| bryce | bdmurray: couldn't hurt | 00:18 |
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| bryce | bdmurray: bugs-without-a-package might be worth looking at as well | 00:18 |
| bdmurray | bryce: oh, that'd be sweet | 00:19 |
| bdmurray | It might help assign packages to them too | 00:19 |
| bdmurray | bryce: bug 266959 might be important | 00:42 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 266959 in ubuntu "remove_conffile_commit(" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/266959 | 00:42 |
| bryce | hmm | 00:50 |
| bryce | tjaalton: 266959 is for xorg 1:7.4~1ubuntu1.1 | 00:50 |
| bryce | hrm, but apt-cache madison is showing only 1:7.4~1ubuntu1 available | 00:53 |
| bryce | bdmurray: thanks for pointing that one out; I wonder where that .1 comes from though (I've done an upgrade just now and don't see it) | 00:58 |
| bdmurray | that's what someone else said too | 00:59 |
| bdmurray | er, that it didn't affect them | 01:00 |
| bryce | tjaalton: I noticed you did a merge with xorg. The changes I have queued there are good to go if you're waiting on that for doing a release. | 03:21 |
| bryce | tjaalton: or let me know and I can push the release Monday. | 03:21 |
| bryce | tjaalton: also I got the -ati sync in, but found it FTBS on my system due to mismatched build-deps requirements. I've fixed that, as well as uploaded the quirks system patch | 03:24 |
| wgrant | bryce: Do you know why the alpha 5 desktop CD would be losing knowledge of most of my keys often? | 03:25 |
| bryce | wgrant: not offhand, but that bug sounds familiar | 03:25 |
| wgrant | Soon after restarting X, I will be able to type alpha-numerics, Ctrl, Alt, Backspace, and that's about it. | 03:25 |
| wgrant | Anything I can do to debug? | 03:25 |
| bryce | it sounds very familiar - look in launchpad to see if there's a matching existing bug | 03:26 |
| wgrant | Against which package? | 03:26 |
| bryce | my bet is that it's something hal-related | 03:26 |
| wgrant | evdev, or the server? | 03:26 |
| wgrant | Right, that's what I thought. | 03:26 |
| bryce | yeah, evdev, xkeyboard-config, xorg, or xorg-server would be most likely | 03:27 |
| wgrant | Bug #254939 looks relevant. | 03:27 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 254939 in xserver-xorg-input-evdev "No Mouse/Keyboard since update and restart on evening of 4th August." [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/254939 | 03:27 |
| wgrant | (particularly one of the comments) | 03:28 |
| wgrant | I'll file a new one, as that is closed and really for another issue. | 03:29 |
| bryce | sounds good; I'm looking through some lp bugs to see if I can find the one I was thinking of | 03:30 |
| wgrant | Huh. | 03:30 |
| wgrant | Left arrow is Alt_R. | 03:31 |
| wgrant | Down arrow is Super_R. | 03:31 |
| wgrant | Somethings really broken. | 03:32 |
| bryce | anything happen if you unplug your keyboard and plug it back in? | 03:32 |
| wgrant | It's a laptop. | 03:32 |
| wgrant | Aha. | 03:32 |
| bryce | oh :-) | 03:32 |
| wgrant | Works fine if I force the model through g-s-d. | 03:32 |
| wgrant | And it works even if I now force it back to evdev. | 03:33 |
| bryce | mmmm, could it be #225643 then? | 03:33 |
| wgrant | I don't think so. | 03:33 |
| wgrant | I don't get that error, and it works for a while. | 03:33 |
| wgrant | And I have a minimal (live CD) xorg.conf. | 03:34 |
| bryce | okay, this is the one I was remembering - bug 255008 | 03:35 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 255008 in xorg-server "Up arrow key mapped to Print [screen]" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/255008 | 03:35 |
| wgrant | That's it. | 03:35 |
| wgrant | Same symptom, at least. | 03:35 |
| bryce | looks like it's marked as fixed though | 03:36 |
| wgrant | mdz seemed unsure. | 03:36 |
| bryce | 257855 was marked as a dupe | 03:36 |
| bryce | tjaalton will probably have a better clue than I on this one; he's been focusing on keyboard stuff lately. | 03:38 |
| bryce | I do have a keyboard troubleshooting page (mostly outdated now with input-hotplug tho) | 03:38 |
| wgrant | The strange thing is that it worked for me on a 48-hour old Intrepid installation on the same hardware. | 03:39 |
| wgrant | And alpha 5 is a similar age. | 03:39 |
| bryce | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting | 03:39 |
| bryce | there's some steps for checking if the keys are being mapped by the kernel | 03:40 |
| bryce | so I'd suggest your debugging should start by looking showkey to see if the kernel is reporting the keycodes, and then if so, use xev to see if X sees them | 03:41 |
| wgrant | X and tty1 see different keycodes for Up. | 03:42 |
| wgrant | But it all seems to be working now :( | 03:42 |
| bryce | hmm | 03:43 |
| bryce | well keep an eye out for it - sounds like the sort of issue that'd reoccur periodically | 03:43 |
| bryce | but it sounds like X is getting confused about the keyboard layout and isn't in sync with what the kernel is using | 03:44 |
| bryce | so "basic" keys probably just happen to have the same mappings for both of them, which is why those work | 03:44 |
| wgrant | Yep. | 03:44 |
| bryce | I'll bet gnome is involved in this at some level | 03:45 |
| wgrant | Most likely. | 03:46 |
| wgrant | The keycode is 111 whether or not things are working, but the keysym changes (at least as xev sees them). | 04:01 |
| wgrant | (for up arrow) | 04:01 |
| bryce | bdmurray: hey if you feel like going on a WONTFIX rampage, as of bug #262491 xserver-xgl is no longer a Ubuntu package, and all of its (many) bugs can be WONTFIX'ed | 04:18 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 262491 in xserver-xgl "Please remove xserver-xgl (universe) from the archives" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/262491 | 04:18 |
| tjaalton | wgrant, bryce: the keyboard-changes I talked about should fix this for everyone | 06:59 |
| tjaalton | now you need to force the model to be evdev, but that breaks exotic layouts (ABNT2, jp106). so the solution is to force the rules instead | 07:01 |
| tjaalton | that's been changed upstream a couple of weeks ago when I had a chat with svu (xkeyboard-config maintainer) and daniels | 07:01 |
| tjaalton | bryce: yeah that bug is about the cleanup commit I made, but apparently it's not quite right yet | 07:03 |
| tjaalton | bryce: did you notice that the failsafeXinit doesn't have all the functions in it, or they are misnamed? | 07:49 |
| tjaalton | view_log should probably be view_xorg_log, and view_errors -> view_gdm_log | 07:49 |
| tjaalton | mm, banshee taking 9999% of cpu | 08:37 |
| tjaalton | bryce, bdmurray: I closed all xgl bugs already, needed the karma boost ;) | 08:53 |
| bryce | tjaalton: heh | 08:53 |
| bryce | tjaalton: ah good catch; I've pushed those fixes | 08:58 |
| tjaalton | cool | 08:59 |
| tjaalton | what about the fallback patch for xserver? if we applied that, we could drop failsafeDexconf and let the failsafe-mode run without xorg.conf | 09:00 |
| tjaalton | s/fallback/autoconfig/ | 09:01 |
| bryce | sounds good to me | 09:02 |
| tjaalton | ok, good | 09:04 |
| tjaalton | also, as jcristau pointed out, the videoabiver has been bumped on debian (2.9->4) which would mean rebuilding all the video drivers if we uploaded current xorg/xorg-server from git | 09:11 |
| tjaalton | but since the ABI hasn't really been changed, we could revert those changes for now | 09:11 |
| tjaalton | and deal with the bump when intrepid+1 opens | 09:11 |
| tjaalton | or, do it now and sync most of the drivers from experimental | 09:12 |
| bryce | why was videoabiver bumped if the ABI hasn't really changed? | 09:13 |
| tjaalton | to match the source | 09:13 |
| bryce | ah | 09:13 |
| tjaalton | it has been 4 since March i guess | 09:13 |
| bryce | well, I don't have a problem with rebuilding all the video drivers at this point. Still plenty of time before release. | 09:13 |
| tjaalton | yeah, I can deal with that on Monday | 09:14 |
| bryce | sounds good | 09:14 |
| tjaalton | or tomorrow if I'm bored | 09:14 |
| bryce | tomorrow for me is going to involve a whole lot of pruning shrubs in the backyard | 09:14 |
| bryce | and digging stuff up | 09:15 |
| bryce | (I'm getting a deck put in a couple weeks from now so we gotta do some landscaping to make room) | 09:15 |
| tjaalton | hehe, sounds nice | 09:16 |
| tseliot | tjaalton: we'll have to rebuild the nvidia drivers too | 09:16 |
| tjaalton | tseliot: sure | 09:16 |
| tjaalton | I've got a couple of concerts to perform on.. that said, I'm running late.. seeya -> | 09:18 |
| johanbr | Hmm. After the latest Intrepid updates (X, among many other things, but not kernel) my touchpad only functions in "dumb mouse emulation" mode and Xorg.log says "(WW) AlpsPS/2 ALPS GlidePoint can't grab event device, errno=16" | 12:13 |
| johanbr | Downgrading xserver-xorg-input-synaptics from 0.15.0+git20080820-1ubuntu5 to 0.14.7~git20070706-2.1ubuntu3 made my ALPS touchpad work again. | 17:37 |
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| bryce | morning | 19:43 |
| tseliot | good morning | 19:43 |
| Adri2000 | is it intended that nvidia-kernel-common recommends the actual drivers? | 21:13 |
| Adri2000 | nvidia-kernel-common being a dependency of linux-restricted-modules, every machine using a non-free driver will also get the nvidia non-free driver installed, even if it has no nvidia card | 21:15 |
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