[00:00] bsnider, yeah [00:04] bsnider, RAOF WAIT i think i know where I was mistaking: linux-headers-2.6.27-2-generic wasn't installed [00:05] bsnider, thnx i didn't saw generic :( [00:05] i am going for another try === fargiolas is now known as fargiolas|afk [00:10] You are already using Intrepid Ibex here ? [00:11] ScheissDrogen, i know what you're going to ask. no, it isn't very stable [00:12] will this be the name ? Intrepid Ibex as Hardy Heron ?? gnarf... [00:14] bsnider, RAOF works, thx you [00:15] really? didn't think it qwould [00:15] ScheissDrogen: No, the name will be Ubuntu 8.10, of course :) [00:15] bsnider, my bad [00:16] RAOF: hmm, gutsy gibbon, hardy heron... there will be a name I guess [00:16] who cares what the name is? [00:16] The code name is indeed Intrepid Ibex. [00:16] i don't care if they call it [00:16] as long as it work [00:17] whats the bugnumber of not possible to goto all sites ? [00:19] i didn't copyt hat [00:19] what's the question? [00:22] I saw passing a bug of people not be able to visit all webpages ? [00:23] there's a bug where fireforks crashes on fl ash sites [01:05] hello i am thinking in installing Intrepid, is hre too many problems with it now? [01:05] dunno chek known problems EagleSn [01:06] where? [01:06] the release notes [01:06] EagleSn: like I was telling you at #ubuntu I did had a load of problems but only with my graph card and wireless adaptor. I also had to use Hardy kernel to solve them and make a small edit of my xorg [01:06] or bugzilla [01:06] http://www.ubuntu.com/testing isn't? [01:07] i wont have problems with my graphics card or wifi [01:07] i havent wifi [01:07] EagleSn: I had these problems: [01:07] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/264019 [01:07] and my card is well supported by open drivers [01:07] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/267627 [01:07] Launchpad bug 264019 in linux "unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27-2" [Undecided,New] [01:07] Launchpad bug 267627 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "XVideo is garbled on r300 (dup-of: 267612)" [Undecided,New] [01:07] Launchpad bug 267612 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "green lines when playing video" [Undecided,New] [01:07] but there are workarounds [01:08] carandraug i wil ltry only updating GNOME to intrepid version lol [01:09] EagleSn: won't that trigger a lot of dependencies? [01:09] may be [01:09] i have no fear to apt [01:09] i am using Debian and Ubuntu since four years [01:10] EagleSn: you'll probably have to end up updating a lot of stuff to get it. Also, in the xorg.conf I had to add the emulate3buttons manually. Somehow it went away [01:10] ok its time to do experiments [01:11] EagleSn: good luck [01:13] i want to see if that option in Intrepid fixes my issue [01:13] i really hate it [01:15] EagleSn: I find it strange. Despite the appearance of that option, my panels didn't use to move around even though I didn't use them on the standard place [01:17] may be i am going to break Gnome [01:29] Gnome panels continue swapping in Intrepid version and being locked [01:31] EagleSn: wow! That was fast. Updating to intrepid took me almost 3 hours. Well, I have no idea what to do. Have you googled it? Someone may have tumbled upon the same issue [01:31] i dude it [01:32] i only have updated Gnome [01:32] now i have your Gnome panel version [01:32] EagleSn: hmm, ok [01:34] the strange is that it only happens when i reboot, not if i logout session or if i restart X server [01:40] EagleSn: I've found a thread about it on ubuntu forums (though he says the panels switch even he logs out) but no one solved it [01:41] i am investigating over it [01:41] i think the first pane lto be loaded is located at the bottom [01:41] what do you mean the panels are swapping? [01:42] i think the first panel to be loaded is located at the bottom [01:42] they swap possition [01:42] i'd certainly start by blowing away all gconf settings [01:43] that's where that stuff is located [01:43] it will delete all your user customizations, but you'll start with a fresh gnome desktop [01:43] EagleSn: isn't your problem with the panels moving away from where you placed them? That's their problem http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=799626&highlight=panel+gnome [01:43] in other words, the .gconfd directory in your home folder [01:44] EagleSn: or you search for the option with gconf-editor before going everything to default. I've been looking for it but don't knew where it is [01:45] the panels swap ther possition when both are at the bottom of the screen [01:46] both shouldn't be at the bottom of the screen to start with [01:47] i want ot have them at the bottom of the screen [01:48] ok [01:48] good luck with that [01:49] I got 2 network cards [01:49] 1 with DHCP, 1 with Static ip [01:49] bsnider: why do you say that? Is it that hard? I never tried myself as I only use one panel on the top but I thought it should be possible [01:49] and i'm getting 'No host to route' [01:49] when trying to wget etc :( [01:50] apt-get works btw :s [01:51] EagleSn: if placing two bars in the same side of the monitor is that hard, maybe you should ask in ##Gnome [01:52] i was asking in Gnome [03:08] Everytime I try to install Intepid Ibex through "update-manager -d" I get an error at step 2 while calculating packages. How do I get past this? [03:13] Apparently it crashes when marking ubuntu-desktop for upgrade. [03:23] That's odd... things keep getting OOM-killed. [03:24] (out-of-memory). [03:24] But I'm nowhere near full memory+swap usage. [03:25] I have 2.5 gigs of RAM and 1 gig of swap. [03:25] Oh, and my gnome panel keeps hanging on load. [03:26] sounds like bugs [03:26] Everytime I try to install Intepid Ibex through "update-manager -d" I get an error at step 2 while calculating packages. How do I get past this? Apparently it can't mark ubuntu-desktop for upgrade. [03:27] ripps: you know that intrepid is alpha, right? [03:28] Yes, I want to help with finding bugs [03:29] ripps: well, you just found one, ubuntu-desktop is broken : ) I dunno, you can always use the command line if you want to upgrade. But keep in mind, you should be prepared to have to reinstall, and lose everything on that partition. I'm wary of helping you till you confirm that you grok that [03:31] danhbfive: Yes, this isn't the first time I've test pre-release ubuntu software. Should I just wait a couple days to see if it's fixed? I guess I should file a bug report, huh? [03:31] ripps: I suggest that you upgrade with the alternate cd, which can be found here, and also, there is other good info:http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/alpha5 [03:31] ripps: how much harddisk space do you have? [03:32] are the repos down? [03:32] no [03:33] hmmm I am getting a error 400 [03:33] danbhfive: 120gb [03:33] danbhfive: 90gb free [03:33] ripps: personally, I think you should make a separate partition, of like 10g, and do a clean install there [03:33] E: Method gave invalid 400 URI Failure message [03:34] IdleOne: whats the address of the repo? [03:34] Hmm... not a bad idea, but I'll have to find a blank cd to burn an iso on. [03:34] danbhfive: main server and also mit.edu is giving the same error [03:35] ripps: o yeah, I forget that Im using a rw cd. It makes it easier, less wasteful [03:35] IdleOne: are you having this problem? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/264019 [03:35] Launchpad bug 264019 in linux "unable to visit some websites and ftpsites with 2.6.27-2" [Undecided,New] [03:36] I did not have any issues this morning [03:36] least nothing like that [03:36] IdleOne: my bad, Im running hardy atm. I have tons! of trouble with networking and intrepid [03:36] repos work fine here in intrepid [03:38] well this is very annoying [03:38] gui and cli give same errors. was hoping it was just a gui thing [03:38] have you tried firefox? [03:39] yes it is working [03:40] no issues with firefox [03:50] http://pastebin.com/m1c9b242b i get this error compiling rt73 wireless drivers.. can anyone help? [03:51] can someone tell me what this error means E: Method gave invalid 400 URI Failure message? [03:53] glxinfo and libbonobo closed unexpectedly. when I try to report the bug I get a window that tells me they are not genuine ubuntu packages [03:58] glxinfo cannot close because it is not a program and it is also not a package. glxinfo is a command [03:58] I have an issue where wireless drops out every now and then, I wonder if there is a way to automatically bring it back up after this happens? [03:58] what kind if wifi card do you have? [03:59] rt73 [03:59] using built in drivers with 2.6.27-1-generic [03:59] is it running right now? [03:59] above is errors from trying to compile newer drivers... Yeah its running [03:59] can you hop into a terminal and run lsmod for me please? [04:00] see if there's a module there called mac80211 [04:00] http://pastebin.com/m58d79a1b [04:00] fyi i'm not trying to help you i'm trying to get information for my own purposes [04:01] mac80211 217076 2 rt2x00usb,rt2x00lib [04:01] cfg80211 32392 2 rt2x00lib,mac80211 [04:01] oh really? why? [04:02] if you check iwconfig you'll see a device called "master0" or some such thing [04:02] wlan0wmaster0 no wireless extensions. [04:02] sorrym thats wmaster0 [04:03] the way mac80211 is supposed to work is it does the heavy lifting and the module it uses is just a softmac driver [04:03] on my system this driver is called ath5k [04:03] it casues hard lockups, aka kernel crashes [04:03] it also loses the connection from time to time [04:04] what does this mean? I don't get lock ups, just lost connection... it sucks as if I leave the machine on all night ... internet jsut stops [04:04] so torrents stop torrenting [04:05] the only difference is that on mine, when it tried to reconnect, the kernel goes kaput [04:05] i have 2 wifi cards, one is an atheros, and the other uses ndiswrapper. Both have connection problems [04:06] one is an atheros? [04:06] what kind of atheros? [04:06] damn... thats no good! I guess I should feel lucky then. do you think me writing a a script for a cron job or sometihng would be worthwhile ? [04:06] 522? [04:06] one sec [04:06] to check network is up, set it up if its not... [04:06] dwa-552 [04:07] i suppose you could do that [04:07] its a belkin n adapter, pci connection [04:07] sounds hard though, need to get sudo to allow to do stuff without paswrod and stuff... [04:07] right so you'd be using the ath9k driver [04:07] mk [04:07] it's not belkin though, it's d-link [04:08] oh yeah, that was a brain fart [04:08] are you able to connect to a router using that card? [04:09] thats hard to answer [04:09] chronographer, you could try uninstalling network-manager and replacing it wiht wicd [04:09] that does reconnect automatically [04:09] I think it connects (im on hardy atm btw, using madwifi, but its not even connected right now) [04:10] that card doesn't work with madwifi [04:11] really? I'm trying rutilt now, it brings me to another problem... I can't add items to my sessions startup. I get 'the command cannot be empty' whatever the command i put in there [04:11] try it with wicd [04:11] ok [04:12] is it in repos? [04:12] no [04:12] =) [04:13] it's in the cloud [04:13] bsnider: so this page is wrong? http://ph.ubuntuforums.com/showthread.php?t=718244 [04:14] it's misleading [04:14] that driver doesn't work [04:14] will the hardy wicd package be ok? [04:14] it isn't stable [04:14] yes it will [04:14] i tried ti [04:14] it works fine [04:15] on intrepid? [04:15] yes [04:15] great [04:15] well, i think you are correct, since it doesnt seem to be picking up an ip address [04:16] the problem i had with ath9k is htat i couldn't connect to a new-ish d-link router but i could connect to and old apple router [04:16] whats the command for wicd gui? [04:16] nvm [04:20] jockey...is that the crash reporter? [04:20] no [04:20] jockey is the restricted-drivers-manager [04:20] ah [04:21] hehehe, the name changes drive me crazy sometimes! [04:37] erm, hmmm [04:37] bsnider: you are correct, those madwifis dont work at all [04:37] Odd... blueproximity unlocks... but it won't lock. [04:38] they abandoned that stuff in favour of ath5k [04:38] Odd... blueproximity unlocks... but it won't lock. [04:39] we heard [04:39] Oh, sorry. [04:39] I thought I put the message in two different channels. =þ [04:43] Aah, fixed it. [04:45] heh [04:45] "need to download 300 MB of updates" [04:46] guess im off to watch a movie or something [04:47] bsnider: bah, you were correct. madwifi is phail [04:48] yeah you have to use ath9k [04:49] which is in intrepid [04:53] i wish i could blame the hard lockups on network-manager because i don't want to keep using madwifi [04:53] and network-manager is full of bugs right now [04:53] but i don't think anybody else has hard lockups with it [04:56] zomg it is, nm-applet was disconnecting allot, as discussed earlier. I think even my dhcp client was throwing a few errors. I've given up on trying to make it work atm. [04:56] how hard are your lockups? when ever my net goes bad, all my apps kinda start to freeze, then keyboard goes, but my mouse always stays movable, even thought everything else is at a stand still [04:58] really? that's interesting. i also lose the mouse [05:23] Oh hey, anybody here use OpenOffice 3 (beta or rc or whatever)? [05:23] I didn't even know about it until I saw somebody ask about it earlier. [05:23] I know it won't be included in Intrepid... but I'm just curious: any must-have new features? [05:24] http://development.openoffice.org/releases/3.0.0rc1.html [05:24] man, those release notes are a horrible read [05:25] Wow, mega horizontal scroll. [05:26] Wow, trendlines.... I had noticed a lack of those... =þ [05:39] Why the heck do things keep getting OOM-killed? [06:04] Argh, for some reason, things keep getting OOM killed.... even though I'm only at 50% memory usage, and zero percent swap usage. That exit was one of them. [06:04] no idea [06:44] man something seems to be eating all my memory. maybe compiz.. i dunno. or it could be the driver for my intel GM45 chip. but its slowly eating into my physical memory [06:44] and ive got 3 gigs [06:45] just an observation, not really complaining. I guess it could be plasma/kde 4 too. hard to determine really [06:45] still better than vista [06:45] why don't you check what's using all this memory then? [06:45] how [06:45] top, for example [06:45] oh yeah [06:46] shift+m to sort by memory usage [06:48] xorg/plasma/compiz in that order, then python. [06:51] everything seems to be eating memory though. kmix is at 214m, of all things. [06:51] compiz seems really lite in comparison at 261m [06:52] I also keep getting out-of-memory kills. [06:52] It's really rather irritating. [06:53] ... especially when I get an out-of-memory kill while my 2.5 gigs of RAM is only half used... and my swap is entirely empty. [06:53] you using kde 4 DanaG? [06:54] Nope, I'm using Gnome. [06:54] Reed_Solomon: That'd be the virtual size of the programs, I'd guess. That's the size of their address space, which might involve all sorts of things - all the shared libs it uses, any files it's mmapped, PCI address space it's using, etc. [06:54] I also get an OOM kill when I switch FROM compiz TO metacity..... [06:54] RAOF: true [06:54] ... it actually killed nautilus and pidgin. [06:54] DanaG: Which is fairly wierd. [06:54] Another time, I was running an update in update-manager.... and it killed... nautilus, pidgin, and quodlibet. [06:55] Or something like that. [06:55] DanaG: The OOM killer isn't renound for killing the memory hogs, no. [06:55] Well, what's even weirder is, it's killing even when I have plenty of memory space left. [06:55] * RAOF wonders idly just why people with ATI and Intel cards install the nvidia drivers. [06:56] It seems to be doing it when I'm under heavy load, such as with high iowait usage. [06:56] http://pastebin.com/d2fd002dd for my top output [06:57] i installed kinfocenter, and im just watching my free physical memory slowly go from 2.5/3 gigs to 1.2 gigs [06:58] Reed_Solomon: Looking at the top output nothing seems to be taking an excessive amount of memory. [06:58] its really quite hypnotic [06:58] RAOF: maybe its the driver for my intel card? [06:58] With the exception of Xorg, for which 300Mb seems unusually high. [06:59] gm45 intel card, so it could be buggy [06:59] rather onboard but its relatively new [06:59] Possibly. I'm not really sure what *normal* Xorg mem usage should look like; your card doesn't actually have any vram, for examlpe. [06:59] Presumably the system memory it's using as vram is getting accounted for in Xorg, but I'm not sure. [07:00] It's also possible it's just a driver bug, of course. [07:00] possibly [07:00] http://pastebin.com/d702e54b8 (shows dmesg |grep intel) [07:01] ill assume its a bug in my X driver [07:01] seems the most logical conclusion [07:01] i guess I could try killing X and see what happens when I restart [07:01] what do you think [07:02] oddly enough my /var/log/ directory was taking almost 80 gigs the other day [07:02] Heh. That can cause some fun! [07:03] heh [07:03] I forget what of mine was filling / with logs. [07:03] well i figured it out pretty quickly i forget what I did [07:03] i was copying a dvd for my sister and im like.. what, out of space? its a new laptop! [07:04] i deleted it without looking though [07:04] as i was rather in a hurry [07:04] still surprised [07:04] Anyway, I'd _expect_ your free physical memory to slowly decrease as stuff gets cached in; I'm not sure if kinfocentre will count that as 'free' though. [07:05] I'm not yet convinced it's an honest-to-goodness bug, unless Xorg's memory consumption continues to increase. [07:06] it was 230 before, now its 248m [07:06] Wake me when it's > 500 :) [07:06] heh [07:06] if i can still type [07:06] ill let you know [07:07] What? You can't drop 500Mb on Xorg? How much ram is in that thing? [07:07] 3 gigs [07:07] Pfft. [07:07] You'll easily be able to type with X taking up 500Mb. That's less than half your memory! [07:07] yah probably [07:08] unless something else happens [07:08] (Much less). [07:08] yes yes 1/6th of my memory === fargiolas|afk is now known as fargiolas [07:27] Reed_Solomon: just wondering if you are using a laptop or desktop that has the g45 chipset [07:27] laptop [07:27] thinkpad sl400 [07:27] just got it last week [07:28] you are able to use the laptop's display? [07:28] yep [07:28] I just bought a sony vgn-fw140e with x4500MHD and can only use external video with the Intel driver. [07:28] really [07:28] huh [07:29] oh noez =( [07:29] I am using the VESA driver at 1024x768 on my 1600x900 display! [07:29] you mean the external display is 1600x900 and you can only get 1024x768 vesa? [07:29] or is that the LCD max [07:30] no, external works fine. Laptop display is 1600x900 but in order to use it at all I have to use VESA and the best I can manage with that driver is 1024x768. [07:30] im using the latest kernel/Xorg from intrepid and its working with the intel driver with xv and openGL working pretty good, got compiz going [07:31] how can I restore power button binding to shutdown-restart-suspend instead of fast-user-switch-applet? [07:31] I haven't tried it on my external monitor, but i did try the HDMI output and VGA output to a vizio TV and with a bit of coaxing worked [07:31] interepid automatically configured it for you no problem (onboard display) [07:31] ? [07:32] Tamagotono, i think so.. i suppose you could try doing a "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg" if you haven't already [07:32] xorg.conf suggests that [07:32] been there done that! :) [07:33] I even tried Mandriva to verify that it is not just an ubuntu bug. No luck there either... :( [07:33] ah. well.. thats the extent of my Xorg knowledge, as I don't really get where things are being configured in ubuntu now for xorg [07:34] Tamagotono: Got an Xorg.0.log? [07:34] I'm with you there! A lot more going on behind the scene now. [07:35] I can generate one easy enough.. I have never posted one before on IRC where do I put it? pastebin something or other? [07:35] id use pastebin [07:35] dont wanna flood [07:36] give me a few and I'll post it... [07:36] Tamagotono: You're probably interested in the "pastebinit" package. [07:36] i wouldnt mind at least figuring out how to get my middle thinkpad mouse button to act as a scroll [07:37] Hmm, I like the latest Synaptics Xorg driver... it deals much better with moisture (such as water) than previous versions. [07:38] i dont web browse in the bath [07:38] :) [07:38] Oh, but what about when you have a glass of ice water or something, and get condensation on your hands? [07:39] i wipe it on my shirt [07:40] shirts. the universal napkin [07:40] Oh yeah, scrolly thing: there's an option: [07:40] EmulateWheelButton [07:41] I've moved my synaptics tweaks from xorg.conf into an fdi file. [07:42] OK, I just pasted my Xorg.0.log at http://paste.ubuntu.com/44813/ this is with me trying to use the Intel driver. [07:45] Tamagotono: Hm. And what happens? That looks like it should be displaying something on LVDS [07:46] yah i dont see why it shouldnt [07:47] the screen turns bright white and if you watch it, you can see it fade to black over a period of 20 minutes or so... It acts like its working but just doesn't display anything. [07:47] Hm. Sounds like it's not quite driving your LVDS right. [07:48] If I switch to a different VT then back to VT7, I can see an after image of the text on the screen, just in reverse... [07:49] Yeah, the modesetting sounds borked. [07:49] Bug filing time! [07:51] Yeah! -- my first bug report! I'll figure out how to do it, and get it posted tonight. [07:52] So now that dpkg automagically generates your xorg.conf, where do you put your mouse configuration stuff like emulatewheelbutton? [07:52] Tamagotono, if you love going to the dentist, you'll love filing bug reports [07:53] im such a bitter person [07:53] I hate going to the dentist... they always use novicane, it dulls the sensation... :) [07:53] thats why I just do my own dental work. [07:53] hi, has somebody tested the 802.1x with the new network manager ? (intrepid alpha) ? [07:54] 802.1x on wired network [07:55] i gave up on network manager and use wicd [07:55] Fallenou: Not that I know of; most places I could plug my laptop into feel that physical access is pretty much enough of a security measure. [07:55] !bug samba [07:55] Fallenou: Feel free to test it, though ;) [07:55] i think i tested it [07:55] and i never manage to get it work [07:55] hello all of you [07:56] but i will try again i'm not sure of my tests [07:56] You're testing the 0.7 packgages in Intrepid right now? [07:56] Reed_Solomon: try looking in /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/10-x11-input.fdi -- copy it to /etc/hal/fdi/policy and edit it. [07:56] You'll have to add x11_option things: [07:56] yes it's 0.7.0 on intrepid alpha 4 [07:56] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config [07:57] RAOF < on my campus (university neighbourhood) i enabled 802.1x wired authentification with password/login/mac address over ldap server [07:57] and it works well with the network manager of Hardy Heron [07:57] or look at other ones in 10osvendor, such as the synaptics one. [07:58] thanks DanaG [07:58] i added an entry in the menu of the network manager (on hardy) and i just have to click on it and it does the authentification + dhcp request and i'm totally OK, btw i never found out how to make it automatic [07:58] if someone know (i know i'm not on the right channel for hardy :p) [07:58] Wow. The fluendo guys are really responsive. [07:59] Fallenou: I'd file a bug if you'd like Intrepid to work; I don't think too many people are testing wired authentication. [07:59] ok [07:59] i will do more testing tomorrow [07:59] i'm not on the campus right now [08:00] i'd like to thank you the UI for new network manager is really good [08:00] there is pretty much all the thing about network in there o_o [08:01] RAOF < do you know how to add a VPN connection ? all the buttons are disactivated (in grey) "Add" "Edit" "Delete" etc :o [08:04] Fallenou: You'd need to install the various network-manager-*vpn packages, I think. [08:05] http://mvogt.wordpress.com/2008/08/15/xorg-evdev-and-emulatewheel/ <- google rules, thanks again danag [08:05] huh, without capitalization, that looks like "da nag" [08:05] ooooh [08:05] it would be great to be done automatically if i click on "Add" :) [08:05] just like totem recognizes missing codec and download it [08:06] because all i see is disactivated buttons [08:07] Right; that would probably require PackageKit to be useful. [08:07] RAOF < last question (i think :p) is there specific network manager for Xubuntu ? (xfce) ? [08:07] No. [08:07] ok, i use the one from gnome [08:07] At least, I don't think so. nm-applet is gtk, it should fit nicely in Xubunut. [08:07] yes it does [08:08] ok i thank you a lot for answering my questions :) [08:08] keep going ubuntu team you do nice work :D [08:09] yes im quite impressed with intrepid. [08:09] anyone started speculation on the next j series names? [08:09] i figure its either jumping jaguars, or jiggly jellyfish [08:10] what else is there [08:10] The Jaunty Jackalope [08:10] theres no such animal [08:10]