[00:02] <Markopotamus> Odd-rationale: Cheers for the help. I'm off now. Later"
[00:02] <Odd-rationale> k see ya
[00:25] <dominic_> hi
[00:26] <dominic_> how are you all doing?
[02:00] <superspuck> hello, just installed xubuntu and all was fine until I installed restricted drivers, uptaded my system and rebooted. now all I get is a background and a mouse-pointer when I login. what the hell? yes please help me :o
[02:00] <TheSheep> superspuck: press alt+f2, type 'xfce4-panel'
[02:01] <superspuck> already tried that, nothing happend
[02:01] <TheSheep> superspuck: nothing happened when you pressed alt+f2?
[02:01] <TheSheep> superspuck: or when you typed that nad pressed enter?
[02:01] <superspuck> no when I executed xfce4-panel
[02:02] <TheSheep> superspuck: ok, try xfce4-terminal and then xfce4-panel in it
[02:03] <superspuck> that one fails to execute
[02:03] <superspuck> no such thing
[02:03] <TheSheep> superspuck: with what meesage?
[02:03] <TheSheep> message?
[02:03] <superspuck> failed to execute child process
[02:03] <TheSheep> in terminal?
[02:04] <superspuck> ah there it is :P
[02:05] <superspuck> only one problem can't see more than 25% of the terminal
[02:05] <superspuck> but nothing happens when i write xfce4-panel
[02:06] <TheSheep> !nothing
[02:06] <superspuck> yes I mean nothing since I can't see the terminal
[02:06] <TheSheep> then resize it
[02:07] <TheSheep> alt+shift+arrows
[02:07] <TheSheep> why can't you see it?
[02:08] <superspuck> yeah managed to catch it
[02:09] <superspuck> ** Message: xfce4-panel already running
[02:09] <superspuck> it's a ghost ^^
[02:09] <TheSheep> maybe your virtual screen is larger than physical, and you have it scrolled so that you don't see the panel?
[02:10] <superspuck> oh yeah that makes sense there's a lot of overscan
[02:10] <superspuck> xubuntu uses xorg.conf?
[02:11] <TheSheep> yeah, you can configure it with 'sudo displayconfig-gtk'
[02:12] <superspuck> ah yes now I see everything, thank you thank you ^^
[02:13] <TheSheep> :)
[04:37] <indo> how do you mount a windows file system?
[04:54] <gaurdro> I'm seeing a bit of weird behaviour on startup.  if i hit alt-f4 it switches to terminal like normal but the colors are green and blue.
[04:54] <gaurdro> also, trying to switch to a terminal once it's running only gives me a black screen no login prompt.
[05:19] <favro> gaurdro: it should be ctrl+alt+F1-6 to get a virtual terminal alt+F7 to get back afaik
[05:24] <imneat> anyone know how to get the rhythmbox desktop visualization working?
[05:31] <favro> a quick google showed lots of bugs about that...
[05:34] <imneat> yea that's all i'm finding too - but all that I find are relating to the plugin not working at all or it causing freeze/crash
[05:34] <imneat> when I load it nothing happens. it's as though it thinks all is fine.
[05:36] <favro> there is #rhythmbox on gimp.net I think...
[05:38] <imneat> I'll check it out - thanks!
[08:41] <NunChucko> why does Wubi need to download the insatlation files when I got the disk ISO already?
[08:41] <NunChucko> never mind, it seems it stopped acting stupid
[08:41] <NunChucko> yeah there it goes
[09:32] <solotim> /join #c
[09:32] <solotim> /join hell
[10:10] <honkytonkwillie> I'm using Mint XFCE and I Flash doesn't ever work on Firefox.  Is this a common issue?
[10:11] <honkytonkwillie> Sorry, wrong channel...
[10:14] <kwhk> hello
[10:15] <TheSheep> kwhk: what's the frequency?
[10:16] <kwhk> i was trying to upgrade from 7.10 to 8.04.  But got a problem in the middle.  It said there was insufficient space and i need to clean up an additional 19M at '/'.
[10:17] <TheSheep> try sudo apt-get clean
[10:17] <TheSheep> (this will delete the packages it already downloaded)
[10:17] <kwhk> TheSheep: tried. it asked me for password.  then i saw nothing happened.
[10:18] <TheSheep> kwhk: now check your free disk space
[10:18] <kwhk> TheSheep: at '/'?
[10:18] <TheSheep> type 'df -h'
[10:19] <kwhk> kenneth@kenneth-laptop:~$ df -h
[10:19] <kwhk> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[10:19] <kwhk> /dev/sda1             3.6G  2.3G  1.2G  67% /
[10:19] <kwhk> varrun                110M  108K  109M   1% /var/run
[10:19] <kwhk> varlock               110M     0  110M   0% /var/lock
[10:19] <kwhk> udev                  110M   48K  109M   1% /dev
[10:19] <kwhk> devshm                110M     0  110M   0% /dev/shm
[10:19] <kwhk> lrm                   110M   34M   76M  32% /lib/modules/2.6.22-15-generic/volatile
[10:19] <TheSheep> !pastebin
[10:20] <TheSheep> kwhk: besides, I don't need to know it, I just told you how to check it
[10:20] <TheSheep> kwhk: so you have 1.2G free on / now
[10:21] <kwhk> TheSheep: sorry.  yes, but it shows 1.1G at the left bottom in "File Manager"
[10:22] <TheSheep> rounding error, I guess
[10:22] <kwhk> TheSheep: ok.
[10:23] <kwhk> TheSheep: is 1.2 too little?
[10:23] <TheSheep> no idea
[10:23] <TheSheep> I don't know how much you had before cleaning
[10:24] <solotim> /msg
[10:24] <solotim> /join #empathy
[10:30] <kwhk> TheSheep: sorry.  pushed the wrong button so quitted.
[10:51] <kwhk> TheSheep: nothing else i can do to clean up, right?
[10:54] <TheSheep> you can upgrade in parts
[10:56] <kwhk> TheSheep: could you please so kind to tell me how to
[10:57] <kwhk> TheSheep: or point me to info on web?
[10:58] <TheSheep> kwhk: just install some of the packages it tried to install manually
[10:58] <TheSheep> it will pull some dependencies, install it all, then you do that clean, and then do normal upgrade, so it installs the rest
[10:59] <kwhk> TheSheep: in fact, it stopped there at the very early stage of upgrade and then rolled back automatically.  not even at the stage of installing packages
[12:30] <kwhk> TheSheep: hi
[12:31] <TheSheep> hi
[12:31] <kwhk> TheSheep: i was wondering what u meant by saying "what's the frequency" to me
[12:32] <kwhk> TheSheep: :)
[12:32] <TheSheep> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What's_the_Frequency,_Kenneth%3F
[12:33] <kwhk> TheSheep: i didn't know this.
[12:36] <TheSheep> sorry, I just remembered that when you joined
[12:40] <kwhk> TheSheep: i still couldn't clean up more disk space for the upgrade. seems that i need to do it from CD.
[12:44] <TheSheep> you are doing it with the gui tool>
[12:44] <TheSheep> ?
[12:58] <Johnramb00> Hi, why can't i use dpkg correctly? I always stop after keys layout :(
[13:02] <favafro> trying to reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[13:03] <Johnramb00> dpkg reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[13:04] <Johnramb00> I tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg.
[13:05] <Johnramb00> But after choosing the keyboard layout i get: xserver-xorg postinst warining: overwriting possibly-customised configuration file; backup in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.2008.0906135717
[13:06] <favafro> that's normal :) - it's just making a backup
[13:07] <chris_debian> This is just telling you that you have changed the file.
[13:07] <chris_debian> favafo beat me to it :-)
[13:10] <Johnramb00> but i can't choose any resolution :(.
[13:10] <_sebastian_> ﻿hi all, I have a old Dell Inspiron 4000 I installed xubuntu on but cant get a higher resolution to work, can anyone help?
[13:11] <Johnramb00> ﻿sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg try this :D
[13:11] <Johnramb00> I mean: "﻿sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[13:11] <_sebastian_> on it
[13:12] <Johnramb00> _sebastian_: But i remember, when I had configured my Dell Latitude I had to change the xorg.conf manually too :-S
[13:14] <_sebastian_> yea until a few minutes ago I had 640x4... on my whole screen
[13:14] <_sebastian_> I found a forum entry and entered the driver info into xorg.conf
[13:15] <_sebastian_> and now I have a smaller part of the screen showing me my desktop at 640x4... and a black frame around it
[13:16] <Johnramb00> You know how to restart X11?
[13:16] <_sebastian_> yes
[13:16] <Johnramb00> Okay, great.
[13:17] <Johnramb00> So go to your terminal an enter:
[13:17] <_sebastian_> some things I know quite good, some not at all :-)
[13:17] <Johnramb00> sudo displayconfig-gtk
[13:18] <_sebastian_> ahh, I've been there before some minutes ago
[13:18] <Johnramb00> Like me :) I'm sitting in front of 3 screens and 2 of 'em waiting to be configured....also resolution problems :(
[13:18] <Johnramb00> And what can you choose?
[13:18] <Johnramb00> All resolutions in there?
[13:19] <_sebastian_> 2 screens, first the notebook one has PnP at 800x600 61Hz
[13:19] <_sebastian_> the other only res is 640x480
[13:20] <_sebastian_> on the driver tab there is VESA selected
[13:20] <Johnramb00> Change it into your graphic card :)
[13:20] <_sebastian_> I tried with ATI r128 driver
[13:20] <Johnramb00> Or leave the X11 and go into Desktop 2/3 or what you want and then dpkg.
[13:22] <_sebastian_> and? the r128 driver should be the right one from what I read inforums
[13:22] <_sebastian_> dpkg...
[13:22] <Johnramb00> It does not work?
[13:22] <Johnramb00> ﻿sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[13:23] <Johnramb00> With that you reconfigure your whole settings for the xserver
[13:23] <_sebastian_> leaving the screen settings as they are and changing only the driver causes a mess when clicking on the test button
[13:23] <_sebastian_> I did reconfigure which left me with the same result as when I started here in the room :-(
[13:24] <Johnramb00> Hm...i'm sorry.
[13:24] <Johnramb00> I don't have any other ideas.
[13:25] <_sebastian_> same happens when I try the ati driver not the r128...
[13:25] <Johnramb00> But perhaps you'll find something here: http://ubuntuforums.org/
[13:25] <_sebastian_> thanks for helping
[13:25] <Johnramb00> No problem.
[13:25] <Johnramb00> Good luck for you :)
[13:26] <_sebastian_> yea I checked there and there is a post which did what we did, thx again
[13:26] <Johnramb00> ok
[13:28] <_sebastian_> the thing is I had it running on gutsy...
[13:49] <ozkugh> good morning
[13:52] <kwhk> TheSheep: sorry, am just back from dinner. yes, i use gui tool
[13:55] <kwhk> TheSheep: any implication?
[14:46] <vidd> how does one add a directory to the PATH?
[14:50] <TheSheep> vidd: edit /etc/environ
[14:51] <vidd> ty
[14:53] <vidd> do i have to do something to make the changes take affect?
[14:54] <TheSheep> vidd: relog
[14:54] <TheSheep> vidd: or restart the terminal at least
[14:54] <TheSheep> vidd: you can also do it locally, only in single terminal
[14:54] <TheSheep> vidd: by executign that file
[14:54] <TheSheep> ting
[14:55] <vidd> rebooting now
[14:56] <vidd> for some reason sbin wasnt in my PATH
[14:59] <bringatowel> were you using the sudo command?
[14:59] <vidd> no
[15:09] <bringatowel> usually sbin is stuff that can only be run with sudo, right?
[15:10] <vidd> i dont believe so
[15:10] <vidd> iwconfig can be run by a user
[15:11] <bringatowel> there is probably another user version in /usr/bin or something
[15:11] <bringatowel> all the other programs look like root stuff, such as mkfs, fsck, swapon, and such
[15:12] <TheSheep> bringatowel: no, /sbin/iwconfig is the one that is run by default
[15:12] <TheSheep> bringatowel: try 'which iwconfig'
[15:15] <bringatowel> oh yeah, they are all 755
[15:16] <bringatowel> hmm weird dunno why it wasnt in the path
[15:17] <vidd> ok....does the user have a seperate environment path?
[15:20] <vidd> i did sudo su and root has no issue so the global PATH is correct....
[15:20] <vidd> it seams to just be my user
[15:21] <TheSheep> vidd: check your .bashrc and .bash_profile
[15:22] <vidd> ok...looking
[15:23] <bringatowel> TheSheep, sbin is not mentioned in either of those files for me
[15:24] <vidd> i dont even have a .bash_profile on the machine that works =\
[15:27] <bringatowel> me neither
[15:27] <bringatowel> but sbin is still in my $PATH
[15:27] <vidd> ok....its my desktop manager
[15:28] <vidd> i switched to tty, and it worked, terminal on desktop did not
[15:28] <bringatowel> ahh, thats funny
[15:28] <vidd> thanks for helping me to think more clearly =]
[15:29] <bringatowel> hehe good thing you did, i had no clue what might be wrong :D
[15:29] <vidd> i set up "slim" instead of gdm for desktop manager
[15:29] <vidd> so i brought this on myself =]
[15:30] <kwhk2> TheSheep: hi, me again. earlier u asked whether i used gui tool for upgrade. yes, i did. does this help? or are there any alternatives?
[15:33] <bringatowel> haha that always happens, when something is broken it can be traced to something i messed up =P
[15:33] <vidd> i wouldnt say i "messed up"
[15:34] <vidd> just havent ironed out all the wrinkles yet =]
[15:35] <bringatowel> fair enough, well mistakes or any challenges are on the path to learning more anyway =)
[15:36] <TheSheep> kwhk2: yes, let me see
[15:36] <TheSheep> !upgrade
[15:38] <TheSheep> kwhk2: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades#Network%20Upgrade%20for%20Ubuntu%20Servers%20(Recommended)
[15:38] <vidd> bringatowel, the issue is clear as day....as soon as i opened the slim.conf file
[15:39] <kwhk2> TheSheep: yes, i followed steps in that instruction
[15:39] <bringatowel> vidd, thats good to hear, how do you like slim? never tried that one myself
[15:39] <vidd> 3rd line" default_path  [incorrect info here]
[15:39] <vidd> its sweet
[15:40] <vidd> runs better on the 256k ram lappy
[15:40] <TheSheep> kwhk2: you can upgrade with apt-get, but I'm not 100% sure it will do everything that autoated upgrade does
[15:40] <vidd> gdm is like pushing a hourse through a doggy door
[15:41] <TheSheep> vidd: well, ubuntu needs accessibility...
[15:41] <TheSheep> vidd: screenreader, braile terminal...
[15:44] <vidd> TheSheep, i understand that
[15:44] <vidd> and that is why they say more ram
[15:45] <vidd> i dont have the ram, so i have to cut out some of the features i dont personally need
[15:45] <TheSheep> yeah
[15:45] <TheSheep> like chinese input methods
[15:45] <TheSheep> and fonts
[15:46] <vidd> which means, of course, headaches for going agfainst the grain
[15:46] <vidd> or oppertunities to learn
[15:46] <vidd> whichever viewpoint you prefer
[16:02] <vidd> and i finally beat it into submission!
[19:55] <slow-motion> hi
[19:55] <vinnl> Hey slow-motion
[19:55] <slow-motion> hi vinnl
[19:56] <slow-motion> pidgin is strange i ignore a user and he still talks to me
[19:56] <vinnl> Might be a bug
[19:57] <cody-somerville> lol
[19:57] <cody-somerville> I experience that once and awhile too
[19:58] <slow-motion> its not a bug, its a feature. pretend you ignore hin and still get the shit he talks.
[19:59] <cody-somerville> Thats definitely not a feature : P
[19:59] <vinnl> :P
[19:59] <vidd> only M$ calls stuff like that "Features"
[20:00]  * slow-motion whistles
[20:00] <vidd> like when they introduced MSDOS and hitting the ctrl+alt+del would crash the OS, they called it a "feature"
[20:00] <vidd> like they planned it or something
[20:00] <vidd> =]
[20:01] <cody-somerville> Actually, it was intentional
[20:02] <cody-somerville> It was a debugging feature for developers but people liked it so much that they kept it in
[20:02] <vidd> i wasnt there...so i dont know
[20:02] <slow-motion> you mean the reboot was a systen crash?
[20:02] <cody-somerville> no
[20:02] <vidd> the story i heard was it was an oopps
[20:03] <xindo> anyone know of a way to configure a touchpad in xubuntu?
[20:03] <slow-motion> so someone build it in msdos to reboot the system when something goes wrong?
[20:04] <cody-somerville> slow-motion, pretty much.
[20:04] <cody-somerville> xindo, Good question :-)
[20:04] <cody-somerville> xindo, I want to disable tapping on my touchpad but our mouse configuration dialogue doesn't seem to feature that option.
[20:04]  * vidd only knows how to disable it
[20:05] <xindo> works fine, but every time i barely graze it, it registers as a tap
[20:05]  * cody-somerville nods.
[20:06] <vidd> xindo, this is kinda old...but worth a look-see
[20:06] <vidd> http://strabes.wordpress.com/2006/11/04/change-touchpad-sensitivity-in-ubuntu/
[20:08] <xindo> vidd: good stuff, the link it provides is extremely detailed
[20:10] <xindo> tells you how to disable touch pad while typing, exactly what I need
[20:11] <cody-somerville> !touchpad
[20:14] <w00t-> i have an IBM T41, the radeon mobile 7500 is supposed to be supported out of the box, but i can't turn any desktop effects on. any ideas?
[21:15] <livingdaylight> hi
[21:16] <livingdaylight> is there a xubuntu ppc iso?
[21:16] <vinnl> Somewhere, I believe
[21:16] <livingdaylight> i have an iBook G3 400mhz
[21:16] <cody-somerville> For what release?
[21:16] <vinnl> Hmm, but I can't find it :(
[21:17] <livingdaylight> otherwise there is ubuntu ppc alternate disc. Install cli and then install xfce on top for X
[21:17] <vidd> that was my recomendation....
[21:17] <vidd> do0es that ppc have internet access?
[21:17] <livingdaylight> easier if there already was an xfce ppc completee
[21:18] <livingdaylight> can do
[21:18] <vidd> livingdaylight, does that ppc have internet? you can do the mini iso and it will let you add whatever desktop ya want
[21:19] <livingdaylight> vidd: you can do the mini iso?
[21:19] <vidd> yes
[21:19] <vidd> im looking for the iso link now
[21:19] <livingdaylight> the reason i repeat with '?' is coz i don't know what mini iso is, so 'yes' doesn't help me, lol :)
[21:20] <livingdaylight> the machine only has 128mb ram, but i'm looking on eBay to find more which will help
[21:20] <vidd> what the mini does is it just has enough info to get your machine connected to your broadband internet
[21:20] <vidd> it downloads everything else from the internet "on the fly"
[21:22] <livingdaylight> is that xubuntu?
[21:22] <livingdaylight> otherwise i was thinking of debian ppc + e17
[21:23] <vidd> the mini is cli, and lets you choose to install whatever you want at the end....
[21:23] <vidd> lamp, ubuntu, edubuntu, xubuntu, whatever....lots of choises
[21:24] <vidd> i just need to find where the #%^&#$%^ ppc iso's are
[21:24] <Maximilian1st> Hi all.
[21:24] <cody-somerville> Hi
[21:25] <Maximilian1st> You are here too :-)
[21:25] <Maximilian1st> Good thing, anyway.
[21:25] <vidd> livingdaylight, it would appear that PPC is no longer supported....
[21:25] <Maximilian1st> I wasx wondering what happens if I install a goodie from svn, source install over an xubuntu packeged version?
[21:26] <vidd> i can help ya get the older version, and you can apt-get update to the latest version
[21:26]  * cody-somerville is bugging them to get the PPC port building again.
[21:26] <vinnl> Maximilian1st, why wouldn't you first uninstall the packaged version? :)
[21:27] <Maximilian1st> Yeah, why. I don't know, imagine the case where I would compile a new xfdesktop...
[21:28] <vinnl> Maximilian1st, you mean you want to try Xfce 4.6 or something? Because it's been packaged for Xubuntu 8.10
[21:28] <Maximilian1st> Why, I'll tell you. I'm affraid of loosing things. But in the end, There is no good reason for it. You're right.
[21:28] <vidd> Maximilian1st, all i can say is "tell us what happens...and make a back-up!"
[21:28] <vinnl> ^.^
[21:28] <Maximilian1st> :-)
[21:28] <Maximilian1st> Good point.
[21:29] <Maximilian1st> The thing is, I'm giving final touches to the French translation and have no idea what some otions are made for, I really need to look in the menus to be sure of what and how I should translate it.,
[21:30] <vidd> Maximilian1st, is your /home on a seperate partition like all testing machine should?(IMO)
[21:31] <Maximilian1st> Oh wonderfull world.... No, sorry, I do backup important stuff though and can recover within an hour. I use a notebook, and that is all I have.
[21:31] <vidd> if so, in the event of a total disaster, you can re-intall without overwriting the /home partition
[21:32] <livingdaylight> vidd: yes, that might do it
[21:33] <livingdaylight> vidd: i did download ubuntu alternate from which i can install a basic cli install. From there i can install xubuntu-desktop for eg?
[21:34] <vidd> yes
[21:34] <vidd> but that is messy imo
[21:34] <Maximilian1st> Why?
[21:34] <Maximilian1st> xubuntu-desktop is a meta package, no?
[21:35] <Maximilian1st> meta? an empty package that triggers a lot of others?
[21:35] <livingdaylight> vidd: i agree, but i'm not finding any easy alternatives
[21:35] <vidd> because you get the ubuntu splash, the god-awefull discusting color screme
[21:35] <livingdaylight> vidd: not many distros have ppc iso
[21:35] <vidd> true
[21:36] <vidd> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/main/installer-powerpc/current/images/powerpc/netboot/mini.iso
[21:36] <vidd> this gives MUCH better boot experience....
[21:36] <vidd> and lets you install the desktop during install
[21:36] <vidd> and its TINY
[21:37] <livingdaylight> kewl
[21:37] <livingdaylight> THANK YOU vidd
[21:37] <vidd> no problem
[21:37] <livingdaylight> vidd: "the desktop"?
[21:37] <livingdaylight> xubuntu?
[21:38] <vidd> yes....xubuntu-desktop
[21:38] <livingdaylight> that's already downloaded?
[21:38] <vidd> its at the very end of the install process
[21:38] <livingdaylight> 12.8mb iso?
[21:38] <vidd> you have a list of all available meta-packages....you choose which (if any) you want to install
[21:39] <livingdaylight> meta packages such as?
[21:39] <vidd> yes...i told you its tiny
[21:39] <livingdaylight> that is really tiny. the ubuntu alternate i downloaded earlier is 600+mb's
[21:39] <vidd> LAMP....Xubuntu-desktop....DNS Server....etc
[21:40] <livingdaylight> xubuntu-desktop is all i need i believe
[21:40] <vidd> its so small because all it has is what is needed to get your wired lan card working so you can connect to the internet
[21:41] <vidd> everything (and i mean EVERYTHING) else is downloaded off the internet
[21:42] <livingdaylight> vidd: i read on one debian tutorial and what they told me in #debianppc also is that the oldworld macintoshes may require original MacOS cd's What is your experience?
[21:45] <Olivier66> Hi, someone speak french ?
[21:45] <livingdaylight> Olivier66: ouip un peux mais je ne parle pas xubuntu :/
[21:45] <vinnl> Un petit peut :P
[21:45] <Maximilian1st> no problemo ici
[21:46] <livingdaylight> Olivier66: alors, c'est quoi la question?
[21:46] <Olivier66> I don't know why the windows menu are so bigger in openoffice ?
[21:47] <Maximilian1st> Quel est le sens de la vie?
[21:47] <Maximilian1st> That is strange French you write... So bigger than...
[21:47] <Olivier66> mets ton gps max
[21:48] <Maximilian1st> pas compris le gag :-p
[21:48] <Maximilian1st> Ah, oui
[21:48] <Maximilian1st> c'est bon. Il est tard ici.
[21:48] <Olivier66> Pourquoi les fenêtre des menus son si énorme sous openoffice
[21:48] <Maximilian1st> comparé avec quoi?
[21:49] <livingdaylight> les grandes fenetres c'est du bon Feng shui
[21:49] <Olivier66> toute les autres applications de l'environnement xubuntu
[21:49] <livingdaylight> pour laisser entrer la lumiere
[21:49] <vinnl> xD
[21:49] <Maximilian1st> that was a good one ^^
[21:50] <Olivier66> le problême est qu'elles dépasse de mon écran
[21:50] <vinnl> OpenOffice uses it's own methods of displaying everything, I suppose you can set the font size in its preferences
[21:50] <livingdaylight> vidd: te encore la?
[21:50] <Maximilian1st> J'ai le même problème avec les paramètres de evolution, énorme fenêtre...
[21:50] <vidd> huh?
[21:51] <livingdaylight> vidd: ﻿ vidd: i read on one debian tutorial and what they told me in #debianppc also is that the oldworld macintoshes may require original MacOS cd's What is yourexperinece?
[21:52] <Olivier66> max tu me comprends, c'est d'autant plus ennuyeux que je parviens difficilement à convertir ma femme de travailler avec
[21:52] <vidd> i avoid MACs like the plague
[21:52]  * vidd has never touched a MAC in his life
[21:53] <livingdaylight> vidd: it's not mine. My friend next door has just inherited his son's old mac g3, who's given me the greeen light to go ahead and revive the old machine with a linux based distro as the old os9.1 is no longer supported and supportable in both sense of the word
[21:53] <Maximilian1st> Je comprends tout à fait. Il faut peut-être essayer de changer la taille de la police principale pour tout le système et sinon, chercher dans openoffice pour changer l'aaparence générale de la bête...
[21:54] <livingdaylight> vidd: beautiful hardware though, common :)
[21:55] <vidd> from what I understand (through word of mouth only) is that you van download the software easily
[21:55] <Olivier66> dans les paramêtre OO rien de concluant je vais chercher un tuto pour réduire la police du system
[21:55] <livingdaylight> Maximilian1st: ﻿ "Il faut peut-?tre essayer de changer la taille de la police principale..." <--- OMG?
[21:55] <vidd> and all this french is making my head hurt!
[21:55] <vinnl> :P
[21:55] <Olivier66> I hope it's not difficult
[21:56] <vinnl> And here I was thinking the French never speak English...
[21:56] <vidd> at least i think its french
[21:56] <livingdaylight> vidd: well, that is what i'm hoping because they no longer have the mac os discs
[21:56] <vidd> does the MAC hav a burner?
[21:57] <livingdaylight> vidd: dont' think so, why?
[21:57] <vidd> cuzz i think the reason you need the "old disks" is to get the PPC to recognize and read i386-burned disks'
[21:58] <vidd> this again is only speculation
[21:58] <livingdaylight> ahhh... that's an intersting theory
[21:58] <vidd> and with that....i need to take my last break
[21:58] <vidd> be back in a few
[21:59] <Maximilian1st> ok Olivier66 , you should go in Outils>Option...>Affichage and change the icon size to small.
[22:00] <Maximilian1st> You could have found that yourself.
[22:00] <Maximilian1st> Olivier66, Does that solve your issue?
[22:01] <Maximilian1st> vidd, See how I bravely make an effort and only write English. You will feel better ;-p
[22:02] <Maximilian1st> was a joke, no offense meant. :-)
[22:03] <Olivier66> Merci max mais il ne s'agit pas des icones mais des dimentions trop grande des fenetres des menus de la barre d'outil
[22:05] <Maximilian1st> As-tu un exemple de menu trop grand que je puisse au moins voir cela ici?
[22:07] <Olivier66> simple, outil/options la fenêtre prend  toute la largeur de l'ecran
[22:08]  * vinnl is going to try and boot into Intrepid now, later
[22:08] <Maximilian1st> Olivier66, quelle résolution d'écran sur cette machine?
[22:10] <Maximilian1st> Olivier66, j'ai du 1024 ici et le menu des options rempli presque toute la largeur en effet.
[22:11] <Olivier66> c'est par défaut dans les paramêtre d'affichage avec unique possibilité d'être en 800*600, j'ai un ibm thonkpad m40
[22:11] <Maximilian1st> Mais il permet d'avoir du 1024 cet écran?
[22:12] <Olivier66> oui car avant avec xp c'était possible
[22:14]  * cody-somerville blinks.
[22:14] <cody-somerville> Oh dieu, oh dieu. Le français envahit.
[22:15] <Maximilian1st> cody-somerville, stay cool folks... This user has a screen resolution problem.
[22:16] <cody-somerville> :-]
[22:16] <Olivier66> c'est fini cody depuis Napoleon
[22:16] <Maximilian1st> cody-somerville, is gtk-display still used to change resolution?
[22:17] <cody-somerville> It can be.
[22:17] <Maximilian1st> What is the Xubuntu way?
[22:17] <cody-somerville> To use Applications > Settings > Display
[22:17] <cody-somerville> gtk-config is defunct except for x-failsafe
[22:17] <cody-somerville> Although I often use it (though it generally involves a lot of cursing).
[22:18] <Maximilian1st> you have an applications settings display menju? that is gnome you are talking about? Or is it me that has only xfce menu style.
[22:18] <Olivier66> xfce
[22:18] <vidd> Maximilian1st, its you
[22:18] <Olivier66> Max alors si chez toi avec du 1024 du as la même chose je ne vais pas chercher à compliquer
[22:19] <Maximilian1st> vidd, must be me :-)
[22:19] <vidd> all 8 of my xubuntu machines have that menu system =]
[22:20] <Maximilian1st> That is weird... Mine doesn't, only when I log in gnome do I have these menus.
[22:20] <vidd> gnome? or gdm?
[22:20] <cody-somerville> Default is only Applications and Places menu
[22:20] <Maximilian1st> I mean it, gnome
[22:21] <Maximilian1st> We all use gdm, don't we?
[22:21] <cody-somerville> Yes
[22:21] <vidd> well....i set a machine to load slim as the manager...but its very weak in the ram department
[22:22] <vidd> and dont count as one of my xubuntu machines
[22:22] <Olivier66> Merci de votre aide, good night everybody
[22:22] <Maximilian1st> Now, I remember I had to twinkle xorg.conf so my resolutions appear in display, the xfce display menu
[22:22] <Maximilian1st> Olivier66, good night.
[22:23] <vidd> did he say "thanks for the help"? (my french really is bad)
[22:23] <Maximilian1st> vidd, He's not gone yet...
[22:24] <Maximilian1st> by the way he still is stuck with his laptop showing only 800x600
[22:24] <vidd> yeah...but hes not talking english much either
[22:24] <Maximilian1st> You can't blame him for that.
[22:25] <vidd> does he have "default" listed in his applications->settings->settings manager ... Display?
[22:25] <vidd> nvmd then
[22:26] <Maximilian1st> nvmd?
[22:26] <vidd> time for me to go home
[22:26] <vidd> nvmd = never mind
[22:26] <Maximilian1st> :-)
[22:26] <vidd> night all
[22:26] <Maximilian1st> Good way back home.
[22:27] <Maximilian1st> cody-somerville, Can I recreate this menu somehow?
[22:29] <cody-somerville> yup
[22:29] <Maximilian1st> enlighten me
[22:30] <cody-somerville> You just create an xml file that conforms to the f.d.o spec
[22:30] <Maximilian1st> I created a new panel on top, it has the places for now
[22:30] <cody-somerville> oh, I misunderstand
[22:30] <cody-somerville> Right click, add new item, xfce menu at the bottom of the list
[23:07] <Rakeer> what is the default partition manager in x?
[23:10] <favro> there is gparted on the live cd Rakeer - partitions have to be unmounted to change them and the live cd is easiest for that imo
[23:11] <Rakeer> favro: is there a way just to view current partition sizes/labels?
[23:11] <Rakeer> Id like to pass along the info, but I forgot which sizes I did for newwrold and swap
[23:11] <favro> Rakeer: sudo fdisk -l   should do the trick
[23:11] <Rakeer> ty, will try
[23:12] <Rakeer> odd, I get no output from that command
[23:13] <favro> try   df -h
[23:14] <favro> sudo fdisk -l should work tho...
[23:15] <Rakeer> hhm, gives me some info, but not very specific..
[23:15] <Rakeer> favro: I believe you, however it just returns to a prompt when I run it, no output, nothing
[23:17] <RYknow> Hey guys, could someone help me out with screenlets.
[23:18] <RYknow> I've got it installed. When I start it up, it keeps asking to create a autostart dir. When I click yes, it put the dor on my desktop
[23:18] <RYknow> I don't want the folder sitting there though.
[23:18] <RYknow> I tried to create a dir in my home folder, but it says there is already one there.
[23:19] <favro> RYknow: starting it from terminal?
[23:22] <favro> RYknow: afaik there is a hidden folder in your home folder called .config - in there is a Aotostart folder - move the desktop folder into there maybe
[23:22] <favro> *Autostart
[23:23] <RYknow> I'll try that.
[23:24] <RYknow> I tried to copy/paste the folder from my desktop, just to my home folder, and it wouldn't let me do that.
[23:25] <RYknow> I copy/pasted to folder to the auto start in .config.
[23:26] <RYknow> After restarting screenlets, it's still asking me if I want it to create an autostart.
[23:26] <RYknow> I'm not starting screenlets from the terminal.
[23:26] <RYknow> It's if I go Applications - Settings - Screenlets
[23:29] <favro> RYknow: can you open a terminal and enter in it   cd ~/.config/Autostart
[23:30] <favro> RYknow: then type in   screenlets   and hit enter
[23:32] <RYknow> When i cd to Autostart. If I just type screenlets, it says "command not found?
[23:32] <RYknow> I'm still pretty new to linux. So bare with me please. heh.
[23:34] <RYknow> Hey man. I gotta run to the store. Hopefully you'll still be here when I get back. I'd like to get this resolved if I can tonight.
[23:34] <RYknow> bbiab.
[23:47] <favro> RYknow: there should be a folder in .config called Screenlets - if there isn't you need to make one apparently
[23:49] <favro> RYknow: and the command is   screenlets-manager