[00:39]  * apachelogger should have never touched kdelibs
[00:40] <apachelogger> ScottK: Do you think the amd64 FTBFS is still due to gcc? It certainly doesn't make much sense to me.
[01:12] <Riddell> Jaunty Jackalope, now I doubt anyone suspected it would be that animal
[01:16] <apachelogger> Oo
[01:16] <apachelogger> I don't even know what thing looks like
[01:17] <apachelogger> hm, time for rofl I guess
[01:17] <vorian> Jaunty
[01:23] <seele> kwwii will have a great time with that one
[01:25] <JontheEchidna> jaunty jackalope?
[01:25]  * JontheEchidna lol'd
[01:25] <JontheEchidna> They should have made it Jaunty Jaguar, and then Ubuntu's task would be to become an OSX clone to follow prophet Mark Shuttleworth's vision of becoming better-looking for Vista
[01:25] <JontheEchidna> *than OSX, rather
[01:26] <JontheEchidna> :P
[01:29] <apachelogger> true
[01:29] <apachelogger> uhh
[01:29] <apachelogger> KDE 4.1++
[01:30] <apachelogger> I like that name :D
[01:30] <seele> knowing apple, they probably copyrighted jaguar as a os release codename
[01:30] <apachelogger> Oo
[01:30] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: did you see the new new device notifier icon
[01:31] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: new icon?
[01:31] <apachelogger> yus
[01:31] <apachelogger> looks better I have to say
[01:31]  * apachelogger recommends backporting :P
[01:31] <JontheEchidna> can haz screenshot?
[01:32] <apachelogger> http://websvn.kde.org/*checkout*/trunk/KDE/kdebase/runtime/pics/oxygen/128x128/devices/phone-openmoko-freerunner.png?revision=853101
[01:32] <apachelogger> sweet
[01:32] <apachelogger> but not what I was lookign for
[01:32] <JontheEchidna> heh
[01:34] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdebase/runtime/pics/oxygen/128x128/apps/device-notifier.png?revision=855488&view=markup&sortby=date
[01:34] <JontheEchidna> oh wow, my first plasma crash in ages
[01:34] <JontheEchidna> oooh, nice icon
[01:35] <vorian> ooh, pretty
[01:38] <apachelogger> -.-
[01:38] <apachelogger> I hate patches
[01:38] <apachelogger> adding non-kde applications to favorites works in trunk
[01:38] <apachelogger> so either it is broken in the 4.1 branch or it's a patch
[01:39] <apachelogger> I tend to think it's the latter TBH
[02:16] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: saw the most recent comment on my blog?
[02:16]  * JontheEchidna looks
[02:17] <JontheEchidna> Ha, I delt with this genius on digg to
[02:17] <JontheEchidna> he's a rabid Ubuntu/GTK fan
[02:18] <JontheEchidna> What I find funny
[02:18] <JontheEchidna> is that Qt/KDE people have been doing integration work for both sides
[02:18] <JontheEchidna> and he beats up on Qt/KDE for not doing the work for them fast enough
[02:19]  * apachelogger wishes he wouldn't have to cope with such comments
[02:20] <JontheEchidna> he's probably one of those people that thinks Qt is "less free" than GTK
[02:21] <apachelogger> one of those who belive what the choose to belive
[02:21] <apachelogger> far too many of those are commenting my blog
[02:21] <JontheEchidna> well
[02:21] <JontheEchidna> you are on planet ubuntu
[02:22] <apachelogger> that does mean I have to deal with narrowmindend perky fanboys?
[02:23] <JontheEchidna> yus!
[02:24]  * apachelogger should unsubscribe
[02:24] <apachelogger> nah
[02:24] <apachelogger> deactivate comments
[02:24] <JontheEchidna> might wanna hold off on that
[02:24] <JontheEchidna> to avoid dramaz
[02:24]  * apachelogger is a drama queen
[02:26] <apachelogger> haha
[02:26] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: f5
[02:26] <JontheEchidna> the last-last comment?
[02:27]  * JontheEchidna had seen
[02:29] <apachelogger> ah
[02:29] <apachelogger> lovely
[02:29] <ScottK> apachelogger: I'm pretty under the weather today, so I haven't looked.  Ask NCommander, he LOVES FTBFS.
[02:31] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: If the GTK rabid fanboy crowd realized qt is GPL, then they'd have to notice that the rationale for Gnome has evaporated.
[02:31] <apachelogger> almost bad time for me, will do tomorrow
[02:32] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: I think they hide behind usability
[02:32] <apachelogger> ScottK: I hope they will go with a 'but most companies prefer GTK'
[02:32] <JontheEchidna> or the notion that taking away functionality is usability
[02:33] <apachelogger> then I can strangle them with their on rationale, where Qt is not being used because they would have to make the linked code free software ;-)
[02:33] <apachelogger> s/on/own
[02:33] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: nowadays adding tabs is usability
[02:34] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I think that was a guadec joke :P
[02:34] <apachelogger> no, I think they were pretty serious about it :P
[02:34]  * apachelogger hopes to see kde-nightly-kdeplasma-addons before he goes to bed
[02:54] <apachelogger> holy barracuda
[02:54] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I knew it was a bad idea to support your bugcontrol application
[02:54] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: sorry :P
[02:55] <JontheEchidna> it's even more annoying now isn't it?
[02:55] <ScottK-laptop> What happened?
[02:55] <JontheEchidna> I handle lots of KDE bugs, apachelogger subscribes to most KDE package bugmail
[02:56]  * apachelogger should change that
[02:56] <apachelogger> hm
[02:56] <apachelogger> hang -> termination -> crash
[02:56] <apachelogger> I guess systemsettings doesn't take kindly to termination
[02:57] <ScottK-laptop> Ah.
[03:01] <JontheEchidna> it would be nice if you could configure what kind of bug activity would email you
[03:01]  * apachelogger is wondering how to properly reply to a sysadmin request
[03:02] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: not even that would make sense
[03:02] <apachelogger> more like activity of certain people
[03:03] <apachelogger> e.g. I don't review your status changes anymore, but those of most other people
[03:06]  * apachelogger thinks kdeplasma-addons is going to compile this time
[03:12] <jjesse> evening
[03:12] <jjesse> JontheEchidna: i see you got approved to the bug squad
[03:12] <JontheEchidna> jjesse: hehe, yup
[03:13]  * JontheEchidna has been having fun with kdebase*
[03:13] <apachelogger> and messed up my bugs folder!
[03:13] <jjesse> ha
[03:13]  * jjesse has been way to busy to deal w/ bugs lately
[03:16] <jjesse> that didn't work as pllaned
[03:23] <jjesse> is this thing still on?
[03:23] <apachelogger> what thing?
[03:23] <apachelogger> where?
[03:24] <jjesse> lol
[03:25] <apachelogger> hm
[03:25] <apachelogger> kde-nightly-kdeplasma-addons is one empty package
[04:28] <JontheEchidna> mornfall: if dpkg is in a state where this message occurs, adept will crash on startup: E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[04:28] <JontheEchidna> terminate called after throwing an instance of 'adept::RecoveryNeededException'
[04:28] <JontheEchidna>   what():  an unspecified problem happened; if you see this message, please report a bug to the maintainer. Context:
[04:28] <JontheEchidna>     no context information available
[04:28] <JontheEchidna> KCrash: Application 'adept' crashing...
[04:35]  * JontheEchidna goes to bed
[05:20] <NCommander> hey apachelogger
[07:52] <mornfall> Riddell: Please sync Adept (beta 2) from incoming, if you can. Thanks.
[07:52] <mornfall> Riddell: (It only fixes regressions, I'll try to get out a beta 3 before final.)
[07:53] <mornfall> Riddell: With a few other fixes. But, I apparently didn't find any time for those during the last week and beta 2 was quite overdue already.
[08:35] <jussi01> apachelogger: just a quick reminder about that hardy abckport of quassel
[10:36] <cjwatson> Hi. I'm rejecting https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/267912 because it doesn't make sense to take bug reports about the wiki in LP and we don't have a good way to track them there, but could somebody check whether this is deliberate and if not fix it? It seems to be out of line with how you've done things in previous releases.
[10:38] <Riddell> cjwatson: I'll fix that
[10:38] <cjwatson> thanks
[10:39] <seaLne> is anyone else loosing the ability every so often to click with their mouse? it still moves just nothing responds to clicks (usb, tried diff mouse)
[10:40] <seaLne> very weird :-/
[10:44] <Riddell> seaLne: I've seen that happen once when there was a password window which seemed to confuse kwin
[10:45] <seaLne> ah thanks stupid gq
[10:51] <jpds> cjwatson: That bug could be related to the problem described at bug #259436
[11:30] <Riddell> mornfall: synced! thanks
[11:30] <mornfall> Ack, thanks.
[12:16] <jussi01> Morning JontheEchidna
[12:18] <mornfall> Riddell: For things that are in adept 3.0~beta2, do I set "fix released"? In launchpad bug tracker.
[12:25] <mornfall> Well, I closed two of them, the rest looks like a big jumble, hopefully someone manages to sift through that.
[12:28] <Riddell> mornfall: yes fix released when it's in the archive
[12:38] <Riddell> apachelogger: looks like that kdelibs build error also affects samba4
[12:38] <Riddell> seele: settings textbesideicons works fine when per user
[12:39] <Riddell> seele: it's only when set in our /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/config/kdeglobals that it doesn't work
[12:39] <Riddell> and I think there's a problem with that whole file
[12:39] <Riddell> no idea why, strace shows it being read
[12:39] <Riddell> however it's fine when I put it in /etc/kde4/kdeglobals so I'll just move it to there
[12:40] <apachelogger> Riddell: the gcc breakage?
[12:41] <apachelogger> ♥ opendns.com
[12:41] <Riddell> I don't know if it's related to the gcc breakage
[12:44] <apachelogger> /usr/include/asm-generic/fcntl.h:117: error: redefinition of 'struct flock'
[12:44] <apachelogger> the very same error kdelibs had on amd64
[12:44] <apachelogger> so I suppose it is caused by gcc
[12:48] <Riddell> well all compiler errors are caused by gcc, but I don't know if it's a gcc bug or just a change in gcc showing a bug elsewhere
[12:51] <seele> Riddell: huh, i thought i had tested it per user, but it's good that i was wrong :)
[12:55] <smarter> mornfall: is it a known bug that when downloading new packages, all the progress bars get stuck at ~80% except one?
[12:56] <mornfall> Not a known bug for sure.
[12:56] <mornfall> Can I have a screenshot, exact version, etc?
[12:56] <smarter> taking a screenshot right now
[12:56] <smarter> version is beta2
[12:57] <smarter> hmm, no it's beta1
[12:57] <mornfall> Shouldn't really make a difference.
[12:57] <mornfall> I didn't touch the download progress code since then.
[12:58] <mornfall> I think it didn't change since alpha 3.
[12:58] <smarter> I'll upgrade to beta2 and try to reproduce it, here is a screenshot: http://pix.nofrag.com/6/b/c/ff24af2d6a0b9283017a380cd7b24.html
[12:59] <mornfall> Last change is:
[12:59] <mornfall> Thu Jul 31 12:58:01 CEST 2008  me@mornfall.net
[13:00] <mornfall> Ahw.
[13:00] <mornfall> Do you have connectivity issues?
[13:00] <smarter> no
[13:00] <mornfall> Looks like APT bug to me. Dunno. I haven't seen anything like this happen.
[13:01] <smarter> and it looks like the packages were completely downloaded
[13:01] <seele> jjesse: did you find brainstorm issues to put in your app or did you just add some?
[13:01] <smarter> mornfall: the "openoffice.org-core" and the last progress bars were moving
[13:01] <mornfall> smarter: Hard to tell. Is that reproducible? Do you have a proxy?
[13:01] <smarter> no proxy
[13:02] <smarter> I'm building adept2 and will try to reproduce it after
[13:02] <mornfall> Ah, so you only got duplicate scrollbars, right?
[13:02] <mornfall> Err, s/scrollbars/progressbars/.
[13:02] <smarter> I don't know if it's suppoed to have multiple progressbars (:
[13:03] <smarter> looks like something is not refreshed thought
[13:03] <mornfall> smarter: It might, for parallel downloads.
[13:03] <smarter> *repainted even
[13:03] <mornfall> smarter: It seems the avutils stuff comes from medibuntu.org, openoffice from ubuntu.com -- those would get downloaded in parallel.
[13:03] <mornfall> smarter: But, I possibly see the bug. You don't happen to have terminal output of that adept around, do you?
[13:04] <smarter> I have :)
[13:04]  * smarter paste it somewhere
[13:04] <mornfall> \o/
[13:04] <smarter> http://pastebin.com/ma930608
[13:04] <mornfall> Now, if it has multiple fetching item: with same URL, that's the bug.
[13:04] <smarter> (at that point I clicked on cancel)
[13:05] <mornfall> Hooray.
[13:05] <smarter> looks like it's that :)
[13:05] <apachelogger> hm, I am running out of stuff for kde-nightly
[13:05] <Riddell> stuff?
[13:06] <mornfall> Riddell: Maybe he means weed? ; - )
[13:06] <apachelogger> Riddell: KDE modules
[13:06] <apachelogger> kdeplasma-addons is now part of the family as well
[13:06] <apachelogger> and kdeutils is on the way
[13:06] <smarter> apachelogger: cool
[13:07] <mornfall> smarter: I'd say that medibuntu has connectivity issues, though.
[13:07] <smarter> mornfall: that's possible, we had some servers problem earlier
[13:07] <smarter> (^ talking with my medibuntu hat on :p)
[13:08] <mornfall> smarter: Ok. Nevertheless, it should be fixed on my tree. It'll get into beta 3.
[13:08] <smarter> great
[13:08]  * apachelogger gets the batmask and looks at smarter
[13:08] <mornfall> smarter: Thanks for the report, too.
[13:08] <smarter> apachelogger: oohh all that time, it was you the batman! :p
[13:08] <smarter> mornfall: yw
[13:09] <mornfall> It's great when people actually have the info at their hands.
[13:09] <apachelogger> mornfall: you should just make adept aggregate the information automagically
[13:09] <apachelogger> that is pretty much what amarok did with their backtrace mailer
[13:10] <smarter> apachelogger: except it didn't crash here
[13:10] <apachelogger> that doesn't stop adept from keeping a stdout log
[13:10] <mornfall> apachelogger: Right, but that's coding time that I currently don't have.
[13:10] <apachelogger> ic
[13:10] <apachelogger> oht
[13:10] <apachelogger> that reminds me.... I still have uber verbose kDebug turned on
[13:12] <mornfall> Hmh. Would be very counter-intuitive to reverse the download list? Adding items to the start instead of end...
[13:12] <mornfall> It would work around the scrollbar issues I'm having there...
[13:14] <smarter> mornfall: adept is asking me if I want to install the new version of a config file or keep the old one, couldn't it open a diff like apt?
[13:14] <mornfall> smarter: It could, and I think it's on the todo -- but you can diff manually for now. It should give you paths to both versions.
[13:15] <smarter> yes it does, great if it's on the todo ;)
[13:17] <smarter> mornfall: also, it's only IMHO but I think you should move the update/upgrade/apply/revert buttons to toolbar buttons with icons
[13:20] <mornfall> smarter: Well, it's been discussed before. Earlier on, availability of "apply" without need to go through change preview has been very criticised...
[13:20] <mornfall> So I am not very keen on doing that move. And disabling bits of toolbar semi-randomly (to the user) seems like bad policy, too.
[13:20] <mornfall> Yes, it's available on the menu right now...
[13:21] <mornfall> Which might stir some controversy already. We'll see.
[13:21] <smarter> maybe you could change it to a "review before apply" or something that would change the current tab to the changes tab?
[13:37] <apachelogger> Riddell: the following packages can be removed: dolphin (0.9 aka d3lphin), codeine (superseded by dragonplayer), kconfigure (upstream dead, doesn't build anymore because of missing libkonq4-dev)
[13:39] <apachelogger> smarter: what is the status of kepas?
[13:39] <emunkki> hello apachelogger
[13:39] <apachelogger> ahoy emunkki
[13:39] <JontheEchidna> hallo guys
[13:39] <smarter> apachelogger: I've packaged an upstream snapshot and it works great
[13:39] <apachelogger> aloha JontheEchidna
[13:40] <apachelogger> smarter: ok, please file a FFe
[13:40] <apachelogger> and apply for motu :P
[13:40] <smarter> apachelogger: tomorrow afternoon ;)
[13:40] <jjesse_> morning kids
[13:40] <apachelogger> smarter: I will poke you all afternoon if you do't do it :P
[13:40] <apachelogger> howdy jjesse_
[13:40] <jjesse_> dang
[13:41] <smarter> apachelogger: I couldn't expect something else from you :p
[13:43] <apachelogger> !info kde
[13:43] <apachelogger> !info kde intrepid
[13:44]  * apachelogger nukes a todo itme
[13:44] <JontheEchidna> anybody know what the heck this guy is talking about in this bug? (bug 196161)
[13:44] <apachelogger> Riddell: kpovmodeler-kde4 can also be removed (dropped -kde4)
[13:47] <apachelogger> hm
[13:47] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ask for screenshots
[13:47] <apachelogger> otherwise I don't understand that either
[13:48] <apachelogger> "I just ran into the same problem this morning when trying to update my Laptop Kubuntu, AGAIN. Hello KDE - anybody listening?"
[13:49] <apachelogger> close won't fix, first he writes a cryptic reprot and then he expects KDE to jump off a bridge because he has a problem?
[13:49] <apachelogger> I tell you, I can't reproduce certain people's thinking
[13:50] <apachelogger> bug 25335
[13:50] <apachelogger> kde bug 25335
[13:52] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: http://lists.kde.org/?a=120367759800009&r=1&w=2
[13:54] <JontheEchidna> so, it crashed and the database was locked?
[13:55] <apachelogger> apparently
[13:55] <apachelogger> oh
[13:55] <apachelogger> "the NEW DESKTOP offer
[13:55] <apachelogger> appeared again.  "
[13:55] <apachelogger> I think I understand him
[13:55] <apachelogger> holy barracuda
[13:56] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: his adept updater crashes upon gutsy -> hardy upgrade
[13:56] <JontheEchidna> ah
[13:57] <apachelogger> mornfall: btw, software installers need to be rock stable: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-www&m=120367745225095&w=2 ;-)
[13:57] <apachelogger> reinstalling just because the database locks up sounds like a pita to me
[13:58] <JontheEchidna> well, if the database locks up now it will give a way to resolve it manually
[13:58] <JontheEchidna> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[13:58] <apachelogger> well
[13:58] <apachelogger> how is a user supposed to know that?
[13:58] <JontheEchidna> when you try to start adept in that state it tells you to
[13:58] <apachelogger> why does it not have a button?
[13:59]  * apachelogger grabs a new cup of coffee
[13:59]  * JontheEchidna shrugs
[14:00] <JontheEchidna> mornfall: krita, krita-kde4, and some other krita package all share the same package title/description when you search for "krita" in adept installer. (See bug 268106, the last screenshot especially)
[14:01] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: Well, noone expected that multiple packages of same piece of software would appear in app-install-data.
[14:01] <mornfall> I believe.
[14:02] <mornfall> You really only want to offer one of them in installer.
[14:02] <mornfall> Pick one and file a bug against app-install-data, I'd say.
[14:02] <JontheEchidna> ok
[14:02]  * JontheEchidna wonders what the 3rd krita is
[14:03] <mornfall> Ah, hmm.
[14:03] <mornfall> I still suspect it's app-install-data listing multiple destkop files.
[14:04] <mornfall> Btw. I don't think it's krita-kde4 -- look at the version.
[14:04] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: Can you run grep 'Name=Krita' /usr/share/app-install/desktop/*?
[14:05] <mornfall> Assuming you can reproduce on your system.
[14:05]  * JontheEchidna can reproduce
[14:05] <JontheEchidna> /usr/share/app-install/desktop/kde4_krita.desktop:Name=Krita
[14:05] <JontheEchidna> /usr/share/app-install/desktop/kde4_krita_magick.desktop:Name=Krita
[14:05] <JontheEchidna> /usr/share/app-install/desktop/kde_krita.desktop:Name=Krita
[14:05] <apachelogger> !info krita-common intrepid
[14:05] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: Right.
[14:05] <apachelogger> hm
[14:06] <mornfall> I only have one Krita on Debian. : - )
[14:06] <apachelogger> !info krita-data intrepid
[14:06] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ^
[14:06] <apachelogger> that package is causing the entry in the last screenshot
[14:06] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: You should see X-AppInstall-Package in those desktop files.
[14:06] <apachelogger> the last one at least
[14:07] <jpds> apachelogger: Why won't kcookiejar debug?
[14:07] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: These are either bugs in the packages providing bad .desktop files, or bugs in app-install-data for not filtering the stuff. Pick your choice.
[14:07] <apachelogger> jpds: I dunno, I was running kded in uber debug mode for stdout, the only think kded wanted to say about kcookiejar is that it started that module
[14:07] <JontheEchidna> hum... /me wonders how to go about fixing it
[14:08] <apachelogger> jpds: you'll have to talk to a konqueror developer since the google doesn't have information about debugging kcookiejar either
[14:09] <jpds> apachelogger: kcookiejar sounds evil by what I've seen.
[14:09] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: the last one is for the kde3 version of krita, the other two are kde4 stuff
[14:09] <apachelogger> jpds: well, to be fair, I didn't get much debugging from any other kded module either, so it might be verey wll that I am just too stupid
[14:09]  * jpds hugs apachelogger.
[14:10] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: then the versions are also all messed up
[14:10] <JontheEchidna> X-Krita-Version?
[14:11] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[14:11] <apachelogger> jpds: fyi, I am running kded on a konsole for half a day now, with uber debugging, I  now can watch any password access :P
[14:11] <apachelogger> <-- became paranoid over night
[14:13] <JontheEchidna> Ok, so kde4_krita_magick.desktop
[14:13] <JontheEchidna> [Desktop Entry]
[14:13] <JontheEchidna> X-AppInstall-Package=krita-data
[14:13] <JontheEchidna> ^there's the first problem right there
[14:14] <JontheEchidna> then the rest of the .desktop goes on to describe krita instead of krita-data
[14:16] <JontheEchidna> ok, so fixing kde4_krtia_magic desktop gets it to un-dupe
[14:17] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you should be fixing real bugs :P
[14:17] <JontheEchidna> but should it really even have a .desktop file for app-install-data?
[14:17] <apachelogger> what is kde4_krita_magic doing?
[14:17]  * apachelogger thinks it should go to the services directory really
[14:17] <JontheEchidna> It's trying to describe krita-data-kde4
[14:18] <JontheEchidna> but it doesn't even get the package it's trying to install right
[14:18] <JontheEchidna> and the user-visible name it provides is "krita"
[14:18] <apachelogger> nono
[14:18] <apachelogger> what is it doing for real
[14:19] <apachelogger> i.e. what is the desktop file in usr/share/applications/ doing
[14:19] <apachelogger> if it is only a service thingy for krita it shouldn't be in that directory
[14:19] <JontheEchidna> krita_magick.desktop
[14:20] <JontheEchidna> ok, it basically has krita's desktop file
[14:22] <JontheEchidna> with some slight differences
[14:23] <apachelogger> -.-
[14:23] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: please paste the file
[14:24]  * apachelogger fixes kdm-kde4 -> kdm
[14:24] <JontheEchidna> /usr/share/applications/kde4/krita_magick.desktop: http://paste.ubuntu.com/44894/
[14:25] <apachelogger> we need batpaste
[14:25] <apachelogger> :P
[14:26] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: what are the differences to krita.desktop?
[14:26] <JontheEchidna> krtia.desktop has some more translations
[14:26] <JontheEchidna> it's exec is krita
[14:27] <JontheEchidna> aw heck, I'll just paste the diff
[14:27] <apachelogger> we need batpaste --diff :P
[14:27] <JontheEchidna> http://paste.ubuntu.com/44896/
[14:28] <apachelogger> god that is lame
[14:28] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: get in touch with some krita guy in #koffice
[14:28] <apachelogger> that file doesn't belong there
[14:28] <apachelogger> and it shouldn't be existing at all because it is really just a copy of krita.desktop
[14:45] <jtechidna> smarter: you're doing kepas? bug 268082
[14:45] <apachelogger> jtechidna: new snapshot coming up
[14:45] <apachelogger> smarter just needs to file the FFe :P
[14:50] <apachelogger> jpds: ping
[14:50] <jpds> apachelogger: pong.
[14:51] <apachelogger> jpds: you are a backport dude, aren't you=
[14:51] <apachelogger> ?
[14:51] <jpds> apachelogger: One of them, yes.
[14:51] <apachelogger> jpds: please have a look at bug 267414
[14:53] <jpds> apachelogger, jussi01: Approved for backporting.
[14:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: please backport quassel, as per bug 267414
[14:54]  * apachelogger likes that workflow
[14:56] <seele> hmm.. anyone else have problems using today's live cd?  it doesnt look like the boot menu works
[14:57]  * seele reburns the cd
[14:58] <Riddell> davmor2 ^^ ?
[15:00] <davmor2> seele: live or alternative?
[15:00] <seele> davmor2: live
[15:01] <davmor2> 2 ticks
[15:01] <seele> i can get to the menu and select a language, but when i select an option the disc spins for a while and gives me a media error
[15:01] <seele> i'm reburning now, i couldnt even select the option to check the media to see if the media was the problem
[15:01] <Tm_T> hi kids
[15:01]  * seele is glad CDs are so cheap
[15:01] <emunkki> Tm_T, hello daddy
[15:02] <jjesse> yay now i know who my father is
[15:02] <jjesse> i've always wondered
[15:02] <davmor2> seele: 32bit or 64bit?
[15:03] <seele> davmor2: 32
[15:03] <Riddell> seele: not got rewritables?
[15:03] <seele> Riddell: nope, just a spindle of what was on sale at bestbuy
[15:03] <apachelogger> emunkki: Tm_T is mom!
[15:03] <davmor2> seele Riddell: about 2 minutes
[15:03] <emunkki> ohh sorry
[15:03] <emunkki> ;)
[15:04] <emunkki> she must've changed his gender then as his name is a mans name
[15:04] <seele> hum.. that one didnt work either
[15:05] <seele> (yesterday's)
[15:05] <seele> let me try a different stack of cds..
[15:06] <davmor2> seele: it's been the 20080903 so if you have one from yesterday that worked it's the same :)
[15:06] <davmor2> booting now
[15:07] <davmor2> seele Riddell: working here
[15:07] <seele> davmor2: i've got 08 and 09.. i'm trying a different cd brand
[15:09] <seele> how many people do you think go through the install process and fail because they didnt check CD for defects first?
[15:09] <davmor2> too many
[15:09] <davmor2> yeap booted up fine
[15:10] <seele> davmor2: looks like i have some bad media.. made a disc from a different spindle and it boots ok
[16:06] <seele> wow, so this is going to sound like a stupid question
[16:06] <seele> but i search for adept in kickoff
[16:06] <seele> i get three entires, updated, manager, and installer
[16:07] <seele> i don't know the difference?
[16:07] <goatsocks> adept is split up into 3 uis now
[16:07] <JontheEchidna> it actually has been forever
[16:07] <apachelogger> seele: updater, simple installer, manager
[16:08] <seele> right.. so i can't install new packages and do updates at the same time?
[16:08]  * seele is normally an apt user
[16:08] <apachelogger> in manager you shoudl be able to
[16:09] <apachelogger> updater and installer are really just simplified versions of the manager
[16:09] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: mirroring the kde4 ppa takes a fair amoung of time -.-
[16:09] <JontheEchidna> manager is the all-powerful power tool that will handle installation and updates and source.list fetching
[16:10] <Riddell> updater shouldn't be in the menu and installer should be in the top level of the applications menu as Add/remove Apps
[16:10] <goatsocks> Riddell++
[16:11] <seele> adept manager looks ok, but is installer still under development?  i get a blank listview in the Browse page
[16:13] <JontheEchidna> installer seems to work fine for me
[16:13] <Riddell> seele: do you have app-install-data installed?
[16:13] <seele> i've got whatever the live cd gave me
[16:15]  * JontheEchidna doesn't see app-install-data in the depends or recommends of kubuntu-desktop nor adept itself
[16:15] <seele> hum, that package doesnt show up in adept manager
[16:15] <Riddell> seele: got files in /usr/share/app-install/desktop/ ?
[16:16] <seele> seele@sebastien:~$ ls /usr/share/app-install/desktop/
[16:16] <seele> ls: cannot access /usr/share/app-install/desktop/: No such file or directory
[16:16] <goatsocks> yeah adept should have a hard dep on that but it doesn't
[16:16] <JontheEchidna> oh, and you can't search by package name in adept manager yet
[16:16] <seele> JontheEchidna: is that going to happen for intrepid?
[16:16] <JontheEchidna> last time I spoke to mornfall he said no I think
[16:18] <goatsocks> kpackagekit does it already
[16:18] <mornfall> Right. Not enough testing.
[16:18] <goatsocks> but it's still a bit green
[16:19] <JontheEchidna> mornfall: isses I see about this in ubuntu's bug tracker should be classified as wishlist, correct?
[16:19] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: Dunno, first of all, they should probably end up in bugs.kde.org.
[16:20] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I should go through the bugs list and forward the good ones
[16:20] <mornfall> Although... bugs.kde.org still doesn't work.
[16:20] <JontheEchidna> meh
[16:20] <mornfall> For me, anyway.
[16:20] <goatsocks> it's borked
[16:20] <mornfall> It gives me a database error.
[16:20] <seele> mornfall: it wasn't working the other day either
[16:21] <mornfall> Well, it's broken for me for a few weeks now.
[16:21] <JontheEchidna> o.O
[16:21] <mornfall> I have contacted sysadmins, but they sort of ignored me.
[16:22] <mornfall> Unknown column 'bugs.qa_contact' in 'on clause' at globals.pl line 275.
[16:22] <seele> probably because they're getting about 100 of those contacts a day :P
[16:22] <mornfall>  For help, please send mail to the webmaster (webmaster@kde.org), giving this error message and the time and date of the error.
[16:22] <mornfall> Whatever.
[16:22] <seele> eek, adept didnt unlock apt/lists
[16:22] <mornfall> What apt/lists are those?
[16:23] <seele> seele@sebastien:~$ sudo apt-get update
[16:23] <seele> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[16:23] <seele> after i closed adept manager
[16:23] <mornfall> Never seen.
[16:24] <mornfall> What were you doing before that?
[16:24] <seele> now you seen it.  fresh from today's live CD
[16:24] <seele> nothing, i just opened adept manager, closed it properly, tried to use apt-get
[16:24] <mornfall> And it worked before?
[16:25] <mornfall> ps aux | grep -i adept?
[16:25] <seele> checked it, it's not running
[16:25] <mornfall> Then it can hardly have it locked, as it's a fcntl-style lock...
[16:25] <seele> i just went in and removed the lock file so i can use apt
[16:26] <mornfall> Maybe it was some sort of periodic update holding that lock.
[16:26] <mornfall> Well, if you get corrupt package lists, you now know why...
[16:27] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: anything workspaceish to fix
[16:27] <apachelogger> ?
[16:28] <JontheEchidna> hmm, I haven't seen any packaging bugs reported for it recently
[16:28] <JontheEchidna> This is a wishlist request though, right? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/243600
[16:29] <JontheEchidna> it's doing what it's programmed to do, justt the approach could be be better
[16:29] <JontheEchidna> anyway, I won't miss his bug reports much
[16:45] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: bug 99044 needs report @ bko and possibly @ trolltech.com as well
[16:50] <seele> is the Upgrade notification bubble supposed to be click-to-dismiss?
[16:50] <seele> i can't figure out how to make it go away
[16:52] <seele> ooh, bubble crashed.. lol
[16:52] <JontheEchidna> lol
[16:58] <Riddell> seele: yes it should be click-to-dismiss
[16:58] <Riddell> seele: did it crash? or did you click the apport icon and it launched apport for something else?
[16:59] <seele> i clicked the network icon by it by accident and when i dismissed the menu the bubble didn't get repainted
[16:59] <seele> this was after i tried to click the bubble to dismiss
[17:01] <apachelogger> smarter: ping
[17:01] <smarter> apachelogger: pong
[17:01] <apachelogger> smarter: you are on amd64?
[17:02] <smarter> yes
[17:02] <apachelogger> damn, next time you wait longer before replying, I didn't find the url in time :P
[17:02] <apachelogger> smarter: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/4:3.5.10-0ubuntu3
[17:02] <apachelogger> please try building that version in a pbuilder
[17:02] <Riddell> mornfall: adept updater from beta 2 working perfectly
[17:04]  * smarter launches pbuilder and get back to school work
[17:09] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/debdiffs/kdebase-workspace_4.1.1-0ubuntu4_to_ubuntu5.diff
[17:13] <Riddell> mm, bash complexity
[17:19] <smarter> apachelogger: kdelibs failed with the same error than the buildd
[17:20]  * apachelogger thinks NCommander needs to look into this
[17:47] <Riddell> mornfall: been playing with darcs and added app-install-data as a dependency and put adept-installer as Core in the application menu
[17:47] <Riddell> http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/darcs/adept-3/
[17:47] <Riddell> that's a scp of the archive to the server, I'm assuming that works
[17:49] <JontheEchidna> mornfall: I'm working on backporting some changes from sidebar.cpp from Okular, makes the sidebar look much better.
[17:53] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: It would be actually great if you could follow Riddell's suit and make a darcs branch... ; - )
[17:53] <mornfall> Riddell: Great, thanks -- I can pull from it just fine.
[17:53] <mornfall> Riddell: Although I haven't updated my public branch, which I will in a while. But I have food on the stove...
[17:58] <Riddell> mornfall: how do you update it?  rsync?
[18:03] <JontheEchidna> mornfall: http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c355/Woremar/adept3_2.png
[18:04] <JontheEchidna> so darcs is like svn/git, etc?
[18:06] <JontheEchidna> hmm, I wonder where I could host a repo...
[18:07] <apachelogger> Riddell, JontheEchidna: maybe we should create kubuntu-bugs and subscribe it to all KDE bugs instead of the obsolete kubuntu-team team
[18:25] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: ping
[18:26] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: pong
[18:26] <Artemis_Fowl> good
[18:26] <Artemis_Fowl> time to talk a little
[18:26] <seele> yep
[18:26] <Artemis_Fowl> first of all, as apachelogger informed me, we can release one more version before intrepid's release
[18:27] <Artemis_Fowl> and that must be before october
[18:27] <seele> ok
[18:27] <seele> bug fixes only?
[18:27] <Artemis_Fowl> yep
[18:27] <Artemis_Fowl> so
[18:28] <Artemis_Fowl> I have resolved all bugs in QA Testing bug
[18:28] <Artemis_Fowl> except for two:
[18:28] <Artemis_Fowl> the double header
[18:28] <Artemis_Fowl> (I can't find a way to remove the first header - the one containing the description of the module-)
[18:29] <seele> yeah, i see that.  it would be nice to fix but i dont think it is a priority
[18:29] <seele> it looks weird because nothing else has it, but it isnt going to make someone screw something up
[18:29] <Artemis_Fowl> it seems as if only the second header can be removed since it is part if the page widget
[18:30] <Artemis_Fowl> but that wouldn't be nice either
[18:30] <mornfall> Riddell: rsync is fine, if you have darcs on server, you can do darcs push host:directory
[18:30] <Artemis_Fowl> since it contains a small description of what each page is for
[18:31] <Artemis_Fowl> btw, I dropped a mail on the kde-devel mailing list and asked the question on kde's IRC channel, but found no solution
[18:31] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: bug 194425 do you understand comment 10?
[18:31] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: next thing is the Tools page
[18:31] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: should I rework it?
[18:32] <Artemis_Fowl> and if so, how?
[18:32] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: unrelated to the konq bug
[18:32] <seele> i dunno, i guess i can agree it is a little inconsistent since we use tabs in the other pages, but now use buttons
[18:32] <seele> but half of the options are popup wizards, not screens
[18:32] <seele> i dont think it is a priority, but should be one of the first things we look at for the next version
[18:33] <Artemis_Fowl> ok
[18:33] <Artemis_Fowl> afk for a sec
[18:33] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ideas about bug 194693
[18:33] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: it looks like update-notifier-kde crashed, which triggered apport + an upgrade hook saying language-pack installation wasn't complete
[18:34] <JontheEchidna> but it doesn't have anything to do with konq + cookies
[18:34] <apachelogger> well, the crash affects more than konq + cookies anyway
[18:34] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: if you want, we can start thinking of a list of things to work on for post intrepid
[18:34] <apachelogger> when kded goes down also shortcuts won't work anymore
[18:34] <apachelogger> which is probably the cause for a different report in kdelibs
[18:34] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: i really want to improve password configuration/management, it seems a bit awkward now
[18:35] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: that's the next thing I would like to tell you about
[18:35] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: change some workflows
[18:35] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I think the extra // in front of the kioslave url are doing it
[18:35] <Artemis_Fowl> for instance, today I changed the map workflow
[18:35] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: I got rid of the assistant
[18:36] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: and instead used something simpler
[18:36] <seele> oh ok.. is that already added?
[18:37] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: this: http://dc86.4shared.com/download/62313283/fb1f61f7/KGRUBEditor56.png?tsid=20080909-123702-f6777b36
[18:37] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: gnome uses 3 slashes
[18:37] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: yes, I commited it
[18:37] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: the thing is, places -> network shouldn't do anything with klauncher
[18:38] <JontheEchidna> I think I am even more confused now
[18:38] <apachelogger> lol
[18:38] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: gnome has a place menu, which holds a network link, that one opens nautilus with network:///
[18:39] <apachelogger> which is pretty much like our network slave
[18:39] <JontheEchidna> so, what does this have to do with kde?
[18:39] <apachelogger> I have no idea
[18:39] <mornfall> Riddell: I have pushed my changes and the conflict resolution, so you might want to pull before making any further changes...
[18:39] <apachelogger> but apparently klauncher crashes
[18:39] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: Same to you, if you are working off darcs.
[18:39]  * JontheEchidna doesn't know anything about darcs...
[18:40] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: why did you think the splash image input box didn't need a label again?  i forget your reasoning
[18:40] <Artemis_Fowl> um there is no reasoning
[18:40] <Artemis_Fowl> I forgot it
[18:41] <Artemis_Fowl> ^^
[18:41] <seele> ah, hehe.. i thought you said you didnt think it needed one
[18:41] <seele> but it would be nice if it had one, otherwise you arent sure what you are trying to put in there
[18:41] <apachelogger> jjesse: bug 215405 is still valid for intrepid?
[18:42] <jjesse> ummm haven't tested, mark as invalid
[18:42] <apachelogger> ok
[18:42] <jjesse> won't get a chance to test either really as intrepid is only in a vm
[18:42] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: have you seen the new splash image list?
[18:43] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: is it in the same release as the new maps dialog?  if so, no because it isnt in the daily build yet
[18:43] <JontheEchidna> mornfall: the patches are pretty small themselves, mind if I just email them to you?
[18:44] <Artemis_Fowl> wow
[18:44] <Artemis_Fowl> daily build?
[18:44] <seele> yeah there are daily builds of the live and install CDs
[18:44] <seele> that usually how i test stuff
[18:44] <Artemis_Fowl> and the package gets updated from source automatically?
[18:44] <Artemis_Fowl> updated/created*
[18:44] <seele> i dunno how it works
[18:45] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: omg, must have patch: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=152761
[18:46] <Artemis_Fowl> apachelogger: is there a way to automatically create .deb packages from a bzr branch? something like PPAs or something like this. I dunno how these things work
[18:47] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: Sure, mailing is fine.
[18:47] <apachelogger> Artemis_Fowl: technically you can get daily builds I think
[18:47] <apachelogger> jussi01: ping
[18:47] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: that's how it looks like right now: http://dc78.4shared.com/download/62358516/7d791975/KGRUBEditor57.png?tsid=20080909-124657-db383a23
[18:48] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: and when clicking on the combo box the list is like this: http://dc88.4shared.com/download/61810596/debbf70c/KGRUBEditor55.png?tsid=20080909-124751-6ac19223
[18:48] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: denied, no KDE QA
[18:48] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: (the second screenshot has different style because it was taken some days ago)
[18:49] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: and if you click browse and select a file, it adds it to the list?
[18:50] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: yes, along with any other splash images that reside in the same folder
[18:50] <seele> oh
[18:50] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: it works pretty much like Plasma's wallpaper dialog
[18:51] <seele> hmm.. should we use a folder picker then instead of a file picker?
[18:51] <seele> i think it would be unexpected to pick a single file and then all of the other files are added automatically
[18:51] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: I have thought of a "Manage Scanned Directories" or something similar button which allows you to handle which dirs will be monitored
[18:51] <seele> yes, but that only adds the image you select, not all of the images in the folder of the image you select
[18:54] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: should I put the label next to the combobox?
[18:54] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: no, i dont think you need a label anymore
[18:55] <seele> hmm.. well maybe you do
[18:55] <seele> hmm
[18:55] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: bug 211682 needs fwd
[18:56] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: the desktop example has a label, but i'm not sure if you need one. i dont remember any guidelines for this case
[18:56] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: kde4libs completely triaged
[18:56] <JontheEchidna> liek whoa, nice
[18:56] <seele> it seems more like a setting than enter information, so in that case you don't necessarily need an explicit direction
[18:57] <Artemis_Fowl> apachelogger: any link on how to get daily builds?
[18:57] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: ok
[18:57] <apachelogger> Artemis_Fowl: I think jussi01 had a setup for quassel, I'll poke him to get one for kgrubeditor
[18:58] <Artemis_Fowl> apachelogger: ok. let me know then
[18:58] <apachelogger> aye
[18:58] <seele> Riddell: do you think we should have a kubutu meeting to begin talking about jaunty?  it might help make UDS apps easier to fill out with some project goals
[18:59] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: there's a dupe of bug 211682 in workspace
[18:59] <JontheEchidna> oh, actually that one is a dupe of the one in workspace
[18:59] <JontheEchidna> bug 192413
[19:00]  * JontheEchidna marks as dupe
[19:00] <apachelogger> \o/
[19:01] <JontheEchidna> It's pretty pathetic that I caught that without looking at the buglist... lol
[19:02] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: what should be done now? work on the password thing?
[19:02] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: my TODO list seems to be empty
[19:04] <seele> hmm.. password workflow was my biggest pet peeve
[19:04] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: well, I also knew there was a similar report in some kdebase, but I was too lazy to check :P
[19:04] <seele> oh.. hold on. i might have something else.  let me see if i can find the HIG page
[19:05] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: -runtime triaged
[19:05] <emunkki> barf
[19:05] <JontheEchidna> heh, runtime has like 6 bugs?
[19:05] <apachelogger> one less now :P
[19:05] <JontheEchidna> ha
[19:05] <JontheEchidna> We should set up the bathospital for triage lists
[19:06] <JontheEchidna> maybe with links to needs-forwarding lists
[19:06] <seele> damn, the took the screenshots off the page
[19:07] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: one of the patterns we are working on for KDE is how to do rich lists.. it would be a way to better hide/show the Entry Details than having a separate screen
[19:07] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: similar to the way you designed it initially, but with slightly different interaction
[19:08] <Artemis_Fowl> oh
[19:08] <seele> but the screenshot examples are not on the page anymore so i can't show you what i mean
[19:08]  * Artemis_Fowl has to go through this painful process once again... :|
[19:09] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: i thought you said your TODO list was empty! :)
[19:10] <Artemis_Fowl> ok this was meant to be a secret, but my TODO list hates the Show Details issue. don't tell anydoby though :)
[19:11] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: workspace is looking pretty close to triaged too
[19:12] <apachelogger> hm
[19:12] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: how do I get kcrash instead of apport?
[19:12] <JontheEchidna> uh
[19:12] <JontheEchidna> um
[19:12]  * JontheEchidna checks irc logs
[19:13] <apachelogger> we should document that somewhere :P
[19:14] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: /etc/defaults/apport
[19:14] <apachelogger> doesn't like me very much apparently
[19:16] <apachelogger> pfft
[19:16] <apachelogger> apport doesn't want to trace that either
[19:16]  * apachelogger fires up plasma
[19:17] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: then i would say password management.  but i'm sure once intrepid is released we'll be hearing of all other things that could be fixed
[19:17] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: oh, and the Tools page, but I'm not sure what to do about that right now
[19:17] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: just give me a couple tasks to complete before intrepid
[19:17] <Artemis_Fowl> but I have to go now
[19:18] <Artemis_Fowl> mail me if you can't find me in IRC
[19:18] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: ok.  if youre around tomorrow we can talk about the password workflow
[19:18] <Artemis_Fowl> ah
[19:18] <Artemis_Fowl> ok
[19:18] <seele> otherwise i'll write something up for you to look at
[19:18] <Artemis_Fowl> tomorrow is kind of impossible
[19:18] <seele> ok no problem then
[19:18] <seele> whenever you come back then
[19:18] <Artemis_Fowl> good
[19:19] <Artemis_Fowl> bb
[19:20] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: plasma doesn't want to be traced
[19:21]  * apachelogger starts whining
[19:21] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: apport has been whining too
[19:23] <apachelogger> now I might have killed bko
[19:25] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: does your plasma cry when it crashes?
[19:25]  * JontheEchidna can get backtraces
[19:26] <JontheEchidna> though come to think of it
[19:26] <JontheEchidna> last time it crashed it might have said the stack was corrupted
[19:27] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: bug 263706
[19:27] <apachelogger> I guess we should forward and blame Riddell for breaking our kcrash :P
[19:28] <JontheEchidna> :P
[19:30] <Riddell> hmm?
[19:31] <apachelogger> Riddell: plasma doesn't give any backtraces anymore
[19:31] <Riddell> turn off apport in /etc/default/apport if you don't want it
[19:31] <apachelogger> doesn't fix it for some reason :S
[19:33] <Riddell> seele: yes, a meeting like that would be interesting
[19:33] <apachelogger> Riddell: https://edge.launchpad.net/kde could use some oxygen icon :)
[19:33] <Riddell> seele: I'm away monday and tuesday, maybe on wednesday
[19:33]  * JontheEchidna afks for abit
[19:35] <Riddell> apachelogger: I have no idea how
[19:35] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, you should have some yellowish icon somewhere at the top of that page
[19:36] <Riddell> apachelogger: nope
[19:36] <apachelogger> "There is no project in Launchpad named "kde". Please search for it as it may be registered with a different name."
[19:36] <Riddell> I think it's a super-project rather than a project proper
[19:37] <apachelogger> yes
[19:37] <apachelogger> but why can't one use it for bug linkage
[19:37] <apachelogger> that seems to be pretty lame TBH
[19:38] <emunkki> apachelogger, heya
[19:38] <apachelogger> hoy
[19:38] <emunkki> apachelogger, an ubuntu geek has done an svg automagizer
[19:38] <NCommander> ScottK, ok, I"m here :-)
[19:38] <apachelogger> emunkki: a what?
[19:38] <apachelogger> \o/
[19:38] <emunkki> you might want to join #ubuntu-website
[19:39] <katcita> hey, I've just upgraded to latest intrepid and I get 'no greeter plugin found' when kdm starts and then it just freezes, any idea how to fix that?
[19:39] <emunkki> apachelogger, a script to automate the png-making
[19:39] <apachelogger> god i hate pngs
[19:39] <emunkki> apachelogger, the one you said you would do for ii+1
[19:39] <ScottK> NCommander: I saw your debdiff, but haven't had a chance to do anything with it yet.
[19:39] <emunkki> well anything.
[19:39] <apachelogger> NCommander: if you have time, please investigate the amd64 FBTFS of kdelibs
[19:39] <seele> Riddell: yuriy: apachelogger: Nightrose: next Kubuntu meeting 17 Sep 23:00 UTC?
[19:39] <NCommander> apachelogger, on intrepid?
[19:39] <ScottK> NCommander: Yes.
[19:39] <apachelogger> NCommander: yes, there seems to be a similar build error for samba4
[19:39] <NCommander> LInk to build log?
[19:40] <Nightrose> seele: should work for me
[19:40] <seele> oh, nixternal too
[19:40] <seele> ah hell, i'll just send an email
[19:40] <apachelogger> NCommander: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/17376638/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-amd64.kdelibs_4:3.5.10-0ubuntu3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[19:40] <nixternal> seele: yes, it will work me
[19:41]  * nixternal puts it in his blackberry
[19:41] <NCommander> apachelogger, well, thats a pretty failure
[19:41] <apachelogger> exaclty my opinion ;-)
[19:41] <NCommander> It looks like what killed kppp on lpia
[19:42] <NCommander> the C library and the kernel headers have a disagreement on the proper formatting for a struct
[19:42] <NCommander> I'm suprised it didnt' FTBFS on any other arch
[19:44] <NCommander> ScottK, about the hardy-proposed uploads, I'm spinning debdiffs as we speak
[19:44] <ScottK> NCommander: Let's ask Riddell which he'd prefer.
[19:45]  * apachelogger needs a new headset
[19:46] <ScottK> Riddell: NCommander figured out why kdenetwork if FTBFS on lpia.  We could either upload a fix to 3.5.9 to hardy-updates now or update 3.5.10 in hardy-backports with the idea that it'd get into -updates when we get 3.5.10 copied over ...
[19:46] <ScottK> Riddell: Do you have a preference?
[19:47] <Riddell> hmm?
[19:47] <Riddell> it fails in intrepid or hardy?
[19:47] <ScottK> This is Hardy.
[19:47] <ScottK> It's the one and only FTBFS in core KDE in Hardy right now, so I thought to get it cleared up.
[19:48]  * NCommander feels like he did some good for a change :-)
[19:48] <Riddell> ScottK: I guess it depends on the plans for copying 3.5.10 to -updates
[19:49] <apachelogger> seele: that is pretty long to go :P
[19:49]  * apachelogger would like one this weekish
[19:49] <ScottK> Riddell: Currently we have 3 regressions from 3.5.9 that we are looking into a|wen has made some good progress on them, so I have some confidence we'll be able to have 3.5.10 free of known regressions in the next week or two.
[19:49]  * NCommander agrees with apachelogger 
[19:50] <ScottK> So I think it's going to be a good canidate for copying over.
[19:50] <apachelogger> seele: NCommander needs to be come a member ASAP
[19:50] <NCommander> \o/!
[19:50] <apachelogger> I also think getting yourselfs organized for QA would be a good idea as well
[19:50] <NCommander> apachelogger, ?
[19:50] <apachelogger> *ourselfs
[19:50] <NCommander> oh
[19:51] <seele> apachelogger: Riddell isn't around Monday and Tuesday.  Tomorrow is a bit soon, don't you think?
[19:51] <Riddell> ScottK: sounds like 3.5.10 is the way then
[19:51] <apachelogger> seele: how about thursday, friday or saturday? ;-)
[19:51] <seele> argh, i'm not scheduling any more meetings
[19:52] <Riddell> thursday would work for me
[19:52] <JontheEchidna> woo, jaunty planning time
[19:52] <apachelogger> Nightrose, yuriy, nixternal: how about thursday?
[19:52] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: jackalope planing is post intrepid
[19:52] <nixternal> what time again?
[19:52] <nixternal> 23:00?
[19:53] <apachelogger> I guess
[19:53] <nixternal> also I can do earlier UTC times
[19:53]  * smarter is sleeping at 23 UTC
[19:53] <a|wen> ScottK: oh, btw. was your issues with the system tray solved?
[19:53] <apachelogger> nixternal: what's the earliest for you?
[19:53] <nixternal> 14:00 UTC
[19:53] <nixternal> 23:00 UTC == I am on the train actually
[19:53] <ScottK> a|wen: I still haven't had a chance to fiddle with it.
[19:54] <nixternal> though I guess I could get in via blackberry
[19:54] <apachelogger> seele, Riddell, Nightrose: 14 UTC?
[19:54] <apachelogger> NCommander: 14 UTC thursday?
[19:54] <Nightrose> apachelogger: 2 hours later would be better
[19:54] <Nightrose> i need to get some hacking done with sven
[19:54] <NCommander> apachelogger, what's that in EDT?
[19:54] <nixternal> 2 hours later and I will definitely be unable to make it
[19:54] <Nightrose> :/
[19:54] <apachelogger> NCommander: +6 I think
[19:54] <apachelogger> eh
[19:54] <apachelogger> +4
[19:54] <seele> -4
[19:55] <NCommander> I *think* that's 10 my time
[19:55] <apachelogger> something like that :P
[19:55] <seele> 10am
[19:55] <Nightrose> hmm how about 14:30?
[19:55] <NCommander> I only have until 11
[19:55] <Nightrose> UTC
[19:55] <NCommander> *11:30
[19:55] <Nightrose> i can try to make 14:30 if needed
[19:55] <seele> apachelogger: later or earlier? i've got a meeting at that time
[19:55] <apachelogger> hn
[19:55] <nixternal> I am at work from 14:00 UTC and don't get home until about 23:30 UTC, soon to be 00:30 UTC when daylight savings end
[19:55] <nixternal> s
[19:56] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: are all these bugs triggered by closing a folderview
[19:56] <JontheEchidna> ?
[19:56] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: no
[19:57] <JontheEchidna> cuz that's how I crashed my plasma the other day
[19:57] <a|wen> ScottK: okay; i'll be patient then :) ... i hope to make some final suggestions beginning of next week; but still miss feedback on a few bug reports
[19:57] <ScottK> OK.  Thanks.
[19:57] <ScottK> a|wen: I did take a quit look at the system tray question once, but couldn't find where to change the icon size.
[19:58] <NCommander> ScottK, I have almost all the debdiffs for you
[19:59] <a|wen> ScottK: there was some problems with the spacing between icons... that was the fix i picked-out from svn
[19:59]  * apachelogger killalls amarok
[19:59] <apachelogger> Riddell, Nightrose, NCommander, seele, nixternal, yuriy, ScottK, smarter, JontheEchidna, vorian: http://doodle.ch/participation.html?pollId=84p3f6d3v3iypg4u
[20:00] <ScottK> a|wen: OK.  When you have proposed changes, please ping me and I'll upload them to hardy-backports.
[20:00] <NCommander> apachelogger, d'oh, I only put in Thursday's times
[20:01] <apachelogger> NCommander: reenter
[20:01] <NCommander> apachelogger, well
[20:01] <NCommander> apachelogger :-P
[20:01] <apachelogger> ah
[20:02] <a|wen> ScottK: thx, I'll do that ... the most critical IMO is the mail list problems, which I still wait for feedback on
[20:02] <apachelogger> ha! my availablility is higher than Nightrose's :P
[20:02] <apachelogger> <-- uber awesome server :P
[20:02] <Nightrose> hehe
[20:02] <JontheEchidna> lol
[20:02] <ScottK> a|wen: OK.  There's no need to do them all at once if they affect difference packages.
[20:03] <JontheEchidna> should I add availibility for other days too?
[20:03] <NCommander> I think 9/11 1400 is winning
[20:04] <apachelogger> I think I like that doodle thing
[20:04]  * NCommander hurts whoever broke the kdelibs clean rule
[20:04] <NCommander> apachelogger, agreed
[20:05] <a|wen> ScottK: completely true; but unfortunately I actually miss feedback on some part of all of the packages I looked at ... but I'll gather what I have beginning of next week in any case
[20:05] <NCommander> creating libksycoca_la.all_cpp.cpp ...
[20:05] <NCommander> ARGH
[20:05] <NCommander> It's an autogenerated file thats FTBFS!
[20:10]  * NCommander sighs
[20:10] <NCommander> Who do I hurt :-P
[20:13] <NCommander> ok
[20:13] <NCommander> I found the bug
[20:15] <Riddell> phew
[20:15] <yuriy> apachelogger, seele: hmm? what's going on? meeting?
[20:15]  * NCommander hurts the glibc guys
[20:16] <NCommander> apachelogger, I can fix it so this builds, or I can fix it so upstream may accept the patch
[20:16] <NCommander> I won't bother with the latter if kdelibs 3.5 isn't going to see any more updates
[20:16]  * Riddell looks at facebook and looks at Nightrose 
[20:16]  * Nightrose looks at Riddell :P
[20:16] <Nightrose> Riddell: you are not the first to notice...
[20:17] <Nightrose> ;-)
[20:17] <Nightrose> as you might hav seen
[20:17] <Nightrose> *have
[20:17] <Riddell> it says what you're not, but doesn't say what you are
[20:17] <Nightrose> because I am not 100% sure about it all yet - we'll see
[20:17]  * Riddell smells gossip
[20:18] <Nightrose> i am like 98% sure
[20:18] <Nightrose> haha
[20:18] <Nightrose> oh yea
[20:18]  * yuriy wonders what's this about
[20:18] <seele> Riddell: sooo slow on the uptake
[20:18] <Nightrose> *lol*
[20:18] <seele> Riddell: that was so yesterday
[20:19] <seele> actually, it was all last weekend according to Nightrose ;)
[20:19] <Nightrose> yuriy: me no longer being listed as single on facebook - which is currently spreading among KDE people
[20:19] <Nightrose> ;-)
[20:19] <yuriy> hmm, I'm going to skip the poll. I can't say for certain I'll be free at any time anytime soon
[20:19] <Nightrose> hehe right
[20:19]  * NCommander looks for Riddell on facebook
[20:20] <NCommander> bah, there are multiple riddels in London
[20:20] <NCommander> and the UK in general
[20:20] <Riddell> I'm not in London!
[20:21]  * NCommander looks
[20:21] <jjesse> NCommander: Riddell is in edinburgh (spelling?)
[20:21] <jjesse> correct?
[20:21] <NCommander> Oh
[20:21] <NCommander> Found it
[20:21]  * NCommander had to zoom in on Riddell's google map thing on LP
[20:22] <jjesse> stalker
[20:22] <NCommander> apachelogger, I got what appears to be a fix for kdelibs
[20:23] <NCommander> I need someone to upload it for me (or at the very least, sign the changes file :-))
[20:23] <Riddell> Nightrose: ooh?
[20:23] <Riddell> no
[20:23] <Riddell> NCommander: ooh?
[20:23] <NCommander> Riddell, I'm just waiting for the build to complete, but it appears to have passed where it was failing
[20:25] <smarter> If anyone is interested in reviewing/testing/looking at kvkbd,the KDE virtual keyboard, I've uploaded debs here: https://edge.launchpad.net/~smarter/+archive feedback appreciated :)
[20:28] <JontheEchidna> smarter: It would be nice if a resize cursor came up when you mouse over the resize lines in the bottom right corner
[20:28] <JontheEchidna> man, that took forever to type
[20:29] <smarter> JontheEchidna: yes, I tried to implement that but got bored ;) I'll add it to my todo
[20:31] <JontheEchidna> kde svn 859197
[20:32] <smarter> changes I plan to do for post-0.6: move all the options to a configure dialog, add a way to change background color, and lots of code fix :P
[20:34] <smarter> seele: when you have some free time, do you think you could take a look at kvkbd and say if it looks usable or not? ;)
[20:34]  * apachelogger knows all the truth about Nightrose :P
[20:34] <apachelogger> woah
[20:35] <apachelogger> I am so uber important I somtimes can't belive myself
[20:35] <NCommander> what's wow apachelogger ?
[20:35] <Nightrose> apachelogger: you know I will kill you if you say anything! :P
[20:35] <apachelogger> NCommander: vista I guess, so what was the problem with that old patchy kdelibs?
[20:35] <apachelogger> Nightrose: I was afraid you would say that
[20:35] <Nightrose> haha
[20:35] <NCommander> apachelogger, glibc and linux disagree on the meaning of stat
[20:35] <Riddell> apachelogger: what's the truth? I've been stalking her for half an hour and the best I can find out is she's now friends with Wade
[20:36] <NCommander> I just fired a #ifdef hack into the package to work around it
[20:36] <Nightrose> rofl
[20:36] <Nightrose> Riddell: it is not Wade :P
[20:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: hm, that is not very much, is it? :P
[20:36] <NCommander> And left a rant about how glibc's developers need to learn the meaning of "STABLE API"
[20:36] <Nightrose> I can asure you
[20:36] <apachelogger> NCommander: you are the awesomest
[20:36] <Nightrose> Riddell: though you might have had the pleasure to talk to him
[20:36] <Nightrose> I dunno
[20:36] <apachelogger> well, 2nd awesomest right after me
[20:36] <Riddell> I even resorted to twitter, it didn't tell me but surprisingly Nightrose did enjoy the new X-Files film
[20:37] <Nightrose> hehe
[20:37] <apachelogger> oh
[20:37] <apachelogger> now that is a trace
[20:37] <apachelogger> :P
[20:37]  * apachelogger reboots
[20:37] <Nightrose> Riddell: you didn't like it?
[20:37] <Riddell> Nightrose: dunno, seemed like an average tv episode
[20:37] <NCommander> apachelogger, forget that, it failed ot build still
[20:37] <Nightrose> Riddell: and since it was a date I very much enjoyed of course I loved the movie
[20:37] <seele> Riddell: youre on twitter?
[20:37] <Nightrose> ;-)
[20:37] <Riddell> seele: no, just looked at it for the first time
[20:38] <seele> ah, hehe
[20:38] <NCommander> Oh, no, wait, I'm still just an idiot :-)
[20:38] <apachelogger> hm
[20:38] <apachelogger> I know that feeling
[20:38] <NCommander> apachelogger, I missed a fnctl.h, but its an easy enough fix
[20:38] <apachelogger> Nightrose: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/gnome/snapshot0
[20:39] <apachelogger> Nightrose: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/gnome/snapshot03.png
[20:39] <apachelogger> even
[20:39] <NCommander> apachelogger, be back in 5-10
[20:39] <Nightrose> apachelogger: ewwwww
[20:39] <Nightrose> ;-)
[20:40] <apachelogger> you need to work on the style
[20:40] <Riddell> smarter: kvkbd working here
[20:40] <apachelogger> it doesn't render very well in gtk
[20:40] <Riddell> smarter: no icon in the menu
[20:40] <smarter> Riddell: yep, I need to update the desktop file
[20:40] <smarter> thanks for reminding me of that ;)
[20:41] <Riddell> smarter: does it adapt to your local keyboard?
[20:41] <smarter> Riddell: yes
[20:41] <smarter> Riddell: try setxkbmap fr oss
[20:41] <smarter> or something else
[20:41] <Riddell> smarter: I'm scared that'll make my cursor keys stop working..
[20:41] <smarter> cursor keys are the same on French keyboard ;)
[20:41]  * Riddell wonders who this Michael Casadevall chap is
[20:46] <apachelogger> wooohooo
[20:46] <apachelogger> landscape commercial on my prompt!
[20:46] <apachelogger>  \o/
[20:47] <Riddell> you're using landscape?
[20:49] <smarter> Riddell: the only stuff missing from Kvkbd is integration with kdm, but that seems to be a kdm4 problem, it doesn't allow apps to be displayed above the greeter
[20:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: no, but apparently a bunch of landscape stuff got installed
[20:51] <apachelogger> which is now eating my RAM and doing advertisment on the tty intro message
[20:51] <Riddell> it'll be spying on you too
[20:52] <apachelogger> me@apoc { ~ }$ sudo apt-get purge landscape*
[20:52] <apachelogger> :P
[20:52] <Riddell> the guys in montreal will be messing with your machine if you annoy them :)
[20:52] <apachelogger> hm
[20:52] <jjesse> apachelogger: you now run landscape?
[20:52] <apachelogger> not anymore
[20:53] <apachelogger> also.... with every upgrade intrepid is falling apart more
[20:53] <apachelogger> now I have us keyboard layout
[20:53] <apachelogger> and couple of keys don't do anything
[20:53] <JontheEchidna> k-d-s's fault?
[20:53] <Riddell> I have that too
[20:53] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: unlikely
[20:53] <Riddell> shouldn't be
[20:53] <jjesse> but that's because us is the best :)
[20:53] <Riddell> if you change the keyboard it breaks cursor keys
[20:54] <Riddell> jjesse: I keep typing at signs for quotes, what a silly layout
[20:54] <katcita> I get this when trying to start kde4.1 http://pastie.org/private/lg3jxkpocvwhawooh0g any idea what's wrong?
[20:54] <jjesse> lol
[20:54] <JontheEchidna> Oh, the latest change was gtk-qt-engine related
[20:54] <JontheEchidna> yay
[20:55] <apachelogger> huh
[20:55] <apachelogger> katcita: that is one communicative kded you got there
[20:55] <apachelogger> katcita: hardy or intrepid?
[20:55] <katcita> apachelogger: intrepid
[20:55] <jjesse> wow suse enterprise server is expensive
[20:55] <jjesse> for one year $350 USD
[20:56] <apachelogger> jjesse: is RHLES cheaper?
[20:56] <jjesse> don't know
[20:56] <apachelogger> katcita: there is no real error
[20:57] <apachelogger> jjesse: or... expensive compared to what?
[20:57] <Riddell> katcita: kubuntu packages?
[20:57] <jjesse> apachelogger: to learn
[20:57] <katcita> Riddell: yes I did apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:57] <NCommander> jjesse, that's for support, right?
[20:58] <jjesse> patches/updates
[20:58] <Riddell> katcita: from hardy?
[20:58] <jjesse> apachelogger: same cost
[20:58] <jjesse> for rhel and sles
[20:58] <katcita> Riddell: yes from hardy
[20:58] <Riddell> kdeinit4: preparing to launch /bin/kded4  kded really shouldn't be in /bin
[20:58] <apachelogger> jjesse: that must be the high quality
[20:58] <Riddell> katcita: do you have  /bin/kded4  ?
[20:59] <katcita> Riddell: yes I have it
[20:59]  * apachelogger is wondering how it got there
[21:00] <katcita> it's because I use kde4 since 7.04 or something so my install must be nasty
[21:00] <apachelogger> katcita: that would only end up there if you compield KDE 4 yourself once
[21:01] <apachelogger> we did never have it in / and even if we had, package updates would have removed it again
[21:02] <apachelogger> emunkki: ping
[21:02] <katcita> # /bin/kded4 -v
[21:02] <katcita> Qt: 4.4.1
[21:02] <katcita> KDE: 4.00.62 (KDE 4.0.62 >= 20080213)
[21:02] <apachelogger> Oo
[21:02] <apachelogger> omg
[21:02] <JontheEchidna> whoa
[21:02] <smarter> oh my
[21:03] <Riddell> katcita: dpkg -S kded4  ?
[21:03]  * JontheEchidna watches as every kubuntero passes out
[21:04] <katcita>  dpkg -S kded4
[21:04] <katcita> kdelibs-bin: /usr/bin/kded4
[21:04] <katcita> amarok-nightly-kdelibs: /opt/amarok-nightly/bin/kded4
[21:04] <katcita> amarok-nightly-kdelibs: /opt/amarok-nightly/lib/libkdeinit4_kded4.so
[21:04] <katcita> kdelibs-bin: /usr/lib/libkdeinit4_kded4.so
[21:04] <katcita> it's trying to use amarok-nightly kdelibs I guess
[21:05] <Riddell> but that's not in /bin
[21:05] <Riddell> also amarok nightly isn't that old
[21:05] <Riddell> something is horribly broken and I'm afraid I've no idea what
[21:06]  * apachelogger thinks that is a source installation left over
[21:06] <katcita> ok, thanks anyway
[21:07] <katcita> Riddell: re-installing from alpha5 CD should be safe(r) right?
[21:07] <apachelogger> katcita: IMHO the only productive solution is to reinstall
[21:07] <apachelogger> otherwise you would have to go through /* and check for unwanted kde files
[21:07] <Riddell> katcita: yes
[21:07] <katcita> ok thanks
[21:07] <apachelogger> emunkki: the dude's script is not exactly what I had in mind
[21:07]  * apachelogger likes runtime solutions :P
[21:08] <NCommander> /usr/include/asm-generic/fcntl.h:143: error: 'loff_t' does not name a type
[21:08] <apachelogger> NCommander: another one?
[21:08] <emunkki> apachelogger, aha.
[21:08] <NCommander> /usr/include/asm-generic/fcntl.h:144: error: 'loff_t' does not name a type
[21:08] <NCommander> ARGH!
[21:08] <apachelogger> ok, lets never touch kdelibs again
[21:08] <apachelogger> _NEVER_
[21:08]  * emunkki pokes kdelibs
[21:08] <apachelogger> emunkki: did you get his stuff?
[21:08] <emunkki> no?
[21:09] <apachelogger> I'll fwd, considering kaddressbook knows your email address :P
[21:09] <emunkki> pasi@getamarok.com
[21:09] <apachelogger> I sent it to somewhere lese
[21:10] <Tm_T> emunkki: hi son
[21:10] <emunkki> hello dad
[21:10] <emunkki> apachelogger, oh?
[21:10] <apachelogger> I'm not using this e-mail actively anymore.
[21:10] <apachelogger> lol
[21:10] <emunkki> aha ok
[21:10] <emunkki> well i got it
[21:10] <emunkki> :P
[21:10] <emunkki> anyway
[21:11] <emunkki> apachelogger, so what should I do for those?
[21:11] <apachelogger> emonkey: nothing, just wanted to show you
[21:11] <apachelogger> besides, I like ours better :P
[21:11] <emonkey> apachelogger, bad highlighter
[21:11] <NCommander> apachelogger, side affect from my fix :-/
[21:12] <apachelogger> meh
[21:12] <apachelogger> brb
[21:16] <JackWinter> sorry to intrude, but i've been looking for a long time now.  i have a problem with kded. kde sys gueard shows it as being the most cpu consuming process.  this is on kubuntu hardy.  the command racing is kded [kdeinit] --new-startup.  i have no usb equipment powered up.  any ideas ?
[21:19] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: bug 268294 failed to retrace too
[21:20] <emonkey> apachelogger, btw vongrats to the beta2 hero :P
[21:20] <emonkey> s/von/con/
[21:21] <JontheEchidna> JackWinter: possibly could be bug 260676?
[21:23] <JackWinter> JontheEchidna: i have no probs with kwallet
[21:23] <NCommander> apachelogger, ok, I think I got it fixed
[21:23] <NCommander> apachelogger, did it FTBFS on Sparc or PowerPC?
[21:25] <JackWinter> doesn't use up 100% but eats an extra 20% on my q6600.
[21:29] <NCommander> apachelogger, my mind is going boom
[21:29] <NCommander> I might be forced to do something ugly
[21:29] <NCommander> And turn off a Linux specific optimization
[21:32] <apachelogger> emonkey: beta2?
[21:32] <emonkey> didn't read monrfalls blog?
[21:32] <emonkey> about adept3 beta 2
[21:33] <apachelogger> not much time for blog reading these days ;-)
[21:33] <emonkey> apachelogger, http://web.mornfall.net/blog/adept_3.0_beta_2.html
[21:33] <apachelogger> oh
[21:33] <apachelogger> I am intarwebs famous :D
[21:34] <apachelogger> NCommander: as long as it works, there are only a couple of applications using the old kdelibs anyway
[21:34] <NCommander> apachelogger, ok, turning it off
[21:35] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I think retracing mostly fails when it tries to trace the wrong application
[21:35] <apachelogger> that kwin crash most likely happened in x/nvidia
[21:36] <JontheEchidna> that would probably explain it
[21:37] <apachelogger> oh, I crashed amarok
[21:37] <apachelogger> :(
[21:37] <JontheEchidna> "we are terribly sorry..."
[21:38] <apachelogger> uhm
[21:38] <apachelogger> my arrow keys aren't working either
[21:38] <apachelogger> now that is an annoying regression
[21:38] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/gnome/snapshot05.png
[21:39] <apachelogger> I should ahve become a gnome dood
[21:39] <apachelogger> Nightrose: http://paste.ubuntu.com/45025/
[21:40] <NCommander> apachelogger, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glibc/+bug/268311
[21:41] <Riddell> mornfall: hmm, I'm trying to add software-properties-kde launching to adept but the KProcess doesn't even acknowledge that the subprocess has started never mind when it finishes, any ideas why?
[21:41] <Riddell> http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/manager.h
[21:41] <seele> did we figure out a time for the new meeting?  the email i sent out should probably be recinded
[21:43] <apachelogger> seele: fri 11am UTC
[21:43] <apachelogger> oh
[21:43] <apachelogger> seele: actually 23 UTC
[21:43] <apachelogger> ah
[21:43] <apachelogger> rofl
[21:43] <apachelogger> [22:21:39] <Robbinwilliam> u there?
[21:43] <apachelogger> [22:39:57] <apachelogger> yus, hi
[21:43] <apachelogger> [22:43:30] <Robbinwilliam> hey...can u help me out on apache??
[21:44] <apachelogger> awesome
[21:44] <seele> hehe
[21:45] <apachelogger> seele: that is thu 23 UTC
[21:45] <seele> ARGH
[21:45] <seele> YOU send a correction then
[21:46] <apachelogger> I send a correction and blame doodle for talking to me in CEST
[21:47] <goatsocks> Riddell: i am discovering that the current kde python bindings are screwy
[21:48] <smarter> apachelogger: wow, now the gnome people must make sure gnome apps have the same level of integration into kde ;)
[21:49] <smarter> Riddell: maybe you could use --nofork?
[21:50] <apachelogger> that keyboard breakage is no fun at all -.-
[21:51] <smarter> apachelogger: have you used the Qt GTK theme engine for Qt 4.5 to achieve this?
[21:52] <apachelogger> qt 4.4
[21:52] <apachelogger> my original idea was to get it into intrepid, then ship a package similar to kubuntu-default-settings, ensuring colors and icons are correct
[21:52] <apachelogger> I kind of put that on hold
[21:52] <smarter> that should be much easier with Qt 4.5
[21:53] <apachelogger> nope
[21:53] <apachelogger> smarter: there is no difference, the thing in 4.5 is just the 4.4 thing in the official trunk :P
[21:54] <smarter> oh, ok
[21:56] <Riddell> smarter: software-properties doesn't fork
[22:02] <NCommander> apachelogger, now I have a FTBFS in dnssd part
[22:02] <Nightrose> seele: apachelogger: topic should probably be adjusted
[22:03] <Nightrose> and wiki
[22:04] <Nightrose> ...
[22:04]  * Nightrose gives apachelogger a cookie
[22:05] <apachelogger> ßo/
[22:05] <apachelogger> hm
[22:05]  * apachelogger can't make backslashes anymore
[22:05] <NCommander> apachelogger, did you have any issues building kdelibs?
[22:05] <apachelogger> ♥ intrepid
[22:05] <apachelogger> NCommander: not when I last built it
[22:05] <apachelogger> that was on i386 though
[22:06] <apachelogger> Nightrose: do yo have paul's 6mb graphic?
[22:06] <apachelogger> that looks pretty pretty
[22:06] <NCommander> apachelogger, when was that?
[22:06] <Nightrose> apachelogger: not yet - hope to get it soonish
[22:06] <NCommander> (it appears there maybe a new FTBFS in it)
[22:06] <apachelogger> Nightrose: poke when you have it :)
[22:06] <NCommander> apachelogger, can you build kdelibs 3.5.10 and see if it builds cleanly on the current intrepid?
[22:06] <Nightrose> apachelogger: will do :)
[22:07] <apachelogger> NCommander: that was saturday
[22:09] <NCommander> apachelogger, argh
[22:14] <apachelogger> NCommander: pbuild started, please add yourself to the candidates table on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings ... and update the meeting day while you are at it ;-)
[22:28] <apachelogger> Riddell, JontheEchidna: btw, what is your opinion about kubuntu-bugs?
[22:30] <NCommander> We don't package SVN snapshots, right?
[22:31] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I like it
[22:32] <NCommander> When is the next meeting?
[22:32] <apachelogger> topic
[22:33] <NCommander> ah
[22:33]  * NCommander works out what time 23 UTC is
[22:34] <NCommander> so 19:00 EST?
[22:34] <apachelogger> we have a link for that at the wiki page
[22:34] <apachelogger> shuld be 19 though, yes
[22:35] <NCommander> apachelogger, wiki edited
[22:35] <NCommander> apachelogger, how goes that build?
[22:36] <apachelogger> *** Creating apidox in kdesu
[22:36] <Riddell> apachelogger: what would be the difference?
[22:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: bug 268308 wont fix?
[22:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: a) kubuntu-team is a dead team b) I have no clue how to get the subscription stuff working again
[22:38] <apachelogger> c) kubuntu-team would be misnamed anyway ;-)
[22:38] <NCommander> What's broken?
[22:39] <apachelogger> NCommander: where?
[22:39] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes, won't fix
[22:39] <NCommander> apachelogger, the subscription
[22:39] <NCommander> What's broken what what speciifcally
[22:40] <NCommander> apachelogger, this appears to be an issue with libavahi
[22:41] <apachelogger> NCommander: I can't subscribe kubuntu-team to new products
[22:41] <apachelogger> might very well be that only Riddell as admin can
[22:41] <NCommander> Only admins can
[22:41] <NCommander> But isn't kubuntu-team dead?
[22:41] <NCommander> (despite having a nice icon
[22:42] <apachelogger> I said that :P
[22:42] <apachelogger> oh
[22:42] <apachelogger> ah
[22:43] <apachelogger> -.-
[22:43] <apachelogger> I built kdelibs with -j5
[22:43] <NCommander> apachelogger, FTBFS?
[22:43]  * apachelogger changes his pbuilderrc and rebuilds
[22:43] <NCommander> lol
[22:43] <apachelogger> NCommander: yeah, kdelibs doesn't do multiple jobs anymore
[22:43] <apachelogger> looking at debian/patches you know why
[22:44] <NCommander> apachelogger, make sure you do pbuilder update first
[22:44] <NCommander> brb
[22:44] <apachelogger> I did. Besides, I have a hook for that :P
[22:50] <apachelogger> hooray, my keyboard works again \o/
[22:50] <apachelogger> ♥ keyboards
[22:58] <goatsocks> ScottK: any eric 4.2.1 packages floating around yet?
[23:01] <apachelogger> oh
[23:01] <apachelogger> my
[23:01] <apachelogger> cpu
[23:01] <apachelogger> 1 → 75 of 206 results
[23:01] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I guess kdepim needs love
[23:01] <apachelogger> a lot of it
[23:02] <JontheEchidna> heh
[23:02] <JontheEchidna> adept is down to 75 bugs
[23:03]  * apachelogger doesn't even know where to start
[23:04] <JontheEchidna> whoa, it even has old dapper SRU bugs
[23:04] <JontheEchidna> dapper is dead, right?
[23:04] <apachelogger> not yet I think
[23:05] <JontheEchidna> meh
[23:05] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu#Release_history
[23:09] <NCommander> apachelogger, well?
[23:09] <apachelogger> building java
[23:09] <apachelogger> ecma now
[23:09] <NCommander> Riddell, mind SRUing my fix for kdelibs on lpia?
[23:10] <NCommander> apachelogger, this is going to be anonying to fix, it looks like avihci has issues ATM on amd64
[23:10] <Riddell> NCommander: could do
[23:11] <NCommander> Riddell, sweet. kde now builds on lpia :-)
[23:11] <apachelogger> Intrepid Ibex - Broken it is!
[23:11] <NCommander> apachelogger, I've been doing my best to unbreak it
[23:13] <apachelogger> All we can do.
[23:19]  * NCommander hates linux at times
[23:21] <NCommander> apachelogger, well, I found an easy watch to disable inotify which clears one of the FTBFS issues
[23:22] <apachelogger> oh
[23:22] <apachelogger> my
[23:22] <apachelogger> cpu
[23:22] <apachelogger> this is bloody awfuly
[23:22] <apachelogger> /usr/bin/mandb: can't write to /var/cache/man/ru/24214: No space left on device
[23:22] <apachelogger> -.-
[23:23] <Riddell> NCommander: where do I find this SRU?
[23:24] <NCommander> Riddell, sorry, that was kdenetwork, not kdelibs
[23:24]  * NCommander has a brainfart :-)
[23:24] <NCommander> Riddell, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork/+bug/267991
[23:26] <Riddell> NCommander: mmm, looks complex
[23:27] <Riddell> NCommander: this doesn't affect build on other arches presumably?
[23:27] <NCommander> Riddell, builds file on i386/amd64. Can't say for the other ports
[23:27] <NCommander> (its in my PPA as a test build)
[23:27] <NCommander> *fine
[23:27] <Riddell> hay, Casadevall, that's the chap who wanted to be friends with me on facebook earlier!
[23:27]  * NCommander falls over
[23:28] <NCommander> You upload my patchs, you should know my real name
[23:28] <Riddell> trouble with facebook is it means I have to decide if I want to be friends with my sister in law
[23:29] <katcita> apachelogger: still there?
[23:29] <apachelogger> yus
[23:29] <NCommander> rofl
[23:30] <katcita> nah, Im fine sorry
[23:30]  * NCommander is going blind it seems
[23:35]  * NCommander is surprised how few packages there are in the partner repo, and that they are all closed source
[23:37] <Riddell> devfil: about?
[23:38] <devfil> Riddell: ?
[23:38] <devfil> what?
[23:38] <Riddell> devfil: the patch attached to bug 230027 is different from the one uploaded
[23:38]  * NCommander managed to make this failure pass with no source changes
[23:38] <NCommander> Go autoconf magic GO!
[23:38] <devfil> Riddell: ah, you scared me!
[23:39] <Riddell> devfil: gosh, what were you expecting?
[23:39] <devfil> Riddell: I've applied another patch that only fix the problem
[23:39] <devfil> the patch attached at the debdiff also adds feature if I've understood right
[23:40] <Riddell> devfil: then the new one needs to go on the bug report and get approved by whoever it is approves these things
[23:40] <devfil> Riddell: if I'm not wrong motu-sru decides only if the bug is in hardy and is a backport or not
[23:41] <apachelogger> tip of the day: tom jones' is very usable triage music
[23:41]  * NCommander thinks he fixed kdelibs
[23:42] <devfil> Riddell: for example: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/ikiwiki/+bug/205811
[23:42] <devfil> so motu-sru only decides if the fix is needed
[23:43] <NCommander> devfil, they also move from -proposed to -updates
[23:43] <devfil> NCommander: ... I don't think, archive admin move a package from proposed to updates if I'm right
[23:44]  * NCommander asks the resident archive admin
[23:44] <Riddell> we do yes
[23:44]  * NCommander appears to have cleared the FTBFS
[23:45] <JontheEchidna> uh
[23:45] <JontheEchidna> how did kdegames 4.1.1 build?
[23:45] <JontheEchidna> cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp//usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/en/ksudoku/common': No such file or directory
[23:45] <NCommander> JontheEchidna, link?
[23:45] <NCommander> JontheEchidna, who was the uploader?
[23:46] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger uploaded, and it built on all archs
[23:46] <JontheEchidna> but it won't on my computer :(
[23:47] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: are you sure that you are building in an intrepid pbuilder?
[23:47] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: using debuild
[23:48] <apachelogger> oh, then your system is broken :P
[23:49] <devfil> JontheEchidna: try with pbuilder login
[23:50] <NCommander> w00t
[23:50] <NCommander> \o/
[23:50] <NCommander> kdelibs builds now on amd64
[23:51] <apachelogger> NCommander: upload, I think I can compile it now :P
[23:51] <NCommander> apachelogger, I'm not an MOTU/core-dev ;-)
[23:52] <NCommander> Woo, it does build (it just finished making debs)
[23:52] <apachelogger> NCommander: I mean upload $somewhere
[23:52] <NCommander> On its way to my PPA in a sec
[23:52] <apachelogger> to $somewhere actually
[23:52] <katcita> apachelogger: the install of intrepid went fine but it doesn't mount /home and when I try to mount /home it says /dev/sda3 already mounted or /home busy, yet 'mount' doesnt list /home as mounted
[23:52] <apachelogger> NCommander: well, the ppa can build it then :P
[23:52] <katcita> any idea?
[23:52] <NCommander> apachelogger, on amd64?
[23:52] <apachelogger> i386
[23:53] <NCommander> apachelogger, oh, I'm waiting for the amd64 to fully finish, its running the debhelper magic
[23:53] <apachelogger> katcita: #kubuntu for usual supprot please
[23:56] <NCommander> apachelogger, its in my PPA
[23:58] <mhb> good afternoon to our American friends, morning to all Austrians awake around 01:00 in the morning
[23:58] <Riddell> those crazy Austrians
[23:59] <Riddell> NCommander: nothing here https://edge.launchpad.net/~sonicmctails/+archive/+index?field.name_filter=kde&field.status_filter=any