| apachelogger | heya mhb | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| NCommander | Riddell, I thought I uploaded kdenetwork | 00:00 |
| NCommander | Oh, it rejected | 00:00 |
| NCommander | since distribution == hardy-backports | 00:01 |
| NCommander | er, hardy-proposed | 00:01 |
| Riddell | there's a 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy2 | 00:01 |
| NCommander | Strange | 00:01 |
| NCommander | Oh | 00:01 |
| NCommander | Damn it | 00:01 |
| * NCommander hits head | 00:01 | |
| NCommander | I did the fix on both 9 and 10 | 00:01 |
| NCommander | The 10 superseeded the 9 before the former built due to the PPA backlog last night | 00:01 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: update-notifer-kde is import-erroring again | 00:02 |
| mhb | hey apachelogger | 00:03 |
| NCommander | Riddell, so yeah, whoops | 00:03 |
| seele | mhb: hi! | 00:06 |
| mhb | hi seele, quite some corrections on the mailing list :o) | 00:07 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: n'yarg | 00:08 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: if you want to change the bugs thing, go ahead, or let me know what I have to do | 00:09 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: please make me admin for kubuntu-team | 00:09 |
| apachelogger | I am creating kubuntu-bugs and replace kubuntu-team as bug team | 00:10 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: done | 00:10 |
| apachelogger | thanks | 00:11 |
| NCommander | Riddell & apachelogger kdelibs is building in my PPA | 00:12 |
| NCommander | Correction | 00:13 |
| NCommander | kdelibs FTBFS in my PPA | 00:13 |
| Riddell | :( | 00:13 |
| NCommander | wow | 00:13 |
| NCommander | Something went really really wrong ... | 00:13 |
| NCommander | O_o; | 00:13 |
| NCommander | Anyway, brb | 00:13 |
| NCommander | scratch the brb | 00:13 |
| seele | mhb: no one could agree when the meeting was | 00:15 |
| seele | last time i'm going to be organized | 00:15 |
| NCommander | Riddell, how much work does a new port of Ubuntu involve on the Canonical side of things? | 00:16 |
| Riddell | NCommander: a new arch? the machines need put into the data centre by the sysadmins and then it's up to the arch maintainer to make it work | 00:17 |
| Riddell | which I imagine involves lots of fiddy bootstrapping | 00:17 |
| NCommander | Riddell, I thought some ports were, at least initally, hosted outside the data center (i.e. hppa) | 00:17 |
| Riddell | not sure on that one, I thought it was in the data centre | 00:18 |
| Riddell | it'll need hooked up to launchpad certainly | 00:18 |
| NCommander | Riddell, mostly because I want to do a mips port, and a ppc64 port | 00:18 |
| NCommander | (well, armel too, but someone else already with doing it) | 00:18 |
| NCommander | The MIPS port can be bootstrapped off the Debian port rather easily | 00:18 |
| Riddell | NCommander: do you have such machines? | 00:19 |
| NCommander | MIPS yes, ppc64, soonish | 00:19 |
| NCommander | (also armel, yes) | 00:19 |
| apachelogger | https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-bugs | 00:19 |
| apachelogger | weak | 00:19 |
| NCommander | My MIPS box is too slow to be a full buildd | 00:19 |
| NCommander | Riddell, what I was hoping to do is provide enough packages that someone could debootstrap mips in the data center (if that's what was required), and then set of the LP foo | 00:20 |
| NCommander | *setup | 00:23 |
| * NCommander wants Ubuntu available on the full range of hardware Debian works and has ports on | 00:23 | |
| apachelogger | Oo | 00:23 |
| NCommander | And as an answer to your next question | 00:23 |
| apachelogger | that is one big mission | 00:23 |
| NCommander | I've used all Debian ports expect s390, and alpha | 00:23 |
| NCommander | (that includes hurd-i386, and kfreebsd-*) | 00:24 |
| * apachelogger would like to have that many machines :P | 00:24 | |
| NCommander | apachelogger, I usually just rip apart embedded hardware to run the port | 00:24 |
| apachelogger | ic | 00:24 |
| NCommander | My MIPS box is a canobized router, my ARM was a NAS | 00:25 |
| NCommander | THe PowerPC was my mac | 00:25 |
| neversfelde | is armel for nokias tablet devices? | 00:25 |
| NCommander | m68k was an emulator | 00:25 |
| NCommander | neversfelde, yes | 00:25 |
| NCommander | (its armel now) | 00:25 |
| NCommander | hurd-i386, and kfreebsd-* was real hardware | 00:25 |
| neversfelde | NCommander: I installed KDE3 on my n800, was fun, but nothing more | 00:26 |
| NCommander | neversfelde, what are the specs of the Nokia tablets? | 00:26 |
| NCommander | My ARM box is 266Mhz/32MB RAM | 00:26 |
| NCommander | If I just had more ram, we'd have Ubuntu armel | 00:26 |
| NCommander | wow, $150 | 00:27 |
| NCommander | We might just have a winner, at 252/64MB | 00:27 |
| NCommander | I want to see netbook remix on an arm box | 00:28 |
| neversfelde | uh, I do not know. It was a present and is my only GTK device. Shows some rss feeds and weather right of my desk :D | 00:28 |
| * NCommander thinks Riddell ran away in porting fear | 00:28 | |
| Riddell | NCommander: well, I'm about to run off to bed. I don't know anything about porting though I'm afraid, I'd expect lamont would be a good person to talk to | 00:30 |
| NCommander | Riddell, who can upload kdelibs for me then ;-) | 00:30 |
| Riddell | NCommander: ScottK? or me in the morning | 00:31 |
| NCommander | Ok, cool. I'm going to likely buy this tablet | 00:31 |
| NCommander | It gives me something to port Ubuntu too ... | 00:31 |
| NCommander | *to | 00:31 |
| apachelogger | neversfelde: patch it :P | 00:34 |
| * NCommander turns on the ScottK light | 00:34 | |
| neversfelde | NCommander: n800 is old. All KDE people do have n810 cause nokia gave it away for free at akademy. Probably you shoul ask nokia for a device :D | 00:35 |
| neversfelde | apachelogger: weather applet is broken for several weeks now, I think I should do ;) | 00:35 |
| apachelogger | hm | 00:36 |
| apachelogger | actually | 00:36 |
| NCommander | d'oh | 00:36 |
| * apachelogger needs to get an n810 | 00:36 | |
| NCommander | Well, if someone will give me SSH access to their device for a few hours ;-)? | 00:36 |
| apachelogger | lol | 00:36 |
| NCommander | how much do n810's run? | 00:37 |
| NCommander | $438.00 | 00:37 |
| NCommander | OW | 00:37 |
| NCommander | MY WALLET | 00:37 |
| NCommander | I could use my existing arm hardware to bootstrap | 00:38 |
| NCommander | apachelogger, can you test to make sure my patch builds on i386? | 00:39 |
| NCommander | (I'm rebuilding it in pbuilder) | 00:39 |
| apachelogger | yes | 00:39 |
| neversfelde | there is a project which aims to run qtopia on nokia tablets | 00:39 |
| apachelogger | NCommander: you could do some KDE programming, get on planet kde, make everyone think you are uber important and then ask nokia for a n810 ;) | 00:40 |
| NCommander | THat means I need to learn Qt | 00:40 |
| apachelogger | learning Qt is not exactly difficult | 00:41 |
| NCommander | They said that about COBOL | 00:41 |
| apachelogger | c++ is the awful about it :P | 00:41 |
| apachelogger | ♥ rubyqt | 00:41 |
| NCommander | apachelogger, http://pastebin.ca/1198675 | 00:41 |
| NCommander | apachelogger, my patchs tend to be amazingly small ;-) | 00:41 |
| apachelogger | lol | 00:42 |
| NCommander | apachelogger, OTOH http://launchpadlibrarian.net/17471845/kdenetwork.debdiff | 00:43 |
| * NCommander watchs your brain melt | 00:43 | |
| apachelogger | I hate patches :P | 00:43 |
| NCommander | :-) | 00:43 |
| neversfelde | I hate this hp-systray applet | 00:52 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: omg, kubuntu-team has oxygen icon | 00:59 |
| apachelogger | ♥ tango | 00:59 |
| JontheEchidna | I lol'd | 00:59 |
| apachelogger | again?! | 01:00 |
| JontheEchidna | lol | 01:00 |
| JontheEchidna | howsabout "I rofl'd"? | 01:00 |
| apachelogger | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingKubuntu | 01:02 |
| apachelogger | ugly | 01:02 |
| apachelogger | no | 01:02 |
| apachelogger | UGLY! | 01:02 |
| JontheEchidna | aside from having HelpingKubuntu at the top twice it doesn't look too bad... | 01:04 |
| apachelogger | Oo | 01:07 |
| apachelogger | seriously | 01:07 |
| apachelogger | I wouldn't want to read that | 01:07 |
| seele | neversfelde: afaik the n800 and n810 are nearly identical hardware except for the gps | 01:07 |
| neversfelde | seele: I think n810 has a real keyboard too | 01:08 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: needs more screenie? | 01:08 |
| apachelogger | more of everything | 01:09 |
| JontheEchidna | well, I made a few edits | 01:09 |
| JontheEchidna | lol: "Here are some tools that are developed by Kubuntu devs: " | 01:11 |
| JontheEchidna | then, nothing | 01:11 |
| apachelogger | yah | 01:12 |
| apachelogger | more of everything | 01:12 |
| apachelogger | "We are a community project and always need help." | 01:14 |
| apachelogger | that sounds "My name is Bob, I am 38 and I am looking for a woman...." | 01:15 |
| JontheEchidna | We are the blue-headed stepchild of Ubuntu and always need halp | 01:16 |
| yuriy | ooh JontheEchidna did you get bug privs? | 01:19 |
| JontheEchidna | yuriy: ya | 01:19 |
| yuriy | nice | 01:19 |
| yuriy | btw, have you had a chance to do anything else with userconfig? | 01:19 |
| JontheEchidna | much to apachelogger's inbox's dismay | 01:19 |
| yuriy | sorry, I've been too busy to touch any kubuntu stuff lately | 01:19 |
| JontheEchidna | uh, basically all the dialogs for user management use ui files | 01:20 |
| JontheEchidna | I did a bit of work on the add/modify dialog for groups the other day | 01:20 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot101.png | 01:28 |
| JontheEchidna | my eyes! naked GTK! | 01:28 |
| JontheEchidna | ...but nice blue icon | 01:28 |
| JontheEchidna | makes up for raleigh | 01:28 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: didn't we use that bug for experimental as well? | 01:31 |
| JontheEchidna | huh? | 01:31 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, no | 01:31 |
| apachelogger | indeed | 01:31 |
| JontheEchidna | we used the red security shield | 01:32 |
| apachelogger | https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team | 01:32 |
| JontheEchidna | Heh, "Almost kubuntu bugs" | 01:36 |
| JontheEchidna | did you know there's a guy with the username kubuntu-bugs? | 01:37 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: yes | 01:38 |
| apachelogger | that's why the team is only almost | 01:38 |
| JontheEchidna | nice... | 01:39 |
| neversfelde | klicking on akregators tray icon does not open kontact. Do you know if this is a known bug? | 01:39 |
| apachelogger | I hope to find a lp admin to get that dood to use another name | 01:39 |
| apachelogger | otherwise we will have to go with kubuntu-bugs-team | 01:39 |
| neversfelde | + bug | 01:39 |
| apachelogger | neversfelde: what does it open? | 01:39 |
| neversfelde | apachelogger: nothing | 01:39 |
| apachelogger | that is very strange | 01:39 |
| apachelogger | are you sure the window is not just on some other desktop? | 01:40 |
| JontheEchidna | kubuntu-bugteam? | 01:40 |
| JontheEchidna | kubuntu-bugsquad? | 01:40 |
| NCommander | apachelogger, did you build my kdelibs patch? | 01:40 |
| neversfelde | it works standalone | 01:40 |
| apachelogger | pbuilder-time-stamp: 1221006719 | 01:41 |
| apachelogger | NCommander: build without problems | 01:41 |
| apachelogger | neversfelde: I recommend reporting at bugs.kde.org | 01:41 |
| NCommander | apachelogger, you got a fast box | 01:41 |
| apachelogger | neversfelde: our kdepim reports are a gigantic mess | 01:41 |
| neversfelde | apachelogger: will do | 01:41 |
| apachelogger | NCommander: would be faster if I could have used cluster compiling ;-) | 01:41 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: kdebase is twice as big | 01:42 |
| JontheEchidna | and even that's been cut back considerably from the start of this cycle | 01:42 |
| apachelogger | not as much duplicated stuff though | 01:42 |
| apachelogger | most reports in kdepim go like - kmail looses X or imap is broken because of Y | 01:42 |
| neversfelde | ohh, bugs.kde.org is hard work :( | 01:44 |
| apachelogger | Oo | 01:44 |
| apachelogger | you have no idea what triaging with bugzilla is like | 01:44 |
| * apachelogger shudders | 01:44 | |
| neversfelde | hehe | 01:44 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: can you subscribe almost bugs to kdebase-workspace? | 01:44 |
| JontheEchidna | how does one subscribe a team to a package? | 01:45 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace | 01:46 |
| apachelogger | top right box | 01:46 |
| apachelogger | subscribe to bug mail | 01:46 |
| JontheEchidna | I can only subscribe myself | 01:47 |
| apachelogger | hm | 01:47 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: jr needs to make you an admin | 01:48 |
| * apachelogger can't | 01:48 | |
| JontheEchidna | so are bugs really supposed to be assigned to the team? | 01:48 |
| * JontheEchidna doesn't see the point | 01:48 | |
| apachelogger | no | 01:49 |
| apachelogger | only subscribed | 01:49 |
| apachelogger | https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-bugs | 01:49 |
| apachelogger | signing up to that list should get one all the kubuntu related bugs right away | 01:49 |
| apachelogger | so we need to make sure almost bugs is subscribed to at least all core packages | 01:50 |
| NCommander | ScottK, poke? | 01:51 |
| JontheEchidna | going through the deps of kubuntu-desktop should do the trick | 01:51 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: bug 264643 | 01:53 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 264643 in kmldonkey "no icons in kmldonkey when using Kubuntu 8.10" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/264643 | 01:53 |
| apachelogger | what do you think about that fix? | 01:53 |
| JontheEchidna | uh | 01:55 |
| JontheEchidna | shouldn't kmldonkey get fixed, instead of this workaround? | 01:55 |
| apachelogger | ♥ JontheEchidna | 01:56 |
| neversfelde | mhh | 01:59 |
| neversfelde | kmldonkey is fully unusable | 01:59 |
| JontheEchidna | If you were to fix it, you'd want to patch the source to generate the icons properly | 01:59 |
| neversfelde | you can search, but there is no download overview page | 02:00 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: do you want to provide a better fix or should I command him to give it a try? | 02:01 |
| apachelogger | neversfelde: no one really uses that thing anyway :P | 02:01 |
| neversfelde | apachelogger: never | 02:01 |
| * JontheEchidna doesn't want to touch it :P | 02:01 | |
| apachelogger | meh | 02:01 |
| apachelogger | http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot102.png | 02:03 |
| neversfelde | well, it is the only torrent client - server system. Isn't it? | 02:03 |
| apachelogger | that was short fun -.- | 02:03 |
| apachelogger | neversfelde: dunno | 02:03 |
| apachelogger | don't care either :P | 02:03 |
| neversfelde | think so | 02:03 |
| neversfelde | hehe | 02:03 |
| apachelogger | http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot103.png | 02:04 |
| apachelogger | I like the icon though | 02:04 |
| neversfelde | I took a look at it and ad no idea how to fix. I need a teacher :D | 02:06 |
| apachelogger | hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm | 02:06 |
| neversfelde | time to sleep. n8 everybody | 02:06 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: does that thing start for you? | 02:07 |
| * NCommander is away (Hiding from apachelogger) | 02:07 | |
| apachelogger | neversfelde: nini | 02:07 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: when I tested it for my initial comment, it started | 02:07 |
| === freeflyi1g is now known as freeflying | ||
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: for some reason it installs in the wrong directory here | 02:11 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: http://websvn.kde.org/?view=rev&revision=859317 :P | 02:21 |
| JontheEchidna | hehe | 02:21 |
| jjesse | evening | 02:36 |
| apachelogger | kde rev 859317 | 02:55 |
| ubottu | http://websvn.kde.org/?rev=859317&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde -r 859317 | 02:55 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: look at that goodness ^ | 02:55 |
| * apachelogger hands stdin a ☕ | 02:55 | |
| JontheEchidna | I know, I used it earlier today. ^_^ | 02:55 |
| * stdin has ReadyBrek and is happy | 02:56 | |
| * JontheEchidna hands stdin a ☕ too | 02:56 | |
| apachelogger | hm | 03:08 |
| apachelogger | 50% of batpaste done | 03:08 |
| apachelogger | well | 03:08 |
| apachelogger | maybe more like 40 | 03:08 |
| apachelogger | 4am already | 03:08 |
| apachelogger | omg | 03:08 |
| apachelogger | http://paste.ubuntu.com//45135/ | 03:14 |
| apachelogger | http://aplg.kollide.net/screencasts/batpaste-1.ogg | 03:26 |
| yuriy | turning the globe over in marble is a good way to make you dizzy | 06:23 |
| mornfall | Re. | 07:30 |
| mornfall | Riddell: I don't have much idea about KProcess (that's part of the reason I avoided doing it that way...). | 07:30 |
| NCommander | Riddell, are you awake? | 08:03 |
| mornfall | Riddell: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=170788 | 10:07 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 170788 in general "Update exits with a error" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 10:07 |
| mornfall | Riddell: Is that the same that you have seen wrt. HAL upgrades? | 10:08 |
| Riddell | I had an issue with HAL upgrades? | 10:15 |
| Riddell | NCommander: yes | 10:19 |
| NCommander | Riddell, I tested kdelibs on amd64, seems to work, but I don't know a good way to abuse it | 10:21 |
| NCommander | (the fix from lastnight) | 10:21 |
| Riddell | NCommander: what's the fix? | 10:21 |
| NCommander | Riddell, that was the one where kdelibs FTBFS on amd64 in intrepid | 10:21 |
| NCommander | I also tested kdelibs on lpia (the SRU), also seems to work, also no idea how to abuse it, but granted since its always FTBFS, I can say its an improvement no matter how you look at it | 10:22 |
| Riddell | NCommander: what's the fix? | 10:23 |
| NCommander | Riddell, on amd64, I disabled inotifity optimization; changes in the kernel header and glibc was causing the FTBFS (bug filed on that conflict since that should be resolved, but the change will probably take awhile to land) | 10:24 |
| NCommander | As for lpia, the PPP interface has a managed header | 10:24 |
| NCommander | (corrected in intrepid) | 10:24 |
| NCommander | *mangled header | 10:25 |
| NCommander | I fixed that by having it use the glibc PPP headers instead | 10:26 |
| NCommander | Riddell, as a second aside, your in Ubuntu Drivers, right? | 10:27 |
| mornfall | Riddell: In Adept, I recall.. | 10:30 |
| mornfall | Same weird post-install failure that I couldn't relate. | 10:30 |
| mornfall | I think you resolved it by not using kdesudo but sudo. Which is, umm, weird. | 10:30 |
| NCommander | Riddell, https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team- mind adding me to this team? | 10:34 |
| Riddell | NCommander: disabling inotify optimisation or disabling inotify at all? | 10:45 |
| NCommander | Riddell, it was --disable-inotify, the entire header is screwed up | 10:46 |
| NCommander | Riddell, it falls back to dnotify which is still faster then the other fallback code it has | 10:46 |
| NCommander | Riddell, I suspect the issue will crop up on the buildds once they are updated. I was able to confirm the header issues between glibc 2.8 and linux-headers 2.6.27 will crop up on i386 and lpia since the file that breaks the build (asm-generic/fctnl.h and bits/fnctl.h) are generic across all architectures as fara sI can tell | 10:49 |
| Riddell | so we disable it for now, wait for someone to fix it then re-enable it | 10:50 |
| NCommander | Riddell, pretty much, I have an outstanding bug on glibc and linux-headers | 10:51 |
| NCommander | Riddell, and I noted as such that this issue needs to be resolved in the headers, not in kdelibs | 10:51 |
| NCommander | s/kdelibs/kdenetwork/g (on lpia) | 10:53 |
| NCommander | Riddell, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork/+bug/267991 - I tested to make sure kppp opens, but I have no modem which to test with | 10:53 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 267991 in kdenetwork "kdenetwork FTBFS on lpia" [Wishlist,Fix committed] | 10:53 |
| NCommander | Riddell, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glibc/+bug/268311 - the headers issue | 10:55 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 268311 in glibc "Mismatch on flock/flock64 between glibc/linux-headers" [Undecided,New] | 10:55 |
| Riddell | NCommander: so, where's this kdelibs patch? | 12:15 |
| Riddell | NCommander: I'm not in Ubuntu Drivers | 12:21 |
| Riddell | NCommander: why do you want to be added to kubuntu-team? it's obsolete | 12:21 |
| Riddell | mornfall: upgrading hal through kdesudo adept leads to it getting stuck for me http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/adept.png | 12:31 |
| mornfall | That's weird. And without kdesudo? | 12:33 |
| Riddell | mornfall: trying now | 12:33 |
| mornfall | (Btw, yes, I forgot about those icons. But you can now edit the desktop files yourself and I'll pull the patch, would that work? Well, if not, it's still in the TODO. :) | 12:34 |
| Riddell | mornfall: with sudo I don't get that problem | 12:35 |
| Riddell | humph to kdesudo | 12:35 |
| mornfall | Riddell: Does it break in any other way or it just works? | 12:35 |
| mornfall | Riddell: Moreover, could you try downgrading again, stopping hald and then trying with kdesudo? Or alternatively, ensure hald runs and try with sudo again? | 12:37 |
| mornfall | Riddell: It might be that it failed to come up and it's not really related to sudo/kdesudo but to hald running or not running. | 12:37 |
| Riddell | mornfall: downgrade, stop hal, kdesudo adept, upgrade hal, still gets stuck | 12:49 |
| mornfall | Aye. | 12:52 |
| mornfall | So we have an interesting case of bad interaction somewhere. | 12:52 |
| mornfall | I assume downgrade, sudo adept, upgrade hal -> works? | 12:52 |
| mornfall | Let me try here. | 12:53 |
| Riddell | mornfall: works for me | 12:53 |
| Riddell | I have no problem with giving up on kdesudo for adept :) | 12:53 |
| mornfall | There's no recent kdesudo in Debian it seems -- the one that's there wants to drag kdelibs4c2a in, and its version says 2.4-1. | 12:55 |
| mornfall | Riddell: Me neither, but we need a way to run it nevertheless... | 12:55 |
| mornfall | And kdesu is not going to work, is it? | 12:55 |
| Riddell | it might | 12:55 |
| mornfall | But, kdesu is now a library, so used somewhere inside the runFooByDesktopBar machinery... | 12:56 |
| mornfall | Or so I believe. | 12:57 |
| Riddell | mornfall: it's /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kdesu.distrib | 12:57 |
| Riddell | which is a dpkg-divert from /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kdesu caused by kdesudo | 12:57 |
| Riddell | mornfall: running adept with that and upgrading hal works fine | 12:58 |
| Riddell | where's Tonio to harras when you need him :) | 12:58 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: merges need a FFe, don't they? | 12:58 |
| mornfall | Oh. Interesting. | 12:58 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: if it has new features yes | 12:58 |
| apachelogger | k, thanks | 12:58 |
| JontheEchidna | good morning | 13:00 |
| mornfall | JontheEchidna: Hi. Are you sure that your patch doesn't cause any regressions? It seems to me that some of those commented out bits you reenabled might have served a purpose... (or was it just Yuriy's appearance change?). | 13:00 |
| apachelogger | morning JontheEchidna | 13:01 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: did you actually upload my kdebase-workspace change from yesterday? | 13:01 |
| * apachelogger didn't get an upload mail | 13:01 | |
| mornfall | Hi apachelogger. | 13:01 |
| apachelogger | ahoy mornfall | 13:02 |
| Riddell | mornfall: I pushed the icon change to my branch | 13:04 |
| mornfall | Have you? | 13:05 |
| mornfall | Pulling from "http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/darcs/adept-3/"... | 13:05 |
| mornfall | No remote changes to pull in! | 13:05 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: launchpad says I didn't, what was I to upload | 13:05 |
| mornfall | Hmh. | 13:05 |
| mornfall | Or maybe a different url? | 13:05 |
| Riddell | mornfall: that's the one, maybe the cache is getting in the way | 13:05 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/debdiffs/kdebase-workspace_4.1.1-0ubuntu4_to_ubuntu5.diff | 13:05 |
| JontheEchidna | mornfall: I have played around with the patch and I didn't notice any adverse affectws | 13:06 |
| JontheEchidna | *affects | 13:06 |
| * apachelogger needs a batcache script to remember the urls of batpaste and batdiff ;-) | 13:06 | |
| apachelogger | smarter: did you apply for motu yet? | 13:06 |
| smarter | apachelogger: nop, watching the LHC experiment atm | 13:07 |
| JontheEchidna | I approached this by taking the current sidebar.cpp from Okular and re-doing the Adept changes to it | 13:07 |
| apachelogger | uhhh | 13:07 |
| apachelogger | smarter: go write your application! | 13:07 |
| Riddell | mornfall: try http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/adept-3/ | 13:07 |
| mornfall | Riddell: Works, great. | 13:08 |
| mornfall | JontheEchidna: Okey, could be. I'll try to review it more carefully, although I am somewhat reluctant to do this sort of change post-beta... But maybe for you... :) | 13:09 |
| JontheEchidna | :) | 13:09 |
| mornfall | You can get that as a reward for the bugtracker work you are doing, I guess. ; - ) | 13:09 |
| JontheEchidna | hehe | 13:09 |
| apachelogger | ♥ bugs | 13:10 |
| JontheEchidna | aw crap, KDE has decided openoffice is the best solution for opening .diffs | 13:10 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: I thought I had uploaded that but maybe not. done so now | 13:10 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: thank you :) | 13:10 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: that's been on my things-to-look-at list for ages | 13:11 |
| apachelogger | Oo | 13:11 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: feel free to fix it :) | 13:11 |
| apachelogger | guys | 13:11 |
| apachelogger | that shouldn't happen at all | 13:11 |
| apachelogger | kate has a pretty strong initial-preference | 13:11 |
| JontheEchidna | yes well | 13:11 |
| JontheEchidna | kate's gone from my menu | 13:11 |
| apachelogger | which should supersed anything | 13:11 |
| JontheEchidna | like what happened in hardy | 13:11 |
| JontheEchidna | no more menu entry | 13:12 |
| apachelogger | unless openoffice got an uber strong | 13:12 |
| JontheEchidna | and from krunner it has no icon | 13:12 |
| apachelogger | hm, maybe it is super vragile | 13:12 |
| Riddell | kate doesn't list must in the way of mimetypes | 13:12 |
| apachelogger | *fragile | 13:12 |
| * apachelogger has no idea in which condition kdepim is, due to all the KDE 3 junk | 13:13 | |
| apachelogger | ScottK: bug 262538 | 13:14 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 262538 in kdepim "Kontact / Kaddressbook 3.5.10 : mail-list disappeared + impossible to create" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/262538 | 13:14 |
| Hobbsee | apachelogger: wasn't that always junk? | 13:17 |
| apachelogger | KDE 3? pretty much :P | 13:18 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: btw, kubuntu-team is going to become kubuntu-bugs as soon as the name is free (otherwise kubuntu-bugs-team), I'll then trigger a renewal of all current members to cleanup the list of actual bug triagers | 13:19 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: oh, and I think Kubuntu Council should be owner for branding reasons :) | 13:19 |
| Riddell | sounds good | 13:21 |
| JontheEchidna | btw, Almost Kubuntu Bugs needs subscribed to adept bugs | 13:26 |
| apachelogger | oh | 13:34 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: please make JontheEchidna an admin so he can subscribe the team to more packages | 13:35 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/14661444/Screenshot.png | 13:35 |
| JontheEchidna | lol seamonkey | 13:35 |
| apachelogger | ♥ mozilla-suite | 13:35 |
| apachelogger | well, at least until mozilla dropped official support for it | 13:35 |
| JontheEchidna | mornfall: I would guess that bug 122029 falls more into the realm of an unimplemented feature? | 13:37 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 122029 in adept "adept doesn't honour recommends" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/122029 | 13:37 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: admin of what? | 13:37 |
| mornfall | JontheEchidna: Hm. Have you tried reproducing that? | 13:37 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: Quick query should the calendar plasmoid link into something in a similar way as the calendar applet in gnome does? | 13:37 |
| Riddell | davmor2: not yet | 13:38 |
| Riddell | it will when akonadi is used I guess | 13:38 |
| mornfall | JontheEchidna: I wouldn't be surprised if that's been fixed in the meantime. | 13:38 |
| davmor2 | Okay so it will just not yet :) | 13:38 |
| JontheEchidna | mornfall: oh, it's been fixed ;-) | 13:39 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: kubuntu-team | 13:39 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: but that's about to go away isn't it? | 13:40 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: no, I am just going to rename it | 13:41 |
| apachelogger | that is saving us the trouble of subscribing to the core packages again | 13:41 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: ok, done | 13:42 |
| apachelogger | thank you | 13:42 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: you should now be able to subscribe almost bugs to adept | 13:42 |
| JontheEchidna | cool | 13:42 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: do you have your @ubuntu.com mail address yet? | 13:45 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: don't think so | 13:45 |
| * JontheEchidna tests | 13:45 | |
| JontheEchidna | hmm, well my message hasn't bounced yet | 13:46 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: I sent you a mail | 13:47 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: got it | 13:47 |
| JontheEchidna | yay | 13:47 |
| apachelogger | then you haz echidnaman@ubuntu.com :P | 13:47 |
| apachelogger | and @kubuntu.org of course | 13:47 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: try opening the attachment in ooo | 13:48 |
| JontheEchidna | works for me, sorta | 13:48 |
| JontheEchidna | the file is empty | 13:48 |
| apachelogger | yeah | 13:48 |
| apachelogger | supposed to :P | 13:48 |
| JontheEchidna | k | 13:49 |
| JontheEchidna | works | 13:49 |
| apachelogger | question is, how does that work with a non-utf8 file | 13:49 |
| * apachelogger fires up the windows vm | 13:49 | |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: please try again with new mail | 13:58 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: test | 13:59 |
| JontheEchidna | that's what the file says ;-) | 14:00 |
| apachelogger | omg | 14:00 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: it opens? | 14:00 |
| JontheEchidna | yus | 14:00 |
| apachelogger | groovy, thx | 14:01 |
| apachelogger | I am wondering how to test bug 228241 | 14:03 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 228241 in kdepim "KMail cachedimap Gmail Loses Mail On Move To Folder" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/228241 | 14:03 |
| apachelogger | I got approx 5000000 mails in my gmail account -.- | 14:03 |
| emunkki | apachelogger, so little? | 14:04 |
| apachelogger | yus | 14:04 |
| emunkki | hehe | 14:05 |
| apachelogger | still too big for reasonable cachedimaping :P | 14:05 |
| jjesse | 500K emails in your gmail account? | 14:06 |
| jjesse | sorry 5million emails | 14:06 |
| jjesse | wow | 14:06 |
| neversfelde | where is the default build log from pbuilder? | 14:12 |
| apachelogger | /var/cache/pbuilder/result(s) | 14:15 |
| apachelogger | if it built sucessfully | 14:15 |
| apachelogger | otherwise it will not write a log | 14:15 |
| apachelogger | awesome default, isn't it? :P | 14:15 |
| neversfelde | mhh, .diff.gz, .dsc, .changes and .deb. No logfile | 14:17 |
| apachelogger | hm | 14:18 |
| apachelogger | maybe it doesn't even create a log with successful built | 14:18 |
| apachelogger | awesome default, isn't it? :P | 14:19 |
| neversfelde | rofl | 14:19 |
| apachelogger | neversfelde: add PKGNAME_LOGFILE=yes to you pbuilderrc | 14:19 |
| apachelogger | and maybe PKGNAME_LOGFILE_EXTENTION="_$(dpkg --print-architecture).build" | 14:19 |
| neversfelde | will try it. thx | 14:20 |
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| goatsocks | apachelogger: u has codez for bug 267501 ? | 14:33 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 267501 in kdesudo "[kde4] systemsettings freezing during configuration of kdm login manager" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/267501 | 14:33 |
| apachelogger | no | 14:33 |
| goatsocks | apachelogger: so when you say "The next kdesudo release should take of this." you mean a fix hasn't been worked on yet | 14:37 |
| apachelogger | I mean tonio has a fix but apparently didn't commit/push his changes | 14:37 |
| goatsocks | oh hm | 14:38 |
| Riddell | mornfall: nyarg, the KProcess breakage is another kdesudo issue | 14:40 |
| Riddell | mornfall: well, may be the same kdesudo issue I guess | 14:41 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: bug 159158 | 14:44 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 159158 in kdepim "korganizer gets confused with timezones" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/159158 | 14:44 |
| * apachelogger doesn't know what to do | 14:44 | |
| apachelogger | and I don't really care either | 14:45 |
| JontheEchidna | ask for testing with KDE 4.5.6 beta7 release pack1 and mark as incomplete | 14:45 |
| JontheEchidna | hide, and hope the tester never responds | 14:45 |
| apachelogger | lol | 14:46 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: you do | 14:46 |
| apachelogger | I cover up if he responds :P | 14:46 |
| JontheEchidna | :P | 14:47 |
| goatsocks | mark it Wishlist | 14:47 |
| apachelogger | well | 14:47 |
| apachelogger | despite fact I have no clue what PDT is | 14:47 |
| apachelogger | the report is a bug if valid | 14:47 |
| goatsocks | pdt is pacific daylight savings time | 14:48 |
| * apachelogger thinks it is more of an google calendar issue though | 14:48 | |
| JontheEchidna | they should have a bugday | 14:49 |
| JontheEchidna | on bugs with useless tags | 14:49 |
| JontheEchidna | or maybe just fix malone | 14:50 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: oh christ, I just saw the reporter of that bug | 14:50 |
| JontheEchidna | this is going to be pleasent | 14:50 |
| goatsocks | JontheEchidna: that's why i said mark it Wishlist ;) | 14:50 |
| JontheEchidna | goatsocks: haha | 14:50 |
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| goatsocks | JontheEchidna: or tell him to move to a jurisdiction that doesn't observe daylight savings time | 14:51 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: context missing | 14:51 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: bug 205888 | 15:22 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 205888 in kdepim "akregator fails to open network connections when there are more than 1024 feeds" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/205888 | 15:22 |
| apachelogger | I don't even have that many mailing list subscriptions :P | 15:22 |
| apachelogger | that sounds like "social network for your news aggegator... who got the most feeds!?" | 15:23 |
| smarter | wow | 15:23 |
| jjesse | wow 1024 feeds | 15:23 |
| jjesse | thats a lot to read each day | 15:23 |
| apachelogger | exactly that will be the reason for won't fix | 15:23 |
| apachelogger | hm | 15:25 |
| apachelogger | letz say there is one intersting news, per feed, per day | 15:25 |
| apachelogger | say one needs 5 minuts per news | 15:25 |
| apachelogger | that makes 5120 minutes per day | 15:26 |
| apachelogger | that are ~86 hours | 15:26 |
| apachelogger | ~ 3.5 days | 15:26 |
| jjesse | so basically an endless loop or read feeds | 15:27 |
| apachelogger | that makes 1278 days per year | 15:27 |
| apachelogger | even if you only read half the stuff you still wouldn't have enough time | 15:28 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: bat10nfail (bug 268556) | 15:29 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 268556 in kde-l10n-lt "kde-l10n-lt deb file is empty" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/268556 | 15:29 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: please assign to me | 15:29 |
| apachelogger | I doubt this is really a problem with batl10n | 15:29 |
| apachelogger | but -lt might just not include the junk that goes in that package usually | 15:29 |
| apachelogger | (i.e. docs + desktop files) | 15:30 |
| goatsocks | i doubt they actually read the feeds, they probably filter on them for keywords they're interested in | 15:37 |
| seele | were there major network driver updates since alpha 4? | 15:39 |
| smarter | seele: I think alpha4 had 2.6.26 and we're on .27 now, so they were probably a lot of changes :) | 15:41 |
| goatsocks | not to mention the networkmanager backend bump that broke knetworkmanager | 15:41 |
| seele | ooh, maybe that's what happened. | 15:42 |
| goatsocks | seele: bug 259278 | 15:43 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 259278 in knetworkmanager "knetworkmanager will no longer connect" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/259278 | 15:43 |
| seele | JontheEchidna: re kickoff: aren't app names (the second line) supposed to be on by default? | 15:47 |
| jjesse | is that the name like Web Browser? | 15:48 |
| JontheEchidna | seele: I don't think kickoff has that option, only the traditional menu | 15:48 |
| goatsocks | according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Todo it's not done yet | 15:49 |
| Riddell | seele: that's what we want but it probably needs a patch and nobody has done it yet | 15:49 |
| seele | Riddell: ah ok | 15:49 |
| * seele is going through the todo and some notes again | 15:49 | |
| seele | gah, i should probably do some dayjob work | 15:49 |
| apachelogger | can we please do a patch that can be incorported upstream :P | 15:51 |
| goatsocks | apachelogger: you don't want to maintain a frankenstein menu? | 15:52 |
| seele | mornfall: you might want to consider a [Search] submit button since it's a search submit and not a automatic filter (both manager and installer) | 15:53 |
| apachelogger | I don't want to maintain patches | 15:53 |
| mornfall | seele: Not sure I follow? | 15:53 |
| mornfall | seele: It should do as-you-type in manager (although not so in installer, that's true... a button there might help.) | 15:54 |
| goatsocks | as-you-type works unless you have a dash somewhere in the search term | 15:54 |
| seele | ooh, it requires three letters before it displays anything | 15:55 |
| seele | huh.. is that how the other kde filters work? i thought they start filtering at one letter | 15:55 |
| goatsocks | seele: that's pretty standard with search engines :) | 15:55 |
| seele | goatsocks: yeah, but that's not how it works in kde | 15:55 |
| goatsocks | "k" for instance would choke it up on too many top-level matches | 15:56 |
| seele | so we make it work differently than every other filter in the kde environment? it would make more sense to make it a hard search | 15:56 |
| goatsocks | every other filter? well i just tried akregator, and it starts at 3 letters | 15:57 |
| mornfall | seele: Do you realistically expect people to search for 2 (or 1) letter strings? | 15:57 |
| seele | i'm looking at system monitor, dolphin, system settings, and kickoff | 15:57 |
| goatsocks | same with kmail | 15:57 |
| goatsocks | and those are pretty major kde apps :) | 15:58 |
| seele | mornfall: the problem is there is no immediate feedback | 15:58 |
| mornfall | I mean, would they be confused with not getting results after typing the first letter? | 15:58 |
| seele | if they were expecting a dynamic search and that's how the rest of the environment works? yes | 15:58 |
| goatsocks | kontact does begin at one letter | 15:58 |
| mornfall | Well, if they type *really* slow, I imagine they'd think "oh, you need to press enter to make it search" then before they finish typing their query they see results "oh, not really". | 15:58 |
| mornfall | But dunno. | 15:58 |
| goatsocks | er contacts | 15:58 |
| seele | goatsocks: kmail begins search on 1 letter | 15:58 |
| seele | try an x or z | 15:59 |
| mornfall | seele: Well, also note that in most kde apps, it's a filter, not a search. | 15:59 |
| seele | mornfall: whatever, i'm just giving you feedback. the current implementation is inconsistent with the kde environment and may cause confusion | 15:59 |
| mornfall | So it's a different already. | 15:59 |
| seele | how would i know this is a search and not a filter? the widget looks exactly the same and the context is similar to filter contexts | 16:00 |
| mornfall | -a | 16:00 |
| mornfall | seele: True, but look at the results -- they are ordered by relevance. | 16:00 |
| seele | the problem is before you get to the results | 16:00 |
| goatsocks | seele: you're right, kmail and akgregator start on the first, i was typing in vowels ;) | 16:00 |
| mornfall | So after you get results is not a problem, even if it's inconsistent with rest of KDE? | 16:01 |
| seele | mornfall: there is no message on how the results are sorted so it would probably look like a filter | 16:01 |
| mornfall | It's technically infeasible to implement single-letter searches just for sake of consistency. What do you suggest instead? | 16:02 |
| seele | 1) adding an explicit button that says [Search] | 16:02 |
| seele | 2) adding a header to the top of the results which says "Sorted by relevance" | 16:02 |
| mornfall | seele: Horizontal space is scarce. | 16:02 |
| mornfall | Actually, all space is scarce and I'm trying to avoid the crampedness I had complaints about in 2.1. | 16:03 |
| seele | what about putting the search bar on top of the list? | 16:04 |
| seele | the filters could probably stay on the side like they are since it is a different type of control | 16:04 |
| seele | they apply to the search results | 16:04 |
| mornfall | seele: That's not really true... | 16:04 |
| goatsocks | mornfall: fyi, kpackagekit does as seele suggests regarding the button: http://packagekit.org/img/kpk-search.png | 16:04 |
| mornfall | Try them out. | 16:04 |
| mornfall | The tags work the same as the search bar, really. In fact, they form a single query together. | 16:05 |
| seele | oh, heh. i only used them after i got search results | 16:05 |
| seele | i thought they were additional filters | 16:05 |
| seele | oh they key are filters too, heh | 16:06 |
| seele | sheesh | 16:06 |
| mornfall | I am not sure about how commonly would people start out with tags. People were also asking for categories, so I figured they could use a starting point for the tags. | 16:06 |
| mornfall | Well, it says so in tooltips, doesn't it? | 16:07 |
| mornfall | Show <foo> packages. | 16:07 |
| mornfall | Maybe it could say "Hide <foo> packages" when they are active? | 16:07 |
| seele | it doesnt say it's clickable | 16:07 |
| seele | would putting the icons on buttons take up too much space? | 16:07 |
| seele | right now they look like they are part of the background instead of a widget | 16:08 |
| mornfall | It would be dead-ugly. | 16:08 |
| seele | the tags are a little more forgiving because if you move your mouse over them they change color | 16:08 |
| mornfall | Buttons are extremely bulky in KDE. | 16:08 |
| mornfall | Maybe adding a mouse-over border to the icons? | 16:08 |
| mornfall | Dunno. | 16:08 |
| seele | yeah, that might help | 16:08 |
| seele | is that a standard mouse effect? like if you mouse over a menu item it looks darker or gets a beveled border? | 16:09 |
| Riddell | mornfall: software-properties button added in my branch on muse, let me know how my c++ is doing | 16:09 |
| mornfall | No idea. The filter widget is pretty much custom, since I haven't seen anything like it in KDE yet. | 16:09 |
| goatsocks | seele: yes, in kontact's toolbar it's done that way | 16:09 |
| mornfall | Riddell: It sounds like it's time to make a 3.1 branch, all those feature changes are ... unsettling (also JontheEchidna's sidebar upgrade)... | 16:10 |
| mornfall | Not that I wouldn't trust your code or anything, I wouldn't trust anyone's this late in the cycle. | 16:10 |
| mornfall | Riddell: It says no remote changes again... | 16:11 |
| goatsocks | seele: also the lancelot menu makes nice use of highlight rings | 16:11 |
| mornfall | Riddell: It landed on kubuntu.org this time. ; - ) | 16:12 |
| * mornfall giggles | 16:12 | |
| seele | mornfall: what functionality does adept manager provide over adept installer? | 16:12 |
| mornfall | seele: Well, first of all, it manages packages, not applications. | 16:12 |
| mornfall | It really gives you a different view on the software. | 16:13 |
| seele | mornfall: so most people arent going to be using it anyway? | 16:14 |
| seele | i can't think of when i install a specific package, only a specific application | 16:14 |
| seele | but i'm not a developer so maybe i'm missing something other people need | 16:14 |
| seele | i would assume the application would isntall all of the necessary package dependencies for me automatically | 16:14 |
| Riddell | it only manages GUI applications so if you want to install bzr you still need manager | 16:14 |
| seele | aaah | 16:15 |
| mornfall | Right. Or gcc. | 16:15 |
| Riddell | mornfall: oh yes, curiosity of my bash history | 16:15 |
| seele | since those things are already categorized with your tags, couldn't they be added to the installer? | 16:15 |
| mornfall | Riddell: Any insight on why is the "clicked" slot called clearSelection()? : - ) | 16:15 |
| mornfall | seele: No idea how that would work. | 16:16 |
| mornfall | seele: There are 10+ thousands of packages. | 16:16 |
| seele | hum oh well | 16:16 |
| JontheEchidna | 20+ thousand packages in Ubuntu | 16:16 |
| mornfall | Right. | 16:16 |
| seele | the installer ui is a lot easier to handle than the package manager | 16:16 |
| Riddell | mornfall: erm, let me think up a proper name or that method | 16:17 |
| mornfall | seele: Right, it's for the "common" case. | 16:17 |
| mornfall | Riddell: Don't worry about it, I can fix it up. | 16:17 |
| seele | mornfall: do devs really use a package manager and not apt-get? | 16:17 |
| seele | (they probably do, i'm just surprised) | 16:18 |
| JontheEchidna | seele: before I discovered apt-cache search I used manager for searching for packages | 16:18 |
| mornfall | seele: Dunno about devs. Ask the synaptic userbase. | 16:18 |
| goatsocks | i use apt for most stuff probably, but for certain tasks i find a gui more natural | 16:18 |
| * smarter only uses aptitude | 16:19 | |
| goatsocks | aptitude is great for servers :) | 16:19 |
| * JontheEchidna finds aptitude strange, compared to apt-get | 16:19 | |
| goatsocks | but in a gui environment i won't touch aptitude :) | 16:20 |
| smarter | JontheEchidna: aptitude is cool, it can solve sudoku :P http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/blog/entry/package-management-sudoku/ | 16:20 |
| JontheEchidna | smarter: yeah, gotta give it points for that | 16:20 |
| goatsocks | ubuntu is lucky though, there are several pretty good gui and cli utils for package management | 16:24 |
| seele | mornfall: are tags supposed to add to the search query or act as a filter? | 16:27 |
| seele | i type in print and get two entries. i click on printer under hardware and now i have 30? | 16:27 |
| seele | usually the way search building works is you start generic and get more focused, not the other way around | 16:27 |
| seele | so print would show everything, and then the tag would begin to delimit | 16:27 |
| mornfall | seele: The search uses a quality cutoff: if they first two were much better results than the rest, they hide that rest. If the tag changes situation, some new might show up. | 16:28 |
| seele | could you put feedback that says that? "Top Results".. whatever the default is "36 additional results.. click here to view" | 16:30 |
| seele | feedback might help teach the way the search works since it doesnt work like other searches | 16:31 |
| * Riddell wonders why setWindowIcon doesn't want to work for adept | 16:38 | |
| mornfall | Good question. I haven't tried. | 16:40 |
| mornfall | seele: 3.1, I guess. | 16:40 |
| mornfall | seele: Although, it's likely to produce numbers in thousands, mostly with very questionable quality. | 16:41 |
| goatsocks | Riddell: heh, in the mirror dialog, software-properties-gtk knows i'm in the US and scrolls to the US node automatically, but software-properties-kde thinks i'm in Canada... do you get the same? | 16:44 |
| Riddell | goatsocks: it succesfully choses a UK mirror for me | 16:45 |
| goatsocks | Riddell: both gtk and kde versions agree? | 16:45 |
| Riddell | goatsocks: it maybe just the luck of what you run it | 16:45 |
| Riddell | let me try gtk | 16:46 |
| goatsocks | the difference between the two ports is what i'm getting at | 16:46 |
| Riddell | the kde one doesn't run in a thread, so the UI doesn't get updated | 16:46 |
| Riddell | there's no reason why it shouldn't though | 16:47 |
| goatsocks | well i've never chosen any canadian mirrors so it's not a threading/update issue i think | 16:47 |
| goatsocks | plus it pulls the country info differently | 16:47 |
| Riddell | and the kde one sometimes crashes when you click the button | 16:47 |
| Riddell | goatsocks: feel free to rip out whatever code is in the kde one for it and replace it with the code from the gtk one | 16:48 |
| goatsocks | Riddell: yeah i see you've marked abstracting out the guts for that dialog to a common file... i might take that up if there's too much to fix in the kde implementation | 16:49 |
| * goatsocks wishes gnome would just give up and adopt Qt | 16:50 | |
| seele | huh | 16:51 |
| * seele doesnt' know what to make of sabdfl's latest blog entry | 16:52 | |
| seele | canonical is going to hire more qt/kde developers? | 16:52 |
| jjesse | hasn't that been promised for a long time | 16:52 |
| goatsocks | maybe my wish is coming true? | 16:52 |
| jjesse | seele: i don't understand it either | 16:54 |
| goatsocks | i don't know what he means by "next-generation HIG" | 16:54 |
| jjesse | human interface group? | 16:55 |
| goatsocks | nobody really has a this-generation HIG | 16:55 |
| goatsocks | except Apple | 16:55 |
| seele | jjesse: human interface guidelines | 16:55 |
| goatsocks | gnome's is spare, and kde's is incomplete | 16:55 |
| seele | apple's is too wordy to be useful | 16:55 |
| goatsocks | MS doesn't give a fark | 16:55 |
| seele | he probably means a cross-desktop hig which is something that is being proposed elsewhere | 16:55 |
| seele | and a focus on development and UI patterns.. which again, is being proposed elsewhere | 16:56 |
| goatsocks | i'd love to see x-desktop HIG | 16:56 |
| jjesse | so why shouldn't we work with those proposed elsewhere instead of the not invented here | 16:56 |
| seele | because they've only been proposed, no one is working on them yet | 16:56 |
| jjesse | off to lunch will let my thoughts gather over lunch | 16:57 |
| goatsocks | seele: fd.o? | 16:57 |
| seele | goatsocks: those are technical specs, they don't deal with usability and design | 16:58 |
| seele | although fd.o would be an optimal host since they are project agnostic | 16:59 |
| goatsocks | seele: i'd think they'd be the only group credible enough to attempt such a thing | 16:59 |
| Riddell | goatsocks: well the kde mirror finder didn't work for me at all when I ran it just now | 17:00 |
| vorian | afternoon | 17:00 |
| goatsocks | Riddell: i had it crash on me twice as well... i'll see what i can do | 17:01 |
| goatsocks | hi nairov | 17:02 |
| goatsocks | what i glean from his post is that he seems serious about elevating kde to a first class status wrt integration | 17:04 |
| goatsocks | poor xfce | 17:05 |
| * apachelogger missing context again :P | 17:07 | |
| apachelogger | goatsocks: who posted what? | 17:08 |
| goatsocks | hah, does it look like the LHC guys are using KDE? http://img388.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ohptoftimemeasured13sepjy2.png | 17:08 |
| goatsocks | apachelogger: shuttleworth's latest blog entry | 17:08 |
| apachelogger | hm | 17:09 |
| apachelogger | the prophet's blog posts are always too long to read TBH :P | 17:09 |
| Riddell | goatsocks: ooh nice | 17:09 |
| seele | apachelogger: youre not missing much. more handwaving and empty promises. no verbal commitment to anything | 17:09 |
| apachelogger | ic | 17:09 |
| apachelogger | now say KDE becomes first class desktop, does Riddell get more money? | 17:10 |
| apachelogger | does Riddell get money at all? or just beer? | 17:10 |
| apachelogger | we should discuss that in the meeting tomorrow :P | 17:10 |
| emunkki | burp | 17:10 |
| apachelogger | meh | 17:11 |
| apachelogger | bug triaging is brain draining | 17:11 |
| emunkki | sure | 17:12 |
| emunkki | answering to client emails is waste of both my and their time :P | 17:12 |
| === echidnaman is now known as JontheEchidna | ||
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: do you think the default kubuntu behavior is enough to mark bug 16325 as fixed? | 18:26 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 16325 in kdepim "CAN-2005-0404: HTML content spoofing" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/16325 | 18:26 |
| kde_pepo | Hi, did anyone build a (k)ubuntu package of Skulpture yet? If so, I would like to add it to the kde-look site, if I am allowed. | 19:31 |
| JontheEchidna | kde_pepo: I can't find a skulpture package in ubuntu | 19:41 |
| kde_pepo | JontheEchidna, yep, maybe someone has a private repo where it's sitting in... launchpad or so. | 19:42 |
| smarter | what is skulpture? :} | 19:43 |
| kde_pepo | http://www.kubuntu-art.org/content/show.php/Skulpture?content=59031 a KDE 4 theme I wrote | 19:43 |
| stdin | kde_pepo: you know, you can register with launchpad.net and get a PPA (personal package archive). then you can build the package yourself and add the .deb or a link to the repository on kde-look.org | 19:44 |
| kde_pepo | stdin, I looked at that site, but I need to fiddle with GPG keys which I am not familar with. | 19:45 |
| stdin | kde_pepo: https://help.launchpad.net/FeatureHighlights/PersonalPackageArchives and https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart should guide you through the whole process | 19:47 |
| kde_pepo | maybe its easier than described, but the description scared me :) | 19:47 |
| stdin | there's also #launchpad for live help with it (i'm in there too) | 19:47 |
| smarter | kde_pepo: you could fill a needs-packaging bug reports so that people know that you're looking for someone to package it ;) | 19:47 |
| stdin | yeah, and if you know how to package it, you can get it on REVU and end up getting the package in universe | 19:48 |
| kde_pepo | the PPAQuickStart link is "empty"... do I need to log in to see the pages contents? | 19:49 |
| smarter | what is this kubuntu-art site for? Oo | 19:49 |
| kde_pepo | smarter, it is actually the same as kde-look.org :) | 19:50 |
| smarter | kde-look/kde-apps are uncool? :P | 19:50 |
| smarter | ah | 19:50 |
| kde_pepo | smarter, Frank registered many domain names. | 19:50 |
| stdin | kde_pepo: broken link https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA | 19:51 |
| kde_pepo | ah ok | 19:51 |
| goatsocks | kde_pepo: i've been using the skulpture kwin deco, nice work ;) | 19:53 |
| kde_pepo | goatsocks, cool, thanks :) | 19:53 |
| kde_pepo | I assume 8.04 has KDE 4 already? because 8.10 is not released yet. | 19:57 |
| Tm_T | yes | 19:57 |
| stdin | 4.0.5 in hardy-backports and 4.1.1 in the KDE4 PPA | 20:01 |
| kde_pepo | am I allowed to use a key that expires? | 20:09 |
| ScottK-laptop | Up until the time it expires. | 20:13 |
| === kde_pepo is now known as kdepepo | ||
| seele | mmm.. i probably shouldn't have had cake as an afternoon snack | 20:45 |
| * goatsocks is jealous, chugs a chocolate milk | 21:08 | |
| seele | goatsocks: it's zucchini cake so maybe you will change your mind | 21:18 |
| goatsocks | zucchini?! | 21:21 |
| * goatsocks reverse-chugs his chocolate milk | 21:21 | |
| seele | oh come on | 21:22 |
| seele | youve had carrot cake right? | 21:22 |
| seele | it's just like that but a different veggie | 21:23 |
| apachelogger | hm | 21:24 |
| JontheEchidna | carrot cake is good | 21:24 |
| * apachelogger watches how milk comes out of goatsocks' nose | 21:24 | |
| JontheEchidna | Aren't 3rd party software sources stored in sources.list? bug 263456 | 21:27 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 263456 in adept "Adept Third-Party Software out of sync with sources.list" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/263456 | 21:27 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: I think we should remove the firefox user agent setting for google.com | 21:27 |
| apachelogger | without it gmail directs konqueror to the html interface | 21:28 |
| apachelogger | which might not be as fancy as the ajax one, but it works | 21:28 |
| JontheEchidna | I though the only way to get ajax to work was to set the user agent to firefox | 21:28 |
| JontheEchidna | well, ajax is buggy enough with konq anyway | 21:29 |
| apachelogger | that is my point | 21:29 |
| * apachelogger got communication problems | 21:29 | |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: keep an eye on the changes that andreas moog dude does, he closes import bugs too early | 21:33 |
| JontheEchidna | how early are we talking about? | 21:34 |
| * JontheEchidna is curious | 21:34 | |
| apachelogger | well, 4 weeks | 21:35 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, important bugs | 21:35 |
| apachelogger | yus | 21:35 |
| JontheEchidna | eek | 21:35 |
| apachelogger | like KDE doesn't play nice on NFS | 21:35 |
| apachelogger | always has been that way | 21:35 |
| JontheEchidna | yeah, pretty much | 21:36 |
| apachelogger | and closing the report aint gonna fix it :P | 21:36 |
| JontheEchidna | dist-upgrade bugs are a pain to triage | 21:36 |
| JontheEchidna | because | 21:37 |
| JontheEchidna | -the users can only test when a new distro is released | 21:37 |
| jjesse | cant you force dist-upgrade like there is a new release? | 21:37 |
| JontheEchidna | -you have no clue if the newest version of the upgrader works until intrepid+1 is released | 21:37 |
| apachelogger | jjesse: the KDE configs are upgraded | 21:38 |
| apachelogger | and those cause the most issues | 21:38 |
| jjesse | ah | 21:38 |
| JontheEchidna | I mean | 21:38 |
| apachelogger | the others are file conflicts in packages, which are pretty easy to fix anyway | 21:38 |
| JontheEchidna | bugs with upgrade-manager-kde | 21:38 |
| JontheEchidna | not downloading the release announcement and a bunch of other crap | 21:38 |
| apachelogger | yeah, those are nasty as well | 21:39 |
| apachelogger | Oo | 21:39 |
| apachelogger | hum | 21:39 |
| apachelogger | bug 268623 | 21:39 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 268623 in kdenetwork-kde4 "kopete in kde4 missing plugin for gnupg" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/268623 | 21:39 |
| JontheEchidna | other than that adept is pretty much triaged | 21:39 |
| apachelogger | didn't someone like... package kopete-crypto? | 21:39 |
| * apachelogger pokes stdin with his laser screwdriver | 21:39 | |
| * apachelogger is really wondering about the stupidity of moinmoin | 21:40 | |
| apachelogger | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages#Requesting a new package for Ubuntu ... even mediawiki creates the anchors with _s | 21:40 |
| JontheEchidna | any clue if bug 47181 is still valid? | 21:41 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 47181 in adept "broken localisation support" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/47181 | 21:41 |
| stdin | apachelogger: I packaged it ages ago, it was on revu somewhere | 21:41 |
| apachelogger | http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=kopete-cryptography-kde4 | 21:43 |
| apachelogger | https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kopete-cryptography-kde4 | 21:44 |
| apachelogger | stdin: did it get rejected? | 21:44 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: no clue | 21:44 |
| stdin | apachelogger: nope, approved | 21:44 |
| apachelogger | where is it? | 21:44 |
| stdin | well, last I heard it was approved on revu. after that I don't know | 21:45 |
| apachelogger | uhm | 21:45 |
| apachelogger | I think you should have gotten a mail about rejection | 21:45 |
| stdin | I don't think I knew about the new queue back then | 21:45 |
| stdin | I got no mail on it | 21:45 |
| apachelogger | :) | 21:46 |
| apachelogger | stdin: please update bug 176471 somehow | 21:46 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 176471 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] kopete-cryptography" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176471 | 21:46 |
| stdin | update how? I uploaded to revu and it got approved there. what more's a packager to do? ;) | 21:47 |
| * NCommander lives | 21:47 | |
| apachelogger | stdin: fix it if it got rejcted | 21:47 |
| NCommander | hey apachelogger | 21:49 |
| stdin | apachelogger: how can I find the reason it was rejected? | 21:49 |
| apachelogger | ahoy NCommander | 21:50 |
| apachelogger | stdin: usually the rejecting adming sends you a mail | 21:50 |
| NCommander | apachelogger, how goes it this morning? | 21:50 |
| apachelogger | s/morning/evening | 21:51 |
| NCommander | :-P | 21:51 |
| * apachelogger is going to do bugfixing now | 21:51 | |
| NCommander | apachelogger, see my bug from hell yet? | 21:51 |
| apachelogger | NCommander: no | 21:51 |
| apachelogger | where? | 21:51 |
| apachelogger | hell? devil? is it about vbox? vorian? | 21:51 |
| * apachelogger is confused :P | 21:51 | |
| NCommander | apachelogger, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/music123/+bug/268260 | 21:51 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 268260 in music123 "GNAT 4.2 Transition Tracking Bug" [Undecided,New] | 21:51 |
| vorian | ! | 21:51 |
| vorian | devils | 21:52 |
| stdin | apachelogger: I don't have any emails on it | 21:52 |
| apachelogger | !devil | 21:52 |
| ubottu | Sorry, I don't know anything about devil | 21:52 |
| NCommander | apachelogger, I feel sorry for SRU | 21:52 |
| NCommander | !evil | 21:52 |
| ubottu | Sorry, I don't know anything about evil | 21:52 |
| NCommander | !life | 21:52 |
| ubottu | life is something very few people know about in this channel - and anyway, it's probably offtopic, perhaps you want to try #ubuntu-offtopic | 21:52 |
| NCommander | O_o; | 21:52 |
| apachelogger | stdin: maybe poke the robot | 21:52 |
| NCommander | Damn it, I was hoping for a hitchhiker's guide to galaxy reference | 21:52 |
| apachelogger | NCommander: that bug is sick | 21:52 |
| * apachelogger wouldn't file such a bug, just for the reason that SRU team wouldn't read it anway :P | 21:53 | |
| NCommander | apachelogger, its never good when you have to tell an archive admin to expect 12 packages to enter -proposed | 21:53 |
| apachelogger | we are having an SRU for some imap bug in kdepim from dapper times around | 21:53 |
| NCommander | apachelogger, and have them go WTF | 21:53 |
| apachelogger | anyway | 21:53 |
| apachelogger | you are hindering development :P | 21:53 |
| apachelogger | or actually QA | 21:54 |
| NCommander | apachelogger, why? | 21:54 |
| * apachelogger ix fixing intrepid again! | 21:54 | |
| apachelogger | _again_ :P | 21:54 |
| NCommander | apachelogger, what broke in Intrepid again? | 21:54 |
| apachelogger | KDE | 21:55 |
| jjesse | so nothing imporant :P | 21:56 |
| apachelogger | righto! | 21:56 |
| apachelogger | 2nd class anyway | 21:56 |
| apachelogger | <3rd class | 21:56 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: bug 267182 | 21:57 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 267182 in digikam-kde4 "Update to beta 3" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/267182 | 21:57 |
| stdin | apachelogger: seeing as it as never accepted into the archive, can I just start over with it? so clear out the changelog and make the version number right? | 22:11 |
| apachelogger | stdin: yes, also drop the -kde4 | 22:11 |
| apachelogger | you'll need an FFe now | 22:11 |
| apachelogger | ♥ justice | 22:12 |
| stdin | does "ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/([\d\.]+)/src/extragear/kopete-cryptography-([\d\.]+)-kde([\d\.]+)\.tar\.bz2" look good for the watch file to you? | 22:13 |
| apachelogger | stdin: if it works ;-) | 22:15 |
| apachelogger | looks like it though | 22:15 |
| stdin | well ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/4.1.1/src/extragear/kopete-cryptography-1.3.0-kde4.1.1.tar.bz2 is the tarball, si it should | 22:15 |
| stdin | s/si/so/ | 22:15 |
| apachelogger | stdin: uscan --no-download --debug | 22:15 |
| apachelogger | should tell you if it works properly | 22:15 |
| vorian | uscan --verbose --report | 22:16 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: I assigned bug 262957 and bug 267223 to you and made them critical, so we don't forget | 22:16 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 262957 in digikam "digikam package is not installable due to depedency in a kde3.5 package no longer available" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/262957 | 22:16 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 267223 in digikam "Digikam 2:0.9.4-1 fails to build" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/267223 | 22:16 |
| stdin | apachelogger: ok, not quite right then :/ the tarball is 1.3.0-kde4.1.1 and it picks up 1.3.0.4.1.1 | 22:17 |
| apachelogger | stdin: \- | 22:18 |
| * apachelogger actually starts reading that regexp | 22:18 | |
| apachelogger | hm | 22:19 |
| stdin | ah, I just had to fiddle with the ( ) bits | 22:19 |
| apachelogger | I always find the watch file expressions rather strange | 22:19 |
| apachelogger | stdin: usually it should work with the first version you pasted | 22:19 |
| apachelogger | stupid uscan fiddeling | 22:19 |
| stdin | "ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/([\d\.]+)/src/extragear/kopete-cryptography-([\d\.]+-kde[\d\.]+)\.tar\.bz2" | 22:19 |
| apachelogger | I lost a bug | 22:20 |
| stdin | but that mean I'll have to give the package a version of 1.3.0-kde4.1.1 | 22:20 |
| stdin | and I don't really want to | 22:20 |
| apachelogger | stdin: get-orig-source | 22:21 |
| stdin | yeah, probably easier | 22:21 |
| jtechidna | b.k.o is borked again | 22:23 |
| ryanakca | Could someone with python-qwt5-qt4 installed test something for me? In python, go 'from PyQt4.Qwt5 import *'... do you get a numpy.core.multiarray error? Should python-numpy be a depends for python-qwt5-qt4 ? | 22:24 |
| ryanakca | … even with python-numpy and python-numpy-ext I get the can't import error… | 22:25 |
| apachelogger | I declare bug 99044 uber high priority for that jackalope thing! | 22:26 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 99044 in kde4libs "KDE should warn about disk space shortage" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/99044 | 22:26 |
| smarter | it already does | 22:26 |
| smarter | in Hardy it does at least | 22:27 |
| apachelogger | smarter: where? | 22:27 |
| smarter | oh, kde4, right :] | 22:27 |
| apachelogger | well | 22:27 |
| apachelogger | if it disappeared | 22:27 |
| apachelogger | it was patch | 22:27 |
| smarter | yes | 22:27 |
| apachelogger | and I seriously hate patches | 22:27 |
| apachelogger | for exactly that reason | 22:27 |
| apachelogger | they freakin disappear! | 22:28 |
| smarter | actually we should review all our patches to kde3 and try to get them upstream and/or adapt them | 22:28 |
| apachelogger | nono | 22:28 |
| apachelogger | we should get them upstramPERIOD | 22:28 |
| apachelogger | patches which can not be applied upstream should be branding only, or short-term workarounds | 22:29 |
| apachelogger | everything else is sign of bad architecture | 22:29 |
| NCommander | apachelogger, if you really hate patchs, go check out gcl's source | 22:30 |
| NCommander | apachelogger, no patch system, 70MB diff | 22:30 |
| apachelogger | \o/ | 22:30 |
| apachelogger | that is another thing I hate | 22:30 |
| apachelogger | patches without patch system | 22:30 |
| === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna | ||
| NCommander | apachelogger, BTW, gcl's total source is 15MB :-) | 22:33 |
| apachelogger | lol | 22:33 |
| NCommander | I'm actually going to file for removal | 22:34 |
| NCommander | There are copyright violations, it includes the full source of binutils without noting it int he copyright file | 22:34 |
| a|wen | lol ... gcl being version 2.6.7-36 should warn us already :P | 22:37 |
| apachelogger | Riddell, ScottK-laptop: bug 254296 please | 22:39 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 254296 in kde-l10n-ku "Kurdish translations for KDE 4" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/254296 | 22:39 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: please take a look at bug 268438 | 22:41 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 268438 in language-pack-kde-de "language-pack-kde-de does not depend on kde-l10n-de" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/268438 | 22:41 |
| === mcasadevall is now known as NCommander | ||
| kdepepo | It looks like filing a bug report with "needs-packaging" will request a package to be included into main distribution, but I would be happy just to have a package available in any other community repository. | 23:01 |
| apachelogger | we only do official packages | 23:02 |
| ScottK-laptop | apachelogger and Riddell: I'm doing the kurdish one. | 23:10 |
| Riddell | thanks | 23:10 |
| Riddell | language-pack packages are done by pitti with scripts | 23:10 |
| seele | hum.. why can't i submit a bug to kubuntu-default-settings? it's telling me to submit an upstream bug | 23:17 |
| Riddell | seele: where? | 23:18 |
| seele | launchpad | 23:18 |
| seele | oh.. it's suggesting Ubuntu devmapper as the package to link it to? huh? | 23:18 |
| ScottK-laptop | seele: Does https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-default-settings/+filebug not work for you? | 23:19 |
| seele | argh, i dont understand! | 23:20 |
| seele | ScottK-laptop: yes, that link worked.. why!? | 23:20 |
| seele | i went to https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+filebug, clicked on project and choose kubuntu-default-settings from the popup | 23:20 |
| seele | apparently that isn't the way i'm supposed to do it | 23:20 |
| seele | stupid f*ing interface | 23:20 |
| seele | why does it let me choose kubuntu-default-settings if it isn't a project | 23:21 |
| ScottK-laptop | seele: File bugs. Because in their paradigm, every package has a project with it. | 23:22 |
| JontheEchidna | launchpad projects can also opt not to use launchpad for bug tracking | 23:22 |
| ScottK-laptop | Right, but the funadmental probelm is that such projects are useless and confusing. | 23:23 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: is language-pack-kde-de even supposed to depend on kde-l10n-de? | 23:23 |
| ScottK-laptop | They shouldn't exist. | 23:23 |
| ScottK-laptop | apachelogger: Uploaded. I made a few other changes too. | 23:25 |
| apachelogger | ScottK-laptop: Thank you. I hope you didn't do anything that breaks batch editing :P | 23:26 |
| * ScottK-laptop too. | 23:26 | |
| apachelogger | hehe | 23:26 |
| * apachelogger continues triaging | 23:26 | |
| ScottK-laptop | apachelogger: I just added lintian overrides for the quilt warnings (since it's needed regardless) and updated the maintainer to core-dev. | 23:26 |
| seele | Riddell: so remind me again what the problem was with the icon text position | 23:26 |
| seele | Riddell: setting the default was broken, so you hard coded it? | 23:27 |
| seele | Riddell: and you can still change the setting in system settings? | 23:27 |
| apachelogger | ScottK-laptop: Shouldn't cause any problems I think. | 23:27 |
| apachelogger | If we had l10n in a bzr branch, batch editing would be way easier IMHO. | 23:28 |
| seele | Riddell: is it only going to work for fresh intrepid installs? because i've got it working in one place (reinstall) but not in another (upgrade) | 23:28 |
| NCommander | hey ScottK-laptop | 23:29 |
| ScottK-laptop | Heya NCommander. | 23:29 |
| NCommander | ScottK-laptop, uploaded kdelibs for me? | 23:29 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: strigiapplet should be removed, it only supports KDE 3 and no KDE 4 port in sight | 23:30 |
| ScottK-laptop | NCommander: If you want a 'fun' one. Look at php-clamavlib. It needs relibtoolization AND fixed to build with the new libclamav5. | 23:30 |
| ScottK-laptop | NCommander: Which one? | 23:30 |
| * ScottK-laptop will be back in a few. | 23:30 | |
| NCommander | ScottK-laptop, the amd64 one | 23:30 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: how does it only support kde 3? | 23:31 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: kio slave | 23:31 |
| Riddell | seele: it was a curious problem that it wouldn't read our kdeglobals fine in our kubuntu profile directory | 23:32 |
| Riddell | seele: but it did when in the global profile directory (/etc/kde4/) so I've put it in there | 23:32 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: going to do some testing | 23:32 |
| Riddell | seele: so it's not hardcoded and it'll get removed if you remove kubuntu-default-settings | 23:32 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: ok | 23:32 |
| seele | Riddell: oh ok. i assume that is good then. | 23:34 |
| seele | Riddell: if you upgrade kubuntu-default-settings will it change it to setting? | 23:34 |
| Riddell | seele: yes (unless you've edited the file) | 23:34 |
| seele | oh weird. only half of KTorrents icons get changed to the new format | 23:36 |
| seele | the other half are icon over label | 23:36 |
| NCommander | ScottK, I'll help with your problem if you help with mine | 23:36 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: enter search term -> press enter -> konqueror popup with error about strigi:/ | uses crystal icons | doesn't follow KDE 4 file association (which in my cases opens ruby scripts with wine) | tries to draw a shadow of the search results, which is in fact placed in the top left corner rather than underneath the search result popup | 23:38 |
| ScottK-laptop | NCommander: Please point me at the patch again? | 23:40 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: right, I'll remove it | 23:40 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: vandenoever did say he was working on a KDE 4 one | 23:40 |
| NCommander | ScottK-laptop, I don't have it, I lost my files last night. You said you got it via email | 23:40 |
| ScottK-laptop | Ah. That one. | 23:40 |
| ScottK-laptop | Yes, I have it. | 23:41 |
| ScottK-laptop | I mistook which one that is. | 23:41 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: would be cool if he manages to get it ready before intrepid, currently one can't really search strigi | 23:41 |
| apachelogger | then again it is not on by default anyway | 23:41 |
| NCommander | ScottK, I need a no-changes rebuild done on a package in hardy and uploaded to hardy-proposed (https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-python-extras/+bug/181068) | 23:41 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 181068 in gnome-python-extras "miro.real crashed with SystemError in MozillaBrowser() on PPC" [Low,Confirmed] | 23:42 |
| * apachelogger prepares an SRU for strigiapplet | 23:42 | |
| NCommander | ScottK, I'll roll a proper debdiff for it | 23:42 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: he did suggest he would at akademy, but I've not seen anything | 23:42 |
| ScottK-laptop | NCommander: The patch you mailed me last night was your 3.5.9 lpia fix. | 23:44 |
| NCommander | Ah crud | 23:44 |
| NCommander | apachelogger, do you still have my kdelibs patch on amd64? | 23:44 |
| apachelogger | NCommander: probably | 23:44 |
| NCommander | apachelogger, if so, can you please give it to ScottK so I don't need to reroll it | 23:45 |
| apachelogger | .!!!~~~~>Bat Pasted at http://paste.ubuntu.com/45536/ | 23:45 |
| * apachelogger loves batpaste | 23:45 | |
| ScottK-laptop | NCommander: Is this gnome-python-extras bug fixed in Intrepid? | 23:46 |
| NCommander | ScottK-laptop, yes, cody is going to do that one, since he can simply mark it ok for SRU, and save you some work | 23:46 |
| ScottK-laptop | NCommander: It has to be done in Intrepid before we can upload to hardy-proposed. | 23:47 |
| NCommander | ScottK-laptop, its fixed in intrepid | 23:47 |
| a|wen | NCommander: regarding the inotify fix ... think i saw a proper fix (eg. not just disabling it) in the kde svn log | 23:48 |
| NCommander | a|wen, it would have to be a pretty extensive hackjob to fix that, since the problem was conflicting kernel/glibc headers | 23:49 |
| NCommander | (the issue doesn't seemingly happen on glibc 2.7) | 23:49 |
| a|wen | NCommander: r858854 | mueller | 2008-09-08 22:32:46 +0200 (Mon, 08 Sep 2008) | 3 lines | 23:50 |
| NCommander | link? | 23:50 |
| NCommander | (I could be wrong) | 23:50 |
| ScottK-laptop | NCommander: kdelibs is a long testbuild, so you have some time to consider options. | 23:51 |
| apachelogger | kde rev 858854 | 23:52 |
| NCommander | ScottK-laptop, its roughly 15 minutes for me | 23:52 |
| ubottu | http://websvn.kde.org/?rev=858854&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde -r 858854 | 23:52 |
| apachelogger | NCommander: ^ | 23:52 |
| NCommander | awesome | 23:52 |
| * a|wen thanks apachelogger | 23:53 | |
| NCommander | oh, I see how its fixed | 23:54 |
| NCommander | I didn't realize glibc had an interface for inotify | 23:54 |
| NCommander | a|wen, nice catch, I'll respin the fix | 23:54 |
| NCommander | ScottK, can you upload the hardy-proposed fix for me? It needs a core-dev to upload, its ubuntu-sru, not motu-sru thats needed >.<; | 23:55 |
| a|wen | NCommander: cool ... then there was a point for me to look at the svn commits today :) | 23:55 |
| NCommander | a|wen, I owe you one | 23:55 |
| * ScottK-laptop kills the kdelibs build. | 23:56 | |
| NCommander | ScottK-laptop, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/music123/+bug/268260 - I'll help fix kdelibs if you'll help with this ;-) | 23:56 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 268260 in music123 "GNAT 4.2 Transition Tracking Bug" [Undecided,New] | 23:56 |
| * a|wen is still waiting for his kdepim build | 23:56 | |
| * NCommander can hear scott screaming from here | 23:57 | |
| seele | Riddell: is the updated kubuntu-default-settings in alpha 5 or post? | 23:57 |
| NCommander | kdelibs (4:3.5.10-0ubuntu4) intrepid; urgency=low | 23:57 |
| NCommander | * Corrected FTBFS on amd64 by disabling inotify, which is broken | 23:57 |
| NCommander | due to a glibc/linux headers disagreement on flock. | 23:57 |
| NCommander | Who uploaded this? | 23:57 |
| apachelogger | not me | 23:58 |
| Riddell | seele: no, went in yesterday | 23:58 |
| * NCommander rolls eyes | 23:58 | |
| NCommander | I don't even know when my fixes are getting uploaded anymore | 23:58 |
| apachelogger | NCommander: shouldn't you get an email? | 23:58 |
| seele | Riddell: ok | 23:58 |
| NCommander | Not always | 23:58 |
| NCommander | It's been very hit or miss recently | 23:58 |
| apachelogger | I see | 23:58 |
| apachelogger | NCommander: well, at least it built on all arches ;-) | 23:58 |
| ScottK-laptop | NCommander: For that I want php-clamavlib and the Hardy-Backports version of the kdelibs lpia patch. | 23:59 |
| NCommander | ScottK-laptop, what was wrong with kdelibs on lpia. It was kdenetwork that broke | 23:59 |
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