to them that the ban is for them, not their hostname, and just because of technical limitations in the banning procedure, theyre still not allowed01:17
jribLjL: welcome back01:17
wgrantThat's what I thought. Just checking. Thanks.01:17
LjLjrib: eh, you're... late? :P01:22
jribLjL: only 50 minutes :)01:24
LjLjrib: err... unless by "back" you mean something i don't get, i've been around for slightly more than 50 minutes01:29
jribLjL: the welcome you were getting from seekingtruth which you surely missed01:31
PriceChildodd...01:33
jribPriceChild: hmm?01:33
PriceChildpidgin's warning me about certificates msn and google talk are using... their ssl issuer isn't known01:34
PriceChildjust checked their fingerprints and they are the same for both :s01:34
LjLjrib: are you implying i've known him before?01:34
jribLjL: nah, never mind01:34
LjLjrib: or, i'm "back" as soon as i start banning people again?01:35
jribLjL: as soon as users start sending you messages like those01:36
LjLeh jrib, i'm sorry, i'm afraid it's too late for your subtle irony to get through me easily :)01:37
jribLjL: is it about 2am where you are?01:37
LjL2:3901:39
jribsomeone should extend date so I can jsut do 'date --italy'01:39
LjLand i really should be heading to bed01:39
LjLbut wobblywu keeps babbling about the eeepc and just won't let me01:39
* LjL forces himself to bed, night01:40
garthounetya des francais ici?02:25
garthounetfrench?02:25
ubottuFloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)02:36
ubottuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)02:36
winXpertstest my connection please02:58
PiciwinXperts: Did you read the entire topic in the channel you were forwarded to?03:01
Gneahello, is the word 'crap' considered a swear word in the ubuntu world?03:56
Gnea(yes, silly question, but there seems to be some debate on it going on.)03:56
jribfine with me04:04
Picias with me.04:04
Picier, I mean I don't concider it a swear.04:04
jribsame04:04
Gneaalright. :) thanks04:04
jribnight04:05
Gnealater04:05
guy_Hello,05:19
guy_I search to install a linux-image-vserver but I see the util-vserver tool but not the kernel05:20
naliothguy_: support is in #ubuntu05:20
guy_do you know a third-party repositorie05:21
naliothor #ubuntu-be05:21
guy_yes I ask to the support and I'm redirected to this channel05:21
naliothsomeone was telling you a joke.  this is not a support channel05:21
guy_ok05:22
naliothwe don't recommend 3d party repositories, either05:22
guy_do you know why this functionnalities are not present on gutsy and hardy ?05:23
naliothguy_: #ubuntu or #ubuntu-be, please05:24
guy_ok bye05:25
evilbughey, my router seems to be fine but i still am not able to connect to #ubuntu. can one of you admins help me out?06:35
evilbughey nalioth, helping hand please?06:36
evilbugnight.06:48
Myrttimoin09:02
MyrttiGOOD morning09:07
ompaulit is09:11
ompaulI can go for breakfast now09:11
ompaullaters :)09:11
Myrttitata09:11
elkbuntuoh nom! cappuccino flavoured popcorn.09:30
* elkbuntu tries to not eat more, as it will make the curry veges in the microwave taste weird09:30
jussi01morning!09:32
* jussi01 has a hangover...09:33
* elkbuntu has no sympathy09:35
Myrttioh crapadoola09:50
* Myrtti sighs and goes to collect hay from the floor09:50
elkbuntusomeone sneak out and make a mess?09:52
* elkbuntu offers Myrtti some vanillabean icecream09:59
MyrttiLOL10:13
Myrtti# mjg59 thinks these two are the most crack ever seen on a laptop...10:13
ubottuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join)10:29
elkbuntuMyrtti, hah, said about what, where?10:30
Myrtti/usr/share/hotkey-setup/acer-aspire-1600.hk10:37
Myrttithat's in Intrepid10:42
Myrttiprolly in some earlier ones too10:42
jpdsWe need a factoid for: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/10:54
elkbuntui dont get that page...10:56
jpdselkbuntu: Put: "ls" into title search.10:56
elkbuntuoh10:56
elkbuntuthe whole ".  .  .  .  .  . - (1) blah" thing confuses me10:57
jpdshttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2008-September/026427.html10:58
Myrttitis cool11:04
bazhangbobchy, how may we help you11:08
jpdsI blame the ident.11:09
bazhangwithout a doubt11:09
elkbuntuheh11:16
elkbuntuyou really must wonder about some people11:16
bazhangbobchy, you need to change your ident11:19
=== bobchy is now known as aqwr
=== aqwr is now known as KillWithMe
jpdsQuite.11:30
elkbuntuKillWithMe, your ident is not your nick, it's the bit you have 'the F word' in12:12
elkbuntuyou'll need to disconnect and reconnect before it'll change12:13
elkbuntuonce you do that, you'll automatically be let back into the channel you wanted to go to12:13
LjLsorry for being offtopic, but i just have to try here too: does fwrite() somehow buffer and delay writes in PHP, especially when on a socket and there's nothing coming inbound to it?14:18
ompaulstack trace it?14:18
ompaulsorry I don't know that is my only useful answer14:18
LjLnot sure how i stack trace a PHP program...14:19
ompaulhttp://ie2.php.net/fwrite14:19
MyrttiLol14:19
ompaulMyrtti, at?14:19
MyrttiOmpaul made a funny14:20
ompaulf right14:20
MyrttiStacktrace it14:20
MyrttiMwah14:20
ompaulMyrtti, well you can make anything go though a stack and see what system calls are made, so you can watch the buffer being set and run14:20
ompaul:P14:20
LjLompaul: it's difficult though, as it's a heisenbug14:21
LjLit's happening with the italian floodbots14:21
LjL(but i believe the only reason it's not happening with our ones is that there's more traffic here)14:21
ompaulLjL, it seems to be the case reading that, that correct behaviour is read full string14:21
ompaulLjL, how do you tell them to stop reading string14:21
LjLhm? it stops at \n14:22
ompaulIf the length  argument is given, writing will stop after length  bytes have been written or the end of string  is reached, whichever comes first.14:22
LjLright, but i'm not using the length argument14:22
ompaulhow is it understanding that \n is there14:22
ompaulor the end of string  is reached, whichever comes first.14:22
ompaulso it does not care14:23
LjLwell, it reaches the end of string... sorry i don't get you -- it's a *write*, so it know how much it's long14:23
ompaulis it seeing the end of string correctly14:23
LjLit does mention in the comments that it might fail, or not write the entire buffer, when used on socket14:23
ompaulohh14:23
ompaulahh14:23
LjLbut that's not the case here, because it *does* write the whole thing... it just takes one minute or so sometimes14:23
LjLit basically looks like lag, but i'm very suspicious that it's actual lag14:24
LjLsince 1) the english floodbot is running on the very same machine, and doesn't exhibit that behavior 2) it really only seems to happen when there's no channel activity14:24
ompaulok so question14:25
ompaulnot knowing anything about php14:25
ompaulwhat does the socket command look like14:25
ompaulso I can read its definitions and handling14:26
LjLompaul, well, i'm using stream_socket_client() at the moment. there are alternatives, i used another previously (don't quite remember why i switched). the only suggestion i got from ##php is to switch to the socket_* functions (which includes ditching fwrite() and fgets()...)14:27
LjLbut they didn't really give me a reason for that suggestion14:27
LjLthey basically said "it's a bad idea to write a bot in php, and an even worse idea to not use straight sockets"14:28
ompaulack14:28
LjLboth of which i doubt if not substantiated14:28
LjLompaul: anyway, moment14:29
LjLompaul: to connect, stream_socket_client("tcp://".$IRCServer.":".$IRCPort); http://it.php.net/manual/en/function.stream-socket-client.php14:29
ompaulok14:30
LjLompaul: then i use stream_set_timeout($IRCd, 3); for poor man's asynchronous reading http://it.php.net/manual/en/function.stream-set-timeout.php14:30
LjL(and it's not the input stream that's blocking, i know that for sure, as i have a check in place involving time())14:30
ompaulhttp://ie2.php.net/manual/en/function.socket-recvfrom.php  looks interesting14:30
LjLompaul: fgets($IRCd); to read http://it.php.net/manual/en/function.fgets.php14:30
MyrttiHow about -monitor for this?14:31
LjLompaul: socket_send and socket_recv are the ones you use for straight sockets, and that too, but i'd rather keep using streams if at all possible...14:31
LjLi also add fflush() now after every write, but that hasn't seemed to help14:31
LjLMyrtti: ok14:31
MyrttiOr some other...14:31
ompaulsocket_read() returns the data as a string on success, or FALSE on error (including if the remote host has closed the connection).14:32
ompaulit is all mad14:32
ompaulLjL, it is php - I can fain interested for only so long ;-)14:32
* ompaul runs14:32
LjLfeign14:32
ompaulthat too :)14:32
LjLalright i guess i'll try using plain sockets *sigh*14:33
ompaulis there a ubuntu tinyurl thing?14:55
ompauland is there a pici in the house14:56
ompaulI have a mad idea14:56
ompaulit might help with the bots a lot14:56
ompaulI say might ;-)14:56
ompaulgo_beep_yourself, can we help you15:38
elkbuntuompaul, it's the bovine pest15:39
ompaulgo_beep_yourself, for your use of scripts on irc and generally just dropping by and not bothering to communicate with us I point you at the topic15:41
* PriceChild wonders what glade88 is doing.16:29
jdong10:28 -!- go_beep_yourself [n=moo@208-117-11-160.block5.gvtc.com] has joined  #ubuntu-ops16:32
jdongthat's linux_noob / moocow right?16:32
jdongthe person who started with having the n-word in his /whois16:32
jdongand then started joining to all our channels with dual accounts16:32
Myrttijdong: yup16:32
jdongcool :)16:32
LjLsounds involved16:53
LjLanyone remember off hands the nick of the turkish fellow spurting gibberish?16:56
bazhangmateru ?16:57
LjLno, but close, maverus16:57
bazhangah right16:57
ompauluniversity^w ops challenge with LJL ;-)16:57
LjLwhy does whois hang on his IP though :|16:58
PriceChildoffline for me16:58
ompaulPriceChild, you is here16:58
ompaul(yes I know - sorry I am confused, working with some broken dns in some strange way)16:59
LjLPriceChild: i mean "whois" on the console16:59
PriceChildI should read more.16:59
LjLtrying to find out whether they're both Turk Telecom16:59
LjLwait, i haven't explained while i'm asking in the first place... there's another turk spurting nonsense in the italian chat channel16:59
LjLmostly in broken english16:59
LjLIP is quite different though17:00
LjL...17:02
LjLmy whois worked this time17:02
LjLdescr:          TT ADSL-meteksan TTnet dynamic_gay17:02
* LjL is perplexed17:02
LjLi know ADSL is asymmetric, but there's a difference between that and gay :P17:04
* ompaul is angrier than a disturbed hornets nest 17:06
Seeker`ompaul: why?17:39
bazhangkevinO, how may we help you17:50
kevinOi am fed up with ubuntu17:50
kevinOi went in there and asked a simple question17:51
kevinOi have not cursed to anyone, and i am told to leave17:51
kevinOi think your ops need to start scrolling back through the logs before they jump in on a conversation and start making things worse than they are.17:54
bazhangkevinO, no one of the operators asked you to leave17:56
kevinOkevinO> Gnea, the last time i assked something about Ubuntu studio i was not helped so i just figured id see if there was anyone out there that used it first before i gave this big long paragraph of why it doesnt even work for me. However i get tired of coming in here and having smart alecs respond to my question with some thiing that is well, just pointless, when all they had to do is ignore the question if they did not have an answer17:56
kevinO<kevinO> Gnea, i think ill take my problem elsewhere for now17:56
kevinO<soundray> kevinO: if you find the people in this channel too smart-alec, go get your help elsewhere17:57
kevinO<kevinO> soundray, that is what i just wrote17:57
bazhangkevinO, do you see something in your initial post that would make helpers somewhat reluctant to help?17:57
kevinO<soundray> kevinO: good for you, now do it.17:57
kevinOdid you see how this all started though?17:57
bazhangkevinO, did you just not post it all right now?17:58
kevinOnope17:58
ompaul<kevinO> doesn anyone here use ubuntu studio?17:58
ompaul<arvind_khadri> !anyone | kevinO17:58
ompaul<ubottu> kevinO: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?17:58
ompaul<kevinO> arvind_khadri, i did ask the real question!17:58
ompaul<Gnea> kevinO: we don't operate that way. plenty of people here do. there's a reason that you're asking that question, and THAT is the question you should be asking.17:58
kevinO ty17:58
ompaul<Gnea> kevinO: so what do you need to know about ubuntu studio?17:58
ompaul<kevinO> Gnea, the last time i assked something about Ubuntu studio i was not helped so i just figured id see if there was anyone out there that used it first before i gave this big long paragraph of why it doesnt even work for me. However i get tired of coming in here and having smart alecs respond to my question with some thiing that is well, just pointless, when all they had to do is ignore the question if they did not have an answer17:58
ompaulkevinO, it is my sad duty to tell you in those lines you never asked for help17:58
ompaulkevinO, this is IRC you ask what you want help with not some kind of - does anyone17:59
kevinOi did however ask a question17:59
ompaul!anyone17:59
ubottuA large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?17:59
kevinOwhich would have led to a specific question had i been answered17:59
ompaulno17:59
kevinOyes17:59
ompaulyou should have asked specific question when you got the nod from the bot17:59
ompaulbut you went on a rant in its place18:00
kevinOif someone would have said yes, kevino i do use ubuntu studio what can i do for you?18:00
ompaulhow about18:00
kevinOthen i would have asked my question18:00
ompaul!ubuntustudio18:00
ubottuUbuntuStudio is a collection of packages for the artist who wishes to use Ubuntu as their Digital Audio Workstation. It contains all the best Audio/Visual components from the Ubuntu repositories. For more info and install instructions, join #ubuntustudio or see http://ubuntustudio.org18:00
kevinObut that did not happen18:00
ompaulkevinO, the society on irc did not see you as asking within its norms18:00
kevinOive been to ubuntu studio . org18:00
ompaulyour version of a question was not18:01
ompaulone that would get help18:01
kevinOand is this not the place to get help for ubuntu studio18:01
ompaulyour version was not18:01
ompaulasking how do I do X18:01
kevinOhow am i suppposed to know if this channel is for ubuntu studio?18:01
ompaulwhich is how you get an answer on irc18:01
kevinOi was testing the wateers man18:01
ompaulwell you got your toe cold18:01
bazhangthere be sharks in these waters18:02
kevinOi mean if i were to ask a kde question, someone would probably jump down my throat and say ask that in #kubuntu18:02
kevinOwould they not?18:02
ompaulno18:02
kevinOwhatever18:02
ompaulthey might answer if18:02
kevinOthis is obserd18:02
ompaulyou said how do I do X with kicker18:02
ompaulor y with konqueror18:02
kevinOscresw you all im done with this18:02
ompaulor some such18:02
ompaulthank you for your particpation18:02
bazhangwow18:02
ompaulthat was a troll or maybe not18:03
ompaulhe had that18:03
ompaullarge complaint ready to paste18:03
bazhanghis name seems very familiar18:03
bazhangsomething related to bots I think18:03
ompaulI can has dinner18:04
ompaulback later18:04
ompauland I cooked it :)18:04
ompaulohh18:04
bazhanghaha18:04
ompaulbazhang, what did you say18:04
bazhangthe bot went for your dinner ompaul :)18:04
ompaul10 minutes to eat the lovelies18:14
ompaulrice banana apple egg chicken18:14
ompaulwith a side helping of water18:14
Seeker`ubottu has gone?!?!?!18:30
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about has gone?!?!?!18:30
Seeker`I saw ubottu quit, and not rejoin18:30
ompaul* ubottu (n=supybot@ubuntu/bot/ubottu) has joined #ubuntu-ops18:34
ompaulthat was before it replied to you Seeker` ;-)18:35
ompaulI am still ready to have something for dinner :)18:35
ompaulsee notes about hornets nest18:35
ompaulI have some dns that is being nasty18:35
ompauland it has been for days18:35
ompaulI fixed a lot of other issues I think it would nearly be faster if I was to rebuild all the dns stuff by hand18:36
* ompaul tries a little trick18:36
emmaHello there friends.18:48
emmaWhat happened to the IRSeekBot?18:48
PriceChildemma: We do not run irseek.18:48
PriceChildemma: they have a link to contact them on http://irseek.com/18:49
emmaYes I'm aware. Which has always been one of the reasons I wonder why you welcome it to be here.18:49
emmaI thought perhaps Freenode or #ubuntu might know why it's missing.18:49
PriceChildemma: you would have to ask them.18:50
emmaOkay.18:50
emmaSo you don't know if IRSeekbot is coming back?18:50
PriceChildemma: we still do not run irseek.18:50
emmaHehe.18:50
PriceChild:)18:50
emmaOkay cool then. Do you think there would be anything else?18:51
PriceChildPardon?18:51
naliothanything else for what?18:51
emmaI'm going to have to ask that you excuse me while I part, because there are some channels that I do not like to have present as I idle.18:52
emmaTake care.18:52
naliothalrighty then (whatever that was about)18:52
* PriceChild grins18:52
PriceChildnalioth: she was turning it around on us, asking if we had anything else we wanted to ask her before she left, claiming that she doesn't idle in certain channels.18:53
nalioth0_o18:53
Piciokay then18:59
Piciompaul: pong?19:00
ompaulPici, so I had an idea19:00
Piciompaul: uh oh19:00
LjLoh crap, another19:01
ompaulPici, so I saw in some factoids19:01
ompaul!guidelines19:01
ubottuThe guidelines for using the Ubuntu channels can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines19:01
ompaulno19:01
ompaulthat would not be useful19:01
ompaulI need one with a see also19:01
ompauljust a sec19:02
ompaul!install19:02
ubottuUbuntu can be installed in a lot of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall. Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate19:02
ompaulso question 119:02
ompaulis there a tinyurl.ubuntu.com19:03
ompaulor somewhere19:03
ompaulI think there is19:03
ompaulif we were to use it in place of19:03
ompaulsee https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and !automate19:03
ompaulwe could win some and loose some and do this19:04
ompaulhave the bot return the small urls19:04
ompaulso that we would have shorter links19:04
PiciAre long links really a problem?19:04
ompauland less !foo foo is blah you might like to !bar19:04
ompaul!bar19:04
ubottubaz19:04
ompaulbar is etc and so forth19:04
ompaulPici, when I started out with bot stuff I used to remove the long multi entry stuff and stick as much of it on the wiki and link up the wiki or some such19:05
jussi01!-bar19:06
ubottubar has no aliases - added by mneptok on 2007-12-08 00:28:48 - last edited by Seveas on 2007-09-19 13:36:0419:06
ompaulbut when you have three or four items on the screen all referring to parts of a problem the issue is not irc but wiki at that point19:06
ubottuIn ubottu, ompaul said: no bar is buzzy buzzy bop didy bop19:07
ompaulhehehe19:07
* ompaul sings along with Dave Lee Roth19:07
ompaulanyway19:07
ompaul@login19:08
ubottuThe operation succeeded.19:08
ompaulPici, your thoughts other than I should meet the men in the white coats please19:08
PiciI'm not seeing much improvment to the factoids.  I think we should focus on getting the information into the wikis rather than pursuing a tinyurl 'solution'19:09
PiciPerhaps working with the documentation team to do so.19:09
ompaulyeap19:09
ompaulwell I would rather see a single entry19:09
LjLi don't honestly see much of a problem period... when URLs are pretty long, though, sometimes you can just make a redirect from the wiki19:09
ompaulone line19:09
LjLthe /community/ part in help. doesn't help19:10
LjLcheck the #ubuntu topic19:10
LjLtwo of the links in there didn't exist before i made them as redirects19:10
ompaulLjL, I am suggesting something extreme - one url per factoid - it should be self contained19:10
LjLand i still disagree as much as i did last time :)19:10
ompauland I know this is the case but I still think I have a point19:11
ompaulspeaking of which I can has brain dump of bot?19:11
LjLompaul, sure, you have a point. the italian guys do it this way (or at least they used to), and it works. it's two different ways of doing it, i don't think one is superior19:11
LjLhowever, we've been doing it this way for years, we have a big and useful database of factoids, i don't think there's a reason to overhaul it19:11
ompaul!bot19:12
LjLjust like i don't think the italians should overhaul theirs19:12
ubottuHi! I'm #ubuntu-ops's favorite infobot, you can search my brain yourself at http://tinyurl.com/5zfb6t - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots19:12
ompaulwell I think the proof that I am right is stuff like this19:13
ompaul!codecs19:13
ubottuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats19:13
ompaulon the restricted formats page the link to Free Formats is there19:13
LjLompaul: yes, but i think that was added to *urge* people to use them... you know people don't read19:14
ompaulso therefore they won't get to C/common-tasks19:14
* ompaul takes the weak argument and fries it easy over in olive oil with some peppers and onions with crushed garlic19:15
ompaulin !grub there are two factoids but we can get people to one from the other19:16
ompauland here is a classic19:16
ompaul!sudo19:16
ubottusudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information. For graphical applications see !gksu (Gnome), or !kdesu (KDE)19:16
ompaulPici, perhaps you will say no on this, but I will take your word on this until the next time I bring this up19:17
PiciI will say no ;)19:17
ompaulsudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo in GNOME use gksu in KDE use kdesu19:17
LjLno19:18
ompaulBAH!19:18
LjLthat's wrong, to begin with. the mere fact that you're in GNOME doesn't mean you should use gksu19:18
LjLyou should use them *for graphical applications*19:18
ompaulok19:18
LjLand i really don't see what you have against factoid links19:18
ompaulthis is all covered within the sudo page link19:18
LjLompaul, see19:19
ompaulso we are pointing to the resource (or a subset of it)19:19
LjLonce upon a time, !sudo *didn't mention* anything about kdesu and gksu19:19
LjL(while the rootsudo page did)19:19
LjLit was added *because* people kept using sudo for graphical apps19:19
LjLit wasn't added because i felt like randomly adding it19:19
ompaulpoint19:19
* ompaul feels I am not being very productive 19:20
ompaulmaybe I should go and become tiredompaul ;-)19:20
ompaulI don't seem to be in agreement with people of late at all19:20
ompaulLjL, you are not allowed say "ever" ;-)19:21
ompaulright I am going to read a book on DNS maybe that will make me happier19:22
ompaul;-)19:22
LjLi think i pissed him off...19:22
Myrttiawww19:23
MyrttiI should've given him a lollipop19:23
LjLi'm sorry i keep disagreeing with him about the bot, but maybe he doesn't realize i've worked quite a bit on the bot factoids, it's mostly me who made them all interlinked in the first place, and striving to make them comprehensive enough while still being of a right length for irc19:25
LjLi can't just agree on undoing all that i did19:25
Flanneltinyurl for wiki links is a bad idea20:02
Flannelbecause then you actually have to visit, to see what its actually linked to, etc.20:03
FlannelAnd, what's wrong with the link to the sudo factoid?  His improvement removed like ten characters, and a whole lot of information.20:04
* Flannel must be missing something.20:04
ompaulohh look20:09
ompaulis this my lucky day20:10
ompaulyou bought a one week ban have a nice day you will be let in next week20:10
ompaulLjL, you about?20:10
Flannelping jussi0120:11
WastePotatoOh. Sorry. I was telling someone how to join this channel.20:11
ompaul!ping | Flannel20:11
WastePotatoBai.20:11
ubottuFlannel: ping yourself ;-) really the diodes all down my left side are sore20:11
* ompaul wonders will we be doing the20:12
ompaulNo we don't discuss other peoples bans with third parties dance shortly20:12
Flannelhmmm.  He's banned in -offtopic currently?20:14
ompaulas far as I know yes20:14
Flannelfor about 26 hours now?20:14
ompaulyes20:15
ompaulI told him one week yesterday before I banned him20:15
Flannelompaul: Your ban must be broken, since he was in the channel (with the same hostname) yesterday20:15
Flanneland this morning20:15
ompaulgmm20:15
ompaulhmm20:15
FlannelOh wait20:17
FlannelI see.20:17
ompauldifferent ip?20:17
Flannel-143 instead of -19, yeah20:17
Flannel143 is banned, and thats what he just used to connect, but in -ot it was -1920:17
ompaulwho told me yesterday that this was a static ip isp -- I actually know20:17
ompaullovely20:17
ompaulso know the spud gets banned himself20:18
Flannelompaul: actually, wait20:18
ompaulI can has wait20:19
Flannelompaul: was coagen Wastepotato then?20:19
ompaulplease know I am going slowly going insane20:19
ompaulwith DNS problem that has me confounded20:19
ompaulFlannel, not that I know of20:20
ompaulall I know is that the user@ and nick matched20:20
Myrttiho-hum20:21
jpdsEvening.20:23
ompaulsmall incremental steps20:23
Flannelubottu's broked!20:24
Flannelompaul, -ot, negge20:24
Flanneler, anyone.  /me notes there are more awake people20:24
ompauljpds,  I have to state, you have an accurate take on the current time20:24
WastePotatoompaul: In the order of mega, giga, tera, what comes after peta?20:27
ompaulthis is not a help channel20:27
ompaulWastePotato, I point you at the topic20:27
ompaulhave a nice day20:28
WastePotatokthxbys20:28
* Flannel exa-cuses him from this channel.20:28
ompaulhahaha20:28
ompaulFlannel, you managing to make me laugh20:28
Nafallohehe. -se is currently discussing the end of the world :-)20:29
Nafalloor universe. they are not sure ;-)20:29
jussi01Dont touch!20:29
ompaulwhois20:29
ompaulhehe20:29
FlannelNafallo: California is going to break off to hang with hawaii.20:29
NafalloFlannel: rather LHC paranoia :-)20:29
FlannelAh.20:30
* Flannel mentions Thursdays UF.20:30
Flannelwhile not end-of-the-world topical, of course.20:30
Myrttiperhaps Turku will detach from Finland if we jump on the market square hard enough20:30
jpdsFlannel: Alsaka can come too.20:30
jussi01!test20:31
ubottusigh... again? I'm busy here, I already told you it failed.20:31
jussi01:)20:31
Flannelah, and btlogin works again too20:34
ompaul@login20:36
ubottuThe operation succeeded.20:36
ubottuIn ubottu, anris said: thx, but it is going to fast for me,21:05
jdong*grin* "In ubottu"....21:56

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