[00:00] <milos_> bsnider, yeah
[00:04] <milos_> bsnider, RAOF WAIT i think i know where I was mistaking: linux-headers-2.6.27-2-generic wasn't installed
[00:05] <milos_> bsnider, thnx i didn't saw generic :(
[00:05] <milos_> i am going for another try
[00:10] <ScheissDrogen> You are already using ﻿Intrepid Ibex here ?
[00:11] <bsnider> ScheissDrogen, i know what you're going to ask. no, it isn't very stable
[00:12] <ScheissDrogen> will this be the name ? ﻿Intrepid Ibex  as  Hardy Heron ?? gnarf...
[00:14] <milosF> bsnider, RAOF works, thx you
[00:15] <bsnider> really? didn't think it qwould
[00:15] <RAOF> ScheissDrogen: No, the name will be Ubuntu 8.10, of course :)
[00:15] <milosF> bsnider, my bad
[00:16] <ScheissDrogen> RAOF: hmm, gutsy gibbon, hardy heron... there will be a name I guess
[00:16] <bsnider> who cares what the name is?
[00:16] <RAOF> The code name is indeed Intrepid Ibex.
[00:16] <bsnider> i don't care if they call it <expletive> <expletive>
[00:16] <bsnider> as long as it work
[00:17] <dupondje> whats the bugnumber of not possible to goto all sites ?
[00:19] <bsnider> i didn't copyt hat
[00:19] <bsnider> what's the question?
[00:22] <dupondje> I saw passing a bug of people not be able to visit all webpages ?
[00:23] <bsnider> there's a bug where fireforks crashes on fl ash sites
[01:05] <EagleSn> hello i am thinking in installing Intrepid, is hre too many problems with it now?
[01:05] <rski> dunno chek known problems EagleSn
[01:06] <EagleSn> where?
[01:06] <rski> the release notes
[01:06] <carandraug> EagleSn: like I was telling you at #ubuntu I did had a load of problems but only with my graph card and wireless adaptor. I also had to use Hardy kernel to solve them and make a small edit of my xorg
[01:06] <rski> or bugzilla
[01:06] <EagleSn> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing isn't?
[01:07] <EagleSn> i wont have problems with my graphics card or wifi
[01:07] <EagleSn> i havent wifi
[01:07] <literal> EagleSn: I had these problems:
[01:07] <literal> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/264019
[01:07] <EagleSn> and my card is well supported by open drivers
[01:07] <literal> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/267627
[01:07] <literal> but there are workarounds
[01:08] <EagleSn> carandraug i wil ltry only updating GNOME to intrepid version lol
[01:09] <carandraug> EagleSn: won't that trigger a lot of dependencies?
[01:09] <EagleSn> may be
[01:09] <EagleSn> i have no fear to apt
[01:09] <EagleSn> i am using Debian and Ubuntu since four years
[01:10] <carandraug> EagleSn: you'll probably have to end up updating a lot of stuff to get it. Also, in the xorg.conf I had to add the emulate3buttons manually. Somehow it went away
[01:10] <EagleSn> ok its time to do experiments
[01:11] <carandraug> EagleSn: good luck
[01:13] <EagleSn> i want to see if that option in Intrepid fixes my issue
[01:13] <EagleSn> i really hate it
[01:15] <carandraug> EagleSn: I find it strange. Despite the appearance of that option, my panels didn't use to move around even though I didn't use them on the standard place
[01:17] <EagleSn> may be i am going to break Gnome
[01:29] <EagleSn> Gnome panels continue swapping in Intrepid version and being locked
[01:31] <carandraug> EagleSn: wow! That was fast. Updating to intrepid took me almost 3 hours. Well, I have no idea what to do. Have you googled it? Someone may have tumbled upon the same issue
[01:31] <EagleSn> i dude it
[01:32] <EagleSn> i only have updated Gnome
[01:32] <EagleSn> now i have your Gnome panel version
[01:32] <carandraug> EagleSn: hmm, ok
[01:34] <EagleSn> the strange is that it only happens when i reboot, not if i logout session or if i restart X server
[01:40] <carandraug> EagleSn: I've found a thread about it on ubuntu forums (though he says the panels switch even he logs out) but no one solved it
[01:41] <EagleSn> i am investigating over it
[01:41] <EagleSn> i think the first pane lto be loaded is located at the bottom
[01:41] <bsnider> what do you mean the panels are swapping?
[01:42] <EagleSn> i think the first panel to be loaded is located at the bottom
[01:42] <EagleSn> they swap possition
[01:42] <bsnider> i'd certainly start by blowing away all gconf settings
[01:43] <bsnider> that's where that stuff is located
[01:43] <bsnider> it will delete all your user customizations, but you'll start with a fresh gnome desktop
[01:43] <carandraug> EagleSn: isn't your problem with the panels moving away from where you placed them? That's their problem http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=799626&highlight=panel+gnome
[01:43] <bsnider> in other words, the .gconfd directory in your home folder
[01:44] <carandraug> EagleSn: or you search for the option with gconf-editor before going everything to default. I've been looking for it but don't knew where it is
[01:45] <EagleSn> the panels swap ther possition when both are at the bottom of the screen
[01:46] <bsnider> both shouldn't be at the bottom of the screen to start with
[01:47] <EagleSn> i want ot have them at the bottom of the screen
[01:48] <bsnider> ok
[01:48] <bsnider> good luck with that
[01:49] <dupondje> I got 2 network cards
[01:49] <dupondje> 1 with DHCP, 1 with Static ip
[01:49] <carandraug> bsnider: why do you say that? Is it that hard? I never tried myself as I only use one panel on the top but I thought it should be possible
[01:49] <dupondje> and i'm getting 'No host to route'
[01:49] <dupondje> when trying to wget etc :(
[01:50] <dupondje> apt-get works btw :s
[01:51] <carandraug> EagleSn: if placing two bars in the same side of the monitor is that hard, maybe you should ask in ##Gnome
[01:52] <EagleSn> i was asking in Gnome
[03:08] <ripps> Everytime I try to install Intepid Ibex through "update-manager -d" I get an error at step 2 while calculating packages. How do I get past this?
[03:13] <ripps> Apparently it crashes when marking ubuntu-desktop for upgrade.
[03:23] <DanaG> That's odd... things keep getting OOM-killed.
[03:24] <DanaG> (out-of-memory).
[03:24] <DanaG> But I'm nowhere near full memory+swap usage.
[03:25] <DanaG> I have 2.5 gigs of RAM and 1 gig of swap.
[03:25] <DanaG> Oh, and my gnome panel keeps hanging on load.
[03:26] <danbhfive> sounds like bugs
[03:26] <ripps> Everytime I try to install Intepid Ibex through "update-manager -d" I get an error at step 2 while calculating packages. How do I get past this? Apparently it can't mark ubuntu-desktop for upgrade.
[03:27] <danbhfive> ripps: you know that intrepid is alpha, right?
[03:28] <ripps> Yes, I want to help with finding bugs
[03:29] <danbhfive> ripps: well, you just found one, ubuntu-desktop is broken  : )    I dunno, you can always use the command line if you want to upgrade.  But keep in mind, you should be prepared to have to reinstall, and lose everything on that partition.  I'm wary of helping you till you confirm that you grok that
[03:31] <ripps> danhbfive: Yes, this isn't the first time I've test pre-release ubuntu software. Should I just wait a couple days to see if it's fixed? I guess I should file a bug report, huh?
[03:31] <danbhfive> ripps: I suggest that you upgrade with the alternate cd, which can be found here, and also, there is other good info:http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/alpha5
[03:31] <danbhfive> ripps: how much harddisk space do you have?
[03:32] <IdleOne> are the repos down?
[03:32] <danbhfive> no
[03:33] <IdleOne> hmmm I am getting a error 400
[03:33] <ripps> danbhfive: 120gb
[03:33] <ripps> danbhfive: 90gb free
[03:33] <danbhfive> ripps: personally, I think you should make a separate partition, of like 10g, and do a clean install there
[03:33] <IdleOne> E: Method gave invalid 400 URI Failure message
[03:34] <danbhfive> IdleOne: whats the address of the repo?
[03:34] <ripps> Hmm... not a bad idea, but I'll have to find a blank cd to burn an iso on.
[03:34] <IdleOne> danbhfive: main server and also mit.edu is giving the same error
[03:35] <danbhfive> ripps: o yeah, I forget that Im using a rw cd.  It makes it easier, less wasteful
[03:35] <literal> IdleOne: are you having this problem? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/264019
[03:36] <IdleOne> I did not have any issues this morning
[03:36] <IdleOne> least nothing like that
[03:36] <danbhfive> IdleOne: my bad, Im running hardy atm.  I have tons! of trouble with networking and intrepid
[03:36] <literal> repos work fine here in intrepid
[03:38] <IdleOne> well this is very annoying
[03:38] <IdleOne> gui and cli give same errors. was hoping it was just a gui thing
[03:38] <danbhfive> have you tried firefox?
[03:39] <IdleOne> yes it is working
[03:40] <IdleOne> no issues with firefox
[03:50] <chronographer>  http://pastebin.com/m1c9b242b    i get this error compiling rt73 wireless drivers.. can anyone help?
[03:51] <IdleOne> can someone tell me what this error means E: Method gave invalid 400 URI Failure message?
[03:53] <IdleOne> glxinfo and libbonobo closed unexpectedly. when I try to report the bug I get a window that tells me they are not genuine ubuntu packages
[03:58] <bsnider> glxinfo cannot close because it is not a program and it is also not  a package. glxinfo is a command
[03:58] <chronographer> I have an issue where wireless drops out every now and then, I wonder if there is a way to automatically bring it back up after this happens?
[03:58] <bsnider> what kind if wifi card do you have?
[03:59] <chronographer> rt73
[03:59] <chronographer> using built in drivers with 2.6.27-1-generic
[03:59] <bsnider> is it running right now?
[03:59] <chronographer> above is errors from trying to compile newer drivers... Yeah its running
[03:59] <bsnider> can you hop into a terminal and run lsmod for me please?
[04:00] <bsnider> see if there's a module there called mac80211
[04:00] <chronographer> http://pastebin.com/m58d79a1b
[04:00] <bsnider> fyi i'm not trying to help you i'm trying to get information for my own purposes
[04:01] <chronographer> mac80211              217076  2 rt2x00usb,rt2x00lib
[04:01] <chronographer> cfg80211               32392  2 rt2x00lib,mac80211
[04:01] <chronographer> oh really? why?
[04:02] <bsnider> if you check iwconfig you'll see a device called "master0" or some such thing
[04:02] <chronographer> wlan0wmaster0  no wireless extensions.
[04:02] <chronographer> sorrym thats wmaster0
[04:03] <bsnider> the way mac80211 is supposed to work is it does the heavy lifting and the module it uses is just a softmac driver
[04:03] <bsnider> on my system this driver is called ath5k
[04:03] <bsnider> it casues hard lockups, aka kernel crashes
[04:03] <bsnider> it also loses the connection from time to time
[04:04] <chronographer> what does this mean? I don't get lock ups, just lost connection... it sucks as if I leave the machine on all night ... internet jsut stops
[04:04] <chronographer> so torrents stop torrenting
[04:05] <bsnider> the only difference is that on mine, when it tried to reconnect, the kernel goes kaput
[04:05] <danbhfive> i have 2 wifi cards, one is an atheros, and the other uses ndiswrapper.  Both have connection problems
[04:06] <bsnider> one is an atheros?
[04:06] <bsnider> what kind of atheros?
[04:06] <chronographer> damn... thats no good! I guess I should feel lucky then. do you think me writing a a script for a cron job or sometihng would be worthwhile ?
[04:06] <danbhfive> 522?
[04:06] <danbhfive> one sec
[04:06] <chronographer> to check network is up, set it up if its not...
[04:06] <danbhfive> dwa-552
[04:07] <bsnider> i suppose you could do that
[04:07] <danbhfive> its a belkin n adapter, pci connection
[04:07] <chronographer> sounds hard though, need to get sudo to allow to do stuff without paswrod and stuff...
[04:07] <bsnider> right so you'd be using the ath9k driver
[04:07] <danbhfive> mk
[04:07] <bsnider> it's not belkin though, it's d-link
[04:08] <danbhfive> oh yeah, that was a brain fart
[04:08] <bsnider> are you able to connect to a router using that card?
[04:09] <danbhfive> thats hard to answer
[04:09] <bsnider> chronographer, you could try uninstalling network-manager and replacing it wiht wicd
[04:09] <bsnider> that does reconnect automatically
[04:09] <danbhfive> I think it connects  (im on hardy atm btw, using madwifi, but its not even connected right now)
[04:10] <bsnider> that card doesn't work with madwifi
[04:11] <chronographer> really? I'm trying rutilt now, it brings me to another problem... I can't add items to my sessions startup. I get 'the command cannot be empty' whatever the command i put in there
[04:11] <bsnider> try it with wicd
[04:11] <chronographer> ok
[04:12] <chronographer> is it in repos?
[04:12] <bsnider> no
[04:12] <chronographer> =)
[04:13] <bsnider> it's in the cloud
[04:13] <danbhfive> bsnider: so this page is wrong?  http://ph.ubuntuforums.com/showthread.php?t=718244
[04:14] <bsnider> it's misleading
[04:14] <bsnider> that driver doesn't work
[04:14] <chronographer> will the hardy wicd package be ok?
[04:14] <bsnider> it isn't stable
[04:14] <bsnider> yes it will
[04:14] <bsnider> i tried ti
[04:14] <bsnider> it works fine
[04:15] <chronographer> on intrepid?
[04:15] <bsnider> yes
[04:15] <chronographer> great
[04:15] <danbhfive> well, i think you are correct, since it doesnt seem to be picking up an ip address
[04:16] <bsnider> the problem i had with ath9k is htat i couldn't connect to a new-ish d-link router but i could connect to and old apple router
[04:16] <chronographer> whats the command for wicd gui?
[04:16] <chronographer> nvm
[04:20] <literal> jockey...is that the crash reporter?
[04:20] <bsnider> no
[04:20] <bsnider> jockey is the restricted-drivers-manager
[04:20] <literal> ah
[04:21] <danbhfive> hehehe, the name changes drive me crazy sometimes!
[04:37] <danbhfive> erm, hmmm
[04:37] <danbhfive> bsnider: you are correct, those madwifis dont work at all
[04:37] <DanaG> Odd... blueproximity unlocks... but it won't lock.
[04:38] <bsnider> they abandoned that stuff in favour of ath5k
[04:38] <DanaG> Odd... blueproximity unlocks... but it won't lock.
[04:39] <literal> we heard
[04:39] <DanaG> Oh, sorry.
[04:39] <DanaG> I thought I put the message in two different channels.  =þ
[04:43] <DanaG> Aah, fixed it.
[04:45] <pwnguin> heh
[04:45] <pwnguin> "need to download 300 MB of updates"
[04:46] <pwnguin> guess im off to watch a movie or something
[04:47] <danbhfive> bsnider: bah, you were correct.  madwifi is phail
[04:48] <bsnider> yeah you have to use ath9k
[04:49] <bsnider> which is in intrepid
[04:53] <bsnider> i wish i could blame the hard lockups on network-manager because i don't want to keep using madwifi
[04:53] <bsnider> and network-manager is full of bugs right now
[04:53] <bsnider> but i don't think anybody else has hard lockups with it
[04:56] <danbhfive> zomg it is, nm-applet was disconnecting allot, as discussed earlier.  I think even my dhcp client was throwing a few errors.  I've given up on trying to make it work atm.
[04:56] <danbhfive> how hard are your lockups?  when ever my net goes bad, all my apps kinda start to freeze, then keyboard goes, but my mouse always stays movable, even thought everything else is at a stand still
[04:58] <bsnider> really? that's interesting. i also lose the mouse
[05:23] <DanaG> Oh hey, anybody here use OpenOffice 3 (beta or rc or whatever)?
[05:23] <DanaG> I didn't even know about it until I saw somebody ask about it earlier.
[05:23] <DanaG> I know it won't be included in Intrepid... but I'm just curious: any must-have new features?
[05:24] <literal> http://development.openoffice.org/releases/3.0.0rc1.html
[05:24] <literal> man, those release notes are a horrible read
[05:25] <DanaG> Wow, mega horizontal scroll.
[05:26] <DanaG> Wow, trendlines.... I had noticed a lack of those... =þ
[05:39] <DanaG> Why the heck do things keep getting OOM-killed?
[06:04] <DanaG> Argh, for some reason, things keep getting OOM killed.... even though I'm only at 50% memory usage, and zero percent swap usage.  That exit was one of them.
[06:04] <rski> no idea
[06:44] <Reed_Solomon> man something seems to be eating all my memory. maybe compiz.. i dunno.  or it could be the driver for my intel GM45 chip.  but its slowly eating into my physical memory
[06:44] <Reed_Solomon> and ive got 3 gigs
[06:45] <Reed_Solomon> just an observation, not really complaining.  I guess it could be plasma/kde 4 too. hard to determine really
[06:45] <Reed_Solomon> still better than vista
[06:45] <literal> why don't you check what's using all this memory then?
[06:45] <Reed_Solomon> how
[06:45] <literal> top, for example
[06:45] <Reed_Solomon> oh yeah
[06:46] <literal> shift+m to sort by memory usage
[06:48] <Reed_Solomon> xorg/plasma/compiz in that order, then python.
[06:51] <Reed_Solomon> everything seems to be eating memory though.  kmix is at 214m, of all things.
[06:51] <Reed_Solomon> compiz seems really lite in comparison at 261m
[06:52] <DanaG> I also keep getting out-of-memory kills.
[06:52] <DanaG> It's really rather irritating.
[06:53] <DanaG> ... especially when I get an out-of-memory kill while my 2.5 gigs of RAM is only half used... and my swap is entirely empty.
[06:53] <Reed_Solomon> you using kde 4 DanaG?
[06:54] <DanaG> Nope, I'm using Gnome.
[06:54] <RAOF> Reed_Solomon: That'd be the virtual size of the programs, I'd guess.  That's the size of their address space, which might involve all sorts of things - all the shared libs it uses, any files it's mmapped, PCI address space it's using, etc.
[06:54] <DanaG> I also get an OOM kill when I switch FROM compiz TO metacity.....
[06:54] <Reed_Solomon> RAOF:  true
[06:54] <DanaG> ... it actually killed nautilus and pidgin.
[06:54] <RAOF> DanaG: Which is fairly wierd.
[06:54] <DanaG> Another time, I was running an update in update-manager.... and it killed... nautilus, pidgin, and quodlibet.
[06:55] <DanaG> Or something like that.
[06:55] <RAOF> DanaG: The OOM killer isn't renound for killing the memory hogs, no.
[06:55] <DanaG> Well, what's even weirder is, it's killing even when I have plenty of memory space left.
[06:55]  * RAOF wonders idly just why people with ATI and Intel cards install the nvidia drivers.
[06:56] <DanaG> It seems to be doing it when I'm under heavy load, such as with high iowait usage.
[06:56] <Reed_Solomon>   http://pastebin.com/d2fd002dd for my top output
[06:57] <Reed_Solomon> i installed kinfocenter, and im just watching my free physical memory slowly go from 2.5/3 gigs to 1.2 gigs
[06:58] <RAOF> Reed_Solomon: Looking at the top output nothing seems to be taking an excessive amount of memory.
[06:58] <Reed_Solomon> its really quite hypnotic
[06:58] <Reed_Solomon> RAOF: maybe its the driver for my intel card?
[06:58] <RAOF> With the exception of Xorg, for which 300Mb seems unusually high.
[06:59] <Reed_Solomon> gm45 intel card, so it could be buggy
[06:59] <Reed_Solomon> rather onboard but its relatively new
[06:59] <RAOF> Possibly.  I'm not really sure what *normal* Xorg mem usage should look like; your card doesn't actually have any vram, for examlpe.
[06:59] <RAOF> Presumably the system memory it's using as vram is getting accounted for in Xorg, but I'm not sure.
[07:00] <RAOF> It's also possible it's just a driver bug, of course.
[07:00] <Reed_Solomon> possibly
[07:00] <Reed_Solomon> http://pastebin.com/d702e54b8 (shows dmesg |grep intel)
[07:01] <Reed_Solomon> ill assume its a bug in my X driver
[07:01] <Reed_Solomon> seems the most logical conclusion
[07:01] <Reed_Solomon> i guess I could try killing X and see what happens when I restart
[07:01] <Reed_Solomon> what do you think
[07:02] <Reed_Solomon> oddly enough my /var/log/ directory was taking almost 80 gigs the other day
[07:02] <RAOF> Heh.  That can cause some fun!
[07:03] <Reed_Solomon> heh
[07:03] <RAOF> I forget what of mine was filling / with logs.
[07:03] <Reed_Solomon> well i figured it out pretty quickly i forget what I did
[07:03] <Reed_Solomon> i was copying a dvd for my sister and im like.. what, out of space? its a new laptop!
[07:04] <Reed_Solomon> i deleted it without looking though
[07:04] <Reed_Solomon> as i was rather in a hurry
[07:04] <Reed_Solomon> still surprised
[07:04] <RAOF> Anyway, I'd _expect_ your free physical memory to slowly decrease as stuff gets cached in; I'm not sure if kinfocentre will count that as 'free' though.
[07:05] <RAOF> I'm not yet convinced it's an honest-to-goodness bug, unless Xorg's memory consumption continues to increase.
[07:06] <Reed_Solomon> it was 230 before, now its 248m
[07:06] <RAOF> Wake me when it's > 500 :)
[07:06] <Reed_Solomon> heh
[07:06] <Reed_Solomon> if i can still type
[07:06] <Reed_Solomon> ill let you know
[07:07] <RAOF> What?  You can't drop 500Mb on Xorg?  How much ram is in that thing?
[07:07] <Reed_Solomon> 3 gigs
[07:07] <RAOF> Pfft.
[07:07] <RAOF> You'll easily be able to type with X taking up 500Mb.  That's less than half your memory!
[07:07] <Reed_Solomon> yah probably
[07:08] <Reed_Solomon> unless something else happens
[07:08] <RAOF> (Much less).
[07:08] <Reed_Solomon> yes yes 1/6th of my memory
[07:27] <Tamagotono> Reed_Solomon: just wondering if you are using a laptop or desktop that has the g45 chipset
[07:27] <Reed_Solomon> laptop
[07:27] <Reed_Solomon> thinkpad sl400
[07:27] <Reed_Solomon> just got it last week
[07:28] <Tamagotono> you are able to use the laptop's display?
[07:28] <Reed_Solomon> yep
[07:28] <Tamagotono> I just bought a sony vgn-fw140e with x4500MHD and can only use external video with the Intel driver.
[07:28] <Reed_Solomon> really
[07:28] <Reed_Solomon> huh
[07:29] <rski> oh noez =(
[07:29] <Tamagotono> I am using the VESA driver at 1024x768 on my 1600x900 display!
[07:29] <Reed_Solomon> you mean the external display is 1600x900 and you can only get 1024x768 vesa?
[07:29] <Reed_Solomon> or is that the LCD max
[07:30] <Tamagotono> no, external works fine.  Laptop display is 1600x900 but in order to use it at all I have to use VESA and the best I can manage with that driver is 1024x768.
[07:30] <Reed_Solomon> im using the latest kernel/Xorg from intrepid and its working with the intel driver with xv and openGL working pretty good, got compiz going
[07:31] <fargiolas> how can I restore power button binding to shutdown-restart-suspend instead of fast-user-switch-applet?
[07:31] <Reed_Solomon> I haven't tried it on my external monitor, but i did try the HDMI output and VGA output to a vizio TV and with a bit of coaxing worked
[07:31] <Tamagotono> interepid automatically configured it for you no problem (onboard display)
[07:31] <Tamagotono> ?
[07:32] <Reed_Solomon> Tamagotono, i think so..  i suppose you could try doing a "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg" if you haven't already
[07:32] <Reed_Solomon> xorg.conf suggests that
[07:32] <Tamagotono> been there done that!  :)
[07:33] <Tamagotono> I even tried Mandriva to verify that it is not just an ubuntu bug.  No luck there either... :(
[07:33] <Reed_Solomon> ah. well.. thats the extent of my Xorg knowledge, as I don't really get where things are being configured in ubuntu now for xorg
[07:34] <RAOF> Tamagotono: Got an Xorg.0.log?
[07:34] <Tamagotono> I'm with you there!  A lot more going on behind the scene now.
[07:35] <Tamagotono> I can generate one easy enough.. I have never posted one before on IRC where do I put it? pastebin something or other?
[07:35] <Reed_Solomon> id use pastebin
[07:35] <Reed_Solomon> dont wanna flood
[07:36] <Tamagotono> give me a few and I'll post it...
[07:36] <RAOF> Tamagotono: You're probably interested in the "pastebinit" package.
[07:36] <Reed_Solomon> i wouldnt mind at least figuring out how to get my middle thinkpad mouse button to act as a scroll
[07:37] <DanaG> Hmm, I like the latest Synaptics Xorg driver... it deals much better with moisture (such as water) than previous versions.
[07:38] <Reed_Solomon> i dont web browse in the bath
[07:38] <Reed_Solomon> :)
[07:38] <DanaG> Oh, but what about when you have a glass of ice water or something, and get condensation on your hands?
[07:39] <Reed_Solomon> i wipe it on my shirt
[07:40] <Reed_Solomon> shirts. the universal napkin
[07:40] <DanaG> Oh yeah, scrolly thing: there's an option:
[07:40] <DanaG> EmulateWheelButton
[07:41] <DanaG> I've moved my synaptics tweaks from xorg.conf into an fdi file.
[07:42] <Tamagotono> OK, I just pasted my Xorg.0.log at http://paste.ubuntu.com/44813/ this is with me trying to use the Intel driver.
[07:45] <RAOF> Tamagotono: Hm.  And what happens?  That looks like it should be displaying something on LVDS
[07:46] <Reed_Solomon> yah i dont see why it shouldnt
[07:47] <Tamagotono> the screen turns bright white and if you watch it, you can see it fade to black over a period of 20 minutes or so...  It acts like its working but just doesn't display anything.
[07:47] <RAOF> Hm.  Sounds like it's not quite driving your LVDS right.
[07:48] <Tamagotono> If I switch to a different VT then back to VT7, I can see an after image of the text on the screen, just in reverse...
[07:49] <RAOF> Yeah, the modesetting sounds borked.
[07:49] <RAOF> Bug filing time!
[07:51] <Tamagotono> Yeah! -- my first bug report!  I'll figure out how to do it, and get it posted tonight.
[07:52] <Reed_Solomon> So now that dpkg automagically generates your xorg.conf, where do you put your mouse configuration stuff like emulatewheelbutton?
[07:52] <Reed_Solomon> Tamagotono, if you love going to the dentist, you'll love filing bug reports
[07:53] <Reed_Solomon> im such a bitter person
[07:53] <Tamagotono> I hate going to the dentist... they always use novicane, it dulls the sensation... :)
[07:53] <Tamagotono> thats why I just do my own dental work.
[07:53] <Fallenou> hi, has somebody tested the 802.1x with the new network manager ? (intrepid alpha) ?
[07:54] <Fallenou> 802.1x on wired network
[07:55] <Reed_Solomon> i gave up on network manager and use wicd
[07:55] <RAOF> Fallenou: Not that I know of; most places I could plug my laptop into feel that physical access is pretty much enough of a security measure.
[07:55] <zniavre> !bug samba
[07:55] <RAOF> Fallenou: Feel free to test it, though ;)
[07:55] <Fallenou> i think i tested it
[07:55] <Fallenou> and i never manage to get it work
[07:55] <zniavre> hello all of you
[07:56] <Fallenou> but i will try again i'm not sure of my tests
[07:56] <RAOF> You're testing the 0.7 packgages in Intrepid right now?
[07:56] <DanaG> Reed_Solomon: try looking in /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/10-x11-input.fdi   -- copy it to /etc/hal/fdi/policy and edit it.
[07:56] <DanaG> You'll have to add x11_option things:
[07:56] <Fallenou> yes it's 0.7.0 on intrepid alpha 4
[07:56] <DanaG> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config
[07:57] <Fallenou> RAOF < on my campus (university neighbourhood) i enabled 802.1x wired authentification with password/login/mac address over ldap server
[07:57] <Fallenou> and it works well with the network manager of Hardy Heron
[07:57] <DanaG> or look at other ones in 10osvendor, such as the synaptics one.
[07:58] <Reed_Solomon> thanks DanaG
[07:58] <Fallenou> i added an entry in the menu of the network manager (on hardy) and i just have to click on it and it does the authentification + dhcp request and i'm totally OK, btw i never found out how to make it automatic
[07:58] <Fallenou> if someone know (i know i'm not on the right channel for hardy :p)
[07:58] <RAOF> Wow.  The fluendo guys are really responsive.
[07:59] <RAOF> Fallenou: I'd file a bug if you'd like Intrepid to work; I don't think too many people are testing wired authentication.
[07:59] <Fallenou> ok
[07:59] <Fallenou> i will do more testing tomorrow
[07:59] <Fallenou> i'm not on the campus right now
[08:00] <Fallenou> i'd like to thank you the UI for new network manager is really good
[08:00] <Fallenou> there is pretty much all the thing about network in there o_o
[08:01] <Fallenou> RAOF < do you know how to add a VPN connection ? all the buttons are disactivated (in grey) "Add" "Edit" "Delete" etc :o
[08:04] <RAOF> Fallenou: You'd need to install the various network-manager-*vpn packages, I think.
[08:05] <Reed_Solomon> http://mvogt.wordpress.com/2008/08/15/xorg-evdev-and-emulatewheel/ <- google rules, thanks again danag
[08:05] <Reed_Solomon> huh, without capitalization, that looks like "da nag"
[08:05] <Fallenou> ooooh
[08:05] <Fallenou> it would be great to be done automatically if i click on "Add" :)
[08:05] <Fallenou> just like totem recognizes missing codec and download it
[08:06] <Fallenou> because all i see is disactivated buttons
[08:07] <RAOF> Right; that would probably require PackageKit to be useful.
[08:07] <Fallenou> RAOF < last question (i think :p) is there specific network manager for Xubuntu ? (xfce) ?
[08:07] <RAOF> No.
[08:07] <Fallenou> ok, i use the one from gnome
[08:07] <RAOF> At least, I don't think so.  nm-applet is gtk, it should fit nicely in Xubunut.
[08:07] <Fallenou> yes it does
[08:08] <Fallenou> ok i thank you a lot for answering my questions :)
[08:08] <Fallenou> keep going ubuntu team you do nice work :D
[08:09] <Reed_Solomon> yes im quite impressed with intrepid.
[08:09] <Reed_Solomon> anyone started speculation on the next j series names?
[08:09] <Reed_Solomon> i figure its either jumping jaguars, or jiggly jellyfish
[08:10] <Reed_Solomon> what else is there
[08:10] <zniavre> The Jaunty Jackalope
[08:10] <Reed_Solomon> theres no such animal
[08:10] <zniavre> it's kind of rabbit no ?
[08:11] <Tamagotono> my vote is for Jovial Jackel
[08:11] <stefanlsd> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackalope
[08:11] <Reed_Solomon> coulda gone with jackrabbit then
[08:11] <zniavre> :-D
[08:12] <Reed_Solomon> madness
[08:13] <DanaG> how about a jackal?
[08:13] <DanaG> oh, already got it.
[08:14]  * DanaG goes off to bed.
[08:18] <DanaG> wtf... power button isn't initating shutdown.
[08:19] <zniavre> DanaG:  you should disconnect your session come back to gdm and rebbot with option menu
[08:20] <zniavre> he found alone ...   :o)
[08:48] <Tamagotono> OK, it took me a while but I finally posted my first Bug report!  Bug #268036
[09:14] <x1250> my vote goes to: Jovial Jackal
[09:17] <sveri_> hey folks, i cannot install kdebase-runtime anymore: kopete: Depends: kdebase-runtime (>= 4:4.1.1) but it is not going to be installed
[09:35] <Tamagotono> sveri_: try sudo apt-get install -f kdebase-runtime
[09:43] <sveri_> Tamagotono:  Depends: kdebase-runtime-data (>= 4:4.1.1-0ubuntu4) but it is not going to be installed
[09:51] <Tamagotono> odd, the -f should have it get what is needed.  try sudo apt-get -f install kdebase-runtime kdebase-runtime-data   see how that works...
[09:54] <sveri_> yea, works out the same: Depends: kdebase-runtime-data (>= 4:4.1.1-0ubuntu4) but 4:4.1.1-0ubuntu3 is to be installed Depends: kde-icons-oxygen (>= 4:4.1.1-0ubuntu4) but 4:4.1.1-0ubuntu3 is to be installed
[09:56] <sveri_> ah, but it seems like apt-get -f install kdebase-runtime kdebase-runtime-data kde-icons-oxygen works, at least he's downloading and not breaking
[09:57] <sveri_> now he breaks with: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-runtime_4%3a4.1.1-0ubuntu4_amd64.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/ksvgtopng', which is also in package kdelibs4-dev
[10:05] <Tamagotono> sounds like they have some broken packages.  not much to do until they fix them.
[10:05] <Tamagotono> Sorry to leave you in a learch, but I am going to bed.  Good night.
[10:06] <Tamagotono> Thanks to everyone for your help.  especiall Reed_Solomon and RAOF
[10:45] <nacho> Hi
[10:46] <nacho> I was wondering... why did you remove the svn_version.h file from libsvn-dev package?
[10:46] <nacho> I asked the package mantainer and he said me that he made the package for debian and in debian that file exists
[10:47] <nacho> this file is needed for detection in gtranslator and anjuta (in a near future)
[10:53] <void^> file a bug against the package
[10:53] <nacho> ok
[12:54] <frybye> I have kubuntu 8.04 with kde3 and kde4.1 - if I do a sudo distro update.. will I have to install everything again or will i still have my stuff and or will both kde be avail etc etc..?
[12:55] <frybye> ah ha - I have just read the #-header - better forget this for now...
[13:11] <gnomefreak> whhat is the command to use nvidia to generate xorg.conf?
[13:11] <remu> Hey everyone, I installed Intrepid last night, because I just got a brand new HP dv4t, and using Hardy, neither my wireless, nor my sound functioned properly, however running the latest alpha gets me a working wireless card, but I am still having problems
[13:11] <remu> gnomefreak: sudo nvidia-xconfig
[13:12] <gnomefreak> remu: thanks
[13:12] <remu> np
[13:13] <remu> The issue I seem to be having with my sound is that it seems to be repeating in short bursts, I have to mute my speakers to be able to function, because GDM will set it off, and I just get this "ding ding ding ding" kind of sound, like a repeat of the first little bit of the startup sound, I tried this:http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=5587712&postcount=472 in the hopes that that might fix things, but that didn't help
[13:15] <gnomefreak> remu: you need to uncomment it in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[13:15] <gnomefreak> it should be the last one in that file
[13:15] <gnomefreak> be back in a few
[13:26] <remu> http://pastebin.com/d714ea78c thats my /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist, does anyone know what gnomefreak was talking about? because all of my options are uncommented, do i need to add something to it?
[13:29] <Pici> remu: He was referring to the snd_pcsp entry
[13:29] <remu> but thats already uncommented, so I take it I'm outta luck with that attempt eh
[13:31] <Pici> remu: It may not be related to that bug then
[13:36] <remu> well that sucks, lol
[14:19] <nastas> anyone knows about tvtuners?
[14:20] <nastas> i'm on a laptop trying to make my pcmci tv tuner to work
[15:44] <IdleOne> http://imagebin.ca/view/zG2MXbcx.html was told yesterday that glxinfo is not a program therefore can't be closed unexpectedly. so why do I have this screenshot?
[15:53] <MrKennie> of course it's a program
[15:54] <cbr> hello, l10n in intrepid still seems to be broken (at kde4 at least)
[15:56] <JontheEchidna> cbr: broken? Is this with this morning's updates?
[15:57] <cbr> no, it has been like this all the time with kde4 in intrepid
[15:57] <`Matir> In intrepid, what's the best java plugin available for amd64?
[15:57] <MrKennie> `Matir: does openjdk work?
[15:59] <`Matir> MrKennie, does not seem to work properly... trying to use a java-based ssh/console client and I just get a grey box... the java test page on Sun's site shows stuff (version info and all), but the animation flickers ridculously
[16:00] <MrKennie> hm, there's icedtea too, not sure what the difference is though
[16:00] <void^> probably little difference. sun doesn't have a 64bit browser plugin so existing plugins are all based on gcj code afaik
[16:00] <`Matir> any idea how can I make firefox use icedtea instead?  I've installed the packages, but it still uses openjdk, and I can't find an alternative in /etc/alternatives
[16:01] <void^> xulrunner-1.9-javaplugin.so in alternatives
[16:01] <`Matir> only offers /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/jre/lib/amd64/gcjwebplugin.so
[16:02] <void^> !info icedtea-gcjwebplugin
[16:02] <`Matir> actually... hrrm
[16:02] <`Matir> yeah, I have that installed
[16:03] <`Matir> what's weird is that file is actually part of the icedtea package and not an openjdk package
[16:03] <void^> meh, just link to it manually.. doubt it will work better anyways
[16:04] <`Matir> can one nspluginwrapper the 32-bit java from sun?
[16:05] <`Matir> ah, apparently not
[16:05] <`Matir> well, that sucks for java options for amd64 :\
[16:06] <MrKennie> yea, like a lot of stuff
[16:07] <void^> i usually end up using 32bit firefox if i need flash or java
[16:07] <frank2424> anybody know if the latest intrepid daily iso boots in VirtualBox?
[16:09] <carandraug> Hi! I can't use the left and right mouse buttons at same time to copy paste text as I used to in Hardy and before. I've checked the xorg.conf file and the option "Emulate3Buttons" "true" is there
[16:10] <`Matir> void^, does a 32 bit ff require a chroot?  I know it used to, but haven't tried it lately
[16:10] <unavailable> having problems with hibernate
[16:11] <unavailable> i click the power button and choose hibernate, it locks the screen
[16:11] <unavailable> i type sudo hibernate, it complains about a tuxonice binary not found
[16:11] <void^> `Matir: no, but i'm not sure if the 32bit libs package includes all dependencies on ubuntu
[16:12] <unavailable>  Tuxonice binary signature file not found
[16:12] <unavailable> anyone get hibernate working?
[16:13] <MrKennie> I've not tried with intrepid but it mostly works in hardy
[16:13] <MrKennie> for me that is. I can't speak for everyone
[16:14] <unavailable> does your usb fail after hibernate?
[16:14] <unavailable> this was a problem I had in hardy
[16:14] <MrKennie> I actually got rpc crashes but that's a known bug anyway
[16:14] <MrKennie> usb seemed fine
[16:15] <MrKennie> I just don't bother using it because it's just as fast to shutdown and start from cold when I need it.
[16:15] <MrKennie> sometimes faster
[16:15] <unavailable> yah, I was notified about this because of the bug I subscribed to while in hardy, and I want to see if it still exists
[16:16] <unavailable> but i cannot hibernat
[16:16] <unavailable> e  at all
[16:16] <MrKennie> hibernation is currently an ongoing issue anyway
[16:17] <MrKennie> probably will be for a long time too
[16:38] <carandraug> Hi! I can't use the left and right mouse buttons at same time to copy paste text as I used to in Hardy and before. I've checked the xorg.conf file and the option "Emulate3Buttons" "true" is there
[16:40] <`Matir> carandraug, odd, I have no problem even without that option
[16:40] <`Matir> does your Xorg.0.log show anything?
[16:42] <carandraug> `Matir: what do you mean by anything? I can pastebin it
[16:42] <carandraug> `Matir: ohh, ok. Didn't seen you were talking about the log. One minute
[16:47] <carandraug> `Matir: should I be looking for something specific? I grepped mouse but can't find anything special
[16:48] <`Matir> carandraug, anything mouse related starting with (WW) or (EE)?
[16:49] <carandraug> `Matir: http://paste.ubuntu.com/44941/  <-- only these lines
[16:52] <carandraug> `Matir: the only stuff with errors and warnings were graph card and fonts related
[16:56] <`Matir> carandraug, hrrm, using current intrepid updates?
[16:56] <`Matir> anything special about your mouse?
[16:57] <carandraug> `Matir: updated to intrepid yesterday. Mouse is from microsoft. Never seen anything special bout it
[16:58] <`Matir> k, just making sure it wasn't one of those special mac mice or anything
[16:59] <carandraug> `Matir: there's one thing though. I have to use the kernel 2.6.24-19 (the one I used with Hardy) to get decent resolution, even though I'm using metacity
[16:59] <`Matir> ah
[17:00] <`Matir> have you tried the more recent kernel (at reduced resolution) to see if it works there?  I don't think kernel version should change much, but you never know
[17:01] <carandraug> `Matir: no. It hurts my head. With the latest kernel my resolutions drops to 640*480 with a crap refresh rate
[17:02] <`Matir> I was just thinking to narrow it down, but like I said, I doubt that could cause it.
[17:03] <carandraug> `Matir: and using the middle buttons is killing my scroll. It's a pain to scroll now and I've only used the middle button yesterday and today.
[17:03] <carandraug> `Matir: yeah, you're right. I'll try it when I reboot
[17:03] <`Matir> how does it kill your scroll?
[17:06] <carandraug> `Matir: I mean kill in the sense that the scroll gets stuck every once in a while now. Never happened before, scroll was always smoth. Only now I understand why my brother's mouse scroll is crap. He always used the middle button instead of emulating it
[17:07] <`Matir> weird... I use middle button/scroll for click and haven't had any trouble... guess it depends on the mouse though
[17:08] <`Matir> I'm looking at changelogs now to see if I see anything that's changed since hardy
[17:08] <carandraug> `Matir: probably. My brother's mouse is the same model as mine so it's probably related.
[17:10] <`Matir> carandraug, it seems that input devices moved to evdev beginning with intrepid, so I suspect that's related... trying to find more now
[17:11] <carandraug> `Matir: where do you see that? Can you give me the link?
[17:12] <`Matir> carandraug, http://mvogt.wordpress.com/2008/08/15/xorg-evdev-and-emulatewheel/
[17:15] <carandraug> `Matir: it's probably this line <merge key="input.x11_options.Emulate3Buttons" type="string">true</merge> but I only have preferences.fdi there
[17:18] <`Matir> maybe you can create one like that and just update the info.product string
[17:18] <carandraug> `Matir: he mention the need of a very recent xserver-xorg-input-evdev Wouldn't the one from INtrepid be enough?
[17:18] <`Matir> carandraug, well, that's for his scrolling fix, not sure if it's required for emulate3buttons
[17:18] <`Matir> trying to find more
[17:19] <carandraug> `Matir: I was thinking about doing that. But I don't know what I should place on info.product
[17:20] <`Matir> carandraug, actually, looks like you might be able to disable evdev per this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-evdev/+bug/199923
[17:20] <`Matir> it's not very clear to me
[17:23] <`Matir> carandraug, also, this has a lot on the new FDI files: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config
[17:24] <carandraug> `Matir: guess I'll have to learn a new trick. edit fdi files. As if xorg.conf wasn't already an hassle :p
[17:26] <`Matir> well, I'm hoping that by the time Intrepid comes out there should be sane fdi files for most hardware :)  hoping.
[17:29] <gx009> if installation hangs/fails in amd machines try: http://deekayen.net/fedora-core-5-io-scheduler-cfq-registered-hang-fix
[17:33] <gx009> interesting that an alpha1 disc booted up alright and the newer alpha5 needed this boot option
[17:33] <Pici> Alpha1 didnt use 2.6.27
[17:36] <gx009> am ecstatic about jumping into 2.6.28
[17:37] <rski> why
[17:37] <gx009> i wasted too much time on 2.6.27..
[17:39] <rski> =)
[17:40] <gx009> yay! finally am booting up into kubuntu 8.10
[17:52] <bobesponja> gx009: I'm upgrading to kubuntu 8.10 right now, how is it going so far for you?
[17:54] <gx009> its going ok.. but i forgot to format the partition so am going over it again
[17:54] <fatal> If anyone is willing to triage the iproute bugs you have open in launchpad to see if they are still valid, I'd be willing to see if I can help solve them (if they are general enough to also apply to Debian which should be most that are actual iproute bugs rather then kernel or net-tools bugs).
[17:56] <fatal> does anyone know if there's a way to link launchpad bugs to debian bugs and/or if a random user like me can close bugs in launchpad? See bug #260301
[18:02] <carandraug> `Matir: it's working. I added a file to policy, edited it. path to device was /dev/input/mouse1 :D So happy
[18:02] <carandraug> `Matir: thanks a lot for your help
[18:08] <cbovy> I found a regression with evolution in Intrepid, anyone can help me to confirm?
[18:10] <milos_> hi allll
[18:10] <cbovy> hi milos
[18:11] <milos_> how we are doing today?
[18:11] <cbovy> do you know how to tag a bug in launchpad so that it is listed with Intrepid?
[18:12] <milos_> not really, i am using launchpad but I am not so god at it
[18:13] <cbovy> I'm having some problems with Evolution. S/MIME in evolution composer doesn't work anymore since upgraded to intrepid.
[18:13] <cbovy> I filed a bug report, but it isn't shown within the Intrepid list.
[18:14] <`Matir> which intrepid list?
[18:15] <milos_> i usually go to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid and than click on 'Report a bug'
[18:15] <cbovy> when I go to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid and then show bugs, my bug is not present in the list.
[18:15] <cbovy> I did, but it seems that it is not nominated for Intrepid.
[18:15] <cbovy> I filed this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/267879
[18:16] <milos_> check that bug, maybe is tagged as private
[18:16] <milos_> if shows it's private, maybe is that the reason
[18:18] <`Matir> i think you have to hit "Nominate for release" and select intrepid there
[18:18] <Pici> I'd ask in #ubuntu-bugs, I don't think that is necessary.
[18:18] <cbovy> Pici: I'll ask it overthere.
[18:21] <CarlFK> i just installed today's daily build  in qemu - when I shut down, it hangs after NetworkManager: <info? eth0 taking down device  http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/a/qemu1.png
[18:21] <CarlFK> is this worth reporting somehwhere, or is it a bit too goofy?
[18:25] <`Matir> CarlFK, one off or reproducible?
[18:26] <CarlFK> `Matir: haven't tired.  i guess I can kill this session and boot/shutdown again
[18:34] <fluteflute> Has anyone else got an issue with firefox opening in a semi-fullscreen mode?
[18:36] <carandraug> fluteflute: no. But have you tried checking about:config to check for some fullscreen option and change it?
[18:38] <fluteflute> Well its not actually firefox's fullscreen mode, just a normal firefox window which covers the panels and doesn't have the window border. I'll take a look though...
[18:44] <mirak> hello
[18:44] <mirak> are the multiproto drivers included in ibex interpid ?
[18:45] <CarlFK> ﻿multiproto or ﻿﻿biarch support?
[18:45] <mirak> CarlFK: what is it ?
[18:46] <CarlFK> ﻿﻿﻿biarch = running 32 bit stuff on a x64 kernel
[18:49] <fluteflute> I've reported a bug incase anyone else is having a similar problem: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/268253
[18:50] <CarlFK> `Matir: kinda reproducible - I booted to single, and did #halt, and it didn't exit qemu either, but did get to "﻿System halted"   http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/a/qemu2.png
[18:50] <crdlb> fluteflute: that is a compiz problem
[18:51] <crdlb> well, metacity has the feature too, but it seems to be a tiny bit less broken there
[18:51] <fluteflute> crdlb: thanks, thought it might be, i'll reassign
[18:51] <fluteflute> whats the command for metacity replace again?
[18:51] <crdlb> fluteflute: compiz-fusion-plugins-main provides a Workarounds plugin
[18:51] <crdlb> which you can disable (or just disable 'legacy fullscreen support' within it)
[18:52] <CarlFK> in 7 min I can try going all the way to the GUI login like I did before
[18:52] <crdlb> personally, I hate that feature
[18:52] <fluteflute> crdlb: thanks so much!
[18:53] <crdlb> it's only still enabled for wine, which is the only app I know of which still isn't EWMH-compliant
[19:44] <ToHellWithGA> is remote desktop/vnc broken now?
[19:45] <ToHellWithGA> i tried to turn it on but i cannot connect
[20:38] <pwnguin> question: which distro is most likely to be unpatched in the wild?
[20:38] <rski> pwnguin: lfs
[20:38] <pwnguin> hmm
[20:38] <pwnguin> woa, wrong channel
[20:45] <milosz> what's the best way to update to Intrepid?
[20:46] <milosz> update from an installation CD?
[20:46] <milosz> or simply using apt, and changing all the sources to "intrepid"?
[20:46] <pwnguin> update manager
[20:46] <pwnguin> it has a flag you can use at command line
[20:46] <pwnguin> -c or -d
[20:47] <pwnguin> the cd will have outdated packages anyways
[20:47] <pwnguin> so this saves a bit of bandwidth perhaps
[20:48] <milosz> pwnguin, ok i got it running, thanks
[20:48] <milosz> hmm 1.2GB updates
[20:48] <milosz> good i have a 30mpbs connection ^^
[20:53] <bsnider> anybody getting that lovely thing where the video codecs reverse the blues and reds?
[20:54] <pwnguin> cmyk versus rgb?
[20:55] <bsnider> no it's just all the colours are normal except blues and reds are reversed, so everything that should be blue is red and vice versa
[20:56] <edgy> Hi, firefox doesn't play sound in flash like in youtube, is it only me?
[21:00] <rski> edgy: same here
[21:00] <rski> dunno why, sound works elsewhere
[21:01] <edgy> rski: thanks for the confirmation
[21:15] <vistakiller1> same here with flash
[21:19] <rski> Failed to initialize TTM buffer manager.  Falling back to classic.
[21:19] <rski> not working yet >&
[21:28] <doggymenz> there was an xorg-server-input-evdev update, and now my keyboard works strange
[21:28] <doggymenz> arrow keys, page up/down, winkey, etc
[21:37] <Turms> i'm having problems connecting to internet, first of all network-manager wishes i use dhcp, while i use static, but even if i configure it manually when i restart i doesn't preserve my settings, so i disinstalled network-manager
[21:38] <Turms> but problems are still there, in fact i can ping an address but if i launch apt-get update or firefox it doesn't connect, route -n gives the right settings
[21:39] <Turms> obviously the problem existed with network-manager as well
[21:39] <Turms> apt-get update
[22:01] <bsnider> Turms, everybody's having trouble with network-manager
[22:01] <rski> not mw :)
[22:01] <rski> me*
[22:02] <cbr_> 0.7 isnt connecting to wifi
[22:02] <cbr_> for me
[22:02] <cbr_> 0.6 works
[22:06] <dupondje> Turms: try playing with the 'System Device' checkbox
[22:06] <dupondje> when u tick it off
[22:06] <dupondje> set static ip
[22:07] <dupondje> and then save it
[22:07] <dupondje> then tick the System device checkbox
[22:07] <dupondje> it sometimes remembers the static ip settings :p
[22:16] <Turms> bsnider , dupondje thanks
[22:33] <zniavre> !bug
[23:10] <milosz> hmm virtualbox-ose modules are not available for the current Intrepid kernel?
[23:11] <rski> not that i know o
[23:11] <rski> f
[23:12] <rski> was looking for it today
[23:14] <milosz> yeah strange
[23:15] <rski> not really, just not done yet :)
[23:16] <rski> or uploaded
[23:22] <milosz> hmm i hope they'll appear soon-ish
[23:23] <milosz> but i was warned before the upgrade to Intrepid :)
[23:23] <milosz> about not using it on production systems
[23:23] <milosz> thankfully this is not my work system
[23:35] <bsnider> just use the non-open source one
[23:37] <milosz> as in directly from Sun?
[23:54] <katcita> hey
[23:54] <katcita> I installed intrepid alpha5
[23:54] <katcita> the install of intrepid went fine but it doesn't mount /home and when I try to mount /home it says /dev/sda3 already mounted or /home busy, yet 'mount' doesnt list /home as mounted
[23:54] <katcita> any idea?