[00:00] <Jordan_U> dupondje: Try disabling xv in gstreamer-properties
[00:01] <dupondje> stupid question: how ?
[00:01] <dupondje> :)
[00:01] <dupondje> nvm
[00:01] <dupondje> :p
[00:01] <hdevalence> pwnguin: how would one clear a DNS cache?
[00:02] <dupondje> Jordan_U: didn't solve
[00:03] <Hinrik> Anyone else here had this problem? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/264019
[00:04] <Hinrik> it's pretty hard to solve as it prevents me from upgrading anything that might have been fixed
[00:06] <Jordan_U> Hinrik: You say that youtube.com is one of the sites you can't get to?
[00:06] <Hinrik> yeah
[00:06] <Hinrik> only very simple things work
[00:07] <Jordan_U> Can you pastebin the output of "dig youtube.com"
[00:07] <Hinrik> I can google, and see the front page of a few sites, but trying anything else just makes it hang
[00:07] <Hinrik> Jordan_U: wait, let me see if I can pastebin :)
[00:08] <Jordan_U> Hinrik: Is there any URL that you can find that you can't wget?
[00:08] <Hinrik> yeah, most of them
[00:09] <Hinrik> for one, I don't seem to be able to load a pastebin page
[00:09] <Hinrik> but "dig youtube.com" looked normal to me
[00:09] <Jordan_U> I mean using the "wget" command
[00:09] <Hinrik> dns resolving works just fine, as does pinging
[00:09] <Hinrik> ok, wait
[00:10] <Hinrik> "wget google.com/index.html" works
[00:11] <Hinrik> this bug is very odd; I can view http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu but it just hangs if I try to view any of its subdirectories
[00:12] <Hinrik> "Waiting for archive.ubuntu.com"
[00:12] <Hinrik> And yes, I
[00:12] <Hinrik> And yes, I've tried other mirrors
[00:12] <Hinrik> works just fine on the computer I'm IRCing from, which is on the same network
[00:13] <Hinrik> as for ssh, I can log into a remote host, but if I do anything complicated like start irssi and connect to a server, it hangs again
[00:15] <Hinrik> if I wanted to downgrade the kernel (copy the .debs over via usb), which packages do would I need? just kernel-image-* ?
[00:16] <Jordan_U> Hinrik: Why downgrade, just boot the old one with grub
[00:16] <Hinrik> Jordan_U: this is a clean install, not an upgrade
[00:17] <Hinrik> (I'm not the guy who filed the bug report, I'm the guy with the 'me too' comment)
[00:18] <Jordan_U> Hinrik: I think you'll get everything if you look at the dependencies of the package "linux"
[00:18] <Hinrik> ok
[00:19] <Hinrik> linux-image and linux-restricted-modules then
[00:21] <Jordan_U> Yeah, and of course whatever they depend on ( if anything )
[00:25] <Hinrik> hm, where would I find the .debs? don't see a link to 'em on packages.ubuntu.com
[00:25] <Hinrik> ah. oops, never mind
[00:26] <dupondje> still green lines in avi playback :(
[00:26] <dupondje> damn :(
[00:30] <Hinrik> *crosses fingers*
[00:36] <perillux> I don't have a recording level monitor application
[00:36] <perillux> how do I install it, I kinda need it now
[00:36] <Jordan_U> perillux: What app?
[00:37] <perillux> in Hardy there was a Applications > Sound > recording level monitor
[00:37] <perillux> and a volume level monitor
[00:37] <perillux> but it's not here in Intrepid
[00:38] <Hinrik> perillux: it is there, but hidden
[00:38] <Hinrik> right click on the menu and 'Edit menus'
[00:38] <Hinrik> there you can make it visible
[00:38] <Hinrik> and damn, 2.6.27-1 doesn't work either
[00:38] <perillux> Hinrik: it's not showing up in that list
[00:39] <perillux> can I install it via, "sudo apt-get install ...." ?
[00:40] <Hinrik> yeah, though I don't remember the name of the package...hm
[00:41] <Hinrik> gnome-media is the name
[00:42]  * Hinrik tries kernel 2.6.26-5
[00:46] <Volkodav> how do I untar 7z ?
[00:46] <Hinrik> you don't because it's not a tar :)
[00:47] <Volkodav> so what's the workaround?
[00:47] <jrib> !7z
[00:47] <Hinrik> get the p7zip program
[00:48] <Volkodav> thanks
[00:53] <Hinrik> yay! 2.6.26-5 works
[00:54] <Hinrik> thanks for the help
[01:01] <Jordan_U> Is there a way to stop audacity from disabling pulseaudio when it tries to play audio?
[01:22] <dupondje> Jordan_U:  www.dupondje.be/screen.avi
[01:22] <x1250> Jordan_U, configuring audacity to use ALSA: default ? Edit -> Preferences
[01:22] <dupondje> this is how my video output looks like :(
[01:24] <Jordan_U> x1250: Doesn't help
[01:24] <Jordan_U> x1250: In fact that's what I was already doing
[01:25] <x1250> Jordan_U, strange, it works here. I can listen to rhythmbox while reproducing something in audacity also...
[01:26] <Jordan_U> x1250: Is rhythmbox using pulseaudio?
[01:27] <x1250> Jordan_U, is that configurable? I can't find it on preferences
[01:27] <crdlb> via gstreamer
[01:27] <Jordan_U> x1250: It should be by default
[01:27] <Jordan_U> x1250: See if it shows up in pavucontrol
[01:29] <x1250> uhm, pavucontrol says connection failed: connection refused, then closes itself
[01:33] <Jordan_U> x1250: Maybe you aren't using pulseaudio for anything :)
[01:34] <x1250> Jordan_U, I have "Autodetect" in system->prefs->sound, isn't pulseaudio default?
[01:34] <Jordan_U> x1250: It's supposed to be, but you never know with alpha's what is going to happen :)
[01:51] <literal> I think I have this issue: http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com/msg1002062.html
[01:51] <literal> Is there anything I can do about it?
[01:59] <DanaG> Why does nm-applet insist on showing "Auto eth0" instead of "Wired Network"?
[02:01] <literal> here it shows "Auto eth0" under the "Wired Network" category
[02:09] <DanaG> That's what I meant.
[02:09] <DanaG> It used to show it differently.
[02:09] <DanaG> I think 'Auto eth0' looks ugly.
[02:11] <literal> edit it then
[02:14] <DanaG> I renamed the connection.....
[02:15] <DanaG> and it renamed it back.
[02:15] <DanaG> It completely forgets whatever I name it.
[02:39] <bsnider> beware the ath5k driver. it seems my hard lockups were caused by it. i'd love to be wrong, but it seems to work fine with madwifi
[02:46] <d4t4min3r> how far from beta are we?
[03:03] <x1250> d4t4min3r, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=791746
[03:37] <literal> If anyone's having xvideo problems on intrepid... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/267627
[04:25] <martalli> I upgraded my computer fron hardy heron to intrepid in kubuntu, but I have no desktop effects.  This laptop's graphics in a 7000-series discrete geoforce graphics chip.  Is there a way to turn on the desktop effects?
[04:26] <Jordan_U> martalli: Are you getting accelerated 3D at all?
[04:26] <martalli> Im not sure
[04:26] <martalli> I don't play games, etc
[04:27] <martalli> Hmm, glxgears won't run...maybe it isn't working
[04:27] <martalli> However, I checked jocky-kde and the nvidia 177 driver is in use
[04:27] <pwnguin> well
[04:28] <pwnguin> what does it know?
[04:28] <pwnguin> check your xorg logs
[04:29] <pwnguin> martalli: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[04:30] <martalli> pwgguin: thx for the tip =)
[04:31] <Nubbie> hello everybody, i have made the leap to ibex, but i am very disappointed in X right now.
[04:32] <pwnguin> martalli: do you know what you're looking for?
[04:32] <martalli> pwnguin: It appears to be loading the nv module
[04:32] <Nubbie> it would appear that it is choosing the wrong video driver
[04:32] <pwnguin> martalli: right; and you want nvidia I presume
[04:32] <Nubbie> how can i specify to xorg to use the intel driver if i have no configuration in xorg.conf. this is frustrating beyond belief
[04:33] <martalli> pwnguin: I would think so, but it appears to be loading the nvidia files right after that
[04:34] <martalli> I'm trying to put it on pastebin
[04:34] <pwnguin> !pastebinit
[04:34] <pwnguin> bah
[04:34] <pwnguin> !pastebin
[04:34] <pwnguin> theres a tool
[04:34] <pwnguin> that lets you pipe files into pastebin
[04:34] <martalli> http://pastebin.ca/1196928
[04:34] <Nubbie> can somebody please help me in getting X running to a satisfactory state as it was with gutsy?
[04:35] <Nubbie> i am using intel 810i chipset
[04:36] <martalli> http://paste.ubuntu.com/44433/ - tried the ubuntu pastebin
[04:36] <pwnguin> martalli: i dont see how the pastebin service makes a difference ;)
[04:36] <Nubbie> pastebin.ca is very reliable.
[04:36] <pwnguin> martalli: at any rate
[04:37] <pwnguin> martalli: can you pastebin /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[04:38] <martalli> http://pastebin.com/f119543ab
[04:39] <martalli> I used pastebinit this time, thanks for the tip
[04:39] <pwnguin> heh
[04:39] <pwnguin> p
[04:39] <pwnguin> im glad you figured it out quickly. i never can remember how to make it work =/
[04:39] <martalli> It doesn't seem to have any details about the card involved
[04:40] <pwnguin> indeed
[04:40] <bsnider> Nubbie, you don't need a xorg.conf to use the intel driver
[04:40] <pwnguin> martalli: what we're gonna do is add a Driver "nvidia" in the device section
[04:40] <martalli> I tried nvidia-settigns to set nvidia back in heron and it just messed the whole thing up....
[04:40] <Nubbie> bsnider: i realize that,  my concern is that X is choosing the wrong driver, and has left me with no way to remedy the situation
[04:41] <bsnider> what driver is it picking?
[04:41] <DanaG> ARgh, my gnome-panel stalls at login.
[04:41] <martalli> Something like in my old xorg.conf file from 2007: http://pastebin.com/f1babb88b ?
[04:42] <pwnguin> martalli: right
[04:42] <pwnguin> the options are... optional
[04:42] <DanaG> Heh, handy way to trigger a crash and backtrace of a hung app: manually send it the SIGSEGV (segfault) signal -- that way, it'll trigger apport.
[04:43] <nandemonai> Hello again guys.
[04:43] <martalli> ok, basic question here... kdesu kate or kdesudo kate?  I know not sudo kate...
[04:43] <bsnider> kdesu
[04:43] <martalli> bsnider: thx
[04:43] <pwnguin> just make sure line 74 makes its way into your current xorg settings. i've heard it suggested that nvidia might become default
[04:43] <nandemonai> Anyone had a problem with network manager not saving setup after a reboot?
[04:43] <Nubbie> bsnider: i'm not sure, but compiz is failing to start
[04:43] <pwnguin> kdesu sounds like some kde japanese teaching program
[04:44] <bsnider> Nubbie, that doesn't mean the intel driver isn't being loaded
[04:45] <pwnguin> bsnider: this is why i ask for logs and config files. "just the facts, ma'am."
[04:45] <bsnider> Nubbie, you upgraded directly from gutsy to intrepid?
[04:45] <bsnider> there's a stable distro in between
[04:45] <pwnguin> upgrade manager won't even let you
[04:46] <bsnider> he's obviously borked it
[04:46] <pwnguin> well
[04:47] <pwnguin> maybe he upgraded to hardy, found it busted and upgraded to intrepid because obviously newer is better
[04:47] <bsnider> why would he expect hardy to be more stable than intrepid? that doesn't make any sense
[04:48] <burner> uhh... i think you're confused a bit in that last statement bsnider, but yes, you're right
[04:48] <Nubbie> bsnider: of course i meant i upgraded from hardy to ibex
[04:48] <bsnider> ok, now it makes more sense
[04:48] <nandemonai> Guy? Network manager saving static setups for you? Should I investigate more and file a bug report or am I missing something?
[04:48] <nandemonai> *s
[04:48] <bsnider> xorg 7.4 with the new intel driver will be released and subsequently added to intrepid in 2 days
[04:49] <Jordan_U> Nubbie: If you have a problem with Intrepid ask in this channel and *only* in this channel, #ubuntu does not support development versions
[04:49] <Jordan_U> bsnider: DRI2 by any chance?
[04:49] <pwnguin> yes, lets get snippy
[04:49] <Nubbie> Jordan_U: i realize that, but surely some people in #ubuntu share my problem are not present in this channel.
[04:49] <bsnider> Jordan_U,  i dunno
[04:50] <bsnider> they had to change it because of the switch from ttm to gem
[04:50] <pwnguin> normally, it's the other way around, people in here asking about hardy =/
[04:50] <danbhfive> nandemonai: I think I saw that, its crashed for me...
[04:51] <nandemonai> Hmm weird, ok it's just forgot the settings again after a apt-get update..
[04:51] <Nubbie> Jordan_U: here is the pastebin of me trying to start compiz... http://pastebin.ca/1196943
[04:52] <Nubbie> it's seg faulting pretty hard.
[04:52] <bsnider> try the command glxinfo
[04:53] <Nubbie> bsnider: glx extension is missing on my display
[04:54] <bsnider> well, then you can forget compiz
[04:54] <Nubbie> bsnider: shouldn't X11 automatically take care of that?
[04:54] <nandemonai> I should probably mention I'm running under VMware, that may have a lot to do with it. Perhaps I'll install on a spare drive and see if it still does it.
[04:54] <pwnguin> Nubbie: dual monitor?
[04:54] <Nubbie> pwnguin: no, just the LCD panel of my laptop
[04:54] <pwnguin> Nubbie: hmm. and compiz used to run?
[04:55] <Nubbie> bsnider: i know X11 isn't configured properly, but my issue is fixing it. xorg.conf is pretty much a useless POS now.
[04:55] <Nubbie> pwnguin: in hardy.
[04:55] <pwnguin> sadly(fortunately?), ive never owned any intel graphics
[04:55] <pwnguin> Nubbie: you should have the old xorg.conf lying around?
[04:55] <Nubbie> pwnguin: can't say i do, i upgraded.
[04:56] <pwnguin> ive upgraded plenty of times
[04:56] <bsnider> you mean clean installed?
[04:56] <bsnider> otherwise it's there
[04:56] <Nubbie> bsnider: i mean my working xorg.conf was overwritten when i upgraded.
[04:56] <bsnider> check the directory for hidden files
[04:57] <bsnider> you're only one of approximately 500k people having problems with the new x server
[04:57] <pwnguin> heh
[04:57] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/257809
[04:57] <bsnider> and a lot of them are using intel graphics
[04:57] <Nubbie> lol it's there.
[04:57] <pwnguin> psh
[04:57] <pwnguin> look first!
[04:57] <pwnguin> then complain
[04:58] <Nubbie> well i came here knowing there would be nice people who understand where i'm coming from heheh
[04:58] <Nubbie> i try to spend some time each month in #ubuntu helping out
[04:58] <bsnider> if all you want is understanding try a fight club
[04:58] <Nubbie> lol
[04:59] <bsnider> just because you try an old xorg.conf doesn't mean it will work
[04:59] <Nubbie> brb... restarting X
[04:59] <bsnider> sorry to break that news to you, but there it is
[04:59] <Nubbie> i know, but apparently the only xorg.conf files work with 7,4
[04:59] <pwnguin> xorg.conf should still work
[04:59] <Nubbie> yes.
[04:59] <Nubbie> brb.
[04:59] <pwnguin> we're just trying to cut back the need
[04:59] <Nubbie> and thank you.
[05:00] <bsnider> would you bet your life onj it?
[05:00] <Nubbie> well the need is still there, cutting back is counter-intuitive to me.
[05:00] <Nubbie> what would be nice if X had better detection, yet still wrote full configs.
[05:01] <bsnider> we can't have our cake and eat it too
[05:01] <pwnguin> Nubbie: it'll never have better detection until we get more people testing hardware
[05:01] <Nubbie> cutting back on xorg.conf only hurts people who are able/willing to edit it, whereas better detection initially would benefit everybody
[05:01] <bsnider> actually now that i think of it it probably does write config files but we don't know where htey are right now
[05:02] <DanaG> Oh yeah.... now things can be done with fdi files instead of xorg.conf.
[05:02] <DanaG> I've moved all my Synaptics options into an fdi file.
[05:02] <Nubbie> bsnider: it writes to fdi files in HAL.
[05:02] <Nubbie> but hal lacks one end-all be-all configuration file like xorg.conf was.
[05:02] <Nubbie> brb
[05:03] <bsnider> or a gui config app
[05:03] <DanaG> Yeah... there's no nice GUI for allllll the Synaptics features.
[05:03] <Nubbie> which does not yet exist lol, and a GUI config app doesn't help with no GUI running :P
[05:04] <Nubbie> but bullet-proof X is a blessing in the fact that if you mess up you still have a running x session to help, rather than rooting around xorg.conf in a recovery console.
[05:04] <Nubbie> i will give it that. i just want a full xorg.conf file, whether i need to use it or not.
[05:06] <DanaG> I'd rather have the X error log, frankly.
[05:06] <DanaG> Once I accidentally trigger failsafe X..... I can't get back normal X.
[05:06] <DanaG> I end up having to reboot.
[05:07] <Nubbie> or run sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart maybe...
[05:07] <DanaG> Nope, that doesn't fix it for me.
[05:09] <bsnider> no DRI2 until x-server 1.6, which they're hoping to get out by the end of the year, but too late to make it into intrepid
[06:42] <HeMan> Hi! Is memtest in intrepid patched from the one on http://memtest.org?
[06:43] <HeMan> When I run memtest from intrepid (via GRUB) it finds loads of problems
[06:43] <literal> it's broken
[06:43] <literal> it's mentioned in the release notes
[06:43] <HeMan> but when I run memtest downloaded from memtest.org (via syslinux) it works
[06:44] <HeMan> ah
[06:44] <HeMan> Good that I didn't report my "broken" memory to Dell then...
[06:44] <literal> :P
[06:45] <Reed_Solomon> heh
[07:49] <AnAnt> Where do core dumps go ?
[08:18] <fargiolas> does anybody know how to get rid of emacs-snapshot generating auctex stuff at each boot? it takes almost 10 minutes with heavy disk io
[08:18] <fargiolas> I looked in cron scripts but I cannot find who is launching it
[08:19] <fargiolas> the exact command is: emacs-snapshot --no-site-file --no-init-file --batch --load=/usr/share/emacs-snapshot/site-lisp/auctex//../tex-site.el --funcall=TeX-auto-generate-global
[08:24] <nastas> anyone know how to make virtualbox to recognise my wireless?
[08:26] <TheInfinity> nastas: you can't at all if network works like vmware in virtualbox
[08:26] <nastas> only throught cable TheInfinity?
[08:27] <TheInfinity> nastas: no, it uses the network connection of the host
[08:27] <nastas> i see. thnx.
[08:27] <TheInfinity> if the host has wireless internet access for example vmware also uses this connection
[08:27] <TheInfinity> and I think virtualbox works in the same way
[08:28] <nastas> i'll try one more time
[08:28] <nastas> thnx
[08:40] <AnAnt> Hello, where do core dumps go ?
[08:41] <RAOF> To apport, usually.  /var/lib/crash
[08:42] <AnAnt> does apport work in final releases ?
[08:43] <RAOF> Usually we turn it off.
[08:44] <AnAnt> how do I turn it on ?
[08:45] <RAOF>  /etc/default/apport, I believe.
[08:45] <AnAnt> thanks
[09:13] <schmidtm> Will there be Ooo3 in intrepid - until now there is only Ooo2 in the repos
[09:15] <RAOF> It's being investigated, but I believe the answer is looking like "no".
[09:18] <schmidtm> Reasons?
[09:19] <RAOF> Because it's not released.
[09:19] <RAOF> And seems unlikely to be released soon enough.
[09:19] <schmidtm> Ok, but FF3 was integrated in beta-status
[09:19] <crdlb> didn't have a choice with firefox
[09:20] <DanaG> What's not released?
[09:20] <crdlb> mozilla refuses to maintain older branches
[09:20] <schmidtm> and Ooo3 is RC afaik
[09:24] <DanaG> Ouch.... I can't fall asleep, because my back hurts.
[09:26] <RAOF> Beta 2, it appears.
[09:35] <LSD|Ninja> crdlb: FF3 was released a month or two after Hardy hit, surely they (Ububtu) could have held on to FF2 for just trhat little longer if it meant making Hardy at least look as though it had that little bit of extra polish
[09:36] <crdlb> LSD|Ninja: and support FF2 without mozilla's help for 3 years?
[09:36] <schmidtm> http://development.openoffice.org/releases/3.0.0beta2rc1.html says beta2 is rc
[09:37] <LSD|Ninja> crdlb: No, for the two months it would have taken for FF3 to hit
[09:38] <crdlb> LSD|Ninja: so do an incompatible upgrade of a released LTS distro months after release?
[09:38] <LSD|Ninja> crdlb: That's what LTS means
[09:38] <RAOF> Ah.  I see where the "LSD" comes from :)
[09:39] <RAOF> schmidtm: Their roadmap suggests otherwise.  In fact, their roadmap suggests that Beta2 is two months late.
[09:39] <LSD|Ninja> RAOF: I was so much as told LTS means "release unstable because you have 3 years to fix it"
[09:39] <crdlb> LSD|Ninja: firefox 2.0 to firefox 3.0 is not something you push onto a live, released distro
[09:39] <crdlb> particularly not an LTS one
[09:42] <schmidtm> RAOF: but on their german download site they provide Ooo3c1 - even a deb package ftp://ftp.rz.tu-bs.de/pub/mirror/OpenOffice.org/extended/3.0.0rc1/OOo_3.0.0rc1_20080904_LinuxIntel_install_de_deb.tar.gz
[09:57] <schmidtm> RAOF: according to http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OOoRelease30 the final will be available by September 16th, 2008
[10:03] <thefish> what replaces xlibs-dev in intrepid?
[10:14] <dupondje> what could be the cause of this: www.dupondje.be/screen.avi (very bad screen output)
[10:33] <gnomefreak> dupondje: totem most likely
[10:33] <gnomefreak> or the site but i saw it on another site this morning
[10:34] <dupondje> getting bad vid in VLC / MythTV / ...
[10:34] <dupondje> so its not the app :(
[10:35] <gnomefreak> than its the site, some sites work fine i only saw it on your link above and another. but your link if you go further into it its not seem
[10:36] <gnomefreak> further into it == let it play and it goes away atleast for me
[10:37] <dupondje> huh ?
[10:37] <dupondje> after 10 mins the screen is still bad :(
[10:37] <dupondje> it keeps looking like that ...
[10:38] <dupondje> I made that screen.avi, of my screen playing something ...
[10:38] <dupondje> thats my crappy output :(
[10:41] <gnomefreak> dupondje: mine clears up
[10:42] <dupondje> mine not :(
[10:42] <gnomefreak> give me a link to the site so i can see
[10:43] <dupondje> link to what site ?
[10:43] <dupondje> wtf
[10:45] <gnomefreak> dupondje: where youu got that video, im assuming either you watched it on a site or you downloaded it from a site
[10:45] <gnomefreak> unless you made it yourself
[10:45] <dupondje> the video that I play ?
[10:45] <dupondje> its just livetv from mythtv
[10:45] <dupondje> but it doesn't matter
[10:45] <dupondje> other video's are the same ...
[10:45] <dupondje> same crappy output
[10:46] <gnomefreak> are all these vidoes that are like that from mythtv?
[10:47] <dupondje> no
[10:47] <dupondje> even if I play it with vlc
[10:47] <dupondje> its same output :(
[10:48] <gnomefreak> mythtv is output for tv channels no?
[10:49] <dupondje> also video ...
[10:52] <dupondje> added Option "AccelMethod" "EXA"
[10:52] <dupondje> and its solved now
[10:52] <dupondje> mmmm
[11:39] <mickep> Hi, I did get random disconnections in 8.04 (both wired and unwired). Now I installed alpha5 and still have these disconnections. Any ideas? The output of lspci is at http://www.math.chalmers.se/~mickep/lspci
[11:40] <SwedeMike>  what kind of disconnection?
[11:40] <mickep> hm, the network stops to work.
[11:40] <SwedeMike> and you can't ping your default gateway?
[11:41] <zniavre> !bug
[11:41] <mickep> I did not try. I cannot surf, my ssh connections stop to work and so on. Reacitivating the net via NetworkManager brings itup again
[11:41] <mickep> SwedeMike: I will try to ping the gateway next time
[11:42] <SwedeMike> how long in between, and does it correlate to the dhcp lease time?
[11:43] <mickep> SwedeMike: I have a feeling that the time to disconnection is random (or at least not constant). Often when the computer is idling. How do I check if it happens with a dhcp lease time?
[11:43] <mickep> (i have a feeling it disconnects sooner here at work)
[11:44] <SwedeMike> oki, so this happens at different network locations?
[11:44] <mickep> yes, at home and at work. Both wired and unwired.
[11:46] <mickep> SwedeMike: I dont really have any ideas of what commands to run to debug, but I happily try and post the output if you have any tips
[11:46] <SwedeMike> do you get any messages in "dmesg" that might be related?
[11:46] <mickep> (I should probably say that I did not install alpha5 but run via the liveCD at the moment)
[11:46] <SwedeMike> or in any logs in /var/log ?`
[11:47] <mickep> I'll have a check (just waiting for the next disconnection)
[11:48] <mickep> SwedeMike: the output of dmesg is at http://www.math.chalmers.se/~mickep/dmesg if it helps
[11:49] <mickep> (and right now I am wired, but the wlan is also enabled in network-manager)
[11:49] <mickep> zniavre: I will post a bug as soon as I know what to actually write inthere
[11:50] <zniavre> what is not easy ...
[11:53] <mickep> I'm not sure where to target the bug, intrepid?
[12:07] <mohkohn> I have Apha2 installed on my eeepc 701 $G. Can I upgrade online to alpha 5?
[12:08] <mohkohn> is it "update-manager -d" or just do a normal update/upgrade?
[12:08] <mohkohn> I should say Alpha4.
[12:09] <void^> normal update
[12:13] <mickep> zniavre: OK, so now I made a bug report at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/267719
[12:18] <DanaG> Heh, I get the same "RX ReassocResp" thing going on.  It's really annoying.
[12:20] <mohkohn> thanks void^
[12:37] <Notch-1> hi all
[12:37] <Notch-1> i have installed kubuntu 8.10 alpha 5, but now wich is the best way to update?
[12:48] <Notch-1> please guys, i need just the update command, i think the one i use is wrong...
[12:49] <jrib> Notch-1: update-manager can update you
[12:50] <Notch-1> i see any kind of update-manager-... but no update-manager
[12:51] <jrib> what?
[12:51] <Notch-1> maybe i need to look another way...
[12:51] <jrib> oh you're running kde.  You should have some kind of automatic gui updater somewhere
[12:51] <Notch-1> i found only update-manager-something ...
[12:51] <jrib> what is the "something"?
[12:52] <Notch-1> there is adept but it seem broken...
[12:52] <jrib> heh
[12:52] <jrib> !final
[12:52] <jrib> Notch-1: you can run that command if you want
[12:52] <Notch-1> something, like -fd
[12:53] <Notch-1> what command?
[12:53] <jrib> the one ubottu just said
[12:53] <thefish> I have xserver-xorg-dev and libx11-dev installed, but still get configure: error: Can't find X libraries. Please check your installation and add the correct paths! - any ideas?
[12:53] <Notch-1> i've done sudo su, apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:54] <Notch-1> and now i can't log in
[12:54] <Notch-1> xorg crashes while loading...
[12:54] <Notch-1> even in the alpha 4
[12:54] <jrib> thefish: I don't have a working intrepid atm, but in hardy I see xlibs-dev and xorg-dev
[12:54] <Notch-1> so is that a common bug or have i missed something?
[12:55] <jrib> Notch-1: you upgraded fine.  You're experiencing a bug in alpha software now
[12:55] <thefish> cheers jrib - it seems xlibs-dev is replaced with libx11-dev in intrepid...
[12:55] <Notch-1> jrib: thanks, now i beleave :D
[12:55] <jrib> I have libx11-dev on hardy too thefish
[12:57] <jrib> thefish: what are you compiling?
[12:57] <thefish> jrib: knetworkmanager from svn
[12:57] <Notch-1> jrib: just another question: what's the difference with apt-get dist-upgrade and AFTER apt-get upgrade? it should work as well (not considering this bug) ?
[12:58] <jrib> thefish: if you do: sudo apt-get build-dep knetworkmanager     you should get whatever it needs
[12:58] <jrib> Notch-1: see the 'dist-upgrade' description in 'man apt-get'
[12:59] <Notch-1> jrib: yes but i still don't understand :P
[12:59] <jrib> Notch-1: dist-upgrade will do everything upgrade would do but may do more
[12:59] <Pici> dist-upgrade includes packages with new dependencies for one
[13:00] <Notch-1> it seems that switching the order is not a problem... but i experienced every kind of problem doing this :D
[13:00] <thefish> jrib: it moaned that it couldnt satisfy them :( thats why i was doing it manually - shorsrc also didnt give clues...
[13:01] <jrib> thefish: heh
[13:01] <Notch-1> so why apt-get update before? we could just use apt-get dist-upgrade, right?
[13:01] <Notch-1> sorry, i mean upgrade, not update
[13:01] <jrib> Notch-1: yes
[13:01] <Notch-1> !final
[13:02] <Notch-1> perfect :P
[13:02] <Notch-1> my memory is working like adept-manager in kubuntu 8.10 :PPPP
[13:03] <thefish> jrib: xorg-dev was the winner :)
[13:03] <thefish> thanks
[13:03] <Notch-1> thank you so much for patient
[13:03] <jrib> no problem
[13:04] <Notch-1> you think that upgrading and upgrading i will be able to log in or i have to reinstall everything?
[13:05] <jrib> ?
[13:05] <Notch-1> i other words: the fix fixes all things or i have to do something manually?
[13:05] <jrib> no idea Notch-1.  I don't know what the issue is
[13:07] <Notch-1> ah, it depends on the specific bug? there is no general rule?
[13:08] <jrib> more like "how much time are you willing to spend"
[13:08] <Notch-1> it's one of my biggest fear, since i'm using a unstable distro...
[13:08] <Notch-1> on doing what? :DD
[13:08] <jrib> it shouldn't be your main operating system
[13:09] <jrib> put it on its own partition or virtualized
[13:09] <Notch-1> yes, now, but in the future...
[13:09] <Notch-1> it may become more stable, i guess...
[13:10] <jrib> in october when it's released it is stable (only security updates).  Then everyone gets an option to upgrade their hardy
[13:10] <Notch-1> yes yes
[13:10] <Notch-1> i'm waiting for that day :D
[13:10] <Notch-1> but my question was a little more general
[13:10] <jrib> during this time it usually comes down to "will fixing this problem take me longer than a reinstall?"
[13:10] <Notch-1> on bug and fixes
[13:11] <Notch-1> yeah, good question :D
[13:12] <Notch-1> but since the first time i installed a linux distro i was wandering if the update system can fix bugs AND other problems created by the bugs itselfs...
[13:13] <jrib> sometimes
[13:13] <Notch-1> if it simply update to "unbugged" version, or if it can correct problems
[13:14] <Notch-1> on what depends? :D
[13:15] <void^> usually most problems can be fixed with simple updates
[13:15] <Notch-1> forgive me, but i didn't found a clear answer, from years :P
[13:16] <Notch-1> if for example a bugged sw create some wrong unuseful files, the update is teached to remove it?
[13:16] <void^> it's possible
[13:18] <gnomefreak> yes it replaces the old package
[13:19] <Notch-1> i know that expecting answer to void is useless, but can you tell me more ? :PPP
[13:19] <gnomefreak> when using term to upgrade it tells you preparing to replace $version with $version
[13:19] <Notch-1> FROM void, sorry
[13:19]  * gnomefreak hopes that isnt a question :(
[13:20] <Notch-1> ?
[13:20] <Notch-1> it was an "errata corrige"
[13:20] <Notch-1> anyway, gnomefreak, i don't understand your answer
[13:22] <Pici> Notch-1: I dont understand your question
[13:23] <gnomefreak> Notch-1: when a new package version is avalible it overwrites the old package version
[13:23] <Notch-1> yes
[13:23] <gnomefreak> Notch-1: than what is your question
[13:23] <Notch-1> i'm asking if it correct any other problem that the may occur when there is a bug
[13:24] <gnomefreak> Notch-1: it only corrects what was corrected in package
[13:24] <Pici> Notch-1: Only if the new package version corrects that bug.
[13:24] <gnomefreak> Notch-1: not all new packages fix all bugs
[13:24] <Pici> I find it very handy to have apt-listchanges installed to see what bugs are fixed and what new features I can expect when I do upgrades...
[13:25] <Notch-1> yes, it's a good way
[13:25] <Notch-1> give me just a minute to try to explain myself :P
[13:25] <gnomefreak> Pici: too much output for me
[13:25] <gnomefreak> i use Lp if i want to know changes
[13:26] <void^> to elaborate, every package comes with a number of scripts that are ran when the package is installed/upgraded/uninstalled
[13:26] <gnomefreak> or changelog of course
[13:26] <void^> so it's possible to fix "collateral damage" of a bug in a new version, if necessary
[13:26] <Notch-1> void^: thank you so much :D
[13:27] <Notch-1> this is a good answer, tnx
[13:29] <Notch-1> there is a easy way to get info on this script? as an apt-something...
[13:31] <void^> extract the package with dpkg
[13:32] <gnomefreak> makefile == script for most packages all debian files are files
[13:33] <Notch-1> ah fine, thanks again
[13:34]  * gnomefreak really hating bash today
[13:34] <Notch-1> why?
[13:34] <gnomefreak> because im getting exceptions while trying to run scripts
[13:34] <Notch-1> (i hate bash everytime i make a script :D)
[13:34] <gnomefreak> -s
[13:35] <Notch-1> exceptions? :D
[13:35] <gnomefreak> Notch-1: errors/crashes
[13:35] <Notch-1> ah
[13:35] <Notch-1> i understand you :D
[13:36] <gnomefreak> eh ill look at it later, i take break now its been long morning
[13:36] <Notch-1> if you know where is the origin paste the code, maybe i can help on this
[13:38] <Notch-1> call me, i've solved thousands of errors for my scripts...
[13:38] <Notch-1> it will be a pleasure to return the help
[13:50] <thefish> anyone managed to get network-manager working in kde4?
[13:52] <thefish> i can use the gnome nm-applet, but knetworkmanager doesnt play
[14:48] <DavidTalbot> hi, i have a funny problem with 8.10 it seems that there are some routing problems so can i connect to internet if i define a local proxy in my homenetwork, is this a known bug?
[14:48] <hubuntu> hello... has the dark human theme been changed for  lighter theme as of lately or is it just my system?
[14:54] <hubuntu> ?
[14:54] <pwnguin> hubuntu: check the alpha5 release notes
[14:56] <hubuntu> OK, SORRY
[14:57] <hubuntu> ops..
[14:57] <hubuntu> thx
[15:13] <gx009> so i want to install kubuntu 8.10 .. so far have not found a good .iso; so i tried installing ubuntu 8.10 and then add kde...  a mess.. i wanted a kde only system so i manually purged gnome.. but i still got traces of it like, synaptics, is still hanging around. adept is majorly buggy and wireless is not operational..
[15:15] <gx009> i wasted about 7 discs trying to burn a good copy of kubuntu 8.10 from different sources, all failed. even when the integrity check was good too
[15:24] <gx009> i just got a tip that burning such .iso in windows yields good results ..  meh
[15:24] <thefish> gx009: you are doing the integrity check from the disk? ie boot to install, then check from there?
[15:25] <gx009> that too
[15:26] <thefish> if that passes, then it means the disk is burned correctly
[15:26] <thefish> you cant burn it any better than perfect
[15:26] <gx009> yet it failed to run
[15:26] <thefish> failed to run what?
[15:27] <gx009> the install
[15:27] <woogens> Are there any read errors? In this case it could be due to a defect cd/dvd drive.
[15:27] <thefish> where does it fail? does it give an error?
[15:27] <gx009> it does not run
[15:27] <woogens> (At least it remotely sounds like that)
[15:27] <gx009> execution fails
[15:28] <thefish> that really could mean anything
[15:28] <thefish> what error?
[15:29] <thefish> maybe we dont mean the same thing with the cd... did you go to the "check CD for errors" once you booted to it?
[15:29] <gx009> you dont get it.. there is no error.. installation halts as soon as it begins
[15:29] <thefish> try looking in the other ttys, cant remember which but there is a log there
[15:29] <thefish> try CTRL+ALT+F(1-9)
[15:30] <thefish> that may give you more of a clue
[15:31] <thefish> but again, if you have done a disk check from the installer, and its come back as OK, the problem is not likely to be the cd - and re-burning will not help no matter what os you use
[15:34] <gx009> am running 2 versions of linux and windows xp on that machine already..  the puter is not the problem
[15:36] <thefish> of course not mate
[15:59] <karooga> hi
[15:59] <karooga> anyone familiar with the fortran libs?
[16:44] <soundray> I'm thinking about testing intrepid on my Eee PC 900. Looking for hints, tips and general encouragement...
[17:10] <mok0> I just tried to install intrepid alpha 5 from the iso image, but no matter what I do it boots into busybox.
[17:11] <Oli```> Anyone have any experience migrating from comipz-git to repo-compiz? I'm getting glitches and slow screen updates so want to check it's not just my build but every time I try I seem to get broken packages =(
[17:14] <mok0> Oli```: sorry, haven't had much luck with compiz
[17:29] <soundray> mok0: have you got an unusual drive setup? RAID? A rare SATA controller?
[17:30] <mok0> soundray: no. The ubuntu installer works, not the kubuntu ditto
[17:30] <mok0> ... and it still has the Heron background...
[17:31] <soundray> mok0: artwork is usually changed late in the pre-release phase
[17:31] <mok0> yeah, I know...
[17:31] <mok0> Just making a fuzz here...
[17:31] <soundray> mok0: does hardy boot okay?
[17:32] <mok0> soundray: yes, and intrepid does in ubuntu version
[17:32] <soundray> mok0: just kubuntu fails? That's weird
[17:33] <mok0> yes
[17:33] <soundray> mok0: the kernel or initramfs packages must be out of step between ubuntu and kubuntu. Worth a launchpad report.
[17:34] <mok0> soundray: no matter what I do, it comes out in busybox with an (initramfs) prompt
[17:34] <mok0> soundray: what should I file that under
[17:35] <soundray> mok0: don't know. Perhaps search for similar reports first, then file against the same package. It will also let you say "don't know"
[17:36] <mok0> soundray: ok, I'll search LP for something relevant
[17:41] <mok0> I tried doing apt-get dist-upgrade from hardy -> intrepid; it trashed the system
[17:43] <soundray> mok0: did you do a full update first, and did you have ubuntu-desktop installed?
[17:44] <mok0> soundray: I am a kubuntu user, so probably not
[17:44] <mok0> I did a full upgrade first
[17:44] <soundray> kubuntu-desktop, then?
[17:44] <mok0> soundray: yes
[17:44] <mok0> soundray: perhaps the kde4 one, even
[17:45] <mok0> soundray: The install eventually died on some gtk components
[17:45] <soundray> What did you do then?
[17:46] <mok0> soundray: download the intrepid installer ;-)
[17:46] <mok0> soundray: the problem with these things is that you can't repeat it
[17:47] <soundray> mok0: if it got stuck on gtk stuff, it should still have been bootable, no?
[17:47] <mok0> soundray: probably
[17:48] <mok0> soundray: but the whole system was a mix of old and new, so I went ahead
[17:48] <mok0> soundray: this is not my production machine, fortunately :-)
[17:49] <soundray> mok0: it better not be ;)
[17:49] <mok0> However, I had done incremental upgrades on it since edgy, so it's kinda like loosing a good friend
[17:50] <soundray> aww
[17:50] <soundray> I know exactly what you mean
[17:50] <mok0> soundray: I am worried that the libc 2.7 -> 2.8 upgrade had something to do with it
[17:54] <soundray> I'm thinking about testing intrepid on an Eee PC 900. Looking for hints, tips and general encouragement...
[17:56] <mok0> soundray: I am thinking of the EEE 901
[17:59] <soundray> You can't get that without XP, can you? If you can't, that would stop me...
[17:59] <mok0> soundray: I think so
[18:00] <mok0> soundray: I don't want XP either
[18:00] <mok0> I think the 901 has better battery life
[18:00] <mok0> due to the Atom processor
[18:02] <soundray> Battery is a problem on the 900. Mine came with a 4400 mAh one that lasts ~2h. I bought a 6600mAh, which sticks out the back and prevents the display from opening 180 degrees, but gives decent stamina
[18:10] <mok0> Ah, you already have the 900?
[18:10] <mok0> With a hard disk or a SSD?
[18:23] <DanaG> Heh, this morning I got 14 new e-mails about new bugs being marked as duplicates of 192888.
[18:23] <mp> Hi all, I have a serious problem: I am running Intrepid and now it doesn't recognize my nVidia graphic card anymore, meaning that I only get GNOME running in minimal resolution
[18:23] <mp> Funny thing is, it all worked fine in Hardy
[18:35] <s0u][ight> hello is linux-image-2.6.26-5-generic deleted from the repos?
[18:39] <mp> how do I downgrade to Hardy without wiping my harddrive?
[18:42] <x1250> mp, you can't
[18:52] <IdleOne> mp: you move your /home to a separate partition then you do a clean install of hardy without formating the /home partiton
[18:53] <mp> IdleOne, what tool can I use to create a seperate partition for /home/ ?
[18:53] <IdleOne> mp:  http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/separatehome
[18:53] <mp> thank you, I'll look into that immideately
[18:53] <IdleOne> no problem
[18:58] <gx009> if i have wireless connectivity on gnome it should also connect if i switch to a kde session, right?
[18:59] <gx009> am paranoid about knetworkmanager
[19:02] <gx009> tried burning 10 kubuntu 8.10 alpha 5 discs and all failed..  popped this ibex alpha1 disc and runs ok
[19:02] <gx009> grrr
[19:03] <gx009> shredder smells like burned plastic
[19:06] <gx009> am just going to install this alpha 1 with gnome, get it updated to current, and then try running kde4
[19:07] <gx009> hopefully wifi will be intact this way too
[19:48] <carandraug> mp: I had the same problem with my ATI graph card but I solved it by using the kernel I had with Hardy
[20:07] <void^> looks like there's a new feature in gnome-terminal: can't change keyboard shortcuts for 'switch to tab #x' ..
[20:13] <s0u][ight> hello i'm using ubuntu's intrepid release
[20:13] <s0u][ight> and when i try to compile compat-wireless i get
[20:13] <ph8> nicely done
[20:14] <s0u][ight> http://pastebin.ca/1197397
[20:14] <s0u][ight> there were no problems with linux-image-2.6.27-5-generic
[20:15] <s0u][ight> oops i mean 2.6.26-5-generic
[20:21] <MrKennie> adding module options to modprobe.d/options for iwl3945 seems to have no effect, has this changed in intrepid?
[20:23] <MrKennie> I'm actually trying to enable debug output so I can submit a bug report because I have a packet loss issue that has existed since hardy
[20:32] <ToHellWithGA> i used the "kcontrol" package to turn off sounds and change from single-click to double-click mode in kde applications running in vanilla ubuntu
[20:33] <ToHellWithGA> it no longer exists.  has it been replaced with something else which i can use to turn off sounds and change from single-click to double-click mode?
[20:33] <ToHellWithGA> !info kcontrol
[20:34] <ToHellWithGA> !info kcontrol hardy
[20:34] <MrKennie> ToHellWithGA: nothing under system settings?
[20:35] <ToHellWithGA> nada
[20:35] <ToHellWithGA> i like double-clicking in k3b
[20:39] <ToHellWithGA> MrKennie: now i know what you meant
[20:39] <ToHellWithGA> the package is now called "systemsettings" rather than "kcontrol"
[20:39] <MrKennie> ToHellWithGA: under keyboard and mouse
[20:39] <ToHellWithGA> thanks :)
[20:39] <baastrup> hey there im having an unresponsive keybord bout only under X/gdm, on my laptop what can that be?
[20:40] <ToHellWithGA> i don't have full kde, it was getting the package that had me hung up
[20:40] <MrKennie> ah
[20:40] <ToHellWithGA> later gators
[20:53] <laughtear> hello everyone, i need some help
[20:54] <laughtear> intrepid is installed, it's working well, but the hardware drivers of nvidia does not work properly. i just installed the alpha 5 this evening..
[20:56] <laughtear> the installed hardware driver is the 177th one of nvidia. but i also tried the 173 one before, nothing changed. i use this samsun 226bw in 800x600 now without 3d support (it should be 1680x1050)
[20:56] <laughtear> anyone have any idea about it which could help me?
[20:57] <laughtear> ???
[20:58] <laughtear> anybody here???
[21:01] <oxigen> no one knows how to help you apparently..
[21:01] <Tamagotono> Sorry, I just got here myself.  Is your monitor being detected properly but not allowing native resolution or is it just using default monitor settings?  Does it allow native resolutions if you use the NV driver?  Did it work with 8.04?
[21:03] <laughtear> well, when the system is starting a window appears (in low resolution) and says your graphic settings are not proper, i choose my graphic card and the monitor in that window but it fails..
[21:04] <laughtear> Tamagotono: thank you for you response...
[21:05] <laughtear> it does not allow the default res. of the monitor. but it was okay in hardy
[21:06] <laughtear> the restricted drivers are not working, the nvidia xserver settings program says so
[21:06] <laughtear> what will i do?
[21:06] <Tamagotono> read through your Xorg log file and see if it is detecting a usable monitor.  I am using a Viewsonic monitor with the 1680x1050 resolution but the Nvidia drivers cannot detect it.  It caused me a great deal of trouble until it gave it an EDID file to use.
[21:08] <laughtear> there my monitor is, looks like the screens and graphics settings put some lines for that...
[21:12] <Tamagotono> I don't understand.  are you saying that it is detected and is being used by the driver or it is failing, according to the xorg log?
[21:12] <laughtear> it's there in xorg.conf
[21:13] <laughtear> i don't have so much knowledge like you do... mean i'm a little dummy for these things
[21:14] <laughtear> well, one more thing, i can see nothing about the nvidia drivers in xorg.conf file...??
[21:16] <suprie> hai
[21:17] <suprie> i've upgraded to alpha 5
[21:17] <suprie> and now , there is no sound on my laptop
[21:17] <suprie> my soundcard is intel HDA
[21:19] <Tamagotono> laughtear: if you are running with the NV driver you will need to look at a log that was generated when trying to start X with the NVIDIA driver so the errors will show up.  You are currently using the nv drivers, correct?
[21:19] <suprie> okay forgot what i've said :D , it's working actually
[21:19] <suprie> it play sound now
[21:20] <bsnider> anybody here using an lcd?
[21:20] <Tamagotono> bsnider: probably lots of people.   You have a question about one?
[21:21] <bsnider> what do your fonts look like without subpixel smoothing?
[21:22] <bsnider> mine look like homer simpson's blindfolded scribblings
[21:22] <Tamagotono> I don't notice much difference personally.  But it does look a little nicer with it enabled.
[21:22] <Tamagotono> rough around the edges?
[21:22] <bsnider> try freesans
[21:24] <Tamagotono> bsnider: give me a minute.  my laptop is not running intrepid right now.  I'll boot into it and check out freesans
[21:24] <bsnider> k
[21:25] <Tamagotono> are you running alpha 4 or 5.  did you notice any difference between them?
[21:25] <bsnider> 5
[21:25] <bsnider> no difference
[21:25] <bsnider> this is a known bug but i wondered if everybody had it or it was specific to the graphics card
[21:26] <Tamagotono> which graphics card?
[21:26] <bsnider> nvidia
[21:27] <bsnider> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cairo/+bug/264254
[21:32] <bsnider> anybody here have an atheros wifi card, by any chance?
[21:35] <Tamagotono> OK, just checked it out on my laptop with an intel chipset.  It looks fine.  Unfortunately, it is using the VESA driver at 800x600 on a 1600x900 display so the results are somewhat subjective. :)
[21:36] <anmar> Hello Guys. I am testing Intrepid on my AMD G780 chipset board and it can't find my SATA drive. Any help gettting me further along so I can file some bugs?
[21:38] <Tamagotono> That reminded me of why I came here in the first place! :)  Anyone using the INTEL driver with a x4500MHD (aka Cantiga, aka G45) video chipset?  I can only get external video on my laptop unless I use the VESA driver.
[21:44] <bobesponja> hey
[21:45] <bobesponja> is there anything (badly) broken in intrepid today?
[21:46] <literal> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/264019
[21:46] <literal> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/150274
[21:46] <literal> I had these problems, but they have workarounds
[21:47] <bobesponja> ok thanks literal
[21:47] <literal> oh, oops, that second url is wrong
[21:48] <literal> I meant this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/267627
[21:58] <gx009> 2.6.27-2 does not boot up on mt-3422 (laptop)
[21:59] <gx009> 64bit
[21:59] <bsnider> what happens instead?
[22:00] <bsnider> Tamagotono, new intel driver being released on the 10th, will be merged shortly afterwards
[22:03] <gx009> i kept thinking it was the cd images of kubuntu that didnt work but the problem was that the puter couldnt boot up that specific kernel .. too bad i wasted 10 discs before figuring that one out
[22:04] <Tamagotono> kool, thanks.  I just bought the laptop and was thinking about returning it if I couldn't get a working display soon.
[22:12] <bsnider> you could try it with another distro
[22:12] <bsnider> like mandriva
[22:12] <bsnider> that one's closer to a stable release
[22:14] <gx009> in case you're talking to me.. 8.10 works well with my wireless card .. i just wanted to add kde .. which i have done under 2.6.26-2
[22:14] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/267627
[22:14] <dupondje> is duplicate
[22:15] <bsnider> i wasn't talking to you
[22:15] <dupondje> I know :)
[22:15] <dupondje> just some information ...
[22:15] <bsnider> but why would you want kde?
[22:15] <gx009> boredom
[22:16] <bsnider> i don't get it
[22:16] <anmar> Hello guys... it seems that intrepid has a problem with AMD 780G onbaord SATA controller.
[22:16] <anmar> I am gonna try the Alpha 5 first to get more information
[22:16] <gx009> but it looks cute too.. lets say am bored with the look of gnome
[22:18] <bsnider> anmar, amd doesn't have good linux support
[22:19] <chris062689> I know it's still in Alpha, but.. how stable is it?
[22:19] <dupondje> its stable
[22:19] <dupondje> just sometimes crappy problems :)
[22:19] <chris062689> I know Alpha software, your not supposed to use on Development Machines, etc.  But, for real life use, how stable is it?
[22:19] <bsnider> it is unstable
[22:19] <anmar> bsnider: yeah... they seem to heading in the right direction. This issue I think is a bug, cause my heron has been working without a hitch
[22:20] <void^> chris062689: if it eats all your data, will you be sad?
[22:20] <anmar> chris062689: I would listen to bsnider.  Use it for testing you code, if you want but don't develop on it.
[22:20] <gx009> small issues like not being able to boot up the latest kernel
[22:21] <anmar> gx009: or not finding your HD :)
[22:21] <bsnider> there's not anything like a stable kernel yet, lots of people can't boot it. use hardy
[22:21] <gx009> at least you got something to look at , anmar
[22:21] <bsnider> i would be totally shocked if intrepid meets its final release date
[22:21] <gx009> :-P
[22:21] <chris062689> Heh
[22:22] <chris062689> Ibex doesn't seem.. all that amazing.
[22:22] <anmar> gx009: Yeah... I have a calling to figure out what is going on and log a bug against it.
[22:22] <chris062689> Has anything been leaked about the new designer that's designing the theme?
[22:23] <gx009> i just use 2.6.26-2 .. that one still works.. hardy is oldschool already
[22:23] <bsnider> if you're bored with the human theme, use new wave
[22:24] <chris062689> Well, I want all of the neat new features
[22:24] <chris062689> Is Ibex really that unstable?
[22:24] <chris062689> Doesn't seem like much has changed aside from the kernel and new GNOME
[22:24] <gx009> i think it is easier for me to use kde4 now that it looks more gnomish
[22:25] <chris062689> How does KDE look GNOMEish?
[22:25] <bsnider> the kernel they're using is not a stable jernel release
[22:25] <bsnider> it's rc3 or 4
[22:25] <chris062689> Still, it's a RC.
[22:25] <gx009> the taskbar and icons are alot slimmer for once
[22:26] <bsnider> chris062689, boot the livecd and check how stable it is
[22:26] <chris062689> Yeah, that's probably the best way of doing it :)
[22:26] <chris062689> Whens beta come out again?
[22:26] <chris062689> !schedule
[22:27] <chris062689> It just looks like the Known Issues list keeps growing with each Alpha :(
[22:30] <chris062689> Does Alpha 5 include the new Compiz Fusion git?
[22:31] <RAOF> I'm not sure what you mean by "the", but there certainly is a git snapshot of Compiz in there.
[22:31] <bsnider> i can check the version
[22:31] <dupondje> 1:0.7.7+git20080807-0ubuntu6
[22:32] <bsnider> august 7 i guess
[22:32] <bsnider> or july 8
[22:32] <chris062689> lol
[22:34] <chris062689> Please tell me they've fixed all of the Pulseaudio bugs? :(
[22:34] <bsnider> so you want me to lie
[22:35] <chris062689> *sighs*
[22:35] <chris062689> Why did they put such a cripled system in a LTS?
[22:35] <bsnider> pulse 9.10 works ok i guess but 9.11 hasn't been added yet
[22:39] <bsnider> if you want a good pulseaudio you might have to go over to fedora i guess
[22:44] <RAOF> What do Fedora do differently?
[22:47] <crdlb> RAOF: employing lennart? :)
[22:47] <RAOF> Heh.
[22:50] <bsnider> i gues shtey don't have glitches and so forth, and they took the time to creat the "perfect setup" situation so users wouldn't have to do it themselves
[22:52] <bsnider> now supposedly they're trying to integrate it more and make it look more transparent with gnome instead of this clunky thing that's out there
[22:54]  * RAOF doesn't really notice the clunky thing.
[22:55] <bsnider> well, i don't think it's ideal to have two tray icons both having to do with the sound system
[22:55] <bsnider> and the pulse icons controls all sorts of stuff that's not terribly necessary  to show users
[22:56] <bsnider> that's more than clunky, it's confusing especially to first-time users
[23:02] <RAOF> bsnider: Right.  The advanced controls could do with some polish.
[23:03] <RAOF> The simple controls are exactly the same.
[23:03] <RAOF> (As the regular GNOME ones)
[23:03] <bsnider> no
[23:04] <RAOF> No?
[23:04] <bsnider> there is no master control channel on the pulse volume control window
[23:04] <bsnider> there is no program volume control list on alsamix
[23:04] <bsnider> so you now need 2 tray icons to do what one should
[23:05] <bsnider> i want one tab that controls everything, like in vista
[23:05] <bsnider> except i don't want to use vista
[23:05] <RAOF> Right.  But the things you're asking for are new features of pulse; the old UI still controls the old features.
[23:05] <RAOF> That's what I meant.  If you don't care about the cool things pulse can do, you don't have to.
[23:06] <bsnider> who says i don't care about all the cool things pulse can do?
[23:06] <bsnider> i do like pulse
[23:07] <bsnider> i would like a program that mixes alsamix and pavucontrol
[23:07] <RAOF> So would I.
[23:07] <bsnider> or merges i guess is how it should be said
[23:07] <RAOF> Well, not alsamix.  Gnome-volume-control ;)
[23:07] <bsnider> yeah
[23:08] <bsnider> frontend for alsamix
[23:08] <bsnider> from what i've heard, this is what fedora's developing
[23:08] <RAOF> Proabably.  It's the obvious thing to do.
[23:21] <carandraug> it seems that many people use the middle button to select and then paste that text or to open firefox tabs in new tabs. To do that I use right and left click at the same time (or I used to). I updated to Intrepid and that option no longers work. Anyone knows how to restore it? I think it's called middle click emulation. I didn't even knew that as it has always worked for me that way
[23:27] <milos_> i can't manage to make nvidia-glx driver work with kernel 2.6.27-2-generic, is that normal?
[23:28] <RAOF> milos_: Which (of the 4) drivers have you tried?
[23:28] <milos_> RAOF, 177
[23:29] <bsnider> roaf is the one to go to
[23:29] <RAOF> milos_: Works For Me(tm).
[23:29] <RAOF> You're not trying from nvidia.com, are you?
[23:30] <milos_> RAOF, then I am doing something wrong. No, this is how I tried:
[23:31] <milos_> RAOF, 1. boot with 2.6.27-2-generic, 2. reinstall nvidia-177-kernel-source
[23:31] <carandraug> I've found how to do it myself. I have to add the line "Option "Emulate3Buttons" "true"" in my Xorg. here's more options in the man page of "mousedrv"
[23:32] <RAOF> milos_: That sounds about right.
[23:33] <bsnider> and nvidia-glx-177
[23:33] <milos_> RAOF, when I do this it's it breaks installation showing some error about nvidia.ko I can't remember everything
[23:34] <milos_> bsnider, of course,this is automatically installed
[23:36] <milos_> does anybody now how to run 'apt-get install nvidia-177-kernel-source' so the error is written in file?
[23:36] <RAOF> milos_: "aptitude reinstall nvidia-177-kernel-source > mylogfile".  Yay console redirection!
[23:37] <milos_> RAOF, ok I will try now
[23:57] <milos_> RAOF, here is the the log http://pastebin.com/m2143b24a
[23:57] <bsnider> is linux-headers installed?