* apachelogger should have never touched kdelibs00:39
apacheloggerScottK: Do you think the amd64 FTBFS is still due to gcc? It certainly doesn't make much sense to me.00:40
RiddellJaunty Jackalope, now I doubt anyone suspected it would be that animal01:12
apacheloggerI don't even know what thing looks like01:16
apacheloggerhm, time for rofl I guess01:17
seelekwwii will have a great time with that one01:23
JontheEchidnajaunty jackalope?01:25
* JontheEchidna lol'd01:25
JontheEchidnaThey should have made it Jaunty Jaguar, and then Ubuntu's task would be to become an OSX clone to follow prophet Mark Shuttleworth's vision of becoming better-looking for Vista01:25
JontheEchidna*than OSX, rather01:25
apacheloggerKDE 4.1++01:29
apacheloggerI like that name :D01:30
seeleknowing apple, they probably copyrighted jaguar as a os release codename01:30
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: did you see the new new device notifier icon01:30
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: new icon?01:31
apacheloggerlooks better I have to say01:31
* apachelogger recommends backporting :P01:31
JontheEchidnacan haz screenshot?01:31
apacheloggerbut not what I was lookign for01:32
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdebase/runtime/pics/oxygen/128x128/apps/device-notifier.png?revision=855488&view=markup&sortby=date01:34
JontheEchidnaoh wow, my first plasma crash in ages01:34
JontheEchidnaoooh, nice icon01:34
vorianooh, pretty01:35
apacheloggerI hate patches01:38
apacheloggeradding non-kde applications to favorites works in trunk01:38
apacheloggerso either it is broken in the 4.1 branch or it's a patch01:38
apacheloggerI tend to think it's the latter TBH01:39
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: saw the most recent comment on my blog?02:16
* JontheEchidna looks02:16
JontheEchidnaHa, I delt with this genius on digg to02:17
JontheEchidnahe's a rabid Ubuntu/GTK fan02:17
JontheEchidnaWhat I find funny02:18
JontheEchidnais that Qt/KDE people have been doing integration work for both sides02:18
JontheEchidnaand he beats up on Qt/KDE for not doing the work for them fast enough02:18
* apachelogger wishes he wouldn't have to cope with such comments02:19
JontheEchidnahe's probably one of those people that thinks Qt is "less free" than GTK02:20
apacheloggerone of those who belive what the choose to belive02:21
apacheloggerfar too many of those are commenting my blog02:21
JontheEchidnayou are on planet ubuntu02:21
apacheloggerthat does mean I have to deal with narrowmindend perky fanboys?02:22
* apachelogger should unsubscribe02:24
apacheloggerdeactivate comments02:24
JontheEchidnamight wanna hold off on that02:24
JontheEchidnato avoid dramaz02:24
* apachelogger is a drama queen02:24
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: f502:26
JontheEchidnathe last-last comment?02:26
* JontheEchidna had seen02:27
ScottKapachelogger: I'm pretty under the weather today, so I haven't looked.  Ask NCommander, he LOVES FTBFS.02:29
ScottKJontheEchidna: If the GTK rabid fanboy crowd realized qt is GPL, then they'd have to notice that the rationale for Gnome has evaporated.02:31
apacheloggeralmost bad time for me, will do tomorrow02:31
JontheEchidnaScottK: I think they hide behind usability02:32
apacheloggerScottK: I hope they will go with a 'but most companies prefer GTK'02:32
JontheEchidnaor the notion that taking away functionality is usability02:32
apacheloggerthen I can strangle them with their on rationale, where Qt is not being used because they would have to make the linked code free software ;-)02:33
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: nowadays adding tabs is usability02:33
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: I think that was a guadec joke :P02:34
apacheloggerno, I think they were pretty serious about it :P02:34
* apachelogger hopes to see kde-nightly-kdeplasma-addons before he goes to bed02:34
apacheloggerholy barracuda02:54
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: I knew it was a bad idea to support your bugcontrol application02:54
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: sorry :P02:54
JontheEchidnait's even more annoying now isn't it?02:55
ScottK-laptopWhat happened?02:55
JontheEchidnaI handle lots of KDE bugs, apachelogger subscribes to most KDE package bugmail02:55
* apachelogger should change that02:56
apacheloggerhang -> termination -> crash02:56
apacheloggerI guess systemsettings doesn't take kindly to termination02:56
JontheEchidnait would be nice if you could configure what kind of bug activity would email you03:01
* apachelogger is wondering how to properly reply to a sysadmin request03:01
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: not even that would make sense03:02
apacheloggermore like activity of certain people03:02
apacheloggere.g. I don't review your status changes anymore, but those of most other people03:03
* apachelogger thinks kdeplasma-addons is going to compile this time03:06
jjesseJontheEchidna: i see you got approved to the bug squad03:12
JontheEchidnajjesse: hehe, yup03:12
* JontheEchidna has been having fun with kdebase*03:13
apacheloggerand messed up my bugs folder!03:13
* jjesse has been way to busy to deal w/ bugs lately03:13
jjessethat didn't work as pllaned03:16
jjesseis this thing still on?03:23
apacheloggerwhat thing?03:23
apacheloggerkde-nightly-kdeplasma-addons is one empty package03:25
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JontheEchidnamornfall: if dpkg is in a state where this message occurs, adept will crash on startup: E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.04:28
JontheEchidnaterminate called after throwing an instance of 'adept::RecoveryNeededException'04:28
JontheEchidna  what():  an unspecified problem happened; if you see this message, please report a bug to the maintainer. Context:04:28
JontheEchidna    no context information available04:28
JontheEchidnaKCrash: Application 'adept' crashing...04:28
* JontheEchidna goes to bed04:35
NCommanderhey apachelogger05:20
mornfallRiddell: Please sync Adept (beta 2) from incoming, if you can. Thanks.07:52
mornfallRiddell: (It only fixes regressions, I'll try to get out a beta 3 before final.)07:52
mornfallRiddell: With a few other fixes. But, I apparently didn't find any time for those during the last week and beta 2 was quite overdue already.07:53
jussi01apachelogger: just a quick reminder about that hardy abckport of quassel08:35
cjwatsonHi. I'm rejecting https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/267912 because it doesn't make sense to take bug reports about the wiki in LP and we don't have a good way to track them there, but could somebody check whether this is deliberate and if not fix it? It seems to be out of line with how you've done things in previous releases.10:36
ubottuLaunchpad bug 267912 in ubuntu "Kubuntu Alpha5 Page links to Alpha 1 Feedback" [Undecided,Invalid]10:36
Riddellcjwatson: I'll fix that10:38
seaLneis anyone else loosing the ability every so often to click with their mouse? it still moves just nothing responds to clicks (usb, tried diff mouse)10:39
seaLnevery weird :-/10:40
RiddellseaLne: I've seen that happen once when there was a password window which seemed to confuse kwin10:44
seaLneah thanks stupid gq10:45
jpdscjwatson: That bug could be related to the problem described at bug #25943610:51
ubottuLaunchpad bug 259436 in ubuntu-website "Wiki login not persistent with Konqueror" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/25943610:51
Riddellmornfall: synced! thanks11:30
mornfallAck, thanks.11:30
jussi01Morning JontheEchidna12:16
mornfallRiddell: For things that are in adept 3.0~beta2, do I set "fix released"? In launchpad bug tracker.12:18
mornfallWell, I closed two of them, the rest looks like a big jumble, hopefully someone manages to sift through that.12:25
Riddellmornfall: yes fix released when it's in the archive12:28
Riddellapachelogger: looks like that kdelibs build error also affects samba412:38
Riddellseele: settings textbesideicons works fine when per user12:38
Riddellseele: it's only when set in our /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/config/kdeglobals that it doesn't work12:39
Riddelland I think there's a problem with that whole file12:39
Riddellno idea why, strace shows it being read12:39
Riddellhowever it's fine when I put it in /etc/kde4/kdeglobals so I'll just move it to there12:39
apacheloggerRiddell: the gcc breakage?12:40
apachelogger♥ opendns.com12:41
RiddellI don't know if it's related to the gcc breakage12:41
apachelogger/usr/include/asm-generic/fcntl.h:117: error: redefinition of 'struct flock'12:44
apacheloggerthe very same error kdelibs had on amd6412:44
apacheloggerso I suppose it is caused by gcc12:44
Riddellwell all compiler errors are caused by gcc, but I don't know if it's a gcc bug or just a change in gcc showing a bug elsewhere12:48
seeleRiddell: huh, i thought i had tested it per user, but it's good that i was wrong :)12:51
smartermornfall: is it a known bug that when downloading new packages, all the progress bars get stuck at ~80% except one?12:55
mornfallNot a known bug for sure.12:56
mornfallCan I have a screenshot, exact version, etc?12:56
smartertaking a screenshot right now12:56
smarterversion is beta212:56
smarterhmm, no it's beta112:57
mornfallShouldn't really make a difference.12:57
mornfallI didn't touch the download progress code since then.12:57
mornfallI think it didn't change since alpha 3.12:58
smarterI'll upgrade to beta2 and try to reproduce it, here is a screenshot: http://pix.nofrag.com/6/b/c/ff24af2d6a0b9283017a380cd7b24.html12:58
mornfallLast change is:12:59
mornfallThu Jul 31 12:58:01 CEST 2008  me@mornfall.net12:59
mornfallDo you have connectivity issues?13:00
mornfallLooks like APT bug to me. Dunno. I haven't seen anything like this happen.13:00
smarterand it looks like the packages were completely downloaded13:01
seelejjesse: did you find brainstorm issues to put in your app or did you just add some?13:01
smartermornfall: the "openoffice.org-core" and the last progress bars were moving13:01
mornfallsmarter: Hard to tell. Is that reproducible? Do you have a proxy?13:01
smarterno proxy13:01
smarterI'm building adept2 and will try to reproduce it after13:02
mornfallAh, so you only got duplicate scrollbars, right?13:02
mornfallErr, s/scrollbars/progressbars/.13:02
smarterI don't know if it's suppoed to have multiple progressbars (:13:02
smarterlooks like something is not refreshed thought13:03
mornfallsmarter: It might, for parallel downloads.13:03
smarter*repainted even13:03
mornfallsmarter: It seems the avutils stuff comes from medibuntu.org, openoffice from ubuntu.com -- those would get downloaded in parallel.13:03
mornfallsmarter: But, I possibly see the bug. You don't happen to have terminal output of that adept around, do you?13:03
smarterI have :)13:04
* smarter paste it somewhere13:04
mornfallNow, if it has multiple fetching item: with same URL, that's the bug.13:04
smarter(at that point I clicked on cancel)13:04
smarterlooks like it's that :)13:05
apacheloggerhm, I am running out of stuff for kde-nightly13:05
mornfallRiddell: Maybe he means weed? ; - )13:06
apacheloggerRiddell: KDE modules13:06
apacheloggerkdeplasma-addons is now part of the family as well13:06
apacheloggerand kdeutils is on the way13:06
smarterapachelogger: cool13:06
mornfallsmarter: I'd say that medibuntu has connectivity issues, though.13:07
smartermornfall: that's possible, we had some servers problem earlier13:07
smarter(^ talking with my medibuntu hat on :p)13:07
mornfallsmarter: Ok. Nevertheless, it should be fixed on my tree. It'll get into beta 3.13:08
* apachelogger gets the batmask and looks at smarter13:08
mornfallsmarter: Thanks for the report, too.13:08
smarterapachelogger: oohh all that time, it was you the batman! :p13:08
smartermornfall: yw13:08
mornfallIt's great when people actually have the info at their hands.13:09
apacheloggermornfall: you should just make adept aggregate the information automagically13:09
apacheloggerthat is pretty much what amarok did with their backtrace mailer13:09
smarterapachelogger: except it didn't crash here13:10
apacheloggerthat doesn't stop adept from keeping a stdout log13:10
mornfallapachelogger: Right, but that's coding time that I currently don't have.13:10
apacheloggerthat reminds me.... I still have uber verbose kDebug turned on13:10
mornfallHmh. Would be very counter-intuitive to reverse the download list? Adding items to the start instead of end...13:12
mornfallIt would work around the scrollbar issues I'm having there...13:12
smartermornfall: adept is asking me if I want to install the new version of a config file or keep the old one, couldn't it open a diff like apt?13:14
mornfallsmarter: It could, and I think it's on the todo -- but you can diff manually for now. It should give you paths to both versions.13:14
smarteryes it does, great if it's on the todo ;)13:15
smartermornfall: also, it's only IMHO but I think you should move the update/upgrade/apply/revert buttons to toolbar buttons with icons13:17
mornfallsmarter: Well, it's been discussed before. Earlier on, availability of "apply" without need to go through change preview has been very criticised...13:20
mornfallSo I am not very keen on doing that move. And disabling bits of toolbar semi-randomly (to the user) seems like bad policy, too.13:20
mornfallYes, it's available on the menu right now...13:20
mornfallWhich might stir some controversy already. We'll see.13:21
smartermaybe you could change it to a "review before apply" or something that would change the current tab to the changes tab?13:21
apacheloggerRiddell: the following packages can be removed: dolphin (0.9 aka d3lphin), codeine (superseded by dragonplayer), kconfigure (upstream dead, doesn't build anymore because of missing libkonq4-dev)13:37
apacheloggersmarter: what is the status of kepas?13:39
emunkkihello apachelogger13:39
apacheloggerahoy emunkki13:39
JontheEchidnahallo guys13:39
smarterapachelogger: I've packaged an upstream snapshot and it works great13:39
apacheloggeraloha JontheEchidna13:39
apacheloggersmarter: ok, please file a FFe13:40
apacheloggerand apply for motu :P13:40
smarterapachelogger: tomorrow afternoon ;)13:40
jjesse_morning kids13:40
apacheloggersmarter: I will poke you all afternoon if you do't do it :P13:40
apacheloggerhowdy jjesse_13:40
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smarterapachelogger: I couldn't expect something else from you :p13:41
apachelogger!info kde13:43
ubottukde (source: meta-kde): the K Desktop Environment official modules. In component universe, is optional. Version 5:47 (hardy), package size 7 kB, installed size 40 kB13:43
apachelogger!info kde intrepid13:43
ubottukde (source: meta-kde): the K Desktop Environment official modules. In component universe, is optional. Version 5:48ubuntu1 (intrepid), package size 7 kB, installed size 40 kB13:43
* apachelogger nukes a todo itme13:44
JontheEchidnaanybody know what the heck this guy is talking about in this bug? (bug 196161)13:44
ubottuLaunchpad bug 196161 in adept ""New KDE Desktop" for Kubuntu distribution still crashes Adept Installer" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19616113:44
apacheloggerRiddell: kpovmodeler-kde4 can also be removed (dropped -kde4)13:44
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: ask for screenshots13:47
apacheloggerotherwise I don't understand that either13:47
apachelogger"I just ran into the same problem this morning when trying to update my Laptop Kubuntu, AGAIN. Hello KDE - anybody listening?"13:48
apacheloggerclose won't fix, first he writes a cryptic reprot and then he expects KDE to jump off a bridge because he has a problem?13:49
apacheloggerI tell you, I can't reproduce certain people's thinking13:49
apacheloggerbug 2533513:50
ubottuLaunchpad bug 25335 in javax-servletapi2.3 "javax-servletapi2.3: new changes from Debian require merging" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2533513:50
apacheloggerkde bug 2533513:50
ubottuKDE bug 25335 in khtml "konqueror opens new windows if plugins are enabled (www macromedia com)" [Normal,Closed: fixed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2533513:50
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: http://lists.kde.org/?a=120367759800009&r=1&w=213:52
JontheEchidnaso, it crashed and the database was locked?13:54
apachelogger"the NEW DESKTOP offer13:55
apacheloggerappeared again.  "13:55
apacheloggerI think I understand him13:55
apacheloggerholy barracuda13:55
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: his adept updater crashes upon gutsy -> hardy upgrade13:56
apacheloggermornfall: btw, software installers need to be rock stable: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-www&m=120367745225095&w=2 ;-)13:57
apacheloggerreinstalling just because the database locks up sounds like a pita to me13:57
JontheEchidnawell, if the database locks up now it will give a way to resolve it manually13:58
JontheEchidnasudo dpkg --configure -a13:58
apacheloggerhow is a user supposed to know that?13:58
JontheEchidnawhen you try to start adept in that state it tells you to13:58
apacheloggerwhy does it not have a button?13:58
* apachelogger grabs a new cup of coffee13:59
* JontheEchidna shrugs13:59
JontheEchidnamornfall: krita, krita-kde4, and some other krita package all share the same package title/description when you search for "krita" in adept installer. (See bug 268106, the last screenshot especially)14:00
ubottuLaunchpad bug 268106 in adept "On the Add/Remove Adept, software called "Krita" for Gimp packages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26810614:00
mornfallJontheEchidna: Well, noone expected that multiple packages of same piece of software would appear in app-install-data.14:01
mornfallI believe.14:01
mornfallYou really only want to offer one of them in installer.14:02
mornfallPick one and file a bug against app-install-data, I'd say.14:02
* JontheEchidna wonders what the 3rd krita is14:02
mornfallAh, hmm.14:03
mornfallI still suspect it's app-install-data listing multiple destkop files.14:03
mornfallBtw. I don't think it's krita-kde4 -- look at the version.14:04
mornfallJontheEchidna: Can you run grep 'Name=Krita' /usr/share/app-install/desktop/*?14:04
mornfallAssuming you can reproduce on your system.14:05
* JontheEchidna can reproduce14:05
apachelogger!info krita-common intrepid14:05
mornfallJontheEchidna: Right.14:05
ubottuPackage krita-common does not exist in intrepid14:05
mornfallI only have one Krita on Debian. : - )14:06
apachelogger!info krita-data intrepid14:06
ubottukrita-data (source: koffice): data files for Krita painting program. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.6.3-6ubuntu2 (intrepid), package size 27642 kB, installed size 32020 kB14:06
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: ^14:06
apacheloggerthat package is causing the entry in the last screenshot14:06
mornfallJontheEchidna: You should see X-AppInstall-Package in those desktop files.14:06
apacheloggerthe last one at least14:06
jpdsapachelogger: Why won't kcookiejar debug?14:07
mornfallJontheEchidna: These are either bugs in the packages providing bad .desktop files, or bugs in app-install-data for not filtering the stuff. Pick your choice.14:07
apacheloggerjpds: I dunno, I was running kded in uber debug mode for stdout, the only think kded wanted to say about kcookiejar is that it started that module14:07
JontheEchidnahum... /me wonders how to go about fixing it14:07
apacheloggerjpds: you'll have to talk to a konqueror developer since the google doesn't have information about debugging kcookiejar either14:08
jpdsapachelogger: kcookiejar sounds evil by what I've seen.14:09
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: the last one is for the kde3 version of krita, the other two are kde4 stuff14:09
apacheloggerjpds: well, to be fair, I didn't get much debugging from any other kded module either, so it might be verey wll that I am just too stupid14:09
* jpds hugs apachelogger.14:09
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: then the versions are also all messed up14:10
apacheloggerjpds: fyi, I am running kded on a konsole for half a day now, with uber debugging, I  now can watch any password access :P14:11
apachelogger<-- became paranoid over night14:11
JontheEchidnaOk, so kde4_krita_magick.desktop14:13
JontheEchidna[Desktop Entry]14:13
JontheEchidna^there's the first problem right there14:13
JontheEchidnathen the rest of the .desktop goes on to describe krita instead of krita-data14:14
JontheEchidnaok, so fixing kde4_krtia_magic desktop gets it to un-dupe14:16
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: you should be fixing real bugs :P14:17
JontheEchidnabut should it really even have a .desktop file for app-install-data?14:17
apacheloggerwhat is kde4_krita_magic doing?14:17
* apachelogger thinks it should go to the services directory really14:17
JontheEchidnaIt's trying to describe krita-data-kde414:17
JontheEchidnabut it doesn't even get the package it's trying to install right14:18
JontheEchidnaand the user-visible name it provides is "krita"14:18
apacheloggerwhat is it doing for real14:18
apacheloggeri.e. what is the desktop file in usr/share/applications/ doing14:19
apacheloggerif it is only a service thingy for krita it shouldn't be in that directory14:19
JontheEchidnaok, it basically has krita's desktop file14:20
JontheEchidnawith some slight differences14:22
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: please paste the file14:23
* apachelogger fixes kdm-kde4 -> kdm14:24
JontheEchidna/usr/share/applications/kde4/krita_magick.desktop: http://paste.ubuntu.com/44894/14:24
apacheloggerwe need batpaste14:25
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: what are the differences to krita.desktop?14:26
JontheEchidnakrtia.desktop has some more translations14:26
JontheEchidnait's exec is krita14:26
JontheEchidnaaw heck, I'll just paste the diff14:27
apacheloggerwe need batpaste --diff :P14:27
apacheloggergod that is lame14:28
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: get in touch with some krita guy in #koffice14:28
apacheloggerthat file doesn't belong there14:28
apacheloggerand it shouldn't be existing at all because it is really just a copy of krita.desktop14:28
jtechidnasmarter: you're doing kepas? bug 26808214:45
ubottuLaunchpad bug 268082 in kepas "[intrepid] kepas depends on libplasma1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26808214:45
apacheloggerjtechidna: new snapshot coming up14:45
apacheloggersmarter just needs to file the FFe :P14:45
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apacheloggerjpds: ping14:50
jpdsapachelogger: pong.14:50
apacheloggerjpds: you are a backport dude, aren't you=14:51
jpdsapachelogger: One of them, yes.14:51
apacheloggerjpds: please have a look at bug 26741414:51
ubottuLaunchpad bug 267414 in quassel "Please backport Quassel 0.3.0 from intrepid to hardy" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26741414:51
jpdsapachelogger, jussi01: Approved for backporting.14:53
apacheloggerRiddell: please backport quassel, as per bug 26741414:54
ubottuLaunchpad bug 267414 in hardy-backports "Please backport Quassel 0.3.0 from intrepid to hardy" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26741414:54
* apachelogger likes that workflow14:54
seelehmm.. anyone else have problems using today's live cd?  it doesnt look like the boot menu works14:56
* seele reburns the cd14:57
Riddelldavmor2 ^^ ?14:58
davmor2seele: live or alternative?15:00
seeledavmor2: live15:00
davmor22 ticks15:01
seelei can get to the menu and select a language, but when i select an option the disc spins for a while and gives me a media error15:01
seelei'm reburning now, i couldnt even select the option to check the media to see if the media was the problem15:01
Tm_Thi kids15:01
* seele is glad CDs are so cheap15:01
emunkkiTm_T, hello daddy15:01
jjesseyay now i know who my father is15:02
jjessei've always wondered15:02
davmor2seele: 32bit or 64bit?15:02
seeledavmor2: 3215:03
Riddellseele: not got rewritables?15:03
seeleRiddell: nope, just a spindle of what was on sale at bestbuy15:03
apacheloggeremunkki: Tm_T is mom!15:03
davmor2seele Riddell: about 2 minutes15:03
emunkkiohh sorry15:03
emunkkishe must've changed his gender then as his name is a mans name15:04
seelehum.. that one didnt work either15:04
seelelet me try a different stack of cds..15:05
davmor2seele: it's been the 20080903 so if you have one from yesterday that worked it's the same :)15:06
davmor2booting now15:06
davmor2seele Riddell: working here15:07
seeledavmor2: i've got 08 and 09.. i'm trying a different cd brand15:07
seelehow many people do you think go through the install process and fail because they didnt check CD for defects first?15:09
davmor2too many15:09
davmor2yeap booted up fine15:09
seeledavmor2: looks like i have some bad media.. made a disc from a different spindle and it boots ok15:10
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seelewow, so this is going to sound like a stupid question16:06
seelebut i search for adept in kickoff16:06
seelei get three entires, updated, manager, and installer16:06
seelei don't know the difference?16:07
goatsocksadept is split up into 3 uis now16:07
JontheEchidnait actually has been forever16:07
apacheloggerseele: updater, simple installer, manager16:07
seeleright.. so i can't install new packages and do updates at the same time?16:08
* seele is normally an apt user16:08
apacheloggerin manager you shoudl be able to16:08
apacheloggerupdater and installer are really just simplified versions of the manager16:09
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: mirroring the kde4 ppa takes a fair amoung of time -.-16:09
JontheEchidnamanager is the all-powerful power tool that will handle installation and updates and source.list fetching16:09
Riddellupdater shouldn't be in the menu and installer should be in the top level of the applications menu as Add/remove Apps16:10
seeleadept manager looks ok, but is installer still under development?  i get a blank listview in the Browse page16:11
JontheEchidnainstaller seems to work fine for me16:13
Riddellseele: do you have app-install-data installed?16:13
seelei've got whatever the live cd gave me16:13
* JontheEchidna doesn't see app-install-data in the depends or recommends of kubuntu-desktop nor adept itself16:15
seelehum, that package doesnt show up in adept manager16:15
Riddellseele: got files in /usr/share/app-install/desktop/ ?16:15
seeleseele@sebastien:~$ ls /usr/share/app-install/desktop/16:16
seelels: cannot access /usr/share/app-install/desktop/: No such file or directory16:16
goatsocksyeah adept should have a hard dep on that but it doesn't16:16
JontheEchidnaoh, and you can't search by package name in adept manager yet16:16
seeleJontheEchidna: is that going to happen for intrepid?16:16
JontheEchidnalast time I spoke to mornfall he said no I think16:16
goatsockskpackagekit does it already16:18
mornfallRight. Not enough testing.16:18
goatsocksbut it's still a bit green16:18
JontheEchidnamornfall: isses I see about this in ubuntu's bug tracker should be classified as wishlist, correct?16:19
mornfallJontheEchidna: Dunno, first of all, they should probably end up in bugs.kde.org.16:19
JontheEchidnayeah, I should go through the bugs list and forward the good ones16:20
mornfallAlthough... bugs.kde.org still doesn't work.16:20
mornfallFor me, anyway.16:20
goatsocksit's borked16:20
mornfallIt gives me a database error.16:20
seelemornfall: it wasn't working the other day either16:20
mornfallWell, it's broken for me for a few weeks now.16:21
mornfallI have contacted sysadmins, but they sort of ignored me.16:21
mornfallUnknown column 'bugs.qa_contact' in 'on clause' at globals.pl line 275.16:22
seeleprobably because they're getting about 100 of those contacts a day :P16:22
mornfall For help, please send mail to the webmaster (webmaster@kde.org), giving this error message and the time and date of the error.16:22
seeleeek, adept didnt unlock apt/lists16:22
mornfallWhat apt/lists are those?16:22
seeleseele@sebastien:~$ sudo apt-get update16:23
seeleE: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)16:23
seeleafter i closed adept manager16:23
mornfallNever seen.16:23
mornfallWhat were you doing before that?16:24
seelenow you seen it.  fresh from today's live CD16:24
seelenothing, i just opened adept manager, closed it properly, tried to use apt-get16:24
mornfallAnd it worked before?16:24
mornfallps aux | grep -i adept?16:25
seelechecked it, it's not running16:25
mornfallThen it can hardly have it locked, as it's a fcntl-style lock...16:25
seelei just went in and removed the lock file so i can use apt16:25
mornfallMaybe it was some sort of periodic update holding that lock.16:26
mornfallWell, if you get corrupt package lists, you now know why...16:26
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: anything workspaceish to fix16:27
JontheEchidnahmm, I haven't seen any packaging bugs reported for it recently16:28
JontheEchidnaThis is a wishlist request though, right? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/24360016:28
ubottuLaunchpad bug 243600 in kdebase-workspace "KDE 4.1 - Task manager in vertically aligned widget tries to wrap text" [Wishlist,Confirmed]16:28
JontheEchidnait's doing what it's programmed to do, justt the approach could be be better16:29
JontheEchidnaanyway, I won't miss his bug reports much16:29
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: bug 99044 needs report @ bko and possibly @ trolltech.com as well16:45
ubottuLaunchpad bug 99044 in kdelibs "KDM does not work if disk is full and gives no warning about it" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/9904416:45
seeleis the Upgrade notification bubble supposed to be click-to-dismiss?16:50
seelei can't figure out how to make it go away16:50
seeleooh, bubble crashed.. lol16:52
Riddellseele: yes it should be click-to-dismiss16:58
Riddellseele: did it crash? or did you click the apport icon and it launched apport for something else?16:58
seelei clicked the network icon by it by accident and when i dismissed the menu the bubble didn't get repainted16:59
seelethis was after i tried to click the bubble to dismiss16:59
apacheloggersmarter: ping17:01
smarterapachelogger: pong17:01
apacheloggersmarter: you are on amd64?17:01
apacheloggerdamn, next time you wait longer before replying, I didn't find the url in time :P17:02
apacheloggersmarter: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/4:3.5.10-0ubuntu317:02
apacheloggerplease try building that version in a pbuilder17:02
Riddellmornfall: adept updater from beta 2 working perfectly17:02
* smarter launches pbuilder and get back to school work17:04
apacheloggerRiddell: http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/debdiffs/kdebase-workspace_4.1.1-0ubuntu4_to_ubuntu5.diff17:09
Riddellmm, bash complexity17:13
smarterapachelogger: kdelibs failed with the same error than the buildd17:19
* apachelogger thinks NCommander needs to look into this17:20
Riddellmornfall: been playing with darcs and added app-install-data as a dependency and put adept-installer as Core in the application menu17:47
Riddellthat's a scp of the archive to the server, I'm assuming that works17:47
JontheEchidnamornfall: I'm working on backporting some changes from sidebar.cpp from Okular, makes the sidebar look much better.17:49
mornfallJontheEchidna: It would be actually great if you could follow Riddell's suit and make a darcs branch... ; - )17:53
mornfallRiddell: Great, thanks -- I can pull from it just fine.17:53
mornfallRiddell: Although I haven't updated my public branch, which I will in a while. But I have food on the stove...17:53
Riddellmornfall: how do you update it?  rsync?17:58
JontheEchidnamornfall: http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c355/Woremar/adept3_2.png18:03
JontheEchidnaso darcs is like svn/git, etc?18:04
JontheEchidnahmm, I wonder where I could host a repo...18:06
apacheloggerRiddell, JontheEchidna: maybe we should create kubuntu-bugs and subscribe it to all KDE bugs instead of the obsolete kubuntu-team team18:07
seeleArtemis_Fowl: ping18:25
Artemis_Fowlseele: pong18:26
Artemis_Fowltime to talk a little18:26
Artemis_Fowlfirst of all, as apachelogger informed me, we can release one more version before intrepid's release18:26
Artemis_Fowland that must be before october18:27
seelebug fixes only?18:27
Artemis_FowlI have resolved all bugs in QA Testing bug18:28
Artemis_Fowlexcept for two:18:28
Artemis_Fowlthe double header18:28
Artemis_Fowl(I can't find a way to remove the first header - the one containing the description of the module-)18:28
seeleyeah, i see that.  it would be nice to fix but i dont think it is a priority18:29
seeleit looks weird because nothing else has it, but it isnt going to make someone screw something up18:29
Artemis_Fowlit seems as if only the second header can be removed since it is part if the page widget18:29
Artemis_Fowlbut that wouldn't be nice either18:30
mornfallRiddell: rsync is fine, if you have darcs on server, you can do darcs push host:directory18:30
Artemis_Fowlsince it contains a small description of what each page is for18:30
Artemis_Fowlbtw, I dropped a mail on the kde-devel mailing list and asked the question on kde's IRC channel, but found no solution18:31
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: bug 194425 do you understand comment 10?18:31
ubottuLaunchpad bug 194425 in kde4libs "[KDE 4] Konquerors cookie system dies (kded4 dies)" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19442518:31
Artemis_Fowlseele: next thing is the Tools page18:31
Artemis_Fowlseele: should I rework it?18:31
Artemis_Fowland if so, how?18:32
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: unrelated to the konq bug18:32
seelei dunno, i guess i can agree it is a little inconsistent since we use tabs in the other pages, but now use buttons18:32
seelebut half of the options are popup wizards, not screens18:32
seelei dont think it is a priority, but should be one of the first things we look at for the next version18:32
Artemis_Fowlafk for a sec18:33
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: ideas about bug 19469318:33
ubottuBug 194693 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/194693 is private18:33
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: it looks like update-notifier-kde crashed, which triggered apport + an upgrade hook saying language-pack installation wasn't complete18:33
JontheEchidnabut it doesn't have anything to do with konq + cookies18:34
apacheloggerwell, the crash affects more than konq + cookies anyway18:34
seeleArtemis_Fowl: if you want, we can start thinking of a list of things to work on for post intrepid18:34
apacheloggerwhen kded goes down also shortcuts won't work anymore18:34
apacheloggerwhich is probably the cause for a different report in kdelibs18:34
seeleArtemis_Fowl: i really want to improve password configuration/management, it seems a bit awkward now18:34
Artemis_Fowlseele: that's the next thing I would like to tell you about18:35
Artemis_Fowlseele: change some workflows18:35
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: I think the extra // in front of the kioslave url are doing it18:35
Artemis_Fowlfor instance, today I changed the map workflow18:35
Artemis_Fowlseele: I got rid of the assistant18:35
Artemis_Fowlseele: and instead used something simpler18:36
seeleoh ok.. is that already added?18:36
Artemis_Fowlseele: this: http://dc86.4shared.com/download/62313283/fb1f61f7/KGRUBEditor56.png?tsid=20080909-123702-f6777b3618:37
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: gnome uses 3 slashes18:37
Artemis_Fowlseele: yes, I commited it18:37
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: the thing is, places -> network shouldn't do anything with klauncher18:37
JontheEchidnaI think I am even more confused now18:38
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: gnome has a place menu, which holds a network link, that one opens nautilus with network:///18:38
apacheloggerwhich is pretty much like our network slave18:39
JontheEchidnaso, what does this have to do with kde?18:39
apacheloggerI have no idea18:39
mornfallRiddell: I have pushed my changes and the conflict resolution, so you might want to pull before making any further changes...18:39
apacheloggerbut apparently klauncher crashes18:39
mornfallJontheEchidna: Same to you, if you are working off darcs.18:39
* JontheEchidna doesn't know anything about darcs...18:39
seeleArtemis_Fowl: why did you think the splash image input box didn't need a label again?  i forget your reasoning18:40
Artemis_Fowlum there is no reasoning18:40
Artemis_FowlI forgot it18:40
seeleah, hehe.. i thought you said you didnt think it needed one18:41
seelebut it would be nice if it had one, otherwise you arent sure what you are trying to put in there18:41
apacheloggerjjesse: bug 215405 is still valid for intrepid?18:41
ubottuLaunchpad bug 215405 in kde4libs "Problems with connecting digital camera and Kubuntu Remix" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/21540518:41
jjesseummm haven't tested, mark as invalid18:42
jjessewon't get a chance to test either really as intrepid is only in a vm18:42
Artemis_Fowlseele: have you seen the new splash image list?18:42
seeleArtemis_Fowl: is it in the same release as the new maps dialog?  if so, no because it isnt in the daily build yet18:43
JontheEchidnamornfall: the patches are pretty small themselves, mind if I just email them to you?18:43
Artemis_Fowldaily build?18:44
seeleyeah there are daily builds of the live and install CDs18:44
seelethat usually how i test stuff18:44
Artemis_Fowland the package gets updated from source automatically?18:44
seelei dunno how it works18:44
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: omg, must have patch: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15276118:45
ubottuKDE bug 152761 in general "No session management in KDE 4 - Sessions / directory / tabs not restored on login" [Normal,New]18:45
Artemis_Fowlapachelogger: is there a way to automatically create .deb packages from a bzr branch? something like PPAs or something like this. I dunno how these things work18:46
mornfallJontheEchidna: Sure, mailing is fine.18:47
apacheloggerArtemis_Fowl: technically you can get daily builds I think18:47
apacheloggerjussi01: ping18:47
Artemis_Fowlseele: that's how it looks like right now: http://dc78.4shared.com/download/62358516/7d791975/KGRUBEditor57.png?tsid=20080909-124657-db383a2318:47
Artemis_Fowlseele: and when clicking on the combo box the list is like this: http://dc88.4shared.com/download/61810596/debbf70c/KGRUBEditor55.png?tsid=20080909-124751-6ac1922318:48
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: denied, no KDE QA18:48
Artemis_Fowlseele: (the second screenshot has different style because it was taken some days ago)18:48
seeleArtemis_Fowl: and if you click browse and select a file, it adds it to the list?18:49
Artemis_Fowlseele: yes, along with any other splash images that reside in the same folder18:50
Artemis_Fowlseele: it works pretty much like Plasma's wallpaper dialog18:50
seelehmm.. should we use a folder picker then instead of a file picker?18:51
seelei think it would be unexpected to pick a single file and then all of the other files are added automatically18:51
Artemis_Fowlseele: I have thought of a "Manage Scanned Directories" or something similar button which allows you to handle which dirs will be monitored18:51
seeleyes, but that only adds the image you select, not all of the images in the folder of the image you select18:51
Artemis_Fowlseele: should I put the label next to the combobox?18:54
seeleArtemis_Fowl: no, i dont think you need a label anymore18:54
seelehmm.. well maybe you do18:55
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: bug 211682 needs fwd18:55
ubottuLaunchpad bug 211682 in kde4libs "Screen resolution incorrectly detected with external monitor in kde4" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/21168218:55
seeleArtemis_Fowl: the desktop example has a label, but i'm not sure if you need one. i dont remember any guidelines for this case18:56
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: kde4libs completely triaged18:56
JontheEchidnaliek whoa, nice18:56
seeleit seems more like a setting than enter information, so in that case you don't necessarily need an explicit direction18:56
Artemis_Fowlapachelogger: any link on how to get daily builds?18:57
Artemis_Fowlseele: ok18:57
apacheloggerArtemis_Fowl: I think jussi01 had a setup for quassel, I'll poke him to get one for kgrubeditor18:57
Artemis_Fowlapachelogger: ok. let me know then18:58
seeleRiddell: do you think we should have a kubutu meeting to begin talking about jaunty?  it might help make UDS apps easier to fill out with some project goals18:58
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: there's a dupe of bug 211682 in workspace18:59
ubottuLaunchpad bug 211682 in kde4libs "Screen resolution incorrectly detected with external monitor in kde4" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/21168218:59
JontheEchidnaoh, actually that one is a dupe of the one in workspace18:59
JontheEchidnabug 19241318:59
ubottuLaunchpad bug 192413 in kdebase-workspace "kde4 dual head - both desktops on single screen" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19241318:59
* JontheEchidna marks as dupe19:00
JontheEchidnaIt's pretty pathetic that I caught that without looking at the buglist... lol19:01
Artemis_Fowlseele: what should be done now? work on the password thing?19:02
Artemis_Fowlseele: my TODO list seems to be empty19:02
seelehmm.. password workflow was my biggest pet peeve19:04
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: well, I also knew there was a similar report in some kdebase, but I was too lazy to check :P19:04
seeleoh.. hold on. i might have something else.  let me see if i can find the HIG page19:04
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: -runtime triaged19:05
JontheEchidnaheh, runtime has like 6 bugs?19:05
apacheloggerone less now :P19:05
JontheEchidnaWe should set up the bathospital for triage lists19:05
JontheEchidnamaybe with links to needs-forwarding lists19:06
seeledamn, the took the screenshots off the page19:06
seeleArtemis_Fowl: one of the patterns we are working on for KDE is how to do rich lists.. it would be a way to better hide/show the Entry Details than having a separate screen19:07
seeleArtemis_Fowl: similar to the way you designed it initially, but with slightly different interaction19:07
seelebut the screenshot examples are not on the page anymore so i can't show you what i mean19:08
* Artemis_Fowl has to go through this painful process once again... :|19:08
seeleArtemis_Fowl: i thought you said your TODO list was empty! :)19:09
Artemis_Fowlok this was meant to be a secret, but my TODO list hates the Show Details issue. don't tell anydoby though :)19:10
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: workspace is looking pretty close to triaged too19:11
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: how do I get kcrash instead of apport?19:12
* JontheEchidna checks irc logs19:12
apacheloggerwe should document that somewhere :P19:13
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: /etc/defaults/apport19:14
apacheloggerdoesn't like me very much apparently19:14
apacheloggerapport doesn't want to trace that either19:16
* apachelogger fires up plasma19:16
seeleArtemis_Fowl: then i would say password management.  but i'm sure once intrepid is released we'll be hearing of all other things that could be fixed19:17
seeleArtemis_Fowl: oh, and the Tools page, but I'm not sure what to do about that right now19:17
Artemis_Fowlseele: just give me a couple tasks to complete before intrepid19:17
Artemis_Fowlbut I have to go now19:17
Artemis_Fowlmail me if you can't find me in IRC19:18
seeleArtemis_Fowl: ok.  if youre around tomorrow we can talk about the password workflow19:18
seeleotherwise i'll write something up for you to look at19:18
Artemis_Fowltomorrow is kind of impossible19:18
seeleok no problem then19:18
seelewhenever you come back then19:18
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: plasma doesn't want to be traced19:20
* apachelogger starts whining19:21
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: apport has been whining too19:21
apacheloggernow I might have killed bko19:23
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: does your plasma cry when it crashes?19:25
* JontheEchidna can get backtraces19:25
JontheEchidnathough come to think of it19:26
JontheEchidnalast time it crashed it might have said the stack was corrupted19:26
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: bug 26370619:27
ubottuLaunchpad bug 263706 in kdebase-workspace "plasma crashed with SIGSEGV" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26370619:27
apacheloggerI guess we should forward and blame Riddell for breaking our kcrash :P19:27
apacheloggerRiddell: plasma doesn't give any backtraces anymore19:31
Riddellturn off apport in /etc/default/apport if you don't want it19:31
apacheloggerdoesn't fix it for some reason :S19:31
Riddellseele: yes, a meeting like that would be interesting19:33
apacheloggerRiddell: https://edge.launchpad.net/kde could use some oxygen icon :)19:33
Riddellseele: I'm away monday and tuesday, maybe on wednesday19:33
* JontheEchidna afks for abit19:33
Riddellapachelogger: I have no idea how19:35
apacheloggerRiddell: well, you should have some yellowish icon somewhere at the top of that page19:35
Riddellapachelogger: nope19:36
apachelogger"There is no project in Launchpad named "kde". Please search for it as it may be registered with a different name."19:36
RiddellI think it's a super-project rather than a project proper19:36
apacheloggerbut why can't one use it for bug linkage19:37
apacheloggerthat seems to be pretty lame TBH19:37
emunkkiapachelogger, heya19:38
emunkkiapachelogger, an ubuntu geek has done an svg automagizer19:38
NCommanderScottK, ok, I"m here :-)19:38
apacheloggeremunkki: a what?19:38
emunkkiyou might want to join #ubuntu-website19:38
katcitahey, I've just upgraded to latest intrepid and I get 'no greeter plugin found' when kdm starts and then it just freezes, any idea how to fix that?19:39
emunkkiapachelogger, a script to automate the png-making19:39
apacheloggergod i hate pngs19:39
emunkkiapachelogger, the one you said you would do for ii+119:39
ScottKNCommander: I saw your debdiff, but haven't had a chance to do anything with it yet.19:39
emunkkiwell anything.19:39
apacheloggerNCommander: if you have time, please investigate the amd64 FBTFS of kdelibs19:39
seeleRiddell: yuriy: apachelogger: Nightrose: next Kubuntu meeting 17 Sep 23:00 UTC?19:39
NCommanderapachelogger, on intrepid?19:39
ScottKNCommander: Yes.19:39
apacheloggerNCommander: yes, there seems to be a similar build error for samba419:39
NCommanderLInk to build log?19:39
Nightroseseele: should work for me19:40
seeleoh, nixternal too19:40
seeleah hell, i'll just send an email19:40
apacheloggerNCommander: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/17376638/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-amd64.kdelibs_4:3.5.10-0ubuntu3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz19:40
nixternalseele: yes, it will work me19:40
* nixternal puts it in his blackberry19:41
NCommanderapachelogger, well, thats a pretty failure19:41
apacheloggerexaclty my opinion ;-)19:41
NCommanderIt looks like what killed kppp on lpia19:41
NCommanderthe C library and the kernel headers have a disagreement on the proper formatting for a struct19:42
NCommanderI'm suprised it didnt' FTBFS on any other arch19:42
NCommanderScottK, about the hardy-proposed uploads, I'm spinning debdiffs as we speak19:44
ScottKNCommander: Let's ask Riddell which he'd prefer.19:44
* apachelogger needs a new headset19:45
ScottKRiddell: NCommander figured out why kdenetwork if FTBFS on lpia.  We could either upload a fix to 3.5.9 to hardy-updates now or update 3.5.10 in hardy-backports with the idea that it'd get into -updates when we get 3.5.10 copied over ...19:46
ScottKRiddell: Do you have a preference?19:46
Riddellit fails in intrepid or hardy?19:47
ScottKThis is Hardy.19:47
ScottKIt's the one and only FTBFS in core KDE in Hardy right now, so I thought to get it cleared up.19:47
* NCommander feels like he did some good for a change :-)19:48
RiddellScottK: I guess it depends on the plans for copying 3.5.10 to -updates19:48
=== seele changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Todo | Next meeting: Wednesday September 17 2008 23:00 UTC https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings
apacheloggerseele: that is pretty long to go :P19:49
* apachelogger would like one this weekish19:49
ScottKRiddell: Currently we have 3 regressions from 3.5.9 that we are looking into a|wen has made some good progress on them, so I have some confidence we'll be able to have 3.5.10 free of known regressions in the next week or two.19:49
* NCommander agrees with apachelogger 19:49
ScottKSo I think it's going to be a good canidate for copying over.19:50
apacheloggerseele: NCommander needs to be come a member ASAP19:50
apacheloggerI also think getting yourselfs organized for QA would be a good idea as well19:50
NCommanderapachelogger, ?19:50
seeleapachelogger: Riddell isn't around Monday and Tuesday.  Tomorrow is a bit soon, don't you think?19:51
RiddellScottK: sounds like 3.5.10 is the way then19:51
apacheloggerseele: how about thursday, friday or saturday? ;-)19:51
seeleargh, i'm not scheduling any more meetings19:51
Riddellthursday would work for me19:52
JontheEchidnawoo, jaunty planning time19:52
apacheloggerNightrose, yuriy, nixternal: how about thursday?19:52
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: jackalope planing is post intrepid19:52
nixternalwhat time again?19:52
apacheloggerI guess19:53
nixternalalso I can do earlier UTC times19:53
* smarter is sleeping at 23 UTC19:53
a|wenScottK: oh, btw. was your issues with the system tray solved?19:53
apacheloggernixternal: what's the earliest for you?19:53
nixternal14:00 UTC19:53
nixternal23:00 UTC == I am on the train actually19:53
ScottKa|wen: I still haven't had a chance to fiddle with it.19:53
nixternalthough I guess I could get in via blackberry19:54
apacheloggerseele, Riddell, Nightrose: 14 UTC?19:54
apacheloggerNCommander: 14 UTC thursday?19:54
Nightroseapachelogger: 2 hours later would be better19:54
Nightrosei need to get some hacking done with sven19:54
NCommanderapachelogger, what's that in EDT?19:54
nixternal2 hours later and I will definitely be unable to make it19:54
apacheloggerNCommander: +6 I think19:54
NCommanderI *think* that's 10 my time19:55
apacheloggersomething like that :P19:55
Nightrosehmm how about 14:30?19:55
NCommanderI only have until 1119:55
Nightrosei can try to make 14:30 if needed19:55
seeleapachelogger: later or earlier? i've got a meeting at that time19:55
nixternalI am at work from 14:00 UTC and don't get home until about 23:30 UTC, soon to be 00:30 UTC when daylight savings end19:55
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: are all these bugs triggered by closing a folderview19:56
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: no19:56
JontheEchidnacuz that's how I crashed my plasma the other day19:57
a|wenScottK: okay; i'll be patient then :) ... i hope to make some final suggestions beginning of next week; but still miss feedback on a few bug reports19:57
ScottKOK.  Thanks.19:57
ScottKa|wen: I did take a quit look at the system tray question once, but couldn't find where to change the icon size.19:57
NCommanderScottK, I have almost all the debdiffs for you19:58
a|wenScottK: there was some problems with the spacing between icons... that was the fix i picked-out from svn19:59
* apachelogger killalls amarok19:59
apacheloggerRiddell, Nightrose, NCommander, seele, nixternal, yuriy, ScottK, smarter, JontheEchidna, vorian: http://doodle.ch/participation.html?pollId=84p3f6d3v3iypg4u19:59
ScottKa|wen: OK.  When you have proposed changes, please ping me and I'll upload them to hardy-backports.20:00
NCommanderapachelogger, d'oh, I only put in Thursday's times20:00
apacheloggerNCommander: reenter20:01
NCommanderapachelogger, well20:01
NCommanderapachelogger :-P20:01
a|wenScottK: thx, I'll do that ... the most critical IMO is the mail list problems, which I still wait for feedback on20:02
apacheloggerha! my availablility is higher than Nightrose's :P20:02
apachelogger<-- uber awesome server :P20:02
ScottKa|wen: OK.  There's no need to do them all at once if they affect difference packages.20:02
JontheEchidnashould I add availibility for other days too?20:03
NCommanderI think 9/11 1400 is winning20:03
apacheloggerI think I like that doodle thing20:04
* NCommander hurts whoever broke the kdelibs clean rule20:04
NCommanderapachelogger, agreed20:04
a|wenScottK: completely true; but unfortunately I actually miss feedback on some part of all of the packages I looked at ... but I'll gather what I have beginning of next week in any case20:05
NCommandercreating libksycoca_la.all_cpp.cpp ...20:05
NCommanderIt's an autogenerated file thats FTBFS!20:05
* NCommander sighs20:10
NCommanderWho do I hurt :-P20:10
NCommanderI found the bug20:13
yuriyapachelogger, seele: hmm? what's going on? meeting?20:15
* NCommander hurts the glibc guys20:15
NCommanderapachelogger, I can fix it so this builds, or I can fix it so upstream may accept the patch20:16
NCommanderI won't bother with the latter if kdelibs 3.5 isn't going to see any more updates20:16
* Riddell looks at facebook and looks at Nightrose 20:16
* Nightrose looks at Riddell :P20:16
NightroseRiddell: you are not the first to notice...20:16
Nightroseas you might hav seen20:17
Riddellit says what you're not, but doesn't say what you are20:17
Nightrosebecause I am not 100% sure about it all yet - we'll see20:17
* Riddell smells gossip20:17
Nightrosei am like 98% sure20:18
Nightroseoh yea20:18
* yuriy wonders what's this about20:18
seeleRiddell: sooo slow on the uptake20:18
seeleRiddell: that was so yesterday20:18
seeleactually, it was all last weekend according to Nightrose ;)20:19
Nightroseyuriy: me no longer being listed as single on facebook - which is currently spreading among KDE people20:19
yuriyhmm, I'm going to skip the poll. I can't say for certain I'll be free at any time anytime soon20:19
Nightrosehehe right20:19
* NCommander looks for Riddell on facebook20:19
NCommanderbah, there are multiple riddels in London20:20
NCommanderand the UK in general20:20
RiddellI'm not in London!20:20
* NCommander looks20:21
jjesseNCommander: Riddell is in edinburgh (spelling?)20:21
NCommanderFound it20:21
* NCommander had to zoom in on Riddell's google map thing on LP20:21
NCommanderapachelogger, I got what appears to be a fix for kdelibs20:22
NCommanderI need someone to upload it for me (or at the very least, sign the changes file :-))20:23
RiddellNightrose: ooh?20:23
RiddellNCommander: ooh?20:23
NCommanderRiddell, I'm just waiting for the build to complete, but it appears to have passed where it was failing20:23
smarterIf anyone is interested in reviewing/testing/looking at kvkbd,the KDE virtual keyboard, I've uploaded debs here: https://edge.launchpad.net/~smarter/+archive feedback appreciated :)20:25
JontheEchidnasmarter: It would be nice if a resize cursor came up when you mouse over the resize lines in the bottom right corner20:28
JontheEchidnaman, that took forever to type20:28
smarterJontheEchidna: yes, I tried to implement that but got bored ;) I'll add it to my todo20:29
JontheEchidnakde svn 85919720:31
ubottuhttp://websvn.kde.org/?rev=859197&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde -r 85919720:31
smarterchanges I plan to do for post-0.6: move all the options to a configure dialog, add a way to change background color, and lots of code fix :P20:32
smarterseele: when you have some free time, do you think you could take a look at kvkbd and say if it looks usable or not? ;)20:34
* apachelogger knows all the truth about Nightrose :P20:34
apacheloggerI am so uber important I somtimes can't belive myself20:35
NCommanderwhat's wow apachelogger ?20:35
Nightroseapachelogger: you know I will kill you if you say anything! :P20:35
apacheloggerNCommander: vista I guess, so what was the problem with that old patchy kdelibs?20:35
apacheloggerNightrose: I was afraid you would say that20:35
NCommanderapachelogger, glibc and linux disagree on the meaning of stat20:35
Riddellapachelogger: what's the truth? I've been stalking her for half an hour and the best I can find out is she's now friends with Wade20:35
NCommanderI just fired a #ifdef hack into the package to work around it20:36
NightroseRiddell: it is not Wade :P20:36
apacheloggerRiddell: hm, that is not very much, is it? :P20:36
NCommanderAnd left a rant about how glibc's developers need to learn the meaning of "STABLE API"20:36
NightroseI can asure you20:36
apacheloggerNCommander: you are the awesomest20:36
NightroseRiddell: though you might have had the pleasure to talk to him20:36
NightroseI dunno20:36
apacheloggerwell, 2nd awesomest right after me20:36
RiddellI even resorted to twitter, it didn't tell me but surprisingly Nightrose did enjoy the new X-Files film20:36
apacheloggernow that is a trace20:37
* apachelogger reboots20:37
NightroseRiddell: you didn't like it?20:37
RiddellNightrose: dunno, seemed like an average tv episode20:37
NCommanderapachelogger, forget that, it failed ot build still20:37
NightroseRiddell: and since it was a date I very much enjoyed of course I loved the movie20:37
seeleRiddell: youre on twitter?20:37
Riddellseele: no, just looked at it for the first time20:37
seeleah, hehe20:38
NCommanderOh, no, wait, I'm still just an idiot :-)20:38
apacheloggerI know that feeling20:38
NCommanderapachelogger, I missed a fnctl.h, but its an easy enough fix20:38
apacheloggerNightrose: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/gnome/snapshot020:38
apacheloggerNightrose: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/gnome/snapshot03.png20:39
NCommanderapachelogger, be back in 5-1020:39
Nightroseapachelogger: ewwwww20:39
apacheloggeryou need to work on the style20:40
Riddellsmarter: kvkbd working here20:40
apacheloggerit doesn't render very well in gtk20:40
Riddellsmarter: no icon in the menu20:40
smarterRiddell: yep, I need to update the desktop file20:40
smarterthanks for reminding me of that ;)20:40
Riddellsmarter: does it adapt to your local keyboard?20:41
smarterRiddell: yes20:41
smarterRiddell: try setxkbmap fr oss20:41
smarteror something else20:41
Riddellsmarter: I'm scared that'll make my cursor keys stop working..20:41
smartercursor keys are the same on French keyboard ;)20:41
* Riddell wonders who this Michael Casadevall chap is20:41
apacheloggerlandscape commercial on my prompt!20:46
apachelogger \o/20:46
Riddellyou're using landscape?20:47
smarterRiddell: the only stuff missing from Kvkbd is integration with kdm, but that seems to be a kdm4 problem, it doesn't allow apps to be displayed above the greeter20:49
=== nemphis_ is now known as nemphis
apacheloggerRiddell: no, but apparently a bunch of landscape stuff got installed20:50
apacheloggerwhich is now eating my RAM and doing advertisment on the tty intro message20:51
Riddellit'll be spying on you too20:51
apacheloggerme@apoc { ~ }$ sudo apt-get purge landscape*20:52
Riddellthe guys in montreal will be messing with your machine if you annoy them :)20:52
jjesseapachelogger: you now run landscape?20:52
apacheloggernot anymore20:52
apacheloggeralso.... with every upgrade intrepid is falling apart more20:53
apacheloggernow I have us keyboard layout20:53
apacheloggerand couple of keys don't do anything20:53
JontheEchidnak-d-s's fault?20:53
RiddellI have that too20:53
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: unlikely20:53
Riddellshouldn't be20:53
jjessebut that's because us is the best :)20:53
Riddellif you change the keyboard it breaks cursor keys20:53
Riddelljjesse: I keep typing at signs for quotes, what a silly layout20:54
katcitaI get this when trying to start kde4.1 http://pastie.org/private/lg3jxkpocvwhawooh0g any idea what's wrong?20:54
JontheEchidnaOh, the latest change was gtk-qt-engine related20:54
apacheloggerkatcita: that is one communicative kded you got there20:55
apacheloggerkatcita: hardy or intrepid?20:55
katcitaapachelogger: intrepid20:55
jjessewow suse enterprise server is expensive20:55
jjessefor one year $350 USD20:55
apacheloggerjjesse: is RHLES cheaper?20:56
jjessedon't know20:56
apacheloggerkatcita: there is no real error20:56
apacheloggerjjesse: or... expensive compared to what?20:57
Riddellkatcita: kubuntu packages?20:57
jjesseapachelogger: to learn20:57
katcitaRiddell: yes I did apt-get dist-upgrade20:57
NCommanderjjesse, that's for support, right?20:57
Riddellkatcita: from hardy?20:58
jjesseapachelogger: same cost20:58
jjessefor rhel and sles20:58
katcitaRiddell: yes from hardy20:58
Riddellkdeinit4: preparing to launch /bin/kded4  kded really shouldn't be in /bin20:58
apacheloggerjjesse: that must be the high quality20:58
Riddellkatcita: do you have  /bin/kded4  ?20:58
katcitaRiddell: yes I have it20:59
* apachelogger is wondering how it got there20:59
katcitait's because I use kde4 since 7.04 or something so my install must be nasty21:00
apacheloggerkatcita: that would only end up there if you compield KDE 4 yourself once21:00
apacheloggerwe did never have it in / and even if we had, package updates would have removed it again21:01
apacheloggeremunkki: ping21:02
katcita# /bin/kded4 -v21:02
katcitaQt: 4.4.121:02
katcitaKDE: 4.00.62 (KDE 4.0.62 >= 20080213)21:02
smarteroh my21:02
Riddellkatcita: dpkg -S kded4  ?21:03
* JontheEchidna watches as every kubuntero passes out21:03
katcita dpkg -S kded421:04
katcitakdelibs-bin: /usr/bin/kded421:04
katcitaamarok-nightly-kdelibs: /opt/amarok-nightly/bin/kded421:04
katcitaamarok-nightly-kdelibs: /opt/amarok-nightly/lib/libkdeinit4_kded4.so21:04
katcitakdelibs-bin: /usr/lib/libkdeinit4_kded4.so21:04
katcitait's trying to use amarok-nightly kdelibs I guess21:04
Riddellbut that's not in /bin21:05
Riddellalso amarok nightly isn't that old21:05
Riddellsomething is horribly broken and I'm afraid I've no idea what21:05
* apachelogger thinks that is a source installation left over21:06
katcitaok, thanks anyway21:06
katcitaRiddell: re-installing from alpha5 CD should be safe(r) right?21:07
apacheloggerkatcita: IMHO the only productive solution is to reinstall21:07
apacheloggerotherwise you would have to go through /* and check for unwanted kde files21:07
Riddellkatcita: yes21:07
katcitaok thanks21:07
apacheloggeremunkki: the dude's script is not exactly what I had in mind21:07
* apachelogger likes runtime solutions :P21:07
NCommander/usr/include/asm-generic/fcntl.h:143: error: 'loff_t' does not name a type21:08
apacheloggerNCommander: another one?21:08
emunkkiapachelogger, aha.21:08
NCommander/usr/include/asm-generic/fcntl.h:144: error: 'loff_t' does not name a type21:08
apacheloggerok, lets never touch kdelibs again21:08
* emunkki pokes kdelibs21:08
apacheloggeremunkki: did you get his stuff?21:08
apacheloggerI'll fwd, considering kaddressbook knows your email address :P21:09
apacheloggerI sent it to somewhere lese21:09
Tm_Temunkki: hi son21:10
emunkkihello dad21:10
emunkkiapachelogger, oh?21:10
apacheloggerI'm not using this e-mail actively anymore.21:10
emunkkiaha ok21:10
emunkkiwell i got it21:10
emunkkiapachelogger, so what should I do for those?21:11
apacheloggeremonkey: nothing, just wanted to show you21:11
apacheloggerbesides, I like ours better :P21:11
emonkeyapachelogger, bad highlighter21:11
NCommanderapachelogger, side affect from my fix :-/21:11
JackWintersorry to intrude, but i've been looking for a long time now.  i have a problem with kded. kde sys gueard shows it as being the most cpu consuming process.  this is on kubuntu hardy.  the command racing is kded [kdeinit] --new-startup.  i have no usb equipment powered up.  any ideas ?21:16
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: bug 268294 failed to retrace too21:19
ubottuBug 268294 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/268294 is private21:19
emonkeyapachelogger, btw vongrats to the beta2 hero :P21:20
JontheEchidnaJackWinter: possibly could be bug 260676?21:21
ubottuLaunchpad bug 260676 in kdeutils "kded using 100% cpu (on kmail start) can not access kwallet ; kwalletmanager shows 0 passwords" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26067621:21
JackWinterJontheEchidna: i have no probs with kwallet21:23
NCommanderapachelogger, ok, I think I got it fixed21:23
NCommanderapachelogger, did it FTBFS on Sparc or PowerPC?21:23
JackWinterdoesn't use up 100% but eats an extra 20% on my q6600.21:25
NCommanderapachelogger, my mind is going boom21:29
NCommanderI might be forced to do something ugly21:29
NCommanderAnd turn off a Linux specific optimization21:29
apacheloggeremonkey: beta2?21:32
emonkeydidn't read monrfalls blog?21:32
emonkeyabout adept3 beta 221:32
apacheloggernot much time for blog reading these days ;-)21:33
emonkeyapachelogger, http://web.mornfall.net/blog/adept_3.0_beta_2.html21:33
apacheloggerI am intarwebs famous :D21:33
apacheloggerNCommander: as long as it works, there are only a couple of applications using the old kdelibs anyway21:34
NCommanderapachelogger, ok, turning it off21:34
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: I think retracing mostly fails when it tries to trace the wrong application21:35
apacheloggerthat kwin crash most likely happened in x/nvidia21:35
JontheEchidnathat would probably explain it21:36
apacheloggeroh, I crashed amarok21:37
JontheEchidna"we are terribly sorry..."21:37
apacheloggermy arrow keys aren't working either21:38
apacheloggernow that is an annoying regression21:38
apacheloggerI should ahve become a gnome dood21:39
apacheloggerNightrose: http://paste.ubuntu.com/45025/21:39
NCommanderapachelogger, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glibc/+bug/26831121:40
ubottuLaunchpad bug 268311 in glibc "Mismatch on flock/flock64 between glibc/linux-headers" [Undecided,New]21:40
Riddellmornfall: hmm, I'm trying to add software-properties-kde launching to adept but the KProcess doesn't even acknowledge that the subprocess has started never mind when it finishes, any ideas why?21:41
seeledid we figure out a time for the new meeting?  the email i sent out should probably be recinded21:41
apacheloggerseele: fri 11am UTC21:43
apacheloggerseele: actually 23 UTC21:43
apachelogger[22:21:39] <Robbinwilliam> u there?21:43
apachelogger[22:39:57] <apachelogger> yus, hi21:43
apachelogger[22:43:30] <Robbinwilliam> hey...can u help me out on apache??21:43
apacheloggerseele: that is thu 23 UTC21:45
seeleYOU send a correction then21:45
apacheloggerI send a correction and blame doodle for talking to me in CEST21:46
goatsocksRiddell: i am discovering that the current kde python bindings are screwy21:47
smarterapachelogger: wow, now the gnome people must make sure gnome apps have the same level of integration into kde ;)21:48
smarterRiddell: maybe you could use --nofork?21:49
apacheloggerthat keyboard breakage is no fun at all -.-21:50
smarterapachelogger: have you used the Qt GTK theme engine for Qt 4.5 to achieve this?21:51
apacheloggerqt 4.421:52
apacheloggermy original idea was to get it into intrepid, then ship a package similar to kubuntu-default-settings, ensuring colors and icons are correct21:52
apacheloggerI kind of put that on hold21:52
smarterthat should be much easier with Qt 4.521:52
apacheloggersmarter: there is no difference, the thing in 4.5 is just the 4.4 thing in the official trunk :P21:53
smarteroh, ok21:54
Riddellsmarter: software-properties doesn't fork21:56
NCommanderapachelogger, now I have a FTBFS in dnssd part22:02
Nightroseseele: apachelogger: topic should probably be adjusted22:02
Nightroseand wiki22:03
=== apachelogger changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Todo | Next meeting: Some day, some time https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings
* Nightrose gives apachelogger a cookie22:04
* apachelogger can't make backslashes anymore22:05
NCommanderapachelogger, did you have any issues building kdelibs?22:05
apachelogger♥ intrepid22:05
apacheloggerNCommander: not when I last built it22:05
apacheloggerthat was on i386 though22:05
apacheloggerNightrose: do yo have paul's 6mb graphic?22:06
apacheloggerthat looks pretty pretty22:06
NCommanderapachelogger, when was that?22:06
Nightroseapachelogger: not yet - hope to get it soonish22:06
NCommander(it appears there maybe a new FTBFS in it)22:06
apacheloggerNightrose: poke when you have it :)22:06
NCommanderapachelogger, can you build kdelibs 3.5.10 and see if it builds cleanly on the current intrepid?22:06
Nightroseapachelogger: will do :)22:06
apacheloggerNCommander: that was saturday22:07
NCommanderapachelogger, argh22:09
=== apachelogger changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Todo | Next meeting: Thursday 11 September 2008 23 UTC https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings
apacheloggerNCommander: pbuild started, please add yourself to the candidates table on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings ... and update the meeting day while you are at it ;-)22:14
apacheloggerRiddell, JontheEchidna: btw, what is your opinion about kubuntu-bugs?22:28
NCommanderWe don't package SVN snapshots, right?22:30
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: I like it22:31
NCommanderWhen is the next meeting?22:32
* NCommander works out what time 23 UTC is22:33
NCommanderso 19:00 EST?22:34
apacheloggerwe have a link for that at the wiki page22:34
apacheloggershuld be 19 though, yes22:34
NCommanderapachelogger, wiki edited22:35
NCommanderapachelogger, how goes that build?22:35
apachelogger*** Creating apidox in kdesu22:36
Riddellapachelogger: what would be the difference?22:36
apacheloggerRiddell: bug 268308 wont fix?22:36
ubottuLaunchpad bug 268308 in kubuntu-meta "Suggestion: Firefox in Kubuntu Intrepid" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26830822:36
apacheloggerRiddell: a) kubuntu-team is a dead team b) I have no clue how to get the subscription stuff working again22:36
apacheloggerc) kubuntu-team would be misnamed anyway ;-)22:38
NCommanderWhat's broken?22:38
apacheloggerNCommander: where?22:39
Riddellapachelogger: yes, won't fix22:39
NCommanderapachelogger, the subscription22:39
NCommanderWhat's broken what what speciifcally22:39
NCommanderapachelogger, this appears to be an issue with libavahi22:40
apacheloggerNCommander: I can't subscribe kubuntu-team to new products22:41
apacheloggermight very well be that only Riddell as admin can22:41
NCommanderOnly admins can22:41
NCommanderBut isn't kubuntu-team dead?22:41
NCommander(despite having a nice icon22:41
apacheloggerI said that :P22:42
apacheloggerI built kdelibs with -j522:43
NCommanderapachelogger, FTBFS?22:43
* apachelogger changes his pbuilderrc and rebuilds22:43
apacheloggerNCommander: yeah, kdelibs doesn't do multiple jobs anymore22:43
apacheloggerlooking at debian/patches you know why22:43
NCommanderapachelogger, make sure you do pbuilder update first22:44
apacheloggerI did. Besides, I have a hook for that :P22:44
apacheloggerhooray, my keyboard works again \o/22:50
apachelogger♥ keyboards22:50
goatsocksScottK: any eric 4.2.1 packages floating around yet?22:58
apachelogger1 → 75 of 206 results23:01
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: I guess kdepim needs love23:01
apacheloggera lot of it23:01
JontheEchidnaadept is down to 75 bugs23:02
* apachelogger doesn't even know where to start23:03
JontheEchidnawhoa, it even has old dapper SRU bugs23:04
JontheEchidnadapper is dead, right?23:04
apacheloggernot yet I think23:04
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu#Release_history23:05
NCommanderapachelogger, well?23:09
apacheloggerbuilding java23:09
apacheloggerecma now23:09
NCommanderRiddell, mind SRUing my fix for kdelibs on lpia?23:09
NCommanderapachelogger, this is going to be anonying to fix, it looks like avihci has issues ATM on amd6423:10
RiddellNCommander: could do23:10
NCommanderRiddell, sweet. kde now builds on lpia :-)23:11
apacheloggerIntrepid Ibex - Broken it is!23:11
NCommanderapachelogger, I've been doing my best to unbreak it23:11
apacheloggerAll we can do.23:13
* NCommander hates linux at times23:19
NCommanderapachelogger, well, I found an easy watch to disable inotify which clears one of the FTBFS issues23:21
apacheloggerthis is bloody awfuly23:22
apachelogger/usr/bin/mandb: can't write to /var/cache/man/ru/24214: No space left on device23:22
RiddellNCommander: where do I find this SRU?23:23
NCommanderRiddell, sorry, that was kdenetwork, not kdelibs23:24
* NCommander has a brainfart :-)23:24
NCommanderRiddell, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork/+bug/26799123:24
ubottuLaunchpad bug 267991 in kdenetwork "kdenetwork FTBFS on lpia" [Wishlist,In progress]23:25
RiddellNCommander: mmm, looks complex23:26
RiddellNCommander: this doesn't affect build on other arches presumably?23:27
NCommanderRiddell, builds file on i386/amd64. Can't say for the other ports23:27
NCommander(its in my PPA as a test build)23:27
Riddellhay, Casadevall, that's the chap who wanted to be friends with me on facebook earlier!23:27
* NCommander falls over23:27
NCommanderYou upload my patchs, you should know my real name23:28
Riddelltrouble with facebook is it means I have to decide if I want to be friends with my sister in law23:28
katcitaapachelogger: still there?23:29
katcitanah, Im fine sorry23:30
* NCommander is going blind it seems23:30
* NCommander is surprised how few packages there are in the partner repo, and that they are all closed source23:35
Riddelldevfil: about?23:37
devfilRiddell: ?23:38
Riddelldevfil: the patch attached to bug 230027 is different from the one uploaded23:38
ubottuLaunchpad bug 230027 in libtranslate "libtranslate doesn't translate english/italian" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/23002723:38
* NCommander managed to make this failure pass with no source changes23:38
NCommanderGo autoconf magic GO!23:38
devfilRiddell: ah, you scared me!23:38
Riddelldevfil: gosh, what were you expecting?23:39
devfilRiddell: I've applied another patch that only fix the problem23:39
devfilthe patch attached at the debdiff also adds feature if I've understood right23:39
Riddelldevfil: then the new one needs to go on the bug report and get approved by whoever it is approves these things23:40
devfilRiddell: if I'm not wrong motu-sru decides only if the bug is in hardy and is a backport or not23:40
apacheloggertip of the day: tom jones' is very usable triage music23:41
* NCommander thinks he fixed kdelibs23:41
devfilRiddell: for example: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/ikiwiki/+bug/20581123:42
ubottuLaunchpad bug 205811 in ikiwiki "Should depend on rather than recommend libhtml-scrubber-perl" [Medium,Confirmed]23:42
devfilso motu-sru only decides if the fix is needed23:42
NCommanderdevfil, they also move from -proposed to -updates23:43
devfilNCommander: ... I don't think, archive admin move a package from proposed to updates if I'm right23:43
* NCommander asks the resident archive admin23:44
Riddellwe do yes23:44
* NCommander appears to have cleared the FTBFS23:44
JontheEchidnahow did kdegames 4.1.1 build?23:45
JontheEchidnacp: cannot stat `debian/tmp//usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/en/ksudoku/common': No such file or directory23:45
NCommanderJontheEchidna, link?23:45
NCommanderJontheEchidna, who was the uploader?23:45
JontheEchidnaapachelogger uploaded, and it built on all archs23:46
JontheEchidnabut it won't on my computer :(23:46
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: are you sure that you are building in an intrepid pbuilder?23:47
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: using debuild23:47
apacheloggeroh, then your system is broken :P23:48
devfilJontheEchidna: try with pbuilder login23:49
NCommanderkdelibs builds now on amd6423:50
apacheloggerNCommander: upload, I think I can compile it now :P23:51
NCommanderapachelogger, I'm not an MOTU/core-dev ;-)23:51
NCommanderWoo, it does build (it just finished making debs)23:52
apacheloggerNCommander: I mean upload $somewhere23:52
NCommanderOn its way to my PPA in a sec23:52
apacheloggerto $somewhere actually23:52
katcitaapachelogger: the install of intrepid went fine but it doesn't mount /home and when I try to mount /home it says /dev/sda3 already mounted or /home busy, yet 'mount' doesnt list /home as mounted23:52
apacheloggerNCommander: well, the ppa can build it then :P23:52
katcitaany idea?23:52
NCommanderapachelogger, on amd64?23:52
NCommanderapachelogger, oh, I'm waiting for the amd64 to fully finish, its running the debhelper magic23:53
apacheloggerkatcita: #kubuntu for usual supprot please23:53
NCommanderapachelogger, its in my PPA23:56
mhbgood afternoon to our American friends, morning to all Austrians awake around 01:00 in the morning23:58
Riddellthose crazy Austrians23:58
RiddellNCommander: nothing here https://edge.launchpad.net/~sonicmctails/+archive/+index?field.name_filter=kde&field.status_filter=any23:59

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