[03:00] <jml> hi
[03:00] <barry_> hi
[03:00] <barry_> #startmeeting
[03:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 21:00. The chair is barry_.
[03:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[03:00] <barry_> yay mootbot!
[03:01] <thumper> hi
[03:01] <barry_> hello everybody and welcome to this week's asiapac reviewers meeting.  who's here today?
[03:01] <thumper> I have the laptop in the kitchen :)
[03:01] <jml> present and accounted for!
[03:01] <mwhudson> hi
[03:02]  * barry_ uses his laptop in front of the political shows :)
[03:02] <barry_> == Agenda ==
[03:02] <barry_>  * Roll call
[03:02] <barry_>  * Next meeting
[03:02] <barry_>  * Action items
[03:02] <barry_>  * Queue status
[03:02] <barry_>  * Mentoring update
[03:02] <barry_>  * Review process
[03:02] <barry_> [TOPIC] next meeting
[03:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  next meeting
[03:02] <barry_> week += 1?
[03:02] <thumper> ya
[03:02] <barry_> cool
[03:03] <mwhudson> yeah
[03:03] <barry_> [TOPIC] action items
[03:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  action items
[03:03] <barry_> i have none from last week
[03:03] <barry_> [TOPIC] queue status
[03:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  queue status
[03:04] <barry_> doesn't look to bad to me.  any comments from y'all?
[03:04] <mwhudson> i haven't looked at the queue in weeks :)
[03:04] <barry_> :)
[03:05]  * barry_ skips mentoring update
[03:05] <barry_> [TOPIC] review process
[03:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  review process
[03:05] <jml> I'm all in favour of having one.
[03:06] <barry_> we had a long discussion about pre-impl calls at the ameu meeting
[03:06] <barry_> cprov and i need to email the list about it, but briefly:
[03:06] <barry_> we'd like to include some new sections, such as the q/a plan, and an extended demo section
[03:07] <barry_> (the latter which might go in a user story)
[03:07] <jml> new sections in the cover letter?
[03:07] <barry_> jml: probably for the q/a plan.  Rinchen will love that
[03:08] <barry_> i'm not convinced the demo section shouldn't go in a user story doctest
[03:08] <barry_> but we'll take the discussion to the ml
[03:08] <mwhudson> barry_: as in, part of the branch?
[03:08] <barry_> mwhudson: yep
[03:08] <mwhudson> barry_: user stories are slow and fragile as a rule
[03:08] <jml> barry_: ok.
[03:08] <mwhudson> barry_: we want less slowness and less fragility in our tests, not more
[03:08] <barry_> mwhudson: the way we do them, yes <wink>
[03:09] <barry_> we want to move a lot of what is currently going in pagetests into faster view tests
[03:09] <barry_> but those aren't user stories
[03:09] <mwhudson> ok, then they're not stories :)
[03:09] <barry_> bingo
[03:09]  * thumper waits for the definition of a user story
[03:09] <mwhudson> anyway, i'll save this for the list discussion
[03:09] <jml> also, although I'm not sure it's relevant for these items, we should be aiming for faster turn-around of branches, and more paperwork can work against this.
[03:09] <barry_> thumper: the way i think about it is almost exactly like an extended demo section.  usually one url doesn't cut it
[03:10] <thumper> I tend to use more than one url when needed
[03:10] <barry_> jml: i'm very keen on your thoughts about that.  both kiko and i feel there's too much overhead in our process
[03:10] <barry_> especially for some types of branches
[03:10] <mwhudson> part of this seems like it could be summarised by saying "make sure you and your reviewer both understand the intent of the branch"
[03:10] <barry_> hence, kiko's push for post-landing reviews
[03:11] <barry_> mwhudson: yep
[03:11]  * jml isn't so sure about that one :)
[03:11]  * barry_ isn't either
[03:11]  * mwhudson is fairly sure about that one
[03:11] <jml> but I'll think about it.
[03:11] <jml> mwhudson: heh
[03:11] <barry_> but i understand /why/ kiko is thinking about them
[03:11] <jml> me too
[03:11] <jml> I think the first thing we should do is get more lean-style metrics
[03:12] <barry_> jml: what kind of metrics would you find helpful?
[03:13] <jml> barry_: for branches, time from creation to review submit, time from review submit to review response, time from final response to landing etc.
[03:13] <jml> barry_: things along the lines of the percentage value adding stuff that the Poppen*s got us to do.
[03:14]  * barry_ nods
[03:15] <jml> a lot of the info is already there in Launchpad, and we'll only get more as we dogfood.
[03:15] <jml> anyway, this is probably another discussion.
[03:15] <barry_> yep
[03:16] <barry_> that's really all i have.  let me open up the floor to you guys.  anything you want to bring up?
[03:16]  * mwhudson can't think of anything
[03:16] <thumper> I don't really have anything either
[03:16] <thumper> abentley is working towards review diffs
[03:16] <barry_> i hope you guys still find these meetings helpful ;)
[03:16] <barry_> thumper: rock
[03:17] <jml> barry_: I do.
[03:17] <barry_> jml: excellent
[03:17] <thumper> I think it is important to have someone that is able to sync the two review groups
[03:17] <thumper> barry_: so, are you still thinking of shifting to AU/NZ?
[03:18] <barry_> we'll see on november 4th :)
[03:18] <mwhudson> oh right, since my flight change i won
[03:18] <thumper> I see the republicans are 4 points ahead in the polls (so says my local paper)
[03:18] <mwhudson> t actually be in the us on the 2nd
[03:18]  * barry_ feels ill
[03:19] <barry_> mwhudson: that'll be fun
[03:19] <thumper> barry_: I take it you are barraking for the democrates then?
[03:19] <mwhudson> emma will be though
[03:19] <barry_> i'm an independent, but yeah i don't think grampa simpson is the best thing for us
[03:20] <barry_> annnyyywayyy.  thanks everybody!
[03:20] <thumper> thanks barry_
[03:20] <barry_> #endmeeting
[03:20] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 21:20.
[03:20] <barry_> have a good day everybody
[03:20] <mwhudson> you too barry_
[03:21] <jml> cya