[00:00] <anom01y> so if it crashes again I will run dmesg and paste the output to pastebin for you guys, sound good ?
[00:00] <ign0ramus> anom01y: that's your best bet.
[00:00] <anom01y> (er not if, I mean when)
[00:00] <davidedmundson> heh, lets hope
[00:01] <davidedmundson> also final solution
[00:01] <davidedmundson> upgrade to intrepid...
[00:01] <ign0ramus> or the latest kernel... but neither one can promise anything
[00:01] <fannagoganna> btw, what kind of card do you have?
[00:01] <davidedmundson> some VIA onboard thing.
[00:02] <anom01y> http://pastebin.ca/1195977
[00:02] <anom01y> that is dmesg output
[00:02] <anom01y> because alsa did just recently crash (1 hr ago)
[00:02] <anom01y> well a few times today actually
[00:02] <davidedmundson> [   82.520698] hda-intel: Invalid position buffer, using LPIB read method instead.
[00:02] <davidedmundson> huh...
[00:03] <davidedmundson> hda-intel
[00:03] <davidedmundson> anom01y: fyi it's not alsa crashing - it's the "driver" to the soundcard
[00:04] <davidedmundson> but that's fairly incidental as far as you're concerned I imagine!
[00:04] <anom01y> ok great looks like we are getting somewhere
[00:04] <davidedmundson> good news -  intrepid kernel may well fix it...
[00:04] <davidedmundson> as new = better
[00:04] <davidedmundson> (sometimes)
[00:04] <davidedmundson> also you have something to type into google
[00:04] <davidedmundson> and next time it crashes run
[00:04] <anom01y> well I did change sound cards without reinstalling alsa
[00:05] <ign0ramus> anom01y: that could do it!  XD
[00:05] <Darkrift2> hrmmmm, anyone know if magiciso is in the repos?
[00:05] <davidedmundson> sudo modprobe -r snd-hda-intel ;  sudo modprobe snd-had-intel
[00:05] <Darkrift2> apt-cache didnt seem to find it, but i didnt know if there was another way to find out
[00:06] <ign0ramus> Darkrift2: I'm sure it's in *some* repos... I don't get what you mean.
[00:06] <anom01y> http://pastebin.ca/1195983
[00:06] <davidedmundson> ign0ramus: it's a driver logging messages though...
[00:06] <Darkrift2> id rather install it using apt if possible, but cant fidn it... not sure how to find out which repo would have it.... im used to just using what is available
[00:07] <ign0ramus> anom01y: typo
[00:07] <davidedmundson> no, it's not
[00:07] <Darkrift2> is there a site or method of searching for other repos?
[00:07] <ign0ramus> 'snd-had-intel' ?
[00:07] <davidedmundson> oh yeah
[00:07] <anom01y> ahh thanks
[00:07] <davidedmundson> but the first part still failed
[00:07] <ign0ramus> :)
[00:08] <anom01y> FATAL: Module snd_hda_intel is in use.
[00:08] <ign0ramus> what's the command to stop running a module
[00:08] <davidedmundson> modprobe -r
[00:08] <davidedmundson> but it requires no apps are using that modeul
[00:08] <davidedmundson> *module
[00:08] <davidedmundson> you'll need to sudo /etc/init.d/alsa stop
[00:08] <davidedmundson> close amarok
[00:08] <davidedmundson> etc.
[00:09] <Darkrift2> oh, didnt know magiciso wasnt free... nvm
[00:09] <ign0ramus> Darkrift2: what are you trying to do?
[00:09] <Darkrift2> burn a uif file
[00:09] <anom01y>  /etc/init.d/alsa not found
[00:09] <ign0ramus> Darkrift2: ok, hang on
[00:09] <davidedmundson> urgh. I gotta be going
[00:10] <davidedmundson> you've got a line to type into google
[00:10] <davidedmundson> and I really recommend upgrading (just the kernel(?)) to intrepid
[00:10] <anom01y> ok how do I do this ?
[00:10] <anom01y> !kernel
[00:10] <davidedmundson> pah, that wasn't very helpful
[00:11] <davidedmundson> hold on.
[00:12] <ign0ramus> Darkrift2: see: http://wesleybailey.com/articles/convert-uif-to-iso
[00:12] <anom01y> I tried following the instructions in that link before but I coulnd't get past the first stage lol
[00:12] <anom01y> Click on System > Administration > Update Manager > Click on Check button > Apply all updates including kernel.
[00:13] <anom01y> where is this "update manager" ???
[00:14] <ign0ramus> anom01y: it was written for GNOME
[00:14] <anom01y> ahh so what do I do for KDE ?
[00:14] <ign0ramus> anom01y: you can find kernels in Adept by searching for "linux-image" and finding the latest one (highest number)
[00:15] <anom01y> ok
[00:15] <ign0ramus> anom01y: or you could "roll your own", but i strongly discourage it if you're not sure what you're doing
[00:15] <intelikey> what's the syntax for a url to search for a key word on google.com ?
[00:15] <anom01y> well hopefully this fixes the sound issue
[00:16] <Darkrift2> ill check that out ign0ramus but the thread i was reading said that the convert rarely works and magiciso was the best way... hopefully that was wrong
[00:16] <ign0ramus> intelikey: i'm not sure i understand your question
[00:16] <anom01y> which, I believe, was caused from me changing sound cards without reconfiguring alsa (it just seemed to work, but it crashes once in a while)
[00:17] <ign0ramus> anom01y: you can always purge and reinstall alsa, hopefully it will reconfigure itself properly as it did the first time
[00:17] <intelikey> ign0ramus like say you want to search for "blah" for example.    http://google.com/search%blah  ???
[00:17] <ign0ramus> Darkrift2: do you own a copy of magiciso for Windows?
[00:17] <Darkrift2> nope, thats why im trying this
[00:17] <intelikey> what's the url syntax
[00:17] <Darkrift2> rather try and stay with free sw
[00:18] <ign0ramus> Darkrift2: check google to see if mencoder can do this for you.  it's pretty robust
[00:18] <Darkrift2> k
[00:18] <favro> Darkrift2: there is a shareware version of magiciso that'll work in wine
[00:19] <ign0ramus> intelikey: the way you're describing it, if you wanted to search for 'blah', you just type it in the search bar... i must not understand your question properly  :/
[00:19] <Darkrift2> hrmmm, good to know... now i have a few options to try
[00:19] <Darkrift2> thx again guys
[00:19] <ign0ramus> Darkrift2: yeah, i believe that magiciso has a 30 day trial, so you can at least get some work done for right now
[00:20] <Darkrift2> oh
[00:20] <Darkrift2> i need it once lol, so taht would work great
[00:20] <intelikey> ign0ramus what search bar does the command line have ?
[00:20] <ign0ramus> intelikey: ohhh... from a shell!  that makes more sense.  you didn't say CLI
[00:20] <Darkrift2> my mother in laws xp restore cd is dead, so im having to dl an xp iso and the one i found that is oem and sp3 is in uif, so thats what all this is about
[00:20] <Darkrift2> i need to try to use her cdkey, so i had to pick sp3/oem
[00:21] <intelikey> ign0ramus it shouldn't matter where the url is called from
[00:21] <ign0ramus> intelikey: it matters if you're using a browser
[00:22] <anom01y> ok in adept_manager, there is linux-image-2.6.24-19 386,generic,openvz,rt,server,virtual,and xen
[00:22] <anom01y> which one should I pick ?
[00:22] <intelikey> ign0ramus why ?   why would using a browser to retrieve a page be different than using wget  ?
[00:22] <intelikey> or curl ?
[00:22] <anom01y> or should I just upgrade linux-image-generic ???
[00:22] <intelikey> the remote host shouldn't care whether you have a browser or not
[00:22] <anom01y> as it says "upgradable" beside it
[00:23] <ign0ramus> intelikey: google uses "http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=KEYWORD" In English, anyway
[00:23] <intelikey> ign0ramus k thanks.
[00:23] <ign0ramus> intelikey: np
[00:23] <ign0ramus> anom01y: generic should be good for you
[00:24] <ign0ramus> anom01y: and you know that when you upgrade your kernel, you must reboot, right?
[00:24] <anom01y> yes, do I have to uninstall the old kernel ?
[00:24] <Hamra> no kidding!
[00:24] <ign0ramus> intelikey: no, you don't have to
[00:24] <Hamra> no need to
[00:25] <ign0ramus> Hamra: you again!
[00:25] <Hamra> i'm everywhere
[00:25] <anom01y> so just install linux-image-2.6.24-19 generic ?
[00:25] <ign0ramus> anom01y: keep in mind that when GRUB starts up, you will have your choice of kernel to load
[00:25] <ign0ramus> anom01y: yup
[00:25] <anom01y> ok thanks guys
[00:25] <ign0ramus> anom01y: np.  hope that fixes your sound issue
[00:26] <anom01y> yeah the current kernel is 2.6.24-16
[00:26] <ign0ramus> Hamra: you still in #xkcd?
[00:26] <Hamra> 2.6.24-19 is the only kernel that hibernate worked with for me
[00:26] <Hamra> no
[00:26] <ign0ramus> Hamra: i didn't like the vibe there today
[00:27] <Hamra> i was too drowsy to catch up with everything there
[00:27] <ign0ramus> Hamra: i'm with ya.  i like this channel because it moves slowwww  :-)
[00:28] <Hamra> yes, it works better for slow heads like me :P even better, is mailing lists, i participate there a lot
[00:29] <ign0ramus> Hamra: do you have any idea how to stop my laptop screen from timing out after like 15 minutes?  There's no option in Power Saver, and I've disabled the screen saver
[00:29] <ign0ramus> Hamra: I'm trying to play Earthbound, and i have to keep tapping the touchpad to bring my display back
[00:29] <Hamra> could be a BIOS option
[00:29] <ign0ramus> Hamra: haven't checked in there in a while.  you could be right
[00:30] <Hamra> check the acpi power options in the BIOS
[00:30] <ign0ramus> Hamra: i think i'll do that now... it's been bothering me.  I've been playing Earthbound for a few days now.  I have no idea why I didn't play it as a kid
[00:34] <Hamra> !inetlikey
[00:35] <anom01y> hey guys Im on the live cd right now because my grub is broken
[00:35] <Digit4l> Hi
[00:35] <Digit4l> Is there any program for managing rapidshare links ?
[00:35] <anom01y> when installing the latest kernel in adept_manager, It asked if I wanted to keep the same menu.1st or use the one to be installed, I selected install the new one
[00:36] <Hamra> what went wrong?
[00:36] <Hamra> rapidshare links need managing?
[00:36] <anom01y> well when I reset, It went to some basic grub menu, and every selection I tried (kernel) it sayd file not found
[00:37] <anom01y> so my menu.1st got overwritten from installing the new kernel, now its broke
[00:37] <anom01y> maybe there is a backup
[00:38] <anom01y> what directory is menu.1st located at ?
[00:38] <Hamra> do you know your partition scheme or not sure about it?
[00:39] <anom01y> Hamra: not sure
[00:39] <Hamra> in /boot/grub/menu.lst , but of course you can't look for it in that directory when using livecd
[00:39] <tekstacy> !apt-fix
[00:39] <anom01y> ok there is a menu.1st~ but, it will not show my latest kernel that I just installed
[00:39] <Hamra> do you have 1 hard disk or 2?
[00:39] <intelikey> hmmm        ****** Forbidden ******
[00:39] <intelikey>      Your client does not have permission to get URL
[00:39] <intelikey> missing cookies or something...
[00:39] <anom01y> Hamra: I have 3
[00:40] <anom01y> Im just going to copy menu.1st~ overtop of menu.1st
[00:40] <Hamra> and kubuntu is installed on which one? first, second, third?
[00:40] <draik> Hello all
[00:40] <draik> I have a minor issue with Kaffeine. I keep getting this error message:
[00:40] <draik> This DVD Video is encrypted. To be able to watch it you will need to install libdvdcss by running from a console: sudo /usr/share/doc/kaffeine/install-css.sh. In some countries it is illegal to install the decryption software without permission from the video copyright holder.
[00:40] <Digit4l> Is there any program for managing rapidshare links ?
[00:41] <draik> I never got this error in the past. I did as instructed and it still gives me the same error message when I pop in a backup DVD.
[00:41] <Hamra> draik: try in a terminal   sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2
[00:42] <draik> Hamra: libdvdcss2 is already the newest version.
[00:42] <ign0ramus> hey draik!
[00:42] <draik> ign0ramus: Hey buddy. How's it been?
[00:43] <Hamra> so any luck ign0ramus?
[00:43] <ign0ramus> busy.... good, but busy
[00:43] <ign0ramus> Hamra: nothing in the bios... no acpi options at all, actually.
[00:43] <draik> Busy proves you're doing something
[00:43] <ign0ramus> Hamra: a pretty sh*tty bios if you ask me ;)
[00:44] <ign0ramus> draik: ... and that's why i 'deserve' a few drinks after work :)
[00:44] <draik> Only a few, huh?
[00:44] <ign0ramus> draik: on weekdays, yes.  weekends, otoh...
[00:44] <Hamra> isn't there any python script like that of xkcd? the one that moves the mouse every few seconds?
[00:45] <ign0ramus> Hamra: what a script to play a practical joke on someone?
[00:45] <ign0ramus> Hamra: oh, i see, to stop the display from timing out... XD
[00:45] <anom01y> how can I tell if I am running from the latest kernel ?
[00:45] <Hamra> no, a script to keep the monitor from turning off, or screensavers running
[00:45] <ign0ramus> --------.21 is the latest in the repos
[00:46] <Digit4l> Is there any program for managing rapidshare links ?
[00:46] <ign0ramus> anom01y: to check what you're running,  * uname -a *
[00:46] <Hamra> what does one manage in rapidshare links?
[00:47] <gx009> time
[00:47] <ign0ramus> draik: the command you were trying to remember (like 3 weeks ago) is * dpkg -l *
[00:47] <draik> What was I trying to do?
[00:47] <anom01y> ok its still running from the old kernel, I was going to just reinstall the latest linux-image package because my grub got broke and I had to overwrite the menu.lst with the old one
[00:47] <ign0ramus> draik: see if you had any packages named "x" installed
[00:47] <draik> Oh
[00:47] <ign0ramus> draik: we decided to go the n00b route and check Adept
[00:48] <draik> Haha. Oh yeah
[00:48] <ign0ramus> but it's * dpkg -l *
[00:48] <gx009> time to see if i can make 8.10 install kde from gnome
[00:48] <ign0ramus> draik: i don't know why i just thought of that...
[00:48] <draik> The buzz wore off?
[00:49] <ign0ramus> draik: yeah, but i'm off to the bar after i eat.  Damn hurricane storms here
[00:49] <draik> I was out in San Antonio this weekend. Couldn't leave on Monday due to all refugees going to the shelter in SATX
[00:49] <ign0ramus> draik: o_O  Sucks, dude.
[00:50] <draik> Not really. I was with my girl and it all worked out :)
[00:50] <ign0ramus> draik: haha
[00:50] <ign0ramus> draik: hey, do you know how to stop my display from timing out (like when playing games or watching movies)?
[00:50] <gx009> yours.. lol.. i got 3 OSes in one puter .. that beats your weekend
[00:51] <ign0ramus> draik: i've disabled the screen saver, and there's no option in Power Manager...
[00:51] <draik> ign0ramus: It shouldn't time out at all when playing DVDs.
[00:51] <draik> ign0ramus: Check your DVD app
[00:51] <ign0ramus> draik: no, but when watching stuff on hulu or whatever (streaming flash) it will
[00:51] <draik> What the deuce?
[00:51] <ign0ramus> ?
[00:52] <ign0ramus> anom01y: any luck on the sound?
[00:52] <anom01y> ok sorry how can I check which kernel I am running again ?
[00:52] <anom01y> Im still trying to get the kernel to work :)
[00:52] <ign0ramus> * uname -a *
[00:52] <anom01y> (grub) I mean
[00:53] <anom01y> hmm still running the old one for some reason
[00:53] <ign0ramus> anom01y: you can uninstall your old kernel and do a * sudo update-grub *
[00:53] <Hamra> anom01y: you booted the system? right? you/re not in the livecd anymore?
[00:54] <ign0ramus> anom01y: is GRUB giving you the option of booting into the new kernel?
[00:54] <Gigant0r> has anyone here got experience getting infa red remotes to work in ubuntu?
[00:55] <Ashex> any way to have apt check for updates and automatically upgrade without every prompting me to update or enter a password?
[00:55] <ign0ramus> Gigant0r: what, for like MythTV or something?
[00:55] <Gigant0r> ign0ramus: xbmc actually
[00:55] <ign0ramus> Gigant0r: hmmm.... :/
[00:55] <Gigant0r> well, more specifically
[00:55] <Gigant0r> if i run lsusb
[00:56] <Gigant0r> and the device is not shown, is that the o/s not physically seeing it, or is there some configuration required before lsusb will show it
[00:56] <draik> Anyone know how I can rid myself of that message from Kaffeine?
[00:57] <ign0ramus> Gigant0r: i have no idea with xmbc.  sorry man.
[00:57] <anom01y> btw: what is the proper way to run adept_manager ? I try kdesu adept_manager I get frequent crashes, same with sude adept_manager
[00:57] <Hamra> Ashex: k-menu-->system-->adept manager , click the adept menu, choose manage repositories , updates tab, choose the appropriate choice
[00:57] <Gigant0r> its not really an xbmc query tho..i can do the xbmc part if i can get the o/s to see it at all
[00:57] <Gigant0r> dw i'll do some more googling
[00:57] <ign0ramus> anom01y: * Adept Manager *
[00:58] <ign0ramus> anom01y: Adept is known for crashing, btw  ;-)
[00:58] <gx009> nah
[00:58] <Ashex> Hamra, do I need the notifier running? or does it just add to cron?
[00:58] <anom01y> ok thats good
[00:58] <anom01y> so its not just me
[00:59] <Hamra> Ashex: the notifier might notify you of updates, but if you chose to let adept download and install automatically, you need'nt worry about the notifier no more
[00:59] <ign0ramus> anom01y: On Feisty, every time i checked a box to add a repository, Adept would crash, and I would have to re-open it to tick another box... It's gotten better since then, but not much
[01:00] <Ashex> Hamra, okay, thanks :) I don't use the notifier so was curious
[01:00] <Ashex> I update when I remember, but decided that it's safe to just let it update itself
[01:00] <gx009> maybe you need to try a different puter
[01:00] <Hamra> ign0ramus: it still does with me, this happens after you manually edit your sources.list
[01:01] <Hamra> BTW, 3rd party repos, where are these stored? they aren't in sources.list
[01:01] <ign0ramus> Hamra: that would explain it!
[01:02] <Hamra> anom01y: hope it's good news you bring
[01:02] <anom01y> ok I uninstalled the old kernel packages and ran sudo update-grub
[01:02] <anom01y> but I am still running from the old kernel
[01:02] <anom01y> I never did hit esc to pull up the grub menu though
[01:03] <anom01y> I just let it run through
[01:03] <Hamra> what's the point?
[01:03] <anom01y> how do I get it to run by default the latest kernel that I just installed ?
[01:04] <intelikey> Hamra third party repos are called multiverse
[01:04] <anom01y> hmm I will be right back I am going to reset and try entering the grub menu
[01:04] <gx009> !medibuntu
[01:04] <ign0ramus> how is he running on the old kernel if he uninstalled it? s:
[01:05] <Hamra> good question
[01:05] <intelikey> ign0ramus that's not a question. the question is will he be able to boot if he removed the running kernel
[01:06] <intelikey> anyone can remove the running kernel.   it's already loaded/running.
[01:06] <ign0ramus> intelikey: he did install the latest one, but said he uninstalled his old one...
[01:06] <ign0ramus> ...and he's back
[01:06] <Hamra> ahem
[01:06] <intelikey> yes but you should never remove what's running until you have confirmed that the new can replace it.
[01:06] <anom01y> ok I installed the latest kernel via adept, uninstalled the old kernel, ran update-grub, but I do not see the latest kernel in the grub menu upon bootup
[01:06] <fiXXXerMet> How do I cycle to the next screen using the keyboard?
[01:06] <fiXXXerMet> Er, not screen, but desktop / workspace
[01:06] <intelikey> that's just common sense
[01:07] <Hamra> so what kernel are you running now?
[01:07] <ign0ramus> intelikey: right.  that's what i think he did, but i don't see how he's loading the old kernel if it's been uninstalled... (he's been rebooting over and over)
[01:07] <ign0ramus> fiXXXerMet: alt+tab
[01:07] <anom01y> I will double check adept
[01:08] <ign0ramus> err.. ctrl+tab
[01:08] <intelikey> fiXXXerMet it's actually adjustable.  kcontrol can be used to get there.   or khotkeys i think
[01:08] <anom01y> hmm ok linux-image-2.6.24-16-generic is still installed, I guess I cannot uninstall it while its running from it ?
[01:09] <anom01y> (thats the old one btw)
[01:09] <intelikey> anom01y yeah you can.  but you probably shouldnt
[01:09] <ign0ramus> anom01y: install the latest version, boot to it from GRUB,and if it works, you can uninstall the old one
[01:09] <Hamra> anom01y: go to /boot , check what kernel images exist there, and manually edit the menu.lst file
[01:10] <intelikey> anom01y never remove an older kernel until you have ironed the bugs out of the new one.
[01:10] <Hamra> just copy paste the existing entry, and change the numbers in it
[01:10] <intelikey> Hamra or use   sudo update-grub
[01:11] <anom01y> that update-grub doesnt work,
[01:11] <anom01y> I just edited menu.lst and changed all "24-16" to "24-19"
[01:12] <Hamra> something is not working right with update-grub
[01:12] <anom01y> yeah it did nothing for me
[01:12] <Hamra> did you make sure you kept a 24-16 entry though?
[01:12] <fiXXXerMet> intelikey: How do I change the hotkey in kcontrol?
[01:12] <Hamra> you need to keep a fail-safe option in case 24-19 didn't work
[01:12] <anom01y> no I just changed them all to 24-19
[01:12] <fiXXXerMet> I looked through and can't find it
 I just edited menu.lst and changed all "24-16" to "24-19"  <<< very bad idea
[01:13] <Hamra> copy paste the few lines, and make sure you have a 24-16 entry and a 24-19 entry
[01:13] <ign0ramus> fiXXXerMet: in kcontrol, search "keyboard shortcuts"
[01:13] <anom01y> hmm ok I will try that
[01:13] <intelikey> fiXXXerMet i'm sorry. if you can't find it there try khotkeys   it should be easier for you
[01:17] <fiXXXerMet> intelikey: Found it in kcontrol.  Thanks!
[01:18] <Hamra> i gtg for now
[01:18] <Hamra> good night everyone
[01:18] <Hamra> it's 3:20 am here
[01:22] <Judo> Can anyone tell me what packages I need to get Dragon Player to actual work?
[01:22] <Judo> actually*
[01:22] <anom01y> ok so I did what you told me to do (copy and past stuff inside the menu.1st)
[01:22] <anom01y> but, when I try to run off the newest kernel, It puts me to a prompt and doesnt load kde
[01:23] <anom01y> asking me to log int
[01:23] <intelikey> !ati | anom01y
[01:23] <ign0ramus> anom01y: Hamra, the person suggesting that has left
[01:23] <intelikey> vidio driver issue most likely
[01:23] <anom01y> well my xorg.con never changed
[01:23] <intelikey> anom01y of course not
[01:24] <intelikey> what does that have to do with anything ?
[01:24] <anom01y> isnt there a step by step instruction manual to upgrade the kernel anywhere ?
[01:24] <intelikey> anom01y normaly it's one step    sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:25] <ign0ramus> anom01y: i would recommend reinstalling your kernels from adept, and then running * sudo update-grub *.  This is a very simple process, and should clean out your (probably) corrupted conf file
[01:25] <intelikey> well   two if you need to   sudo apt-get update   #first
[01:25] <ign0ramus> intelikey: when you install a new kernel, doesn't APT offer to 'fix' your GRUB for you?
[01:26] <anom01y> yes I selected "install newer menu.lst" and I coulnd't turn my computer on
[01:26] <intelikey> offer ?   i thought that was automatic unless you messed with the /boot/grub/menu.lst or /etc/kernel*   and disabled it
[01:26] <anom01y> so I copied the backup menu.lst~ over menu.lst
[01:26] <ign0ramus> intelikey:  you may be right
[01:26] <anom01y> and manually edited it from there, copying and pasting the existing items and replacing the .16 to .19
[01:27] <intelikey> anom01y what vidio chip ?
[01:27] <anom01y> nvidia
[01:27] <ign0ramus> anom01y: i know what someone else told you, but for this, you *do not* have to manually edit a config file
[01:27] <ign0ramus> anom01y: it will only complicate things if you're new to the process
[01:28] <intelikey> and this new kernel   did it come from the repos and did a linux-restricted* of the same version come with it ?
[01:28] <ign0ramus> intelikey: he installed the latest version of his current kernel (generic)
[01:28] <anom01y> ? I dont know I just installed linux-image-2.6.24-19-generic
[01:28] <ign0ramus> the newest is 2.6.24-21
[01:29] <anom01y> well I never seen that there
[01:29] <intelikey> if the answer to either of those ^ is no. then you have no vidio driver "nvidia" for that kernel.   i.e. xorg can't start.
[01:29] <anom01y> ahh maybe I forgot apt-get update
[01:29] <ign0ramus> anom01y: do that, and then a dist-upgrade
[01:30] <anom01y> ok will that fix the kernel (properly install it ) ?
[01:30] <ign0ramus> anom01y: hopefully :)
[01:30] <intelikey> it should install the latest "supported" kernel
[01:30] <anom01y> should I just change menu.lst to the way it used to be (remove the entries for the new kernel ) ?
[01:30] <ign0ramus> anom01y: if it asks you if you want it to edit your grub, say yes
[01:30] <gx009> you can edit /part fail
[01:30] <intelikey> + restricted nvidia driver
[01:31] <ign0ramus> intelikey: is that necessary to boot X?  Does a livecd have the nvidia driver?
[01:31] <anom01y> yes
[01:31] <anom01y> I can use a live cd
[01:31] <intelikey> if you use "nvidia" as your driver   yes
[01:32] <intelikey> if you use "vesa"  or  "nv"  then no.
[01:32] <anom01y> I hate doing dist-upgrades they scare me
[01:32] <ign0ramus> intelikey: so the livecd includes the nvidia restricted driver, but the generic kernel does not.  is that correct?
[01:33] <intelikey> don't be alarmed  apt-get dist-upgrade is not a version upgrade
[01:33] <anom01y> I still dont think its going to do much about the kernel
[01:33] <intelikey> only if you change the sources.list to a new version will that happen
[01:33] <intelikey> anom01y we'll see.
[01:34] <intelikey> anom01y catch me up.   what was the "origenal" issue ?
[01:35] <anom01y> intelikey: I just installed the latest linux-image-2.6.24-19-generic, and I was aksed what to do with menu.lst, I selected update to the new one (not default selection)
[01:35]  * intelikey taps desk on fingrenail
[01:35] <anom01y> my grub broke, so I had to manually edit the menu.lst to fix it
[01:35] <anom01y> then I tried sudo update-grub, that did nothing
[01:36] <anom01y> then I tried editing the menu.1st and changing .16 to .19 and rebooting
[01:36] <anom01y> that put me to a login prompt in a shell (kde didn't load)
[01:36] <anom01y> so now I am just doing a dist-upgrade
[01:36] <intelikey> so a kernel upgrade is/was the origenal problem ?
[01:37] <intelikey> anom01y do you have pastebinit installed ?
[01:37] <intelikey> !info pastebinit
[01:38] <anom01y> I dont know I might just reinstall the entire thing all this work seems useless
[01:38] <intelikey> it is useless.
[01:38] <intelikey> computers are useless
[01:38] <anom01y> everything I try breaks something
[01:38] <ign0ramus> anom01y: you did the update && upgrade?
[01:39] <anom01y> I am in the middle of a upgrade right now
[01:39] <ign0ramus> this is simple stuff... you really shouldn't give up this easilhy
[01:39] <ign0ramus> *easily
[01:39] <anom01y> I've been at it for 2 hours lol
[01:39] <ign0ramus> anom01y: ok, hang tight... did the upgrade include the newest kernel?
[01:39] <ign0ramus> it should have.
[01:39] <anom01y> I didnt see it because I already installed it manually
[01:40] <ign0ramus> anom01y: you said you didn't have the newest kernel installed because you didn't update!
[01:40] <ign0ramus> anom01y: i think a communication issue is causing the bulk of the problems
[01:41] <intelikey> computers are useless, time consuming, diversions; that have robbed us of our familes and friends, stolen our money, and ruined our ability to think clearly.      or maybe not.
[01:42] <anom01y> ign0ramus: sorry yeah I did the update and checked if the kernel I installed was the latest and it was
[01:43] <ign0ramus> anom01y: ok, so has the upgrade completed?
[01:43] <anom01y> (sorry) yeah that was not an issue, I think I just did an update yesterday or something anyway
[01:43] <intelikey> anom01y tell me when the upgrade completes
[01:43] <anom01y> nope just about
[01:43] <anom01y> ok
[01:43] <ign0ramus> anom01y: if you updated yesterday -21 would've been in your repos! GAH!
[01:43] <ign0ramus> anom01y: ok, it's done?
[01:43] <anom01y> 95%
[01:44] <intelikey> that's % of the dl process
[01:44] <anom01y> hmm yeah I did an update and I never saw anything over .19
[01:45] <anom01y> I have a feeling my system is going to be screwed after this upgrade
[01:46] <intelikey> not unless you screwed the sources.list
[01:46] <ign0ramus> anom01y: couldn't be worse than what you've done manually :)
[01:46] <intelikey> ign0ramus wanna bet
[01:46] <anom01y> Setting up linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-19-generic (2.6.24-19.28) ...
[01:46] <ign0ramus> intelikey: no thanks:)
[01:46] <anom01y> that was outputted :)
[01:47] <anom01y> ok DONE !
[01:47] <ign0ramus> ok... i don't know what you were doing before.  installing a package is kind of the easy part about linux
[01:47] <anom01y> well I've installed many packages, but getting grub to detect the kernel I just installed wasn't easy
[01:48] <intelikey> anom01y good.  copy your menu.lst some place safe  /root maybe   and sudo update-grub
[01:48] <ign0ramus> * sudo update-grub *
[01:48] <ign0ramus> what intelikey said.
[01:48] <intelikey> or move it there would be even better
[01:48] <anom01y> ok update-grub looks like it worked
[01:48] <ign0ramus> of course it did...
[01:48] <anom01y> yeah I just copied it
[01:49] <ign0ramus> *headdesks*
[01:49] <intelikey> anom01y test it.
[01:49] <anom01y> ok brb thanks
[01:49] <intelikey> we'll be hidding here some place
[01:49] <ign0ramus> wow.  installing a package in just under 3 hours!  you saw it here first
[01:49] <ign0ramus> haha
[01:50] <ign0ramus> i wanna help the kid, but my god...
[01:50] <intelikey> ign0ramus some times the help here can run you around the block first     you know that.
[01:50] <WaSTe[bRe]> hi all
[01:50] <WaSTe[bRe]> how to opet theme manager in kubuntu?
[01:50] <WaSTe[bRe]> kde theme manager?
[01:50] <intelikey> !theme
[01:50] <ign0ramus> !changethemes
[01:51] <intelikey> err not sure that's it...
[01:51] <WaSTe[bRe]> no themes, i install a theme and whete to find it to use it?
[01:51] <WaSTe[bRe]> there is not theme manager unde system settings
[01:51] <intelikey> yeah that's it    ^
[01:51] <ign0ramus> WaSTe[bRe]: kcontrol - kdmtheme manager
[01:51] <WaSTe[bRe]> thnx
[01:52] <ign0ramus> WaSTe[bRe]: make sure your themes are kdm compatible and you'll be set
[01:52] <intelikey> or kcontrol > look & feel > themes    depending
[01:52] <intelikey> could be kde not kdm
[01:52] <WaSTe[bRe]> its kdm
[01:52] <anom01y> k cool all looks good I think
[01:53] <anom01y> and, its running from 24.19
[01:53] <ign0ramus> anom01y: good.  now for your alsa issue...
[01:53] <intelikey> anom01y so you have other issues    or no ?
[01:53] <anom01y> ok the sound is working now
[01:53] <anom01y> the only way I can test it is by seeing if it ever crashes again
[01:53]  * ign0ramus praises Shuttleworth
[01:53] <anom01y> so, if that happens I will be back
[01:54] <intelikey> anom01y and you have a junk kernel lying around ?
[01:54] <anom01y> thanks again for your guys help and patience
[01:54] <anom01y> yeah I guess I will manually remove that old kernel when I get back
[01:54] <ign0ramus> anom01y: hang on...
[01:54] <anom01y> ok
[01:54] <anom01y> when I apt-remove the old kernel just run update-grub again ?
[01:54] <intelikey> anom01y k.   if all is well with you,   all is well with me.
[01:55] <ign0ramus> anom01y: yes.
[01:55] <anom01y> ok
[01:55] <intelikey> yep
[01:55] <anom01y> thanks guys
[01:55] <anom01y> greatly appreciate it
[01:55] <anom01y> :)
[01:55]  * ign0ramus breathes a sigh of relief
[01:56] <intelikey> now i'll go back to trying to write a google script
[01:56] <ign0ramus> i'm going to get some hard liquor  ;)
[01:56] <ibkanat> I am having trouble playing dvd(movies) on my drive.  I installed the restricted drivers but doesnt work in kubuntu or windows?  Just got it back from hp?
[01:57] <ibkanat> but it reads dvd data
[01:57] <ibkanat> weird
[01:57] <ign0ramus> you have libdvdcss installed?
[01:57] <ibkanat> yes
[01:57] <intelikey> heh   doesn't work in linux or windows     so it must be software related....      what's wrong with that logic ?
[01:57] <ign0ramus> intelikey: ha- didn't catch that part
[01:57] <intelikey> :)
[01:57] <dr_willis> You need the decss stuff. not just restricted drivers to play dvd.
[01:58] <ign0ramus> ibkanat: if it doesn't work in either OS, it's a hardware issue
[01:58] <ibkanat> thats what I would think but data not movies?
[01:58] <intelikey> maybe they didn't get the cable connected propperly    does "eject" work ?
[01:58] <ibkanat> makes me wonder if they didnt send me the decoder for windows
[01:58] <ign0ramus> ibkanat: a burned disc or a store-bought dvd?
[01:58] <ibkanat> eject is fine cds fine
[01:59] <ibkanat> store dvds
[01:59] <ign0ramus> ibkanat: you've tried more than one, i take it?
[01:59] <ibkanat> ones that worked fine and work fine on other drives
[01:59] <ibkanat> yes
[01:59] <ign0ramus> ibkanat: latest firmware for your drive (at least in windows)?
[02:00] <ibkanat> hmm yeah I guess that is the next thing to do
[02:00] <ibkanat> region code is set right
[02:00] <ibkanat> to 1
[02:00] <ign0ramus> ibkanat: if you can get it to work at least in windows, you can then say its a software problem
[02:00] <ibkanat> is there anything else I am missing.
[02:01] <ibkanat> thanks for your help will try in a bit, pizza calls
[02:01] <ibkanat> and guiness
[02:01] <intelikey> ign0ramus not to fast there,    drm works in windows   is that a software issue in linux ???
[02:01]  * ibkanat is away: Gone away for now.
[02:01] <ign0ramus> intelikey: true :P
[02:02]  * intelikey still want's a good use for the fritz chip
[02:03]  * ign0ramus had to wikipedia that one
[02:03] <intelikey> maybe hd encription or something that hardware could accelerate...
[02:03] <intelikey> ign0ramus fritz chip = locus of DRM
[02:04] <ign0ramus> intelikey: yeah- i had to look that one up
[02:04] <ign0ramus> intelikey: No OEMs actually use this, right?
[02:05] <intelikey> all new oem's
[02:05] <ign0ramus> intelikey: and it's tied to the optical drive?
[02:05] <intelikey> it's on the mobo
[02:05] <ign0ramus> ouch :/
[02:06] <intelikey> yeah.    where you been hidding ?
[02:06] <ign0ramus> intelikey: in linux
[02:06] <intelikey> :)
[02:06] <intelikey> touche
[02:06] <intelikey> !drm
[02:07] <ign0ramus> intelikey: i still have a small xp partition, but that's pretty much for syncing the phone, and troubleshooting friends and family's computer problems
[02:07]  * intelikey encodes ubottu into fritz chip
[02:07] <ign0ramus> see? even ubottu doesn't know about it!
[02:08] <intelikey> heh if i could do what i just wrote, ubottu would be aware of all i/o activity
[02:08] <ign0ramus> 'ubotto has become self-aware'
[02:08] <intelikey> ;/
[02:08] <ign0ramus> !HALsnack
[02:08] <intelikey> !ubottu
[02:09] <intelikey> you're right !
[02:11] <intelikey> sad fact is that most windows users (and thus drm users) don't know anything about it.
[02:16] <ign0ramus> intelikey: according to wikipedia, the fritz chip cannot run in the background on it's own- it must be activated by the user... ?
[02:18] <intelikey> ign0ramus or the os.    i.e. it is not an os of it's own running a vm or anything like that.
[02:19] <ign0ramus> intelikey: "the TPM chip cannot be enabled via software alone - a "physical presence request" operation is required, whereby a human sitting at the computer must acknowledge the request to activate the device via a prompt at BIOS level"
[02:20] <ign0ramus> intelikey: also interesting- TPM and Linux: the TPM chip cannot be enabled via software alone - a "physical presence request" operation is required, whereby a human sitting at the computer must acknowledge the request to activate the device via a prompt at BIOS level
[02:20] <ign0ramus> doh. :/
[02:20] <ign0ramus> http://lwn.net/Articles/144681/
[02:20] <dr_willis> i have to wonder about how thats even doable..  They are saying the user Must go into the bios screens and activate it?
[02:21] <ign0ramus> dr_willis: i dunno.  I had never even heard of the 'fritz chip' until 10 minutes ago
[02:21] <intelikey> pfft.  windows has been manipulating bios's for years
[02:22] <ign0ramus> intelikey: did you see the article i just posted?  a few linux keynote speakers are saying TPM can be good for linux.  that makes me a little uneasy...
[02:22] <intelikey> boot a vesta recovery disk and bang you can't boot from cd until you go back into bios and set it to boot cdrom first....
[02:23] <ign0ramus> intelikey: vista is the reason i primarily run Linux.  I actually enjoyed most of my time in XP, and still use it everyday at work
[02:23] <intelikey> xp is almost as "we own you"ish as vesta
[02:24] <ign0ramus> intelikey: not for what i need it to do... i get what you mean, but i never got that feeling
[02:24] <ign0ramus> not like i do with Vista, anyway
[02:27] <intelikey> yeah vesta is worse  but xp is there.   it started with 2k  really
[02:27] <intelikey> just been progressing
[02:28] <ign0ramus> intelikey: i agree.  i guess its like xp is america to me- where i came from, the language i know, and linux is some exotic location where everything is actually better, but I'm still not totally used to everything
[02:29] <ign0ramus> i've been using linux for less than 2 years
[02:29] <ign0ramus> xp since it came out (2002?)
[02:31] <intelikey> ign0ramus heh  i like the parable :)     to me linux is home now even though i'm new to it.   only been using linux for about 10 years, but i'm not really comfortable anywhere else.
[02:31] <ign0ramus> 10 years?
[02:31] <intelikey> yeah
[02:31] <ign0ramus> slackware? debian?
[02:32] <intelikey> redhat mandrake slackware debian ubuntu
[02:32] <intelikey> on dialup so gentoo seemed out of the question
[02:33] <ign0ramus> wow.  i tried debian and didn't 'get' it (it was my first experience with linux), then i tried fedora (didn't like it), and have been using Kubuntu for just over a year
[02:33] <ign0ramus> intelikey: there is no mandrake any more, is there?
[02:34] <intelikey> ign0ramus actually my first experance with a non-M$ system was a test run of "plan9"  heh you talk about "not getting it"  there went i.
[02:34] <intelikey> ign0ramus it's now mandriva  when the name changed i did too
[02:34] <ign0ramus> intelikey: another thing i've never even heard of - plan9
[02:35] <Darkrift2> hrmmmmm
[02:35] <intelikey> ign0ramus :)))
[02:35] <Darkrift2> for soem odd reason i dont think my dvd burner is recognized by kubuntu
[02:35] <intelikey> Darkrift2 why so ?      sudo lshw | less
[02:35] <Darkrift2> k3b shows it as a cd burner, and it isnt letting me burn an iso
[02:36] <intelikey> Darkrift2 that command will let you see what linux recognises in your box
[02:36] <avihayb> Is reading eddected Darkrift2
[02:36] <avihayb> ?
[02:36] <avihayb> effected
[02:36] <ign0ramus> affected.  ;)
[02:37] <avihayb> :-<
[02:37] <Darkrift2>              description: DVD-RAM writer             product: DVDRAM GSA-4084N
[02:37]  * intelikey elects to effect the affect of the edict
[02:37] <Darkrift2> so its detected but not letting me click the burn button
[02:37] <Darkrift2> trying to burn an iso to dvd using k3b
[02:37] <Darkrift2> says please insert blank cd-r media
[02:38] <dr_willis> it is a dvd-iso file or a cd iso file?
[02:38] <Darkrift2> i didnt knwo that mattered
[02:38] <Darkrift2> ive burnt 200mb iso's to dvd before
[02:38] <dr_willis> ive never managed to burn a cd.iso to a dvd befor. (and have them work) i did it once by mistake. :)
[02:39] <Darkrift2> hrmmmm
[02:39] <Darkrift2> well that sucks
[02:39] <Darkrift2> all i have is blank dvds and i need an xp cd :(
[02:39] <intelikey> Darkrift2 could also be group issue   are you in the cdrom group ?
[02:39] <Darkrift2> hrmmmm, good q
[02:39] <Darkrift2> yes
[02:39] <intelikey> command    groups
[02:39] <intelikey> k
[02:40] <ign0ramus> Darkrift2: in k3b, does it have your optical drive listed in the top left corner?
[02:40] <Darkrift2> yes, and says under it: empty dvd+r media
[02:40] <Darkrift2> medium*
[02:40] <intelikey> a medium media of course
[02:41] <Darkrift2> ahhhh
[02:41] <Darkrift2> figured it out
[02:41] <ign0ramus> Darkrift2: well...
[02:41] <intelikey> mounted
[02:41] <Darkrift2> the only "iso" option on front page was "cd rom iso"
[02:41] <Darkrift2> so i chose that..... but if i choose dvd rom iso
[02:41] <Darkrift2> it lets me click burn
[02:41] <ign0ramus> dr_willis just asked you about that XD
[02:42] <Darkrift2> no, you said in top left if it said my dvd drive
[02:42] <Darkrift2> which it did
[02:42] <intelikey> no body listens to dr_willis
[02:42] <Darkrift2> but the project was the wrong type
[02:42] <ign0ramus> Darkrift2: not what i asked, what dr_willis asked... doesn't matter.  it's fixed!
[02:42] <intelikey> something is odd about this convo.    four of us have the same liength nicknames ...
[02:42] <Darkrift2> LOL
[02:43] <Darkrift2> especially with xchat
[02:43]  * ign0ramus doesn't used fixed-width :(
[02:43] <ign0ramus> Darkrift2: [9:38PM] <dr_willis> it is a dvd-iso file or a cd iso file?
[02:47] <Darkrift2> i wish i could just throw kubuntu on her laptop
[02:47] <Darkrift2> i could make it look like xp and she might not know for a while.....
[02:47] <Darkrift2> but if some jackass tries to get her to install something, things would get complicated for her and she would call me up :(
[02:50] <ign0ramus> how do i get nickserv to send my password to my email?
[02:50] <intelikey> ign0ramus /msg nickserv help   should help with that
[02:52] <ign0ramus> intelikey: no luck... everything i've tried requires my current pw
[02:55] <ign0ramus> SENDPASS - "[Notice] -NickServ- You are not authorized to perform this operation"  WTF?
[02:55] <intelikey> ign0ramus idk.  /join #freenode    and ask an op
[02:56] <intelikey> i don't think they like my email address
[02:56] <intelikey> root@localhost  :)))
[02:56] <ign0ramus> ha
[02:59] <ign0ramus> intelikey: well, that was easy- an OP just sent it directly to me.  sweet!
[02:59] <dr_willis> :)
[03:00] <intelikey> heh that's what i would have done    maybe.
[03:01] <intelikey> of course if i spoofed your ip and ask the same question i could then easily hijack your nick...
[03:01] <ign0ramus> intelikey: i meant 'he sent it directly to my email'
[03:02] <intelikey> o ok.
[03:02] <ign0ramus> who would want my nick anyway?!? :P
[03:02] <ign0ramus> alright off to the bar. gnite all
[03:08] <DeoKanon> guys i want to repair my windows boot and i am thinking this code might help me
[03:08] <DeoKanon> WIN => MBR & !WIN!  :(((((((((((((((((
[03:08] <DeoKanon> where do i input it... i do have super grub disk
[03:08] <DeoKanon> or am i totally lost right now?
[03:11] <mr---t-> hi intellibob2
[03:12] <intelikey> mr---t- .
[03:12] <intelikey> DeoKanon i think you are totally lost right now
[03:13] <intelikey> DeoKanon use the windows facility to repair your mbr
[03:13] <mr---t-> Is there a channel for the 8.10 release?
[03:13] <intelikey> DeoKanon older versions    fdisk /mbr      newer versions   fixmbr
[03:14] <intelikey> mr---t- yeah   +1
[03:14] <intelikey> mr---t- #ubuntu+1
[03:15] <mr---t-> ok they sent me a link to test the new version but I can't make it boot
[03:16] <DeoKanon> lol... intelikey.. the guy who helped me yesterday... thanks... but...
[03:16] <DeoKanon> i cant use recovery console
[03:16] <DeoKanon> i must be doing something wrong
[03:16] <DeoKanon> i cant seem to boot from my winxp cd
[03:16] <intelikey> DeoKanon again may i sujest you ask in   ##windows
[03:17] <DeoKanon> in there right now
[03:18] <DeoKanon> getting help from wherever i can
[03:18] <intelikey> k well i can't   so good luck with it.
[03:18] <mr---t-> what happens when you start with the cd?
[03:20] <DeoKanon> okay what happens is that a black screen comes up wit hthe msg that grup is loading and then it just stops and a script shows that there is a stage 1.5 error 17
[03:20] <mr---t-> did you change your bios to boot from cd first
[03:20] <DeoKanon> yes
[03:21] <DeoKanon> and btw i formatted all linux partitions
[03:21] <intelikey> and it does that with the windows cd in ?
[03:21] <mr---t-> are you sure you have a good cd?
[03:22] <DeoKanon> it's a good cd, used it to install winxp... so now i only have windows installed on my laptop
[03:22] <master_> I noticed the KDE4 start menu doesn't update automatically after new software installation.  Is this a bug or intentional?
[03:22] <DeoKanon> yes once i put my cd in it just hangs at the error 17
[03:22] <DeoKanon> master.. are you talking about my situation? i am a total noob, i might now be able to answer you
[03:23] <intelikey> master_ neither.  it's just slow to update.   and some apps don't appear in kmenu unless you change the settings to show all
[03:23] <intelikey> DeoKanon no.  he's not addressing you.
[03:23] <DeoKanon> okay.. sorry... i tried super grub, ultimate boot cd, winxp even live cd nothing seems to work
[03:23] <master_> I prefer the old KDE start menu.. definitely.. but lots of other stuff to love in kde3
[03:23] <master_> kde4 i mean
[03:24] <intelikey> DeoKanon but it does boot the supergrub cd ok ?
[03:24] <intelikey> master_ also kde4 has it's own channel   #kubuntu-kde4
[03:24] <intelikey> just an fyi
[03:25] <master_> oh.. ok. great.
[03:25] <mr---t-> the windows cd should boot to install if enabled in bios grub is on the hd
[03:25] <DeoKanon> well, a light comes on likey telling me something is going on my HD but then nothing changes at the screen
[03:26] <intelikey> mr---t- yes but do notice that he also has a supergrub cd on hand.  you might want to test with that
[03:27]  * mr---t- grub error means hes getting to hd?
[03:27] <intelikey> mr---t- yes
[03:27] <mr---t-> ??
[03:27] <DeoKanon> well grub is trying to boot from a place that doesnt exist anymore
[03:27] <DeoKanon> or that's empty
[03:28] <intelikey> mr---t- he had linux + grub installed    wiped out linux without fixing his mbr first     just the history
[03:29] <mr---t-> if he's booting with a windows cd and the cd drive is listed a the first device he should never even get to grub
[03:30] <DeoKanon> i made cd rom as my first choice for booting
[03:30] <DeoKanon> in bios
[03:30] <mr---t-> try disabling the hd as a boot device in bios maybe, boot to the cd run fixboot
[03:31] <mr---t-> do you have data stuck in there?
[03:31] <intelikey> hey DeoKanon i just had a thought.  (as another option)   there used to be a boot loader called "bootit ng" free dl on the web,   with it one could fix the mbr and then windows should boot.     err but you still have to boot it somehow.      ;/
[03:32] <DeoKanon> i wonder why i cant boot
[03:32] <intelikey> DeoKanon test the disk in another box ?
[03:32] <intelikey> will it boot there ?
[03:33] <intelikey> and is it a bootable dvd in a cdrom drive    cause that don't work
[03:33] <intelikey> and if i think of anything else i'll but in again.
[03:33] <mr---t-> can you download to burn a cd on another box?
[03:33] <DeoKanon> brb
[03:33] <DeoKanon> i am going to try booting in antoher computer
[03:34]  * mr---t- would burn a copy of knoppix and run mc from that disk to fix it
[03:36] <DeoKanon> mc?
[03:36] <mr---t-> midnight commander
[03:37] <mr---t-> it's powerful
[03:37] <DeoKanon> ill check that one too
[03:37] <DeoKanon> brb
[03:37] <nejode> ...it's powerful but you can't fix your MBR with it
[03:38] <mr---t-> no but he can maybe see what's wrong
[03:39] <master_> How can I get the flash plugin for firefox 3?
[03:39] <mr---t-> intelikey: whats a 594?
[03:39] <mr---t-> 504^
[03:41] <intelikey> code
[03:42] <intelikey> :)
[03:42] <mr---t-> for what?
[03:42] <intelikey> i'm not sure   but Agent_bob would probably know  :)
[03:42] <mr---t-> pm me if you have to
[03:42] <Sixzero> Master, go to adobe.com
[03:43] <Sixzero> in Firefox and look up flash player
[03:43] <shadowhywind> hay all having a bit of a problem.. my ssh when i add the portnumber at the end i get Name or service not known
[03:46] <master_> dang it.. how can I get flash installed?
[03:46] <Sixzero> I just told you man, hold on and I'll post the link
[03:47] <master_> okok..
[03:47] <master_> thanks in advance
[03:47] <Sixzero> http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash
[03:47] <Sixzero> What are you running?
[03:47] <mr---t-> did they fix the problems with ff3?
[03:48] <Sixzero> Which ones?
[03:48] <mr---t-> I had to do something funky to get flash workin
[03:49] <Sixzero> I dunno, I didn't have any trouble after my kubuntu installs last week, so I'd assume they took care of it.
[03:49] <mr---t-> the download installer from adobe tried to use an old file name or such
[03:49] <mr---t-> if you install it manually i think it's fine
[03:49] <Sixzero> I had to install it last night to get on an electrical chat room and it seemed to work pretty well.
[03:50] <Sixzero> You still gotta manually install it.  The auto-install won't find the link.
[03:50] <intelikey> wow.   high yeld charge just went up some place near here.
[03:50] <mr---t-> did you use the installer from adobe?
[03:50] <Sixzero> Yeah.
[03:51] <mr---t-> then they must have fixed it
[03:52] <dr_willis> adobe seems good at breaking things
[03:52] <Sixzero> BTW, the tech who "supposedly" turned off my power and turned it back on...he's in some deep.  I guess instead of pulling the meter, he got lazy and just decided to put some rubber boots on the blades and stick it back in the socket, so when he came to reconnect, he changed the lockout tag, but never removed the rubber boots.
[03:52]  * DeoKanon is sorry he's taking a long time, he had to get another computer because he needs this one still on
[03:53] <Sixzero> So, mystery solved, mr---t-.
[03:54] <mr---t-> so it was weird
[03:55] <alec_> Hi there everybody!
[03:56] <alec_> Any one can helpme to share a printer in ubuntu?
[03:57] <jayjay> Could sone please tell me how to change GIMP from english to german language
[03:58] <Sixzero> I'd like to know the answer to this as well.  I just wiped my xp partition on my other comp to run kubuntu on as well.
[04:01] <intelikey> Sixzero "like to know the answer to"  generally implies a question   i dont see a question.
[04:02] <DeoKanon> maybe he has the same prob as me :')
[04:02] <intelikey> jayjay i18 "locales" packages for gimp
[04:02] <jayjay> or me :-P
[04:03] <intelikey> jayjay and that's a guess.
[04:03] <intelikey> !info gimp-help-de
[04:04] <intelikey> but i dont see an i18 for gimp   so hopefully changing kde to de will change gimp too ?
[04:04] <Sixzero> Oh, the same question alec_ has, about sharing a printer in kubuntu.
[04:05] <jayjay> Adept says its installed already
[04:05] <jayjay> ..but in the application everything is still english
[04:05] <DeoKanon> i think it's time i get a new computer
[04:05] <DeoKanon> nothing is working to get rid of my freaking grub error
[04:05] <intelikey> jayjay humm i dont know then.   maybe someone in #ubuntu knows   gimp is not a kde app
[04:06] <DeoKanon> not even that mc program someone suggested
[04:06] <mr---t-> !de maybe
[04:06] <mr---t-> !de
[04:06] <dunas> So how's 4.1.1?
[04:06] <intelikey> DeoKanon can you boot the supergrub cd in that computer ?
[04:06] <DeoKanon> tried...failed...Epically
[04:06] <jayjay> yea I know, its my first day /night with Kubuntu, used ubuntu before
[04:07] <dunas> Thinking about giving Kubuntu a try- Ubuntu always gives me... problems...- but I'm not 100% sure about KDE4.1.1 and I don't think it comes with any of the Live discs.
[04:07] <intelikey> DeoKanon does it load grub there or do you not get that far ?
[04:08] <intelikey> !kde4 | dunas the remix cd might have a test flight of kde4   idk.
[04:09] <DeoKanon> does not do anything... trying it again for the millionth time...
[04:09] <DeoKanon> opps something happened
[04:09] <DeoKanon> i mean oops
[04:10] <DeoKanon> but i am using another computer
[04:10] <DeoKanon> not the one wit hthe error on it
[04:10] <DeoKanon> so there's nothing wrong wit hthe cd
[04:10] <intelikey> ok do you have a grub prompt ?
[04:10] <DeoKanon> ye
[04:10] <intelikey> k
[04:10] <DeoKanon> it's asking me to install kubuntu
[04:10] <jayjay> Thanks folks, try tomorrow Godd night!
[04:10] <intelikey> and it doesn't do that in the borked box ?
[04:11] <DeoKanon> ye
[04:11] <DeoKanon> i mean no...
[04:11] <intelikey> k
[04:11] <DeoKanon> hard to answer that question... cd dosnt work in the laptop wit hthe formatted box
[04:11] <mn> what do I need to use flash stuff on kubuntu on FF3?
[04:12] <intelikey> jayjay i don't know what to tell you then.     if you can't get it to boot anything then....    ummm....   it's broke!      ;/
[04:12] <DeoKanon> NOOOOOOOOOO
[04:12] <intelikey> sorry not jayjay but DeoKanon
[04:12] <DeoKanon> wait jay jay?
[04:12] <DeoKanon> NOOOOOOOOO
[04:12] <DeoKanon> that's what i was scared of
[04:12]  * DeoKanon blows my brains out...Deo is dead
[04:13] <intelikey> !flash
[04:13] <DeoKanon> but i know for a fact that windows works
[04:13] <DeoKanon> i formatted linux in windows
[04:13] <DeoKanon> using diskmanager
[04:13] <intelikey> DeoKanon yes but you have to boot something.   floppy cd dvd hdd   ... something   to fix your mbr.
[04:14] <DeoKanon> so windows is wroking... the only problem i have is the grub trying to read something that doesnt exist
[04:14] <DeoKanon> damn it
[04:14] <DeoKanon> hold on
[04:15] <Sixzero> There's a few grub editors out there that act as boot discs that might be able to help.  Do you want me to look up the link where I found them>?
[04:15] <intelikey> Sixzero he can't boot anything
[04:15] <intelikey> like the cdrom drive is dead or something
[04:15] <Sixzero> ack...
[04:15] <Sixzero> sorry, i've been flipping between rooms.
[04:15] <intelikey> it's a lappy with one hd and a borked grub on that.
[04:16] <DeoKanon> ye
[04:16] <intelikey> DeoKanon can it boot a usb device ?    and do you have a flash stick ?
[04:16] <DeoKanon> so stupid... why did i format something without checking potential problems
[04:16] <DeoKanon> i have usb mp3
[04:16] <DeoKanon> player
[04:17] <DeoKanon> i could try
[04:17] <intelikey> hmmm i doubt we can use that with your lever of experteeze   ;/
[04:17] <DeoKanon> i tried plugging the mp3 in there and the computer detected it... i moved SGD files there but nothing happend
[04:18] <intelikey> i mean as a boot device   ^
[04:18]  * mr---t- wonders where is that lever?
[04:18] <MrAlks> so anybody can helpme to share a printer??
[04:18] <intelikey> MrAlks with ?
[04:18] <DeoKanon> hmmm... i dont know, i didnt even know i could boot from a usb flash
[04:19] <DeoKanon> drive
[04:19] <intelikey> !printer | MrAlks
[04:19] <intelikey> last two links MrAlks ^
[04:20] <DeoKanon> hey intelikey i just scanned my SGD with the feature that detects defects in cd and it found one error
[04:20] <DeoKanon> i burned the cd using power iso... low speed
[04:20] <MrAlks> Checking!
[04:20] <DeoKanon> do you know of common errors that might happen in those instance?
[04:21] <dunas> I was having trouble with Ubuntu, with the X server. Using Envy drivers, and an Acer P191w 1440x900, Nvidia GeForce 7100, but it insisted that it should default to 800x600, making me reset it every time I logged in.
[04:21] <intelikey> no i'm not familear with "power iso"   (intelikey doesn't do windows)
[04:22] <intelikey> dunas that's a common issue  check the wiki for it ?
[04:22] <intelikey> dunas i don't off hand know the fix   but i'm sure it's posted.
[04:23] <intelikey> hmmm that blast was several miles from here...
[04:30] <intelikey> DeoKanon as per being able to boot from .*  most modern laptops can boot from "usb net cd dvd and hdd" (most no longer have floppy drives)    but that's all dependant on your bios.
[04:31] <crazy_bus> I've got a logitech usb headset.  The volume buttons however only make the master volume go up and down.  This doesn't affect the usb headset however as it's got a different speaker volume slider in kmix.  How can I set the buttons to use that instead?
[04:38] <Sixzero> what's your question, dunas?
[04:41] <dr_willis> dunas,  ive noticed that issue being asked several times in the last few days..even seen it myself.. Not sure whats going on. Perhaps some update messed somthing up.
[04:42] <dr_willis> and i was even using a hand made xorg.conf file.    I need to boot my other nvidia machines and see if they have the same issue now.
[04:43] <Sixzero> Mine finally works under Kubuntu with driver version 169.12
[04:46] <intelikey> mr---t- heh yeah some times i wish i could say more.  but if i told you then i'd have to kill you.  and neither of us want that  :)))
[04:47] <shadowhywind> hay all having a pit of a problem with ssh, i do ssh 192.168.2.78 -p#### i get ssh:connect to host 192.168.2.78 -p#### port 22: connection refused
[04:47] <mr---t-> I'm ready
[04:48] <mr---t-> got myylist of questions for yashua
[04:49]  * mr---t- thinks he closed a pm you were sending
[04:49] <shadowhywind> ?
[04:49] <dr_willis> Hmm... someone in #ubuntu is saying they deleted the 'root' account with userdel... is that even possible?
[04:50] <shadowhywind> dr_willis: i would think it wouldn't allow him to delete the account that was issueing the command
[04:51] <dr_willis> Im Thinking  he may be a bit confused..  even if one deleted the /root directory the root account still exists wouldent it? Unless it also removed the root entry in passwd? that dont make sence however...
[04:51] <dr_willis> the whole question dosent make sence.. but i cant get  any clearer explination.
[04:51] <intelikey> dr_willis in theory   if there is no safty check on that
[04:52] <intelikey> i mean i have one box with no root account
[04:52] <dr_willis> Im just trying to think what userdel on root, would actually delete. /root/  and the entrys in passwd files and groups. but anyting else?
[04:53] <dr_willis> one of those things ive never dared to actually try. :)
[04:53] <dr_willis> its amazing the problems new users manage to do to theirselfs.
[04:53] <shadowhywind> hehe, try on a live cd?
[04:53] <intelikey> dr_willis without switches it wont even get the dir /root     but yes entry in shadow and passwd
[04:54] <dr_willis> hmm.. ubuntu does have a entry for root in those files.. even tho direct liogging in as root is disabled.. that makes a little more sence now.
[04:54] <intelikey> dr_willis oh i have a little black book full of "never do this"'s for linux  :)
[04:54] <dr_willis> but would that break the first users 'sudo' rights?  whichis what he also said happened.
[04:54] <intelikey> dirrect logging in is disabled by locking the password   not by removing the account
[04:55] <dr_willis> Right. So hes removed the account it seems. :)
[04:55] <dr_willis> he could boot live cd, chroot in, adduser root  ?
[04:55] <intelikey> that will break all users sudo rights
[04:55] <dr_willis> heh.. that seems a weird fix.. and may not work right
[04:56] <intelikey> i don't think chroot as root will work if there is not root account there...   i could be wrong tho
[04:56] <dr_willis> plus the UID would be wrong..
[04:56] <dr_willis> 'somthing to try on a linux system befor you reformat'  howto list.
[04:56] <intelikey> you can specify uid   but the real fix is much more simple.
[04:57] <intelikey> boot a live cd   mount the system on /mnt and      cp /mnt/etc/passwd~ /mnt/etc/passwd
[04:57] <intelikey> same with shadow and your done
[04:57] <SkEmO> how can i make a partition on kubuntu? gparted?
[04:57] <dr_willis> SkEmO,  i tend to use gparted live cd to do partitioning work.
[04:57] <intelikey> SkEmO click on the empth space and select new
[04:58]  * intelikey tends to use cfdisk
[04:58] <SkEmO> but, can i make a partition and then run the live cd?
[04:58] <intelikey> you can  if you have a place to put the new partition
[04:59] <SkEmO> well i only have 1 drive now, so, i wanna make it 2
[04:59] <SkEmO> 1 for linux and 1 for windows
[04:59]  * intelikey doesn't use the bloody things any more anyway
[04:59] <dr_willis> You resize the existing partition, to free up space to make a new partition.
[05:00] <dr_willis> I thoght the installer could do this automatically
[05:00] <SkEmO> yup
[05:00] <dr_willis> backup imporntant stuff, defrag/scandisk, let installer resize.. is the easy way
[05:00] <SkEmO> yes, but that will delete the existent files to make the partition
[05:00] <intelikey> use a chopping ax or a cutting toarch  and make two drives out of the one drive ???
[05:01] <intelikey> errr no that would be making two peaces of a drive....
[05:01] <intelikey> i don't think you can make two drives out of one drive without some new hardware added
[05:01] <dr_willis> intelikey,  you are confuseing him even more. :)
[05:02] <SkEmO> well this pc had originally 2 drives
[05:02] <intelikey> ok ok...    drive != partition
[05:02] <dr_willis> SkEmO,  windows uses the term 'drive' to mean what we call 'filesystem'
[05:02] <SkEmO> after forced formatting i only got one
[05:02] <dr_willis> You can have one harddrive - divided into several filesystems.  which windows would call C: D: and so on..  windows missnames tehm as being drives..
[05:03] <dr_willis> C: and D: are partitions/filesystems  ON the hard drive.
[05:03] <intelikey> and i wasn't really confusing him.  he was confused, i was just bringing it to light.
[05:03] <dr_willis> I try to use the term 'hard drive' :)
[05:03] <intelikey> in an intelikey sort of way.   &
[05:03] <dr_willis> and i confuse the window users at work when i mentoon the C: partition.
[05:03]  * mr---t- they actually call them volumes
[05:03] <SkEmO> well i mean, create a partition on one hard drive to make 2 filesystems
[05:04] <dr_willis> volumes.. thats SO much clearer. :) :)
[05:04] <mr---t-> lol
[05:04] <dr_willis> what does sound volume have to do with the drives!
[05:04] <dr_willis> :)
[05:04] <intelikey> SkEmO correct   and yes the kubuntu installer program (ubiquity) can do that
[05:04] <dr_willis> SkEmO,  gparted can easially do that.. the installer can do that.
[05:04] <mr---t->  :-) didn't sat I liked it
[05:04] <dunas> Back, had to deal with some things. The X server is what's really keeping me off Kubuntu right now, I think.
[05:04] <mr---t-> say^
[05:05] <intelikey> SkEmO ubiquity uses gparted for it's partitioning work.
[05:05] <dr_willis> mr---t-,  and i saw somthng else..  like.. soft links, are called 'unions' under windows terms? where did i see that..
[05:05] <SkEmO> well i have ubuntu, well kubuntu and i want to install windows
[05:05] <alistair> What settings file are file associations stored under pse?
[05:05] <mr---t-> hey I have to make a living with the m$ crap
[05:06] <dr_willis> SkEmO,  its 'best' to have windows installed first, then linux, on the 2nd partition of the drive. Windoes can get cranky if its not first. :)
[05:06] <SkEmO> dr_willis:  i Agrajag`
[05:06] <SkEmO> agree*
[05:06] <intelikey> alistair konqueror's menu  configure konqueror    file manager tab
[05:06] <SkEmO> ok, lets try
[05:06] <SkEmO> brb
[05:07] <mr---t-> can't get an answer in +1
[05:08] <intelikey> alistair if you can use that.  if it has to be external access i'm not sure what file in ~/.kde/share/configs/ holds that info  but the main meta data is probably in /usr/share/apps/kde    not sure  i never looked for it.
[05:08] <SkEmO> uhm
[05:08] <SkEmO> doesent let me create a new partition
[05:09] <alistair> intelikey, brilliant just fixed some errant entries i had put in using that info. Its very odd you cant fix in system settings that should be a bug
[05:09] <SkEmO> the "new" command cant be selected
[05:10] <mr---t-> SkEmO: are you tring to create the part in windoz
[05:10] <SkEmO> stupid me, can make a partition while running the volume duh
[05:10] <intelikey> alistair well not really   it's konqueror specific so that's where the settings should be.   and i think you can get there through kcontrol  if you look closely
[05:10] <SkEmO> mr---t-:  no, on kubuntu
[05:10] <intelikey> but i do confess that i don't use kde much
[05:11] <SkEmO> anyway, i must restart to use the live cd
[05:11] <SkEmO> brb
[05:14] <alistair> intelikey, what Im saying is the settings relate to a  system wide event and as such one would expect to be able to change within system settings which you cant. thanks vm for the info I would never have thought of that!
[05:18] <intelikey> file assocations apply system wide ?    as per not in konqueror ???
[05:18] <intelikey> what do i not understand about that ?
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[05:21] <haru> need help!! how to setting c/python invironment??
[05:22] <haru> there have some python programer or c programer??
[05:23] <intelikey> #python and #C++   or wait here a little while one might stumble through
[05:24] <corigo> Quick Tutorial: how to remote across my LAN to my other machine and copy files/
[05:24] <intelikey> !ssh
[05:25] <dr_willis> ssh and winscp (if using windows) is fairly easy to get going. :)
[05:26] <corigo> ssh is a protocal, how about an Application?
[05:26] <DarkShinigami> Is there a fix for Kaffeine's message for not being able to play a DVD? I have libdvdcss2 installed and current.
[05:27] <DarkShinigami> corigo: VNC?
[05:27] <corigo> No Windoze... Kubuntu Laptop and Ubuntu Desktop
[05:27] <intelikey> ssh is alos a linux command
[05:27] <corigo> I'm not comman lining around this many files
[05:28] <DarkShinigami> If you want a "gui", you can use Krdc and Krfb
[05:28]  * DarkShinigami loves using SSH with the 2 laptops and 1 desktop here at home.
[05:29] <intelikey> corigo konqueror uses the ssh protocol too    fish://hostname
[05:30] <corigo> intelikey: Could not connect using fish and IP#
[05:31] <intelikey> no ssh server running there ?
[05:32] <corigo> You all understand that Windoze machines automatically network into a workgroup that can be browsed easily from the file browser, and the Apple has had this ability for 20 years now out of the box in AppleTalk. Is there no default way to see these two machines on a LAN without downloading a bunch of other applications?
[05:33] <corigo> intelikey: of course not, unless that is available by default
[05:33] <intelikey> corigo not trying to sound obtuse, but ssh is your friend,  if you don't take the time to learn it  (and it doesn't take long) you will always be doing things the hard way.
[05:33] <DarkShinigami> corigo: Linux has been doing it for a much longer time than Windows and Apple. It's *very* simple to install ssh if you don't alreay have it.
[05:33] <intelikey> !samba | corigo
[05:34] <intelikey> but all you need is a ssh server on each box and you have complete continuity
[05:34] <corigo> ubottu: silly robot Windows are not for you
[05:35] <DarkShinigami> !botsnack
[05:36] <intelikey> !info sshfs
[05:36] <corigo> DarkShinigami: Linux hasn't been doing it longer than Apple, Apple was doing it before there was a Linux. And installing anything on Linux is not simple. Just figuring out which Samba protocols need to be installed is like duck shooting in the dark. so you're all telling me that Ubuntu/Kubuntu out of the box has no way to share files over a private LAN?
[05:37] <corigo> intelikey: samba server?
[05:37] <corigo> I have to run a server?
[05:38] <intelikey> corigo if you want windows to natively piddle around in linux you have to run a samba server   if you want any box to access any other box there has to be some server on the target or the host can't access it
[05:39] <Sixzero> !botsnack
[05:39] <Sixzero> lol
[05:39] <intelikey> maybe you don't define server the same as we do
[05:39] <corigo> intelikey: there are no Windoze involved. This is a Linux forum. Why does everybody keep talking about windows?
[05:39] <corigo> Kubuntu Laptop -> Ubuntu Desktop... I need to copy files from one to the other
[05:39] <intelikey> corigo then use ssh
[05:40] <corigo> HOW?
[05:40] <intelikey> corigo just install  ssh on each box        sudo apt-get install ssh
[05:41] <intelikey> and then you can "scp" copy files  "ssh" remote login  "fish" copy files via konqueror    and even "me" remote admin the other box
[05:41] <dr_willis> Linux to linux transfers.. scp - easy to do. :)
[05:42] <corigo> tutuorials are ... where?
[05:42] <dr_willis> sshfs is also handy
[05:42] <dr_willis> !sshfs
[05:42] <dr_willis> theres a sshfs ubuntu wiki page.
[05:42] <dr_willis> or check out one of the 1000s of 'scp' 'ssh' tutorial pages out.
[05:42] <intelikey> yeah but sshfs is over kill for what he's doing
[05:42] <dr_willis> I always have to look one up to rember the proper syntax. i always leave out a : or @
[05:42] <Sixzero> !kubuntu
[05:43] <dr_willis> http://www.scribd.com/doc/3604/openssh-Quick-Ref
[05:43] <dr_willis> handy quick ref sheet to print out :)
[05:43] <scrote> hi
[05:43] <DarkShinigami> After ssh, I have used fish and turned a laptop into a Public File Server for music I want to hear at work.
[05:43] <intelikey> dr_willis heh.   scp root@localhost:/dev/mem .    here's you some more memory  :)))
[05:43] <scrote> nano question, how do i display the line number the cursor is on ?
[05:44] <corigo> Thanks
[05:45] <DarkShinigami> dr_willis: Great ref. How can I download it?
[05:45] <intelikey> wget
[05:46] <dr_willis> DarkShinigami,  use the buttons :) that site is a bit cojnfusing.. took me a few min to find the PRINT optionunder one of the tabs
[05:46] <intelikey> wget http://www.scribd.com/doc/3604/openssh-Quick-Ref
[05:46] <dr_willis> ipaper -> print is what i just did. :)
[05:47] <corigo> Another question... If I disabled the application that automatically checks for updates, how can I re-enable it?
[05:47]  * intelikey seldom powers the monitor on more than one box any more.
[05:47] <DarkShinigami> I don't get it. I click on Download and it does nothing. Is this a Firefox issue or just me?
[05:48] <dr_willis> I think the site wants you to register to download
[05:48] <intelikey> corigo permanant reenable or just  a one time check ?    sudo apt-get update ;sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  <<< one timer
[05:48] <dr_willis> try wget http://www.scribd.com/doc/3604/openssh-Quick-Ref ?
[05:49] <haru> or try axel
[05:50] <mr---t-> nite all
[05:52] <intelikey> mr---t- rest well
[05:52] <mr---t-> shalom
[05:52] <scrote> nano question, how do i display the line number the cursor is on ?
[05:53] <dr_willis> scrote,  check the nano man pages..  it may not be possible
[05:54] <intelikey> i didn't see anything in the rc file about it
[05:55] <intelikey> and /etc/nanorc is not small by rc standards
[05:59] <anom01y> hey guys
[05:59] <anom01y> Im Back with the same problem we where trying to figure out earlier regarding alsa
[06:00] <intelikey> not sure you'll get anyone in there but you might try  #alsa   the official channel      this one is about to dry up and blow away... and i'm went.
[06:01] <intelikey> tov yom !
[06:15] <anom01y> !xfce
[06:19] <anom01y> why is it that when I run alsa force-reload, and then kmix, I get different mixer settings every time
[06:24] <erikja> !hamradio
[06:26]  * dr_willis is a Tech-Nocode. :P
[06:46] <anom01y> why is it that when I run alsa force-reload, and then kmix, I get different mixer settings every time
[06:57] <SkEmO> windows installation:failure
[06:57] <anom01y> computers are soooooooo needy
[06:58] <SkEmO> o.o
[06:58] <anom01y> you have to put love into them
[06:58] <SkEmO> xD
[06:58] <SkEmO> i like to smack them
[06:59] <anom01y> yeah no kidden, I see some of those vids on youtube
[06:59] <anom01y> kickin the livin shit out of their box
[06:59] <anom01y> fuck em
[06:59] <anom01y> I'd like to install a vagina drive in my computer
[07:00] <SkEmO> wahahaha
[07:00] <stdin> !language | anom01y
[07:27] <K`zan> Hi folks, just installed apache2 and it apparently sees the server root, but doesn't see users public_html.  Worked when I installed it under the old 7.04 but under 8.?? there seems to be a problem.  Any suggestions appreciated!
[07:32] <K`zan> Heh, never mind, google was actually my friend for once :-).  Thanks anyhoo.
[07:35] <baudthief> any recommended apps to rip a DVD to an ISO?
[07:35] <baudthief> not necessarily video, just a data DVD
[07:36] <Lynoure> I think K3b should be able to do that...
[07:36] <baudthief> Nope :p
[07:37] <baudthief> only has the option to "rip video dvd"
[07:37] <baudthief> nothing to dump a CD or DVD to ISO
[07:38] <posingaspopular> why would you want to rip a data cd as an iso anyway
[07:39] <baudthief> posingaspopular: convenient / portable reburning, instead of riping contents, creating a new data disc, dropping files/folders - just burn the ISO
[07:40] <baudthief> wait, K3B can do it, its just "hidden" heh
[07:41] <baudthief> need to go to "Copy DVD" then add an image file, then cancel before it asks you to insert a blank media
[07:54] <dr_willis> dd if=/dev/dvd of=/dvdfile.iso
[07:54] <dr_willis> :)
[07:55] <mrthao> hi every body
[07:55] <abby87> mrthao: hello
[08:05] <posingaspopular> dtp :p
[08:05] <disturbthepeace> hey :)
[08:06] <disturbthepeace> finally i found a stable OS for my ICH8M laptop! :) now im a happy chappy!
[08:08] <disturbthepeace> bbs
[08:09] <ubsafder> i made an upgrade  firfox lost all my bookmark  and the go back button is always disabled
[08:48] <ockonal> hi
[08:50] <ockonal> Can u help me with ati-drivers install?
[08:52] <favro> !ati | ockonal here's a good howto
[08:53] <dr_willis> followd/read the !ati stuff yet?
[08:53] <ockonal> Thanks, i'll see it
[08:53] <ockonal> i have installed drivers, but after rebooting i saw only desktop
[08:53] <ockonal> without plasma etc.
[08:54] <ockonal> than i changed in xorg.conf Driver "vesa"
[08:54] <favro> ockonal: try the howto - there might be a step that is missed?
[08:55] <ockonal> favro: i have kubuntu, does it chnage anything?
[08:55] <dr_willis> Not really.  perhaps the location in the menus, or some program names
[08:56] <favro> ockonal: only the name tec like dr_willis says
[08:56] <anna__> who lives in aystrlia,nsw,syd?
[08:56] <favro> *etc even...
[08:56] <ockonal> favro: ok, thanks
[08:57] <ockonal> #lspci | grep VGA
[08:57] <ockonal> 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV630 [Radeon HD 2600 Series]
[08:57] <ockonal> if you need this
[09:08] <ockonal> favro: is it true way? :
[09:08] <ockonal> Enable accelerated the accelerated ATI graphics driver in the restricted-manager, then do:
[09:08] <ockonal> sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`
[09:08] <ockonal> sudo insmod /lib/modules/`uname -r`/volatile/fglrx.ko
[09:11] <dr_willis> You may want to read all the docs.. not all are needed in all cases.
[09:11] <dr_willis> I normally just need to install the fglrx package i need.. and reboot.
[09:11] <ockonal> i did it
[09:11] <favro> ockonal: seems ok but no promises :)
[09:11] <ockonal> :)
[09:11] <favro> ockonal: well done :)
[09:11] <ockonal> But after rebooting i had crash
[09:12] <ockonal> and i saw only desktop
[09:13] <favro> ockonal: is fglrx listed in /etc/modules?
[09:13] <ockonal> nano /etc/modules?
[09:14] <favro> yep
[09:14] <dr_willis> If you saw the desktop.. then the drivers seem to be working.. perhaps its some other issue going on...
[09:14] <ockonal> fuse lp rtc
[09:14] <dr_willis> Youmight want to install some other window manager like 'icewm' and see if you can login using it as your desktop
[09:15] <ockonal> dr_willis: after chrashes i change in xorg.conf Driver "vesa"
[09:15] <ockonal> it works
[09:15] <ockonal> but i can't change any configs
[09:15] <ockonal> when i did it, i had 16-bits colors
[09:15] <dr_willis> thats weird.
[09:16] <nighty_> Hi
[09:17] <dr_willis> !hi
[09:18] <nighty_> I installed Kubuntu (Kde 4.1.1) on my removable Harddisk. I want it to use on diffrent PCs, is it possible to install nvidia and ati drivers for both cases?
[09:18] <nighty_> with opengl support
[09:18] <ockonal> blizzz: >ockonal: is fglrx listed in /etc/modules? - no
[09:18] <blizzz> ockonal: ?
[09:19] <ockonal> blizzz: sorry, not for you
[09:19] <blizzz> np
[09:20] <HollowPoint> nighty I think that's going to be a trial and error situation
[09:20] <favro> ockonal: try adding it and rebooting
[09:21] <ockonal> ok
[09:21] <ockonal> favro: i'll try to do it
[09:21] <HollowPoint> By default it will of course detect new hardware on boot up and it will install whatever appropriate drivers it has available, but you'll most likely have to write an xorg.conf for each situation, then switch to the appropriate one on different machines and install the appropriate drivers
[09:22] <nighty_> HollowPoint: that was my problem, maybe i need not to start kdm by default
[09:25] <HollowPoint> yeah that would work, or you could just boot up as normal, then while the splash screen is loading switch to VTY5, then login via console, install what you need to, then startx or reboot and allow kdm to start
[09:26] <__oggy> i'm having problems with keyboard shortcuts in compiz, i was monkeying around enabling/disabling compiz and now my "show main menu" and "run command" shortcuts don't work (alt+f1/f2)
[09:27] <__oggy> the rest of them work fine... anyone have any idea what could be going on?
[09:29] <HollowPoint> Compiz although much better than it used to be is still pretty buggy __oggy, I hate to suggest the Windows fix but have you tried a reboot?
[09:29] <ockonal> i did it
[09:29] <__oggy> hollowpoint: yes :D
[09:29] <ockonal> __oggy: ?
[09:29] <__oggy> i mean, yes i tried, but it doesn't work...
[09:30] <__oggy> ockonal: i was responding to hollowpoint
[09:30] <__oggy> tried running it from the terminal with --replace, still no cigar :(
[09:30] <ockonal> favro: i had crash again
[09:31] <Wicked> whats the best way to install kde4 onto kubuntu?
[09:31] <nighty_> HollowPoint: i keep this in my mind but i am looking for a better sollution so far.
[09:31] <Wicked> !kde4
[09:31] <favro> ockonal: did you change xorg.conf back?
[09:31] <ockonal> favro: no
[09:31] <ockonal> i start plasma from console
[09:31] <ngirard> Hi all, I need to convert 6 mpeg movies into avi with the 2 following constraints: (1) once converted the 6 avi files should fit 1 dvd ; and (2) I need to do this at the command-line because i'll be accessing my friend's machine (kubuntu 8.04) remotely via ssh. Any ideas ?
[09:31] <ockonal> and it works
[09:31] <HollowPoint> I doubt you'll find one nighty, Linux is much better at transitioning from one PC to another than Windows but it still has issues, especially if you're using proprietary graphics drivers
[09:32] <favro> ockonal: it still uses vesa/
[09:32] <ockonal> favro: ? Now in Hardware drivers manager i have checked box at video card
[09:33] <favro> ockonal: and with fglrx loaded at boot it it might work :)
[09:33] <ockonal> favro: :) Now i changed my resolution to need
[09:34] <favro> ockonal: :)
[09:34] <ockonal> favro: but i still have one question: will i do it every loading?
[09:34] <ockonal> favro: start plasma from the console
[09:34] <favro> ockonal: it should - reboot to try/
[09:34] <HollowPoint> ngirard have you thought about getting him to stop his X display, then SSHing to his machine via putty with X forwarding working and running startx from the terminal?
[09:34] <ockonal> i'm shure, that i'll have the same
[09:35] <ngirard> HollowPoint: unfortunately there's not enough bandwidth
[09:35] <HollowPoint> __oggy sorry but not sure then, I did used to use Compiz but I got a bit fed up of it not being consistant enough on my machine
[09:35] <HollowPoint> how about vnc then ngirard?
[09:35] <HollowPoint> or kfrb?
[09:35] <ockonal> favro: so, now i must reboot, and test it again>
[09:36] <HollowPoint> sorry krfb*
[09:36] <__oggy> hollowpoint: tell me about it :( thanks anyways
[09:36] <favro> ockonal: either reboot now or later :)
[09:36] <ockonal> ^_^
[09:36] <HollowPoint> np __oggy, I take it when you said you tried from the command line you meant compiz --replace?
[09:36] <HollowPoint> and not emerald --replace
[09:36] <ockonal> and if i still have to start plasma from console? What  i may to do?
[09:37] <favro> !autostart
[09:37] <dr_willis> mixxing kde4 and compiz ? Brave!
[09:37] <dr_willis> :)
[09:37] <__oggy> hollowpoing: yes, compiz --replace.... haven't tried replacing emerald as well, i gather it only does decorations?
[09:37] <HollowPoint> sort of, do you have the compiz control manger in the tray?
[09:37] <dr_willis> __oggy,  correct.
[09:38] <__oggy> in tray? no, i don't have one
[09:38] <HollowPoint> I forget the name of it now it's been a while. Other than that __oggy I think there is a channel for it at #compiz-fusion ?
[09:38] <dr_willis> !compiz
[09:38] <favro> !autostart > ockonal
[09:39] <ockonal> ubottu: ?
[09:39] <__oggy> hollowpoint: i believe you're thinking of ccm, that's where i'm try to set up my shortcuts, but...
[09:39] <ockonal> favro: ? it'll help me?
[09:39] <__oggy> thanks for the channel suggestion, gonna try there...
[09:39] <dr_willis> !ccsm
[09:39] <HollowPoint> ok
[09:40] <__oggy> dr_willis: right, ccsm it is
[09:40] <favro> ockonal: it will let you start plasma after login automatically
[09:40] <ockonal> ubottu: thank
[09:40] <ockonal> ubottu: thanks ))
[09:41] <ockonal> favro: ok ^_^ And the last, if you have a few time?
[09:41] <favro> heh :) sure
[09:41] <dr_willis> This sounds like a Frankenstein-Desktop. :)
[09:41] <ockonal> can you tell me again, how to test driver works?
[09:42] <ockonal> favro: for example, is it really works now?>
[09:43] <HollowPoint> I really don't get along with KDE4, I'm hoping they keep KDE3.x.x running for a while yet, otherwise I'll be forced to Gnome :(
[09:43] <favro> ockonal: I'm along way away and can't see :) - if the driver gets loaded and xorg.conf asks for it it should work - the steps we did seem ok
[09:45] <ockonal> favro: ok, and the last :) Now i have 1024x768 resolution, but i think, that windows-size too big, that it was in Windows with the same resolution
[09:46] <favro> ockonal: try in konsole   xrandr -s 1280x1024   or the size you want :)
[09:49] <ockonal> favro: thanks, it better
[09:49] <ockonal> favro: but how can i save all this settings?
[09:50] <favro> ockonal: they "should" be saved - if not you'll have to write an xorg.conf file
[09:50] <favro> ask here about it :)
[09:50] <ockonal> favro: :)
[09:51] <ockonal> favro: thanks you very much! I'll try to reboot ))
[09:51] <favro> good luck :)
[09:51] <favro> ockonal: ^^
[09:51] <ockonal> favro: :)
[09:52] <luca> ciao a tutti
[09:53] <favro> !it | luca
[09:56] <luca> hello
[09:56] <SkEmO> which would be the best torrent client in kubuntu?
[09:57] <ockonal> favro: after rebooting all my configuration had not save
[09:57] <favro> ockonal: k one min
[09:57] <ockonal> favro: i'm ever couldn't to start plasma from console
[09:58] <HollowPoint> SkEmO google for azureus, don't install the one from the repos it's an older version, download the .deb from their site (I'm sure there is one from memory) and install that, nothing better in the torrent world
[09:59] <SkEmO> uhm
[09:59] <SkEmO> i was told ktorrent just like 1 minute ago xD
[10:00] <HollowPoint> yeah that's an OK program thats installed in Kubuntu by default
[10:00] <HollowPoint> so if you want an easy to use, already installed program use that
[10:00] <HollowPoint> if you want something better use Azureus
[10:00] <Darkrift2> ktorrent is almost as good as utorrent
[10:00] <SkEmO> i'll try them both
[10:00] <Darkrift2> few things missing, but I like it
[10:00] <SkEmO> hehe well nothing beats utorrent
[10:00] <HollowPoint> and Azureus is better than Utorreny Darkrift2
[10:01] <Darkrift2> the option to download files with priority doesnt work, but most other features work fine
[10:01] <HollowPoint> Utorrent installs in Kubuntu real easy with Wine anyway
[10:01] <Darkrift2> azureus is a memory hog
[10:01] <HollowPoint> I used to use Utorrent all the time, both Windows and Linux, then I found Azureus and have never looked back
[10:01] <zipper> HollowPoint: if you by "better" mean "crash all the time, and generally run slow" then yeah
[10:01] <Darkrift2> might as well use IE as a browser while your at it
[10:01] <SkEmO> lol
[10:01] <HollowPoint> zipper, I've never had it crash on me, never had KTorrent crash on me either though
[10:02] <Darkrift2> utorrent is a great windows torrent client, and ktorrent is as close to its linux counterpart as ive seen
[10:02] <Darkrift2> and ive tried lots
[10:02] <HollowPoint> Didn't like Ktorrent much tbh it bored me and wasn't configurable enough
[10:03] <HollowPoint> granted Azureus is a little more bloated than I like but it works incredibly well and is VERY configurable so for me it wins every time
[10:03] <Darkrift2> only thing that bothers me is the "download first" "download last" feature doesnt work
[10:03] <HollowPoint> yeah that too
[10:03] <favro> !paste
[10:04] <favro> !paste
[10:04] <ockonal> favro: ?
[10:05] <SkEmO> argh, i must go to sleep
[10:05] <favro> ockonal: http://paste.ubuntu.com/44140/ - a basic xorg.conf to get you started
[10:05] <SkEmO> have a good night, time to crash here ;), bytes!
[10:05] <favro> ockonal: back up the xorg.conf you have now and copy the pasted one
[10:06] <ockonal> ok, thanks. And what i'll get with that xorg.conf?
[10:07] <ockonal> favro: >The Paste you are looking for does not currently exist.
[10:08] <favro> ockonal: I get there with http://paste.ubuntu.com/44140/
[10:10] <Assurbanipal> hi everyone!can someone plz guide me installing my hp printe?
[10:10] <ockonal> favro: ok, now i have to replace my xorg.conf by yours, and reboot?
[10:11] <favro> ockonal: yep - do you know how to backup files etc?
[10:11] <ockonal> yes))) sudo cp ... ... ^_^
[10:12] <favro> :)
[10:12] <HollowPoint> Assurbanipal have you tried the HP Printing tools in your control centre?
[10:12] <Assurbanipal> HollowPoint, i keep trying but doesnt work ..
[10:13] <HollowPoint> have you googled your model of printer to verify it can be installed?
[10:13] <HollowPoint> some models are renowned for not working in Linux, unfortunately although Linux installs the hardware it's capable of far better than Windows does it still cannot install some at all
[10:14] <Assurbanipal> holl
[10:14] <Assurbanipal> HollowPoint, it's an hp photosmart 7450
[10:19] <HollowPoint> Assurbanipal: Allegedly it is supported by HPLIP in Kubuntu 8.04 and has a graphical installer within that program
[10:19] <vadrao> Hi all, I have just uninstalled compiz and my kde window borders are gone. I could replace it with "kwin --replace". But this reverts back after rebooting. I would like to make this solution permanaent. Any suggestions ?
[10:19] <HollowPoint> are you getting a specific error Assurbanipal?
[10:19] <Assurbanipal> HollowPoint, i connect the printer and start hp tool...but doesnt work...will go through it once again and tell u
[10:20] <HollowPoint> okidoke
[10:20] <HollowPoint> you're trying to install it with USB connection right? Not parallel or network etc?
[10:21] <Assurbanipal> yep,it's usb
[10:22] <vadrao> can any one help me please
[10:23] <HollowPoint> whats the problem vadrao?
[10:24] <vadrao> I have just uninstalled compiz and my kde window borders are gone. I could replace it with "kwin --replace". But this reverts back after rebooting. I would like to make this solution permanaent. Any suggestions ?
[10:24] <Assurbanipal> HollowPoint, when i connect the usb i get this message"newprinter connected" abd then "printer ready to use" and have a printer icon on my task bar
[10:24] <ockonal> fale: :(
[10:24] <HollowPoint> vadrao have you done kwin --replace & or kwin --replace
[10:24] <dr_willis> Yep. threes a bug/issue if you remove compiz. It dosent set/remove some setting/script I recall vadrao
[10:25] <dr_willis> reinstall compiz, and just disable it.. or check the forums for the fix.  I recall there being some  script in /etc/ that needed to get removed/changed.
[10:25] <HollowPoint> but you can't print to it Assurbanipal?
[10:25] <Assurbanipal> HollowPoint, no i open hp device manager and it sees the printer.i will try printing the test page right?
[10:25] <HollowPoint> I'd say re-installing compiz, then running kwin --replace &, then reboot and uninstall compiz if kwin is controlling everything will put it back to normal
[10:26] <HollowPoint> yup go for it Assurbanipal
[10:26] <ockonal> fale: i took my xorg.conf from backUp
[10:26] <dr_willis> I wouldent bother uninstalling compiz. :)
[10:26] <Assurbanipal> HollowPoint, but it says photosmart 7400 and the printer is 7450.is it ok?
[10:26] <HollowPoint> I would since he already has he obviously doesn't want it
[10:26] <vadrao> HollowPoint@ Thanks for the suggestions I will give it a try..
[10:26] <vadrao> and let you know
[10:26] <HollowPoint> 7400 is the series Assurbanipal so yes I'd say that was fine
[10:26] <vadrao> I thought ther would be some script that I can possibly edit where in I can replace compiz with kwin and it starts it automatically
[10:27] <HollowPoint> ok vadrao
[10:27] <dr_willis> that will just break it again I belive HollowPoint  - theres some script thats the issue.. if i rember right..  it was a few months ago in here about 4 of us reserched this issue
[10:27] <vadrao> Any other suggestions the dr_willis
[10:27] <HollowPoint> fair enough dr_willis but I think the issue is that if you try to revert back to kwin after you've uninstalled Compiz it won't stick, whereas if you revert to Kwin while Compiz is installed, then uninstall compiz after a reboot I believe it should work
[10:28] <dr_willis> vadrao,  check the forums for the fix. or leave compiz installed.. or check the compiz support channel
[10:28] <HollowPoint> idd ^^
[10:29] <ockonal> fale: any ideas?
[10:29] <dr_willis> have him make a new user and see if it works then for the new user.
[10:30] <dr_willis> he could also disable compiz from that .settings or was it .config  directory/file
[10:30] <dr_willis> I cant reboot to ubuntu to check at this time.. or i would look into it..
[10:30] <ockonal> favro: ?
[10:30] <HollowPoint> what are you in at the moment then dr_willis
[10:31] <dr_willis> using vista  right now to do some Video work :)
[10:31] <vadrao> dr_willis@ I am on kubuntu.
[10:31] <HollowPoint> you can't do video work in Linux?
[10:31] <HollowPoint> same difference vadrao
[10:31] <vadrao> I understand that there is some gconf_editor for ubuntu where in one could replace compiz with metacity
[10:31] <favro> ockonal: didn't work? - what xorg.conf are you using now?
[10:32] <ockonal> favro: yes, standart xorg.conf
[10:32] <Assurbanipal> HollowPoint, it orinted the test page...
[10:32] <dr_willis>  \etc\X11\Xsession.d\25enable-compiz         <--------------------- I think had somthing to do with the problem.
[10:32] <HollowPoint> vadrao, quite possibly, I haven't had Compiz installed on this particular install of Kubuntu and have never used Metacity
[10:32] <HollowPoint> nice one Assurbanipal
[10:32] <dr_willis> i was thinking that script stayed around after you removed compiz . and it caused problems.
[10:33] <dr_willis> if [ -e $HOME/.kde/share/config/compizasWM ] ; then
[10:33] <dr_willis> 	export KDEWM="/usr/bin/compiz"
[10:33] <vadrao> I think so too
[10:33] <dr_willis> if the user has that file.. then it tries to enable compiz.. which does not exist
[10:33] <Assurbanipal> HollowPoint, but it doesnt work smoothly...something is wrong...
[10:33] <HollowPoint> kdmrc controls what windows manager is used though, once you install Compiz and revert to Kwin with kwin --replace & in the command line that script should write to kdmrc, then uninstall comiz which won't touch kdmrc and all should be well
[10:33] <dr_willis>  remove that  $HOME/.kde/share/config/compizasWM  file perhaps?
[10:33] <HollowPoint> I'd suggest a reboot between reverting to kwin and uninstalling compiz though
[10:34] <ockonal> favro: maybe, the either way will be change my video card to nVidia? :-D
[10:34] <dr_willis> that may be what the kwin --replace does..is remove that file also.
[10:34] <vadrao> I will try your suggestion Hollowpoint
[10:34] <dr_willis> just removing that file now. may fix his issue.
[10:34] <HollowPoint> I'd agree with dr_willis that removing $HOME/.kde/share/config/compizasWM wouldn't hurt
[10:34] <favro> ockonal: I've gone back to the ati driver 'cause there are bugs in the fglrx ones...
[10:35] <dr_willis> of course if he had 10+ other users...  things would get ugly. :)
[10:35] <HollowPoint> Assurbanipal:  when you say it doesn't work smoothly you mean?
[10:35] <HollowPoint> yeah just a bit
[10:35] <ockonal> favro: sorry, i don't understand
[10:35] <ockonal> favro: are there any ways to fix my problem?
[10:35] <Assurbanipal> HollowPoint, i get error on the devices leds...
[10:36] <HollowPoint> ockonal > Intel chipsets are actually better than Nvidia so I hear. Apparently Intel have been working very closely with Linux on their graphics and audio drivers?
[10:36] <HollowPoint> Assurbanipal: you get an error on the device LEDs?
[10:36] <HollowPoint> as in the error light comes on?
[10:36] <favro> ockonal: some people can use the fglrx drivers ok some can't from what I've read
[10:36] <HollowPoint> ATi drivers are notoriously bad for Linux, they've gotten a lot better lately but still not great
[10:37] <vadrao> Hollowpoint@ there are other files as well in that directory.. like compizrc
[10:37] <dr_willis> a lot better = some times they actually work. :)
[10:37] <vadrao> Can I remove that too
[10:37] <ockonal> HollowPoint: but it'll be lately :)
[10:37] <favro> ockonal: I use an xorg.conf with the ati driver so things are stable
[10:37] <Assurbanipal> HollowPoint, i had red light blinking, don't know why... now i rebooted the printer and just printed through office nicely .... seems ok...
[10:37] <HollowPoint> however did I pickup on part of your conversation earlier ockonal and favro that you're trying to enable compiz in KDE4? If so I doubt even Nvidia or Intel cards will work on that right now
[10:37] <HollowPoint> lol yes dr_willis
[10:37] <favro> HollowPoint: I never new about the kde4 part of this...
[10:37] <Assurbanipal> HollowPoint, can i make this printer shared so other pc's running windows or linux can print on it?
[10:38] <HollowPoint> vadrao I'd say if you don't want compiz just get rid of anything that says compiz, provided you don't currently have it installed
[10:38] <ockonal> HollowPoint:  i want to set my drivers, becaouse i can't work with Linux with my hertz now
[10:38] <dr_willis> Cups can be used to share to other linux boxs , samba to share to other windows machines
[10:38] <ockonal> HollowPoint: now i have 75... It's too small
[10:38] <HollowPoint> ok one at a time now lol
[10:39] <HollowPoint> Assurbanipal: yes you need to install samba and cups, if you google on how to share a printer in Linux you'll find a how to guide on it easily enough
[10:39] <dr_willis> !info samba-doc
[10:39] <HollowPoint> ockonal you're on 75 hertz?
[10:39] <dr_willis> The samba-doc package has books on the topic Assurbanipal  :)
[10:39] <ockonal> HollowPoint: yes
[10:39] <HollowPoint> can your monitor handle 75 hertz?
[10:40] <ockonal> HollowPoint: yes, but on Windows i can get 200 with this v-card
[10:40] <dr_willis> I thought Most LCD's only did 60. But i guess newer ones do higher...
[10:40] <dr_willis> Not sure i could tell the differance :)
[10:40] <dr_willis> on a lcd at least.
[10:40] <HollowPoint> you can get 200 what?
[10:41] <HollowPoint> you certainly can't get 200 hertz because your monitor would fry
[10:41] <ockonal> HollowPoint: i really don't know, but in settings i could set 200 hz
[10:42] <HollowPoint> settings in Windows?
[10:42] <ockonal> box: show settings, which your monitor can't set was unchecked
[10:42] <ockonal> HollowPoint: yes
[10:43] <ockonal> if i set to 80 or 90, it'll be very good
[10:44] <HollowPoint> If you go to K Menu > System Settings > Monitor and Display what does it say for refresh frequency on the right hand side?
[10:44] <ockonal> wait, pls. can you see the screen?
[10:44] <HollowPoint> I can't see your screen now
[10:45] <HollowPoint> no*
[10:45] <ockonal> if i'll give you the link
[10:45] <dr_willis> Hmm..
[10:45] <HollowPoint> give me the link?
[10:45]  * dr_willis checks the wiki pedia for lcd refresh rates...
[10:45]  * HollowPoint starts to get worried
[10:45] <dr_willis> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refresh_rate
[10:47] <ockonal> HollowPoint:  http://s39.radikal.ru/i083/0809/f9/6694668834bc.jpg
[10:48] <HollowPoint> what the hell operating system are you using? That certainly isn't Kubuntu
[10:48] <ockonal> HollowPoint: ? Kubuntu
[10:48] <HollowPoint> Anyway, you're refresh rate is currently set at 75hz, and I forgot this is KDE4 right?
[10:49] <ockonal> HollowPoint: yes
[10:50] <HollowPoint> well you seriously do NOT want to increase the refresh rate about 75 hz, normally I wouldn't even recommend that for a TFT/LCD monitor and certainly not if you're not sure what you're doing.
[10:50] <HollowPoint> about should be above sorry*
[10:50] <dr_willis> I was thinking most lcds only did 60. but i guess newer ones can do higher..
[10:50] <HollowPoint> most should still be set at 60 to be safe dr_willis
[10:51] <ockonal> HollowPoint: ok, and how can i use compiz?
[10:51] <dr_willis> HollowPoint,  from the wikipedia entry - its not really a freresh rate anyway. :)
[10:51] <HollowPoint> unless of course you're in the states where nothing is earthed, constant dirty power out of the outlets and no fuses in anything lol
[10:51] <HollowPoint> what's your graphics card ockonal?
[10:51] <ockonal> HollowPoint: radeon 2600 pro
[10:51] <HollowPoint> exactly dr_willis it's basically a power setting
[10:51] <Assurbanipal> HollowPoint, i made it sharing the printer...now i try printing from windows client machine and asks for drivers :( why are they necessary ?
[10:53] <dr_willis> http://forum.beyond3d.com/archive/index.php/t-33826.html has some neat info on this discsssuin also
[10:54] <HollowPoint> try this ockonal
[10:54] <HollowPoint> http://www.ubuntu-rs.org/forum/viewthread.php?tid=2849
[10:54] <ockonal> HollowPoint: thanks, i'll see it now
[10:54] <HollowPoint> it's a russian forum but the how-to is in English and seems to have worked for others with same or similar card
[10:55] <HollowPoint> Assurbanipal: any machine that tries to print to a device needs drivers, your windows machine will need Windows drivers in order to print to the HP printer
[10:55] <HollowPoint> just as if the printer was installed on a Windows machine and shared over the network your Linux machine would need Linux drivers to print to it, not Windows ones
[10:55] <ockonal> HollowPoint:  ok, thank you. I'll try to do that
[10:55] <HollowPoint> np ockonal
[11:23] <landry55> yvon55
[11:29] <_Angelus_> what command plays swf files on kubuntu ?
[11:29] <HollowPoint> you need to install the swf player
[11:30] <HollowPoint> then open the swf file in that
[11:32] <airone> !list
[11:32] <_Angelus_> HollowPoint: like gnash? or there's something better?
[11:34] <Assurbanipal> HollowPoint, mate can u help me setup the client pc for network printing?? i cannot make it...
[11:35] <HollowPoint> _Angelus_ if you search the package database for flash you'll see the GNU swf player near the bottom of the list
[11:35] <HollowPoint> I forget it's name
[11:35] <HollowPoint> all you need Assurbanipal is to find the driver for the printer, so google for exactly but without the "" "download driver HP Photosmart Model" and obviously replace Model with the model number as I've forgotten it
[11:36] <HollowPoint> then when you try to install the shared printer and it asks for drivers, you select "Have Disk" in the installer menu and point it at the folder containing the printer driver you just downloaded
[11:36] <Assurbanipal> HollowPoint, i am now trying with ubuntu in both machines... i think the server is ok...now need to do the client
[11:37] <HollowPoint> You've installed Kubuntu on the client PC as well?
[11:37] <Assurbanipal> HollowPoint, client is dual boot, xp and kubuntu are on...
[11:37] <HollowPoint> and you're trying to get it to print from Kubuntu on the client machine?
[11:38] <Assurbanipal> yes
[11:38] <HollowPoint> you'll need to install cups mate
[11:38] <Assurbanipal> cups is on! but dont know how to "find" the printer on the other machine
[11:38] <HollowPoint> ah
[11:38] <HollowPoint> which version of Kubuntu is it/
[11:38] <HollowPoint> ?
[11:39] <Assurbanipal> HollowPoint, i open hp device manager, press add device, and then what?? i have 4.1 on the server and 3.5 on client. both on ubuntu 8.4
[11:40] <HollowPoint> you should be able to open HPLIP from the K Menu, then add device and you should be able to choose network/ethernet/wireless option
[11:40] <HollowPoint> at that point it should scan the network for Cups shared printers
[11:41] <Assurbanipal> i get "no device found"
[11:41] <Assurbanipal> could it be something on the server?
[11:41] <HollowPoint> so the next thing to try is clicking the manual button
[11:41] <HollowPoint> Find Manually the button should be
[11:41] <HollowPoint> it'll ask you for the ip address or hostname of the printers host
[11:42] <HollowPoint> if you have DNS setup and working properly the hostname should be fine but if not then hopefully the server is on a static IP?
[11:42] <Assurbanipal> both pcs are on a rooter in my house,sharing a dls connection
[11:42] <HollowPoint> ok then well what's the router?
[11:43] <HollowPoint> I know for a fact that Kubuntu does not work well on D-Link routers when it comes to DNS
[11:43] <HollowPoint> it doesn't like the DNS stack of the router
[11:43] <Assurbanipal> it is a philips rooter
[11:43] <HollowPoint> ah unchartered territory for me then, does the server have a static IP address?
[11:44] <Assurbanipal> i entered my servers local ip address in find manually but nothing
[11:44] <HollowPoint> did you setup the share on the server in Cups or just in Samba?
[11:44] <HollowPoint> they are very different
[11:44] <Assurbanipal> let me go through that again...
[11:44] <HollowPoint> if you set up the share in Samba that explains why the Windows box found it, if you didn't set it up in Cups then the Linux box won't find it
[11:45] <Assurbanipal> so,how do i set it up in cups?
[11:46] <HollowPoint> Quite straight forward in 3.5.9 but you're running KDE4.1 on the server right?
[11:46] <Assurbanipal> yes
[11:47] <HollowPoint> In 3.5.9 you can configure it from the Control Centre/System Settings > Printers
[11:47] <Assurbanipal> but in kde 4?
[11:47] <HollowPoint> once you have the Printers dialog open you need to click on the Print Server tab, then the network icon on the left hand side and you'll see a dialog called Cups server configuration
[11:48] <HollowPoint> I'm not sure if it's the same in KDE4 or not mate, I've installed KDE4 a few times but didn't get on with it because I use my machine as a production machine and it just wasn't functional enough
[11:48] <HollowPoint> hold on I'll boot my OpenSUSE virtual Machine, that uses KDE4 I'll take a look
[11:48] <Assurbanipal> oki!
[11:49] <HollowPoint> the main problem here is going to be that OpenSUSE uses Yast2 for every bloody thing so not sure I'll be able to get to the control centre like I could in Kubuntu, but we'll see, it's just booting up
[11:51] <HollowPoint> yeah seems to actually be more straight forward in KED4
[11:52] <Assurbanipal> so??
[11:52] <HollowPoint> still in the control centre, under Hardware > Printers then you'll see an option for CUPS Server Settings
[11:53] <Assurbanipal> cant find it mate...
[11:54] <HollowPoint> hmmmmmm, if you have a look around the control centre you'll find the printer option in there, once you've found that it looks relatively straight forward, unfortunately like I said before OpenSUSE uses Yast2 for everything instead of just straight forward control centre
[11:55] <Assurbanipal> i have nohitng like "printer" or "hardware" in system settings!
[11:57] <HollowPoint> does the server have a monitor?
[11:57] <Assurbanipal> HollowPoint, maybe i found it
[11:57] <Assurbanipal> i ve got "printer configuration - localhost
[11:58] <HollowPoint> that looks familiar, you might be able to configure it with the CUPS web interface though
[11:58] <HollowPoint> try opening a browser and going to server.local.ip.address:631/admin obviously replacing server.local.ip.address with it's ip address
[12:00] <Assurbanipal> ok!i m on cups settings page with mozilla
[12:00] <HollowPoint> cool
[12:00] <HollowPoint> should be straight forward from there mate
[12:01] <Assurbanipal> welll i don;t knwo...
[12:01] <Assurbanipal> i see the printer here...
[12:01] <Assurbanipal> but then what?
[12:02] <HollowPoint> you should be able to set it up as a shared printre
[12:03] <HollowPoint> If you've got the same cups web interface as me then you should see on the right hand side a load of tick boxes under the Server heading
[12:03] <HollowPoint> one of which is "Share published printers connected to this system"
[12:03] <Assurbanipal> i have that ticked
[12:03] <HollowPoint> I'd recommend that being ticked and then click on the printers tab at the top
[12:04] <HollowPoint> click on the printer you want to publish and you'll see a load of buttons below it
[12:04] <HollowPoint> click the publish printer button
[12:04] <Assurbanipal> it says it is published
[12:04] <HollowPoint> ok, see if you can see if from the client
[12:04] <Assurbanipal> i can only unpublish it
[12:05] <Assurbanipal> ok, i go on the other pc now and following u
[12:05] <HollowPoint> yup
[12:05] <Assurbanipal> i am on cups on add printer page
[12:06] <HollowPoint> ok so you go for network, then go for cups
[12:06] <HollowPoint> you should see the printer you just shared
[12:07] <Assurbanipal> ok i see it!
[12:07] <HollowPoint> excellent
[12:08] <Assurbanipal> it asks for a user name and password now..
[12:08] <Assurbanipal> it says it is requested by the server
[12:08] <HollowPoint> yup, that'll be the username and password for the user on the server which has authority to print to it
[12:09] <Assurbanipal> ok, now i ve choose it as the default printer on client
[12:09] <Assurbanipal> is it ready to work now?
[12:10] <HollowPoint> should be
[12:11] <Assurbanipal> i try the test page through cups interface.it works. no how do i "save" these settings on the client?
[12:12] <ActionParsnip> hey all
[12:12] <ActionParsnip> !firewall
[12:12] <HollowPoint> if you've installed the printer on the client it's saved mate
[12:13] <Assurbanipal> so i just close mozilla and the printer shoulf be on the installed printers list,right?
[12:13] <HollowPoint> yup
[12:13] <HollowPoint> hi ActionParsnip
[12:14] <ActionParsnip> is there a kde equiv to firestarter? Firestarter appears to be a gnome app
[12:15] <ockonal> HollowPoint: how to make .run-file running? :)
[12:16] <ockonal> chmod +
[12:16] <HollowPoint> chmod +x
[12:16] <HollowPoint> I've used it in KDE before ActionParsnip
[12:16] <ockonal> thanks
[12:16] <HollowPoint> it'
[12:16] <HollowPoint> it's in the repos
[12:17] <Assurbanipal> HollowPoint, seems to be working great! tnx mate/! i m gonna try doing it through windows now...
[12:17] <HollowPoint> np dude
[12:17] <HollowPoint> glad I could help
[12:19] <ActionParsnip> HollowPoint: i ust dont wanna install any extra libs
[12:20] <HollowPoint> ah right, well you could always just use iptables
[12:21] <ActionParsnip> yeah i think thats gonna be the spec
[12:22] <ActionParsnip> i gots a router so i should be ok
[12:22] <HollowPoint> yeah, always nice to have iptables configured though
[12:23] <ActionParsnip> true
[12:24] <ActionParsnip> if i use hdparm is it persistant or does the command need running every boot?
[12:25] <neWbie> anyone can give me a hand? ivegot a tedious line appearing in the centre of the screen when im watching clips on youtube for example
[12:25] <neWbie> i think its a flash prob, but not sure
[12:25] <HollowPoint> does it appear accross the entire screen or just the video output?
[12:25] <ockonal> HollowPoint: can u help me with manual?
[12:25] <neWbie> just the video
[12:25] <HollowPoint> not sure on that ActionParsnip but I think it should work on reboot
[12:25] <HollowPoint> ockonal manual?
[12:26] <ockonal> HollowPoint: http://www.ubuntu-rs.org/forum/viewthread.php?tid=2849
[12:26] <HollowPoint> neWbie, what graphics card are you using and what drivers?
[12:26] <ockonal> HollowPoint:  about ati-drivers installation
[12:26] <neWbie> HollowPoint: i correctly installed the nvidia drivers following the procedure, ivegot a geforce 9600 gt
[12:27] <HollowPoint> you're definitely running the nvidia drivers in /etc/X11/xorg.conf then neWbie?
[12:27] <HollowPoint> ockonal which part are you having trouble with mate?
[12:27] <ockonal> from 20.
[12:27] <neWbie> HollowPoint: i think so yes
[12:27] <ockonal> HollowPoint: I don't know, what i may to do next
[12:28] <ockonal> HollowPoint: there are no any changes in xorg.conf after step 20... May it be?
[12:29] <neWbie> HollowPoint: what that line could be?
[12:29] <HollowPoint> one sec ockonal I'll take a look
[12:29] <HollowPoint> neWbie it'll be in the device section under driver
[12:29] <HollowPoint> it should say driver             nvidia            if it's setup properly
[12:30] <neWbie> define "device section" im a newbie, dunno much about kubuntu sorry
[12:30] <HollowPoint> have you run aticonfig from the command line ockonal?
[12:30] <HollowPoint> ah ok neWbie
[12:30] <neWbie> lol
[12:30] <HollowPoint> open a konsole terminal and type "sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf" but without the ""
[12:30] <ockonal> HollowPoint: yes, #aticonfig, but i saw how to use this 'function'
[12:30] <HollowPoint> then scroll down it and you'll see "Section Device"
[12:30] <ockonal> HollowPoint: aticonfig parameters
[12:31] <HollowPoint> then below that you'll see driver
[12:31] <neWbie> HollowPoint: open a konsole terminal and type "sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf" but without the "" that's for me?
[12:31] <ockonal> HollowPoint: wait, please
[12:31] <HollowPoint> yes neWbie
[12:31] <HollowPoint> ok ockonal
[12:31] <neWbie> alright :D i feel like an idiot (without the "") hahahah
[12:31] <neWbie> im doing it
[12:32] <HollowPoint> np
[12:32] <ockonal> HollowPoint: after typing: #aticonfig i got:
[12:32] <ockonal> ockonal@WinCode:~/Рабочий стол/ati$ aticonfig
[12:32] <ockonal> Usage: aticonfig [OPTION] ...
[12:32] <ockonal> Parses an existing X-Server configuration file and modifies it to operate with
[12:32] <ockonal> ATI products.
[12:32] <ockonal>  
[12:32] <ockonal> The following command-line options can be invoked as parameters:
[12:32] <neWbie> HollowPoint: do i have to pastebin it??
[12:33] <ockonal> HollowPoint: so , this command cant work without parameters
[12:33] <ActionParsnip> !ati | ockonal
[12:33] <neWbie> HollowPoint: do i have to pastebin it??
[12:34] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: if its your xorg.conf then yes
[12:34] <HollowPoint> yes newbie
[12:34] <neWbie> ok
[12:34] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: you can use pastebinit too ;)
[12:34] <ockonal> HollowPoint: maybe i may to do this: aticonfig --initial?
[12:34] <ockonal> ATI Initial Configuration:
[12:34] <ockonal>   --initial
[12:34] <ockonal>         Generate a default ATI device section in the configuration file which
[12:34] <ockonal>         is capable of loading the fglrx driver.
[12:34] <ActionParsnip> sudo apt-get install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:34] <neWbie> http://paste.ubuntu.com/44161/
[12:34] <HollowPoint> that sounds like a good idea ockonal, you need to use pastebin in future though when pasting config files and konsole output
[12:35] <neWbie> like this its quicker
[12:35] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: then you dont have to use a website, you will get a url on the command line
[12:35] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: theres more than that dude
[12:35] <neWbie> yes someone already made me installed that packet but apparently it wasnt working
[12:35] <ockonal> HollowPoint: sorry, i can't understand..... What i may to do now?
[12:35] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:35] <neWbie> HollowPoint: http://paste.ubuntu.com/44161/
[12:35] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: paste the whole thing
[12:35] <HollowPoint> neWbie: you have installed nvidia drivers correctly
[12:36] <neWbie> ActionParsnip: http://paste.ubuntu.com/44162/
[12:36] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: ok, you need to specify resolution and refresh rate and it'll work
[12:37] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: are you still getting low resolution despite having the driver loaded?
[12:37] <neWbie> HollowPoint: I know but so why is there that line? and for example it doesnt let me upload images with imageshack i tried others but nothing i think i have a flash prob
[12:37] <HollowPoint> I will therefore assume your first suspiscion that you may have a flash issue is probably the problem. If you type into konsole "sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree" you should see an improvement
[12:37] <ActionParsnip> !flash | neWbie
[12:38] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: do you wanna fix nvidia drivers or flash?
[12:38] <neWbie> ActionParsnip: yes, im still getting low resolution. how do i fix that?
[12:38] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: neWbie: http://pastebin.com/f16e75071
[12:38] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: thats mine no an nvidia card runing at 1024x768
[12:38] <neWbie> so?
[12:39] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: so you can use bits of mine to make yours work
[12:39] <neWbie> if i knew how to do it eheheh
[12:39] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: if yu look at my "Screen" section
[12:39] <ActionParsnip> you'll see i have a tonne of lines you dont
[12:39] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: you'll need to run kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:40] <ActionParsnip> or you wont be allowed to save changes
[12:40] <HollowPoint> neWbie: you've got the Nvidia Settings wizard installed so I'd use that instead of playing with your xorg.conf too much on your own, you could end up breaking your X server completely
[12:40] <neWbie> and then modify it manually?
[12:40] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: yeah
[12:40] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: id run sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bak
[12:40] <neWbie> alright wait a second guys you are suggesting me two different things, i appreciate both your helps but dunno what's better... what should i do?
[12:41] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: this will backup the original configuration so you can roll back
[12:41] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: whichever you prefer
[12:41] <neWbie> i dunno ur the experts u tell me lol
[12:42] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: i cant tell you yur preference
[12:42] <neWbie> i trust both of ur suggestions
[12:42] <ockonal> HollowPoint: please, help
[12:42] <neWbie> how can i have preferences on something that i dunno????
[12:42] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: personally id just copy the lines from my xorg.conf to yours save, exit and reboot
[12:42] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: you need to try new things to test
[12:42] <neWbie> ok so which lines exactly?
[12:43] <ockonal> HollowPoint: i saw log of drivers installation:
[12:43] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: copy from line 23 to 39
[12:43] <HollowPoint> ockonal all you need to do now is check your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, and make sure the driver is set to frglx instead of vesa
[12:43] <ockonal> make[2]: *** [/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.o] Error 1
[12:43] <ockonal> make[1]: *** [_module_/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x] Error 2
[12:43] <ockonal> make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.24-19-generic'
[12:43] <ockonal> make: *** [kmod_build] Error 2
[12:43] <ockonal> build failed with return value 2
[12:43] <ockonal> [Error] Kernel Module : Failed to compile kernel module - please consult readme.
[12:43] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: and paste it in your "screen" section
[12:43] <neWbie> alright im doing it...
[12:43] <ActionParsnip> ockonal: please use pastebin for large pieces of text
[12:43] <ockonal> ActionParsnip: ok, sorry
[12:44] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: if you wanna give me a pastebin of the result i can check it for you
[12:44] <ockonal> HollowPoint: do you know, why building drivers has failed?
[12:44] <neWbie> ok let me do it then ill pastebin it
[12:44] <neWbie> thank u
[12:45] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: np
[12:46] <HollowPoint> probably because you haven't got the right linux-headers installed you need to verify which kernel you have running currently and then check you have the right linux-headers installed
[12:46] <ockonal> HollowPoint: yesterday i've installed new linux-kernel
[12:47] <neWbie> ActionParsnip: http://paste.ubuntu.com/44164/
[12:47] <neWbie> is that ok?
[12:47] <HollowPoint> then you probably need to update your linux-headers to the same version as your new kernel
[12:47] <ockonal> HollowPoint: they were update
[12:48] <HollowPoint> just because your kernel was updated doesn't mean your linux-headers were ockonal
[12:48] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: looks fine
[12:48] <HollowPoint> linux-headers are not installed by default
[12:48] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: save it and then reboot
[12:48] <neWbie> the system?
[12:48] <ockonal> HollowPoint: how can i install them?
[12:48] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: i would, just to check its all good
[12:49] <HollowPoint> do you know which kernel version you currently have installed?
[12:49] <ActionParsnip> ockonal: uname -a
[12:49] <ockonal> Linux WinCode 2.6.24-19-generic #1 SMP Wed Aug 20 17:53:40 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[12:50] <ActionParsnip> ockonal: im on Linux fileserver 2.6.24-21-generic #1 SMP Mon Aug 25 16:57:51 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[12:50] <neWbie> alright so ill reboot and come back
[12:50] <neWbie> see you in one sec, i really hope is not all scr....d lol
[12:50] <HollowPoint> then you need to type in konsole apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.24-19-generic
[12:50] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: indeed, if its bad just copy back the xorg.conf you created when yuo began
[12:50] <neWbie> ill be back in one minute
[12:50] <neWbie> i dunno how to do
[12:50] <neWbie> ill come here to ask in case
[12:51] <neWbie> see you in one min
[12:51] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: or just remove the ines you added
[12:51] <ockonal> Уже установлена самая новая версия linux-headers-2.6.24-19-generic.
[12:51] <ockonal> sorry
[12:51] <ockonal> They were installer
[12:51] <ockonal> *installed
[12:52] <ockonal> i've already had them
[12:52] <HollowPoint> can you pastebin the rest of the error message you got when trying to install the drivers?
[12:53] <ockonal> HollowPoint: log-file?
[12:53] <HollowPoint> yeah
[12:53] <HollowPoint> but pastebin it
[12:53] <HollowPoint> don't paste it into here
[12:54] <ockonal> HollowPoint: :-D
[12:55] <HollowPoint> ?
[12:55] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: welcome back
[12:55] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: any good?
[12:55] <kottlett> anybody else experiences problems with kdesvn complaining about invalid utf-8 sequences? must have come with an update from within the last two weeks, mabe the 3.5.10 update
[12:56] <neWbie> ActionParnsip: i dunno though... the screen its all wide
[12:56] <ockonal> HollowPoint: http://paste.ubuntu.com/44171/
[12:56] <neWbie> everything its bigger, and wide
[12:56] <rysiek|pl> hi guys
[12:56] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: more screen resolution?
[12:56] <neWbie> ??
[12:56] <rysiek|pl> anybody any pointers why ssh segfaults every single time I try to use it?
[12:57] <neWbie> before it was better, i could see better now it's all bigger even if the resolution is 1024 x (what it is)
[12:57] <neWbie> its too WIDE now
[12:57] <HollowPoint> ockonal did you run the installation as root?
[12:58] <ockonal> HollowPoint: sec
[12:58] <ActionParsnip> 1024x768
[12:59] <ActionParsnip> try tweaking your monitor to be thinner, it may be there
[12:59] <neWbie> how do i do?
[12:59] <ockonal> HollowPoint: ockonal@WinCode:~/Рабочий стол/ati$ sudo ./ati-installer.sh 8.42.3 --install
[12:59] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: use the OSD and buttons
[12:59] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: its the menu in your monitors display
[12:59] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: is it a laptop?
[12:59] <neWbie> the auto adjustment display button on the monitor?
[12:59] <neWbie> no its a desktop
[12:59] <neWbie> i tried it nothing happened
[13:00] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: ok cool, yeah jump in the menus to make the horizontal size smaller
[13:00] <ActionParsnip> what does xrandr --verbose output
[13:00] <DexterF> !tor
[13:00] <neWbie> no wait i didnt get u what do i have to do? sorry
[13:01] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: you need to use the buttons on your monitor to tweak the display
[13:01] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: what does xrandr --verbose output?
[13:01] <neWbie> no but its a resolution prob
[13:02] <neWbie> ActionParsnip: http://paste.ubuntu.com/44174/
[13:03] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: try changing your refresh rate a little
[13:03] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: but you are running at 1024x768
[13:03] <neWbie> i no i read on the system settings but so why is it so wide?
[13:04] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: either a refresh rate is out or your monitor is projecting the image too wide, in which case yuo need to haul it ni with the buttons on the monitor
[13:05] <ockonal> HollowPoint: any ideas?
[13:05] <neWbie> the screen is centered i see it all, is not that i am missing the sides as it would be if i had problems like that, its just WIDE
[13:06] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: it may be centred but the horizontal size may be too large
[13:06] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: just crank it in to test, if its not we'll try reconfiguring
[13:06] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: it takes seconds
[13:07] <neWbie> but theres no option on the osd about the SIZE i can only move horizontally or vertically but not decide the size of it
[13:07] <HollowPoint> sorry ockonal ATi is far from my favourite brand of graphics card, and it's now 12:10am here so I need to go to bed and get some sleep
[13:08] <ockonal> HollowPoint: ok, good luck ;)
[13:08] <HollowPoint> I can only recommend you paste the last part of that logfile into google and see what it comes up with, I had to do that a couple of times with older Nvidia cards once or twice when they wouldn't take the binary drivers
[13:08] <ockonal> HollowPoint: thanks, i'll try it
[13:09] <neWbie> ActionParsnip: ????
[13:10] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: use the menu on your monitor to find how to reduce horizontal size
[13:10] <neWbie> ActionParsnip: im telling you in that menu there's no size reduction, only positioning
[13:11] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: weird
[13:12] <neWbie> picture, colour, position, tracking and setup (of the osd window)
[13:12] <neWbie> nothing else
[13:12] <neWbie> and in each of them there's no mentioning about "size" or "resize"
[13:13] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: ok kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[13:13] <neWbie> do i have to pastebin it?
[13:13] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: nar its ok, i got it
[13:13] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: try adding _75.00 to each 1024x768
[13:13] <neWbie> http://paste.ubuntu.com/44177/
[13:13] <neWbie> oh sorry... i thought i had to
[13:13] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: so they all look like the top one
[13:14] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: no wories dude
[13:14] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: makes it all 75hz refresh
[13:14] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: does you monitor do 75hz at 1024x768?
[13:15] <neWbie> the max it gives me according to my "system settings>monitor and display" is 52 hz i dont have such a high one as 75hz, the max is 52hz
[13:15] <neWbie> i guess this is the prob
[13:15] <ActionParsnip> then chang 75.00 to 52.00
[13:15] <ActionParsnip> looks like it
[13:15] <neWbie> just in the first or all of them?
[13:16] <ActionParsnip> your monitor cant do 75hz like mine can
[13:16] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: yeah id add to them all
[13:16] <neWbie> weird... that a f....g expensive monitor lol
[13:16] <ActionParsnip> 52hz isnt great man
[13:16] <neWbie> i no
[13:17] <neWbie> not at all
[13:17] <neWbie> when i was running XP it was working
[13:17] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: mind you mines a crt so :P
[13:17] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: just crank up slow and see what you can get
[13:17] <neWbie> whatz the depth?
[13:17] <neWbie> it says depth: 24
[13:17] <neWbie> then depth: 16
[13:17] <neWbie> could that be?
[13:17] <ActionParsnip> 24bit colour
[13:18] <ActionParsnip> you can add one for 32bit if you want
[13:18] <neWbie> anyway now that i modified the xorg ill reboot and see, then ill get here again in one min. right
[13:18] <neWbie> ?
[13:18] <neWbie> ok?
[13:18] <ActionParsnip> yeah cool
[13:18] <neWbie> cu in one min
[13:22] <neWbie> ActionParsnip: now it got back as it was but i've just noticed i was wrong thinking it was too wide, it was just the resolution because now i have the one i had that it 1400x900
[13:22] <ActionParsnip> then set that in xorg.conf
[13:23] <neWbie> yes can u retype the command plz?
[13:24] <neWbie> ActionParsnip: kdesudo kate xorg.......???
[13:24] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: use your up cursor ;)
[13:24] <neWbie> kewl!!!!
[13:25] <neWbie> i didnt no about that
[13:26] <neWbie> so now its weird because on the xorg says "1024x768_52.00" instead on the monitor dispaly settings it says "1400x900" 52hz... what do i do? uff
[13:27] <ActionParsnip> sounds ok, as long as you can do that refresh at that res
[13:27] <neWbie> it doesnt sound ok if on the xorg says a resolution which is not the same on the monitor display settings...
[13:28] <neWbie> am i right or wrong?
[13:28] <ActionParsnip> when you update xorg.conf you need to restart x server or reboot
[13:29] <neWbie> i did though
[13:29] <neWbie> and this is what i found after the reboot
[13:29] <ActionParsnip> if its wrong you can log on into single user mode (command line) and change it back
[13:29] <ActionParsnip> give me your xorg.conf please
[13:30] <Walzmyn> use pastebin
[13:30] <neWbie> i changed the _75hz to _52hz as u said then restarted and what i found was the xorg says "1024x768_52.00" instead on the monitor dispaly settings it says "1400x900" 52hz...
[13:31] <neWbie> this is how i modified http://paste.ubuntu.com/44183/ then i reboot and its still like this but in "system settings>monitor display" the resolution appears to be 1400x900 with 52hz
[13:32] <ActionParsnip> is the display itself ok?
[13:32] <neWbie> instead of being 1024x768 as it is on the xorg
[13:32] <neWbie> yes the display seems ok
[13:32] <ActionParsnip> screw it then
[13:33] <neWbie> but its weird... 2 different resolution
[13:33] <ActionParsnip> if it aint broke dont fix it
[13:33] <neWbie> screw it? what u mean?
[13:33] <ActionParsnip> indeed
[13:33] <ActionParsnip> i wouldnt argue if its doing right after a cold boot
[13:33] <ActionParsnip> screw it == forget it
[13:33] <ActionParsnip> it is weird but if its ok then leave alone
[13:33] <neWbie> mmm
[13:34] <neWbie> yes but... this is more a windows filosophy than a linux one lol
[13:34] <Guest4764> does anyone here run AVG for LInux? ...  is it any good?
[13:34] <neWbie> use ClamAV
[13:35] <neWbie> instead of AVG wich is incompatible with lots of apps
[13:36] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: you dont really need it unless you are running a samba share
[13:36] <ActionParsnip> which windows users will write to
[13:36] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: due to the user architecture of linux, users have limited access so viri wont be able to do much at all
[13:36] <neWbie> ill try to change the 1024x768 on the xorg to 1400x900 and see what happens
[13:36] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: unless yuo log in as root like an idiot then you are ok
[13:37] <Guest4764> I have klamav installed
[13:37] <neWbie> what du think?
[13:37] <Guest4764> I was just curious about AVG thats all
[13:37] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: well you got a knowledge of whats what with xorg.conf, just ALWAYS backup conf files before you start messing around
[13:37] <Guest4764> (it has better detection than KlamAV
[13:37] <ActionParsnip> Guest4764: klamAV is a gui for clamAV
[13:38] <ForgeAus> yes thats true
[13:38] <ForgeAus> its still not telling me anything about AVG under linux, if its worth it or not
[13:38] <ActionParsnip> ForgeAus: you dont really need it unless yuo have windows systems writing to your system
[13:38] <neWbie> ok
[13:38] <ActionParsnip> !avg
[13:38] <neWbie> thank you actionparnsip
[13:38] <neWbie> ;)
[13:38] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: awesome, glad we got there
[13:39] <neWbie> LOL
[13:39] <neWbie> sorry mate
[13:39] <ForgeAus> ActionParsnip, I'm omre thinking of courtesy not passing on malware, etc to windows users...
[13:39] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: just backup conf files so you can copy the original back if you need to back pedal
[13:39] <neWbie> ok
[13:39] <ForgeAus> even if they don't affect linux doesn't mean that other users won't be infected from what I got...
[13:39] <ActionParsnip> ForgeAus: you wont if you run as user you'll be pretty sound
[13:39] <neWbie> bye
[13:39] <ActionParsnip> ForgeAus: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Antivirus/Avg
[13:40] <ForgeAus> thanx
[13:41] <ForgeAus> ahh IC, its only a detection tool not a removal one
[13:41] <ForgeAus> (nless you buy the full vers I guess)
[13:42] <ActionParsnip> you can always delete the infected file
[13:42] <ActionParsnip> !antivirus | ForgeAus
[13:42] <ForgeAus> apparnetly there's now smarter viruses/spyware for linux, they disable common scanners
[13:43] <ForgeAus> erm not linux windows sorry..
[13:43] <ForgeAus> a little scatterbrained right now
[13:43] <ActionParsnip> windows is full of virus'
[13:43] <ActionParsnip> theres thousands, but you are running linux and they wont affect you
[13:44] <ForgeAus> theres one malware of some kind I heard was called windows XP 2008 ... it disables many common virus scanners
[13:44] <ForgeAus> AVG is one that is unaffected :)
[13:44] <ActionParsnip> ForgeAus: wel thats on windows, you arent running windows so it wont affect you
[13:45] <ActionParsnip> ForgeAus: and if you are logged in as user, any linux virii you get cannot edit system files as it will only have your access level. This is one strong reason to NEVER log on as root
[13:46] <ActionParsnip> ForgeAus: people realise this the hard way, I enjoy laughing at them
[13:48] <ForgeAus> AP I know all that
[13:49] <ForgeAus> although there are some (few) viruses that actually do affect linux...
[13:49] <ForgeAus> however I wasn't so concerned about a virus affecting my system as I was about passing on ones to other users
[13:49] <ActionParsnip> oh definately, www.sophos.com tells you about them
[13:49] <xerosis> I'm getting the screen not updating until I switch TTYs and back again, any ideas against what to log a bug?
[13:49] <ForgeAus> and coming from a windows background I do use wine
[13:50] <biochem> how do I change my default browser from konqr to firefox
[13:50] <ForgeAus> theres a script in ubuntu forums
[13:50] <ActionParsnip> biochem: theres an option to make sure it is the default browser
[13:51] <ActionParsnip> biochem: you may have to set the browser in your apps
[13:51] <biochem> doh
[13:51] <biochem> yes, there it is... under preferences
[13:51] <biochem> thanks
[13:51] <ForgeAus> http://jatshergill.com/blog/2006/05/16/how-to-setup-the-default-web-browser-in-kubuntu/ shows a few ways
[13:54] <ForgeAus> grrr I was just at the site that told me the tiny .sh script for switching filemanagers and browser defaults
[13:54] <ActionParsnip> just change it in each app
[14:02] <jwerde> español
[14:02] <WaSTe[bRe]> can i install windows drivers under kubuntu with wine?
[14:03] <WaSTe[bRe]> can i install windows drivers under kubuntu with wine?
[14:05] <aotianlong> you can't
[14:05] <ForgeAus> WaSTe no... well not for use with linux's system
[14:05] <WaSTe[bRe]> i run the setup instalation for graphic driver and next > next > next :D
[14:05] <aotianlong> have try sun vertual box
[14:05] <ForgeAus> some software drivers may install in wine but most for the purpose of getting a program to work not for device management, etc...
[14:06] <WaSTe[bRe]> can i use windows drivers for graphic and install in under linux?
[14:06] <WaSTe[bRe]> somehow
[14:06] <ForgeAus> WaSTe I don't recommend you do that
[14:06] <ForgeAus> you probably have a display manager, etc already on linux with your default desktop...
[14:06] <WaSTe[bRe]> there is no linux drivers for my graphiccard
[14:07] <ForgeAus> (I know kubuntu has KDE)
[14:07] <WaSTe[bRe]> yes i have
[14:07] <ForgeAus> what graphics card do you have?
[14:07] <WaSTe[bRe]> winfast pvr 6200 turbo cache
[14:07] <ForgeAus> wine uses KDE to display graphics...
[14:07] <WaSTe[bRe]> uses nvidia chisets
[14:07] <WaSTe[bRe]> chipset*
[14:07] <ForgeAus> uh, ok I havn't heard of that card but you might want to read up on
[14:07] <ForgeAus> !Nvidia
[14:08] <ForgeAus> there may be some assistance there???
[14:08] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[14:08] <WaSTe[bRe]> linux uses drivers for nvidia 6x series
[14:09] <ForgeAus> WaSTe sounds like thats the chipset on your card, so thats probably why
[14:10] <WaSTe[bRe]> 05:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV44 [GeForce 6200 TurboCache
[14:11] <ForgeAus> is your problem that it isn't specific enough for you?
[14:12] <ActionParsnip> WaSTe[bRe]: yuo could use envyng-gtk
[14:12] <WaSTe[bRe]> i eneble the graphic drivers for linux
[14:12] <WaSTe[bRe]> but am not shure will it work perfectly
[14:12] <ActionParsnip> WaSTe[bRe]: nvidia works pretty well
[14:14] <WaSTe[bRe]> let say i can play direct3d games?
[14:14] <WaSTe[bRe]> newer ones or?
[14:15] <b3ny0-> 7j
[14:15] <ActionParsnip> WaSTe[bRe]: indeed
[14:15] <ActionParsnip> WaSTe[bRe]: some games have native installers, some require wine and a little configuration
[14:16] <ActionParsnip> WaSTe[bRe]: if you got the cash you could buy cedega or crossover office
[14:17] <lex> hello ppl. anyoow how to work arorund hard disk wear and tear on kubuntu??? laptop hard drives beacuse of agressive power saving methods die faster. i want to disable that...
[14:19] <ActionParsnip> lex: how does power saving affect hard drive access?
[14:19] <BluesKaj> lex, sudo apt-get remove powernowd  , should work ...worked for me , then to check your cpu speed do : cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep MHz , in the terminal
[14:20] <lex> thanx alot BluesKaj
[14:20] <BluesKaj> np
[14:21] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: how are the two linked?
[14:21] <lex> so, after i delete that package, the clicking soung of my hard drive slowly dying on me will dissapear?
[14:22] <ActionParsnip> lex: if its clicking, run another nightly backup then go buy a new drive
[14:22] <ActionParsnip> lex: clicking drive == dying drive
[14:22] <BluesKaj> ActionParsnip, powernowd is the cpu stepping app that makes the cpu speed decision depending on l;oad requirements
[14:22] <lex> ActionParsnip: power saving method does the hard drive head be removed from the disk.
[14:22] <lex> ActionParsnip: it was working like that for two years now. since the day we met. (the day i bought it :))
[14:23] <BluesKaj> lex dunno if defewating powernowd will help ..sounds like you drive is almost cooked
[14:23] <ActionParsnip> lex: i see
[14:24] <BluesKaj> lex, really, then it could be just an anomoly
[14:24] <lex> some cycles: load cycles. every hard drive has a life spand of few couple thousands (two years normal use)and the agresive power saving method in ubuntu kills the hard drive in months.
[14:25] <BluesKaj> lex, where did you see or hear that statement ?
[14:25] <lex> sorry for my noobidity for not knowing that.
[14:25] <lex> there is a thread on the forum
[14:25] <BluesKaj> got a URL ?
[14:26] <lex> that is a decease that ubuntu inheritted from debian father. it is deep inside the kernel
[14:26] <lex> sorry, no :(
[14:26] <lex> i am installing firefox, i will give you the link soon
[14:26] <Ninjara> Maybe you get asked about this all the time, but my searching isn't giving me much:  What's the easiest equivalent of a personal firewall in linux?  Always-deny & ask policy for programs, for instance.
[14:27] <jussi01> !firewall
[14:27] <ActionParsnip> Ninjara: firestarter
[14:27] <BluesKaj> lex, odd cuz windows does a similar thing , but i don't know how to defeat it
[14:27] <Ninjara> Isn't iptables more like just a packet filter though?
[14:28] <ActionParsnip> Ninjara: it allows or denys packets based on filters but isnt that what a firewall does?
[14:28] <Ninjara> Will firestarter explicitly ask if I want to give executables a permission policy for internet access?  I thought it was just a firewall ruleset builder.
[14:28] <ActionParsnip> Ninjara: yes you configure it then it does its thing
[14:28] <Ninjara> ActionParsnip: "Personal firewall" is usually taken to mean the kind you find in windows, afaik.; one that asks for permissions for programs and generates policies for them.
[14:28] <Ninjara> hm
[14:29] <Ninjara> Excellent.
[14:29] <BluesKaj> if it was a packet filter what gives IPtables the ability to reject malware. How can it differntiate ?
[14:29] <ActionParsnip> Ninjara: you can even block certain hosts from accessing certain protocols and ports on your system
[14:30] <Ninjara> er, yeah..  Does it recognize which processes are trying to access what and remember that, or just ask "permit tcp port 80 outbound?" and from there on permit that for every process?
[14:30] <Ninjara> ActionParsnip: I know *that*, I've used iptables before :p
[14:30] <ActionParsnip> Ninjara: yuo can isolate apps or just leave it open outbound
[14:30] <Ninjara> hm, ok
[14:30] <lex> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpi-support/+bug/59695
[14:30]  * ForgeAus wishes there was a wine-like abi but for OSX apps
[14:30] <ActionParsnip> Ninjara: depends how thorough you want to be
[14:31] <lex> the link for life of hard drives on laptops
[14:31] <ActionParsnip> ForgeAus: what app do you want from OSX?
[14:31] <ForgeAus> AP I don't know... are there any good ones? :)
[14:31] <Ninjara> So thorough everything is strictly verboten und illegal unless I say otherwise.
[14:31] <ForgeAus> theres gotta be some reason ppl like apple macintosh computers
[14:32] <ForgeAus> (software reason I mean)...
[14:32] <ActionParsnip> ForgeAus: then why want on api for osx if you dont know what there is
[14:32] <ForgeAus> because Linux doesn't run any of them...
[14:32] <ActionParsnip> ForgeAus: it treats you like a complete idiot and all the hardware works out of the box
[14:32] <Ninjara> Well, thanks.  I'm gonna go eat and try this out.
[14:33] <ActionParsnip> ForgeAus: to me its just overpriced hardware with an ok OS
[14:34] <ForgeAus> whats PTC wildfire?
[14:34] <|-phreak-|> yo!
[14:35] <ActionParsnip> ForgeAus: CAD software
[14:35] <ActionParsnip> hi |-phreak-|
[14:41] <|-phreak-|> anyone can help me?
[14:42] <|-phreak-|> with kubuntu: mysql+odbc+eclipse+tomcat+subversion
[14:45] <|-phreak-|> guys! anyone?
[14:47] <RurouniJones> kopete
[14:47] <|-phreak-|> this aint help center irc?
[14:47] <RurouniJones> whoops, too fast for the run command
[14:47] <ghostcube> |-phreak-|: sup?
[14:47] <|-phreak-|> yo man
[14:47] <RurouniJones> !ask
[14:47] <|-phreak-|> need help
[14:47] <|-phreak-|> cheers
[14:48] <jussi01> !weekend
[14:48] <jussi01> heh
[14:49] <ghostcube> |-phreak-|: whta is the problrm
[14:49] <ghostcube> outvh
[14:49] <ghostcube> eh?
[14:49] <ghostcube> my keyboard semms jidding
[14:49] <ghostcube> eh ?
[14:49] <BluesKaj> !patience
[14:50] <jussi01> !weekend
[14:50] <ghostcube> this eh is for me :D i dont get wat the hell is going on with my keyboard
[14:50] <ghostcube> lol
[14:52] <|-phreak-|> can someone help me out to set up a web development environment on kubuntu?
[14:52] <|-phreak-|> can someone help me out to set up a web development environment on kubuntu?
[14:54] <|-phreak-|> can someone help me out to set up a web development environment on kubuntu?
[14:54] <|-phreak-|> can someone help me out to set up a web development environment on kubuntu?
[14:54] <ghostcube> |-phreak-|: ^^ this womt speed up thr hrlp
[14:54] <ghostcube> damn keyboard
[14:54] <|-phreak-|> :/
[14:55] <Freku> his question is too broad to answer
[14:55] <BluesKaj> |-phreak-| , stop it
[14:55] <ghostcube> i know this is heavy
[14:55] <ghostcube> too many tools
[14:55] <ghostcube> :|
[14:55] <BluesKaj> !patience
[14:55] <|-phreak-|> no man
[14:55] <|-phreak-|> just help
[14:55] <Freku> 1st what you want to develop
[14:55] <|-phreak-|> ive som questions
[14:55] <Freku> html
[14:55] <|-phreak-|> thats all
[14:55] <Freku> php
[14:55] <|-phreak-|> html, jsp, mysql
[14:56] <|-phreak-|> and may be ml
[14:56] <|-phreak-|> xml too
[14:56] <|-phreak-|> now downloading eclipse
[14:56] <ghostcube> have u tried quantas for php and html
[14:56] <ghostcube> :-?
[14:56] <Freku> ok
[14:56] <|-phreak-|> no no wanna use eclipse man
[14:56] <aanderse> |
[14:56] <|-phreak-|> the mother of all IDEs
[14:56] <Freku> so you dont need help
[14:56] <Freku> :)
[14:56] <|-phreak-|> dood... please :)
[14:57] <aanderse> |-phreak-|: you're developing html, jsp, mysql, and xml... you don't even need an ide, crack open a frikkin text editor
[14:57] <zipper> i cannot install the firmware/restricted drivers for my bcm4300 chip. http://downloads.openwrt.org/sources/wl_apsta-3.130.20.0.o doest exist anymore it seems. Anyone got that file, or know of another place where i can download it?
[14:57] <RurouniJones> Lets not turn this into a IDE/Editor war
[14:57] <|-phreak-|> need help on how to set up mysql, plus connector (odbc) plus, tomcat and svn
[14:57] <ghostcube> oracle ?
[14:57] <ghostcube> omg
[14:57] <RurouniJones> sudo apt-get install mysql svn
[14:57] <|-phreak-|> no man
[14:58] <|-phreak-|> not oracle
[14:58] <jussi01> |-phreak-|: start with installing eclipse - have you done that yet?
[14:58] <RurouniJones> sudo apt-get install eclipse mysql svn rather
[14:58] <|-phreak-|> installed eclipse-jee-ganymede-linu-gtk.tar.gz for web development
[14:58] <ghostcube> eh ?
[14:58] <|-phreak-|> i know the sudo apt get shit man stop it
[14:58] <jussi01> |-phreak-|: Watch the language please
[14:59] <BluesKaj> !language | |-phreak-|
[14:59] <ghostcube> |-phreak-|: this is not an quakenet chan so please may watch the words :)
[14:59] <|-phreak-|> god...
[14:59] <|-phreak-|> ok
[14:59] <|-phreak-|> easy
[14:59] <|-phreak-|> so need help man
[14:59] <|-phreak-|> that is all
[14:59] <|-phreak-|> you guys are not helping
[15:00] <|-phreak-|> just making caos on me
[15:00] <RurouniJones> Welp, /ignore it is then
[15:00] <ghostcube> we get this already , u not asking somehow the real prob
[15:00] <ghostcube> :|
[15:00] <ghostcube> i never used the tools soi scnt help
[15:00] <jussi01> |-phreak-|: install eclipse, svn, and mysql - like RurouniJones said
[15:00] <ghostcube> :| and in the next seconds i will throw this damn keyboard out of my window
[15:00] <merk-> hello all
[15:01] <Freku> open window 1st
[15:01] <merk-> i have an asus aspire 5315 laptop and i'm trying to get my wlan working
[15:01] <ghostcube> oh thx
[15:01] <|-phreak-|> dood downloading and installing is nothing
[15:01] <ghostcube> what then ?
[15:01] <|-phreak-|> just need a good guide to configure
[15:01] <|-phreak-|> the stuff
[15:02] <|-phreak-|> any known links? tutorials? guides?
[15:02] <merk-> the wlan card is atheros 802.11 and it says it's in restricted drivers
[15:02] <ghostcube> have u tried google only to ask firmly
[15:02] <jussi01> |-phreak-|: the eclipse website has very good doccumentation
[15:02] <|-phreak-|> just dont want to make it by try try try
[15:02] <merk-> the drivers are enabled but the knetworkmanager doesn't still show any wlan's available
[15:02] <|-phreak-|> ok ill check it out
[15:02] <merk-> and my wlan is visible and open to use
[15:02] <ghostcube> !wlan
[15:03] <bazhang> http://www.eclipse.org/documentation/ |-phreak-|
[15:11] <haakonn_> i asked this in #kde, but was directed here: i have recently switched to kde4 from kde3. one of the major pains is that i don't know how i can tell the automounter where i want my removable disks' mountpoints to be. in kde3 i could open a dialog and put in /media/foo for a specific disk, and that disk would from then on be mounted there. with kde4 i have no control and i have to fiddle with stupid symlinks if i want a static path to the fi
[15:11] <RurouniJones> !kde4
[15:11] <haakonn_> thanks :)
[15:11] <RurouniJones> haakonn_: Try the channel mentioned there. Sorry to redirect you again :)
[15:12] <haakonn_> i'm a patient guy, no problem ;)
[15:12] <juho_> ok, that wlan help didn't do any good
[15:12] <juho_> it says that all the drivers are present and the knetworkmanager is installed properly
[15:14] <merk-> does it matter in this business that the wlan card is working under proprietary drivers?
[15:15] <merk-> !wlan
[15:25] <khpelwak_> hi everyone
[15:29] <indi> hi
[15:29] <mars_> ?
[15:34] <RurouniJones> !java
[15:35] <RurouniJones> What are the potential pitfalls of having Java5 AND Java6 on one machine?
[15:38] <tdn> How do I get on with this problem: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/43858 I cannot get the drivers for my Ralink USB Wireless network adaptor to work properly. I suspect a bug in the kernel image provided by Ubuntu mirrors. Please help me on this.
[15:43] <BluesKaj> !wireless | tdn
[15:44] <romunov> hum, where did my window bar go?
[15:44] <tdn> BluesKaj, did you read the URL? This does really not help me. I have already read that page and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/RalinkRT73 (the page it links to)
[15:47] <bibstha> how do i share a folder
[15:48] <bibstha> like two different users can access a common folder transparently
[15:48] <bibstha> with read write modify
[15:48] <bibstha> ?
[15:50] <Dragnslcr> bibstha- could create a group with those two users and set the ownership of that directory to the group
[15:53] <bibstha> Dragnslcr what will happen if i write inside that directory
[15:53] <bibstha> will the subdirectory have same group as the parent directory?
[15:55] <RurouniJones> !eclipse
[15:55] <RurouniJones> How do you get package info from the bot again?
[15:56] <bazhang> !info eclipse
[16:02] <RurouniJones> Thanks bazhang
[16:07] <RurouniJones> How can I find where apt-get installed the jre5 binaries?
[16:07] <RurouniJones> all I can see are the jre6 ones.
[16:09] <aotianlong>  /usr/lib
[16:10] <DarkShinigami> Why does Kopete keep disconnecting from Yahoo, then when I try to login again, I get "Error 1: NS Name Lookup Failed"
[16:10] <ForgeAus> I guess you could go to sun or use apt:/ for edgy in your browser to find older packages
[16:10] <ForgeAus> not sure how to get the deb's that way tho
[16:11] <ForgeAus> also not sure why you'd want jre5 but then who am I to tell a user what they need?
[16:12] <ForgeAus> edgy or feisty were probably jre5 I guess
[16:12] <RurouniJones> Maybe because a Java app I have to use doesn't play nicely with JRE6
[16:12] <zipper> What happend to "http://downloads.openwrt.org/sources/wl_apsta-3.130.20.0.o" ? I'm pretty sure that file existed earlier today, but now its nowhere to be found which renders my wireless chip useless (broadcom bcm4300) =/. So if anyone know of anywhere else where i can download that file, it would be much appriciated
[16:12] <jussi01> RurouniJones: just do dkpg -L package name
[16:13] <ForgeAus> sounds good enough to me
[16:13] <ForgeAus> wow openwrt? ... why not ddwrt?
[16:13] <RurouniJones> Cheers jussi01
[16:13] <jussi01> RurouniJones: no probs :)
[16:14] <RurouniJones> Splendid, that did the trick
[16:16] <zipper> ForgeAus: talking to me?
[16:16] <ForgeAus> yeah
[16:16] <zipper> dunno, the script for fwcutter uses the openwrt url
[16:17] <ForgeAus> ok I dunno aynthign about fwcutter and since its a wireless chip not a router it probably makes lots more sense
[16:17] <zipper> got in touch with an admin on openwrt, file should be there again now
[16:17] <zipper> =D
[16:18] <dolo> hello
[16:18] <ForgeAus> hey dolo :)
[16:18] <dolo> hows it goin forge
[16:18] <ForgeAus> uh... slowly
[16:19] <dolo> lol
[16:19] <dolo> do u know is kubuntu and ubuntu realy that differnt
[16:20] <zipper> dolo: no, not "really" different. Its basicly the same system, but with different window managers. That said, kubuntu isn't always as polished as ubuntu, but its close
[16:20] <dolo> well i was wondering i used to use windows and there was this thing called task manager
[16:21] <dolo> like if an app starts messing up i can end process
[16:21] <dolo> is there something like that for ubuntu?
[16:21] <zipper> 'ps aux' shows you a list of processes. Then you can use 'kill' to terminate processes
[16:21] <dolo> last night google earth locked up and i had to unplug my pc to stop it
[16:22] <dolo> when it locks up how do i start ps aux
[16:22] <zipper> or you could use 'htop' too i guess, havent too much experience with it, but i'd imagine so
[16:22] <zipper> hmm, you were not even able to open a terminal (konsole)?
[16:23] <zipper> if not, ctrl+alt+f1 should bring you to the console. You'll find the graphical interface at ctrl+alt+f7
[16:27] <ForgeAus> what can cause bootup to hang?
[16:27] <ForgeAus> after (or perhaps even during) an fsck of /dev/sdb3 it always hangs...
[16:27] <ForgeAus> I can press ctrl+alt+delete to fix it
[16:28] <dolo> uhh
[16:28] <dolo> ctrl f1
[16:28] <dolo> brought me to text prompt
[16:28] <dolo> coudlnt get back
[16:29] <dolo> had to restart the power strip
[16:29] <Guest85136> hey anyone know how to use the lastest flash player
[16:31] <elvalentin> kennt einer nen nvidia treiber für kubuntuẞ
[16:32] <ghostcube> ??
[16:32] <ghostcube> nvidia-glx-new
[16:32] <elvalentin> auf nvidia pageẞ
[16:32] <ghostcube> !de
[16:34] <jgedeon> can anyone tell me how to configure my monitor in KDE4 since the refresh rates were not found.
[16:35] <mentalcic> hi
[16:37] <aotianlong> hi
[16:38] <ana> a
[16:39] <ana> What is this?:S
[16:39] <bazhang> kubuntu OS support ana
[16:45] <mentalcic> how to change resolution on konsoles (Ctrl+Alt+Fx) and does it have to do anything with KDE crashing when trying to return to it (Ctrl+Alt+F7)?
[16:56] <mentalcic> hi
[16:56] <mentalcic> any one alive here /
[16:56] <mentalcic> ?
[16:56] <ForgeAus> zzzZZZZZzzzz
[16:56] <ForgeAus> uh wha? no
[16:57] <mentalcic> how to change resolution in konsoles?
[16:57] <mentalcic> I mean virtual terminals
[17:04] <neWbie> is there a chess client for linux?
[17:05] <ForgeAus> agh how do I unfix what fsck does to a disk? I should know better than to use it to fix things :(
[17:06] <ForgeAus> exactly 1.2 gig of fsck files in my root directory now (files that were functional before it tried to "Fix" things
[17:06] <ForgeAus> oddly it seems to know what the file types are but not their names
[17:07] <WaSTe[bRe]> i installed kbfx, and when i try to install theme i click apply and nothing happends
[17:09] <WaSTe[bRe]> i installed kbfx, and when i try to install theme i click apply and nothing happends
[17:11] <MitsuoDeshoDesho> some of my ttys got messed up.. showing stange characters all over the screen
[17:15] <Wicked> is it safe to install kubuntu-kde4-desktop alongside normal kde?
[17:21] <bazhang> Wicked, yes
[17:22] <jussi01> Wicked: I answered your question before? did you miss it?
[17:22] <jussi01> Wicked: (in #kubuntu-kde4)
[17:24] <Wicked> jussi01, yea. i had a power outage last night while i was sleep.
[17:25] <Wicked> but thanks for th info!
[17:25] <alejandro_> buenas
[17:25] <alejandro_> a todos
[17:26] <alejandro_> sabeis alguna sala especifica para novatos
[17:26] <cojones_> does kubuntu have anything so that GTK apps look smoother in KDE?
[17:28] <BluesKaj> tdn, not sure what your question is. I was away for a while.
[17:28] <shadewind> if i install kubuntu kde4 and later want to upgrade to an official version with kde4, is that easy to do?
[17:29] <jussi01> shadewind: please ask in #kubuntu-kde4 :)
[17:29] <shadewind> oh!
[17:37] <dthacker> Hi,  I'm looking for recomendations for a Bayesian spam filter to work with Kontact.  What package would you recommend?
[17:40] <Tm_T> dthacker: spamassassin and bogofilter?
[18:00] <mcscruff> lo all, i have just installed google earth but every time i start it, it crashs X, does anyone know a fix
[18:01] <aotianlong> logs?
[18:02] <mcscruff> x restarts so i dont see them
[18:02] <Guest25491> hej
[18:02] <Guest25491> hey
[18:03] <Guest25491> How can I install s\srivers to nVidia 8400GS M, I use kubuntu 8.04
[18:03] <aotianlong> maybe the video card driver
[18:04] <aotianlong> google earth need 3d
[18:18] <TimS> Does ~.thumbnails belong to knoqueror?
[18:18] <TimS> Its taking up 500mb, I was wondering if it was safe to clear, it has hundreds of old files I never look at anymore.
[18:21] <lex> guys i screwed up and i need your precious help: regarding kdm: i installed a theme manager, selected a theme for my kdm. it worked fine two times. and now, when kdm starts, it sais: welcome to bla bla, and shows me the hideous no theme style! how  to fix this?
[18:22] <raemon> test
[18:22] <lex> i think i need to find a config file for kdm and change the value for the theme...
[18:24] <lex> please help
[18:24] <raemon> ~/.kde  ?
[18:24] <lex> "/etc/kde3/kdm" ?
[18:25] <lex> should i dele these files, so theme manager displays the theme instead of that appears to be a login manager setup?
[18:26] <lex> in kcontrol there are two things for login manager: login manager and kdm theme manager. i want a theme manager to manage themes.
[18:31] <arthursoma> Hola buen día
[18:32] <jussi01> !es
[18:33] <supertux_> hola
[18:33] <Fabio> salve
[18:34] <Fabio> qualcuno saprebbe dirmi con che tasti si fa il log off in kubuntu?
[18:34] <guzman> hola
[18:34] <Fabio> qualcuno saprebbe dirmi con che tasti si fa il log off in kubuntu?
[18:34] <Fabio> ciao Guzman
[18:35] <Fabio> c'e nessuno?
[18:35] <ninuuz> Hi ! my kde crashes then i try to save a document, do any of you guys know why ? (openoffice)
[18:36] <Fabio> ninuuz, I don't know, you know what are the button I have to press to do a logoff?
[18:37] <ninuuz> what do you mean?
[18:38] <Fabio> like a restart, it's to save parametres i've changed in my kubuntu
[18:38] <ninuuz> oh, i do not happen to know that.
[18:38] <Fabio> ok, thank you so
[18:39] <Fabio> but just an information, this is the english channel of kubuntu?
[18:46] <zipper> If you are in an area with so many wireless networks available that knetworkmanager has to use 2 columns to show them all, it stops displaying the signal strenght of them all. Any way to fix this?
[18:48] <MitsuoDeshoDesho> i've built qt4.4 today, where can i find my .profile file?
[18:48] <MitsuoDeshoDesho> it says i need to edit it
[18:49] <jussi01> MitsuoDeshoDesho: no idea, but you do realise 4.4 is in hardy backports?
[18:49] <volty> what's the size of kubuntu with lot of apps (about) ?
[18:50] <jussi01> volty: well.... kinda hard to say, 2-5 gb?
[18:50] <jussi01> depends on the apps..
[18:50] <jussi01> could be more...
[18:50] <Dragnslcr> My / partition is using 6 GB
[18:51] <jussi01> there you are
[18:51] <volty> so 5 should be enough, now have 3, ok, 6 thx :0
[18:51] <Dragnslcr> Having both KDE3 and KDE4 is probably a fair chunk of that
[18:51] <zipper> 2,6gb on a fresh install with only a few extra drivers and firefox installed
[18:51] <zipper> i'd say 10gb should be pretty safe.... it sucks running out of space
[18:51] <Dragnslcr> My /home partition is 75 GB
[18:51] <mcscruff> lol
[18:52] <mcscruff> dont download so much then
[18:52] <MitsuoDeshoDesho> my partition is 15gb, mostly used up by libs with debug
[18:52] <MitsuoDeshoDesho> such as boost/qt
[18:52] <zipper> i got a NTFS partition for storage.... can't use a proper filesystem since i need to access it from windows too =/
[18:52] <volty> yap, asking only for progs, vars, tmp, etc.
[18:57] <manuel_> hi
[18:58] <manuel_> how can i play with mplayer from minute 1.30 to minute 2.34 in loop mode?
[18:58] <manuel_> thx
[18:59] <volty> fstab syntax accepts /dev/hdc... ?
[19:00] <zipper> volty:
[19:00] <zipper> hmm?
[19:00] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[19:00] <zipper> i think there is a guide for setting up fstab on ubuntu forums
[19:00] <jussi01> !fstab
[19:01] <ActionParsnip> hey jussi01
[19:01] <volty> never mind, just a question, i saw it uses blkid identifiers
[19:02] <jussi01> heya ActionParsnip
[19:02] <accesso> salve
[19:02] <accesso> scusate il nome, devo cambiarlo...
[19:03] <volty> zipper: just asking if it accepts /dev/hd syntax, it is so difficult to answer ?
[19:03] <zipper> volty, i dunno, is it difficult to ask without being condecendent or expecting people to be able to read your mind?
[19:03] <accesso> ops, hem... how i can go to the italian channel of kubuntu?
[19:03] <ign0ramus> !it | accesso
[19:04] <accesso> thank
[19:04] <ign0ramus> np.  ciao!
[19:06] <zipper> volty, man fstab
[19:07] <volty> zipper: sorry, i wasn't clear, my question was probably stupid, was just asking if kubuntu forces to use blkid identifiers, do not need to read man fstab
[19:07] <volty> thx.!
[19:08] <zipper> volty, no such thing as a stupid question
[19:08] <zipper> but as you say, you werent being very clear. Wasnt sure what your question was. But im glad you found your answer none the less
[19:09] <volty> thanks boy you have a nice place here to exercise :)
[19:09] <volty> or :(
[19:09] <giuseppe_> SALVE RAGAZZI
[19:09] <giuseppe_> hops scusate il maiusc
[19:10] <zipper> I find the gym to be a much better place to exercise than irc =P
[19:10] <volty> but you cannot fight frustration in gym
[19:11] <jussi01> !it | giuseppe_
[19:12] <volty> i'm not used to irc very much, but noticed that nice guys answer or ignore, just frusty give indications like reading the base docs
[19:13] <zipper> volty, let me give you a hint: When you talk down to the people you are asking for help, you usually dont get a good result
[19:13] <zipper> and the answer IS where i said it was, so why are you bitching?
[19:16] <volty> i'm going to boot sometimes with gentoo & sometimes with kubuntu, .kde on a shared partition ?
[19:19] <ActionParsnip> volty: kde is a desktop environment. how do yuo get it on a shared environment
[19:20] <RurouniJones> he said .kde ...the config directory
[19:20] <ActionParsnip> oh yeah, fuzzy eye, my bad
[19:20] <ActionParsnip> i keep my ~/ on a seperate server. makes backups easier
[19:20] <volty> ActionParsnip: same pc, i have to migrate
[19:21] <volty> slowly
[19:22] <volty> i have all the relevant stuff on another partition though no ~/ (symlinks)
[19:22] <volty> ok, i'll try
[19:25] <reut> hello. i need help with disk on key connection
[19:27] <ciapsadm> Salutare!
[19:27] <ActionParsnip> volty: same deal
[19:28] <reut> hello. can anyone please help me ?
[19:30] <zipper> !ask
[19:31] <reut> when i connect a usb to my kubuntu i have a pop up that say that the device is connected. but when i try to access into the device i cant read any of the folders and the files i see only ??????? as names. in other systems i can read the files (they are in hebrew) thanks
[19:33] <ActionParsnip> reut: if you run sudo fdisk -l do you see the card?
[19:34] <reut> yes i can see the card
[19:34] <ActionParsnip> reut: ok run mount
[19:34] <volty> reut: do you have installed hebrew support in your kubuntu ?
[19:34] <ActionParsnip> is it mounted?
[19:35] <reut> i have installed hebrew support. i can create new files and folder (on my hd) in hebrew. but on the external drive i cant.
[19:35] <Denise> israel
[19:36] <reut> i'm sorry for my english. the external drive is formated to fat32.
[19:36] <volty> what is the file system of that stick ?
[19:36] <reut> i tried it with 2 different drives  and it's the same
[19:37] <volty> :: /dev/hdaX /mnt/foo vfat umask=0111,dmask=0,codepage=862,iocharset=iso8859-8,rw,users 0 0
[19:38] <volty> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HebrewLocalizationHowto
[19:39] <ActionParsnip> volty: nice one
[19:39] <tindor_> volty, but how does reut specify this usb-stick to be always mounted with that charset?
[19:41] <volty> there seems to be a link that explains, if no solution i could opt for a simple script
[19:41] <reut> tindor its not that specific stick its all the sticks that in fat32
[19:42] <tindor_> thanks, I didn't see the link :)
[19:42] <volty> tindor_: if manually mounting it simple as /mnt/hebrew_stick
[19:42] <volty> ahah
[19:42] <tindor_> reut, if I were to give my stick, it would be encoded in cp-1251
[19:43] <volty> i would change the filesystem
[19:43] <tindor_> volty, I know how to mount it manually. I don't know how to do it using GUI :)
[19:43] <reut> maybe it's in cp-1251. i'll check. thank you all/ i'll read the link volty gave and i'll be back soon
[19:43] <tindor_> reut, no, it's not in cp1251
[19:43] <tindor_> cp-1251 is Cyrillic
[19:44] <volty> i have some nice russian music with all the names like ?????? :)
[19:45] <tindor_> volty, convmv did the job for me :)
[19:45] <tindor_> it converts file names from one encoding to another
[19:46] <volty> i'll try it
[19:46] <volty> do you know what's the state of dvd creation in linux
[19:46] <volty> any nice apps to make dvds arround ?
[19:47] <volty> (and handles subtitles etc)
[19:47] <tindor_> no, I haven't created dvds in Linux :(
[19:48] <favro> devede gets good reports
[19:48] <favro> !info devede
[19:48] <reut> when i umount the external disk and mount it again using iocharset=utf8 i can read the file names. but is there any way to do it automaticly ?
[19:49] <tindor_> reut, look here : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions
[19:50] <tindor_> although I haven't read it, it's in the article, given you by volty
[19:52] <Ashex> anyone know if it is possible to include other directories for browsing via katapult
[19:54] <volty> thx favro
[19:54] <favro> np :)
[20:05] <reut> thank you very much. after the link that volty gave me i installed pysdm and easly configure the dok using gui.
[20:05] <Saloomy> hello all. Can anyone help me get compiz working on my laptop? I think i need to install GMA 950 drivers...
[20:06] <sourcemaker> is there a directory... where the oxygen icons are located?
[20:07] <Denise> lol
[20:08] <BluesKaj> Saloomy, try the #compiz-fusion chat , they have more info
[20:08] <Saloomy> oh, cool! Thanks BlueKaj
[20:08] <BluesKaj> sourcemaker, on the anode
[20:10] <sourcemaker> BluesKaj: that's the answer I am looking for...
[20:11] <BluesKaj> no sourcemaker , i was being funny ...maybe not so funny at that
[20:11] <jussi01> sourcemaker: sudo updatedb && locate oxygen
[20:11] <sourcemaker> jussi01: thanks
[20:11] <jussi01> :)
[20:11] <Denise> oxygen
[20:13] <sourcemaker> BluesKaj:  /usr/lib/kde4/share/icons/oxygen :-)
[20:13] <jussi01> sourcemaker: glad you found it :)
[20:15] <BluesKaj> sourcemaker, whatever "oxygen" is, I guess I'm not in the know :)
[20:16] <Tm_T> !oxygen
[20:16] <Denise> oxygen is very special program
[20:16] <BluesKaj> !info oxygen
[20:17] <sofie> About 10 seconds after loggin in to my computer everything but the wallpaper disappears from the screen and I have to make a hard rebot. Mousepointer still active, but ctrl-alt-backspace freezes computer. Running compiz on ATI graphicscard with latest drivers. Anyone who has any hints?
[20:17] <BluesKaj> xml editor
[20:17] <Denise> it is not an open source
[20:17] <jussi01> BluesKaj: oxygen is the new theme for kde4
[20:17] <Tm_T> kde-icons-oxygen - Oxygen icon theme for KDE 4
[20:17] <mefisto__> BluesKaj: oxygen is a set of icons. you can d/l the oxygen icon theme for kde3 at www.kdelook.org
[20:17] <BluesKaj> kde4 gawd ...i hope it fails
[20:18] <Tm_T> erp
[20:18] <BluesKaj> kde4 is a big mistake IMO
[20:19] <Denise> oh
[20:19] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: ot ->
[20:19] <Denise> big mistake then
[20:19] <Denise> open souce
[20:19] <Denise> source
[20:19] <Denise> wide open
[20:20] <Tm_T> Denise: #kubuntu-offtopic please
[20:20] <Denise> sry
[20:23] <anom01y> how do I configure my tv tuner card ?
[20:25] <jussi01> !tv | anom01y
[20:26] <BluesKaj> anom01y, depends on the make and model ...ati tv cards seem to work ok with the TVTime app
[20:26] <anom01y> !IVTV
[20:26] <anom01y> that was what I used before
[20:28] <SkEmO> i cant watch videos as in youtube, what do I do? i already installed sun-java6-jre
[20:28] <BluesKaj> SkEmO, install flashplugin-nonfree
[20:29] <SkEmO> oh
[20:29] <BluesKaj> SkEmO, and you'll need to Open Adept package manager, On the menu of that screen click on Adept -> Manage Repositories. Click the kubuntu software tab. Check all the boxes "X". The same goes for the third party software tab. Close, then in the terminal do "sudo apt-get update" .Now you have more sources for applications other than the defaults that came with Kubuntu.
[20:29] <SkEmO> right, i knew i was missing something, thanks BluesKaj
[20:30] <SkEmO> :O
[20:30] <SkEmO> i didnt know that
[20:31] <BluesKaj> SkEmO, it's not included in kubuntu default apps for legal reasons
[20:31] <favro> !repos
[20:35] <SkEmO> hmm
[20:36] <SkEmO> i already have the flashplugin-nonfree installed
[20:36] <SkEmO> but, cant see videos
[20:37] <ign0ramus> skemo: have you restarted your browser?
[20:38] <anom01y> BluesKaj: its a Hauppauge
[20:38] <ign0ramus> anom01y: how's your alsa issue?
[20:38] <SkEmO> i think so
[20:38] <SkEmO> but, im restarting again
[20:38] <anom01y> ign0ramus: I think its working better now!
[20:39] <anom01y> thanks
[20:39] <ign0ramus> anom01y: good!  i think it was definitely switching sound cards without reconfiguring alsa that was your problem
[20:39] <anom01y> except when I run alsa force-reload, and then kmix, I get a different mixer setting every time I do that
[20:40] <ign0ramus> anom01y: what causes you to do that anyway?
[20:40] <anom01y> I think a flash video on youtube crashed the sound, but that fixed it no prob
[20:40] <anom01y> I find youtube and firefox crash the computer lots
[20:41] <ign0ramus> anom01y: flash has a pretty high crash rate for all of us
[20:41] <anom01y> well, not lots, but they are the only things that do crash my computer
[20:41] <ign0ramus> anom01y: i find it's a little better with Flash10 RC than with Flash 9
[20:41] <anom01y> how do I install flash10 ?
[20:42] <ign0ramus> anom01y: http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/
[20:42] <ign0ramus> anom01y: it also supports wmode and V4L2 (webcams) now too!
[20:42] <anom01y> ahh cool
[20:43] <anom01y> hey do you know much about IVTV ?
[20:43] <ign0ramus> anom01y: honestly, not a thing :(
[20:43] <anom01y> ok
[20:43] <anom01y> I found instrutions so I will just follow them best as possilbe thanks
[20:44] <ign0ramus> anom01y: check here: http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Main_Page
[20:45] <ign0ramus> skemo: you still here?
[20:45] <SkEmO> yes
[20:45] <SkEmO> its working now
[20:45] <ign0ramus> SkEmO:   :)
[20:45] <SkEmO> i think
[20:45] <ign0ramus> SkEmO: either it works or it doesn't...
[20:45] <cosmofield> how can I run a shell script automatic at boot without enter root password? In wich folder should I put the file?
[20:46] <anom01y> ign0ramus: do I have to install that flash 10 for both users ?
[20:46] <DarkShinigami> Error 1 - name lookup failed
[20:46] <ign0ramus> anom01y: yes.  I'm almost positive, anyway.  it installs to /home/username/.mozilla
[20:46] <DarkShinigami> I keep getting this error message with Kopete when I try to reconnect with Yahoo
[20:46] <chx> hi. i have created an installer on a stick from the alternate iso loosely based on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuServerFlashDriveInstaller and now it complains at the install the base system step that it can't determine the release. where does it try finding the release? how can I debug this? It's quiite a bit frustrating :(
[20:48] <DarkShinigami> Is anyone else having that same issue with Kopete?
[20:48] <neptunepink> Are the repos down for everyone or just me?
[20:49] <SkEmO> i never knew how to connect with kopete
[20:49] <SkEmO> there is just no connect option
[20:50] <marcobxbro1> if i want to configure example dnswalk on my kde menu edit how can i make it execute command:? work path? run in terminal:? can someone assist me
[21:03] <testi_> Which tool do you recommend to record videos from webcam?
[21:07] <mrxmike>  i added a extension cable to my monitor, now it doesnt detect the right resolution anymore
[21:07] <mrxmike> i added a 'modeline' rule to my xorg.conf, but that doesnt seem to have any result
[21:08] <mrxmike> could anyone please help me configure my monitor (for use without DPMS)? > i got a stinky cable
[21:10] <mrxmike> ?
[21:12] <DarkShinigami> This is the error with Kopete when I try to reconnect to Yahoo "Error 1 - name lookup has failed"
[21:14] <anom01y> !ivtv
[21:15] <neptunepink> DarkShinigami: Yahoo changed is protocol or something, I think...
[21:16] <DarkShinigami> neptunepink: Know where I can get updated information?
[21:17] <neptunepink> No idea.
[21:17] <pteague> is there a program i can run from the command line & get it to play a sound?
[21:18] <neptunepink> mplayer? ogg123? I think they have to be installed though
[21:22] <anom01y> hi, I am trying to install ivtv and on the instructions page I am told to run this command: "sudo m-a a-i ivtv", I ran all the commands prior to this with no problems, but this command gives me an error saying a certain file does not exist, when in fact it does exist
[21:22] <favro> pteague: aplay will play a .wav file from command line - aplay -l will tell the sound card it uses to do so
[21:23] <pteague> k, ty
[21:23] <unclean> hey if i have a Geforce 2 MX 100/200 which card in Hardy should I use?
[21:23] <pteague> mplayer works, but plays it much too loud... looking through man file to see if i can set volume
[21:24] <unclean> which driver i should say
[21:24] <deokanon> intelikey are yuo hereÉ
[21:24] <favro> unclean: it will default to the nv driver for that card afaik
[21:25] <favro> pteague: alsamixer   will let you change volume too
[21:25] <funkyou> hi there! i have a Lenovo N200 here and Kubuntu 8.04.1-desktop, and the bootmenu on the CD just starts nothing... any ideas or tips?
[21:25] <unclean> well videos in youtube get real choppy
[21:26] <pteague> i just need to set it for the 1 file... kteatime doesn't seem to want to play audio & just running `mplayer file:///usr/share/sounds/KDE_Notify.wav` is way too loud
[21:27] <favro> pteague: type   alsamixer   it will let you turn it down
[21:28] <unclean> favro: videos in youtube are realy choppy i know its my grfx card... it just says nv
[21:28] <pteague> doesn't alsamixer set the volume for the entire system?
[21:28] <favro> pteague: yep
[21:29] <favro> unclean: you could try the nvidia driver in the repo
[21:30] <BuG3R> добрый вечер
[21:30] <BuG3R> всем
[21:30] <BuG3R> есть тут кто? кто смогбы помочь, или даже побеседовать
[21:31] <favro> !ru
[21:31] <jussi01> !ru
[21:31] <BuG3R> суппер!
[21:31] <favro> :)
[21:34] <anom01y> I am trying to set up my tv tuner card, but I can't get mplayer /dev/video0 to display anything
[21:35] <anom01y> the instructions on the !ivtv link did not work
[21:35] <DavidTalbot1> hiho, i try out 8.10 a5 and after fixing a symbolic link problem with ifupdown, i doesn't get the connection in the outer space ;) i can ping and surf on my local server but everything else doesn't work
[21:35] <DavidTalbot1> any ideas?
[21:36] <DavidTalbot1> iptables has no rules defined
[21:36] <cilkay> Hello. I have a fresh installation of Kubuntu Hardy on a Dell 745c. After all the updates have been applied, on reboot, all I see is a black screen when it attempts to restart X. I can't Ctrl-Alt-Bs. Num/caps lock don't have any effect. I can't ssh into the box. The only thing I can do is power cycle the machine and then reconfigure X but that only worked once. Now that doesn't work either. Any ideas?
[21:37] <cilkay> The graphics chipset is Intel Q965
[21:37] <favro> DavidTalbot1: you might have more luck asking in #ubuntu+1
[21:37] <cilkay> I want to deploy this in a school where I'm trying to replace Windows but I can't do that if I have such strange problems.
[21:38] <DavidTalbot1> @cilkay do you see a loading picture while starting?
[21:38] <cilkay> no
[21:39] <cilkay> The power light on the monitor is green, indicating video signal.
[21:39] <cilkay> DavidTalbot1: Actually, I started in rescue mode so I wouldn't expect to see the bootsplash, if that's what you were asking.
[21:40] <cilkay> The kernel is 2.6.24-19 generic, in case that makes a difference.
[21:41] <cilkay> And I am seeing the kubuntu graphic while it's booting.
[21:41] <cilkay> Aargh! This time, kdm started.
[21:41] <cilkay> Very annoying.
[21:41] <DavidTalbot1> no not realy i've got similar problems on my laptop disable the bootsplash in menu.lst and it should work
[21:43] <cilkay> The only consequence of that is that people would see the "scary" boot time messages.
[21:43] <cilkay> Not a big deal I suppose but why is this happening I wonder.
[21:43] <cilkay> I've never seen such problems and I've seen it on more than one distro.
[21:43] <cilkay> openSuse 11 had the same problems.
[21:44] <pteague> well crap... trying to run mplayer causes kteatime to die & hang as a dead thread
[21:44] <DavidTalbot1> if i remember right there was a change in bootsplash mode and for some screens it now didn't work
[21:44] <DavidTalbot1> maybe it'll better in the next versions
[21:48] <pteague> ah, there we go... had to add a & to the end of the command >.>
[21:50] <nighty> hi
[21:51] <nighty> is there an repository for openoffice 3 (beta) yet? Or do i really need to use the package from the developerpage?
[21:52] <ciapsadm> DoruHush: acuma merge
[21:52] <ciapsadm> Nu am modificat bine
[21:52] <ciapsadm> Iera si $
[21:53] <favro> !info openoffice.org
[22:00] <nighty> ubottu: this is 2.4.1 i think?
[22:01] <nighty> i need the beta of ooo 3 for integratig roxtra features
[22:01] <stdin> nighty: it's not in the repositories, so you'll have to get it some other way
[22:02] <nighty> stdin: ok no problem, i thought there might be a repository for better updating puposes. So i will get it from the developer page.
[22:02] <nighty> thx
[22:06] <nighty> but i have another question, until now i only used gentoo linux, there was a tool in kde which seached for installed application (on demand) to complete the kmenu, is there something similar in kubuntu too?
[22:07] <Vermux> I boot my comp. with slackware 10. I have to edit boot.ini of win. how do I do that?
[22:07] <Vermux> my win wont boot
[22:07] <Vermux> Im running slackware from a cd
[22:07] <favro> nighty: I use sudo update-menus in konsole for that
[22:07] <nighty> favro: ahh ok thx i check this out
[22:07] <Vermux> I dont have kubuntu on  a CD only dvd, and my comp. has only CD drive
[22:08] <stdin> nighty: the package manager in Kubuntu is called Adept, you can access it from KMenu -> System -> Adept Manager
[22:09] <favro> Vermux: there is ##slackware - they will know the tools available better
[22:09] <nighty> Vermux: you can use every linux cd which supports your windows filesystem und has an editor
[22:10] <nighty> maybe you need ntfs-3g
[22:10] <favro> and mount the partition with windows on it
[22:11] <nighty> writable
[22:17] <saloomy> can anyone help with ALPS touchpad drivers? my touchpad taps like mad.
[22:17] <x-X-x> how do i check if i have usb2 ?
[22:18] <Dragnslcr> x-X-x- your motherboard's documentation, probably
[22:18] <x-X-x> dragnsclr thats in a dumpster 30 miles from my home. What i meant is how do i check using ubuntu ?
[22:20] <stdin> x-X-x: you can try doing "lspci |grep USB" and see if you get a line with "USB2" on it
[22:20] <x-X-x> k thnx dude
[22:23] <x-X-x> stdin i am using a laptop and it has 4 usb ports, "lspci | grep USB" says i have 1 usb2 port how do i knwo which one it is physically?
[22:24] <Dragnslcr> x-X-x- lspci most likely lists the USB controller, not individual ports
[22:24] <x-X-x> k
[22:24] <stdin> x-X-x: the ones with "#?" on them ar ports, there should be another line for the base controller
[22:25] <x-X-x> http://pastebin.com/d1753a44e
[22:25] <stdin> eg: http://pastebin.com/f3a1483db, the last line is the controller (USB2) the others are the individual ports (which can also act as controllers)
[22:26] <x-X-x> does that mean that all ports are usb2 ? if the controller is usb2 ?
[22:26] <stdin> x-X-x: heh, snap
[22:26] <stdin> yeah, the'll all be USB2
[22:26] <stdin> *they'll
[22:26] <x-X-x> ok thnx dude
[22:30] <uytyutjgre5yeueu> j
[22:33] <marcobxbro1> can someone help me with the kde menu editor i want to run a program for the terminal. What do I type in a Command:? Work Path:? Terminal options:
[22:37] <Walex> marcobxbro1: there should be already one or several, there are many different terminal window programs.
[22:37] <marcobxbro1> no what I need is to configure my own programs in the kde start menu
[22:38] <marcobxbro1> example dnswalk then I need to configure it to run in the kde menu editor
[22:40] <favro> marcobxbro1: you need to get the command that starts dnswalk in konsole and use it in the menu editor
[22:40] <Vermux> favro: how do I mount the win partition?
[22:42] <favro> Vermux: sudo mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 media/windows - if it is ntfs and sdb1 and /media/windows exists :)
[22:42] <favro> */media/windows
[22:44] <Vermux> favro: mount: fs type ntfs-3g not supported by kernel
[22:45] <marcobxbro1>  yes favro I this in command
[22:45] <favro> Vermux: is the windows partition ntfs?
[22:46] <Vermux> favro: yes, it should be
[22:46] <favro> Vermux: sudo fdisk -l   will tell
[22:46] <favro> Vermux: and what does   uname -r   return please - it will be the kernel number
[22:48] <favro> Vermux: sudo apt-get install ntfs-3g   will get it working
[22:48] <Vermux> favro: /dev/hda1 is hpfs/ntfs
[22:48] <Vermux> favro: 2.4.26
[22:48] <favro> k :)
[22:49] <favro> Vermux: install ntfs-3g and try to mount
[22:49] <Vermux> favro: apt: no such a directory
[22:49] <jhutchins> 2.4 kernel!?
[22:49] <Vermux> yeah
[22:50] <jhutchins> Ah, slackware 10.
[22:50] <Vermux> yeah
[22:50] <Vermux> the apt command doesnt work
[22:50] <jhutchins> Not on slack.
[22:51] <favro> Vermux: you have to ask in ##slackware for that then hehe
[22:51] <jhutchins> Vermux: what kind of hardware is it?
[22:51] <Vermux> jhutchins: ??
[22:52] <jhutchins> cpu, ram, hd?
[22:53] <jhutchins> Wondering if it's worth your effort to try to upgrade.
[22:54] <azaghal> hallo ?
[22:55] <azaghal> hi, bin neu hier und hab kein plan zum thema irc ?!
[22:55] <Vermux> jhutchins: Im not trying to upgrade
[22:55] <Vermux> Im trying to boot win
[22:55] <Vermux> I guess I have to edit the boot.ini
[22:56] <azaghal> hello ?...how i can change to the german irc support ?
[22:57] <favro> !de | azaghal
[22:57] <jimymorrison> ola tengo un problemilla
[22:57] <jimymorrison> no veo youtube
[22:57] <favro> !es
[22:57] <azaghal> thx
[22:57] <favro> !pt
[22:57] <jimymorrison> alguien me puede ayudar
[22:57] <favro> azaghal: np :)
[23:00] <jhutchins> Vermux: grub or lilo?
[23:08] <jay_> hi leute
[23:09] <jay_> Kann mir jem. mit xubuntu helfen?
[23:09] <jay_> Ich habe den Samsung r70 und würde gerne wissen was ich machen muss um die Fn-Tasten, benutzen zu können
[23:10] <jay_> also zB Helligkeitssteuerung oder Lautstärkeregelung
[23:10] <favro> !de | jay_
[23:10] <jay_> thx
[23:10] <favro> np :)
[23:10] <jay_> can i also ask in english?
[23:10] <favro> sure :)
[23:11] <jay_> i have the samsung r70
[23:11] <jay_> and o want to use the Fn-Keys
[23:11] <jay_> e.g. sound adjustment etc
[23:11] <jay_> but what do i need to use these keys
[23:11] <jay_> i am a noob @ xubuntu :-D
[23:12] <c> hello
[23:12] <jay_> hi
[23:12] <jay_> thx for help...
[23:12] <c> is this the right place to ask for some ubuntu help? :)
[23:12] <jay_> hope so
[23:13] <Guest8349> i'm interrested in how i can install the latest hardware drivers on my laptop. i just installed ubuntu
[23:13] <Guest8349> any help would be much appreciated
[23:13] <Guest8349> :)
[23:19] <Vermux> favro: Im downloading kubuntu so I can mount with it
[23:20] <favro> Vermux: we'll have a clue about helping you then :)
[23:34] <mefisto__> is it possible to set up 2 soundcards so that all inputs are working for both, but output is just from one card? I suppose a jumper cable from output1 to input2 would work, but can I enable inputs on both cards?
[23:38] <mefisto__> btw, the 2 soundcards are not the same, and use different drivers
[23:44] <wesley> how can i install apt in kubuntu
[23:44] <azaghal> hallo ?^^
[23:45] <neversfelde> wesley: should be installed by default
[23:46] <wesley> i don´t have it anymore because i wished to downgrade it
[23:47] <neversfelde> wesley: w00t? There was a big warning not to deinstall apt, or not?
[23:48] <wesley> yes but either way it was failing after trying to upgrade to the kde4 version
[23:48] <neversfelde> ? what was failing?
[23:49] <wesley> the kde4 version off adept
[23:49] <neversfelde> wesley: backup /home and reinstall Kubuntu, that's the only way to get a clean Kubuntu  installation
[23:49] <neversfelde> wesley: intrepid?
[23:49] <neversfelde> is apt really deinstalled?
[23:50] <neversfelde> do a apt-cache policy apt
[23:50] <wesley> no hardy
[23:50] <wesley> apt is already removed yes trying to reinstall it
[23:51] <neversfelde> wesley you have an development version without apt?
[23:51] <neversfelde> do a new installation, it is the better way
[23:51] <wesley> no i use hardy herron ( its a shame you can remove apt )
[23:51] <mefisto__> how are you trying to reinstall without apt?
[23:52] <neversfelde> wesley: of cource you can, but there is a big warning
[23:52] <wesley> from source
[23:52] <wesley> neversfelde a warning doesnt work that should just be impossible
[23:53] <neversfelde> wesley: why, probably somebody do not want to use it?
[23:53] <mefisto__> maybe chroot could help installing apt? boot from livecd?
[23:54] <wesley> neversfelde just because hardy should be a stable system it fails to protect the important parts and thats why osx and windows are more used that ubuntu
[23:55] <mefisto__> wesley: removing critical software from any system can be disastrous
[23:55] <neversfelde> wesley: if you want to remove apt, you have to confirm with a big written "YES", afaik
[23:56] <neversfelde> better protected than system32 or what it is called
[23:57] <mefisto__> in windows, just disabling a service from starting on boot can mean reinstalling (if it's an important service)
[23:57] <MrKennie_> I believe windows can restore critical files if they are deleted unless you delete them from cache too but I guess that's beside the point
[23:57] <wesley> neverfelde what i mean its just to easy in linux to remove something in important in windows you can reinstall everthing
[23:57] <favro> wesley: you might be lucky and   sudo dpkg -i apt   might work
[23:58] <neversfelde> Isn't there a repair function in Ubuntu?
[23:58] <wesley> not really i believe and if it depends on apt ?
[23:59] <neversfelde> I think itis on the live cd, but I cannot give a guarantee
[23:59] <favro> afaik you can get a chroot environment with the live cd - repair a brocken system - but if apt isn't working...