| tjaalton | is there an ETA for the .27-3 kernel? | 07:23 |
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| cropalato | sorry for the newbie question. Where can some one get info about become a kernel developer? | 14:32 |
| CarlFK | smb_tp: amd64 - if i installed just that (so not apps/modules) would it help any? | 14:50 |
| CarlFK | i wouldn't have network, and maybe even no shell, so I wouldn't be able to upload logs | 14:50 |
| CarlFK | but I would be able to see if it pauses at the same point | 14:51 |
| smb_tp | CarlFK, It is just the same code just amd64 version for some others to test. So I don't expect a different behaviour. | 14:51 |
| CarlFK | figured as much | 14:51 |
| smb_tp | CarlFK, Sure you can try. If that works, then maybe there is a 32/64 bit problem lurking | 14:52 |
| CarlFK | smb_tp: cat /proc/cpuinfo model name: AMD Turion(tm) 64 X2 Mobile Technology TL-60 | 14:56 |
| CarlFK | dpkg: error processing linux-image-2.6.27-3-generic_2.6.27-3.3smb5_amd64.deb (--install): | 14:56 |
| CarlFK | package architecture (amd64) does not match system (i386) | 14:56 |
| CarlFK | guessing it is looking at the current .. um... os | 14:56 |
| smb_tp | CarlFK, Oh yeah. It looks at you installed architecture. You can force it but all your binaries are 32 bit so this probably won't work | 14:58 |
| CarlFK | all we need is for it to boot, not ... um; be usefull, right ? | 14:59 |
| smb_tp | CarlFK, At some point the ramdisk takes over and that would be 32bit stuff (i don't think there is biarch support), so it might not get very far... | 15:01 |
| CarlFK | um.. magic happend | 15:04 |
| CarlFK | carl@dv67:~$ uname -a | 15:05 |
| CarlFK | Linux dv67 2.6.27-3-generic #1 SMP Mon Sep 8 22:51:51 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux | 15:05 |
| CarlFK | shell, network... | 15:05 |
| smb_tp | CarlFK, Oh right, should probably have more confidence in biarch support then. :) | 15:05 |
| CarlFK | [ 0.000000] Command line: root=UUID=270934eb-b4c5-4f17-87e4-8ebea9d98ed3 ro highres=off nohz=off vga=6 | 15:06 |
| CarlFK | no pauses - what params do you want ? | 15:06 |
| smb_tp | CarlFK, ok, that combination has worked with i386 kernel too | 15:06 |
| CarlFK | yes | 15:07 |
| smb_tp | CarlFK, without "highres=off nohz=off" with "apic=debug debug" | 15:07 |
| smb_tp | CarlFK, Only need to know whether this stops or not. Logs/dmesg only if it happens to _not_ pause | 15:08 |
| CarlFK | ok | 15:08 |
| CarlFK | what is this biarch support? | 15:08 |
| CarlFK | it paused. at least it isn't a surprise :) | 15:09 |
| smb_tp | Ok, so in this case i don't need anything more at the moment | 15:10 |
| doko | rtg, BenC: apparently neither gcc-4.1 and gcc-4.2 is needed to build kernels in intrepid on community ports. is this correct? | 15:22 |
| rtg | doko: dunno. I've yet to look at the community ports packages. | 15:24 |
| rtg | doko: Ben is on vacation this week. | 15:24 |
| timbba | Hello. I have Ubuntu Hardy kernel 2.6.24-21. This kernel is buggy and I know that > 2.6.25 kernels work with my machine. How can I get newer kernel to Hardy and all necessary packages (linux-ubuntu-modules, linux-headers and linux-image)? Some packages are missing from Intrepid and PPA repositories.. | 15:33 |
| CarlFK | timbba: not 'best' but good enough: wget http://people.ubuntu.com/~smb/bug254668/linux-image-2.6.27-3-generic_2.6.27-3.3smb5_i386.deb dpkg -i <that> | 15:34 |
| rtg | timbba: try the kernel PPA at http://ppa.launchpad.net/kernel-ppa/ubuntu | 15:34 |
| timbba | I have tried already PPA kernels.. there are no ubuntu-modules packages, so my wifi isn't working | 15:35 |
| rtg | timbba: 2.6.27 has LUM folded into the package, so LUM is no longer needed. | 15:36 |
| timbba | So I can get kernel packages, but how about those modules for my wifi card (Zydas based) | 15:36 |
| rtg | timbba: if they aren't in the 2.6.27 package, then they are not supported. | 15:36 |
| timbba | oh god.. so nobody can't get Zydas wifi to work? | 15:38 |
| rtg | I can't remember. you'll have to look in the kernel source for 2.6.27-rc5 | 15:38 |
| amitk | timbba: what card is it? | 15:39 |
| timbba | edup something :) | 15:40 |
| timbba | timbba@media-timbuktu ~ $ dmesg | grep zd | 15:41 |
| timbba | [ 32.583130] zd1211rw 2-2:1.0: eth0 | 15:41 |
| timbba | [ 32.583145] usbcore: registered new interface driver zd1211rw | 15:41 |
| timbba | [ 165.221220] zd1211rw 2-2:1.0: firmware version 4605 | 15:41 |
| timbba | [ 165.261183] zd1211rw 2-2:1.0: zd1211 chip 079b:004a v4330 high 00-60-b3 AL2230_RF pa0 g---- | 15:41 |
| amitk | timbba: that doesn't help a lot | 15:41 |
| timbba | timbba@media-timbuktu ~ $ lsusb | 15:41 |
| timbba | Bus 002 Device 002: ID 079b:004a Sagem | 15:41 |
| amitk | timbba: is it in http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/zd1211rw/devices? | 15:42 |
| timbba | yes it is: Sagem XG760A zd1211 079b 004a AL2230 | 15:43 |
| amitk | timbba: then please file a bug in launchpad describing how the device is not working. From a quick glance, it looks like intrepid's 2.6.27-based kernel should have support for it. No separate modules needed. | 15:47 |
| timbba | it doesn't find the firmware.. that is the problem. The card itself is recognized | 15:48 |
| CarlFK | timbba: that would be the "describing how the device is not working" | 15:49 |
| timbba | ok :) | 15:49 |
| amitk | timbba: 'ls -l /lib/firmware' | 15:49 |
| timbba | how about copying firmware from previous kernel? | 15:49 |
| amitk | timbba: exactly... :) | 15:50 |
| timbba | oh.. I have already removed 2.6.27 kernel so there is just... | 15:50 |
| timbba | ls -la /lib/firmware/ | 15:50 |
| timbba | total 12 | 15:50 |
| timbba | drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 2008-09-09 17:21 . | 15:50 |
| timbba | drwxr-xr-x 15 root root 4096 2008-09-09 17:20 .. | 15:50 |
| timbba | drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 2008-09-02 05:51 2.6.24-21-generic | 15:50 |
| timbba | but I will give it a try.. I'll copy the firmware after I have reinstalled the kernel... Let's see what happens | 15:51 |
| amitk | rtg: I forget why we moved from /lib/firmware/<kernel version>/* to /lib/firmware/*. And do our packages handle that transition? | 15:52 |
| rtg | amitk: Ben's contention was that firmware didn't change enough to bother keeping separate copies per ABI. For most drivers that's probably true. I assume upgrades are handled, but I've not a dist-upgrade in a bit (since FireFox didn't work on some web sites, I went back to Hardy) | 15:55 |
| amitk | probably a good idea | 16:03 |
| pgraner | Hello Everyone... I'm standing in for BenC today (he is on holiday) for the Weekly Kernel IRC Meeting. | 17:01 |
| pgraner | ogasawara: Can you tell us how we are looking wrt to 2.6.27? | 17:02 |
| pgraner | [Link Regressions https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bugs?field.tag=regression-2.6.27 ] | 17:03 |
| ogasawara | pgraner: from my point of view I think we are looking quite good with the move to 2.6.27 | 17:03 |
| ogasawara | pgraner: there are the noted list of regressions (link above) but I have gotten good feedback from a handful of those bugs that they will be resolved with the next kernel we release | 17:04 |
| pgraner | Looks like we are sitting at about 30 regressions, with most of them having fixes upstream or plans to get them fixed soon. | 17:04 |
| ogasawara | pgraner: for example the suspend/resume issues should hopefully go away | 17:04 |
| pgraner | ogasawara: great | 17:04 |
| ogasawara | pgraner: some of the boot failures will look to also be resolved | 17:05 |
| pgraner | ogasawara: we are sitting at about 70 bugs fixed by 2.6.27 | 17:05 |
| pgraner | [LINK https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bugs?field.tag=fixed-2.6.27] | 17:05 |
| ogasawara | pgraner: yup, so if we stuck with 2.6.26 we'd have to consider most of those unresolved then | 17:05 |
| pgraner | So far the feeling of the kernel team is that there are no real show stoppers and that we are on track for GO decision on the 14th per [LINK https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/2.6.27-kernel-plan] | 17:06 |
| pgraner | rtg: is looking at RaLink RT2860 LP# 210725 issues | 17:07 |
| pgraner | s/rtg:/rtg/ | 17:07 |
| tjaalton | when will -3 be uploaded? | 17:07 |
| rtg | tjaalton: as soon as -rc6 is in the can. | 17:08 |
| tjaalton | rtg: ah, thanks | 17:08 |
| pgraner | anyone from the kernel team have anything to add? | 17:09 |
| rtg | pgraner: I think it's Stefan thats looking inti the RaLink driver stuff. He built a DKMS package IIRC. | 17:09 |
| pgraner | rtg: ah, correct for some reason I had you down for it. I guess I'm trying to give you too much to do... | 17:10 |
| rtg | I'm going to start putting some of the DKMS packages on the kernel PPA, so that they are semi-official | 17:10 |
| pgraner | correction smb_tp will be looking at the RaLink RT2860 LP# 210725 issues | 17:10 |
| pgraner | Any questions? | 17:11 |
| pgraner | Ok I guess we'll call this meeting over for today. If anyone has questions or follow up questions you can post them here and I will answer or you can email me at pgraner@canonical.com. | 17:12 |
| pgraner | thanks! | 17:12 |
| johanbr | I've been bitten by a usb bug which has existed upstream since 2.6.25 and which prevents me from connecting to my Motorola phone. A patch exists, but is not yet accepted upstream. Is there any chance this patch could go in? | 17:16 |
| laga | johanbr: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/linux/+bug/263217 ? | 17:16 |
| johanbr | laga: Probably not. 2.6.24 works fine for me, but later kernels don't, which is the opposite of what's stated in that bug report. | 17:19 |
| johanbr | There's a discussion archived at http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.usb.general/8532 | 17:20 |
| laga | there's a test PPA | 17:21 |
| laga | maybe you can try that kernel | 17:22 |
| laga | the problem sounds familiar ;) | 17:22 |
| johanbr | I doubt it'll work, but I could try. | 17:25 |
| Bor_Ed | evening. is it too late to request v4l-dvb/mantis driver to be included for intrepid yet? the driver gives ~270 dvb card and stick drivers available and builds currently without issues on 8.10 | 17:54 |
| laga | 270 *new* dvb boards? | 17:58 |
| CarlFK | Bor_Ed: is 270 a count or a model number? | 17:58 |
| Bor_Ed | module count | 17:59 |
| Bor_Ed | including frontend, jingles and bells | 17:59 |
| laga | and how is it different from the v4l-dvb tree included in the current kernel? | 18:00 |
| Bor_Ed | doesn't support the dvb-c or dvb-t devices around europe that well | 18:00 |
| laga | so you're basically suggesting that the kernel devs should include regressions? ;) | 18:01 |
| Bor_Ed | well, I was pointed to here from #ubuntu-devel since the driver level stuff belongs to you guys (I heard, no pun) | 18:02 |
| * laga is not a kernel dev, just for the record | 18:03 | |
| Bor_Ed | I read that mantis is getting to v4l-dvb kernel tree but not in time for release of 8.10 | 18:03 |
| laga | but as one of the mythbuntu guys, i'm interested in better DVB support | 18:03 |
| Bor_Ed | I had to fetch and compile the mantis tree but it worked as a charm on first trial on stock intrepid with build-essential&the rest of the deal | 18:04 |
| laga | if it's not even in v4l-dvb yet then changes are probably slim | 18:04 |
| laga | maybe it'd be possible to cherry-pick certain (new) device drivers | 18:04 |
| laga | but that's just my opinion ;) | 18:05 |
| * Bor_Ed is long time linux user and spotted the lack of feat in current ubu... servers still stay on debian, sorry :D | 18:05 | |
| Bor_Ed | afaik, mantis is getting merged to v4l-dvb at some point in the future, the prob is though that currently v4l-dvb kernel driver doesn't support much more than couple of dvb-s decoders | 18:06 |
| Bor_Ed | <RANT> and ati binary driver still refuses to build so I could have DRI </RANT> | 18:16 |
| BenB | hi... I'm trying to install the latest Linus kernel. I have the kernel compiled, but can't get an initrd generated. | 20:09 |
| BenB | I would really like to avoid make-kpkg and creating and installing deb packges. lacking another way that I knew of, I tried that, and it doesn't work.... | 20:09 |
| BenB | first, the -append-kernel-version freaks out on the -rc5 plus my -foo | 20:10 |
| BenB | so, I dropped that | 20:10 |
| BenB | second, it aborts with "arch/xen/ not found". well, yes, that dir does not exist in latest kernels. why does it have to try to build a Xen kernel? I just want an initrd! | 20:11 |
| BenB | so, I pass --arch "x86_64", but then it fails with "I do not know where the kernel image goes to [kimagedest undefined] ... Please specify a subarch, and try again.." | 20:11 |
| BenB | I am stuck | 20:11 |
| BenB | nevermind the last one. I accidentially passed "x86" as arch | 20:12 |
| BenB | it still trips over the -rc5, though, even without --append-kernel-version | 20:13 |
| BenB | I had to clean everything and rebuild from scratch. that'll take almost 1h *sigh* | 20:14 |
| BenB | is there any way to create an initrd without make-kpkg? that takes 20 minutes for me *without* any code or config changes. i.e. first make-kpkg takes 1h20m, second (directly afterwards) takes half an hour (!). creating in initrd takes seconds (e.g. on suse). | 22:06 |
| mjg59 | BenB: mkinitramfs | 22:07 |
| BenB | mjg59: thanks! | 22:07 |
| BenB | (I wish I'd have known that 2 hours earlier) | 22:07 |
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