=== BugMaN1 is now known as BugMaN [12:50] http://dev.chromium.org/developers/how-tos/build-instructions-linux [12:50] men merk at: Note: There is no working Chromium-based browser on Linux. Although many Chromium submodules build under Linux and a few unit tests pass, all that runs is a command-line "all tests pass" executable. [12:51] sorry.. wrong vchannel [13:47] newz2000, are you there? [14:31] bl [14:31] oops [14:31] hi [14:31] nice, just in time, as i wanted to ask, too :) [14:32] newz2000: seen https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/IntrepidCountdownBanners?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=tw_intrepid_countdown_04_spiral.png ? [14:34] looking good thorwil [14:34] that is the nicest ibex picture I've seen I think [14:35] but of course we drop all reference to ibex at the end of this month [14:35] I have to show that to Ken [14:35] newz2000: thank you! it's actually just a rough trace, to show the idea [14:36] newz2000: everything else in these variations is meant to be production ready, though [14:37] newz2000: given the preference for the dots, i don't intend to finish the hands. too much work to do both and i'd rather keep that as an option for next time [14:38] the dots are good [15:48] hello [15:49] hi qense [15:50] hello qense [15:51] I just got an email from some students in .nl who want to do some usability testing on ubuntu.com for a class. [15:51] Sounds like a fun class [15:51] yeah [15:51] What uni? [15:51] Delft? [15:51] I know Delft has got dual boots everywhere. [15:52] They told me it was much easier to use Linux for basic tasks, since gcc works much better and faster than Windows' equivalents. [15:52] the email domain is xept.nl and they merely said, "Information Technology student from the Netherlands" [15:52] I encouraged them to sign on here or the email list, maybe we'll hear from them [15:52] I don't know a xept :) [15:52] who knows [15:55] firefox is really slow today :S [16:01] qense: Erik_J is the student I mentioned [16:02] ahh qense is dutch isn't it? [16:02] yes I am :) [16:02] nice :) [16:03] I want to test downloading iso's file, ordering cd, [16:03] "taking the tour" and some others things [16:03] You already found shipit? [16:03] yes, today I found the launchpad blue prints [16:04] I guess that is what you mean [16:04] no [16:04] shipit is the free cd shipping service [16:04] https://shipit.ubuntu.com [16:04] I do have some 32bit CDs left though, I also could send you some myself. [16:05] newz2000, understand that you can't implement all the changes, but evaluating is enough :) [16:05] I'd love to see the results of your testing [16:05] Erik_J: how do you plan to choose testers? [16:10] ehmm we are going to test it with a laptop I can borrow from my work. Two other student and me are going to test average users. I read in the book "Don't make me think" that you should't spend to much time on searching for Target group users. [16:10] Erik_J: are people in your area generally comfortable with English? [16:11] but we are going to test a lot of student from different eduacations ( technical and non-tech) [16:11] ehmm yes other people are better in English. [16:12] ok, that was my concern [16:12] if the people use test aren't comfortable with English it may provide less useful results [16:12] People in the Netherlands get familiar with English very soon in their lives. :) It's everywhere here. [16:12] Slogans, titles, company names, expressions, slang [16:13] and al lot of people understand English beter than they speak [16:13] true [16:13] gotcha, I can relate to that [16:13] I read English every day but I never speak it. [16:14] heh, same here [16:15] I hope it become better when I chat a lot :) When my English is very bad, please say [16:15] if we have trouble understanding you we'll let you know [16:15] so far all good though [16:16] wednesday we are going to define alle the specific parts we want to test. [16:16] Where are you going to publish the results? [16:17] ehm our plan was to make a report about it but we can also publish it on a wiki page [16:17] I think a lot of people here would be very interested in the results. [16:17] how about sharing it with the email list? I think that would be an appropriate location [16:18] no problem [16:18] or on the wiki [16:19] wich other parts do you like to be tested? [16:19] we have ten weeks :) [16:19] keep it short, I'd pick no more than two if I were you... assuming you have a life outside of your schoolwork. :-) [16:19] 1 or 2 days a week [16:20] because you have to test, then propose a solution, retest, etc [16:20] Are you going to focus on 'digibeten'(don't know the English word for this!) or experienced people? [16:20] both [16:21] digibeter = computer novice [16:21] i think [16:22] qense: digibeten derived from analphabeten? that would be computer illiterate, then, to be pretty precise [16:22] yes from analphabeten [16:22] that's the word I was looking for! [16:23] if you say computer novice, most will expect they have at least a clue how to use a mouse ;) [16:23] mja I mean people who don't know what open-source, linux enz. is [16:24] Erik_J: so if your tests include shipit you will be including another interesting challenge in your test process, signing onto launchpad, which may include creating a launchpad user account. [16:24] well, that's pretty specific knowledge [16:27] that's also a thing I'd like to improve. I have tested ubuntu.com on 6 friends who have no idea what ubuntu is and it was very hard for them to figure out what all the words mean. I think we can make that better by adding acronym tags [16:28] A few months ago I already did a test just for fun. [16:29] those results will be interesting to see [16:29] I was to lazy to translate the results in english [16:29] that's ok [16:29] I mean future results [16:29] I believe you about the acronyms being confusing [16:30] Did you also look at www.ubuntu-nl.org ? [16:30] got to go, dinner time! [16:30] see you later qense [16:30] have a nice dinner [16:31] The first sentence on the ubuntu site for example: Ubuntu is a community developed, Linux-based operating system that is perfect for laptops, desktops and servers. [16:31] a lot of people don't know what linux, laptops, desktop and servers are [16:32] they won't continue reading because they don't understand it [16:32] adding the tags can solve that a little bit [16:32] mpt: You might be interested in this conversation [16:33] (mpt is the usability lead for ubuntu and formerly for launchpad's UI) [16:33] cool [16:34] do you have a way to test this? (effectiveness of acronym tag) [16:35] I'm not a expirienced interaction designer. I have only read the books "Don't make me think" and "User centered website development" and I'm working at a dutch usability company as php/html/css dev (beside my study) [16:36] I will ask at my work about the effectuveness of acronym tags [16:37] There has recently been discussion on this on the web [16:37] they pop up slow and I think that a lot of users don't know thet exists :P [16:37] right [16:37] better is to not use unrecognized jargon on pages like this [16:38] you mean don't user words like linux etc? [16:38] user = use [16:38] yes [16:38] I agree [16:41] I found the document with the ubuntu.com test results [16:41] they are from jan. 09 [16:41] ehh 08 [16:43] wrong, it's 4-08. I have translated it to english. I will check the English and I can send it to you [16:43] sure, send it to the list, introduce yourself and your plans [16:43] you don't have to write a lot, just a brief intro is fine [16:43] I'll bet you get a lot of encouragement [16:45] i don't think acronym tags are the solution, whatever they are exactly. rather a complete rephrasing. this is of course not simple, if can't even assume people know what an operating system is [16:47] http://www.w3schools.com/tags/tag_acronym.asp [16:48] http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/radiolabs/2008/06/removing_microformats_from_bbc.shtml [16:48] ah, that. slow. user must move the pointer there. i bet inexperienced users will not do so [16:48] I don't know if that's relevant or not, but skimmed the headline a few weeks ago [16:50] thorwil: I showed ken your banners and he really likes the dots [16:50] newz2000: cool :) [16:52] newz2000: 30 to 15 for all 3 flavors are pretty much done. rest only need numbers scaled to fit. but i have to figure out a sane way to export all this [16:52] are you doing it in inkscape? [16:52] yes [16:53] yes, this is a challenge [16:53] I'd say wait just a little longer before you do all the work, someone inside Canonical named "Kat" had some comments [16:54] back [16:55] unfortunately she's not online now so I can't figure out when she'll speak up [16:55] newz2000: speak out about what exactly? [16:55] I'm gone, I'll be back later this evening [16:55] ok, nice meeting you Erik_J [16:55] thorwil: I'm not sure, colors maybe [16:56] newz2000: luckily i'm using tiled clones :) [16:56] oh, cool [16:56] newz2000, nice to meet you too === Erik_J is now known as Erik_AFK [16:57] allthough i consider to try a background that brightens up with dropping numbers [16:58] she said something about trying to get away from red, but I asked her what color in the palette to use instead and she never replied (and there just aren't any other dark colors available to us) [20:50] newz2000: how exactly should the countdown images be named? [21:06] thorwil: anything will work, as logn as it's consistent and uses a two-digit day as part of the file name. [21:06] for example, for 804: 804countdown_07days.jpg [21:09] newz2000: you can use plain rects in inkscape as "targets" for export. rectangles added in a row have rising id numbers. always plus 2 [21:09] so i write a script to replace these numeric ids with filenames inside the svg :) [21:09] slick [21:09] that's the beauty of svg [21:10] thorwil, would that script be usable by the kubuntu folks as well? ;) [21:10] I can't wait until browser support is consistent and at least on par with what ff3 can do [21:10] emunkki: perhaps. it's really a bloody hack, though [21:11] and not done since i don't even know how to zero-pad, yet [21:11] which has to wait for tomorrow [21:11] ok [21:11] we're also working with the countdown banners [21:12] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Website/IntrepidCountdownBanners ? [21:13] oh, a copy [21:13] gotta run, good night :) [23:07] Time for some sleep. Good night/day/morning/whatever