[00:00] heya mhb [00:00] Riddell, I thought I uploaded kdenetwork [00:00] Oh, it rejected [00:01] since distribution == hardy-backports [00:01] er, hardy-proposed [00:01] there's a 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy2 [00:01] Strange [00:01] Oh [00:01] Damn it [00:01] * NCommander hits head [00:01] I did the fix on both 9 and 10 [00:01] The 10 superseeded the 9 before the former built due to the PPA backlog last night [00:02] Riddell: update-notifer-kde is import-erroring again [00:03] hey apachelogger [00:03] Riddell, so yeah, whoops [00:06] mhb: hi! [00:07] hi seele, quite some corrections on the mailing list :o) [00:08] JontheEchidna: n'yarg [00:09] apachelogger: if you want to change the bugs thing, go ahead, or let me know what I have to do [00:09] Riddell: please make me admin for kubuntu-team [00:10] I am creating kubuntu-bugs and replace kubuntu-team as bug team [00:10] apachelogger: done [00:11] thanks [00:12] Riddell & apachelogger kdelibs is building in my PPA [00:13] Correction [00:13] kdelibs FTBFS in my PPA [00:13] :( [00:13] wow [00:13] Something went really really wrong ... [00:13] O_o; [00:13] Anyway, brb [00:13] scratch the brb [00:15] mhb: no one could agree when the meeting was [00:15] last time i'm going to be organized [00:16] Riddell, how much work does a new port of Ubuntu involve on the Canonical side of things? [00:17] NCommander: a new arch? the machines need put into the data centre by the sysadmins and then it's up to the arch maintainer to make it work [00:17] which I imagine involves lots of fiddy bootstrapping [00:17] Riddell, I thought some ports were, at least initally, hosted outside the data center (i.e. hppa) [00:18] not sure on that one, I thought it was in the data centre [00:18] it'll need hooked up to launchpad certainly [00:18] Riddell, mostly because I want to do a mips port, and a ppc64 port [00:18] (well, armel too, but someone else already with doing it) [00:18] The MIPS port can be bootstrapped off the Debian port rather easily [00:19] NCommander: do you have such machines? [00:19] MIPS yes, ppc64, soonish [00:19] (also armel, yes) [00:19] https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-bugs [00:19] weak [00:19] My MIPS box is too slow to be a full buildd [00:20] Riddell, what I was hoping to do is provide enough packages that someone could debootstrap mips in the data center (if that's what was required), and then set of the LP foo [00:23] *setup [00:23] * NCommander wants Ubuntu available on the full range of hardware Debian works and has ports on [00:23] Oo [00:23] And as an answer to your next question [00:23] that is one big mission [00:23] I've used all Debian ports expect s390, and alpha [00:24] (that includes hurd-i386, and kfreebsd-*) [00:24] * apachelogger would like to have that many machines :P [00:24] apachelogger, I usually just rip apart embedded hardware to run the port [00:24] ic [00:25] My MIPS box is a canobized router, my ARM was a NAS [00:25] THe PowerPC was my mac [00:25] is armel for nokias tablet devices? [00:25] m68k was an emulator [00:25] neversfelde, yes [00:25] (its armel now) [00:25] hurd-i386, and kfreebsd-* was real hardware [00:26] NCommander: I installed KDE3 on my n800, was fun, but nothing more [00:26] neversfelde, what are the specs of the Nokia tablets? [00:26] My ARM box is 266Mhz/32MB RAM [00:26] If I just had more ram, we'd have Ubuntu armel [00:27] wow, $150 [00:27] We might just have a winner, at 252/64MB [00:28] I want to see netbook remix on an arm box [00:28] uh, I do not know. It was a present and is my only GTK device. Shows some rss feeds and weather right of my desk :D [00:28] * NCommander thinks Riddell ran away in porting fear [00:30] NCommander: well, I'm about to run off to bed. I don't know anything about porting though I'm afraid, I'd expect lamont would be a good person to talk to [00:30] Riddell, who can upload kdelibs for me then ;-) [00:31] NCommander: ScottK? or me in the morning [00:31] Ok, cool. I'm going to likely buy this tablet [00:31] It gives me something to port Ubuntu too ... [00:31] *to [00:34] neversfelde: patch it :P [00:34] * NCommander turns on the ScottK light [00:35] NCommander: n800 is old. All KDE people do have n810 cause nokia gave it away for free at akademy. Probably you shoul ask nokia for a device :D [00:35] apachelogger: weather applet is broken for several weeks now, I think I should do ;) [00:36] hm [00:36] actually [00:36] d'oh [00:36] * apachelogger needs to get an n810 [00:36] Well, if someone will give me SSH access to their device for a few hours ;-)? [00:36] lol [00:37] how much do n810's run? [00:37] $438.00 [00:37] OW [00:37] MY WALLET [00:38] I could use my existing arm hardware to bootstrap [00:39] apachelogger, can you test to make sure my patch builds on i386? [00:39] (I'm rebuilding it in pbuilder) [00:39] yes [00:39] there is a project which aims to run qtopia on nokia tablets [00:40] NCommander: you could do some KDE programming, get on planet kde, make everyone think you are uber important and then ask nokia for a n810 ;) [00:40] THat means I need to learn Qt [00:41] learning Qt is not exactly difficult [00:41] They said that about COBOL [00:41] c++ is the awful about it :P [00:41] ♥ rubyqt [00:41] apachelogger, http://pastebin.ca/1198675 [00:41] apachelogger, my patchs tend to be amazingly small ;-) [00:42] lol [00:43] apachelogger, OTOH http://launchpadlibrarian.net/17471845/kdenetwork.debdiff [00:43] * NCommander watchs your brain melt [00:43] I hate patches :P [00:43] :-) [00:52] I hate this hp-systray applet [00:59] apachelogger: omg, kubuntu-team has oxygen icon [00:59] ♥ tango [00:59] I lol'd [01:00] again?! [01:00] lol [01:00] howsabout "I rofl'd"? [01:02] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingKubuntu [01:02] ugly [01:02] no [01:02] UGLY! [01:04] aside from having HelpingKubuntu at the top twice it doesn't look too bad... [01:07] Oo [01:07] seriously [01:07] I wouldn't want to read that [01:07] neversfelde: afaik the n800 and n810 are nearly identical hardware except for the gps [01:08] seele: I think n810 has a real keyboard too [01:08] apachelogger: needs more screenie? [01:09] more of everything [01:09] well, I made a few edits [01:11] lol: "Here are some tools that are developed by Kubuntu devs: " [01:11] then, nothing [01:12] yah [01:12] more of everything [01:14] "We are a community project and always need help." [01:15] that sounds "My name is Bob, I am 38 and I am looking for a woman...." [01:16] We are the blue-headed stepchild of Ubuntu and always need halp [01:19] ooh JontheEchidna did you get bug privs? [01:19] yuriy: ya [01:19] nice [01:19] btw, have you had a chance to do anything else with userconfig? [01:19] much to apachelogger's inbox's dismay [01:19] sorry, I've been too busy to touch any kubuntu stuff lately [01:20] uh, basically all the dialogs for user management use ui files [01:20] I did a bit of work on the add/modify dialog for groups the other day [01:28] JontheEchidna: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot101.png [01:28] my eyes! naked GTK! [01:28] ...but nice blue icon [01:28] makes up for raleigh [01:31] JontheEchidna: didn't we use that bug for experimental as well? [01:31] huh? [01:31] oh, no [01:31] indeed [01:32] we used the red security shield [01:32] https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team [01:36] Heh, "Almost kubuntu bugs" [01:37] did you know there's a guy with the username kubuntu-bugs? [01:38] JontheEchidna: yes [01:38] that's why the team is only almost [01:39] nice... [01:39] klicking on akregators tray icon does not open kontact. Do you know if this is a known bug? [01:39] I hope to find a lp admin to get that dood to use another name [01:39] otherwise we will have to go with kubuntu-bugs-team [01:39] + bug [01:39] neversfelde: what does it open? [01:39] apachelogger: nothing [01:39] that is very strange [01:40] are you sure the window is not just on some other desktop? [01:40] kubuntu-bugteam? [01:40] kubuntu-bugsquad? [01:40] apachelogger, did you build my kdelibs patch? [01:40] it works standalone [01:41] pbuilder-time-stamp: 1221006719 [01:41] NCommander: build without problems [01:41] neversfelde: I recommend reporting at bugs.kde.org [01:41] apachelogger, you got a fast box [01:41] neversfelde: our kdepim reports are a gigantic mess [01:41] apachelogger: will do [01:41] NCommander: would be faster if I could have used cluster compiling ;-) [01:42] apachelogger: kdebase is twice as big [01:42] and even that's been cut back considerably from the start of this cycle [01:42] not as much duplicated stuff though [01:42] most reports in kdepim go like - kmail looses X or imap is broken because of Y [01:44] ohh, bugs.kde.org is hard work :( [01:44] Oo [01:44] you have no idea what triaging with bugzilla is like [01:44] * apachelogger shudders [01:44] hehe [01:44] JontheEchidna: can you subscribe almost bugs to kdebase-workspace? [01:45] how does one subscribe a team to a package? [01:46] JontheEchidna: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace [01:46] top right box [01:46] subscribe to bug mail [01:47] I can only subscribe myself [01:47] hm [01:48] JontheEchidna: jr needs to make you an admin [01:48] * apachelogger can't [01:48] so are bugs really supposed to be assigned to the team? [01:48] * JontheEchidna doesn't see the point [01:49] no [01:49] only subscribed [01:49] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-bugs [01:49] signing up to that list should get one all the kubuntu related bugs right away [01:50] so we need to make sure almost bugs is subscribed to at least all core packages [01:51] ScottK, poke? [01:51] going through the deps of kubuntu-desktop should do the trick [01:53] JontheEchidna: bug 264643 [01:53] Launchpad bug 264643 in kmldonkey "no icons in kmldonkey when using Kubuntu 8.10" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/264643 [01:53] what do you think about that fix? [01:55] uh [01:55] shouldn't kmldonkey get fixed, instead of this workaround? [01:56] ♥ JontheEchidna [01:59] mhh [01:59] kmldonkey is fully unusable [01:59] If you were to fix it, you'd want to patch the source to generate the icons properly [02:00] you can search, but there is no download overview page [02:01] JontheEchidna: do you want to provide a better fix or should I command him to give it a try? [02:01] neversfelde: no one really uses that thing anyway :P [02:01] apachelogger: never [02:01] * JontheEchidna doesn't want to touch it :P [02:01] meh [02:03] http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot102.png [02:03] well, it is the only torrent client - server system. Isn't it? [02:03] that was short fun -.- [02:03] neversfelde: dunno [02:03] don't care either :P [02:03] think so [02:03] hehe [02:04] http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot103.png [02:04] I like the icon though [02:06] I took a look at it and ad no idea how to fix. I need a teacher :D [02:06] hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm [02:06] time to sleep. n8 everybody [02:07] JontheEchidna: does that thing start for you? [02:07] * NCommander is away (Hiding from apachelogger) [02:07] neversfelde: nini [02:07] apachelogger: when I tested it for my initial comment, it started === freeflyi1g is now known as freeflying [02:11] JontheEchidna: for some reason it installs in the wrong directory here [02:21] JontheEchidna: http://websvn.kde.org/?view=rev&revision=859317 :P [02:21] hehe [02:36] evening [02:55] kde rev 859317 [02:55] http://websvn.kde.org/?rev=859317&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde -r 859317 [02:55] JontheEchidna: look at that goodness ^ [02:55] * apachelogger hands stdin a ☕ [02:55] I know, I used it earlier today. ^_^ [02:56] * stdin has ReadyBrek and is happy [02:56] * JontheEchidna hands stdin a ☕ too [03:08] hm [03:08] 50% of batpaste done [03:08] well [03:08] maybe more like 40 [03:08] 4am already [03:08] omg [03:14] http://paste.ubuntu.com//45135/ [03:26] http://aplg.kollide.net/screencasts/batpaste-1.ogg [06:23] turning the globe over in marble is a good way to make you dizzy [07:30] Re. [07:30] Riddell: I don't have much idea about KProcess (that's part of the reason I avoided doing it that way...). [08:03] Riddell, are you awake? [10:07] Riddell: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=170788 [10:07] KDE bug 170788 in general "Update exits with a error" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [10:08] Riddell: Is that the same that you have seen wrt. HAL upgrades? [10:15] I had an issue with HAL upgrades? [10:19] NCommander: yes [10:21] Riddell, I tested kdelibs on amd64, seems to work, but I don't know a good way to abuse it [10:21] (the fix from lastnight) [10:21] NCommander: what's the fix? [10:21] Riddell, that was the one where kdelibs FTBFS on amd64 in intrepid [10:22] I also tested kdelibs on lpia (the SRU), also seems to work, also no idea how to abuse it, but granted since its always FTBFS, I can say its an improvement no matter how you look at it [10:23] NCommander: what's the fix? [10:24] Riddell, on amd64, I disabled inotifity optimization; changes in the kernel header and glibc was causing the FTBFS (bug filed on that conflict since that should be resolved, but the change will probably take awhile to land) [10:24] As for lpia, the PPP interface has a managed header [10:24] (corrected in intrepid) [10:25] *mangled header [10:26] I fixed that by having it use the glibc PPP headers instead [10:27] Riddell, as a second aside, your in Ubuntu Drivers, right? [10:30] Riddell: In Adept, I recall.. [10:30] Same weird post-install failure that I couldn't relate. [10:30] I think you resolved it by not using kdesudo but sudo. Which is, umm, weird. [10:34] Riddell, https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team- mind adding me to this team? [10:45] NCommander: disabling inotify optimisation or disabling inotify at all? [10:46] Riddell, it was --disable-inotify, the entire header is screwed up [10:46] Riddell, it falls back to dnotify which is still faster then the other fallback code it has [10:49] Riddell, I suspect the issue will crop up on the buildds once they are updated. I was able to confirm the header issues between glibc 2.8 and linux-headers 2.6.27 will crop up on i386 and lpia since the file that breaks the build (asm-generic/fctnl.h and bits/fnctl.h) are generic across all architectures as fara sI can tell [10:50] so we disable it for now, wait for someone to fix it then re-enable it [10:51] Riddell, pretty much, I have an outstanding bug on glibc and linux-headers [10:51] Riddell, and I noted as such that this issue needs to be resolved in the headers, not in kdelibs [10:53] s/kdelibs/kdenetwork/g (on lpia) [10:53] Riddell, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork/+bug/267991 - I tested to make sure kppp opens, but I have no modem which to test with [10:53] Launchpad bug 267991 in kdenetwork "kdenetwork FTBFS on lpia" [Wishlist,Fix committed] [10:55] Riddell, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glibc/+bug/268311 - the headers issue [10:55] Launchpad bug 268311 in glibc "Mismatch on flock/flock64 between glibc/linux-headers" [Undecided,New] [12:15] NCommander: so, where's this kdelibs patch? [12:21] NCommander: I'm not in Ubuntu Drivers [12:21] NCommander: why do you want to be added to kubuntu-team? it's obsolete [12:31] mornfall: upgrading hal through kdesudo adept leads to it getting stuck for me http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/adept.png [12:33] That's weird. And without kdesudo? [12:33] mornfall: trying now [12:34] (Btw, yes, I forgot about those icons. But you can now edit the desktop files yourself and I'll pull the patch, would that work? Well, if not, it's still in the TODO. :) [12:35] mornfall: with sudo I don't get that problem [12:35] humph to kdesudo [12:35] Riddell: Does it break in any other way or it just works? [12:37] Riddell: Moreover, could you try downgrading again, stopping hald and then trying with kdesudo? Or alternatively, ensure hald runs and try with sudo again? [12:37] Riddell: It might be that it failed to come up and it's not really related to sudo/kdesudo but to hald running or not running. [12:49] mornfall: downgrade, stop hal, kdesudo adept, upgrade hal, still gets stuck [12:52] Aye. [12:52] So we have an interesting case of bad interaction somewhere. [12:52] I assume downgrade, sudo adept, upgrade hal -> works? [12:53] Let me try here. [12:53] mornfall: works for me [12:53] I have no problem with giving up on kdesudo for adept :) [12:55] There's no recent kdesudo in Debian it seems -- the one that's there wants to drag kdelibs4c2a in, and its version says 2.4-1. [12:55] Riddell: Me neither, but we need a way to run it nevertheless... [12:55] And kdesu is not going to work, is it? [12:55] it might [12:56] But, kdesu is now a library, so used somewhere inside the runFooByDesktopBar machinery... [12:57] Or so I believe. [12:57] mornfall: it's /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kdesu.distrib [12:57] which is a dpkg-divert from /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kdesu caused by kdesudo [12:58] mornfall: running adept with that and upgrading hal works fine [12:58] where's Tonio to harras when you need him :) [12:58] Riddell: merges need a FFe, don't they? [12:58] Oh. Interesting. [12:58] apachelogger: if it has new features yes [12:58] k, thanks [13:00] good morning [13:00] JontheEchidna: Hi. Are you sure that your patch doesn't cause any regressions? It seems to me that some of those commented out bits you reenabled might have served a purpose... (or was it just Yuriy's appearance change?). [13:01] morning JontheEchidna [13:01] Riddell: did you actually upload my kdebase-workspace change from yesterday? [13:01] * apachelogger didn't get an upload mail [13:01] Hi apachelogger. [13:02] ahoy mornfall [13:04] mornfall: I pushed the icon change to my branch [13:05] Have you? [13:05] Pulling from "http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/darcs/adept-3/"... [13:05] No remote changes to pull in! [13:05] apachelogger: launchpad says I didn't, what was I to upload [13:05] Hmh. [13:05] Or maybe a different url? [13:05] mornfall: that's the one, maybe the cache is getting in the way [13:05] Riddell: http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/debdiffs/kdebase-workspace_4.1.1-0ubuntu4_to_ubuntu5.diff [13:06] mornfall: I have played around with the patch and I didn't notice any adverse affectws [13:06] *affects [13:06] * apachelogger needs a batcache script to remember the urls of batpaste and batdiff ;-) [13:06] smarter: did you apply for motu yet? [13:07] apachelogger: nop, watching the LHC experiment atm [13:07] I approached this by taking the current sidebar.cpp from Okular and re-doing the Adept changes to it [13:07] uhhh [13:07] smarter: go write your application! [13:07] mornfall: try http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/adept-3/ [13:08] Riddell: Works, great. [13:09] JontheEchidna: Okey, could be. I'll try to review it more carefully, although I am somewhat reluctant to do this sort of change post-beta... But maybe for you... :) [13:09] :) [13:09] You can get that as a reward for the bugtracker work you are doing, I guess. ; - ) [13:09] hehe [13:10] ♥ bugs [13:10] aw crap, KDE has decided openoffice is the best solution for opening .diffs [13:10] apachelogger: I thought I had uploaded that but maybe not. done so now [13:10] Riddell: thank you :) [13:11] JontheEchidna: that's been on my things-to-look-at list for ages [13:11] Oo [13:11] JontheEchidna: feel free to fix it :) [13:11] guys [13:11] that shouldn't happen at all [13:11] kate has a pretty strong initial-preference [13:11] yes well [13:11] kate's gone from my menu [13:11] which should supersed anything [13:11] like what happened in hardy [13:12] no more menu entry [13:12] unless openoffice got an uber strong [13:12] and from krunner it has no icon [13:12] hm, maybe it is super vragile [13:12] kate doesn't list must in the way of mimetypes [13:12] *fragile [13:13] * apachelogger has no idea in which condition kdepim is, due to all the KDE 3 junk [13:14] ScottK: bug 262538 [13:14] Launchpad bug 262538 in kdepim "Kontact / Kaddressbook 3.5.10 : mail-list disappeared + impossible to create" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/262538 [13:17] apachelogger: wasn't that always junk? [13:18] KDE 3? pretty much :P [13:19] Riddell: btw, kubuntu-team is going to become kubuntu-bugs as soon as the name is free (otherwise kubuntu-bugs-team), I'll then trigger a renewal of all current members to cleanup the list of actual bug triagers [13:19] Riddell: oh, and I think Kubuntu Council should be owner for branding reasons :) [13:21] sounds good [13:26] btw, Almost Kubuntu Bugs needs subscribed to adept bugs [13:34] oh [13:35] Riddell: please make JontheEchidna an admin so he can subscribe the team to more packages [13:35] JontheEchidna: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/14661444/Screenshot.png [13:35] lol seamonkey [13:35] ♥ mozilla-suite [13:35] well, at least until mozilla dropped official support for it [13:37] mornfall: I would guess that bug 122029 falls more into the realm of an unimplemented feature? [13:37] Launchpad bug 122029 in adept "adept doesn't honour recommends" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/122029 [13:37] apachelogger: admin of what? [13:37] JontheEchidna: Hm. Have you tried reproducing that? [13:37] Riddell: Quick query should the calendar plasmoid link into something in a similar way as the calendar applet in gnome does? [13:38] davmor2: not yet [13:38] it will when akonadi is used I guess [13:38] JontheEchidna: I wouldn't be surprised if that's been fixed in the meantime. [13:38] Okay so it will just not yet :) [13:39] mornfall: oh, it's been fixed ;-) [13:39] Riddell: kubuntu-team [13:40] apachelogger: but that's about to go away isn't it? [13:41] Riddell: no, I am just going to rename it [13:41] that is saving us the trouble of subscribing to the core packages again [13:42] apachelogger: ok, done [13:42] thank you [13:42] JontheEchidna: you should now be able to subscribe almost bugs to adept [13:42] cool [13:45] JontheEchidna: do you have your @ubuntu.com mail address yet? [13:45] apachelogger: don't think so [13:45] * JontheEchidna tests [13:46] hmm, well my message hasn't bounced yet [13:47] JontheEchidna: I sent you a mail [13:47] apachelogger: got it [13:47]