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| hubuntu | http://dev.chromium.org/developers/how-tos/build-instructions-linux | 12:50 |
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| hubuntu | men merk at: Note: There is no working Chromium-based browser on Linux. Although many Chromium submodules build under Linux and a few unit tests pass, all that runs is a command-line "all tests pass" executable. | 12:50 |
| hubuntu | sorry.. wrong vchannel | 12:51 |
| bladiebla | newz2000, are you there? | 13:47 |
| newz2000 | bl | 14:31 |
| newz2000 | oops | 14:31 |
| newz2000 | hi | 14:31 |
| thorwil | nice, just in time, as i wanted to ask, too :) | 14:31 |
| thorwil | newz2000: seen https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/IntrepidCountdownBanners?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=tw_intrepid_countdown_04_spiral.png ? | 14:32 |
| newz2000 | looking good thorwil | 14:34 |
| newz2000 | that is the nicest ibex picture I've seen I think | 14:34 |
| newz2000 | but of course we drop all reference to ibex at the end of this month | 14:35 |
| newz2000 | I have to show that to Ken | 14:35 |
| thorwil | newz2000: thank you! it's actually just a rough trace, to show the idea | 14:35 |
| thorwil | newz2000: everything else in these variations is meant to be production ready, though | 14:36 |
| thorwil | newz2000: given the preference for the dots, i don't intend to finish the hands. too much work to do both and i'd rather keep that as an option for next time | 14:37 |
| newz2000 | the dots are good | 14:38 |
| qense | hello | 15:48 |
| newz2000 | hi qense | 15:49 |
| thorwil | hello qense | 15:50 |
| newz2000 | I just got an email from some students in .nl who want to do some usability testing on ubuntu.com for a class. | 15:51 |
| newz2000 | Sounds like a fun class | 15:51 |
| qense | yeah | 15:51 |
| qense | What uni? | 15:51 |
| qense | Delft? | 15:51 |
| qense | I know Delft has got dual boots everywhere. | 15:51 |
| qense | They told me it was much easier to use Linux for basic tasks, since gcc works much better and faster than Windows' equivalents. | 15:52 |
| newz2000 | the email domain is xept.nl and they merely said, "Information Technology student from the Netherlands" | 15:52 |
| newz2000 | I encouraged them to sign on here or the email list, maybe we'll hear from them | 15:52 |
| qense | I don't know a xept :) | 15:52 |
| qense | who knows | 15:52 |
| qense | firefox is really slow today :S | 15:55 |
| newz2000 | qense: Erik_J is the student I mentioned | 16:01 |
| Erik_J | ahh qense is dutch isn't it? | 16:02 |
| qense | yes I am :) | 16:02 |
| Erik_J | nice :) | 16:02 |
| Erik_J | I want to test downloading iso's file, ordering cd, | 16:03 |
| Erik_J | "taking the tour" and some others things | 16:03 |
| qense | You already found shipit? | 16:03 |
| Erik_J | yes, today I found the launchpad blue prints | 16:03 |
| Erik_J | I guess that is what you mean | 16:04 |
| qense | no | 16:04 |
| qense | shipit is the free cd shipping service | 16:04 |
| newz2000 | https://shipit.ubuntu.com | 16:04 |
| qense | I do have some 32bit CDs left though, I also could send you some myself. | 16:04 |
| Erik_J | newz2000, understand that you can't implement all the changes, but evaluating is enough :) | 16:05 |
| newz2000 | I'd love to see the results of your testing | 16:05 |
| newz2000 | Erik_J: how do you plan to choose testers? | 16:05 |
| Erik_J | ehmm we are going to test it with a laptop I can borrow from my work. Two other student and me are going to test average users. I read in the book "Don't make me think" that you should't spend to much time on searching for Target group users. | 16:10 |
| newz2000 | Erik_J: are people in your area generally comfortable with English? | 16:10 |
| Erik_J | but we are going to test a lot of student from different eduacations ( technical and non-tech) | 16:11 |
| Erik_J | ehmm yes other people are better in English. | 16:11 |
| newz2000 | ok, that was my concern | 16:12 |
| newz2000 | if the people use test aren't comfortable with English it may provide less useful results | 16:12 |
| qense | People in the Netherlands get familiar with English very soon in their lives. :) It's everywhere here. | 16:12 |
| qense | Slogans, titles, company names, expressions, slang | 16:12 |
| Erik_J | and al lot of people understand English beter than they speak | 16:13 |
| qense | true | 16:13 |
| newz2000 | gotcha, I can relate to that | 16:13 |
| Erik_J | I read English every day but I never speak it. | 16:13 |
| thorwil | heh, same here | 16:14 |
| Erik_J | I hope it become better when I chat a lot :) When my English is very bad, please say | 16:15 |
| newz2000 | if we have trouble understanding you we'll let you know | 16:15 |
| newz2000 | so far all good though | 16:15 |
| Erik_J | wednesday we are going to define alle the specific parts we want to test. | 16:16 |
| qense | Where are you going to publish the results? | 16:16 |
| Erik_J | ehm our plan was to make a report about it but we can also publish it on a wiki page | 16:17 |
| qense | I think a lot of people here would be very interested in the results. | 16:17 |
| newz2000 | how about sharing it with the email list? I think that would be an appropriate location | 16:17 |
| Erik_J | no problem | 16:18 |
| newz2000 | or on the wiki | 16:18 |
| Erik_J | wich other parts do you like to be tested? | 16:19 |
| Erik_J | we have ten weeks :) | 16:19 |
| newz2000 | keep it short, I'd pick no more than two if I were you... assuming you have a life outside of your schoolwork. :-) | 16:19 |
| Erik_J | 1 or 2 days a week | 16:19 |
| newz2000 | because you have to test, then propose a solution, retest, etc | 16:20 |
| qense | Are you going to focus on 'digibeten'(don't know the English word for this!) or experienced people? | 16:20 |
| Erik_J | both | 16:20 |
| Erik_J | digibeter = computer novice | 16:21 |
| Erik_J | i think | 16:21 |
| thorwil | qense: digibeten derived from analphabeten? that would be computer illiterate, then, to be pretty precise | 16:22 |
| Erik_J | yes from analphabeten | 16:22 |
| qense | that's the word I was looking for! | 16:22 |
| thorwil | if you say computer novice, most will expect they have at least a clue how to use a mouse ;) | 16:23 |
| Erik_J | mja I mean people who don't know what open-source, linux enz. is | 16:23 |
| newz2000 | Erik_J: so if your tests include shipit you will be including another interesting challenge in your test process, signing onto launchpad, which may include creating a launchpad user account. | 16:24 |
| thorwil | well, that's pretty specific knowledge | 16:24 |
| Erik_J | that's also a thing I'd like to improve. I have tested ubuntu.com on 6 friends who have no idea what ubuntu is and it was very hard for them to figure out what all the words mean. I think we can make that better by adding acronym tags | 16:27 |
| Erik_J | A few months ago I already did a test just for fun. | 16:28 |
| newz2000 | those results will be interesting to see | 16:29 |
| Erik_J | I was to lazy to translate the results in english | 16:29 |
| newz2000 | that's ok | 16:29 |
| newz2000 | I mean future results | 16:29 |
| newz2000 | I believe you about the acronyms being confusing | 16:29 |
| qense | Did you also look at www.ubuntu-nl.org ? | 16:30 |
| qense | got to go, dinner time! | 16:30 |
| newz2000 | see you later qense | 16:30 |
| Erik_J | have a nice dinner | 16:30 |
| Erik_J | The first sentence on the ubuntu site for example: Ubuntu is a community developed, Linux-based operating system that is perfect for laptops, desktops and servers. | 16:31 |
| Erik_J | a lot of people don't know what linux, laptops, desktop and servers are | 16:31 |
| Erik_J | they won't continue reading because they don't understand it | 16:32 |
| Erik_J | adding the <acronym> tags can solve that a little bit | 16:32 |
| newz2000 | mpt: You might be interested in this conversation | 16:32 |
| newz2000 | (mpt is the usability lead for ubuntu and formerly for launchpad's UI) | 16:33 |
| Erik_J | cool | 16:33 |
| newz2000 | do you have a way to test this? (effectiveness of acronym tag) | 16:34 |
| Erik_J | I'm not a expirienced interaction designer. I have only read the books "Don't make me think" and "User centered website development" and I'm working at a dutch usability company as php/html/css dev (beside my study) | 16:35 |
| Erik_J | I will ask at my work about the effectuveness of acronym tags | 16:36 |
| newz2000 | There has recently been discussion on this on the web | 16:37 |
| Erik_J | they pop up slow and I think that a lot of users don't know thet exists :P | 16:37 |
| newz2000 | right | 16:37 |
| newz2000 | better is to not use unrecognized jargon on pages like this | 16:37 |
| Erik_J | you mean don't user words like linux etc? | 16:38 |
| Erik_J | user = use | 16:38 |
| newz2000 | yes | 16:38 |
| Erik_J | I agree | 16:38 |
| Erik_J | I found the document with the ubuntu.com test results | 16:41 |
| Erik_J | they are from jan. 09 | 16:41 |
| Erik_J | ehh 08 | 16:41 |
| Erik_J | wrong, it's 4-08. I have translated it to english. I will check the English and I can send it to you | 16:43 |
| newz2000 | sure, send it to the list, introduce yourself and your plans | 16:43 |
| newz2000 | you don't have to write a lot, just a brief intro is fine | 16:43 |
| newz2000 | I'll bet you get a lot of encouragement | 16:43 |
| thorwil | i don't think acronym tags are the solution, whatever they are exactly. rather a complete rephrasing. this is of course not simple, if can't even assume people know what an operating system is | 16:45 |
| Erik_J | http://www.w3schools.com/tags/tag_acronym.asp | 16:47 |
| newz2000 | http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/radiolabs/2008/06/removing_microformats_from_bbc.shtml | 16:48 |
| thorwil | ah, that. slow. user must move the pointer there. i bet inexperienced users will not do so | 16:48 |
| newz2000 | I don't know if that's relevant or not, but skimmed the headline a few weeks ago | 16:48 |
| newz2000 | thorwil: I showed ken your banners and he really likes the dots | 16:50 |
| thorwil | newz2000: cool :) | 16:50 |
| thorwil | newz2000: 30 to 15 for all 3 flavors are pretty much done. rest only need numbers scaled to fit. but i have to figure out a sane way to export all this | 16:52 |
| newz2000 | are you doing it in inkscape? | 16:52 |
| thorwil | yes | 16:52 |
| newz2000 | yes, this is a challenge | 16:53 |
| newz2000 | I'd say wait just a little longer before you do all the work, someone inside Canonical named "Kat" had some comments | 16:53 |
| qense | back | 16:54 |
| newz2000 | unfortunately she's not online now so I can't figure out when she'll speak up | 16:55 |
| thorwil | newz2000: speak out about what exactly? | 16:55 |
| Erik_J | I'm gone, I'll be back later this evening | 16:55 |
| newz2000 | ok, nice meeting you Erik_J | 16:55 |
| newz2000 | thorwil: I'm not sure, colors maybe | 16:55 |
| thorwil | newz2000: luckily i'm using tiled clones :) | 16:56 |
| newz2000 | oh, cool | 16:56 |
| Erik_J | newz2000, nice to meet you too | 16:56 |
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| thorwil | allthough i consider to try a background that brightens up with dropping numbers | 16:57 |
| newz2000 | she said something about trying to get away from red, but I asked her what color in the palette to use instead and she never replied (and there just aren't any other dark colors available to us) | 16:58 |
| thorwil | newz2000: how exactly should the countdown images be named? | 20:50 |
| newz2000 | thorwil: anything will work, as logn as it's consistent and uses a two-digit day as part of the file name. | 21:06 |
| newz2000 | for example, for 804: 804countdown_07days.jpg | 21:06 |
| thorwil | newz2000: you can use plain rects in inkscape as "targets" for export. rectangles added in a row have rising id numbers. always plus 2 | 21:09 |
| thorwil | so i write a script to replace these numeric ids with filenames inside the svg :) | 21:09 |
| newz2000 | slick | 21:09 |
| newz2000 | that's the beauty of svg | 21:09 |
| emunkki | thorwil, would that script be usable by the kubuntu folks as well? ;) | 21:10 |
| newz2000 | I can't wait until browser support is consistent and at least on par with what ff3 can do | 21:10 |
| thorwil | emunkki: perhaps. it's really a bloody hack, though | 21:10 |
| thorwil | and not done since i don't even know how to zero-pad, yet | 21:11 |
| thorwil | which has to wait for tomorrow | 21:11 |
| emunkki | ok | 21:11 |
| emunkki | we're also working with the countdown banners | 21:11 |
| thorwil | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Website/IntrepidCountdownBanners ? | 21:12 |
| thorwil | oh, a copy | 21:13 |
| thorwil | gotta run, good night :) | 21:13 |
| Erik_AFK | Time for some sleep. Good night/day/morning/whatever | 23:07 |
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