[00:22] <LjL> [01:21:17] *** LjL sets mode: +zb %seekingtruth!*@*
[00:22] <LjL> [01:21:19] <seekingtruth> ljL stop flexing youre muscle
[00:22] <LjL> [01:21:29] <seekingtruth> LjL youre a loser and tosser
[00:22] <LjL> [01:21:41] <seekingtruth> LjL ego problems cayuse he has ops
[00:22] <LjL> [01:21:47] *** LjL sets mode: +b *!*@unaffiliated/seekingtruth
[00:23] <LjL> (and PM) [01:22:41] <seekingtruth> you have such a deep pride and ego issue, very condesnding too.  Many people talk abnout you and your ego issues <- i'm starting to suspect something, as in two days i've had two people moaning about my ego, and apparently being aware others are...
[00:25] <Myrtti> a-ha, intresting
[00:26] <Myrtti> where did you kick him from
[00:26] <LjL> #ubuntu
[00:26] <LjL> i muted him first
[00:26] <LjL> i was about to tell him - for the first time - that he had been answered, and he should moderate his tones
[00:27] <LjL> but his reaction to my mere opping up (not even the muting) made me think otherwise
[00:29] <Myrtti> how lovely
[00:49]  * Myrtti yawns
[01:09] <ubot3> In #ubuntuforums-beginners, alan_m said: ubot3: microshaft is see !microsoft
[01:10] <Flannel> or... maybe not
[01:14] <wgrant> I can reban someone for ban evasion for simply objecting to leaving when it is pointed out that they're still banned, but their hostname has changed, can't I?
[01:16] <LjL> i'd say yes, absolutely
[01:16] <stdin> you can ban someone for ban evasion, especially after you've pointed out they are evading
[01:17] <Flannel> wgrant: ban evasion is ban evasion.  You should explain to them that the ban is for them, not their hostname, and just because of technical limitations in the banning procedure, theyre still not allowed
[01:17] <jrib> LjL: welcome back
[01:17] <wgrant> That's what I thought. Just checking. Thanks.
[01:22] <LjL> jrib: eh, you're... late? :P
[01:24] <jrib> LjL: only 50 minutes :)
[01:29] <LjL> jrib: err... unless by "back" you mean something i don't get, i've been around for slightly more than 50 minutes
[01:31] <jrib> LjL: the welcome you were getting from seekingtruth which you surely missed
[01:33] <PriceChild> odd...
[01:33] <jrib> PriceChild: hmm?
[01:34] <PriceChild> pidgin's warning me about certificates msn and google talk are using... their ssl issuer isn't known
[01:34] <PriceChild> just checked their fingerprints and they are the same for both :s
[01:34] <LjL> jrib: are you implying i've known him before?
[01:34] <jrib> LjL: nah, never mind
[01:35] <LjL> jrib: or, i'm "back" as soon as i start banning people again?
[01:36] <jrib> LjL: as soon as users start sending you messages like those
[01:37] <LjL> eh jrib, i'm sorry, i'm afraid it's too late for your subtle irony to get through me easily :)
[01:37] <jrib> LjL: is it about 2am where you are?
[01:39] <LjL> 2:39
[01:39] <jrib> someone should extend date so I can jsut do 'date --italy'
[01:39] <LjL> and i really should be heading to bed
[01:39] <LjL> but wobblywu keeps babbling about the eeepc and just won't let me
[01:40]  * LjL forces himself to bed, night
[02:25] <garthounet> ya des francais ici?
[02:25] <garthounet> french?
[02:58] <winXperts> test my connection please
[03:01] <Pici> winXperts: Did you read the entire topic in the channel you were forwarded to?
[03:56] <Gnea> hello, is the word 'crap' considered a swear word in the ubuntu world?
[03:56] <Gnea> (yes, silly question, but there seems to be some debate on it going on.)
[04:04] <jrib> fine with me
[04:04] <Pici> as with me.
[04:04] <Pici> er, I mean I don't concider it a swear.
[04:04] <jrib> same
[04:04] <Gnea> alright. :) thanks
[04:05] <jrib> night
[04:05] <Gnea> later
[05:19] <guy_> Hello,
[05:20] <guy_> I search to install a linux-image-vserver but I see the util-vserver tool but not the kernel
[05:20] <nalioth> guy_: support is in #ubuntu
[05:21] <guy_> do you know a third-party repositorie
[05:21] <nalioth> or #ubuntu-be
[05:21] <guy_> yes I ask to the support and I'm redirected to this channel
[05:21] <nalioth> someone was telling you a joke.  this is not a support channel
[05:22] <guy_> ok
[05:22] <nalioth> we don't recommend 3d party repositories, either
[05:23] <guy_> do you know why this functionnalities are not present on gutsy and hardy ?
[05:24] <nalioth> guy_: #ubuntu or #ubuntu-be, please
[05:25] <guy_> ok bye
[06:35] <evilbug> hey, my router seems to be fine but i still am not able to connect to #ubuntu. can one of you admins help me out?
[06:36] <evilbug> hey nalioth, helping hand please?
[06:48] <evilbug> night.
[09:02] <Myrtti> moin
[09:07] <Myrtti> GOOD morning
[09:11] <ompaul> it is
[09:11] <ompaul> I can go for breakfast now
[09:11] <ompaul> laters :)
[09:11] <Myrtti> tata
[09:30] <elkbuntu> oh nom! cappuccino flavoured popcorn.
[09:30]  * elkbuntu tries to not eat more, as it will make the curry veges in the microwave taste weird
[09:32] <jussi01> morning!
[09:33]  * jussi01 has a hangover...
[09:35]  * elkbuntu has no sympathy
[09:50] <Myrtti> oh crapadoola
[09:50]  * Myrtti sighs and goes to collect hay from the floor
[09:52] <elkbuntu> someone sneak out and make a mess?
[09:59]  * elkbuntu offers Myrtti some vanillabean icecream
[10:13] <Myrtti> LOL
[10:13] <Myrtti> # mjg59 thinks these two are the most crack ever seen on a laptop...
[10:30] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, hah, said about what, where?
[10:37] <Myrtti> /usr/share/hotkey-setup/acer-aspire-1600.hk
[10:42] <Myrtti> that's in Intrepid
[10:42] <Myrtti> prolly in some earlier ones too
[10:54] <jpds> We need a factoid for: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/
[10:56] <elkbuntu> i dont get that page...
[10:56] <jpds> elkbuntu: Put: "ls" into title search.
[10:56] <elkbuntu> oh
[10:57] <elkbuntu> the whole ".  .  .  .  .  . - (1) blah" thing confuses me
[10:58] <jpds> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2008-September/026427.html
[11:04] <Myrtti> tis cool
[11:08] <bazhang> bobchy, how may we help you
[11:09] <jpds> I blame the ident.
[11:09] <bazhang> without a doubt
[11:16] <elkbuntu> heh
[11:16] <elkbuntu> you really must wonder about some people
[11:19] <bazhang> bobchy, you need to change your ident
[11:30] <jpds> Quite.
[12:12] <elkbuntu> KillWithMe, your ident is not your nick, it's the bit you have 'the F word' in
[12:13] <elkbuntu> you'll need to disconnect and reconnect before it'll change
[12:13] <elkbuntu> once you do that, you'll automatically be let back into the channel you wanted to go to
[14:18] <LjL> sorry for being offtopic, but i just have to try here too: does fwrite() somehow buffer and delay writes in PHP, especially when on a socket and there's nothing coming inbound to it?
[14:18] <ompaul> stack trace it?
[14:18] <ompaul> sorry I don't know that is my only useful answer
[14:19] <LjL> not sure how i stack trace a PHP program...
[14:19] <ompaul> http://ie2.php.net/fwrite
[14:19] <Myrtti> Lol
[14:19] <ompaul> Myrtti, at?
[14:20] <Myrtti> Ompaul made a funny
[14:20] <ompaul> f right
[14:20] <Myrtti> Stacktrace it
[14:20] <Myrtti> Mwah
[14:20] <ompaul> Myrtti, well you can make anything go though a stack and see what system calls are made, so you can watch the buffer being set and run
[14:20] <ompaul> :P
[14:21] <LjL> ompaul: it's difficult though, as it's a heisenbug
[14:21] <LjL> it's happening with the italian floodbots
[14:21] <LjL> (but i believe the only reason it's not happening with our ones is that there's more traffic here)
[14:21] <ompaul> LjL, it seems to be the case reading that, that correct behaviour is read full string
[14:21] <ompaul> LjL, how do you tell them to stop reading string
[14:22] <LjL> hm? it stops at \n
[14:22] <ompaul> If the length  argument is given, writing will stop after length  bytes have been written or the end of string  is reached, whichever comes first.
[14:22] <LjL> right, but i'm not using the length argument
[14:22] <ompaul> how is it understanding that \n is there
[14:22] <ompaul> or the end of string  is reached, whichever comes first.
[14:23] <ompaul> so it does not care
[14:23] <LjL> well, it reaches the end of string... sorry i don't get you -- it's a *write*, so it know how much it's long
[14:23] <ompaul> is it seeing the end of string correctly
[14:23] <LjL> it does mention in the comments that it might fail, or not write the entire buffer, when used on socket
[14:23] <ompaul> ohh
[14:23] <ompaul> ahh
[14:23] <LjL> but that's not the case here, because it *does* write the whole thing... it just takes one minute or so sometimes
[14:24] <LjL> it basically looks like lag, but i'm very suspicious that it's actual lag
[14:24] <LjL> since 1) the english floodbot is running on the very same machine, and doesn't exhibit that behavior 2) it really only seems to happen when there's no channel activity
[14:25] <ompaul> ok so question
[14:25] <ompaul> not knowing anything about php
[14:25] <ompaul> what does the socket command look like
[14:26] <ompaul> so I can read its definitions and handling
[14:27] <LjL> ompaul, well, i'm using stream_socket_client() at the moment. there are alternatives, i used another previously (don't quite remember why i switched). the only suggestion i got from ##php is to switch to the socket_* functions (which includes ditching fwrite() and fgets()...)
[14:27] <LjL> but they didn't really give me a reason for that suggestion
[14:28] <LjL> they basically said "it's a bad idea to write a bot in php, and an even worse idea to not use straight sockets"
[14:28] <ompaul> ack
[14:28] <LjL> both of which i doubt if not substantiated
[14:29] <LjL> ompaul: anyway, moment
[14:29] <LjL> ompaul: to connect, stream_socket_client("tcp://".$IRCServer.":".$IRCPort); http://it.php.net/manual/en/function.stream-socket-client.php
[14:30] <ompaul> ok
[14:30] <LjL> ompaul: then i use stream_set_timeout($IRCd, 3); for poor man's asynchronous reading http://it.php.net/manual/en/function.stream-set-timeout.php
[14:30] <LjL> (and it's not the input stream that's blocking, i know that for sure, as i have a check in place involving time())
[14:30] <ompaul> http://ie2.php.net/manual/en/function.socket-recvfrom.php  looks interesting
[14:30] <LjL> ompaul: fgets($IRCd); to read http://it.php.net/manual/en/function.fgets.php
[14:31] <Myrtti> How about -monitor for this?
[14:31] <LjL> ompaul: socket_send and socket_recv are the ones you use for straight sockets, and that too, but i'd rather keep using streams if at all possible...
[14:31] <LjL> i also add fflush() now after every write, but that hasn't seemed to help
[14:31] <LjL> Myrtti: ok
[14:31] <Myrtti> Or some other...
[14:32] <ompaul> socket_read() returns the data as a string on success, or FALSE on error (including if the remote host has closed the connection).
[14:32] <ompaul> it is all mad
[14:32] <ompaul> LjL, it is php - I can fain interested for only so long ;-)
[14:32]  * ompaul runs
[14:32] <LjL> feign
[14:32] <ompaul> that too :)
[14:33] <LjL> alright i guess i'll try using plain sockets *sigh*
[14:55] <ompaul> is there a ubuntu tinyurl thing?
[14:56] <ompaul> and is there a pici in the house
[14:56] <ompaul> I have a mad idea
[14:56] <ompaul> it might help with the bots a lot
[14:56] <ompaul> I say might ;-)
[15:38] <ompaul> go_beep_yourself, can we help you
[15:39] <elkbuntu> ompaul, it's the bovine pest
[15:41] <ompaul> go_beep_yourself, for your use of scripts on irc and generally just dropping by and not bothering to communicate with us I point you at the topic
[16:29]  * PriceChild wonders what glade88 is doing.
[16:32] <jdong> 10:28 -!- go_beep_yourself [n=moo@208-117-11-160.block5.gvtc.com] has joined  #ubuntu-ops
[16:32] <jdong> that's linux_noob / moocow right?
[16:32] <jdong> the person who started with having the n-word in his /whois
[16:32] <jdong> and then started joining to all our channels with dual accounts
[16:32] <Myrtti> jdong: yup
[16:32] <jdong> cool :)
[16:53] <LjL> sounds involved
[16:56] <LjL> anyone remember off hands the nick of the turkish fellow spurting gibberish?
[16:57] <bazhang> materu ?
[16:57] <LjL> no, but close, maverus
[16:57] <bazhang> ah right
[16:57] <ompaul> university^w ops challenge with LJL ;-)
[16:58] <LjL> why does whois hang on his IP though :|
[16:58] <PriceChild> offline for me
[16:58] <ompaul> PriceChild, you is here
[16:59] <ompaul> (yes I know - sorry I am confused, working with some broken dns in some strange way)
[16:59] <LjL> PriceChild: i mean "whois" on the console
[16:59] <PriceChild> I should read more.
[16:59] <LjL> trying to find out whether they're both Turk Telecom
[16:59] <LjL> wait, i haven't explained while i'm asking in the first place... there's another turk spurting nonsense in the italian chat channel
[16:59] <LjL> mostly in broken english
[17:00] <LjL> IP is quite different though
[17:02] <LjL> ...
[17:02] <LjL> my whois worked this time
[17:02] <LjL> descr:          TT ADSL-meteksan TTnet dynamic_gay
[17:02]  * LjL is perplexed
[17:04] <LjL> i know ADSL is asymmetric, but there's a difference between that and gay :P
[17:06]  * ompaul is angrier than a disturbed hornets nest 
[17:39] <Seeker`> ompaul: why?
[17:50] <bazhang> kevinO, how may we help you
[17:50] <kevinO> i am fed up with ubuntu
[17:51] <kevinO> i went in there and asked a simple question
[17:51] <kevinO> i have not cursed to anyone, and i am told to leave
[17:54] <kevinO> i think your ops need to start scrolling back through the logs before they jump in on a conversation and start making things worse than they are.
[17:56] <bazhang> kevinO, no one of the operators asked you to leave
[17:56] <kevinO> kevinO> Gnea, the last time i assked something about Ubuntu studio i was not helped so i just figured id see if there was anyone out there that used it first before i gave this big long paragraph of why it doesnt even work for me. However i get tired of coming in here and having smart alecs respond to my question with some thiing that is well, just pointless, when all they had to do is ignore the question if they did not have an answer
 Gnea, i think ill take my problem elsewhere for now
 kevinO: if you find the people in this channel too smart-alec, go get your help elsewhere
 soundray, that is what i just wrote
[17:57] <bazhang> kevinO, do you see something in your initial post that would make helpers somewhat reluctant to help?
 kevinO: good for you, now do it.
[17:57] <kevinO> did you see how this all started though?
[17:58] <bazhang> kevinO, did you just not post it all right now?
[17:58] <kevinO> nope
 doesn anyone here use ubuntu studio?
 !anyone | kevinO
 kevinO: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
 arvind_khadri, i did ask the real question!
 kevinO: we don't operate that way. plenty of people here do. there's a reason that you're asking that question, and THAT is the question you should be asking.
[17:58] <kevinO>  ty
 kevinO: so what do you need to know about ubuntu studio?
 Gnea, the last time i assked something about Ubuntu studio i was not helped so i just figured id see if there was anyone out there that used it first before i gave this big long paragraph of why it doesnt even work for me. However i get tired of coming in here and having smart alecs respond to my question with some thiing that is well, just pointless, when all they had to do is ignore the question if they did not have an answer
[17:58] <ompaul> kevinO, it is my sad duty to tell you in those lines you never asked for help
[17:59] <ompaul> kevinO, this is IRC you ask what you want help with not some kind of - does anyone
[17:59] <kevinO> i did however ask a question
[17:59] <ompaul> !anyone
[17:59] <kevinO> which would have led to a specific question had i been answered
[17:59] <ompaul> no
[17:59] <kevinO> yes
[17:59] <ompaul> you should have asked specific question when you got the nod from the bot
[18:00] <ompaul> but you went on a rant in its place
[18:00] <kevinO> if someone would have said yes, kevino i do use ubuntu studio what can i do for you?
[18:00] <ompaul> how about
[18:00] <kevinO> then i would have asked my question
[18:00] <ompaul> !ubuntustudio
[18:00] <kevinO> but that did not happen
[18:00] <ompaul> kevinO, the society on irc did not see you as asking within its norms
[18:00] <kevinO> ive been to ubuntu studio . org
[18:01] <ompaul> your version of a question was not
[18:01] <ompaul> one that would get help
[18:01] <kevinO> and is this not the place to get help for ubuntu studio
[18:01] <ompaul> your version was not
[18:01] <ompaul> asking how do I do X
[18:01] <kevinO> how am i suppposed to know if this channel is for ubuntu studio?
[18:01] <ompaul> which is how you get an answer on irc
[18:01] <kevinO> i was testing the wateers man
[18:01] <ompaul> well you got your toe cold
[18:02] <bazhang> there be sharks in these waters
[18:02] <kevinO> i mean if i were to ask a kde question, someone would probably jump down my throat and say ask that in #kubuntu
[18:02] <kevinO> would they not?
[18:02] <ompaul> no
[18:02] <kevinO> whatever
[18:02] <ompaul> they might answer if
[18:02] <kevinO> this is obserd
[18:02] <ompaul> you said how do I do X with kicker
[18:02] <ompaul> or y with konqueror
[18:02] <kevinO> scresw you all im done with this
[18:02] <ompaul> or some such
[18:02] <ompaul> thank you for your particpation
[18:02] <bazhang> wow
[18:03] <ompaul> that was a troll or maybe not
[18:03] <ompaul> he had that
[18:03] <ompaul> large complaint ready to paste
[18:03] <bazhang> his name seems very familiar
[18:03] <bazhang> something related to bots I think
[18:04] <ompaul> I can has dinner
[18:04] <ompaul> back later
[18:04] <ompaul> and I cooked it :)
[18:04] <ompaul> ohh
[18:04] <bazhang> haha
[18:04] <ompaul> bazhang, what did you say
[18:04] <bazhang> the bot went for your dinner ompaul :)
[18:14] <ompaul> 10 minutes to eat the lovelies
[18:14] <ompaul> rice banana apple egg chicken
[18:14] <ompaul> with a side helping of water
[18:30] <Seeker`> ubottu has gone?!?!?!
[18:30] <Seeker`> I saw ubottu quit, and not rejoin
[18:34] <ompaul> * ubottu (n=supybot@ubuntu/bot/ubottu) has joined #ubuntu-ops
[18:35] <ompaul> that was before it replied to you Seeker` ;-)
[18:35] <ompaul> I am still ready to have something for dinner :)
[18:35] <ompaul> see notes about hornets nest
[18:35] <ompaul> I have some dns that is being nasty
[18:35] <ompaul> and it has been for days
[18:36] <ompaul> I fixed a lot of other issues I think it would nearly be faster if I was to rebuild all the dns stuff by hand
[18:36]  * ompaul tries a little trick
[18:48] <emma> Hello there friends.
[18:48] <emma> What happened to the IRSeekBot?
[18:48] <PriceChild> emma: We do not run irseek.
[18:49] <PriceChild> emma: they have a link to contact them on http://irseek.com/
[18:49] <emma> Yes I'm aware. Which has always been one of the reasons I wonder why you welcome it to be here.
[18:49] <emma> I thought perhaps Freenode or #ubuntu might know why it's missing.
[18:50] <PriceChild> emma: you would have to ask them.
[18:50] <emma> Okay.
[18:50] <emma> So you don't know if IRSeekbot is coming back?
[18:50] <PriceChild> emma: we still do not run irseek.
[18:50] <emma> Hehe.
[18:50] <PriceChild> :)
[18:51] <emma> Okay cool then. Do you think there would be anything else?
[18:51] <PriceChild> Pardon?
[18:51] <nalioth> anything else for what?
[18:52] <emma> I'm going to have to ask that you excuse me while I part, because there are some channels that I do not like to have present as I idle.
[18:52] <emma> Take care.
[18:52] <nalioth> alrighty then (whatever that was about)
[18:52]  * PriceChild grins
[18:53] <PriceChild> nalioth: she was turning it around on us, asking if we had anything else we wanted to ask her before she left, claiming that she doesn't idle in certain channels.
[18:53] <nalioth> 0_o
[18:59] <Pici> okay then
[19:00] <Pici> ompaul: pong?
[19:00] <ompaul> Pici, so I had an idea
[19:00] <Pici> ompaul: uh oh
[19:01] <LjL> oh crap, another
[19:01] <ompaul> Pici, so I saw in some factoids
[19:01] <ompaul> !guidelines
[19:01] <ompaul> no
[19:01] <ompaul> that would not be useful
[19:01] <ompaul> I need one with a see also
[19:02] <ompaul> just a sec
[19:02] <ompaul> !install
[19:02] <ompaul> so question 1
[19:03] <ompaul> is there a tinyurl.ubuntu.com
[19:03] <ompaul> or somewhere
[19:03] <ompaul> I think there is
[19:03] <ompaul> if we were to use it in place of
[19:03] <ompaul> see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and !automate
[19:04] <ompaul> we could win some and loose some and do this
[19:04] <ompaul> have the bot return the small urls
[19:04] <ompaul> so that we would have shorter links
[19:04] <Pici> Are long links really a problem?
[19:04] <ompaul> and less !foo foo is blah you might like to !bar
[19:04] <ompaul> !bar
[19:04] <ompaul> bar is etc and so forth
[19:05] <ompaul> Pici, when I started out with bot stuff I used to remove the long multi entry stuff and stick as much of it on the wiki and link up the wiki or some such
[19:06] <jussi01> !-bar
[19:06] <ompaul> but when you have three or four items on the screen all referring to parts of a problem the issue is not irc but wiki at that point
[19:07] <ompaul> hehehe
[19:07]  * ompaul sings along with Dave Lee Roth
[19:07] <ompaul> anyway
[19:08] <ompaul> @login
[19:08] <ompaul> Pici, your thoughts other than I should meet the men in the white coats please
[19:09] <Pici> I'm not seeing much improvment to the factoids.  I think we should focus on getting the information into the wikis rather than pursuing a tinyurl 'solution'
[19:09] <Pici> Perhaps working with the documentation team to do so.
[19:09] <ompaul> yeap
[19:09] <ompaul> well I would rather see a single entry
[19:09] <LjL> i don't honestly see much of a problem period... when URLs are pretty long, though, sometimes you can just make a redirect from the wiki
[19:09] <ompaul> one line
[19:10] <LjL> the /community/ part in help. doesn't help
[19:10] <LjL> check the #ubuntu topic
[19:10] <LjL> two of the links in there didn't exist before i made them as redirects
[19:10] <ompaul> LjL, I am suggesting something extreme - one url per factoid - it should be self contained
[19:10] <LjL> and i still disagree as much as i did last time :)
[19:11] <ompaul> and I know this is the case but I still think I have a point
[19:11] <ompaul> speaking of which I can has brain dump of bot?
[19:11] <LjL> ompaul, sure, you have a point. the italian guys do it this way (or at least they used to), and it works. it's two different ways of doing it, i don't think one is superior
[19:11] <LjL> however, we've been doing it this way for years, we have a big and useful database of factoids, i don't think there's a reason to overhaul it
[19:12] <ompaul> !bot
[19:12] <LjL> just like i don't think the italians should overhaul theirs
[19:13] <ompaul> well I think the proof that I am right is stuff like this
[19:13] <ompaul> !codecs
[19:13] <ompaul> on the restricted formats page the link to Free Formats is there
[19:14] <LjL> ompaul: yes, but i think that was added to *urge* people to use them... you know people don't read
[19:14] <ompaul> so therefore they won't get to C/common-tasks
[19:15]  * ompaul takes the weak argument and fries it easy over in olive oil with some peppers and onions with crushed garlic
[19:16] <ompaul> in !grub there are two factoids but we can get people to one from the other
[19:16] <ompaul> and here is a classic
[19:16] <ompaul> !sudo
[19:17] <ompaul> Pici, perhaps you will say no on this, but I will take your word on this until the next time I bring this up
[19:17] <Pici> I will say no ;)
[19:17] <ompaul> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo in GNOME use gksu in KDE use kdesu
[19:18] <LjL> no
[19:18] <ompaul> BAH!
[19:18] <LjL> that's wrong, to begin with. the mere fact that you're in GNOME doesn't mean you should use gksu
[19:18] <LjL> you should use them *for graphical applications*
[19:18] <ompaul> ok
[19:18] <LjL> and i really don't see what you have against factoid links
[19:18] <ompaul> this is all covered within the sudo page link
[19:19] <LjL> ompaul, see
[19:19] <ompaul> so we are pointing to the resource (or a subset of it)
[19:19] <LjL> once upon a time, !sudo *didn't mention* anything about kdesu and gksu
[19:19] <LjL> (while the rootsudo page did)
[19:19] <LjL> it was added *because* people kept using sudo for graphical apps
[19:19] <LjL> it wasn't added because i felt like randomly adding it
[19:19] <ompaul> point
[19:20]  * ompaul feels I am not being very productive 
[19:20] <ompaul> maybe I should go and become tiredompaul ;-)
[19:20] <ompaul> I don't seem to be in agreement with people of late at all
[19:21] <ompaul> LjL, you are not allowed say "ever" ;-)
[19:22] <ompaul> right I am going to read a book on DNS maybe that will make me happier
[19:22] <ompaul> ;-)
[19:22] <LjL> i think i pissed him off...
[19:23] <Myrtti> awww
[19:23] <Myrtti> I should've given him a lollipop
[19:25] <LjL> i'm sorry i keep disagreeing with him about the bot, but maybe he doesn't realize i've worked quite a bit on the bot factoids, it's mostly me who made them all interlinked in the first place, and striving to make them comprehensive enough while still being of a right length for irc
[19:25] <LjL> i can't just agree on undoing all that i did
[20:02] <Flannel> tinyurl for wiki links is a bad idea
[20:03] <Flannel> because then you actually have to visit, to see what its actually linked to, etc.
[20:04] <Flannel> And, what's wrong with the link to the sudo factoid?  His improvement removed like ten characters, and a whole lot of information.
[20:04]  * Flannel must be missing something.
[20:09] <ompaul> ohh look
[20:10] <ompaul> is this my lucky day
[20:10] <ompaul> you bought a one week ban have a nice day you will be let in next week
[20:10] <ompaul> LjL, you about?
[20:11] <Flannel> ping jussi01
[20:11] <WastePotato> Oh. Sorry. I was telling someone how to join this channel.
[20:11] <ompaul> !ping | Flannel
[20:11] <WastePotato> Bai.
[20:12]  * ompaul wonders will we be doing the
[20:12] <ompaul> No we don't discuss other peoples bans with third parties dance shortly
[20:14] <Flannel> hmmm.  He's banned in -offtopic currently?
[20:14] <ompaul> as far as I know yes
[20:14] <Flannel> for about 26 hours now?
[20:15] <ompaul> yes
[20:15] <ompaul> I told him one week yesterday before I banned him
[20:15] <Flannel> ompaul: Your ban must be broken, since he was in the channel (with the same hostname) yesterday
[20:15] <Flannel> and this morning
[20:15] <ompaul> gmm
[20:15] <ompaul> hmm
[20:17] <Flannel> Oh wait
[20:17] <Flannel> I see.
[20:17] <ompaul> different ip?
[20:17] <Flannel> -143 instead of -19, yeah
[20:17] <Flannel> 143 is banned, and thats what he just used to connect, but in -ot it was -19
[20:17] <ompaul> who told me yesterday that this was a static ip isp -- I actually know
[20:17] <ompaul> lovely
[20:18] <ompaul> so know the spud gets banned himself
[20:18] <Flannel> ompaul: actually, wait
[20:19] <ompaul> I can has wait
[20:19] <Flannel> ompaul: was coagen Wastepotato then?
[20:19] <ompaul> please know I am going slowly going insane
[20:19] <ompaul> with DNS problem that has me confounded
[20:20] <ompaul> Flannel, not that I know of
[20:20] <ompaul> all I know is that the user@ and nick matched
[20:21] <Myrtti> ho-hum
[20:23] <jpds> Evening.
[20:23] <ompaul> small incremental steps
[20:24] <Flannel> ubottu's broked!
[20:24] <Flannel> ompaul, -ot, negge
[20:24] <Flannel> er, anyone.  /me notes there are more awake people
[20:24] <ompaul> jpds,  I have to state, you have an accurate take on the current time
[20:27] <WastePotato> ﻿ompaul: In the order of mega, giga, tera, what comes after peta?
[20:27] <ompaul> this is not a help channel
[20:27] <ompaul> WastePotato, I point you at the topic
[20:28] <ompaul> have a nice day
[20:28] <WastePotato> kthxbys
[20:28]  * Flannel exa-cuses him from this channel.
[20:28] <ompaul> hahaha
[20:28] <ompaul> Flannel, you managing to make me laugh
[20:29] <Nafallo> hehe. -se is currently discussing the end of the world :-)
[20:29] <Nafallo> or universe. they are not sure ;-)
[20:29] <jussi01> Dont touch!
[20:29] <ompaul> whois
[20:29] <ompaul> hehe
[20:29] <Flannel> Nafallo: California is going to break off to hang with hawaii.
[20:29] <Nafallo> Flannel: rather LHC paranoia :-)
[20:30] <Flannel> Ah.
[20:30]  * Flannel mentions Thursdays UF.
[20:30] <Flannel> while not end-of-the-world topical, of course.
[20:30] <Myrtti> perhaps Turku will detach from Finland if we jump on the market square hard enough
[20:30] <jpds> Flannel: Alsaka can come too.
[20:31] <jussi01> !test
[20:31] <jussi01> :)
[20:34] <Flannel> ah, and btlogin works again too
[20:36] <ompaul> @login
[21:56] <jdong> *grin* "In ubottu"....