[00:33] <superspuck> Can someone help me out with this: http://pastebin.ca/1196001 ? wiki is a bit confusing, I'm trying to use a ladspa plugin, trying to figure out what the right syntax is for my .asoundrc
[01:31] <stuff_happens> can anyone here help me with broadcom driver issues?
[01:51] <Rakeer> hey guys, can someone tell me how to install java jre2 v5/6? I need it for compiling, but I'm having trouble finding the pkg's/pkg name..
[01:52] <favro> !java
[01:59] <Rakeer> ok I found sun-java6-jre but is that jre2?
[02:00] <favro> !info sun-java6-jre
[02:02] <Rakeer> favro, I am following this guide to compile gnashhttp://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/manual/gnashref.html#build
[02:03] <Rakeer> oops, http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/manual/gnashref.html#build
[02:04] <Rakeer> says I need JRE2, cant find it on sun, cant find the pkg..I found this, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java but wrong pkg names, and NOWHERE do I get a clear answer to what are the pkg names for jre2 v5/6 in ubuntu
[02:05] <favro> I just googled jre2 and am having a read
[02:06] <Rakeer> i found a note on javachannel.net for ubuntu but the pkg names are wrong
[02:09] <cody-somerville> yes it is
[02:09] <cody-somerville> err, sorta
[02:09] <cody-somerville> jre2 actually refers to version 5 of Java
[02:10] <cody-somerville> Just install xubuntu-restricted-extras :P
[02:10] <Rakeer> http://javachannel.net/wiki/pmwiki.php/Main/JavaOnUbuntu
[02:17] <solotim> hello group, is there anyone use empathy on xu?
[02:26] <Rakeer> cody-somerville: the whole thing? :P
[02:27] <cody-somerville> sure :-]
[02:27] <Rakeer> ...
[02:27] <cody-somerville> solotim, I don't.
[02:27] <cody-somerville> Rakeer, It has lots of other goodies you probably want anyhow
[02:29] <Rakeer> You have been invited to #stupiditypwns by Spencerical (kubrick.freenode.net)
[02:29] <Rakeer> wtf is that crap, this is a help channel
[02:38] <tjb> hi everyone. i have a p3 700mhz box with 256mb ram. you think it's powerful enough to run ubuntu server with virtualbox and run xubuntu as a web server as a virtualbox guest os? or would i be pushing the hardware a bit much?
[02:38] <tjb> i like the idea of taking snapshots of the guest os and restoring it if i do somethign stupid.
[02:46] <cody-somerville> Rakeer, sudo apt-get install xubuntu-restricted-extras
[02:47] <Rakeer> E: Couldn't find package xubuntu-restricted-extras
[02:48] <cody-somerville> Can you pastebin apt-cache policy?
[02:50] <Rakeer> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/44085/
[02:52] <cody-somerville> It was introduced in 7.10
[02:53] <cody-somerville> You're using Feisty. There has been two releases since Feisty and we're preparing for a third this October.
[02:53] <Rakeer> indeed. Im on a ps3. :P
[03:09] <cody-somerville> Rakeer, You can upgrade to Hardy
[03:12] <Rakeer> yes, I can...and I will no longer enjoy the very nice level of ubuntu experienc eon a PS3 I am getting..
[03:12] <Rakeer> have already gone that route and went back....intrepid is supposed to be much nicer
[03:12] <Rakeer> though I havent personally had time to experiment with the kernel..
[03:13] <Rakeer> everything I am doing here is to produce a .deb for all the ps3'ers to install and get full flash support in firefox
[03:15] <cody-somerville> What needs to be done to do that?
[03:18] <Rakeer> ffmpeg compiled then added to gnash source, reconf and compile
[03:22] <cody-somerville> You can't distribute that though, can you?
[03:24] <Rakeer> I have to learn to do it so I can write a complete 'noob' tutorial for others to follow on just how to compile it...
[03:24] <Rakeer> becuase no, in the u.s. at least, I can't distribute it
[03:25] <Rakeer> but I have seen those sorts of things pop up on torrents...not that I would have anything to do with that in this country
[03:25] <nbl> howdy
[03:28] <cody-somerville> Rakeer, Well, download the source code
[03:28] <cody-somerville> It is probably a compile time option
[03:29] <Rakeer> well, I'm being told I don't need it, since it use is for making doc's
[03:29] <cody-somerville> hmm?
[03:29] <Rakeer> and I don't /need/ to compile the doc's
[03:31] <Rakeer> I'm following the gnash guide, and it doesn't make too much room to tell you what you really need/don't need in reality..
[03:35] <cody-somerville> Once again
[03:36] <cody-somerville> Thats probably just a compile time option
[03:52] <nbl> is there a better powermanagment tool, I'm on a desktop but i would like have better controll of the hdd power
[03:52] <nbl> my bios is conflicting with something, so i had to set them always on in the bios
[03:54] <xdaniel> nbl: this link may be helpful -- seems like some other people were asking the same thing: http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=387346
[04:00] <nbl> so use laptop-mode-tools? i heard of it before but it seems odd since im on a desktop
[04:01] <xdaniel> nbl: really not sure... but its worth a try
[04:01] <nbl> "laptop mode tools will automatically start when your laptop goes into battery mode."
[04:02] <nbl> wont work
[04:02] <nbl> but this may hdparm
[04:02] <xdaniel> nbl: bummer... maybe something else in that thread may help, but that's beyond my knowledge
[04:19] <TMN__> is there a way to configure shortcut for minimizing current window?
[04:36] <nbl> is there a way to get a Network places like there is in ubuntu, in xubuntu
[04:37] <cody-somerville> We're working on that for Intrepid
[04:38] <nbl> is it in the alpha release now?
[04:39] <cody-somerville> Not that feature, no
[04:39] <cody-somerville> It might not make Intrepid unfortunately
[04:40] <cody-somerville> I have my fingers crossed
[04:42] <nbl> why would it not? it should just for ease of use.
[04:45] <cody-somerville> nbl, It isn't that I don't want to give you every feature you might want with a useful feature to boot
[04:46] <cody-somerville> s/feature/interface
[04:46] <cody-somerville> However, I've yet to test the work being done
[04:46] <cody-somerville> Feature freeze has passed and the work on it isn't even done yet
[04:46] <nbl> oh, since xubuntu should be light weight, no need to have
[04:46] <cody-somerville> no, it has nothing to do with that
[04:47] <cody-somerville> It has to do with it being stable and ready enough for me to include it. People would rather not have the feature than have a buggy operating system they can't use.
[04:47] <cody-somerville> let alone the code actually being done :P
[05:19] <nbl> i'm trying to do mount a shared folder, and i get a cifs retern error -22
[05:19] <nbl> any clue what that is?
[05:39] <nbl> smbfs need
[05:44] <Dabbu> i am not able to access network places in xubuntu
[05:45] <Dabbu> ?
[05:45] <Dabbu> any help
[05:45] <Dabbu> what
[05:46] <Dabbu> any man here
[05:47] <Dabbu> !network
[05:47] <Dabbu> !networkplaces
[05:48] <Dabbu>  !network places
[06:06] <j00bacca> what is the name of the tool that monitors the battery status in the system tray so i can remove it
[06:07] <j00bacca> and also how can you hide the wireless status in the system tray
[06:17] <anom01y> hi
[06:18] <anom01y> currently I am running kde, and I was wondering if I could install xfce and run it instead of kde, but have the ability to pick what I wanted to use
[06:29] <nbl> yes
[06:29] <midnightRmbler> hello
[08:14] <blakeX> sup yo
[08:14] <blakeX> this ya boy blake
[08:17] <blakeX> IRC is so foolish
[08:25] <favro> pot calling the kettle black methinks :)
[08:32] <blakeX> no, not really
[08:32] <blakeX> i'm not a chat protocol
[08:32] <blakeX> more like the water in the kettle calling the kettle black
[09:15] <Definitely> Hello, i just installed Xubuntu, anyone can explain me how to add one more langugage to keyboard tool ?
[09:33] <tuna-fish> lol
[09:36] <Definitely> hmm ?
[10:50] <Definitely> How to change theme in Xubuntu ?
[11:06] <JinKazama> Definitely: Settings -> Settings Manager -> User Interface
[11:07] <Definitely> aaa ok i found now ;]
[11:07] <Definitely> jinKazama: Hmm after i add files which i need into .themes and .icons probably i need to log out and log in  ?
[11:09] <Definitely> brb relogining
[11:53] <ed> When I launch nautilus from inside XFCE, my wallpaper changes and XFCE doesn't seem to be managing the desktop anymore.
[11:53] <ed> I wonder why that is.
[12:02] <Myrtti> why do you launch nautilus then ;-)
[12:09] <ed> Because I'm conditioned to.
[12:10] <ed> It has become my instinct to type 'sudo nautilus' when I need to do file management at root.
[12:10] <ed> I have gone totally, utterly and absolutely bonkers mad.
[12:10] <Myrtti> a) do not use sudo with a graphical application
[12:11] <ed> ah yes
[12:11] <ed> gksudo
[12:11] <Myrtti> b) gksudo mousepad .bashrc; alias nautilus='thunar`
[12:11] <ed> ah good idea
[12:11] <Myrtti> :-)
[12:13] <ed> So that'll only affect how bash does things, not how Gnome will, right?
[12:13] <Myrtti> yup
[12:13] <ed> Goodie.
[13:09] <ed> This is a quiet channel, isn't it? What sort of popularity do Xubuntu and Kubuntu have compared to Ubuntu? Because it's only a DE change...
[13:15] <pleia2> ed: I can't speak to actualy popularity numbers, but typically support questions are not xubuntu specific (ie - not about xfce) so people are able to use the more general support forums for help
[13:16] <ed> I see.
[13:16] <ed> Yeah, that' sane I guess.
[13:17] <Myrtti> I personally always wonder why people are asking questions about printing or such in here :-) for me xubuntu, ubuntu and kubuntu are all just buntu's with a different colour frosting :-P
[13:18] <Ben_Cs> hello
[13:18] <Myrtti> and actually I do like xubuntu the best, even when I use Gnome on my desktop computer
[13:18] <vinnl> Hi
[13:18] <Myrtti> Ben_Cs: hello
[13:19] <Ben_Cs> how can i login in xfce through terminal? (login inside login)
[13:19] <vinnl> Ben_Cs, you mean as another user?
[13:19] <Ben_Cs> or myself?
[13:19] <vinnl> Ben_Cs, when you open a terminal window it's ran as yourself by default
[13:21] <xindo> i restarted my laptop, now my taskbar/menubar is missing, anyone have any ideas?
[13:21] <vinnl> xindo, press Alt+F2 then run "xfce4-panel"
[13:22] <xindo> vinnl: that did it, thank you
[13:22] <xindo> any idea why it might have done this?
[13:22] <vinnl> Nope, happens a lot unfortunately :(
[13:22] <xindo> well thanks again for the fix
[13:23] <vinnl> My pleasure ;)
[13:23] <Ben_Cs> vinnl: no. if something requires me to logout and login to test it (ie: a command) instead of alt+ctrl +F4 , i want to be able to login again inside the current shell
[13:24] <vinnl> Ben_Cs, perhaps "su <username>" will do the trick
[13:25] <Ben_Cs> vinnl: nope
[13:25] <vinnl> Or first using su to change to another user and then using it to change back?
[13:26] <Ben_Cs> vinnl: i'm the only user
[13:26] <Qigong> Anyone have trouble getting xfce to know it has a wired connection to the net?
[13:26] <vinnl> Ben_Cs, hmm, perhaps create another user? I'm sorry, I'm not at home in shell scripting
[13:27] <Ben_Cs> vinnl: no way to open a new shell inside current one, and login?
[13:27] <vinnl> Qigong, that's been the easiest thing I've found in Xubuntu :P
[13:27] <Qigong> odd.. I only have 2 options, wireless and ppp
[13:27] <vinnl> Ben_Cs, perhaps "screen" or something, but I'm really to much of a noob in that area
[13:27] <vinnl> Qigong, if you right-click the icon, have you enabled wired connections?
[13:28] <Qigong> yes
[13:28] <vinnl> Hmm...
[13:28] <Ben_Cs> vinnl: i see. thanks anyway. i've started learning shell scripting recently :)
[13:28] <vinnl> :)
[13:28] <xindo> Qigong: does "ifconfig" return any info on eth0?
[13:28] <Qigong> bash.. ftw ;)
[13:28] <Qigong> looking, I'm sure it did last night
[13:29] <Qigong> sec.. I only have 'Enable Networking on th eright click and it's checked
[13:30] <vinnl> Ah, yes, I've got the same
[13:30] <vinnl> Are you sure the cable is plugged in correctly? ;-)
[13:31] <Qigong> yes, it worked great with kubuntu. I see no eth0, just ath0
[13:32] <xindo> Qigong: can you go to manual config?
[13:34] <Qigong> not sure where.. I have Network settings up, but only show Wireless connection and p2p
[13:34] <xindo> left click on the network connect icon, choose manual configuration
[13:35] <Qigong> yes, there.. it brings up the same, Network Settings.. then just the wireles and p2p is listed.
[13:36] <xindo> hmmm....
[13:38] <Qigong> I've not found anything that allows me to setup or look at eth0.. I assumed it was all automatic.
[13:39] <vinnl> It's supposed to be, yes
[13:43] <Qigong> it's almost like no eth0 stuff was loaded on install(?) I just added the network monitor applet to a panel and eth0 isn't recognized.
[13:44] <xindo> Qigong: run lspci and see if it has your ethernet card
[13:45] <Qigong> ok
[13:46] <Qigong> ethernet controller: Atheros Co.m
[13:47] <Qigong> that's one of the limited, no support drivers
[13:49] <xindo> not an expert on these, but it may be a restricted driver, i know there is one for the wireless, but don't know about the wired cards
[13:49] <Qigong> ok, ty.. still digging.
[13:49] <xindo> for instance, ubuntu installed my nvidia restricted automatically, i had to install it on xubuntu myself tho
[13:51] <Qigong> Mmm, I see. ok
[14:06] <nbl> is there a simple way to test samba from linux to windows?
[14:07] <nbl> every time i try to mount the folder i time out
[14:13] <xindo> nbl: can you ping the machines from each other?
[14:18] <nbl> xindo yes, now how to i stop it!
[14:25] <nbl> ok, i was ping by ip, how to a ping by workgroup/computername
[14:40] <nbl> any one?
[14:40] <vinnl> nbl, what?
[14:41] <nbl> i cant get samba working yet
[14:41] <nbl> every time i mount the windows dir. i time out
[14:41] <vinnl> Oh, sorry, can't help there :(
[14:53] <hallo0123> do you have a german channel?
[14:53] <vinnl> !english
[14:54] <nbl> i never had som much trouble setting up samba before with ubuntu
[14:54] <vinnl> ...and it's supposed to become easier with Xubuntu 8.10
[14:55] <nbl> well i was talking with some one else and he not sure it will make it into that build
[14:55] <vinnl> True
[14:55] <vinnl> But I'm crossing my fingers :)
[14:56] <nbl> me-too
[14:57] <nbl> i installed ubuntu on two other computers in my mixed home network and it was easier to set up, then configuring two windows based machines
[14:57] <hallo0123> okay... i have installed xubuntu.... booted my very slow laptop.... and started shutting it down... now i just can see the xubuntu screen....
[14:57] <nbl> ok?
[14:57] <hallo0123> why is nt my laptop completly shutting down?
[14:58] <hallo0123> btw i had the same problem with opensuse
[14:58] <vinnl> hallo0123, what do you mean by "the Xubuntu screen"? You mean the progress bar with the Xubuntu logo above it?
[14:59] <hallo0123> http://os-iso.de/images/xubuntu-7.04-2.jpg
[14:59] <nbl> on a side note i never see that, since my monitor does not like the refresh rate
[15:00] <vinnl> hallo0123, which version of Xubuntu are you using? 7.04?
[15:02] <vinnl> Right... If you press Ctrl+Alt+F1, do you get a screen full of text? (No need to pm message btw)
[15:03] <hallo0123> nope  i dont
[15:04] <vinnl> En what does the progress bar do? Is it full?
[15:04] <hallo0123> no, it isnt... it is still at the beginning
[15:04] <hallo0123> and there isnt anythink "moving"
[15:05] <vinnl> And how long have you waited for it to complete?
[15:06] <hallo0123> häm... the screen has been approximatly 15 min... i dont know... quite a long while. but should be around the same time i came in the channel
[15:07] <vidd> hallo0123, im new to the troubleshooting so forgive if you already answered....how much ram?
[15:07] <hallo0123> should be 256
[15:07] <vidd> live cd install or alt?
[15:08] <hallo0123> alternative
[15:08] <hallo0123> downloaded a few day ago
[15:08] <vidd> which version?
[15:09] <hallo0123> thats the file's name: xubuntu-8.04.1-alternate-i386
[15:09] <vidd> 8.04, 7.10, 7.04, 6.06?
[15:09] <vidd> ok
[15:09] <vidd> and is this hang on reboot or install?
[15:09] <hallo0123> whilst shutting down.... (and i had the same prob with open suse)
[15:10] <vidd> so install is complete, and you are trying to reboot?
[15:10] <hallo0123> install was completed, and the laptop did boot. the system was ready to work... then i shutted down (tryed to).
[15:11] <vidd> so you had the system up once already
[15:11] <hallo0123> yeah
[15:11] <vidd> kill power....and try to boot
[15:12] <hallo0123> alright
[15:12] <vidd> on a laptop, pull the power cord and drop the battery
[15:12] <hallo0123> too late... pushed the power button for a few sec
[15:13] <vidd> that *sould* work
[15:13] <vidd> provided of course that does not trigger "hybernate" via bios
[15:13] <vidd> is it booting now?
[15:14] <hallo0123> yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
[15:14] <vidd> so something in your shutdown scripts is hanky
[15:15] <hallo0123> yeah... wicked... when i had suse on my laptop there was on the screen "not falid system" (something like that, just in german...
[15:15] <vidd> let me know when the system is up
[15:15] <Rev> hi
[15:15] <Rev> anyone knows how to browse the network with xubuntu?
[15:15] <vidd> Rev, samba
[15:15] <hallo0123> someone that (form the german ubuntu channel) i should try to edit the menu.list in the /boot/grup directory
[15:16] <Rev> is that  a software vidd?
[15:16] <hallo0123> someone said^^
[15:16] <vidd> rev yes
[15:16] <Rev> i thought it was kind of a protocol
[15:16] <Rev> apt-get install samba?
[15:16] <hallo0123> i should take the splash out of there
[15:16] <vidd> rev dont know the specifics....i use ftp between my machines
[15:17] <nbl> rev same problem here
[15:17] <vidd> hallo0123, but the issue is shutting down...not booting up....right?
[15:17] <nbl> i thinking to use pyNeighborhood
[15:17] <hallo0123> yeah.. my laptop is now read to work
[15:17] <Rev> vidd that doesnt work
[15:17] <Rev> i have it installed but cant launch oi
[15:17] <vinnl> nbl, Rev, try Googling for xubuntu and samba and variants, there are some posts that explain how to do it
[15:17] <Rev> nbl, crap :/
[15:17] <vidd> Rev, you need an FTP server for it to work
[15:17] <Rev> i did
[15:17] <vinnl> *and variants on that
[15:17] <Rev> no
[15:18] <vinnl> I believe grumpymole's were supposed to be good
[15:18] <Rev> if its just a windows sharing folder, thats no ftp and that should work, shouldnt it?
[15:18] <hallo0123> so... should i do that?
[15:18] <vinnl> Rev, it should with Samba
[15:18] <vidd> hallo0123, so what you want to do is check the log files to see what the last command running was befor this last boot-up
[15:19] <hallo0123> where can i see the log?
[15:19] <vidd> hallo0123, grub editing is for start-up issues, not shut-down
[15:19] <vidd> i believe /var/log
[15:20] <vidd> let me check my system =]
[15:20] <hallo0123> okay.. seems to be right
[15:21] <Rev> vidd,  nbl we already have the smbclient installed on xubuntu
[15:21] <Rev> but we need something to "view" the shares
[15:21] <nbl> rev i tried this last night: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ComprehensiveSambaGuide
[15:21] <vidd> Rev, i cant help you with samba
[15:21] <vidd> i dont use it
[15:21] <nbl> you may have better luck then me
[15:21] <Rev> like in gnome "shortcuts" -> networks servers
[15:22] <vidd> i will never let my windows machines to access my linux boxes
[15:23] <nbl> rev xubuntu does not have it yet! they wish to get it in 8.10 but it is unlikly
[15:23] <Rev> thats retarded
[15:23] <nbl> this looks like to be a fix though, pyNeighbourhood
[15:23] <vidd> hallo0123, im no good at reading logs....i dont know which one is relavent
[15:24] <nbl> rev i would not complain, it is alot work these programers do to get ubuntu where it is today
[15:24] <vidd> Rev, if you want some gnome feature, add it!
[15:24] <vinnl> ...or pay people to add it :P
[15:24] <vinnl> ...or live without it and hope for the best :)
[15:24] <vinnl> (I usually do that :P)
[15:25] <vidd> vinnl, me too....ftp FTW
[15:25] <vinnl> One machine ftw :P
[15:25] <hallo0123> okay... i try to find out, which one the the right log....
[15:25] <nbl> the code and know how is out there, if you think you have a better idea, go with, and program
[15:25] <vinnl> nbl, that *is* a bit unreasonable
[15:26] <Rev> nbl,  wait i could i have found something
[15:26] <Rev> lemme see
[15:26] <vidd> vinnl, i think hes saying get the program...not write it
[15:26] <vinnl> In "and program" I interpreted "program" as a verb
[15:27] <Rev> nbl, indeed, i browsed trhough a lot of forum posts in the ubuntu and french ubuntu forum
[15:28] <Rev> forums*
[15:28] <Rev> and pyneighnourhood seems to be the best one
[15:28] <Rev> i will give it a try
[15:28] <hallo0123> i got a question... is xubuntu not completly translated?
[15:28] <hallo0123> in german language?
[15:28] <vidd> vinnl, any idea what log file to look at to see what program is failing to terminate during shutown?
[15:29] <vinnl> hallo0123, probably not, no
[15:29] <vinnl> But I expect it is for the most part
[15:29] <vinnl> vidd, not by heart
[15:29] <vinnl> Wasn't dmesg | tail something that could help when it comes to stuff like this?
[15:30] <nbl> i meant to program it, but more likely adopt the the sources code that is already out there for ubuntu
[15:30] <vidd> probably (i havent had to troubleshoot this kind of stuff since 6.06!)
[15:30] <hallo0123> can i help with translating... or at least for myself (if people think i am not doing well enough=
[15:30] <vidd> hallo0123, try dmesg | tail
[15:31] <vinnl> nbl, that's cool :)
[15:31] <vidd> see if that gives you any idea what might be locking your system on shutdown
[15:31] <vinnl> hallo0123, probably, the first step is to realize Xubuntu is made up of different applications which all can be translated individually
[15:31] <vinnl> hallo0123, then check which applications haven't been fully translated and contact the application's developers to see if you can help in translating
[15:31] <vinnl> (I did the same for Xfce in Dutch)
[15:32] <Rev> nbl i found something else
[15:32] <Rev> want to know?
[15:32] <nbl> rev http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=304131
[15:32] <nbl> yes
[15:32] <Rev> nbl, aparently we can install fuse and fusesmb
[15:33] <Rev> that will "mount" the network in a network folder in Home that we could browse trhough thunar
[15:33] <nbl> you got a link?
[15:33] <Rev> ah
[15:33] <Rev> u found it already
[15:33] <Rev> you understand frenc?
[15:33] <Rev> french*
[15:34] <nbl> no
[15:35] <hallo0123> no
[15:35] <nbl> rev i got to get going, if you find anything interesting pm it to me (if you dont mind)
[15:36] <Rev> nbl, no problem, i will
[15:37] <hallo0123> i found something
[15:38] <hallo0123> unfortunately it is in german... so... but the solution should be (so someone says): xfce-setting-show session
[15:39] <vinnl> That only allows you to configure Xfce's settings management I'd assume
[15:39] <hallo0123> mom... i am trying to translate
[15:39] <hallo0123> had the same problem after updating. my solution
[15:40] <hallo0123> [quote]xfce-setting-show session [/quote]
[15:40] <superspuck> can anyone help me get 5.0 analog audio output? All I get is some weird 4.0-stereo, tried with this .asoundrc: http://pastebin.ca/1196441 but it didn't affect the sound at all. default and surroundXX don't get me any sound at all so I have to set default:CARD=AV200 in my media player to get any sound at all.
[15:40] <^paradox^> when playing videos in totem media player i only get video, no sound. whats going on?
[15:40] <hallo0123> "logout setting" set / not set a tick. then is works fine for me
[15:40] <vinnl> !sound
[15:41] <ron_o> is it possible to use ddrescue to a directory on my partition /home rather than to another partition?
[15:41] <vinnl> hallo0123, you could try that, you can also reach it from the Settings Manager, then "Sessions and Startup" :P
[15:41] <hallo0123> after booting change it if need be again
[15:43] <hallo0123> but which setting
[15:44] <vinnl> hallo0123, "Automatically saave session on logout"
[15:44] <vinnl> (I suppose)
[15:44] <^paradox^> ubottu: where is the volume control in xubuntu?
[15:45] <vinnl> ^paradox^, ubottu  is a bot
[15:45] <vinnl> Not a human :)
[15:45] <^paradox^> lol ok
[15:45] <hallo0123> alright, i m gonna try
[15:45] <vinnl> ^paradox^, but you can add a plugin to the panel for volume control
[15:45] <vinnl> Oh, but those instructions are for Ubuntu btw
[15:45] <vidd> ^paradox^, you need to add it to the panel (which ever one you want)
[15:45] <vinnl> ^paradox^, the links are what's important
[15:45] <hallo0123> hm... still the same event happening :-(
[15:45] <^paradox^> well im just trying to figure out why i only have video in totem and no sound
[15:46] <vidd> ^paradox^, have you sound in other apps?
[15:46] <vinnl> ^paradox^, have you turned the volume of Totem up? And you might also want to check the settings in that Volume Control panel plugin
[15:46] <^paradox^> yes in vlc and mplayer
[15:46] <hallo0123> hm... anyway... will it harm my hard disk, when i am pushing in the power button each time?
[15:47] <vidd> ^paradox^, then totem is you issue, not the volume manager
[15:47] <vidd> hallo0123, i dont believe so
[15:47] <^paradox^> how do i fix it?
[15:48] <vinnl> ^paradox^, have you checked that Totem's volume is turned up?
[15:48]  * vidd uninstalled it and installed gxine cuzz he could never get totem to work right
[15:48] <^paradox^> well let me check totems volume
[15:48] <^paradox^> brb
[15:49] <^paradox^> the volume button is grayed out
[15:51] <vinnl> ^paradox^, are you playing a file?
[15:51] <^paradox^> i have a video clip mpg on pause
[15:52] <hallo0123> anyway... i have an more important question... how to configurate a network...
[15:52] <vinnl> ^paradox^, hmm, that's odd
[15:52] <hallo0123> cos xubu is saying: no network devices have been found
[15:52] <vinnl> ^paradox^, you might want to file a bugreport on Totem
[15:53] <^paradox^> so totems not only for gnome?
[15:53] <vinnl> No
[15:53] <vinnl> Well, it's a GNOME project, but it works in Xfce too
[15:53] <vinnl> (It does for me, anyway :)
[15:54] <^paradox^> ok ill file a bug report
[15:54] <vinnl> ^paradox^, where are you doing that btw?
[15:55] <^paradox^> i was using bug report under help
[15:55] <vinnl> Oh OK
[15:55] <vinnl> That's probably fine :)
[15:55] <^paradox^> seems i need a launchpad account
[15:56] <vinnl> Yeah
[15:56] <^paradox^> okie let me sign up
[16:14] <^paradox^> alright submitted
[16:15] <vinnl> Great :)
[16:16] <^paradox^> whats this xine? is there any media specifically for xfce?
[16:16] <vinnl> ^paradox^, there's xfmedia
[16:16] <vinnl> !xine
[16:17] <^paradox^> its ok bot go do ur bot things
[16:17] <vinnl> :P
[16:17] <^paradox^> that things creeping me out
[16:18] <^paradox^> its not big issue, but whenever i click media totem is what automatically opens it
[16:19] <^paradox^> and i cant find a repeat function in the other players
[16:23] <^paradox^> is there a place in the menu bar to check to see if totems volume is turned up?
[16:24] <vidd> ^paradox^, let me re-install totem and see
[16:24] <^paradox^> ok
[16:24] <vidd> ^paradox^, totem has a "sound" menu
[16:25] <^paradox^> volume up and down are grayed out as well
[16:25] <vidd> same on mine
[16:26] <vidd> but when i have it working on something, they become available
[16:27] <^paradox^> not for me
[16:29] <^paradox^> same happens with mp3s
[16:30] <^paradox^> totem always work in gnome though. i dont understand it
[16:31] <^paradox^> anyways
[16:32] <^paradox^> im having more ram and an ati radeon or some other 3D video card installed by geek squad in about a week
[16:32] <vidd> like i said....i always had issues with it, so i dont use it
[16:32] <^paradox^> they said they have linux guys
[16:32] <^paradox^> maybe by chance theyll have an answer
[16:33] <vidd> is ati stuff linux freindly?
[16:33] <vidd> do you have gnome running on this sysem?
[16:33] <^paradox^> they said theyd find a good card that could handle the 3D mmorpg games that ive been wanting to try
[16:34] <^paradox^> yes i originally installed ubuntu
[16:34] <^paradox^> in the last few days i decided to try xubuntu-desktop
[16:34] <vidd> and if you load ubuntu instead of xubuntu, sound works?
[16:35] <^paradox^> yeh no problems there
[16:35] <Myrtti> Then it might be pulseaudio
[16:35] <vinnl> OK that's seriously odd
[16:35] <vinnl> Ah, good  thinking :)
[16:35] <^paradox^> ive been using linux for about 6 months
[16:35] <vidd> so since you loaded xubuntu-desktop and found this issue, you switched back over to ubuntu and played sound
[16:35] <vidd> ?
[16:35] <^paradox^> im very pleased with it
[16:35] <vinnl> !pulseaudio
[16:36] <^paradox^> yes i tried it under ubuntu after the fact
[16:36] <^paradox^> works great under ubuntu
[16:37] <^paradox^> whys the bot following me like a lost puppy?
[16:37] <vidd> this "PulseAudio" think might be worth looking into
[16:37] <vinnl> ^paradox^, when you say !<something> the bot replies
[16:37] <vinnl> ^paradox^, I said !pulseaudio so ubottu  provided its information on PulseAudio
[16:37] <vinnl> !bot
[16:38] <^paradox^> lol k
[16:38] <Myrtti> Its not totally troublefree even in gnome, Id be surprised if it were problemfree with gnome/xfce combo
[16:38] <vidd> vinnl, does xubuntu use this pulseaudio?
[16:39] <Myrtti> No
[16:39] <vinnl> Apparently not
[16:39] <vinnl> It was just on the mailinglist IIRC
[16:39] <^paradox^> so then might be the problem?
[16:39] <Myrtti> If you install clean xubuntu you dont get pulseaudio
[16:40] <vidd> ^paradox^, try sudo apt-get remove --purge pulseaudio
[16:40] <vidd> this should do one of 2 thing....
[16:40] <vinnl> vidd, not sure if that's wise
[16:40] <vinnl> If he still intends to use Ubuntu, I don't know what effect that will have
[16:40] <vidd> fix audio in xubuntu or break audio in ubuntu
[16:41] <vidd> once it is completely removed, test audio in both
[16:41] <^paradox^> i dont wanna break audio in ubuntu
[16:41] <vidd> then sudo apt-get install pulseaudio and retest
[16:41] <vidd> ^paradox^, you will re-add it
[16:42] <^paradox^> ok let me get a terminal brb
[16:42] <vidd> and dont be alarmed if it wants to remove ubuntu-desktop
[16:43] <vidd> that is just a meta-package that pulls all the componants in
[16:43] <vinnl> (But be sure to reinstall it afterwards)
[16:43] <^paradox^> got a phone call back in a few minutes
[16:44] <vidd> vinnl, i will make sure he does
[16:44] <vinnl> ^.^
[16:44] <vidd> methinks the issue is that pulseaudio doesnt know about xubuntu....
[16:45] <ron_o> why didn't I think of that before: sudo <name terminal> puts you in constant root. :)
[16:45] <ron_o> duh!
[16:45] <vinnl> ron_o, or "sudo su" ;-)
[16:45] <ron_o> oh.. :)
[16:45] <vidd> and reinstalling will make it work under both ubuntu and xubuntu
[16:45] <ron_o> hehe.
[16:45] <ron_o> I thought ubuntu didn't allow that. Was that before?
[16:45] <vinnl> And I believe there was also an argument for sudo
[16:46] <vinnl> I don't think so. There've always been plenty of ways to achieve it, but since it's not recommended it's not advertised either
[16:46] <vidd> ron_o, sudo su has always worked....at least since breezy when i came onboard
[16:46] <ron_o> ahh, I think before then it didn't.
[16:46] <ron_o> whatever. thanks.
[16:46] <vinnl> :)
[16:47] <ron_o> I remember there was a big todo about it. You know, the whole windows thing of dummying a system down.
[16:47] <vidd> how many realeases were there b4 breezy?
[16:48] <vinnl> Warty and Hoary
[16:48] <vidd> so i only missed 2
[16:48] <vinnl> I believe I stepped in just before Hoary (5.04?) was released
[16:48] <vinnl> And then switched to Xubuntu about the time of Breezy (5.10)
[16:49] <vidd> xubuntu wasnt "offical" till 6.06 methinks
[16:49] <vinnl> No it wasn't
[16:49] <vinnl> But there was a xubuntu-desktop package for 5.10
[16:50] <vidd> interesting bit of trivia....i missed it then
[16:50] <vinnl> ^.^
[16:50] <vinnl> That was when Jani Monoses was still working hard to get it released :)
[16:50] <vinnl> I might do a blog post on Xubuntu's history some time :)
[16:50] <ron_o> they really tricked everyone with that whole numbering scheme..
[16:50] <vidd> breezy was when the only install disk was the trusty "alt install"
[16:50] <vinnl> Seeing as it's about aligned with my history of using open source oeprating systems
[16:50] <vinnl> vidd, yep
[16:51] <vinnl> ron_o, yeah it was kind of confusing
[16:51] <ron_o> when I came on board in the beginning and #ubuntu was just filled to the capacity. You couldn't get a word in edge wise.
[16:51] <ron_o> and then they said, well 'it's still beta you know'..
[16:51] <vinnl> Ubuntu was the first open source operating system I used, and then it was versioned 4.10 and I couldn't really follow
[16:51] <vinnl> It took a long time to get acquainted with the whole thing :)
[16:51] <ron_o> indeed..
[16:52] <vinnl> And I hadn't even found out about IRC yet :P
[16:52] <ron_o> much different than windows.. way better in the end. At first I was complaining about it like any old chap would.
[16:52] <vinnl> Hehe, then again, I was only fourteen years old back then :P
[16:52] <vidd> the learning curve
[16:52] <ron_o> wow, the idea that they would put all the apps in one repository and make sure they are malware free. And to think... ;->
[16:52] <vinnl> ^.^
[16:53] <vidd> ron_o, been that way for years
[16:53] <vinnl> Not on Windows
[16:53] <ron_o> I know, but that was my thought when I came over from windows.
[16:53] <vidd> debian (if im not mistaken) is older then SUSE
[16:53] <ron_o> tried redhat back in the late 90s.. couldn't even get it running.
[16:53] <ron_o> and suse too.. but just barely running.
[16:54] <vidd> my first forlay into linux was redhat
[16:54] <ron_o> then ubuntu then zenwalk then sabayon (gentoo derivative) then back to xubuntu because I liked it so much.
[16:54] <vidd> it worked great...till i tried to install something
[16:54] <vinnl> Btw, vidd, ron_o, shall we move to #xubuntu-offtopic?
[16:55] <ron_o> well I'm busy. :)
[16:55] <ron_o> hehe.
[16:55] <^paradox^> that was my grandparents
[16:55] <vidd> #xubuntu-offtopic
[16:55] <vidd> whoops
[16:55] <vinnl> Hehe
[16:55] <^paradox^> im a little worried about losing ubuntu-desktop
[16:56] <vidd> dont be
[16:56] <vidd> ubuntu-desktop isnt a real app
[16:56] <vidd> and we will put it back in a bit
[16:57] <vidd> after we finish the "without pulseaudio" test
[16:57] <^paradox^> ok ill go ahead run that command
[16:58] <vinnl> vidd, why with --purge btw?
[16:58] <vidd> so he gets a "fresh" set of config files when he re-installs
[16:58] <vinnl> Ah OK
[16:59] <vidd> removes the chance of the reinstall getting lazy =]
[16:59] <vidd> and just using the existing files
[16:59] <^paradox^> the command was sudo apt-get install pulseaudio?
[17:00] <vidd> ^paradox^,  sudo apt-get remove --purge pulseaudio
[17:01] <vidd> its already installed...we want to pull it
[17:06] <^paradox^> sorry just trying to locate a terminal. the menus are a little different
[17:06] <vinnl> Applications->Accessories->Terminal
[17:07] <^paradox^> ok got it
[17:08]  * vidd has brought the 6.06 menu with him
[17:09] <vidd> ^paradox^, so you remember the steps?
[17:10] <vidd> uninstall, test, reinstall, test
[17:10] <^paradox^> first i remove, then retest with totem
[17:10]  * vidd has to step away for about 10-15 minutes
[17:10] <vidd> yes
[17:11] <vidd> the command to remove is sudo apt-get remove --purge pulseaudio
[17:11] <vidd> you want to test totem in both xubuntu and ubuntu
[17:12] <vidd> the command to re-install is sudo apt-get install pulseaudio
[17:12] <vidd> and retest in both ubuntu and xubuntu
[17:13] <vidd> and if removing pulseaudio removes ubuntu-desktop, the command to reinstall it is sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[17:13] <vidd> be back in a bit
[17:13] <^paradox^> ok
[17:23] <^paradox^> im sorry guys i dont wanna do this. if i had someone more knowledgable than myself in the same room itd be a different story
[17:23] <vinnl> ^paradox^, I can imagine
[17:23] <vinnl> I suppose you'll just have to use VLC or Mplayer instead of Totem
[17:24] <^paradox^> hopefully the guys at geeksquad will be just as good as u guys. if i gotta pay a little extra for it so be it
[17:25] <vinnl> ^.^
[17:25] <vidd> ^paradox^, im back
[17:25] <^paradox^> for the install of a gig of ram and a better video card they said itll cost $250
[17:26] <vidd> .... wow
[17:26] <vidd> is that installed?
[17:26] <vidd> and configured?
[17:26] <^paradox^> hi vidd i couldnt do it. im scared shitless
[17:27] <vidd> ^paradox^, dont be afraid
[17:27] <vidd> there is nothing that commad does that apt-get install wont put back
[17:29] <vidd> but you might try sudo dpkg-reconfigure pulseaudio
[17:29] <vidd> but i never used thpulseaudio so i dont know what all is involved'
[17:30] <vinnl> I'm off guys, bye
[17:30] <vidd> l8r vinnl
[17:31] <^paradox^> im just gonna use another player for now. how can i get it to "automatically" open with another program?
[17:31] <vidd> right-click and choose "open with"
[17:32] <vidd> select the other app, and check the box for "set default" (or something similar)
[17:33] <^paradox^> if i had someone here who knows linux id let em go to town on it
[17:33] <vidd> im not "on site" but im here
[17:35] <^paradox^> maybe u could remote me and look into it?
[17:36] <vidd> you would have to set up sshd on your system, give me a username and password, and add me to the "admin" group
[17:37] <vidd> then you would need to make sure that port 22 is open and routed to that specific machine, and provide the IP address
[17:38] <^paradox^> how would i set up sshd?
[17:38] <vidd> and the username, password and IP are best to be transmitted via PM
[17:40] <vidd> sudo apt-get install openssh-server i believe
[17:42] <indo> anyone using the apple aluminum usb keyboard?
[17:48] <^paradox^> dang it someone else calling me. this my day off too
[17:52] <^paradox^> geeze my cousin needs a hand at his storage room. ill have to try this later this evening, but ill save the chat for referrence
[17:53] <vidd> if its after 5pm eastern, i wont be available
[17:54] <^paradox^> ok np. at least my pc doesnt have a serious problem :D
[18:09] <linko47> hi there
[18:09] <vidd> whats up
[18:10] <linko47> not much. getting ready to wash some clothes
[21:50] <vidd> can anyone recommend some kind of root kit detector?
[21:51] <vidd> i use rkhunter, but would like to have a second tool
[21:51] <favro> !rootkit
[21:51] <Myrtti> chrootkit?
[21:52] <Myrtti> or whatever it was
[21:52]  * Myrtti checks
[21:52] <Myrtti> chkrootkit
[21:53] <vidd> i just think its odd there are no updates for rkhunter in 3 months
[21:53] <vidd> is that apt-get -able
[21:53] <vidd> ?
[21:53] <Myrtti> that's where I looked it up
[21:54] <vidd> do you use it?
[21:54] <Myrtti> !info chkrootkit
[21:54] <Myrtti> no
[21:54] <vidd> heh...you use anything?
[21:54] <Myrtti> nope - I don't install stuff from outside sources
[21:55] <vidd> ic....
[21:55] <Myrtti> ie. everything is from either launchpad ppa's or ubuntu official repositories
[21:55] <vidd> so your linux box is never connected to the internet
[21:55] <vidd> or windows machines?
[21:55] <Myrtti> no windowses outside virtual machines
[21:56] <vidd> maybe im just paranoid
[21:56] <vidd> =]
[21:56] <Odd-rationale> if you have a strong password, and a disabled root account, you should be quite safe from rootkits...imo
[21:57] <Myrtti> I'm more worried about physical threats
[21:57] <Myrtti> I've got all my partitions encrypted and grub single user mode is also behind password
[21:57] <vidd> the only physical theat i have to worry about is the kid standing on the laptop bag with the lappy in it
[21:58] <Myrtti> so you don't ever leave home with your laptop then ;-)
[21:58] <vidd> no....i never leave my laptop unattended
[21:58] <Myrtti> fair enough
[21:59] <vidd> if i left it home, id have to worry about the old lady finding all that prn
[21:59] <vidd> =]
[22:00] <Myrtti> of course I've got a company policy watching behind my back that everything that might contain company stuff should be on encrypted media
[22:00] <vidd> never a bad polocy
[22:01]  * vidd never bothered to encrypt hd's
[22:01] <Myrtti> but then again one of our clients has a company policy that everyone working on their products should be monitored with security cameras while they work
[22:01] <vidd> how would you rescue from an unbootable drive?
[22:01] <Myrtti> which *ROFL* is kinda hilarious thought since most of us work from home
[22:02] <Myrtti> anyway
[22:02] <Myrtti> vidd: I've got multiple backups
[22:03] <vidd> so, basically, if the drive dies, the data is lost?
[22:03] <Myrtti> one serverside, one separate encrypted hard drive, encrypted tarballs on DVD's
[22:03] <vidd> *data on that drive*
[22:03] <Myrtti> and same data on both my desktop and laptop
[22:04] <Myrtti> emails on the imap server... most of work stuff on svn...
[22:04] <Myrtti>  I'm quite safe even if harddrives would fail :-)
[22:05] <vidd> so it would seem
[22:05] <Myrtti> beauty of Linux - backups are really easy to do
[22:06] <Myrtti> I once formatted my / from under me
[22:06] <vidd> but in theory, would one be able to recover encrypted data from a failed hd?
[22:07] <Myrtti> if they can first decipher my strong >=12-charachter passwords
[22:08] <vidd> im speaking from a you recover your own data from a failed hd
[22:08] <Myrtti> I don't
[22:08] <vidd> but you could if you had to?
[22:08] <Myrtti> I've got backups from where I recover
[22:09] <Myrtti> why bother - it's cheaper to get the data from the backups than to send the harddrive to data recovery experts
[22:10] <vidd> because at the moment i dont have back-ups, and i dont have a data recovery expert
[22:10] <vidd> if i decide to encrypt hd's, i need to know im not going to paint myself into a coner
[22:11] <Myrtti> backups are always a good idea, even if the harddrives were not encrypted
[22:11] <Myrtti> I've had backup system three years before I started encrypting my harddrives
[22:13] <vidd> so basically, your not going to answer my question
[22:14] <vidd> does anyone else know....can you use a live cd to recover data from an encrypted hd if you know the password?
[22:14] <Myrtti> sure
[22:15] <vidd> thank you...thats all i wanted to know
[22:15] <vidd> i undersatnd that you , personally, would not
[22:16] <Myrtti> given it has not failed physically and the tools in the live cd can recover data
[22:16] <vidd> ive had to recover data of laptop hd's that ran windows lots of times
[22:17] <vidd> usually just a simple mount command to view them
[22:25] <vidd> well...im out
[23:59] <ouass> hi