[07:23] <tjaalton> is there an ETA for the .27-3 kernel?
[14:32] <cropalato>  sorry for the newbie question. Where can some one get info about become a kernel developer?
[14:50] <CarlFK> smb_tp: amd64 - if i installed just that (so not apps/modules) would it help any?
[14:50] <CarlFK> i wouldn't have network, and maybe even no shell, so I wouldn't be able to upload logs
[14:51] <CarlFK> but I would be able to see if it pauses at the same point 
[14:51] <smb_tp> CarlFK, It is just the same code just amd64 version for some others to test. So I don't expect a different behaviour.
[14:51] <CarlFK> figured as much
[14:52] <smb_tp> CarlFK, Sure you can try. If that works, then maybe there is a 32/64 bit problem lurking
[14:56] <CarlFK> smb_tp: cat /proc/cpuinfo model name	: AMD Turion(tm) 64 X2 Mobile Technology TL-60
[14:56] <CarlFK> dpkg: error processing linux-image-2.6.27-3-generic_2.6.27-3.3smb5_amd64.deb (--install):
[14:56] <CarlFK>  package architecture (amd64) does not match system (i386)
[14:56] <CarlFK> guessing it is looking at the current .. um... os
[14:58] <smb_tp> CarlFK, Oh yeah. It looks at you installed architecture. You can force it but all your binaries are 32 bit so this probably won't work
[14:59] <CarlFK> all we need is for it to boot, not ... um;  be usefull, right ?
[15:01] <smb_tp> CarlFK, At some point the ramdisk takes over and that would be 32bit stuff (i don't think there is biarch support), so it might not get very far...
[15:04] <CarlFK> um.. magic happend
[15:05] <CarlFK> carl@dv67:~$ uname -a
[15:05] <CarlFK> Linux dv67 2.6.27-3-generic #1 SMP Mon Sep 8 22:51:51 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[15:05] <CarlFK> shell, network...
[15:05] <smb_tp> CarlFK, Oh right, should probably have more confidence in biarch support then. :)
[15:06] <CarlFK> [    0.000000] Command line: root=UUID=270934eb-b4c5-4f17-87e4-8ebea9d98ed3 ro highres=off nohz=off vga=6 
[15:06] <CarlFK> no pauses - what params do you want ?
[15:06] <smb_tp> CarlFK, ok, that combination has worked with i386 kernel too
[15:07] <CarlFK> yes
[15:07] <smb_tp> CarlFK, without "highres=off nohz=off" with "apic=debug debug" 
[15:08] <smb_tp> CarlFK, Only need to know whether this stops or not. Logs/dmesg only if it happens to _not_ pause
[15:08] <CarlFK> ok
[15:08] <CarlFK> what is this biarch support?
[15:09] <CarlFK> it paused. at least it isn't a surprise :)
[15:10] <smb_tp> Ok, so in this case i don't need anything more at the moment
[15:22] <doko> rtg, BenC: apparently neither gcc-4.1 and gcc-4.2 is needed to build kernels in intrepid on community ports. is this correct?
[15:24] <rtg> doko: dunno. I've yet to look at the community ports packages.
[15:24] <rtg> doko: Ben is on vacation this week.
[15:33] <timbba> Hello. I have Ubuntu Hardy kernel 2.6.24-21. This kernel is buggy and I know that > 2.6.25 kernels work with my machine. How can I get newer kernel to Hardy and all necessary packages (linux-ubuntu-modules, linux-headers and linux-image)? Some packages are missing from Intrepid and PPA  repositories..
[15:34] <CarlFK> timbba: not 'best' but good enough: wget http://people.ubuntu.com/~smb/bug254668/linux-image-2.6.27-3-generic_2.6.27-3.3smb5_i386.deb  dpkg -i <that>
[15:34] <rtg> timbba: try the kernel PPA at http://ppa.launchpad.net/kernel-ppa/ubuntu
[15:35] <timbba> I have tried already PPA kernels.. there are no ubuntu-modules packages, so my wifi isn't working
[15:36] <rtg> timbba: 2.6.27 has LUM folded into the package, so LUM is no longer needed.
[15:36] <timbba> So I can get kernel packages, but how about those modules for my wifi card (Zydas based)
[15:36] <rtg> timbba: if they aren't in the 2.6.27 package, then they are not supported.
[15:38] <timbba> oh god.. so nobody can't get Zydas wifi to work?
[15:38] <rtg> I can't remember. you'll have to look in the kernel source for 2.6.27-rc5
[15:39] <amitk> timbba: what card is it?
[15:40] <timbba> edup something :)
[15:41] <timbba> timbba@media-timbuktu ~ $ dmesg | grep zd
[15:41] <timbba> [   32.583130] zd1211rw 2-2:1.0: eth0
[15:41] <timbba> [   32.583145] usbcore: registered new interface driver zd1211rw
[15:41] <timbba> [  165.221220] zd1211rw 2-2:1.0: firmware version 4605
[15:41] <timbba> [  165.261183] zd1211rw 2-2:1.0: zd1211 chip 079b:004a v4330 high 00-60-b3 AL2230_RF pa0 g----
[15:41] <amitk> timbba: that doesn't help a lot
[15:41] <timbba> timbba@media-timbuktu ~ $ lsusb
[15:41] <timbba> Bus 002 Device 002: ID 079b:004a Sagem 
[15:42] <amitk> timbba: is it in http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/zd1211rw/devices?
[15:43] <timbba> yes it is: Sagem  	XG760A  	zd1211  	079b  	004a  	AL2230
[15:47] <amitk> timbba: then please file a bug in launchpad describing how the device is not working. From a quick glance, it looks like intrepid's 2.6.27-based kernel should have support for it. No separate modules needed.
[15:48] <timbba> it doesn't find the firmware.. that is the problem. The card itself is recognized
[15:49] <CarlFK> timbba: that would be the "describing how the device is not working"
[15:49] <timbba> ok :)
[15:49] <amitk> timbba: 'ls -l /lib/firmware'
[15:49] <timbba> how about copying firmware from previous kernel?
[15:50] <amitk> timbba: exactly... :)
[15:50] <timbba> oh.. I have already removed 2.6.27 kernel so there is just...
[15:50] <timbba>  ls -la /lib/firmware/
[15:50] <timbba> total 12
[15:50] <timbba> drwxr-xr-x  3 root root 4096 2008-09-09 17:21 .
[15:50] <timbba> drwxr-xr-x 15 root root 4096 2008-09-09 17:20 ..
[15:50] <timbba> drwxr-xr-x  3 root root 4096 2008-09-02 05:51 2.6.24-21-generic
[15:51] <timbba> but I will give it a try.. I'll copy the firmware after I have reinstalled the kernel... Let's see what happens
[15:52] <amitk> rtg: I forget why we moved from /lib/firmware/<kernel version>/* to /lib/firmware/*. And do our packages handle that transition?
[15:55] <rtg> amitk: Ben's contention was that firmware didn't change enough to bother keeping separate copies per ABI. For most drivers that's probably true. I assume upgrades are handled, but I've not a dist-upgrade in a bit (since FireFox didn't work on some web sites, I went back to Hardy)
[16:03] <amitk> probably a good idea
[17:01] <pgraner> Hello Everyone... I'm standing in for BenC today (he is on holiday) for the Weekly Kernel IRC Meeting.
[17:02] <pgraner> ogasawara: Can you tell us how we are looking wrt to 2.6.27?
[17:03] <pgraner> [Link Regressions https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bugs?field.tag=regression-2.6.27 ]
[17:03] <ogasawara> pgraner: from my point of view I think we are looking quite good with the move to 2.6.27
[17:04] <ogasawara> pgraner: there are the noted list of regressions (link above) but I have gotten good feedback from a handful of those bugs that they will be resolved with the next kernel we release
[17:04] <pgraner> Looks like we are sitting at about 30 regressions, with most of them having fixes upstream or plans to get them fixed soon.
[17:04] <ogasawara> pgraner: for example the suspend/resume issues should hopefully go away
[17:04] <pgraner> ogasawara: great
[17:05] <ogasawara> pgraner: some of the boot failures will look to also be resolved
[17:05] <pgraner> ogasawara: we are sitting at about 70 bugs fixed by 2.6.27 
[17:05] <pgraner> [LINK https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bugs?field.tag=fixed-2.6.27]
[17:05] <ogasawara> pgraner: yup, so if we stuck with 2.6.26 we'd have to consider most of those unresolved then
[17:06] <pgraner> So far the feeling of the kernel team is that there are no real show stoppers and that we are on track for GO decision on the 14th per [LINK https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/2.6.27-kernel-plan]
[17:07] <pgraner> rtg: is looking at RaLink RT2860 LP# 210725 issues
[17:07] <pgraner> s/rtg:/rtg/
[17:07] <tjaalton> when will -3 be uploaded?
[17:08] <rtg> tjaalton: as soon as -rc6 is in the can.
[17:08] <tjaalton> rtg: ah, thanks
[17:09] <pgraner> anyone from the kernel team have anything to add?
[17:09] <rtg> pgraner: I think it's Stefan thats looking inti the RaLink driver stuff. He built a DKMS package IIRC.
[17:10] <pgraner> rtg: ah, correct for some reason I had you down for it. I guess I'm trying to give you too much to do...
[17:10] <rtg> I'm going to start putting some of the DKMS packages on the kernel PPA, so that they are semi-official
[17:10] <pgraner> correction smb_tp will be looking at the RaLink RT2860 LP# 210725 issues
[17:11] <pgraner> Any questions?
[17:12] <pgraner> Ok I guess we'll call this meeting over for today. If anyone has questions or follow up questions you can post them here and I will answer or you can email me at pgraner@canonical.com.
[17:12] <pgraner> thanks!
[17:16] <johanbr> I've been bitten by a usb bug which has existed upstream since 2.6.25 and which prevents me from connecting to my Motorola phone. A patch exists, but is not yet accepted upstream. Is there any chance this patch could go in?
[17:16] <laga> johanbr: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/linux/+bug/263217 ?
[17:19] <johanbr> laga: Probably not. 2.6.24 works fine for me, but later kernels don't, which is the opposite of what's stated in that bug report.
[17:20] <johanbr> There's a discussion archived at http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.usb.general/8532
[17:21] <laga> there's a test PPA
[17:22] <laga> maybe you can try that kernel
[17:22] <laga> the problem sounds familiar ;)
[17:25] <johanbr> I doubt it'll work, but I could try.
[17:54] <Bor_Ed> evening. is it too late to request v4l-dvb/mantis driver to be included for intrepid yet? the driver gives ~270 dvb card and stick drivers available and builds currently without issues on 8.10
[17:58] <laga> 270 *new* dvb boards?
[17:58] <CarlFK> Bor_Ed: is 270 a count or a model number?
[17:59] <Bor_Ed> module count
[17:59] <Bor_Ed> including frontend, jingles and bells
[18:00] <laga> and how is it different from the v4l-dvb tree included in the current kernel?
[18:00] <Bor_Ed> doesn't support the dvb-c or dvb-t devices around europe that well
[18:01] <laga> so you're basically suggesting that the kernel devs should include regressions? ;)
[18:02] <Bor_Ed> well, I was pointed to here from #ubuntu-devel since the driver level stuff belongs to you guys (I heard, no pun)
[18:03]  * laga is not a kernel dev, just for the record
[18:03] <Bor_Ed> I read that mantis is getting to v4l-dvb kernel tree but not in time for release of 8.10
[18:03] <laga> but as one of the mythbuntu guys, i'm interested in better DVB support
[18:04] <Bor_Ed> I had to fetch and compile the mantis tree but it worked as a charm on first trial on stock intrepid with build-essential&the rest of the deal
[18:04] <laga> if it's not even in v4l-dvb yet then changes are probably slim
[18:04] <laga> maybe it'd be possible to cherry-pick certain (new) device drivers
[18:05] <laga> but that's just my opinion ;)
[18:05]  * Bor_Ed is long time linux user and spotted the lack of feat in current ubu... servers still stay on debian, sorry :D
[18:06] <Bor_Ed> afaik, mantis is getting merged to v4l-dvb at some point in the future, the prob is though that currently v4l-dvb kernel driver doesn't support much more than couple of dvb-s decoders
[18:16] <Bor_Ed> <RANT> and ati binary driver still refuses to build so I could have DRI </RANT>
[20:09] <BenB> hi... I'm trying to install the latest Linus kernel. I have the kernel compiled, but can't get an initrd generated.
[20:09] <BenB> I would really like to avoid make-kpkg and creating and installing deb packges. lacking another way that I knew of, I tried that, and it doesn't work....
[20:10] <BenB> first,  the -append-kernel-version freaks out on the -rc5 plus my -foo
[20:10] <BenB> so, I dropped that
[20:11] <BenB> second, it aborts with "arch/xen/ not found". well, yes, that dir does not exist in latest kernels. why does it have to try to build a Xen kernel? I just want an initrd!
[20:11] <BenB> so, I pass --arch "x86_64", but then it fails with "I do not know where the kernel image goes to [kimagedest undefined] ... Please specify a subarch, and try again.."
[20:11] <BenB> I am stuck
[20:12] <BenB> nevermind the last one. I accidentially passed "x86" as arch
[20:13] <BenB> it still trips over the -rc5, though, even without --append-kernel-version
[20:14] <BenB> I had to clean everything and rebuild from scratch. that'll take almost 1h *sigh*
[22:06] <BenB> is there any way to create an initrd without make-kpkg? that takes 20 minutes for me *without* any code or config changes. i.e. first make-kpkg takes 1h20m, second (directly afterwards) takes half an hour (!). creating in initrd takes seconds (e.g. on suse).
[22:07] <mjg59> BenB: mkinitramfs
[22:07] <BenB> mjg59: thanks!
[22:07] <BenB> (I wish I'd have known that 2 hours earlier)