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| jml | hi | 03:00 |
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| barry_ | hi | 03:00 |
| barry_ | #startmeeting | 03:00 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 21:00. The chair is barry_. | 03:00 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 03:00 |
| barry_ | yay mootbot! | 03:00 |
| thumper | hi | 03:01 |
| barry_ | hello everybody and welcome to this week's asiapac reviewers meeting. who's here today? | 03:01 |
| thumper | I have the laptop in the kitchen :) | 03:01 |
| jml | present and accounted for! | 03:01 |
| mwhudson | hi | 03:01 |
| * barry_ uses his laptop in front of the political shows :) | 03:02 | |
| barry_ | == Agenda == | 03:02 |
| barry_ | * Roll call | 03:02 |
| barry_ | * Next meeting | 03:02 |
| barry_ | * Action items | 03:02 |
| barry_ | * Queue status | 03:02 |
| barry_ | * Mentoring update | 03:02 |
| barry_ | * Review process | 03:02 |
| barry_ | [TOPIC] next meeting | 03:02 |
| MootBot | New Topic: next meeting | 03:02 |
| barry_ | week += 1? | 03:02 |
| thumper | ya | 03:02 |
| barry_ | cool | 03:02 |
| mwhudson | yeah | 03:03 |
| barry_ | [TOPIC] action items | 03:03 |
| MootBot | New Topic: action items | 03:03 |
| barry_ | i have none from last week | 03:03 |
| barry_ | [TOPIC] queue status | 03:03 |
| MootBot | New Topic: queue status | 03:03 |
| barry_ | doesn't look to bad to me. any comments from y'all? | 03:04 |
| mwhudson | i haven't looked at the queue in weeks :) | 03:04 |
| barry_ | :) | 03:04 |
| * barry_ skips mentoring update | 03:05 | |
| barry_ | [TOPIC] review process | 03:05 |
| MootBot | New Topic: review process | 03:05 |
| jml | I'm all in favour of having one. | 03:05 |
| barry_ | we had a long discussion about pre-impl calls at the ameu meeting | 03:06 |
| barry_ | cprov and i need to email the list about it, but briefly: | 03:06 |
| barry_ | we'd like to include some new sections, such as the q/a plan, and an extended demo section | 03:06 |
| barry_ | (the latter which might go in a user story) | 03:07 |
| jml | new sections in the cover letter? | 03:07 |
| barry_ | jml: probably for the q/a plan. Rinchen will love that | 03:07 |
| barry_ | i'm not convinced the demo section shouldn't go in a user story doctest | 03:08 |
| barry_ | but we'll take the discussion to the ml | 03:08 |
| mwhudson | barry_: as in, part of the branch? | 03:08 |
| barry_ | mwhudson: yep | 03:08 |
| mwhudson | barry_: user stories are slow and fragile as a rule | 03:08 |
| jml | barry_: ok. | 03:08 |
| mwhudson | barry_: we want less slowness and less fragility in our tests, not more | 03:08 |
| barry_ | mwhudson: the way we do them, yes <wink> | 03:08 |
| barry_ | we want to move a lot of what is currently going in pagetests into faster view tests | 03:09 |
| barry_ | but those aren't user stories | 03:09 |
| mwhudson | ok, then they're not stories :) | 03:09 |
| barry_ | bingo | 03:09 |
| * thumper waits for the definition of a user story | 03:09 | |
| mwhudson | anyway, i'll save this for the list discussion | 03:09 |
| jml | also, although I'm not sure it's relevant for these items, we should be aiming for faster turn-around of branches, and more paperwork can work against this. | 03:09 |
| barry_ | thumper: the way i think about it is almost exactly like an extended demo section. usually one url doesn't cut it | 03:09 |
| thumper | I tend to use more than one url when needed | 03:10 |
| barry_ | jml: i'm very keen on your thoughts about that. both kiko and i feel there's too much overhead in our process | 03:10 |
| barry_ | especially for some types of branches | 03:10 |
| mwhudson | part of this seems like it could be summarised by saying "make sure you and your reviewer both understand the intent of the branch" | 03:10 |
| barry_ | hence, kiko's push for post-landing reviews | 03:10 |
| barry_ | mwhudson: yep | 03:11 |
| * jml isn't so sure about that one :) | 03:11 | |
| * barry_ isn't either | 03:11 | |
| * mwhudson is fairly sure about that one | 03:11 | |
| jml | but I'll think about it. | 03:11 |
| jml | mwhudson: heh | 03:11 |
| barry_ | but i understand /why/ kiko is thinking about them | 03:11 |
| jml | me too | 03:11 |
| jml | I think the first thing we should do is get more lean-style metrics | 03:11 |
| barry_ | jml: what kind of metrics would you find helpful? | 03:12 |
| jml | barry_: for branches, time from creation to review submit, time from review submit to review response, time from final response to landing etc. | 03:13 |
| jml | barry_: things along the lines of the percentage value adding stuff that the Poppen*s got us to do. | 03:13 |
| * barry_ nods | 03:14 | |
| jml | a lot of the info is already there in Launchpad, and we'll only get more as we dogfood. | 03:15 |
| jml | anyway, this is probably another discussion. | 03:15 |
| barry_ | yep | 03:15 |
| barry_ | that's really all i have. let me open up the floor to you guys. anything you want to bring up? | 03:16 |
| * mwhudson can't think of anything | 03:16 | |
| thumper | I don't really have anything either | 03:16 |
| thumper | abentley is working towards review diffs | 03:16 |
| barry_ | i hope you guys still find these meetings helpful ;) | 03:16 |
| barry_ | thumper: rock | 03:16 |
| jml | barry_: I do. | 03:17 |
| barry_ | jml: excellent | 03:17 |
| thumper | I think it is important to have someone that is able to sync the two review groups | 03:17 |
| thumper | barry_: so, are you still thinking of shifting to AU/NZ? | 03:17 |
| barry_ | we'll see on november 4th :) | 03:18 |
| mwhudson | oh right, since my flight change i won | 03:18 |
| thumper | I see the republicans are 4 points ahead in the polls (so says my local paper) | 03:18 |
| mwhudson | t actually be in the us on the 2nd | 03:18 |
| * barry_ feels ill | 03:18 | |
| barry_ | mwhudson: that'll be fun | 03:19 |
| thumper | barry_: I take it you are barraking for the democrates then? | 03:19 |
| mwhudson | emma will be though | 03:19 |
| barry_ | i'm an independent, but yeah i don't think grampa simpson is the best thing for us | 03:19 |
| barry_ | annnyyywayyy. thanks everybody! | 03:20 |
| thumper | thanks barry_ | 03:20 |
| barry_ | #endmeeting | 03:20 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 21:20. | 03:20 |
| barry_ | have a good day everybody | 03:20 |
| mwhudson | you too barry_ | 03:20 |
| jml | cya | 03:21 |
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