[00:00] <geek> Agent_bob: still. its good to be sure. wouldn't want to delete / no? ;p
[00:00] <MrKennie> usually I do that followed by a alt+sysrq+b which resets the machine
[00:00] <Agent_bob> master_ sounds like you pressed   alt+sysRQ+u   :)))
[00:00] <master_> Agent_bob: Yes.. Now I think I have to reboot.
[00:01] <master_> It's a good trick to know, though
[00:01] <Agent_bob> geek i was only saying that in ubuntu   rm -r / == rm -rf /    the -f is redundant as it is default
[00:01] <Agent_bob> master_ no you can remount
[00:01] <MrKennie> you could try mount -o remount,rw /
[00:01] <Agent_bob> master_  sudo mount -no remount,rw / ;sudo mount -o remount,rw /home
[00:02] <Agent_bob> assuming seperate home fs
[00:02] <geek> Agent_bob: ahh. okie
[00:02] <MrKennie> I shouldn't have mentioned the +b :)
[00:03] <Agent_bob> MrKennie  :)   nothing wrong with knowledge.  it's how it's used that makes it a problem
[00:03] <MrKennie> aye
[00:04] <katcita> Agent_bob: http://paste.ubuntu.com/45074/
[00:04] <stdin> Agent_bob: -f is not default, I get prompted all the time when I forget -f and try to rm -r <some svn checkout>
[00:05] <Agent_bob> katcita try this command.   sudo mount /home
[00:05] <Agent_bob> stdin has it changed ?
[00:05] <Agent_bob> stdin in dapper i never see a prompt from rm
[00:06] <Agent_bob> katcita did that mount it ?
[00:06] <stdin> Agent_bob: it's possible it's changed, but I don't know when ;)
[00:07] <katcita> Agent_bob: yes it did
[00:07] <Agent_bob> stdin i have seen several things have changed from dapper to hardy
[00:07] <katcita> Agent_bob: any idea why the exact same command gave me /dev/sda3 already mounted or /home busy 5 minutes ago?
[00:08] <Agent_bob> katcita ok on the line in your fstab file with /home add the word defaults to the relatime  i.e.  defaults,relatime        kdesudo kate /etc/fstab # this command to edit maybe
[00:10] <Agent_bob> katcita i could suspect you didn't use sudo on it before but that would be a guess.  as well as you may have specified /dev/sda3 before but that would also be guessing
[00:10] <katcita> Agent_bob: nah I was both root and did mount /home, I'm gonna add default, thanks a lot
[00:11] <Agent_bob> katcita welcome.   as to why, 9 times out of 11 it's pebcak of some sort.  but the other 2 of 11 are actual issues of some kind.
[00:14] <Agent_bob> katcita as i mentioned ^ and if you add "default," it will be pebcak seeing that that is not what i specified to you.
[00:14] <katcita> Agent_bob: so should I add it?
[00:14] <katcita> default
[00:14] <Agent_bob> defaults,relatime  <<<   S  the s is important
[00:15] <Agent_bob> now go on and wipe the egg off your face and put that in there and see if it helps  :)
[00:16] <katcita> ok thanks =)
[00:16] <Agent_bob> :)
[00:21] <aspoor> hello
[00:32] <burn_> uh
[00:33] <burn_> Wastet[bRe] u freak log out [its me in ping timedout] :D
[00:37] <Agent_bob> WasTe[bRe] 10 minutes  or use nickesrv to "ghost" the spook
[00:38] <WasTe[bRe]> its not registered :D
[00:38] <WasTe[bRe]> and its me
[00:38] <WasTe[bRe]> the burn
 Wastet[bRe] u freak log out [its me in ping timedout] :D
[00:38] <WasTe[bRe]> [01:33] <-- Wastet[bRe] has left this server (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)).
[00:39] <Agent_bob> so why aren't you registered ?
[00:40] <Agent_bob> and if not registered why worry about a specific nickname ?
[00:46] <gabspeck> hey everybody
[00:46] <gabspeck> since a kernel panic last night my JFS home partition isn't mounting due to some filesystem errors...
[00:47] <gabspeck> fsck saved a log in /var/log/fsck/checkfs
[00:48] <gabspeck> does anybody have a clue? :\
[00:49] <Agent_bob> pastebin the log
[00:49] <gabspeck> alright, just a sec
[00:49] <gabspeck> there you go > http://paste.ubuntu.com/45085/
[00:49] <Agent_bob> i'm not well versed with jfs but i'll take a look.
[00:50] <gabspeck> thanks
[00:51] <Agent_bob> ouch that's ugly
[00:52] <Agent_bob> what does   sudo umount /dev/sda3 ;sudo fsck -p /dev/sda3    churn out ?
[00:52] <gabspeck> oh please don't tell me it's hardware related :p
[00:52] <Agent_bob> no i didn't say that.
[00:52] <Agent_bob> i said the error is an ugly one.
[00:52] <gabspeck> heh, i know...
[00:52] <gabspeck> ugly errors tend to be related to ugly situations :p
[00:53] <Guest89213> hi, does anyone know anything about pcmcia cards? specifically a xircom modem/ethernet card
[00:53] <gabspeck> alright, fsck is running...
[00:53] <Agent_bob> Guest89213 i only know i am glad i don't have one to fight with.   sorry.
[00:54] <Guest89213> lol
[00:55] <gabspeck> Agent_bob, what is the -p switch for?
[00:57] <Kira> Hi, is there a command to view all the computers connected to my router and their IP address's? I currently do not have a network setup
[00:58] <Agent_bob> -p  Automatically repair ("preen") the file system
[00:58] <gabspeck> eh, it failed with the same errors...
[00:59] <Agent_bob> gabspeck ;/
[00:59] <Agent_bob> no other info ?
[00:59] <gabspeck> attempting to mount /dev/sda3 causes some "Buffer I/O error on device sda3, logical block xxxxxx"
[01:00] <gabspeck> well, fsck spit out an extra line
[01:00] <gabspeck> ujfs_rw_diskblocks: read 4096 of 16384 bytes at offset 5230592
[01:00] <gabspeck> before "Unrecoverable error...."
[01:00] <ofv> Hi! I'm installing kubuntu amd64 and the installation is stuck showing:
[01:00]  * Agent_bob suggest badblocks on the parition/disk
[01:01] <ofv> [some flot number] Buffer I/O error on device fd0, logical block 0
[01:01] <ofv> after several seconds a line with an increasing float number is appended on the screen.
[01:01] <Agent_bob> gabspeck you might be able to mount it ro and save your data  then rebuild the fs ???
[01:02] <ofv> my understanding is that fd0 is a floppy disk, but my computer has none.
[01:02] <ofv> any suggestions?
[01:02] <Agent_bob> ofv fd0 is the emulated floppy disk that the cdrom booted from
[01:03] <ofv> so this indicates that the cdrom is bad?
[01:03] <gabspeck> well, I can mount it ro
[01:04] <gabspeck> guess i'll have to copy over the network to my old pc :\
[01:04] <Agent_bob> ofv idk.  use the self test option at boot time to see if the disk is bad
[01:04] <Agent_bob> "check cd for errors"   or some such...
[01:04] <ofv> thanks, Agent_bob, I'll try that.
[01:05] <gabspeck> Agent_bob, do you believe it's hardware related?
[01:06] <Agent_bob> gabspeck i believe it could be.  but i tend to more think that it's a hickup within the filesystem that the kernel doesn't understand   i.e. it was writing when the power went down and kinda slid it's pincel accross the page....
[01:07] <gabspeck> well, the kernel panicked last night...
[01:07] <gabspeck> but doesn't fsck fix it somehow (at least other filesystems' fsck)?
[01:07] <Agent_bob> gabspeck i have seen this several times and most of the time blanking the disk with   cat /dev/zero > /dev/had  (example only)  and rebuilding the data structure completely fixes it.
[01:09] <Agent_bob> gabspeck yes if it can recognize the problem   if it doesn't recognize the problem it's designed to be as "non-destructive" as possable
[01:10] <gabspeck> oh, i see...
[01:10] <gabspeck> thank you very much for the assistance :)
[01:11] <Agent_bob> i.e. get a bad bit in a partition table and the kernel might start looking for the filesystem in the middle of a partition and flow through to the end, then say "oops that isn't supposed to be there `panic`"    it kinda depends on what went south and where ....
[01:21] <ofv> The installation enters the BusyBox shell, irrespectively of the option chosen
[01:22] <ofv> (check cd, install, run, safe graphics, etc)
[01:22] <ofv> i'm a novice, please help.
[01:23] <Agent_bob> ofv even when you select "check cdrom for errors"   or what ever the option is called ?
[01:23] <ofv> yes.
[01:23] <Agent_bob> ;\
[01:25] <ofv> removed "quiet splash" from the boot options. The last line before entering the BusyBox shell is about BAR5.
[01:26] <gabspeck> Agent_bob, I'd forgot to mention it, but at boot time some messages about something like { DRDY } show up
[01:26] <ofv> no error message shown.
[01:27] <LeeJunFan> ugh, trying amarok 2 beta in 4.1.1 is starting to irritate me. I kind of like the old playlist stuff which was actually tolerable.
[01:29] <nejode> ofv: you should write down at least the last 10 to 6 lines before the initramfs prompt
[01:29] <nejode> ...just to have a better idea
[01:29] <ofv> nejode: including the long list of hexadecimal digits? :-)
[01:31] <nejode> ofv: no just the somethinf importan , like I/O, IDE, SATA, etc
[01:31] <ofv> okay.
[01:32] <nejode> ofv: normally, whennyou get the busybox shell, it's because the kernel cannot load a module it needs...
[01:33] <nejode> ...or tries to load one that screws up things
[01:33] <ofv> I see no complains about missing modules on the last screefull of info.
[01:33] <Agent_bob> hmmm i just found a new way to keep "mc" via ssh from entering a dir...
[01:33] <ofv> okay, in reverse order:
[01:33] <ofv> BAR5: (list of hex digits)
[01:33] <ofv> BAR5: (again, list of hex digits)
[01:34] <ofv> ata2: PATA max UDMA/133 cmd 0xe800 ctl 0xe480 bmdma 0x3408 irq 16
[01:34] <nejode> ...it's the first time I've seen that one
[01:35] <ofv>  ata1: PATA max UDMA/100 cmd 0xec00 ctl 0xe480 bmdma 0x3408 irq 16
[01:35] <nejode> try"irqpoll"
[01:35] <ofv> /bin/sh: irqpoll: not found
[01:35] <nejode> ....no, in the kernel params
[01:35] <ofv> okay.
[01:36] <nejode> where quiet and splash go
[01:37] <ofv> same result
[01:38] <nejode> ofv: what hardware are you using?
[01:38] <ofv> CPU: Q6600, HD: Maxtor 1 TB SATA, MB: Asus P5QPro, 4 GB Ram.
[01:39] <nejode> ...weird... the kernel is trying to mount PATA drives....
[01:41] <ofv> i'm going to boot with something else, just to check if it is (K)ubuntu-specific.
[01:44] <aitd> I am still having a problem with *buntu recognizing a blank cd or dvd. I have tried the suggestions previously recommended without success. See pastebin http://paste.ubuntu.com/45095 for output and methods used thus far. Thanks...!
[01:45] <aitd> Already tried teh #ubuntu channel without success... I have the same problem with both ubuntu and kubuntu
[01:46] <ofv> Mandriva Spring 2008 x86 also enters the BusyBox, but VMWare ESX3i boots.
[01:46] <ofv> I'll try Windoze now.
[01:51] <ofv> windows xp installer seems to work ok.
[01:51] <ofv> Any idea about where to look?
[01:53] <nejode> ofv: googling around, there's many references to that problem with a Marvell PATA controler
[01:54] <ofv> while booting, there is something about Marvell on the screen, but it goes away too fast to read.
[01:54] <ofv> any pointers?
[01:55] <nejode> maybe your mobo uses that marvell contoller for your IDE (PATA) ports
[01:55] <nejode> ¿is you cd/dvd sata or IDE
[01:56] <ofv> on the BIOS setup, it is listed as SATA, but have to check again.
[01:57] <nejode> if it's sata, you can try and disable the IDE ports in the BIOS and try to see if it works
[02:00] <ofv> nejode: reading about that right now on a ubuntu forum. I'm investigating it.
[02:02] <ofv> nejode: changed mode to RAID on the BIOS and have a KDE desktop now (on live cd mode)
[02:02] <ofv> Need to check if what some other users report about slowness applies here.
[02:03] <ofv> Thanks for your help, nejode.
[02:03] <nejode> ofv: well, your shots should go in that direction then, good luck1
[02:04] <nejode> ofv: you cantry and blacklist the marvell_pata module
[02:05] <ofv> nejode: can you explain how to blacklist the module? (If it is a often-used term, don't bother, I'll google it)
[02:09] <nejode> ofv: that has to be done after you install, first you find out the name of the module...let's say marvell_pata...
[02:10] <nejode> ...then you add teht nane at the end of the /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist file
[02:10] <ofv> Yes, I was reading about it on some forum archives.
[02:11] <ofv> Thanks again, nejode.
[02:13] <nejode> *the name
[02:32] <dabud> hi  i just changed my desktop to kde and i am having a problem starting an application from the terminal
[02:33] <fignew> what's the error?
[02:33] <dabud> i usually use ./ appname
[02:34] <dabud> it says ./ is a directory
[02:34] <fignew> you need to do ./appname
[02:34] <dabud> bash: ./: is a directory
[02:34] <fignew> assuming the application is in your current directory
[02:34] <fignew> no space
[02:35] <dabud> i tried that   i get the same error
[02:35] <fignew> what program are you trying to run?
[02:35] <dabud> i have a folder on the desktop that contains a linux app      i open a terminal on that folder and it usually works
[02:36] <fignew> ok
[02:36] <dabud> wcs-linux
[02:36] <fignew> well go into that folder
[02:36] <fignew> and run it inside there
[02:36] <dabud> it is a p2p chat server
[02:36] <fignew> or you can run:  wcs-linux/wcs-progname
[02:36] <fignew> from the Desktop DIR
[02:37] <dabud> how do i open a terminal inside the folder?
[02:37] <dabud> ok ii i know
[02:38] <dabud> bash: ./wcs-linux: No such file or directory
[02:39] <fignew> you use cd to change directory
[02:39] <fignew> cd wcs-linux
[02:39] <fignew> ls
[02:39] <fignew> to see what's in that directory
[02:39] <fignew> and choose from those what you can/want to run
[02:40] <dabud> k  i'll try that
[02:41] <dabud> but i wud like to know why it won't work the way i used to do it?
[02:41] <fignew> I have no clue how you were doing it before :P
[02:42] <dabud> i know that  and i will tell you
[02:44] <dabud> i used to open a terminal by putting my cursor over the wcslinux folder [thaat contained my wcs-linux.bin file] and the when the terminal opened i would type ./ wcs-linux  and hit enter and it wud start the program
[02:44] <tebriel> I can scan and see my wireless AP, but i can't seem to connect to it, could anyone give me some ideas?  I tried iwconfig wlan0 essid Teb2 but i don't get assigned an ip
[02:45] <tebriel> oh and i'm using wlassistant
[02:46] <dabud> ls
[02:47] <dabud> still won't work
[02:50] <fignew> dabud: what's inside the folder?
[02:51] <fignew> tebriel: is it enrypted?
[02:51] <tebriel> nope
[02:51] <fignew> tebriel: where in ga are you?
[02:51] <tebriel> bare naked to the wind
[02:51] <tebriel> oh, uhhh....gainsville, yeah, that's totally where i am
[02:51] <fignew> lol
[02:51]  * tebriel wraps tinfoil around his router
[02:51] <fignew> I went to school in gainsville
[02:51] <fignew> Riverside Military ;)
[02:52] <tebriel> stay away, i'm just trying to get it to configure then i'm reprotecting it!
[02:52] <tebriel> i love gainsville, nah, i live in Atlanta, but i go up there every once in a while for a weekend, it's beautiful
[02:52] <fignew> tebriel: as long as you're not my neighbor, then you're ok ;)
[02:52] <tebriel> lol
[02:52]  * fignew <-- tech student
[02:52] <fignew> anyways
[02:53] <fignew> when you to iwconfig
[02:53] <fignew> does it give you a mac address under Access Point:
[02:53] <tebriel> yes
[02:54] <fignew> and you have a Link Quality reading too?
[02:54] <fignew> that's not zero ;)
[02:54] <tebriel> 91/100
[02:54] <tebriel> that's pretty quality
[02:54] <tebriel> granted though, the laptop is touching the router
[02:54] <fyn> I'm still getting that hanging on suspend / switch user in 8.04.  I've disabled compiz and atieventsd ... anyone know of anything else I can try?  I'm using fglrx but I've seen reports when I was googling of people running into this with nvidia too?
[02:55] <abaddon> hi
[02:55] <tebriel> i hang on coming back from suspend, but I think it's hardware support issue, the suspend protocols are different in some computers
[02:56] <fignew> tebriel: run dhclient <your wifi interface>
[02:56] <tebriel> already a pid file
[02:56] <fignew> fyn: when it crashes on user switch, does ctrl+alt+bksp unlock it?
[02:57] <fignew> tebriel: sudo killall dhclient
[02:58] <tebriel> it's dead, linux stabbed it
[02:58] <tebriel> dhclient wlan0 again?
[02:58] <fignew> tebriel: run dhclient <your wifi interface> again
[02:58]  * tebriel scratches his head
[02:58] <tebriel> there's already a pid file
[02:59] <fignew> k
[03:00] <fignew> rm -f /var/run/dhclient.wlan0.pid
[03:02] <tebriel> still says there's a .pid file
[03:03] <tebriel> do wireless connections show up in knetworkmanager?
[03:04] <tebriel> and, should i kill that and try to run dhclient again?
[03:05] <fignew> knetworkmanager does wireless
[03:05] <tebriel> hmm...maybe i should instead try to get my wireless to show up in knetworkmanager?
[03:05] <tebriel> only shows one device, my eth0
[03:06] <fignew> ugh
[03:09] <fignew> knetworkmanager isn't reliable
[03:09] <fignew> I've never liked it
[03:10] <abaddon> in ifconfig what u have?
[03:10] <tebriel> eth0, lo,  wolan0, and wmaster0 which wasn't there 5 min ago
[03:11] <tebriel> *wlan
[03:11] <abaddon> and u dont have wifi or what?
[03:12] <tebriel> i can iwlist scan and see my ap
[03:12] <tebriel> but i have no ip
[03:12] <aspoor> hello
[03:12] <aspoor> I'm Using Konversatin
[03:12] <aspoor> haha
[03:13] <abaddon> t:P
[03:13] <tebriel> i can use K | System Settings | Network Settings, to set my AP, but I still don't get an ip
[03:13] <aspoor> What happened to Micros
[03:13] <tebriel> nor if i use iwconfig wlan0 essid "Teb2"
[03:17] <kenny__> how can I chnage my name]
[03:18] <kenny__> change*
[03:18] <BluesKaj>  /nick newnick
[03:18] <kenny__> ok
[03:18] <Xarver> ^_^
[03:19] <Xarver> Registered :)
[03:20] <Xarver> I like KDE better than gnome
[03:20] <Xarver> Hey guys, you have any idea how to connect to wireless internet?
[03:20] <Xarver> on Kubuntu>
[03:22] <Xarver> ...???
[03:22] <tebriel> did you try knetworkmanager?
[03:24] <Lord^Anubis> hmmm
[03:24] <Xarver> Yeah, i clicked it twice and it didn't open :|
[03:24] <tebriel> click it once
[03:24] <xarus> hi qll
[03:24] <Xarver> ok
[03:24] <xarus> all*
[03:24] <tebriel> did it open that time?
[03:25] <Xarver> No success -_-
[03:25] <tebriel> right click?
[03:26] <Xarver> Nope ;(
[03:26] <tebriel> open up terminal
[03:26] <XaRuS> i just wanna know if somebody can help me activating the identd on Konversation here...
[03:26] <tebriel> XaRuS: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/konversation/+question/26634
[03:26] <Xarver> Don't you mean Konsole? :P
[03:26] <Xarver> Lol
[03:27] <tebriel> maybe
[03:27] <Xarver> and then? :P
[03:27] <master_> How do you install a .deb package file from the console?
[03:27] <tebriel> unless i was talking to you from my mac and then got confused
[03:27] <Xarver> O_O
[03:27] <fignew> tebriel: it's connecting fine
[03:28] <Xarver> Now what?
[03:28] <fignew> just having issues with dhcp (timing out too quick?)
[03:28] <tebriel> fignew: i just apt-get remove'd kwireless manager and then everything started working after i restarted knetwork manager
[03:29] <Agent_bob> issue with "mc" not able to read dirs with 16k files in them over fish://
[03:29] <tebriel> Xarver: sudo killall NetworkManager
[03:30] <tebriel> then sudo NetworkManager
[03:31] <cpk1> !ipod
[03:32] <rpedro> what's that alternate main menu for kde 3.5 ?
[03:33] <Agent_bob> ?
[03:34] <Agent_bob> is there one ?
[03:34] <Agent_bob> kmenu is the only thing i remember seeing
[03:35] <rpedro> didn't they make one more the one in kde4?
[03:35] <Xarver> till no wroking
[03:35] <Xarver> 
[03:35] <Xarver> *
[03:35] <cpk1> does amarok support ipods out of the box?
[03:35] <rpedro> more like*
[03:35] <Xarver> D;
[03:36] <Gecko2000> I have World Of Warcraft FINALY up and running on linux.. but i dont know how to make it fullscreen, the closest thing i can do is basically maximize the window but i can still switch from my desktops when i move my mouse to the edge of the screen.. frustrating... help?
[03:36] <Xarver> WoW Sucks.
[03:36] <Gecko2000> lol
[03:36] <Xarver> :D
[03:37] <Xarver> AH! NetworkManager No working :('
[03:37] <Gecko2000> well.. sucky game or not.. i still play it... i would say it's a step up from Runescape lol doubt you even know that one
[03:38] <Gecko2000> :)
[03:39] <Xarver> Runescape... Oh god... :(
[03:39] <tebriel> I miss the days of ShadowBane lol
[03:39] <Gecko2000> lol.. ya
[03:41] <Lord^Anubis> quick question.. installed kubuntu on a computer with a couple of fat32 partitions on it as well, how do i get these fat32 partitions to show up in system:/media in konqueror, with user write access?
[03:41] <Gecko2000> any ideas on my WOW issue??
[03:41] <Gecko2000> anyone?
[03:42] <Lord^Anubis> i have absolutely no idea, but i'm about to try to get it working on a friend's comp
[03:44] <genii> Gecko2000: Maybe ask them in #winehq if you're running it under that
[03:46] <Agent_bob> anyone ever play "conflict"  old nes game ?
[03:49] <Agent_bob> mc is just no good at   fish:///   is it ?
[03:53] <Xarver> Hey any idea how to set the default time for the clock and make it not 24 hour?
[03:54] <Agent_bob> hey   right click on it ?
[03:55]  * genii hands Agent_bob a coffee
[03:56] <tebriel> Xarver: right click |  date & time format | Time & Dates | change time format to the other option, apply, logout log back in
[03:57] <Agent_bob> genii :)
[04:01] <Lord^Anubis> quick question.. installed kubuntu on a computer with a couple of fat32 partitions on it as well, how do i get these fat32 partitions to show up in system:/media in konqueror, with user write access?
[04:02] <Agent_bob> Lord^Anubis wouldn't it be easier to just mount them ?
[04:03] <Agent_bob> Lord^Anubis example.   sudo mount -o umask=000 /dev/hda1 /mnt
[04:04] <Agent_bob> Lord^Anubis also of note is the 'fstab' file system table,  system configuration file in /etc that would control the way they are handled by the system.    pmount is another option.
[04:04] <Agent_bob> !ntfs | Lord^Anubis there are a wiki page or two concerning this also.
[04:05] <powertool08> What is a good distro for a router/firewall?
[04:05]  * Agent_bob would have said "there is" but remembered that the bot was to stupid to work right with that... 
[04:05] <Agent_bob> powertool08 anything stable and secure
[04:05] <powertool08> Agent_bob: which would be?
[04:06] <Agent_bob> powertool08 you could build a router of any linux distro realy
[04:06] <Agent_bob> powertool08 debian is a common choice for that
[04:06] <Agent_bob> ubuntu will work   "use an LTS release"
[04:07] <Agent_bob> slackware has been used by many because of it's basic install/remove approach.     gentoo would be my last choice.   redhat/fedora would work ok.
[04:08] <Agent_bob> powertool08 if you want a really minimal system  there are several builds out there that are tailored for that.
[04:09] <powertool08> Agent_bob: What do you mean minimal?
[04:09] <Agent_bob> if you have to ask that. then you probably don't.
[04:09] <geek> lol
[04:09] <Agent_bob> i mean an entire system on two floppy disks
[04:09] <geek> yup
[04:09] <powertool08> Agent_bob: Well, do you mean minimal as in less features? or as in only cli?
[04:10] <Agent_bob> that would load into 8m of ram on an 80486 and do the job of a router.    ^
[04:11]  * geek thinks i'd just get a linux based router for that ;p
[04:11] <Agent_bob> that's what i mean by "a really minimal system"
[04:11] <geek> 2 floppies?
[04:11] <geek> there's single floppy distros ;p
[04:11] <Agent_bob> geek but you would miss half the fun that way...
[04:11] <Agent_bob> geek yes but i haven't seen a good router on less than two disks
[04:12] <powertool08> Thanks for the info
[04:12] <Agent_bob> not anything with a kernel patched sufficently to call it secure anyway.
[04:12] <Agent_bob> powertool08 welcome.
[04:13] <Agent_bob> you might find an old 2.0 kernel one floppy router still lying around some place tho
[04:13] <Agent_bob> @geek
[04:14] <geek> probably
[04:14] <geek> i'll stick to my WRT box ;p
[04:14] <Agent_bob> wrt  pfft
[04:15] <geek> Agent_bob: well least till i can get a gig-e capable, cheap wifi router
[04:19] <zac_> hey guys
[04:19] <zac_> anyone run into any vmware install problem in hardy?
[04:22] <Agent_bob> zac_ unless you have reason to believe that it's kde related,  you might ask in #ubuntu
[04:25] <zac_> ahh
[04:25] <zac_> i think auto updates upgraded css to 4.2.3 which is causing probs
[04:25] <zac_> but you're right wrong chan
[04:26] <zac_> gss rather
[04:26] <zac_> damn gcc
[04:26] <zac_> its late
[04:26] <Agent_bob> it's a gas man.
[04:26] <Agent_bob> that cgsscgi gcc thang
[04:30] <needhelp> hi i tried to telnet in my terminal but i can't backspace.. can anyone help
[04:35] <Agent_bob> fix_bs_and_del
[04:35] <Agent_bob> it's a command
[04:37] <baudthief> Kontact..... omg
[04:37] <baudthief> *fap*
[04:37] <geek> OO
[04:37] <baudthief> o_O
[04:38] <baudthief> Katapult also rocks
[04:38] <geek> needhelp: just curious, why not use SSH?
[04:38] <geek> its a LOT more secure than sending passwords and such as plaintext
[04:41] <Agent_bob> web browsing these days is no fun.    maybe i'll write a script for reading pages off the web.
[04:42] <sidereal42> i was having trouble with the kde 4.1 'download plasmoids from internet'... is there anything special you have to do?  like add sources or something?
[04:46] <baudthief> I just changed from dolphin to konqueror for direcotry browsing, but now I get progress dialogs like this: http://www.horizons-edge.com.au/progressBar.png
[04:46] <baudthief> *directory
[04:46] <baudthief> Konqueror didn't used to do that before, any idea whats going on?
[04:47] <di48lo> can someone have a look at my fstab and tell me whats wrong with it?
[04:48] <RedAlert> Hello
[04:48] <Agent_bob> di48lo you going to supply a login and password   or did you plan on pastebinning it some pleace ?
[04:52] <Agent_bob> di48lo ?
[05:02] <Agent_bob> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d1b3ce39d
[05:03]  * mr---t- says hi to Agent_bob
[05:04] <Agent_bob> shalom @ mr---t-
[05:04] <Agent_bob> what chars does google use in place of spaces ?
[05:04] <mr---t-> and also with you
[05:04] <raylu> Agent_bob, +
[05:04] <raylu> but if you pass spaces in post, it'll take them too
[05:05] <Agent_bob> raylu i'm having trouble with spaces in a url grab.  i'll try +
[05:05] <raylu> er, by spaces, i meant
[05:05] <raylu> in the query. like, if i query "bob joe"
[05:06] <raylu> it'll have "bob+joe" in the GET query
[05:06] <raylu> ignore what i said about post
[05:10] <Agent_bob> yeah i'm with all that.
[05:10] <Agent_bob> thanks.
[05:23] <Agent_bob> hmmm i get this from google >>> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 403 Forbidden  <<< anyone know how to circumvent this ?
[05:31] <gx009> !schedule
[05:46] <Agent_bob> hmmm i get this from google >>> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 403 Forbidden  <<< anyone know how to circumvent this ?    is this a cookies issue ?
[05:46] <Agent_bob> or browser id maybe ?
[05:47]  * mr---t- shrugs
[05:49] <ere4si> Agent_bob: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_403
[05:55] <Agent_bob> ere4si yeah i was looking for something google specific  tho       explaining that no means no hardly helps.   thanks anyway
[05:56] <ere4si> Agent_bob: you can get that 403 when your browser is asking for the wrong thing
[05:57] <Darkhound-> good evening gentlmen
[05:58] <Agent_bob> ere4si it's not a browser.
[05:59] <Agent_bob> wget   and i found it.   user-agent    i fix.
[05:59] <ere4si> Agent_bob: heh - no wonder google refuses?
[05:59] <ere4si> ohh :)
[05:59] <Agent_bob> ere4si it doesn't now.
[05:59] <Darkhound-> guys,, do you suggest kubuntu over ubuntu for a laptop?
[05:59] <Agent_bob> :)
[05:59] <Darkhound-> what is more user friendly?
[06:00] <Agent_bob> Darkhound- i suggest kubuntu over ubuntu hands down.   but i'm very partial in that reguard.  i simply can't stand gnome.
[06:00] <Darkhound-> Id have to agree
[06:01] <Darkhound-> i like KDE over GNOME
[06:01] <tekgeeklt_> kubuntu is ubuntu its just the kde version
[06:01] <Darkhound-> i am downloading the ISO
[06:01] <Darkhound-> i reallyh like kubuntu`s support
[06:01] <Agent_bob> gnome is the "linux wannabe" of linux desktop environments.   imo
[06:02] <Darkhound-> will kubuntu run ligther than winxp?
[06:03] <Darkhound-> this is my girlfriend`s laptopa and for some erason i cant get it to book any windows CS
[06:03] <Darkhound-> CD
[06:03] <Darkhound-> and she did not like ubuntu
[06:03] <Darkhound-> so im trying kubuntu instead
[06:03] <tekgeeklt_> I run kubuntu on my laptop here and the only thing that doesn't run is my built in webcam
[06:04] <Darkhound-> also
[06:04] <Darkhound-> how good is teh support for ALL IN ONE devices
[06:04] <Darkhound-> she has a epson or cannon, cant recall, all in one
[06:04] <Darkhound-> and i need that to work
[06:06] <tekgeeklt_> I  personally haven't tried a printer here but you would have to try it out ... you can fiddle around with it as a live cd to see if it does find the printer
[06:06] <Darkhound-> what do you mean as "live Cd"?
[06:06] <Agent_bob> Darkhound- "<Darkhound-> will kubuntu run ligther than winxp?"   heh box one... Memory Used/Total Percent: 11/124 MB (8%)
[06:06] <Agent_bob> box two ... Memory Used/Total Percent: 64/502 MB (12%)
[06:07] <Agent_bob> box three Memory Used/Total Percent: 51/438 MB (11%)
[06:07] <Agent_bob> box four ... Memory Used/Total Percent: 7/123 MB (5%)
[06:07] <Agent_bob> those are current conditions in this room i'm in atm.
[06:07] <Darkhound-> very very nice
[06:07] <Agent_bob> no swap on any of them.     short answer is yes.
[06:09] <Agent_bob> only two of them have a gui running atm tho   one is a server. 'box four'  so it will always be lowend
[06:09] <tekgeeklt_> all the ISO's you get from ubuntu are live cd's you can run the whole operating system from the cd without installing anything
[06:09] <Agent_bob> no
[06:10] <tekgeeklt_> most all distrobutions of linux offer a live cd now
[06:10] <Agent_bob> the alternate install cd is not a "live CD" by the late definition thereof           although every install disk sense dos1.0 has been a life system of sorts.
[06:12] <Darkhound-> so you recommend LIVE CD over a regular install?
[06:12] <tekgeeklt_> a live cd is just to test it check out the features .. you can do a of stuff that you get from just a basic install
[06:13] <tekgeeklt_> once you decide that you want that version you click on the install icon
[06:13] <tekgeeklt_> you can see by plugging in the printer if it detects it and try out the all in one features
[06:13] <Darkhound-> I see
[06:14] <tekgeeklt_> you just won't really be able to install any programs or drivers untill you install the OSo
[06:14] <tekgeeklt_> OS
[06:14] <Agent_bob> Darkhound- i don't.  i reccommend the alternate install CD because it's more flexable  but most do like the live CD.
[06:15] <Agent_bob> seeing that you are only taking a poll anyway :)
[06:15] <Agent_bob> !alternate
[06:15] <Agent_bob> !install
[06:16] <tekgeeklt_> I carry about 10 or so live cd's from different distro's with my laptop .. I can show off different types of OS's to people depending on what they like
[06:17] <Agent_bob> there are ten different types of OS's ???
[06:17] <tekgeeklt_> there is over 100 different distrobutions of linux
[06:17]  * Agent_bob only knew about 5 or 6 os's
[06:18] <tekgeeklt_> each has thier own way of operating
[06:18] <Agent_bob> tekgeeklt_ heh but they are all linux
[06:18] <Agent_bob> one os
[06:18] <tekgeeklt_> thats the base kernal
[06:18] <Agent_bob> several windows too but that's one os
[06:18] <tekgeeklt_> there is debian which what ubuntu is based on
[06:19] <Agent_bob> still linux...
[06:19] <tekgeeklt_> there is fedora/redhat , mandrake, slackware
[06:19] <Agent_bob> still linux...
[06:19] <Agent_bob> under the defaults it's the same os.
[06:19] <tekgeeklt_> they are completely different on how they work  different directory structure different ideas on how it should work
[06:20] <Agent_bob> sure they have different defaults.    but in my openion default is only a starting point on the long road to right anway.
[06:20] <tekgeeklt_> one will look completely different from another ...  windows is still just dos with a graphics look added to it
[06:20] <tekgeeklt_> I understand that
[06:21] <Agent_bob> tekgeeklt_ no they aren't "completely different on how they work"   all have the linux kernel and bash shell    that is the os.   the dir struct is very simular accross the board.  /bin /sbin  /etc /proc   /var /usr  all same all distros.....
[06:23] <tekgeeklt_> thats like saying that all cars have an engine so they are all ford?
[06:23] <Agent_bob> they do look "some" different depending on defaults.   but again   that's like five ford pickups on a car lot with different colour paint on each one.    maybe one has crome wheels...  maybe one has a bed liner    still same truck.
[06:23] <Agent_bob> interesting that we both chose the auto industry to make our point    !
[06:24] <tekgeeklt_> and fords hehe
[06:24] <tekgeeklt_> all I am saying is that he has many many choices .. some distros have support that others don't ..   you can find a huge list of all the distros on  www.distrowatch.com
[06:24] <Agent_bob> but what i'm saying is if you look under the hood all the linux flavours are same make and modle   as far as the auto compairison is concerned.
[06:25]  * mr---t- thinks kubuntu is superchsrged
[06:25] <tekgeeklt_> I was all for  pclinuxOS but my wireless network would dump out every time I did large transfers and there was no driver update I try out ubuntu and it works just fine
[06:26] <tekgeeklt_> and pclinuxos is in need for a big update
[06:26] <Agent_bob> yes i agree with the superficial and paint job differances.   indeed
[06:26] <tekgeeklt_> I run pclos on my file server and I use my laptop to watch movies and listen to mp3's around the house from it
[06:27] <mr---t-> i'm out nite all
[06:27] <Agent_bob> mr---t- heh later
[06:27] <tekgeeklt_> I just need to get linux installed on my desktop and figure out how to get my games working on it
[06:28] <Darkhound-> well
[06:28] <Darkhound-> my iso is almost done downloading
[06:29] <tekgeeklt_> well if you are downloading the kubuntu live cd just burn the iso to a cd and then reboot the computer let it start up  play with it a bit and see what you like about it
[06:29] <tekgeeklt_> it will not alter anything on your computer
[06:29] <tekgeeklt_> when you are done you can just restart the computer without the cd and be back to where you were
[06:31] <Agent_bob> or click the install icon
[06:31] <tekgeeklt_> yea if you like it enough you can just install right there
[06:33] <tekgeeklt> oh you wanna hear funny ... I was copying all my fonts from my file server to my laptop into the .fonts directory in my home directory and then firefox started using one of the fonts as the main text in all websites
[06:34] <tekgeeklt> firefox says its using serif as the font .. but it picked up a font called  5 cent which is a graffitti type font so everything was screwed up
[06:35] <tekgeeklt> I got rid of the font and rebooted everything and it still is doing the same thing I had to set firefox to use whatever font the website is using .. still trying to figure out why it did this
[06:35] <eritrea_> can anyone streem nbc.com shows
[06:41] <tekgeeklt> I went to nbc.com and tried to run a show but its just sitting there could be that its slow or down?  its just adobe flash player that plays it
[06:41] <Darkhound-> guys, i downloaded hashcalc
[06:42] <tekgeeklt> okay a calculator?
[06:43] <Darkhound-> no
[06:43] <Darkhound-> i think it is to check the checksum thingy
[06:43] <Darkhound-> for the ISO
[06:43] <Darkhound-> correct?
[06:43] <tekgeeklt> hrmm I looked up hashcalc and its a calculator heh ...  I am not sure what it is
[06:44] <tekgeeklt> I just download an Iso and then burn it to cd as an image
[06:44] <Darkhound-> HashCalc
[06:44] <Darkhound-> yes, but the iso can contain errors
[06:44] <tekgeeklt> okay yea the site says it can do file checks
[06:44] <Agent_bob> !md5
[06:45] <tekgeeklt> when you go to burn the iso image it will do an md5 check
[06:45] <tekgeeklt> depending on what burner software you use
[06:45] <Agent_bob> that's process dependant
[06:50] <Agent_bob> ok if anyone is board,  ya might want to fix this    or just play with it...  http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d68af4a78
[06:50] <Agent_bob> bored
[06:50] <Agent_bob> even
[06:50] <Agent_bob> heh lumber as opposed to slumber
[06:59] <Agent_bob> help screen added  http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d849ad53   i'm done with it.
[07:05] <Darkhound-> good night guys
[07:13] <sammy_> i have a bcm4306 wireless card ive been trying for 3 days o et working can someone please help me thyvm
[07:17] <sammy_> i guess nobody knows anything about the bcm4306?
[07:18] <emilsedgh> !wireless | sammy_
[07:19] <tekgeeklt> there is a ton of web pages just for that driver issue with ubuntu
[07:19] <favro> sammy_: maybe mention what you've done so far...
[07:19] <sammy_> i have tried i dont know what im doing wrong im new to this im sorry
[07:20] <tekgeeklt> sounds like its a winmodem type network card it has no linux drivers?
[07:20] <sammy_> well i just did a fresh install i have treid every guide i could find i knnow im doing something wrong just dont know what
[07:20] <tekgeeklt> from the page I looked up it suggested using the ndiswrapper which uses windows drivers but its kinda difficult to set up
[07:21] <tekgeeklt> has it ever worked in linux
[07:21] <sammy_> on pclinux it has
[07:21] <sammy_> i tried ndis im not that advanced
[07:22] <sammy_> sorry im just a newbie
[07:22] <tekgeeklt> alot of us are
[07:22] <tekgeeklt> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=95380
[07:22] <sammy_> lol
[07:22] <tekgeeklt> I know I am
[07:23] <tekgeeklt> i used pclos on this laptop and the wireless drivers were not working well for me
[07:23] <tekgeeklt> I changed to ubuntu and havent had a problem
[07:24] <sammy_> i had no probs with pclinux it worked right after install but i want the repos that kubuntu has
[07:25] <_2> s/kubuntu/ubuntu/
[07:27] <tekgeeklt> yea
[07:27] <sammy_> in this link do i have to type the $ sign into terminal?http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=95380
[07:27] <_2> sammy prolly not
[07:27] <sammy_> cool ty ill try this
[07:28] <tekgeeklt> no I don't think so
[07:28] <tekgeeklt> I had to do the same thing with pclinuxos I had to do an ndiswrapper to get something working
[07:28] <Chrysalis> simply stands from promt.. that you have to type it in a terminal
[07:28] <Chrysalis> prompt*
[07:29] <sammy_> k thanks Chrysalis
[07:29] <_2> when in doubt, just do it.
[07:30] <_2> :)
[07:30] <_2> bash: $: command not found
[07:30] <_2> will tell you if it is not right
[07:30] <sammy_> ok thanks
[07:31] <sammy_> ok im on HP web site im not sure which drivers to get here is the link http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/softwareList?os=228&lc=en&dlc=en&cc=us&lang=en&product=423735
[07:36] <sammy_> ok it says that sudo ndiswrapper -i /opt/wireless/driver.inf command not found
[07:37] <tekgeeklt> that would be your drivers
[07:37] <tekgeeklt> you have to edit that to point to your specific drivers
[07:38] <sammy_> what do i edit this command line stuff im lost
[07:38] <tekgeeklt> you type it in, in a command window
[07:38] <tekgeeklt> you should have the drivers in a directory
[07:39] <tekgeeklt> like /home/user/driver.inf
[07:39] <tekgeeklt> what ever yours is
[07:39] <sammy_> i daved the drivers in my home folder it is a exe file
[07:40] <favro> sammy_: an exe file is no good - you need to install it in windows and use the inf file
[07:40] <sammy_> i dont have windows on any computer
[07:41] <tekgeeklt> well there is 3 sets of drivers on that site you linked above
[07:41] <sammy_> yes
[07:42] <sammy_> i choose the 1st one
[07:42] <tekgeeklt> did you download all 3? one should have an inf file ... the inf is just a text file that gives the paramaters of what your device needs
[07:42] <sammy_> ill download the 2nd one now
[07:44] <tekgeeklt> I can't duplicate what you have to do exactly since you have different hardware I am just trying to give you what I can
[07:44] <sammy_> both are V4 and exe files
[07:44] <sammy_> thats cool im doing my best
[07:45] <willgreg> Is this an ndiswrapper thing?
[07:45] <sammy_> yea
[07:46] <sammy_> i need drivers for bcm4306 wireless card
[07:46] <tekgeeklt> yea he is trying to get the correct drivers for his wireless card
[07:46] <willgreg> I just joined, what model wifi card?
[07:46] <willgreg> sorry lol, already told me
[07:46] <sammy_> lol
[07:47] <favro> sammy_: from here - http://www.linuxant.com/pipermail/driverloader/2004q1/000586.html - it seems you can unzip the exe to get the inf files...how tho I dunno
[07:47] <HaSH> favro, try cabextract
[07:47] <tekgeeklt> I downloaded one and I could not unzip it .... do you have any way of getting into a windows computer to unzip these files and burn them to cd?
[07:47] <willgreg> Sammy, is this a desktop or laptop?
[07:47] <HaSH> i think thats what its called
[07:48] <sammy_> laptop
[07:48] <willgreg> Sammy, what model laptop?
[07:48] <tekgeeklt> when I looked up the model number of the wireless card there was questions for this from 2 years ago heh
[07:48] <sammy_> it is HP pavilion zv5255us
[07:50] <_2> !info unzip | tekgeeklt
[07:50] <illmortal> does anyone know a good site to build/customize a PC?
[07:51] <sammy_> willgreg: any ideas
[07:51] <tekgeeklt> this is an exe file I really don't know how to unzip that
[07:52] <tekgeeklt> I am looking at other pages where people have installed ubuntu with no problems on that laptop
[07:52] <sammy_> tekgeeklt: tyvm i have no idea this is reall flusterating
[07:52] <tekgeeklt> strange that yours has a problem with the card
[07:52] <tekgeeklt> are you hard wired in right now?
[07:52] <sammy_> yea
[07:52] <willgreg> Sammy, have you tried the HP site?
[07:53] <sammy_> willgreg: thats where i got the exe drivers
[07:53] <willgreg> Oh
[07:53] <tekgeeklt> okay have you opened the package manager and try doing a full fetch updates and then do a full update of everything?
[07:53] <sammy_> no
[07:53] <tekgeeklt> open up adept manager
[07:54] <tekgeeklt> it should be under system
[07:54] <tekgeeklt> sometimes you will get newer drivers for stuff like that its worth a try
[07:54] <_2> tekgeeklt you unzip it with     unzip filename.exe
[07:55] <_2> tekgeeklt it may need installed    sudo apt-get install unzip
[07:55] <tekgeeklt> kool
[07:55] <tekgeeklt> I will look at that
[07:55] <sammy_> i dont see full update but i see full upgrade
[07:56] <tekgeeklt> did you open up adept manager ... not the add remove programs
[07:56] <sammy_> yea
[07:56] <_2> if they are self extracting archives (zip files with executable the pkunzip executable added)  then you unzip as with any other zip archive   same switches apply.
[07:56] <jussi01> sammy_: did you get your exe unzipped?
[07:56] <tekgeeklt> there is a button on the top says fetch updates
[07:57] <_2> just an     fyi     tekgeeklt  ^
[07:57] <Kristy> hello guys
[07:57] <Kristy> i have a dumb question..
[07:57] <tekgeeklt> then there is one called full upgrade
[07:57] <sammy_> k its updating now
[07:57] <Kristy> how can i add the trash can to the desktop... and not to the taskbar?
[07:58] <_2> Kristy tried dragging and dropping it on the desktop ?
[07:58] <sammy_> jussi no i have not
[07:58] <_2> sammy_    unzip filename.exe
[07:59] <sammy_> ok ill try that
[07:59] <_2> sammy_ if needed    install "unzip" first
[07:59] <sammy_> ok
[07:59] <tekgeeklt> you get to learn soo much in here hehe
[07:59] <jussi01> !trashicon | Kristy
[08:00] <sammy_> i have to wait for the updates
[08:00] <Kristy> it does not work
[08:00] <_2> jussi01 i haven't tested it in so long i forgot.  but doesn't dragging it from the taskbar to the desktop work too ?
[08:01] <Kristy> thanks
[08:02]  * _2 starts kde to test that... then remembers that his kde is setup to not even have a taskbar...
[08:02] <jussi01> _2: dont think so. thatll only give you the icon to open it, not a trash applet that you can drop into iirc
[08:02] <_2> jussi01 ah ok.   well then right clicking the desktop and configuring ?
[08:05] <Kristy> ok
[08:05] <tekgeeklt> I am supposed to be packing for a trip tomorrow and I keep delaying it
[08:07]  * _2 never did learn to use "trash" anyway.  when i delete something i don't want it moved. i want it gone... ;/
[08:07] <sammy_> it did not unzip
[08:07] <_2> sammy_ what output did the command give ?
[08:08] <sammy_> Archive:  sp30381.exe
[08:08] <sammy_>   End-of-central-directory signature not found.  Either this file is not
[08:08] <sammy_>   a zipfile, or it constitutes one disk of a multi-part archive.  In the
[08:08] <sammy_>   latter case the central directory and zipfile comment will be found on
[08:08] <sammy_>   the last disk(s) of this archive.
[08:08] <sammy_> note:  sp30381.exe may be a plain executable, not an archive
[08:08] <sammy_> unzip:  cannot find zipfile directory in one of sp30381.exe or
[08:08] <sammy_>         sp30381.exe.zip, and cannot find sp30381.exe.ZIP, period.
[08:08] <jussi01> !paste
[08:09] <jussi01> sammy_: did you try cabextact?
[08:09] <sammy_> no i tried unzip
[08:09] <sammy_> jussi how do i do that
[08:09] <jussi01> sammy_: install cabextract,
[08:10] <sammy_> couldnt find package
[08:10] <_2> yep most likely that's not a zip file
[08:10] <sammy_> so now what
[08:10] <_2> oh   and    file blah.exe  will tell you what it is
[08:10] <_2> !info cabextract
[08:11] <_2> sammy_ spell it correctly ?
[08:11] <jussi01> sudo apt-get install cabextract
[08:12] <jussi01> then cabextract filename.exe
[08:12] <sammy_> ok that installed it
[08:13] <_2> no
[08:13] <_2> that extracted it
[08:13] <sammy_> i think that worked
[08:13] <_2> oh the apt get    heh sorry  i'm behind
[08:14]  * jussi01 hugs _2
[08:15] <sammy_> this command is still not found  sudo ndiswrapper -i /opt/wireless/driver.inf
[08:15] <jussi01> sammy_: have you installed ndiswrapper?
[08:16] <jussi01> is /opt/wireless/driver.inf where the .inf file is?
[08:16] <sammy_> yea i think i know what i did wrong give me a min
[08:17] <emilsedgh> !leet > belendax
[08:17] <sammy_> jussi i think i did
[08:18] <sammy_> can i check it somway
[08:18] <jussi01> sammy_: try sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper
[08:18] <jussi01> that will tell you.
[08:19] <sammy_> says it cant find it
[08:19] <jussi01> oh yeah
[08:20] <jussi01> sammy_: theres an easy way to do the installing
[08:20] <sammy_> k
[08:20] <sammy_> how
[08:20] <jussi01> sammy_: try sudo apt-get install ndisgtk
[08:20] <jussi01> that installs a little graphical app
[08:21] <sammy_> ok now what
[08:22] <jussi01> sammy_: it should be now in your manu's
[08:22] <jussi01> menu's*
[08:22] <jussi01> maybe under system?
[08:22] <sammy_> is it called windows network drivers
[08:23] <jussi01> yeah
[08:23] <sammy_> ok
[08:23] <jussi01> quite likely
[08:23] <_2> manu is singular and menu is plural jussi01 ?    :)))
[08:23] <jussi01> oh shut up _2 :P
[08:24] <sammy_> ok now what do i install the exe or something else
[08:24] <_2> sorry  :(
[08:24] <jussi01> sammy_: no, when you cabextracted the exe, then it would have extracted the files somewhere. go to that place and find the .inf file
[08:24] <sammy_> ok
[08:25] <sammy_> ok do i need to install anything else
[08:25] <jussi01> sammy_: shouldnt afaik.
[08:26] <sammy_> ?afaik
[08:26] <jussi01> as far as i know
[08:27] <sammy_> ok i still cant see my wireless card
[08:27]  * _2 wonders if there are any womenu's in kubuntu  ....   :)
[08:28] <jussi01> sammy_: is the radio on?
[08:28] <jussi01> ie. is there a hardware switch?
[08:28] <frybye> _2: you can probably fix some of your own.. i.e. save links to fashion/comestics/kids etc etc www pages...
[08:29] <sammy_> yes and its not working
[08:29] <frybye> _2: goodness I forgot one of the most important "shoes" heheh
[08:29] <_2> :)
[08:30] <jussi01> sammy_: try a restart, at least of x.
[08:30] <sammy_> ok be back in a min
[08:31] <_2> i have a script that is way too slow.  it needs speeded up by at least a magnatude.   any ideas ?
[08:32] <_2> it's been running for about 9 hours and only cycled 90k times    i was hoping for at least 50m cycles in 8 hours...
[08:33] <frybye> _2: I am pretty clueless.. but I guess for anybody to help they will need to know a bit about what the script is supposed to be doing..?
[08:34] <frybye> _2: somehow i have the feeling that your script might not be 100% "Kosher?" or??
[08:34] <_2> frybye it's looking for a spicific string in a randomly generated glob
[08:34] <sammy_> still no wireless
[08:34] <frybye> i c
[08:35] <_2> frybye kosher :)))
[08:35] <frybye> <-- always thinking he has stumbled on the -next big scam/conspiracy- heheh
[08:35] <_2> frybye trying to appeal to my nativity are we ?
[08:35] <frybye> kosher in the abstract sence.. ie - legit...
[08:36] <frybye> _2: not really pal...
[08:36]  * _2 hales frybye     Shalom Aleichem frybye   ;)
[08:37] <_2> well anyway.   it's quite kosher
[08:38] <Agent_bob> i can't really do anything  un-kosher  now can i....  ;/
[08:38] <frybye> _2 you still there...?
[08:39] <frybye> I just noticed the indent- completion of the nick is no longer working...?
[08:39] <Agent_bob> yes
[08:39] <frybye> eh.. now I am confused...
[08:39] <Agent_bob> nick cycled
[08:40] <Agent_bob> >>> You(_2) are now known as Agent_bob
[08:40] <frybye> ef eh nu Schalom Aleichem - yimkin baahdehn - in scha Allah .. heheh
[08:40] <frybye> bit OT though... tut tut...
[08:42] <Agent_bob> yeah more fights start that way than are nessecary anyway
[08:42] <Agent_bob> nessascary
[08:42] <frybye> true true back to -> kubuntu support I guess.. heheh
[08:42] <frybye> hmm must remember that won - nessascary.. hehehe
[08:43] <Agent_bob> :)
[08:43] <frybye> sounds like newspeak from the homland defenze authority.. heheh
[08:43] <Agent_bob> i win     yea!
[08:43] <Agent_bob> oh that won    never mind.
[08:44] <frybye> "we have sciezed your library- book rekords - because it was nessascary...!" hheheh
[08:44] <Tm_T> ...
[08:45] <frybye> I have been out of the engl. lang countries toooo long ... sorry.. wone of this and 2wo of those..
[08:45] <frybye> Enuff...
[08:45] <Agent_bob> homeland defenze is a nessascary evil
[08:48] <frybye>  c u later - i am off for a bit...
[08:49] <neeraj> hi
[08:49] <neeraj> any one from india ?
[08:50] <Agent_bob> only a few billion...
[08:50] <neeraj> ?????????
[08:50] <Agent_bob> oh that's not what you mean tho.  sorry.
[08:51] <neeraj> ??
[08:51] <neeraj> i have a problem help
[08:51] <Agent_bob> !ask
[08:52] <neeraj> ok
[08:53] <neWbie> sorry guys does anybody know how to "melt" two images with GIMP? if yes please PM me thank you
[08:53] <neeraj> when i m opening mt terminal and writing su . its ask me for password but password is not accepting
[08:53] <neeraj> when i m opening my terminal and writing su . its ask me for password but password is not accepting
[08:54] <Agent_bob> !sudo | neeraj
[08:54] <Agent_bob> neeraj sudo -i
[08:54] <Agent_bob> neeraj and use your user password.
[08:54] <neeraj> neeraj@neeraj ~ $  !sudo | neeraj
[08:55] <neeraj> bash: !sudo: event not found
[08:55] <neeraj> neeraj@neeraj ~ $
[08:56] <Agent_bob> !bot | neeraj
[08:56] <neeraj> no problem is when terminal is asking for password than no input from keyboard is accepting  by terminal
[08:56] <IppatsuMan> the password is just not shown on screen for security reasons
[08:58] <neeraj> oh! thanks for thisinformation
[08:58] <Agent_bob> simular to:   read -sp "type now        " Q ;echo "$Q"
[08:59] <neeraj> neeraj@neeraj ~ $ su
[08:59] <neeraj> Password:
[08:59] <Agent_bob> accepts input without echoing it to the display,  then i caused it to echo it to display after you finish typing and hit [enter] key
[09:00] <Agent_bob> neeraj no.  not su
[09:00] <Agent_bob> neeraj sudo -i
[09:00] <Agent_bob> neeraj and use your user password.
[09:01] <Agent_bob> neeraj and if you would read the link sent to you by the robot you would know this already.   " https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo "
[09:01] <neeraj> what is difference bitween su & sudo -i
[09:01] <neeraj> ok thanks
[09:02] <Agent_bob> read the link
[09:02] <neeraj> im
[09:02] <neeraj> i m reading
[09:07] <Agent_bob> the long and short of the answer is this,   "su" allows a user to "switch users" as if they logged into the other users account, using the other users password.    sudo lets the "root jr." or admin account execute things as other users by only supplying the "root jr." password.   su is not very configurable without recompiling it.   sudo is highly configurable via the /etc/sudoers file which can be edited with the command "vis
[09:07] <geek> also, sudo only elevates the permissions duriing that command IIRC?
[09:08] <geek> while su switches over to the user (and you'd then need to switch back(
[09:08] <Agent_bob> note: one should not edit /etc/usdoers without having one root terminal/console shell open in case they accidently lock themselves out of admin ability.
[09:08] <Agent_bob> geek   sudo -i     ==    su -
[09:09] <Agent_bob> geek and things can be executed the same way with su as they are with sudo      su command here   ...
[09:09] <geek> Agent_bob: er, what does i do again?
[09:10] <Agent_bob> geek   -i  is to sudo as - is to su
[09:10] <Agent_bob> geek man either for details.
[09:15] <Agent_bob> for the record i am not a proponent of the default *buntu use of sudo    i do like the sudo concept when it is configured correctly.  but making one user "root jr."  is little if any more secure than simply setting a root password.
[09:16] <Tm_T> Agent_bob: it's safer for system from user
[09:16] <Agent_bob> especally when it's the first/default/and in many cases only  user account.
[09:16] <Agent_bob> Tm_T debatable and often debated.   i'll leave it alone though.
[09:17] <Tm_T> Agent_bob: aye
[09:19]  * Agent_bob posts his entire /etc/sudoers     ALL ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL
[09:25] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[09:26] <Agent_bob> i wonder if it breaks anything on a box that i change the uid=0 account   and it no longer has a root account ???
[09:28] <ActionParsnip> Agent_bob: backup the fstab, try it
[09:28] <ActionParsnip> Agent_bob: if its craps out, boot to livecd and restore
[09:31] <Agent_bob> fstab ?
[09:31] <Agent_bob> you mean /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow  don't you ?
[09:31] <White_Pelican> I need help with the upgrade of k3b
[09:31] <ActionParsnip> oh i thought you were on about uuids for mounting
[09:32] <ActionParsnip> White_Pelican: sudo apt-get install k3b
[09:32] <Agent_bob> and i'll have to adjust the startup scripts just a little.
[09:32] <ActionParsnip> White_Pelican: wassup?
[09:32] <White_Pelican> adept notifier tells me it's upgradable then it says no change
[09:32] <ActionParsnip> White_Pelican: can you give us a patebin of the last few lines you get please
[09:33] <White_Pelican> if I request it, it wants to remove ksblibs2 library and bring in k3b3libs
[09:33] <White_Pelican> ok hang on
[09:33] <ActionParsnip> Agent_bob: i was trying to get dell accredited last night and my brains all frazzled
[09:33] <ActionParsnip> !paste | White_Pelican
[09:33] <Smokey1> ﻿Hey people. Where does Kontact store addresses. WHen I delete them and restart Kontact, they keep coming back. I am running kde 3.5
[09:34] <Agent_bob> ActionParsnip lol   i stand under you.     ;/
[09:34] <ActionParsnip> Smokey1: do you mean for the autocomplete of address
[09:34] <ActionParsnip> Agent_bob: oh its nothing technical, just so i can call dell to sort out a server if the drive or ram fails
[09:35] <ActionParsnip> ut the questions are retarded
[09:35] <Smokey1> ActionParsnip:  No, When I actually delete contacts in Kontact, they disappear as they should, but then when I close Kontact and start it again, all contacts are back.
[09:36] <Smokey1> So where are they stored. Where does Kontact store it's contact information? I can't find it in ~/.kde/share/apps
[09:36] <Smokey1> I want to manually delete all of them
[09:36] <White_Pelican> ActionParsnip, http://pastebin.com/m5e0609a2
[09:36] <ActionParsnip> White_Pelican: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:36] <White_Pelican> I did that
[09:36] <White_Pelican> that's the result
[09:38] <White_Pelican> NM that was the wrong paste
[09:38] <ActionParsnip> White_Pelican: is it working ok?
[09:39] <White_Pelican> not yet
[09:39] <ActionParsnip> Smokey1: are the people anywhere else in kontact, i dont use it so im kinda fishing for logical ideas
[09:40] <ActionParsnip> White_Pelican: you could remove k3b and then apt-get clean then install it
[09:40] <Smokey1> ActionParsnip: not that I know. NEver used it before myself.
[09:40] <Agent_bob> Smokey1 find ~ -iname '*kontact*'
[09:40] <Smokey1> Ah, found it: ~/.kde/share/apps/kabc
[09:40] <ActionParsnip> White_Pelican: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html
[09:41] <White_Pelican> http://pastebin.com/m1092b46b
[09:41] <ActionParsnip> White_Pelican: scroll to 3.4
[09:41] <Smokey1> Agent_bob: id that. grep "somecontactname" * -Rl worked
[09:41] <White_Pelican> there's the paste bin you need to look at
[09:41] <ActionParsnip> apt-get -s?
[09:41] <White_Pelican> yes
[09:41] <White_Pelican> simulate
[09:41] <ActionParsnip> ahh
[09:42] <ActionParsnip> looks ok to me
[09:43] <White_Pelican> (synonyms --simulate --just-print --dry-run --recon --no-act)
[09:43] <Agent_bob> Krap! this is too easy...     UID0="`grep ':0:0:' /etc/passwd | cut -d':' -f1`"    doesn't matter what you do to uid=0 account short of deleting it.  it's instantly accessable.
[09:43] <ActionParsnip> White_Pelican: i always just go for it
[09:43] <White_Pelican> I don't wanna screw up k3b
[09:43] <White_Pelican> I use it all the time
[09:44] <White_Pelican> with all due respect to the developers in the room, if one of them has made a mistake...
[09:44] <ActionParsnip> White_Pelican: well if it aint broke dont fix it
[09:44] <White_Pelican> true
[09:45] <ActionParsnip> White_Pelican: id see whats new and if its relevant to what you do
[09:45] <ActionParsnip> White_Pelican: if not then you arent gaining so its not worth any sort of risk
[09:45] <busfahrer> If I have a lot of DVD's to backup, would it be a bad idea to run two instances of k3b, one for copying a DVD to hdd, one to burn? (I have a DVD reader on an ATA bus and a burner on a SATA bus)
[09:45] <Agent_bob> White_Pelican heh without developers making a mistake there would be no bug....     it's a given.
[09:45] <White_Pelican> very true
[09:45] <White_Pelican> thanks for the help
[09:46] <ActionParsnip> busfahrer: why do you need k3b to copy from cd to harddrive?
[09:47] <busfahrer> ActionParsnip: I don't know. The question really was about doing those two tasks at once, not so much about the 2 k3b instances (I would assume that part would be no problem?)
[09:47] <ActionParsnip> busfahrer: ive never tried to be honest, ive always had one drive
[09:48] <busfahrer> Oh well, I'll just try it at the risk of producing a coaster :-)
[09:48] <ActionParsnip> busfahrer: but if you are simply copying then id use cp, dd or mkisofs at cli and leave the burning to k3b
[09:51] <ActionParsnip> busfahrer: its only 1 disk,just to test and it may be a ood sacrifice to help learn what ubuntu can and can not do
[09:52] <[pyro]> ActionParsnip: you will be able to copy from dvd/cd to hdd and burn at the same time. Ive done it with no problems.
[09:52] <ActionParsnip> [pyro]: its for busfahrer
[09:53] <[pyro]> ah sorry
[09:53] <[pyro]> didnt readup far enough :)
[09:53] <busfahrer> [pyro]: I can't open 2 instances of k3b though, how did you do it?
[09:53] <[pyro]> huh? you dont need k3b to copy from cd/dvd to hdd
[09:53] <[pyro]> just mount the cd/dvd up and cp it over
[09:54] <ActionParsnip> [pyro]: thats what he asked and i told him the same too
[09:54] <[pyro]> oh right
[09:54] <busfahrer> [pyor]: cp? I want an ISO...
[09:54]  * [pyro] reads up
[09:54] <[pyro]>   ActionParsnip:  busfahrer: but if you are simply copying then id use cp, dd or mkisofs at cli and leave the burning to k3b
[09:55] <ActionParsnip> busfahrer: dd if=/dev/<whatever cd drive is> of =~/somefile.iso
[09:55] <busfahrer> dd can have troubles with dual layer, apparently
[09:55] <[pyro]> give it a go :)
[09:56] <Agent_bob> it's the encription that makes dvd/cdrom disks give i/o errors.   they purposly destroy the disk in stratigic spots.
[09:57] <Agent_bob> then the decription protocal skips the "know" bad spots.
[09:58] <[pyro]> busfahrer: are you trying to dump vob files while burning a cd /dvd ?
[09:58] <ActionParsnip1> busfahrer: loadsa people were in #ubuntu saying "oh firefox is faster than opera"
[09:58] <Agent_bob> ddrescue  might be able to copy one.  i haven't tried.
[09:58] <ActionParsnip1> busfahrer: so i simply replied "not on my pc"
[09:59] <Agent_bob> emacs is better than kate
[09:59]  * Agent_bob watches the editor war take flight
[10:00] <ActionParsnip1> Agent_bob: i use nano and kate
[10:01] <Smokey1> Hey people. I am now using the kde pim (kontact) stuff succesfully, but the calendar which is included with the clock applet in the panel doesn't show the calendar items which I have in Kontact
[10:01] <Smokey1> is there a way to have that include all the items which are in my kontact calendar
[10:02] <ActionParsnip1> Smokey1: no idea buddy
[10:05] <_Alfer_> Hello! I have some problems with my hdd on my notebook. Sometimes it squeaks. And it is very interesting? becose it squeks only in KDE (I now, but it is true). Have anyone any ideas how to treat this?
[10:06] <ActionParsnip1> _Alfer_: boot to lovecd and fsck it
[10:06] <_Alfer_> How?
[10:07] <_Alfer_> what is fsck?
[10:07] <Smokey1> _Alfer_: filesystem check
[10:07] <frybye> _Alfer_: tried man fsck  ??
[10:07] <_Alfer_> no =)
[10:08] <_Alfer_> ok.
[10:08] <frybye> <-- is in "smart alec mode" today.. ;/(
[10:19] <_Alfer_> Thaks, but fsck doesnt help
[10:20] <_Alfer_> i have a normal hdd. It new(about a year) and it work correctly in windows or in just ubuntu or any other gnome-linux
[10:21] <ActionParsnip1> _Alfer_: thats why youuse live environment
[10:21] <ActionParsnip1> _Alfer_: so its not mounted
[10:22] <_Alfer_> is it a question?
[10:22] <ActionParsnip1> _Alfer_: huh?
[10:23] <_Alfer_> ooo, my English is not very good, as you can see... So sometimes i can anderstand what peolpe a saying =)
[10:23] <_Alfer_> *cant
[10:23] <ActionParsnip1> _Alfer_: boot to live cd, open konsole
[10:23] <ActionParsnip1> use fsck there
[10:23] <_Alfer_> yes
[10:24] <frybye> _Alfer_: maybe your h-disk just developed a fault at the same time as you installed kde... if onyl a year old it is under garanty or..?
[10:24] <frybye> one year old disks do sometimes go wrong...
[10:24] <_Alfer_> no-no The problem is just in KDe
[10:25] <_Alfer_> It is not the first time
[10:25] <ActionParsnip1> frybye: they have 1 years warranty from the manufacturer
[10:25] <ActionParsnip1> usually
[10:25] <frybye> I cant really see how a different grafic user interface can cause a h-disk to physically squeek.. are you perhaps having a joke here...?
[10:26] <ActionParsnip1> frybye: not heard that one, whats the punchline?
[10:26] <_Alfer_> so now ia have 2 os my notebook: its Mandriva(with gnome) and kubuntu
[10:26] <frybye> action - dont know where you/he is - here in the EU all industrial products carry 2 year guarantie...
[10:26] <frybye> its law...
[10:26] <_Alfer_> and there is now this problem in Mandriva
[10:26] <frybye> ActionParsnip1: I mean that the question could be a troll...
[10:27] <ActionParsnip1> _Alfer_: mandriva uses kde by default
[10:27] <chairman> do kubuntu have a internet security software?
[10:27] <frybye> ActionParsnip1: a bit like "my keyboard is noisy - but only when I type french... ehhh?"
[10:27] <_Alfer_> Chairman, firewall?
[10:27] <ActionParsnip1> frybye: gotcha
[10:28] <deamoon> hi ppl
[10:28] <_Alfer_> frybye, no it real problem.
[10:28] <deamoon> couldu tell me how can i get 3D desctop
[10:28] <ActionParsnip1> deamoon: have you installed your graphics drivers?
[10:28] <deamoon> i downloaded compiz
[10:28] <deamoon> yes
[10:29] <ActionParsnip1> deamoon: you can get it from repos
[10:29] <frybye> _Alfer_: ok - so I beleive you - do you have an idea how a different software could get a different physical behavior from a h-disk??
[10:29] <ActionParsnip1> !compiz | deamoon
[10:29] <ActionParsnip1> deamoon: support isnt here for compiz
[10:29] <deamoon> ok i c
[10:29] <deamoon> im nob in linux
[10:29] <deamoon> so
[10:30] <ActionParsnip1> deamoon: if you have your graphics driver installed its #compiz for you
[10:30] <_Alfer_> frybye, seriosly no
[10:30] <deamoon> ty
[10:31] <frybye> _Alfer_: right - so that is exactly the reason my suggestion was that the disk might have developed a problem which happend to happen at the time you started using kde...?
[10:33] <frybye> eh - I am not sure about on kubuntu - but in win... there are a number of utilities that can test a disk for its operation.. perhaps sbdy else can tell you an app under linux.. to test the physical performance/surface condition etc..?
[10:33] <ActionParsnip1> frybye: chkdsk
[10:33] <_Alfer_>  frybye, i sometimes use kde and sometimes i use gnome. And it problem  i have only then i am using kde. I dont say that the problem in kde, but it exist only then i use kde
[10:33] <frybye> perhaps fdsk has command extensions for this stuff.. i am not sure...?
[10:35] <frybye> _Alfer_: excuse the somewhat lame question - but are you sure that the sound is actually physically comming from the h-disk and is not some background noise that is comming off your sound system/driver etc due to different settings in kde...?
[10:36] <frybye> or from the little pc-speaker if you still have one - they do make really strange noises occasionally...
[10:38] <_Alfer_>  frybye, yes at 99% . As i say i have a notebook and sound a actually near hdd. But what can make this sound even if sound is swiched off or i use headphones?
[10:39] <_Alfer_>  frybye, in default kubuntu
[10:43] <frybye> _Alfer_:  you beat me there.. I guess notbooks would not normally have one of the little pc-speakers that desktops used to hve some time back... you know the thing that produces the beeps to report faults during booting etc...
[10:45] <g33k_gir1> can anybody help me get my mic working?
[10:45] <g33k_gir1> I've run alsamixer, all the sliders are at max, nothing is muted
[10:46] <valentinex> hey x( I want to move ubuntu to kubuntu any easy way?
[10:47] <_Alfer_>  frybye, notebook use standart  pc-speakers to system "beep". And if you use headphones it beeps in headphones
[10:48] <valentinex> how to install KDE? where to download from official site?
[10:48] <_Alfer_>  frybye, actuallu my notebook duing so even you in bios
[10:48] <valentinex> I am new new user
[10:48] <frybye> _Alfer_: I am stumped - cant really imagine what can be happening... sure there are functions of a h-disk that from the softwear level can be controlled.. but this is not what should be happening just cos you run kde...
[10:48] <Assurbanipal> is there a way to automatically assign apps with filetypes through firefox?
[10:49] <_Alfer_>  frybye, so i`m to...
[10:49] <frybye> _Alfer_: like parking the read/write head etc.. but none of this will be running just cos you are useing kde...
[10:50] <valentinex> KDE 4.1 released! http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.1 more on #kubuntu-kde4
[10:50] <frybye> _Alfer_: buy a new notebook ... ;=(
[10:50] <_Alfer_> So, thank you. You are all more friendly than people in russian irc-servers =)
[10:51] <_Alfer_> i just try to reinstall kde. Like i do it in windows
[10:51] <frybye> _Alfer_:  we Brits have a reputating for smiling while we slip our hands into your pockets hehehehe (at least here in Germany a few perhaps think this... heheh)
[10:51] <_Alfer_> he-he-he
[10:52] <frybye> which kde do you use...?
[10:52] <frybye> if u havekde3 now try kde4.1 or visa versa...?
[11:36] <Z3r0C001> hey guys!
[11:47] <tel> opa
[11:48] <Z3r0C001> hello!
[11:50] <tel> portuguese
[11:52] <tel> algum tc portuguese ou BRAZIL
[11:52] <favro> !pt
[12:47] <starenka> hi. got problems using kaffeine & subtitles. every time a new subtitle line appears, the movie gets stuck for couple ms.. this is really annoying. ty
[12:48] <amerigo> ! wubi
[12:51] <lokai> what is the easiest way to know if I have a wireless card built-in?
[12:53] <powertool08> lokai: use "lspci"
[12:53] <valentinex> Hi I just finished installing Kubuntu teach me how to handle .deb files with kubuntu?
[12:53] <lokai> and search for what, powertool08
[12:53] <lokai> lspci -v | grep ?
[12:54] <powertool08> valentinex: most of what you need is most likely in the repositories, so you can use sudo apt-get, sudo aptitude, or synaptic if you prefer gui
[12:54] <powertool08> lokai: just lspci, look at everything it lists, anything wifi related should be somewhat obvious
[12:55] <valentinex> powertool08: I am new to linux and buntu I don't know those things :-s
[12:55] <powertool08> valentinex: thats ok
[12:55] <lokai> powertool08: hm, but in the case that its some card with a very generic name...? ie, one that I wouldn't recognize?
[12:55] <powertool08> valentinex: go to the k menu and you should see add/remove, thats the synaptic package manager
[12:56] <powertool08> lokai: well grepping won't help if you wouldn't recognize it anyway, you can pastebin and I'll take a look
[12:56] <powertool08> !paste
[12:57] <powertool08> lokai: My wifi card says Broadcom something [54g] AirForce something, so its pretty obvious
[12:57] <lokai> powertool08: Well you would just be using your own knowledge/intuition about what a card would be named. I can do that too. I'm looking for a method that will tell me without a doubt...
[12:58] <powertool08> lokai: There is no way to tell, except to google everything lspci gives you, or find the specs on your computer, I assume its a laptop?
[12:59] <lokai> no, dealing with a desktop. I'm pretty sure there's not a card installed (I know it didn't come factory installed), I just wanted to be 100% sure. lspci doesn't indicate any sort of wifi device.
[13:00] <powertool08> lokai: well if its a desktop, then you'd most likely have a pci card with an antenna which you can see in back. Or it could be installed directly to the motherboard, so lspci/motherboard manual/factory specs would tell you
[13:05] <lokai> thanks powertool08
[13:05] <neeraj> how to use gtalk?
[13:05] <powertool08> lokai: np
[13:06] <neeraj> how to use gtalk (google talk) ?
[13:06] <powertool08> neeraj: I don't know, never used it.
[13:06] <neeraj> ok thanks
[13:07] <powertool08> neeraj: #ubuntu is alittle more active than here
[13:07] <neeraj> ok
[13:07] <neeraj> thanks again
[13:08] <starenka> hi. got problems using kaffeine & subtitles. every time a new subtitle line appears, the movie gets stuck for couple ms.. this is really annoying. ty
[13:12] <Dragnslcr> neeraj- Kopete supports Google Talk
[13:12] <Tm_T> !xmpp
[13:13] <Tm_T> hmmm
[13:13] <Dragnslcr> !jabber
[13:13] <Tm_T> http://www.google.com/support/talk/bin/answer.py?answer=57557
[13:13] <Tm_T> neeraj: ^^
[13:13] <neeraj> @Dragnslc- but how i can do this today morning i have install linux first time.
[13:14] <Dragnslcr> neeraj- pretty sure Kopete is installed by default in Kubuntu
[13:14] <Tm_T> it is
[13:14] <neeraj>  @ Tm T thanks for link.
[13:14] <Tm_T> np
[13:37] <thefish> it seems the .jigdo file for kubuntu 8.10 alpha5 has some invalid data, im failing to fetch 83 remaining files
[13:38] <thefish> eg http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/o/openoffice.org/openoffice.org-calc_2.4.1-6ubuntu1_i386.deb is requested, but doesnt seem to exist on any mirror
[13:39] <Jakke77> http://fi.openoffice.org/lataa.html
[13:50] <Gregori> Hi all, i have problem with latest Intrepid kernel (2.6.27-2) where should i ask for help or submit some logs etc. ?
[13:52] <mit_> i have a .deb file, how do i install it?
[13:52] <Jakke77> just click it
[13:54] <powertool08> Gregori: #kubuntu+1
[13:54] <Gregori> ?
[13:55] <mit_> Jakke77: ark is assigned to it
[13:55] <powertool08> Gregori: for the Intrepid kernel, go to that channel
[13:55] <Gregori> ok ty
[13:55] <kalorin> when do you think we'll be seeing kubuntu wtih kde4 packaged standard?
[13:56] <powertool08> mit_: you can also use sudo dpkg -i, also the package might be in the repos
[13:56] <kalorin> october?
[13:56] <powertool08> kalorin: Hopefully never...
[13:56]  * powertool08 doesn't like kde4
[13:56] <kalorin> I love what I've seen so far, but it needs a little work
[13:56] <Gregori> powertool08: this chanell is empty
[13:56] <kalorin> well the plasmid need work
[13:56] <powertool08> !intrepid
[13:57] <powertool08> Gregori: try #ubuntu+1 then
[13:57] <Gregori> :)
[13:57] <Gregori> ok
[13:57] <powertool08> heh, there you go kalorin, its in intrepid
[13:58] <kalorin> I guess I'll wait to upgrade til then
[13:58] <kalorin> I don't like how it's installed in the remix CD's :(
[13:58] <Gregori> kalorin version in remix is old kde 4
[13:58] <Gregori> 4.03 i think
[13:58] <Gregori> 4.1.1 is much better
[13:58] <kalorin> yeah but I've kept it patched
[13:58] <Gregori> oh
[13:59] <Gregori> :)
[13:59] <kalorin> the thing that bothers me is that the panel you might want to put the system tray and menus and stuff in, can't be pushed to the side of the screen
[13:59] <Gregori> and nightly svn builds are really promising
[13:59] <kalorin> in fact, I can't really seem to get any control over it at all
[13:59] <Gregori> it looks like you have 4.03 still
[13:59] <kalorin> and with a 16:9 screen, having it at the top and bottom just wastes pixels you dno't have
[13:59] <Gregori> in 4.1.1 you can
[13:59]  * kalorin ponders this
[14:00] <kalorin> mkay
[14:00] <kalorin> I'll have to check when I get home
[14:00] <kalorin> it says it's "up to date"
[14:00] <Gregori> i dont think that its in official repo
[14:00] <Gregori> 4.1.1
[14:01] <Cypress> hi
[14:01] <Gregori> you have to maually update or wait for intrepid
[14:01] <kalorin> ok
[14:01] <kalorin> thx
[14:01] <Gregori> :)
[14:01] <kalorin> I agree though I like what I see
[14:01] <Gregori> in nightly build this taskbar functions much much better
[14:17] <LeeJunFan> anyone know how to setup dolphin in kde4 to view archives as folders?
[14:19] <|o> Hi all
[14:19] <powertool08> howdy
[14:20] <|o> fale: Hi
[14:20] <|o> favro: hI ^_^
[14:21] <|o> How can i test my video-drivers?
[14:22] <powertool08> |o: glxgears/fglrxgears?
[14:22] <|o> I've installed driver for nVidia, my comp rebooted. I can change display-settings, but in Hardware Drivers Manager i see near the card: Not in use
[14:23] <powertool08> |o: glxinfo | grep rendering
[14:23] <|o> powertool08: my card: nVidia geForce 8600
[14:24] <powertool08> |o: I've got ati, don't know anything about nv so I may not be able to help very much
[14:24] <|o> ockonal@WinCode:~$ glxinfo | grep rendering
[14:24] <|o> The program 'glxinfo' is currently notinstalled.  You can install it by typing:
[14:24] <|o> sudo apt-get install mesa-utils
[14:24] <|o> bash: glxinfo: command not found
[14:25] <powertool08> hmm, well with ati theres fglrxinfo, not sure what the nv variant is
[14:26] <|o> powertool08: ok, thanks
[14:27] <powertool08> |o: #ubuntu or #compiz might be able to help more
[14:28] <|o> thanks, i'll try
[14:31] <fyn> I'm still getting that hanging on suspend / switch user in 8.04.  I've disabled compiz and atieventsd ... anyone know of anything else I can try?  I'm using fglrx but I've seen reports when I was googling of people running into this with nvidia too?
[14:32] <fyn> It locks solid---not ctrl-alt-bksp nor even alt-sysrq reisub can budge it at that point.
[14:44] <ofv> Hi. I'm a newbie Kubuntu user.
[14:44] <Gregori> Hi
[14:44] <ofv> Need to install package build-essentials and have no net connection.
[14:45] <ofv> googling around, it seems that should be on the cdrom, but it isn't.
[14:45] <ofv> How can I download install and install it manually?
[14:45] <Gregori> you cant
[14:45] <ofv> (I have net connection on another computer)
[14:45] <Gregori> its metapackage
[14:45] <Gregori> i had similar problem
[14:46] <igee> hi all
[14:46] <ofv> and how can I get out of this situation?
[14:47] <Gregori> i dont remember which , but one of cds hadnt build-essentials on
[14:47] <Gregori> i downloaded another
[14:47] <Gregori> which version youre using?
[14:48] <ofv> AMD64 arch, the one that comes with KDE 4.
[14:48] <Gregori> kubuntu remix
[14:48] <Gregori> yeah...
[14:48] <Gregori> i was really pissed about that
[14:48] <Gregori> i downloaded ubuntu and used it to install build-essentials
[14:50] <ofv> Thanks, Gregori, I'll try that.
[14:50] <Gregori> np
[14:51] <BluesKaj> it's actaually sudo apt-get install build-essential , there no "s"
[14:51] <BluesKaj> there is no "s"
[14:51] <ofv> BluesKaj: tried that too.
[14:51] <BluesKaj> and , no luck ?
[14:51] <Gregori> ofv is right
[14:52] <ofv> BluesKaj: no luck :-(
[14:52] <Gregori> kubuntu remix doesnt have buold-essential on cd
[14:52] <Gregori> build*
[14:52] <BluesKaj> it's in the repos
[14:52] <BluesKaj> just installed it myself
[14:53] <ofv> BluesKaj: I have no net connection.
[14:53] <BluesKaj> bummer
[14:53] <definitely> hmm File Associations in System Settings not working. "The shared library was not found. Library "kcm_filetypes" not found" any ideas
[14:53] <definitely>  ?
[14:54] <ofv> the problem is that my net card isn't supported out of the box, and have to compile the driver, for that I need build-esential.
[14:54] <BluesKaj> what are you using to chat with us ?
[14:54] <BluesKaj> ofv ?
[14:55] <ofv> another machine :-)
[14:55] <powertool08> BluesKaj: telepathy :P
[14:55] <Gregori> lol
[14:55] <Gregori> ^_^
[14:55] <geek> ofv: you can use another box to download packages,  using apt on cd IIRC
[14:55] <BluesKaj> you can DL the driver to the other machine and copy it to some media an install it on the kubuntu machine
[14:56] <geek> or compile the driver on another box, then i *think* use checkinstall (you will need to install this) instead of make install to make a deb
[14:56] <geek> i think i've done it for webcam drivers but not network card drivers, but no reason it shouldn't worl
[14:57] <ofv> sadly, that is my only Linux machine here, and the only one that supports AMD64.
[14:57] <BluesKaj> no need to compile the driver on another pc just copy it to some media then load it on the linuxbox and then compile
[14:58] <ofv> I'm downloading the Ubuntu DVD. Hope build-essential is there :-)
[14:58] <geek> ubuntu dvd?
[14:58] <Gregori> you dont need dvd
[14:58] <geek> hmm
[14:58] <Gregori> its on cd
[14:58] <Gregori> im sure
[14:58] <ofv> BluesKaj: it is a source driver. I need to compile it.
[14:58] <Gregori> amd as one guy said
[14:58] <geek> ofv: what he means is, build essential should be on the installer cd
[14:58] <Gregori> you can use live cd
[14:58] <Gregori> and apt
[14:58] <Gregori> to download
[14:59] <ofv> geek: that was discussed before. it isn't on the "remix" cd installer.
[14:59] <nejode> ofv: how's your problem comming along?
[15:00] <ofv> nejode: yesterday's problem is "solved" (need to check performance though).
[15:00] <ofv> as you hinted, there are lots of complaints about Marvell's IDE.
[15:00] <BluesKaj> ofv , check this : http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/ubuntu-63/installing-build-essential-with-no-cd-668845/
[15:01] <ofv> Now I"m trying to add support for the Atheros L1e network card.
[15:01] <ofv> Thanks, BluesKaj, reading it now.
[15:01] <nejode> ofv: have you tried the "all_generic_ide" option on boot?
[15:02] <ofv> Nope. Nor tried the blacklist trick you suggested. Right now I'm stuck with the network card problem. It gave me a lot of headache.
[15:03] <ofv> * avoid Asus P5Q Pro motherboard
[15:03] <nejode> what card is it?
[15:03] <ofv> Atheros L1e.
[15:03] <nejode> I have an atheros card and it works "out of the box"
[15:04] <ofv> Not for me. Even on WinXP had to install the driver from Asus CD to make it work.
[15:05] <ofv> Linux doesn't detect it at all.
[15:05] <BluesKaj> wireless ?
[15:05] <ofv> nope. Plain old cable.
[15:06] <BluesKaj> well, that makes it a bit easier :)
[15:06] <ofv> BluesKaj: how?
[15:06] <BluesKaj> less configging
[15:06] <nejode> ofv: use a pci card... they are extremely cheap
[15:08] <ofv> nejode: I'm starting to agree with you. I'll like to get this machine working ASAP, though, and there is no computer shop near me. (I'm on a rural zone).
[15:08] <nejode> ...any realtek, 3com, sis, via, intel, etc chip should work
[15:08] <Dragonath> hey, I have a synthesizer hooked up to my microphone port, I'm trying to record from it, however krec doesn't record anything, but I do hear the stuff I want to record from my speakers.. what's wrong?
[15:12] <nejode> Dragonath: did you check your kmix settings?
[15:12] <Dragonath> well yes
[15:12] <Dragonath> the microphone slider is way up
[15:12] <Dragonath> it's not on mute
[15:13] <Dragonath> and while I don't really understand what the record button does, it doesn't seem too different from mute
[15:14] <nejode> Dragonath? don't you have a line-in jack?
[15:14] <BluesKaj> Dragonath, configure krec to record from your line in , input
[15:14] <Dragonath> yup but that's occupied by the cable coming from the tv tuner card :P
[15:15] <nejode> ...there should be at least 3 jacks: line-in, mike and speakers
[15:15] <BluesKaj> oops , I meant mic input
[15:15] <Dragonath> BluesKaj: how do I do that?
[15:16] <BluesKaj> open krec and look at config krec or options or some such
[15:18] <nejode> ofv: why don't you download the 5 packages that make up the build-essential meta-package?
[15:18] <ofv> from where?
[15:19] <ofv> is there a repository of stand-alone deb's?
[15:19] <Dragonath> BluesKaj: there aren't many setting available
[15:19] <nejode> http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[15:19] <Dragonath> maybe the problem is that I installed krec separately, without kdemultimedia?
[15:20] <nejode> ...you'll need: 1) libc6-dev orlibc-dev
[15:20] <ofv> nejode: thanks, looking at it now. But I'm afraid there are much more than 5 packages involved, as those 5 depends on others (I know this is true for gcc, for instance)
[15:20] <nejode> 2) gcc
[15:21] <nejode> 3) g++
[15:21] <abaddon> hi
[15:21] <abaddon> have anyone use vlc?
[15:21] <nejode> 4) make
[15:21] <BluesKaj> Dragonath, open kmix and make sure the mic input is switched on
[15:21] <nejode> 5) dpkg-dev
[15:21] <Dragonath> BluesKaj: it is
[15:22] <abaddon> ?
[15:22] <BluesKaj> Dragonath, then in the kmix switches , choose a mic input
[15:22] <BluesKaj> !vlc | abaddon
[15:23] <abaddon> do u know how to autoclose vlc after movie finish?
[15:23] <BluesKaj> VLC works well on most media , abaddon
[15:23] <Dragonath> BluesKaj: do you mean Mic-In mode?
[15:23] <BluesKaj> yup
[15:24] <Dragonath> BluesKaj: it's set to mic-in
[15:24] <BluesKaj> mic-1 or mic-2 , Dragonath
[15:24] <BluesKaj> either one
[15:25] <jethph> hi
[15:25] <abaddon> BluesKaj: do u know hot to autoclose vlc after movie finih?
[15:27] <Dragonath> BluesKaj: there is no mic-1 or mic-2 there
[15:29] <Dragonath> just a dropdown box called Mic-In Mode with 2 options: Mic-In and Center/LFE Output
[15:32] <BluesKaj> Dragonath, on the switches tab in kmix ?
[15:32] <BluesKaj> no mic select , on the right ?
[15:34] <cbr> hello, what do i have to do to get the Suspend to RAM/Suspend to disk options working in KDE4's shutdown popup?
[15:35] <cbr> is it necessary to install something?
[15:35] <Dragonath> BluesKaj: no mic select dropdown on the right in switches tab
[15:35] <BluesKaj> cbr, KDE 4 support in #kubuntu-kde4
[15:37] <BluesKaj> so you have just one mic input , make sure the mix input light is on as well as the mic input on the input-tab
[15:38] <Dragonath> mix input?
[15:39] <BluesKaj> Dragonath, this audio setup is overly complicated and I find it confusing to, I wish some one would integrate all these setings in one application instead ahaving several apps that are linked together.
[15:39] <chrisinajar> Hi, so i have a Minolta/QMS Magicolor 2200... I installed the package containing the cups drivers for it, but it still doesn't appear on the list of printers...
[15:41] <Dragonath> BluesKaj: well the mic input slider is way up, it's not on mute and the record light is bright red
[15:41] <Dragonath> however there is no mix input I can see :)
[15:42] <Denise> someone knows what orbit is for?
[15:43] <Dragonath> btw, how do I restart the artS daemon?
[15:50] <veritas_> does anyone know how much compile speed differs if i use a 64-bit OS as opposed to a 32-bit OS?
[15:51] <werhase> Tag zusammen..
[15:52] <toti> Hey, I'm using kubuntu on my Eee. Everything works finde but when I close the lid and open it again the login dialog doesn't accept my password even if it's hundred percently correct
[15:52] <toti> Normal Login works, is there a know issue like that, never had something like that before
[15:58] <ForgeAus> !Grub
[16:00] <ubuntu_> newbie question: how does one "enable the  'universe' component"?
[16:02] <ubuntu_> Is anyone here are is everyone just lurking or doing something else?
[16:03] <trappist> !universe
[16:06] <WasTe[bRe]> i instaled firewall and uninstaled, and i dont have internet on my installed kubuntu [using live cd now and i have internet]
[16:08] <WasTe[bRe]> its say config file is saved like [etc]somtnihg]ip.firewall where to find that file and will it recover my internet?
[16:13] <JuJuBee> I am running 7.10 on a server and using NIS to deal with logins.  I use NFS to mount /home for users and DHCP for IP's.  Lately, for no aparent reason (at least that I can figure out), the students are logged in and suddenly they can do nothing and their workstations freeze and neet to be hard booted.  After the restart, they can not even log in.  I am guessing something is going on with NIS?  I tried to restart NIS on both the server and 
[16:13] <JuJuBee> e sever and when it comes back up, dhcpd3-server will not start until I disable the internal interface and re-enable it.  After doing this, the students are able to log in adn work again.
[16:14] <JuJuBee> Can someone help me identify the problem?  I have to restart the sever at least 2x per day.
[16:17] <_spm_Draget> Does anyone know where in the filesystem the settings for LPR printers are saved? The settings like which tray to use, etc.
[16:18] <WasTe[bRe]> i instaled firewall and uninstaled, and i dont have internet on my installed kubuntu [using live cd now and i have internet]
[16:18] <WasTe[bRe]> its say config file is saved like [etc]somtnihg]ip.firewall where to find that file and will it recover my internet?
[16:18] <DaSkreech> Hi WasTe[bRe]
[16:19] <WasTe[bRe]> hii DaSkreech
[16:19] <DaSkreech> How are you doing?
[16:19] <DaSkreech> (Strange question to ask someone in a support channel I know)
[16:25] <WasTe[bRe]> am bk
[16:26] <WasTe[bRe]> DaSkreech
[16:26] <DaSkreech> kk
[16:26] <WasTe[bRe]> well
[16:26] <WasTe[bRe]> why is strange questin?
[16:27] <WasTe[bRe]> oh ok didnt understand u
[16:29] <DexterF> how do I tell apt to never, ever install that F*CKING firefox-3? I didn't install it knowingly and today it starts up and messes with my profile and kill extensions
[16:30] <DaSkreech> !onmy
[16:30] <DaSkreech> !ohmy
[16:31] <DaSkreech> DexterF: Do you have Ubuntu-desktop installed?
[16:32] <DexterF> oh this is just great, my ff2 profile is screwed, too! awesome! what do people find in this retarded mozilla crud?
[16:32] <DexterF> DaSkreech: well, its kubuntu
[16:32] <DaSkreech> And you installed Firefox?
[16:33] <DexterF> ff2
[16:33] <DexterF> right from the start
[16:33] <DexterF> i have no idea how 3 got in here, i didn't install it because I had this happen before
[16:33] <DexterF> I just hope I got a backup from the profile somewhere
[16:37] <Wastet[bRe]> ha!
[16:37] <Waste[bRe]> internet now works :D
[16:39] <DaSkreech> Sweet
[16:42] <rene> hejj
[16:43] <chakie> is there really no way to have properly working flash in konqueror in hardy? for instance youtube pages work one time in five or less. if i keep reloading pages eventually i get a flash window and not just a gray rect
[16:43] <chakie> the gray rects are no fun
[16:44] <rene> is tehre any program to download music in kubuntu ?
[16:44] <chakie> rene: download how?
[16:44] <rene> to download music !!
[16:46] <Gregori> umm
[16:46] <Gregori> liek .. illegaly?
[16:46] <Gregori> download
[16:46] <rene> yes illegal
[16:47] <Pici> !piracy | rene
[16:52] <DaSkreech> Are there ay tools to graphically visualise a network?
[16:52] <DaSkreech> any
[16:52] <ForgeAus> yes
[16:53] <ForgeAus> what you probably want is a Port scanner
[16:53] <ForgeAus> knmap is the one I'd start looking at...
[16:53] <ForgeAus> !knmap
[16:54] <ForgeAus> !info knmap
[16:55] <ForgeAus> theres a really nice one for windows simply called Advanced Port Scanner (by radmin I think), it possibly works in wine, I havn't tried) also a program called network view (I think theres a demo of it around but its essentially a commercial app)  but both of them are windows, I don't know much of Linux equivalents...
[16:56] <DaSkreech> Sweet
[17:02] <vileam> Привет народ :) вот решил с гнома на кде перелезть :) если что можно ждать помощи?)
[17:02] <Tm_T> !ru | vileam
[17:03] <vileam> senks
[17:03] <Gregori> lols
[17:03] <vileam> i not normal dpeak english :)
[17:04] <Gregori> i see :)
[17:04] <LeeJunFan> uh, amarok2 - Seems like Amarok is going the windows/gnome way of - We assume you're too stupid to use this program in all it's envisioned gloriousness, so here's a version that's as dumb as we think you are.
[17:04] <Gregori> i can read russian
[17:05] <Gregori> i dont like the way it is going either, amarok
[17:05] <Gregori> interface is awfull curently
[17:05] <LeeJunFan> yeah, I lost all the playlist features/filters that I loved.
[17:06] <Gregori> um
[17:06] <Gregori> but
[17:06] <Gregori> you know
[17:06] <Gregori> it is beta...
[17:06] <Gregori> you should do backup
[17:06] <Gregori> oh
[17:06] <LeeJunFan> yeah, but beta should have all the features in place. no biggie. I can use the old version .
[17:06] <Gregori> i misunderstanded you
[17:06] <Gregori> lol
[17:07] <LeeJunFan> ah, I see what you thought I meant. hehe
[17:07] <LeeJunFan> I didn't lose any data, just features aren't there any more.
[17:07] <Gregori> i reqally like moodbar...
[17:07] <Gregori> i miss it
[17:07] <Gregori> and this plasma middle panel
[17:07] <Gregori> i want to turn it off..
[17:08] <LeeJunFan> Yeah, I decided I'd make a run with kde 4.1.1 last night and see if it was ready for me yet. Surprisingly no super annoyances other than kopete doesn't do gpg any more, and amarok is just lame.
[17:08] <DaSkreech> LeeJunFan: They are rebuilding from scratch
[17:08] <DaSkreech>  stuff will come back
[17:09] <DaSkreech>  REad the blogs. The devs miss that stuff as well
[17:09] <DaSkreech>  So there is no greater motivation :)
[17:09] <Gregori> DaSkreech: are you joking?
[17:09] <DaSkreech> ForgeAus: I'm not getting knmap
[17:09] <Gregori> in its beta phase
[17:09] <Gregori> how they can rebuild it..
[17:09] <Gregori> from scratch..
[17:09] <ForgeAus> fair enough DaSkreech
[17:09] <DaSkreech> ForgeAus: I have to specify each computer?
[17:10] <DaSkreech> ForgeAus: I'm looking for a edge mapper
[17:10] <DaSkreech> IE there are this many computers in the network there are this many gateways out of the network etc
[17:10] <ForgeAus> havn't heard of an edge mapper before
[17:10] <ForgeAus> good luck finding one tho :)
[17:11] <DaSkreech> Gregori: It's in beta mode BECAUSE they rebuilt it from scratch
[17:11] <ForgeAus> personally I think someone should write a new Finger/traceroute/ping/dns/etc netutil client for KDE...
[17:11] <DaSkreech> !info kaboodle
[17:11] <DaSkreech> 0_o
[17:12] <Gregori> o_O
[17:12] <ForgeAus> actually I might ask about that in #KDE itself
[17:12] <DaSkreech> http://www.linux.com/feature/45923
[17:16] <DaSkreech> ForgeAus: See my reaction to !kaboodle now? :)
[17:20] <master_> Ok.. So how can I install flash for firefox??
[17:20] <DaSkreech> !flash
[17:20] <DaSkreech> ForgeAus: Looks like two good tools to submit to Ubuntu for inclusion
[17:21] <Machtin> hi guys, could someone tell me how to restart my sftp-server? some time ago since i installed it, and i'd like to restart it because i just changed the /etc/ssh/sftp_config
[17:21] <ForgeAus> DaSkreech feel free :)
[17:22] <DaSkreech> Machtin: sudo /etc/init.d/sshd restart
[17:22] <Machtin> thanks!
[17:23] <ForgeAus> I wouldn't know how to anyway
[17:23] <Machtin> uh.. i don't have sshd? O.o
[17:24] <DaSkreech> You probably don't have sftp then either
[17:25] <DaSkreech> apachelogger: ping
[17:25] <apachelogger> DaSkreech: pong
[17:25] <Tm_T> ?
[17:25] <Machtin> DaSkreech: my sftp is up and running..
[17:25] <DaSkreech> apachelogger: never mind I just figured it out
[17:26] <Machtin> sftp-state returns "Server is up", plus a friend of mine can download from it
[17:26] <DaSkreech> !info kaboodle | apachelogger see the description for this?
[17:26] <DaSkreech> Machtin: Ah right how did you get sftp installed?
[17:26] <apachelogger> DaSkreech: what's wrong about it?
[17:26] <DexterF> how do I prevent a package from bein installed? I created a -1 priority in apt/preferences but apt-cache-policy complains about the syntax
[17:26] <Machtin> DaSkreech: I'd love to be able to tell you.. but i don't really remember. :/
[17:26] <DaSkreech> http://www.kaboodle.org/ <--- apachelogger
[17:26] <ForgeAus> nothign wrong about it just a naming ambiguity with a windows app
[17:27] <apachelogger> DaSkreech: no the same app
[17:27] <ForgeAus> DaSkreech the network mapper runs via wine, its not a native Linux app
[17:27] <apachelogger> *not
[17:27] <DaSkreech> I just went to grab the linux package and found out that it's a wine wapper so blllleah
[17:27] <Machtin> might it be that the sftp really is an scp?
[17:27] <ForgeAus> thats correct apache
[17:27] <apachelogger> DaSkreech: http://www.hakubi.us/kaboodle/
[17:27] <ForgeAus> the kaboodle in KDE is a small basic multimedia player...
[17:27] <DaSkreech> Yeah which is now dragonplayer
[17:28] <apachelogger> ahhhhhhhhhh
[17:28] <apachelogger> that hurts
[17:28] <DaSkreech> apachelogger: Yeah I know
[17:28] <DaSkreech> It looks pretty much like what I want too
[17:28] <apachelogger> dragonplayer actualyl works
[17:28] <apachelogger> *actually
[17:28] <ForgeAus> dragonplayer is video I thought it was JuK or something that morphed into it...
[17:28] <DaSkreech> A visual network edge mapper
[17:28] <ForgeAus> my mistake I guess..
[17:28] <DaSkreech> noatun I think
[17:28] <apachelogger> kboodle just died
[17:28] <DaSkreech> juk is just juk
[17:28] <apachelogger> noatun also just died
[17:28] <ForgeAus> ahh that must be the one
[17:29] <DaSkreech> Damn vicious Amarok
[17:29] <ForgeAus> noatun -> dragonplayer
[17:29] <apachelogger> guys
[17:29] <apachelogger> no seriously
[17:29] <ForgeAus> Amarok gets lots of love...
[17:29] <apachelogger> noatun -> mindwarped
[17:29] <apachelogger> kbooblde -> mindwarped
[17:29] <apachelogger> codein -> dragonplayer
[17:29] <DaSkreech> apachelogger: can we have knetscan looked at for inclusion ?
[17:29] <apachelogger> amarok -> amarok 2
[17:29] <DaSkreech> codein! :)
[17:29] <apachelogger> *codeine even
[17:29] <DaSkreech> Who put a c in there?
[17:29] <apachelogger> mxcl
[17:29] <ForgeAus> I don't really use it so I wouldn't know
[17:29] <ForgeAus> ahh.... thats the one codein! definitely!... thats right I remember now
[17:29] <apachelogger> the uber lorder of UI design
[17:30] <Machtin> DaSkreech: i have /etc/init.d/ssh
[17:30] <Machtin> but restarting that one doesn't really solve the problem
[17:30] <DaSkreech> Machtin: Thats it then
[17:30] <apachelogger> !info knetscan intrepid
[17:30] <Machtin> humm.. strange
[17:30] <ForgeAus> well knetscan is hosted on sourceforge
[17:30] <ForgeAus> but its a .tar.gz so no .deb for it :(
[17:30] <apachelogger> what is knetscan?
[17:30] <DaSkreech> I'd ask for fe3d as well but I know that's not your line of work
[17:30] <DaSkreech> apachelogger: I think it's what I'm looking for
[17:31] <DaSkreech> A visual network edge mapper
[17:31] <apachelogger> Last Update: Jun 16 2002
[17:31] <apachelogger> dead
[17:31] <ForgeAus> http://sourceforge.net/projects/knetscan/
[17:31] <apachelogger> knetscan -> mindwarped
[17:32] <DaSkreech> I'm confused
[17:32] <ForgeAus> KnetScan is a full featured front end for the following net tools: nmap , ping , traceroute , whois. You can also print and save your results. Think of it as an ALL-IN-ONE net analizer tool. It is a reunion of kpinger , knmapfe , ktroute + whois client
[17:32] <DaSkreech> how  does SF register activity?
[17:32] <DaSkreech> it says it has 64% activity last week
[17:32] <apachelogger> doesn't matter
[17:32] <apachelogger> knetscan  1.0  June 16, 2002
[17:32] <ForgeAus> whats mindwarped? do you know of any other kde ping/troute/finger/whois/dns/etc clients?
[17:32] <DaSkreech> ForgeAus: yeah looks dead
[17:32] <apachelogger> a) it is KDE 3 which makes me pretty much not want to include it b) it hasn't seen improvement since 2002
[17:32] <apachelogger> DaSkreech: no inclusion, sorry
[17:33] <DaSkreech> apachelogger: Yeah dropped the ball on that one
[17:33] <DaSkreech> I don't expect any KDE4 tools of that maturity in a while :(
[17:33] <apachelogger> DaSkreech: you can certainly contact the developer of knetscan
[17:33] <apachelogger> I guess if that thing works reasonable well we can get him some promotion ;-)
[17:33] <DaSkreech> apachelogger: On the other hand if you want to make fun of MCSE guys you can look at http://projects.icapsid.net/fe3d/raw-attachment/wiki/ScreenShots/fe3d-0.11-01.png
[17:34] <apachelogger> oioi
[17:35]  * apachelogger is wondering where a poor developer can buy groupies
[17:35] <DaSkreech> blauzhal ?
[17:35] <Tm_T> apachelogger: son...
[17:35] <apachelogger> Tm_T: mom?
[17:36]  * DaSkreech chuckles
[17:36] <Tm_T> no groupies for you, back to your homework
[17:36] <apachelogger> meh
[17:36] <DaSkreech> ForgeAus: Kaboodle is very WIndows 3.1 though :(
[17:36]  * DaSkreech goes to apachelogger's back window and sneaks him out
[17:37]  * apachelogger hands DaSkreech a cookie and hides on the kubuntu-bug-mountain
[17:37] <DaSkreech> Grr  there has to be a visual network mapper somewhere in the world of Linux
[17:37] <zolomon> Could anyone tell me if I can get my Creative Sound Blaster XtremeGamer card to work on Kubuntu? Last time I checked you couldn't.
[17:38] <DaSkreech> Creative has been very linux hostile recently
[17:39] <ForgeAus> DaSkreech lke I said earlier your best bet might be wine + Advanced Port Scanner (handy nice little util, more win98/winxp than win3.11)
[17:39] <ForgeAus> assuming it works
[17:39] <DaSkreech> which is very strange since they started OpenAl and the cards they seel have much better chance of traction in the Linux market
[17:39] <alesan> hi
[17:39] <ForgeAus> admittedly thats not in the "world of Linux" but I don't know a better option for you
[17:39] <DaSkreech> hi alesan
[17:40] <ForgeAus> and the "visualizaiton" side is really only a tree control...
[17:40] <alesan> I use my laptop and every few cycles of suspend, the application than manages the network connections can not detect network devices anymore and I have to reboot to re-enable it
[17:41] <alesan> anyway, if I give a dhclient or work with iwconfig/ifconfig, I can start the network with no problems
[17:41] <ForgeAus> DaSkreech try searching for topology?
[17:41] <DaSkreech> hmm
[17:41] <alesan> which service should I restart to re-enable the 'graphical' tool?
[17:41] <ForgeAus> since thts what you want? a topological map of the network right?
[17:41] <DaSkreech> alesan: network?
[17:42] <DaSkreech> ForgeAus: Yeah
[17:42] <alesan> DaSkreech: what do you mean?
[17:42] <ForgeAus> manually you'd have to use something like kivio to make one...
[17:43] <ForgeAus> I know Visio has that capability but I don't think Kivio has those kinda shapes yet... so maybe you'd need to make them yourself...
[17:43] <ForgeAus> or import the symbology, but then all it needs is some design placement some interconnecting lines and voila!
[17:44] <ForgeAus> however the discovery of nodes is not handled that way...
[17:44] <zolomon> Thanks for the help. I'll see if I can't google up something. IIRC correctly I might've found some work in progress last time I looked.
[17:44] <DaSkreech> alesan: The network service I would think you would have to restart
[17:44] <ForgeAus> (manually diagramming the netmap would assume you already know the nodes)
[17:44] <DaSkreech> Not sure I follow the problem but ...
[17:45]  * DaSkreech throws in 0.02
[17:45] <alesan> DaSkreech: you mean /etc/init.d/network restart ?
[17:45] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[17:45] <DaSkreech> !info lanmap
[17:46] <pteague_work> where do i set up screensaver & screen locking
[17:46] <alesan> DaSkreech: it didn't help.
[17:46] <pteague_work> nm, just found it
[17:46] <ForgeAus>  there you go! :)
[17:46] <DaSkreech> alesan: our network doesn't work after being in suspend?
[17:46] <ForgeAus> sounds perfect for what your asking for
[17:47] <alesan> Da
[17:47] <alesan> DaSkreech: I have to configure it manually with ifconfig or dhclient
[17:47] <alesan> the graphical tool says: no network device found
[17:48] <ForgeAus> alesan you use a static IP?
[17:48] <ForgeAus> in kcontrol (and/or System settings) you can do all that
[17:48] <alesan> ForgeAus: no
[17:48] <alesan> I switch between different wired and wireless networks
[17:48] <ForgeAus> so you really just need a dhcp release, renew?
[17:48] <alesan> I would only need to 'reset' the tool and let it find the network devices again
[17:49] <alesan> ForgeAus: no, I need the tool to show me the networks and choose which one I prefer
[17:49] <DaSkreech> ah
[17:49] <ForgeAus> that would be handy to build into knetscan :) lol
[17:49] <DaSkreech> knetworkmanager?
[17:50] <DaSkreech> no netscan is very much an admin tool
[17:50] <alesan> DaSkreech: possibly
[17:50] <DaSkreech> knetworkmanager I think is what you a eusing
[17:50] <DaSkreech> KDE4 ?
[17:50] <alesan> yes it is called knetworkmanager
[17:50] <alesan> no kde3
[17:50] <ForgeAus> the visual ifconfig/dhcp release/renew thing I meant DaSkreech
[17:50] <DaSkreech> Right that used to work for me
[17:50] <DaSkreech> Course I never used to suspend
[17:51] <DaSkreech> ForgeAus: It works grand though :)
[17:54] <DaSkreech> !info snappea
[17:54] <DaSkreech> 0_o
[17:55] <ahmos> hi, I need  a programme for appending video files
[17:55] <DaSkreech> ahmos: cat
[17:56] <ahmos> DaSkreech: thank you and going to try it
[17:57] <DaSkreech> ahmos: Hope your files aren't too big
[17:58] <ahmos> DaSkreech: why?
[17:59] <DaSkreech> cause cat myhugefile.ogv myhugefilesequel.ogv > myepicmovieinlengthandsize.ogv isn't friendly to hard drives
[18:00] <ahmos> ah..
[18:00] <ahmos> DaSkreech: what about avidemux
[18:01] <jussi01> kdenlive isnt bad
[18:01] <DaSkreech> ahmos: all three work
[18:02] <ahmos> another question please , there are programmes available in gtk and qt4 version ,which one i should install?
[18:03] <DaSkreech> ahmos: If you are using KDE qt4
[18:03] <ahmos> ok Thank you  DaSkreech
[18:03] <ahmos> ;)
[18:04] <ahmos> thank you too jussi01
[18:19] <gx009> when are is flash schedule to just work right in koqueror
[18:23] <stefan-f> Hello :) the bacula-director package that comes today is broken, dpkg --configure -a anf aptitude instal -f isnt helping. The new package find alot of misconfiguration in bacula-dir.conf, and it was running... sh...
[18:23] <stefan-f> what to do?
[18:24] <gx009> while having FF3 installed, did a little research on how to get flash working on konqueror .. deinstalled FF3 and koqueror also stops playing flash content.. meh wth..
[18:24] <ka> Any RAID experts in?
[18:25]  * ForgeAus tosses ka a sheild and a hardhat
[18:25] <ka> Tell me about it
[18:25] <ForgeAus> ... I'd have to say RAID, JBOD, LVM, etc is not my forte
[18:26] <ForgeAus> !raid
[18:26] <ForgeAus> that might help tho
[18:26] <ka> The thing is, I followed one of the RAID guides and set a RAID1 up but then I deliberately trashed one of the partitions and all the data was lost. Which didn't seem to make it a very effective RAID to me ;-)
[18:26] <ForgeAus> afaik its fairly comprehensive
[18:27] <ForgeAus> raid1 isn't very effective
[18:27] <ForgeAus> you need level say 4 or so before you get much redundancy that works...
[18:27] <ka> Yeah, but if you lose one partition, you shouldn't lose all your data. I understood that it was a basic mirror
[18:27] <ForgeAus> parity, striping and mirroring...
[18:28] <ForgeAus> uh raid1? not sure
[18:28] <ka> Wikipedia: "RAID 1 (mirrored disks) uses two (possibly more) disks which each store the same data, so that data is not lost as long as one disk survives."
[18:28] <ForgeAus> I forgot the levels
[18:28] <ForgeAus> well one would assume your right then
[18:28] <ForgeAus> but again I'm no raid expert so I wouldn't know why
[18:28] <ka> What I wanted to do is to just configure two partitions as RAID then set up a RAID1 array on them.
[18:29] <ka> OK, thanks
[18:29] <ForgeAus> JBOD is basically multiple disks into one volume
[18:29] <ka> Are you any good with how to autostart services? ;-)
[18:29] <ForgeAus> hehe init.d?
[18:30] <ForgeAus> uh I think system-settings has an applet to add services
[18:30] <ka> Well, I installed samba under Kubuntu 8.04.1 but the system config dialog says it's set to autostart but it doesn't
[18:30] <ka> but if I manually start it, it does
[18:30] <ForgeAus> uh check your startup then it may have an error trying to start it or you might need to configure it
[18:31] <ka> Where would I look for that (new to Linux)
[18:31] <ka> ?
[18:31] <ForgeAus> (to switch out of the kubuntu screen with the progress bar during startup use virtual terminals - ie, control + alt + an F key)
[18:32] <ForgeAus> ctrl+alt+F7 is afaik the default one for the gui screen
[18:32] <ka> Would I find it in a log somewhere?
[18:32] <ForgeAus> but in ctrl+alt+F1 and/or F8 you should be able to see what the login is doing
[18:32] <ka> You mean on boot?
[18:32] <ForgeAus> um I'm not sure if or how to do a bootlog...
[18:32] <ForgeAus> there may be one
[18:32] <ForgeAus> yes on boot
[18:32] <ForgeAus> (during the Kubuntu logo screen with the blue progress bar)
[18:33] <ghostcube> samba is normally started by inet.d
[18:33] <ka> OK. I'll try that. But, if there was an error, wouldn't I get one when I tried to manually start it?
[18:33] <ForgeAus> control alt F2-6 will just be text modes, F1 is the base one but by default afaik it switches to F8 during startup somehow...
[18:33] <ghostcube> have u set the start methd to a different one
[18:33] <ForgeAus> you'd think so ka
[18:34] <ka> All I did was install it, then I have been in the system settings and made sure that the "auto start" box was ticked for the process
[18:34] <ka> But it doesn't autostart
[18:34] <ForgeAus> ghostcube? ok well you seem to know what your talkinga bout
[18:34] <ghostcube> ka: sudo dpkg-reconfigure samba
[18:34] <ForgeAus> yes ka so I'm assuming it tries to run that but causes an error thus doesn't start
[18:34] <ghostcube> can u set there start by inet
[18:34] <ForgeAus> since your saying post startup its not started...
[18:34] <ghostcube> ForgeAus: then he wouldnt be able to start manually
[18:34] <ForgeAus> (that you have to start it manually that way)
[18:35] <ForgeAus> ok ghostcube :)
[18:35] <Darkrift2> my laptop has a modem in it.... should i be able to fax documents (pdf's) using this?
[18:35] <ghostcube> :) so its an daemon he wont start if config is bad
[18:35] <ka> (she)
[18:35] <ForgeAus> sudo dpkg-reconfigure is a good start :)
[18:35] <Darkrift2> and if so, what would i need to install
[18:35] <ka> It says it's best run as a daemon. Is that a "non autostarted" daemon?
[18:36] <ghostcube> nah its started by /etc/init.d/
[18:36] <ForgeAus> no deamons are just server apps running in the background usually
[18:36] <ForgeAus> its not about if it is autostarted or not
[18:36] <ForgeAus> (that is the term deamon isn't)
[18:36] <ghostcube> ka check the runlevels in systemsettings
[18:36] <ka> Yeah, I know. I just wanted to check
[18:37] <ka> How might I do that?
[18:37] <ghostcube> if the smbd and nmbd are added to the ruunlevels
[18:37] <ghostcube> open systemsettings advanced
[18:37] <ForgeAus> you can also install a sysv editor from adept...
[18:37] <SeanTater2> I added "blacklist agpgart" to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist but lsmod | grep agp still lists agpgart after a restart. Is that supposed to happen?
[18:37] <ka> In system services?
[18:37] <ghostcube> yes
[18:37] <gx009> samba is designed to start on boot.. so your samba conf is bad ..
[18:37] <ka> Samba is listed. It says "Start at boot" and "not running"
[18:37] <ka> I don't think it's bad as I can start it manually and it works
[18:37] <ForgeAus> gx009 I agree, some error is happening during your startup as samba tries to boot
[18:38] <ka> I also ran testparm and had no errors
[18:38] <ForgeAus> I'm not familiar with testparm
[18:38] <ka> It checks your samba config amongst other things
[18:38]  * ForgeAus shrugs
[18:38] <ka> The thing is, if I manually start samba now I'll get no errors and it'll work perfectly
[18:39] <ghostcube> how are u starting it ?
[18:39] <ForgeAus> ka which would make one assume that it should work on boot, but obviously its not
[18:39] <ForgeAus> which is why I was hoping you'd read the error on bootup
[18:39] <ForgeAus> it should tell yu why
[18:39] <cosmofield> hi, do kde have a keyboard shortcut for adding extra desktops?
[18:39] <ka> "/etc/init.d/samba start"
[18:40] <ghostcube> ?? this works ?
[18:40] <ka> Yes
[18:40] <ka> Says "OK"
[18:40] <SeanTater2> ForgeAus: Is there no info about it not starting in /var/log?
[18:40] <ubuntu> Hmmm
[18:40] <mhall> Hello all. Can you tell me the URL of some docs on the basic use of Kubuntu? I am giving a Kubuntu PC to my girlfriend because Windows sucks, and I'd like to be able to give her some kind of user manual. The best I could find is https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/kubuntu/desktopguide/C/index.html but that seems pretty out of date.
[18:40] <ForgeAus> cosmo if it doesn't I'd be suprised if you couldn't make one
[18:40] <ubuntu> Any 1 Know How 2 Install Mozilla
[18:40] <ka> This run level in the system settings is "Multiuser mode (2)"
[18:40]  * ForgeAus shrugs
[18:41] <ForgeAus> SeanTater2 does /var/log have a bootlog of some kind?
[18:41] <mhall> ubuntu: if you mean firefox you can install it with synaptic
[18:41] <mhall> ubuntu: just look for the firefox package
[18:41] <ForgeAus> ubuntu you mean seamonkey?
[18:41] <ForgeAus> or just firefox?
[18:41] <mhall> ubuntu: if you mean old-school mozilla browser that's a different package.
[18:41] <SeanTater2> ForgeAus: To be honest I don't know what would be logged in there, but sudo grep -R "query" /var/log is easy to do and will show you if there's anything related to samba
[18:41] <Darkrift2> anyone here know how to setup fax?
[18:42] <ForgeAus> sudo apt-get install mozilla
[18:42] <mhall> ubuntu: you can search for exactly what you want to install using packages.ubuntu.com
[18:42] <Darkrift2> when i tried to send one, it said /usr/bin/fax not found
[18:42] <ForgeAus> mhall its adept in kubuntu not synaptic
[18:42] <ghostcube> ka should be in all till 5
[18:42] <SeanTater2> Darkrift2: try typing fax into a terminal and then pressing enter. You should get an error that tells you to run another command that will fix that.
[18:42] <mhall> ForgeAus: word? i thought adept only did updates... i'm new to kubuntu but i've used debian since 1997
[18:42] <Darkrift2> ahh
[18:43] <ForgeAus> hehe well you know more about debian than I do
[18:43] <mhall> ForgeAus: I couldn't realistically give a Debian PC to my GF though; her poor lil Russian head would explode. :-)
[18:43] <ForgeAus> but no your wrong about the update thing
[18:43] <ka> ghostcube, yes, it is
[18:43] <ForgeAus> Adept has many parts...
[18:43] <ghostcube> and start on boot ismarked ?
[18:43] <ForgeAus> adept_batch adept_manager, etc...
[18:43] <ka> Yes, it is
[18:43] <mhall> ForgeAus: Yeah I never tried it... I'm the text package management type. :-)
[18:43] <mhall> I want to die of carpal tunnel!
[18:43] <ghostcube> ka cd /var/log/amba
[18:44] <ghostcube> ka cd /var/log/samba
[18:44] <mhall> That way I'll know at least I went down in flames with a cause.
[18:44] <ForgeAus> sorry cli is not my forte
[18:44] <Darkrift2> ok, so dev/modem doesnt exist... i need to find drivers somehow i take it
[18:44] <mhall> ForgeAus: yeah... it's grungy
[18:44] <ghostcube> look into the smbd log and the nmbd log
[18:44] <ForgeAus> I'm to faulty for it :)
[18:44] <mhall> ForgeAus: some people have asked me to teach them CLI
[18:44] <ka> which log?
[18:44] <ka> I checked the boot log - no reference to samba in it
[18:44] <mhall> ForgeAus: but i can't do that... it's like teaching them to manufacture sausage
[18:44] <mhall> ForgeAus: it's better if they don't know
[18:44] <mhall> ForgeAus: :-P
[18:44] <ForgeAus> oh I tend to know what I'm doing in CLI I just need more feedback/fault tolerance to be comfy...
[18:45] <ghostcube> log.smbd ka
[18:45] <mhall> ForgeAus: yeah... i've done some heinous things to my stuff in CLI
[18:45] <ghostcube> the daemon logs
[18:45] <mhall> ForgeAus: i tend to get my feedback and fault tolerance using raid5 and lots of tar.bz2 files :-P
[18:45] <ForgeAus> rofl :)
[18:46] <mhall> But I wonder what's the right Getting Started Guide for Kubuntu... I could only find an ancient one.
[18:46] <ForgeAus> at least you have the option of raid5 :) I only have 2 hdd's
[18:46] <ka> OK there are some items from the last boot in that log
[18:46] <SeanTater2> ka: try this: sudo grep -Rin "samba" "/var/log" <- That's what I do to find logs about a program -- just $0.02
[18:46] <mhall> I mean I guess it's pretty similar to Windows... but it would still be nice.
[18:46] <Darkrift2> whats the first step to go about installing a modem?
[18:46] <SeanTater2> Darkrift2: do you mean that fax program?
[18:46] <Darkrift2> no, that works now
[18:46] <Darkrift2> but it says /dev/modem is not found
[18:46] <SeanTater2> Ah -- okay
[18:46] <Darkrift2> and my laptop has one built in... not sure where to start
[18:47] <ForgeAus> mhall I don't know
[18:47] <SeanTater2> That's a bit different
[18:47] <ForgeAus> I just used chat here as my platform to understanding kubuntu
[18:47] <SeanTater2> Darkrift2: have you checked the wiki?
[18:47] <ForgeAus> but I was a windows user previously
[18:47] <ForgeAus> not a debian one
[18:47] <Darkrift2> no, but ill go check there now
[18:47] <ForgeAus> so you have much of a headstart on me
[18:47] <mhall> ForgeAus: LOL hopefully I don't get taken out with a poison dart to the leg... you never can be sure with Russian girls.
[18:48] <SeanTater2> Darkrift2: I think most software modems are supported but I've never used one so I'm not very knowledgable about it.
[18:48]  * ForgeAus shrugs
[18:48] <ka> OK, from around the last boot time, in this log there is nmdb->ERROR: Failed when creating subnet lists.
[18:48] <ka> nmdb create_subnets: unable to create any subnet from given interfaces. nmbd is terminating
[18:48] <ForgeAus> I find it helps having people to ask instead of endless guides to read
[18:48] <ka> auth: create_builtin_administrators: Failed to create Administrators
[18:48] <gx009> thus samba shutsdown
[18:49] <ForgeAus> guides that you forget what you were looking for before you even get halfway through rofl
[18:49] <ForgeAus> ahh so there is a samba config fault!
[18:49] <ka> Well, why does it start if I do it manually without reporting errors?
[18:49] <Darkrift2> hrmmmm
[18:49] <ka> Also, in the samba config, there is only a guest share. No users are set up
[18:49] <ForgeAus> thats a very good question!
[18:49] <ka> i.e. I don't need to set up any users
[18:50] <ka> As anyone can access it
[18:50] <Darkrift2> wiki didnt give me much to go on
[18:50] <ForgeAus> there isn't an everyone group in linux?
[18:51] <Darkrift2> from what i can see its a generic modem, what is the usual first step in installing new hardware
[18:51] <ka> The other thing is that i've used the same config before. With Ubuntu (not Kubuntu) and it started fine via the services dialog under Gnome
[18:51] <Darkrift2> all my other hw was already installed so havent had to do this before
[18:52] <ka> hmm. Is it possible that it will manually start as I am using "sudo" ?
[18:52] <gx009> i found that there is some kind of conflict in how knetworkmanager do its thing..
[18:52] <ForgeAus> ka does ubuntu have a gui config at all for samba?...
[18:52] <ForgeAus> last I saw it was all manually editing a .conf file
[18:52] <gx009> as opposed to gnome network manager
[18:52] <ka> No, it doesn't but then I never needed one
[18:53] <ForgeAus> at least kde has a kcontrol app (or system-settings applet if you like) for it :)
[18:53] <SeanTater2> Darkrift2: Each type of hardware is different. They are often totally different.
[18:53] <ka> So does Gnome
[18:53] <gx009> its called swat , ForgeAus
[18:53] <Darkrift2> whats the command to see a list of all detected hw again?
[18:53] <ka> lspci ?
[18:54] <ForgeAus> Samba Web Administration Toolkit? or something like that?
[18:54] <SeanTater2> Darkrift2: For a modem I would first check that it's attached: with lspci (typed in a terminal)
[18:54] <ForgeAus> yes ka
[18:54] <Darkrift2> there was something else someone had me try last time, but ill see if its tehre
[18:54] <gx009> !swat
[18:54] <ForgeAus> lspci
[18:54] <Darkrift2> dont see it there
[18:55] <ForgeAus> hmmm
[18:55] <ka> I've found some post about the smbd process requiring write permissions on /etc/samba/smbpasswd otherwise you get the error I see. I don't recall messing with the permissions before but that might explain why, if I run it via sudo, it works (?)
[18:55] <SeanTater2> Darkrift2: Usually you
[18:55] <gx009> sounds like you're getting closer
[18:56] <ka> How can I set permissions for a process?
[18:56] <SeanTater2> Darkrift2: *oops -- sorry for the incomplete line* -- you get only the manfuacturer's name really
[18:56] <SeanTater2> Darkrift2: maybe a line that's as "modem" in it somewhere?
[18:56] <Darkrift2> ill grep
[18:57] <Darkrift2> nothing with modem or 56
[18:57] <SeanTater2> ka: when it's already started?
[18:58] <ka> Well, this post talks about the process having the right permissions....so presumably you either set the permissions for the process or make the file it's trying to access accessible
[18:58] <mhall> Samba is a cryptic beast, sometimes.
[18:58] <SeanTater2> ka: Before it's started, chmod will work, but I've never changed it when it's running, (though the process itself can run setuid if it's root)
[18:58] <mhall> But that's what happens when you reverse engineer and reimplement a total bullshit system. :-D
[18:58] <ka> setuid?
[18:58] <ka> I'm relatively new to Linux ;-)
[18:59] <ka> Well, I can stop samba if I have to
[18:59] <gx009> !language mhall
[18:59] <ka> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2663 2008-07-25 07:33 samba
[19:00] <ka> residing in /etc/init.d
[19:00] <SeanTater2> ka: It would only work with a python terminal or similar. I doubt it's what you're looking for. Sorry.
[19:00] <ghostcube> ka still not starting ?
[19:00] <Darkrift2> damn
[19:00] <ghostcube> u can try swat but for swat u need inetutils-inetd
[19:00] <ghostcube> to get it started
[19:00] <ka> Well, I can start samba manually but I don't understand why it won't start automatically. This post suggests that smdb requires the right permissions to acces the password file
[19:01] <ghostcube> ka install it should run
[19:01] <v6lur> hi, is there a dcop handle for switching to desktop x?
[19:01] <ghostcube> i never did anything on my samba machines to start smbd
[19:01] <ghostcube> onlyto get swat working
[19:01] <ka> Well, I don't want to install a load of things that I don't particularly need. I didn't need to install that before to get it working under Gnome
[19:01] <gx009> but samba is for admistration after bootup.. the issue is why is samba not starting on boot up..
[19:01] <gx009> i mean swat is
[19:01] <ka> Yes, agreed
[19:01] <ghostcube> gx009: yeah for sure
[19:02] <ghostcube> i dont get why smbd isnt going to work
[19:02] <ghostcube> ka what kubuntu isa this
[19:02] <ka> 8.04.1
[19:02] <ghostcube> kde4 ?
[19:02] <ka> There is this post. This has the same errors as I have: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist%40lists.debian.org/msg231565.html
[19:02] <ka> No, 3.5. KDE4 is pants
[19:03] <Jampiter> Hi, can someone tell me what the package for the 386 kernel is called? I want to remove it.
[19:04] <gx009> (kde4 has a long way to go .. am wondering how they gonna meet the 8.10 release date)
[19:04] <udai> hello
[19:04] <Tm_T> KDE4 <3
[19:04] <udai> bonjour
[19:04] <ka> I expected 4.1 to be stable. I tried it. It wasn't
[19:04] <ka> But anyway...that doesn't explain the samba problem
[19:04] <Tm_T> ka: 3.80 was stable here
[19:05] <gx009> out of the box, kde4 is creepy
[19:05] <ka> I installed 4.1 and within 20 mins the task bar has vanished (like an old oak table)
[19:05] <ka> Never to return
[19:05] <ka> So it went into the bin
[19:06] <ghostcube> wth is smbd causing to not start
[19:06] <Jampiter> Anyone?
[19:06] <ghostcube> puh
[19:06] <ka> OK, so is it possible that samba won't work because I purely have a guest share and I never actually added any user?
[19:06] <alpha> heya, can someone answer a few newbie questions regarding setting up a pop3/smtp server, not really a question on how to set it up, more the dynamics of email, I will be using kubuntu hardy and I have figured trying somehting called vhcs
[19:07] <ghostcube> Jampiter: linux-image-2.6.24-19
[19:07] <ghostcube> uname -r  Jampiter
[19:07] <ghostcube> is telling what
[19:07] <Jampiter> Great :) Thanks
[19:07] <ka> Also, if I can't get it to start some other way, is there a way of me being able to run "sudo /etc/init.d/samba start" after boot in some script ?
[19:07] <Jampiter> Is that specifically the 306 kernel and not the Kubuntu default?
[19:07] <ghostcube> sure an sh script in the autostart folder
[19:08] <ka> but it needs the root password (?)
[19:08] <Pici> !sudo
[19:08] <Jampiter> I DLed the 386 one to see if I could get a driver to work
[19:08] <ghostcube> Jampiter: ah ok wait a moment
[19:08] <Jampiter> Cheers :)
[19:09] <alpha> I understand the smtp side to a degree, client connects, mail is sent from client to server, then forwarded to destination, I think...
[19:09] <ghostcube> Jampiter: linux-image-2.6.24-19-386
[19:09] <gx009> if samba is working fine (with the exception of starting on boot) i wouldnt try any changes..  it doesnt take that long to start it from terminal anyway
[19:09] <Jampiter> Excellent :) Thanks :D
[19:09] <ka> I don't want to always have to log in to start it, though.
[19:10] <ghostcube> kamake a .sh script inside the command
[19:10] <ka> How do I do that ?
[19:10] <alpha> but how do I get mail sent to my home machine instead of my isp, would it be me@myipadress?
[19:11] <ka> I know how to make an sh script. If I create it "as root" will it not require any "sudo" in it to get samba to start?
[19:11] <ghostcube> hmmm good question
[19:11] <ka> e.g. I have a "gowithsamba.sh" which I create as root which I put into my autostart folder than contains "/etc/init.d/samba start" in it ?
[19:12] <ghostcube> just try it :)
[19:12] <ghostcube> wont do any harm
[19:12] <Pici> ka: What exactly are you trying to do?
[19:12] <ka> OK
[19:12] <gx009> sounds logical .. it belongs to its creator
[19:12] <ghostcube> Pici: gettings samba to start
[19:12] <ghostcube> :)
[19:12] <gx009> on boot up
[19:12] <Pici> It should start at boot.
[19:12] <ghostcube> we know
[19:12] <ka> Pici: I have a guest share set up in samba. But samba won't start on boot even though it is set to do so in the system settings tab thingy
[19:13] <Pici> ka: Does it start manually?
[19:13] <ka> It moans about "create_builtin_(administrators|users): Failed to create (Administrators|Users)"
[19:13] <ka> Yes, it does
[19:13] <ka> and works fine
[19:13] <ka> one sec. afk
[19:13] <Jampiter> Is there a way to change the startup image to that of a different version of Ubuntu? I installed with a Kubuntu CD but now I have all the packages for every version I think the Ubuntu logo would be more appropriate. Can anyone help me?
[19:15] <Pici> ka: Are you sure its actually not starting? It looks like that 'error' might be normal.
[19:15] <ghostcube> ka have u ever tried an /etc/init.d/samba restart
[19:15] <ghostcube> if it is running after boot
[19:15] <ghostcube> or stop
[19:16] <ka> I know it doesn't start because I can't access the machine after I boot it. If I log in, I can manually start it. If I do the 'restart', it says that there is nothing to stop, but then starts samba (after boot)
[19:16] <ka> So, it's not running
[19:16] <ka> But can be started manually without problems
[19:17] <ghostcube> hmmm
[19:17] <ghostcube> never had this before lol
[19:17] <ghostcube> and i run 5  smbd machines
[19:17] <ghostcube> :|
[19:17] <gx009> we are raining over wet.. test that idea of creating that script
[19:17] <ka> Well, I do have a habit of breaking things ;-)
[19:17] <ghostcube> gx009: lol yeah would be a try
[19:18] <ka> OK, so I'll try that
[19:18] <ka> Next question ;-) Anyone good with RAID ?
[19:21] <ka> I want to set up a RAID1. I want to take two partitions on two disks and designate them as RAID (without having to go through the alt install process as described in quite a few guides). I then want to set up a RAID1 mirroring system on these two partitions but access them as one drive.
[19:21] <ka> What I'd also like to do is to test it (as last time I did, it didn't work as I expected). So, I'd want to be able to reinstall Ubuntu as though the Ubuntu installation got completely trashed, then be able to re-access the RAID. I'd also like to be able to show myself that I can trash one of the RAID partitions but then still access my data. Otherwise, I'll just stick to rsyncing between two partitions on two drives.
[19:23] <Jampiter> Nevermind - got an answer now :)
[19:25] <gx009> have you tried backing up your samba settings and just reinstall .. ?  this is a risky suggestion by the way.. but i dont rely on samba that much so i dont mind trashing it.. dont know about you
[19:26] <ka> No, I have no reliance on it. I only use it to share music to some Windows laptops via wifi
[19:26] <ka> But it'd be nice if it worked ;-)
[19:27] <gx009> if that script test also fails .. then you could try this , i guess
[19:27] <ka> OK, thanks
[19:28] <ka> Incidentally, where is the autostart folder?
[19:28] <ghostcube> ~/.kde/Autostart
[19:29] <ka> OK, thanks
[19:29] <ScarFreewill[S]> can I remove the dependencies off wine 1.1.4 to make it install on my old 7.10 kubuntu, or is there and other way :S
[19:30] <bentob0x> is it normal to have a good 30 python processes in kde system guard?
[19:31] <ScarFreewill[S]> no bentob0x u prolly installed programs that do that,
[19:31] <ScarFreewill[S]> unless u are updating from 7.10 to 8.10 30times
[19:31] <bentob0x> what kind of program would do that?
[19:32] <bentob0x> didn't update
[19:32] <ScarFreewill[S]> I don't really know soz :(, python related programs :S
[19:35] <ghostcube> benklop: any applets ?
[19:35] <ghostcube> any docks with applets ?
[19:35] <gx009> its kind of sad that the only way i can have out of the box wifi using kde4 is by adding it as a session to ubuntu.. kubuntu has failed me
[19:35] <gx009> thanks gnome
[19:36] <sammy> hello all i just installed kubuntu intrepid and my bcm 4306 worked with the hardware installer
[19:36]  * gx009 goes to cry in darkest corner
[19:37] <ghostcube> why is k3b marked as keeped back in disto-upgrade but it works for manually installation ?
[19:37] <ghostcube> strange
[19:37] <sammy> gx009 i just got wifi working with intrepid
[19:38] <gx009> however, am totally digging kubuntu 8.04 for my desktop (good thing i dont need wifi for it either)
[19:38] <ScarFreewill[S]> can I remove the dependencies off wine 1.1.4 to make it install on my old 7.10 kubuntu, or is there and other way :S
[19:39] <gx009> i could make kubuntu 8.10 'work' .. but i was expecting a different experience..
[19:39] <sammy> i couldnt get m to work im so happy its taken me 4 days i finally got now yea
[19:41] <ghostcube> ScarFreewill[S]: cant u update ?
[19:43]  * gx009 runs apt-get update 
[19:43] <bentob0x> ok could anybody help me with understanding what's happening to my long list of at least 50 python processes?
[19:44] <bentob0x> I just rebooted
[19:44] <bentob0x> and it's right there
[19:44] <ForgeAus> scarFree the dependancies of wine 1.1.4 are there for a reason I think
[19:44] <edu> hola
[19:45] <bentob0x> their parent thread is kdeinit
[19:47] <ghostcube> bentob0x: can u pastebin an output
[19:48] <bentob0x> sure, what output do you want?
[19:52] <bentob0x> found the problem ghostcube: ps -aux | grep python pointed me to some amarok script
[19:52] <bentob0x> thx
[19:53] <student_> how can you instal sea monkey
[19:53] <student_> I'm sory I'm a beginer
[19:57] <student_> if i'm not in the right spot can i be directed somewhere
[20:00] <artur_> hello
[20:01] <zolomon> Hello all! I wonder, how come I can change my screen update rate on Windows to 70, 72, 80 and some other Hz but only to 50 and 51 while on Kubuntu with the same graphics card? I've downloaded the driver for my Nvidia GeForce 7950GT.
[20:04] <gecko2000> My sound just "stopped" working, and it's saying something about Xine can't find any sound drivers?????
[20:04] <marko> hello I would like to install kubuntu, but it appears busy box...anybody know whatss wrong ?
[20:04] <gecko2000> was working yesterday and now today nothing..
[20:07] <gecko2000> how would i fix the sound issue?
[20:10] <artur_> hello! I search peple from Poland
[20:11] <tinin> artur_ yo
[20:12] <tinin> artur me
[20:21] <sbucat> hello i have a problem with sharing
[20:21] <nicobrain> hello
[20:22] <sbucat> i have installed samba then i have removed with purge but when i go into konqueror i can see all the resources
[20:22] <nicobrain> i tested kde4 today, i have loaded a plasma-theme from kde-look ... but how do i install that?
[20:23] <Freddy2> hello
[20:24] <nicobrain> hello?
[20:24] <Freddy2> today i'm having a remaining package update (k3b) but after trying to update it keeps "updatable" (i'm using the graphic tool)
[20:24] <Freddy2> is there any way to upgrade this single packet at the command line?
[20:25] <Freddy2> (i think the upgrade option of apt-get is for the whole system, isnt it?)
[20:28] <artur_> are there people, who live in Japan?
[20:28] <Freddy2> oh, i see.. with the graphic tool you can request an upgrade, which seems to need a lib upgrade
[20:28] <Tm_T> !jp
[20:28] <Tm_T> har
[20:31] <kaptnemo> afternoon all
[20:32] <cosmofield> Hi
[20:32] <nate_> #Ubuntu
[20:32] <nate_> is this for ubuntu?
[20:32] <Tm_T> yes
[20:33] <nate_> okay
[20:33] <kaptnemo> anyone able to maybe offer a lil help getting my 3945ABG wireless card to work??
[20:33] <kaptnemo> PLZ?
[20:33] <Tm_T> nate_: or, more like, this is for Kubuntu
[20:33] <nate_> gahh. how do i get to ubuntu
[20:33] <nate_> i tried #Ubuntu
[20:33] <nate_> not workin
[20:33] <nate_> lol
[20:33] <nate_> nvm
[20:33] <nate_> gay
[20:34] <Tm_T> erp
[20:34] <kaptnemo> anyone?
[20:34] <kaptnemo> =)
[20:34] <Tm_T> !anyone | kaptnemo
[20:34] <tinin> kaptnemo it should work out of the box
[20:34] <tinin> mine did
[20:34] <kaptnemo> well if pulls up my network
[20:34] <kaptnemo> but I can't get loged on wirelessly
[20:35] <kaptnemo> input my wep and it just kicks it back
[20:35] <tinin> don't use wep
[20:35] <tinin> share your connection ;)
[20:35] <tinin> with the world
[20:35] <kaptnemo> lol
[20:36] <kaptnemo> I could be nice I suppose
[20:36] <tinin> kaptnemo you can try different applications like wlassistant
[20:36] <ForgeAus> hehe silly unofficial ubuntu derivitives don't they realize all the derived ones just have their own little repositories you can add onto your ubuntu or kubuntu installation at will
[20:36] <tinin> or wifi-radar kaptnemo
[20:36] <benklop> ghostcube: what?
[20:36] <kaptnemo> ty I'll give those a try
[20:36] <K`zan> Anyone know of a tool to fix / identify bad MP3s?  Short of loading them one by one to see what hangs the player?
[20:36] <ghostcube> ??
[20:37] <ForgeAus> want dreamlinux's dockbar, add dreamlinux's repo, want enlightenment from OzOS add its repo! hehe :).... voila! even MintOS!
[20:37] <ghostcube> benklop: eh ?
[20:37] <ForgeAus> although most of them are gnomeGTK based additional packages and totally unnecessary...
[20:38] <benklop> ghostcube: it looks like you asked me "any applets?{"
[20:39] <benklop> oh, i see now that you probably used my name by accident
[20:39] <ghostcube> benklop: ah so u told me u fixed it i doesnt stayd any longer on the prob :)
[20:39] <benklop> that explains it, since i had no idea what you were talking about
[20:39] <ghostcube> benklop: could be i meant an other guy tab fault
[20:39] <ghostcube> then sorry for the mistake
[20:39] <ghostcube> :)
[20:39] <benklop> its no problem :)
[20:40] <ghostcube> :)
[20:41] <K`zan> OK,guess there is nothing for linux, guess I'll have to look for wincrap stuff.  Thanks anyhow.
[20:45] <kaptnemo> Hey Tm thanks for the help wlanassistant worked!
[20:52] <Guest70685> hi all
[20:53] <Guest70685>  i've got a question
[20:53] <Guest70685> anyone herer ?
[20:53] <definitely> i am here, but i am not sure if i can help, but i could try
[20:54] <rickest> Guest70685: just ask, intros not necessary
[20:54] <rickest> Guest70685: what you want, what you did, what you expected, what you got instead
[20:54] <Guest70685> in kopete
[20:54] <Guest70685> how do you connect as another user/email adress
[20:56] <rickest> no idea, might try #kopete
[21:03] <Guest70685> thanks
[21:11] <gecko2000> i'm having sound issues, anyone able to help?
[21:19] <rramalho> hi
[21:19] <Kieren[Laptop]> Hello
[21:19] <rramalho> i've just installed kubuntu on a Acer Aspire One
[21:19] <rramalho> but i can't install the wifi
[21:20] <rramalho> the madwifi thing doesn't work
[21:20] <Danu> Hi i need help how do i install kbfx themes?
[21:22] <Danu> please
[21:22] <raylu> rramalho, i have no idea what wireless chipset you're using, but try ndiswrapper
[21:22] <raylu> !hi Kieren[Laptop]
[21:22] <raylu> death.
[21:22] <raylu> !hi | Kieren[Laptop]
[21:23] <Danu> please
[21:24] <rramalho> raylu: there's a guide on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AspireOne and i'm following it
[21:24] <rramalho> but it fails when i get to the wireless part
[21:25] <rramalho> it says to download the source for the madwifi
[21:25] <rramalho> compile and install
[21:25] <rramalho> i did that and sometimes it detects my network
[21:25] <rramalho> but it can't connect
[21:27] <raylu> that probably means you're just having wireless config issues
[21:27] <raylu> not so much hardware/driver issues. what kind of network is it?
[21:28] <rramalho> well it works with 5 more wireless devices... it's a Apple Time Capsule
[21:28] <raylu> huh?
[21:28] <rramalho> WPA2
[21:28] <raylu> it = ?
[21:29] <raylu> are you referring to your router?
[21:29] <rramalho> yeah
[21:29] <raylu> when i said wireless config issues, i meant with your computer
[21:29] <raylu> i'm sure your router is fine
[21:29] <rramalho> lol
[21:29] <rramalho> ok
[21:29] <raylu> have you seen https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WPAHowTo/Kubuntu ?
[21:30] <mark_> hey, is it correct that kubuntu kde4 is hardly translated
[21:32] <raylu> i assume you've already asked in #kubuntu-es? it's unlikely any of us would know
[21:32] <mark_> well people here develop, but i asked there also,
[21:32] <mark_> thx anyway ;)
[21:35] <roldyx> hello, when I press ctrl-Esc, I cant open window process
[21:35] <roldyx> why?
[21:35] <vilhelm> ooh feels so good to be back in ubuntu guys :D
[21:35] <vilhelm> been playing some games in windows for the last 2 weeks :D
[21:36] <WebGuest1> hi i'm having problems with my xorg.conf: http://paste.linuxassist.net/9023 <-- xorg.conf, http://paste.linuxassist.net/9018 <-- error using vesa
[21:36] <WebGuest1> http://paste.linuxassist.net/9019 <-- error using nv
[21:38] <raylu> your nv paste seems to be cut off
[21:38] <raylu> and your vesa error seems to be a simple misconfiguration
[21:39] <WebGuest1> i got it mixed up, 9019 is my  VESA config, and 9018 is a NV config
[21:39] <WebGuest1> I had to do a cold reboot because nothing was displaying (i cant even get to my ttys)
[21:40] <raylu> ok, then your vesa paste seems to have been cut off
[21:40] <WebGuest1> so it may appear to be cutoff
[21:40] <WebGuest1> it's cutoff because i had to do a cold-reboot
[21:43] <WebGuest1> raylu what's the simple misconfiguration?
[21:43] <raylu> nevermind, misread
[21:43] <raylu> i thought you didn't configure a screen :P
[21:45] <raylu> which nvidia card do you have?
[21:47] <WebGuest1> quadro FX 570M
[21:47] <WebGuest1> i can try installing the drivers
[21:47] <raylu> and how did you install the drivers?
[21:47] <WebGuest1> um i can't right now
[21:47] <WebGuest1> lol
[21:47] <WebGuest1> the laptop doesnt' have access to the internet
[21:47] <WebGuest1> i'd need to set up gcc somehow
[21:48] <WebGuest1> as i don't have build-essential
[21:49] <raylu> er...
[21:49] <raylu> so you don't have the nv driver installed?
[21:49] <WebGuest1> i need to find a .deb package for it first somehow
[21:49] <ForgeAus> is /media/* fusemounted?
[21:49] <WebGuest1> i don't know how to figure out if i have it installed already
[21:50] <raylu> aptitude search nvidia
[21:51] <raylu> i means installed, p means not installed
[21:51] <stdin> WebGuest1: the live cd has the build-essential .debs on it
[21:51] <raylu> ForgeAus, it can be
[21:51] <raylu> in my case, it's not
[21:51] <WebGuest1> aptitude search returns nothing (i dont have internet access on the laptop)
[21:52] <raylu> o.0
[21:52] <raylu> without internet access, you should still be able to get a package list
[21:52] <ForgeAus> grr what does it take to let me write/install something in Linux! lol!
[21:52] <raylu> ForgeAus, huh?
[21:52] <ForgeAus> sorry Security just keeps getting in my way
[21:52] <stdin> WebGuest1: you put the CD in and run "sudo apt-cdrom add", then "sudo apt-get update"
[21:53] <ForgeAus> I mean this is a single user system, and sudoing all the time is getting... old real fast...
[21:53] <ForgeAus> even worse those times I forget to put sudo in and get an error back :(
[21:53] <TimS> Whats the name of the alt+space application again, its frozen and I cant remeber its name tokill it
[21:54] <TimS> katapult, never mind :p
[21:54] <ForgeAus> erm... Linux itself is multi-user I meant I'm the only user who uses this PC
[21:56] <vyrgozunqk> is there any way to use 'su' in kubuntu
[21:56] <vyrgozunqk> instead of sudo su
[21:56] <vyrgozunqk> :/
[21:56] <roldyx> sudo bash
[21:56] <vyrgozunqk> its a lot easier
[21:56] <roldyx> or su
[21:56] <ForgeAus> sudo -i ?
[21:57] <vyrgozunqk> aaa tnx roldyx
[21:57] <vyrgozunqk> :)
[21:57] <ForgeAus> what does sudo su mean anyway?
[21:57] <ForgeAus> super user do super user?
[21:57] <roldyx> vyrgozunqk: de nada
[21:57] <vyrgozunqk> ops thats not what exactly i wanted
[21:57] <vyrgozunqk> :/
[21:57] <WebGuest1> i need to get gcc onto my laptop that doesn't have internet access and i don't have a live-cd, all i have is a USB-key
[21:58] <vyrgozunqk> i need every time whene i typee su and then my pass to become root , like in suse
[21:58] <icelab> hi everyone
[21:58] <siegie> WebGuest1, just download gcc + dependencies from http://packages.ubuntu.com
[21:58] <vyrgozunqk> and su is a lot easier and fast instead of sudo bash ...
[21:58] <ForgeAus> sudo -i gives you essentially a root shell
[21:58] <ForgeAus> no need to type su or sudo at all that way
[21:59] <vyrgozunqk> yes i know, but is there any way to make su availablee with my password ?
[21:59] <ForgeAus> much faster :)
[21:59]  * ForgeAus shrugs
[21:59] <siegie> vyrgozunqk, is just log in as root,
[21:59] <icelab> are everybody capable to work konqueror on you tube?
[22:00] <ForgeAus> icelab it does work
[22:00] <roldyx> icelab: yes
[22:00] <vyrgozunqk> mm i don't want, my sister sometimes touch my PC
[22:00] <vyrgozunqk> ;)
[22:00] <siegie> vyrgozunqk, su, is just log in as root,
[22:00] <ForgeAus> youtube needs flash plugin
[22:00] <ForgeAus> !flash
[22:00] <roldyx> install flash plugin
[22:00] <ForgeAus> actually its flash-plugin-nonfree I think
[22:00] <icelab> i have the 3.5 version bat the browser do not work propely
[22:00] <WebGuest1> there's like 5 million dependencies for gcc lol
[22:01] <ForgeAus> whoa !dapper is recent?
[22:01] <ForgeAus> I think thats a little outdated that message
[22:01] <vyrgozunqk> ok then siegie, but how to change root's password ?
[22:01] <vyrgozunqk> cause at the install kubuntu askeed me only about my acc pass
[22:01] <siegie> vyrgozunqk, i don't know why you want to do that, you can just run sudo -i instead.
[22:02] <ForgeAus> you can use system-settings to set a root pass if you want
[22:02] <vyrgozunqk> mm its a lot easieer for me
[22:02] <ForgeAus> but its mostly not necessary
[22:02] <vyrgozunqk> and its an old habbit
[22:02] <icelab> on kubuntu 7.04
[22:02] <siegie> vyrgozunqk, make an alias off sudo -i
[22:03] <ForgeAus> ice you may have a priority problem with flash and some other plugin/applet etc...
[22:03] <vyrgozunqk> :)
[22:03] <icelab> and what i have to do?
[22:05] <WebGuest1> when i try to update my nvidia drivers
[22:05] <WebGuest1> do i use the http://packages.debian.org/etch/nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-6-amd64 kernel?
[22:06] <siegie> WebGuest1, you need nvidia-glx
[22:06]  * raylu thinks WebGuest1 should try to get vesa working first
[22:07] <WebGuest1> siegie unfortunately i can't apt-get anything
[22:07] <vyrgozunqk> mm i enabled and added a pass for the root, so now i have su ;)
[22:08] <vyrgozunqk> tnx guys
[22:08] <siegie> WebGuest1, Read what i sad earlier
 WebGuest1, just download gcc + dependencies from http://packages.ubuntu.com
[22:08] <icelab> forge i have installed a flash plugin
[22:08] <vyrgozunqk> ghostcube, say something :D
[22:09] <icelab> because firefox work
[22:09] <ForgeAus> what does konqui do? show just a grey box?
[22:10] <vyrgozunqk> hmm does somebody tried google chrome with wine ?
[22:10] <ForgeAus> yes
[22:10] <ForgeAus> and it works
[22:10] <ForgeAus> but installing it isn't so straightforward
[22:10] <vyrgozunqk> ok, tnx :)
[22:10] <ForgeAus> you need certain dependancies
[22:10] <vyrgozunqk> like what ?
[22:10] <ghostcube> ^^
[22:11] <ForgeAus> like dcom98, wine-gecko riched20 riched30 and stuff, I don't know which ones exactly tho
[22:11] <agentdas> kde just seems unstable at some times. there is just a certian appeal that xfce has on my attetion. duel monitors were giving me a trouble (hardware)
[22:12] <ForgeAus> agent I found KDE much nicer than XFCE...
[22:12] <ForgeAus> but then each to their own I guess
[22:12] <ForgeAus> then again to me XFCE = pretty much a Gnome-lite
[22:12] <vyrgozunqk> yes but if you dont have composite manager XFCE looks very crappy and i think gnome is lot more usable than XFCE
[22:14] <Random1> I have an Acer Aspire one and would like to install Kubuntu. Do i go with the KDE4 edition?
[22:15] <siegie> Random1, kde4 is still not feature complete but useable, and nice :)
[22:15] <raylu> emphasis on nice
[22:16] <Random1> hmmm..
[22:16] <Random1> that doesnt help!
[22:16] <Random1> :)
[22:16] <raylu> what do you use your computer for?
[22:16] <vyrgozunqk> yes but kde4 is also very heavy i think more even than  pista
[22:16] <raylu> and what are you willing to put up with?
 how do i get my installation to detect my T61P monitor?
[22:16] <Random1> this will be for just browsing/light email/ and def. need wifi.
[22:16] <agentdas> yes, gnome does have a smoother glance and appearance. it does just come down to what you want your X to look like. I just dont want my super comp to run something simple but that is what it might just come down too
[22:17] <icelab1> forge are you here?
[22:17] <raylu> Random1, what are you using now?
[22:18] <raylu> icelab1, did you have a problem with flash?
[22:18] <icelab1> yes
[22:18] <icelab1> flash and konqueror
[22:18] <raylu> how far did you get / what have you done so far?
[22:18] <icelab1> sorry?
[22:19] <raylu> how far did you get and what have you done so far?
[22:19] <raylu> with regard to installing/configuring flash
[22:19] <icelab1> i have installed a flash plugin
[22:19] <Random1> ray ubuntu
[22:19] <vyrgozunqk> mmm everybody loves crapuntu
[22:19] <vyrgozunqk> :D
[22:20] <raylu> icelab1, er...could you be a little more specific?
[22:20] <raylu> and what are you seeking help with now?
[22:21] <raylu> Random1, if literally all you do is surfing/checking e-mail, i don't really think it matters
[22:21] <WebGuest1>  if i can't compile a kernel for my nvidia drivers, what do i download and where do i put it so i can run the nvidia install script? (no access to internet to get cc)
[22:21] <icelab1> i have installed the plugin for firefox that work proply
[22:21] <raylu> icelab1, from the repositories?
[22:21] <icelab1> yes
[22:22] <Random1> raylu will there be the same driver issues that Ubuntu experienced? its just a vizualization package for the most part?
[22:22] <icelab1> i searh on the repositery a konqueror flash plugin and i have installed
[22:22] <raylu> WebGuest1, huh? if you can't get access to the internet, why are you asking what to download?
[22:22] <raylu> icelab1, which package?
[22:22] <icelab1> wait just a moment
[22:23] <raylu> Random1, what? gnome/kde have nothing to do with hardware. and what are you talking about when you say visualization package?
[22:23] <WebGuest1> raylu because i'm going to copy it over with a usbkey
[22:23] <raylu> WebGuest1, why don't you just copy over the nvidia-*.deb file?
[22:24] <x_> Hi
[22:24] <x_> where do I get wine 1.1.4 for ubuntu?
[22:24] <raylu> !it > icelab1
[22:24] <raylu> o.0, that defeated the purpose.
[22:24] <icelab1> flash plugin non free and konqueror gnash
[22:25] <raylu> x_, it doens't exist in the repositories, as far as i know. compile
[22:26] <raylu> icelab1,  as in flashplugin-nonfree and konqueror-plugin-gnash?
[22:26] <x_> compiling wine for kubuntu is too hard
[22:26] <raylu> x_ why?
[22:26] <x_> because I can't run something to automate it
[22:27] <icelab1> yes and libgnash0
[22:27] <raylu> x_, huh?
[22:27] <x_> raylu, how many steps do I need to install wine from source?
[22:28] <x_> just compiling it will take me an hour
[22:28] <nicolas> hi, i updated mi kubuntu 64bits and it stop finding wlan nets
[22:28] <vyrgozunqk> sudo apt-get build-depend wine
[22:28] <raylu> icelab1, are you 64-bit, by any chance?
[22:28] <vyrgozunqk> after this download wine source and compile it
[22:28] <vyrgozunqk> :]
[22:28] <raylu> x_, it's not like you have to sit there for an hour and watch make run
[22:29] <raylu> nicolas, updated from what?
[22:29] <icelab1> no i have a 32 bit system
[22:29] <x_> raylu, I need it to install Corel X
[22:29] <x_> *X3
[22:29] <nicolas> updated with adept
[22:29] <raylu> x-, er...so?
[22:29] <nicolas> autoupdate
[22:30] <raylu> icelab1, have you done this? "In Konqueror, click Settings → Configure Konqueror. Scroll down the side to Plugins. Click Scan for new plugins"
[22:30] <raylu> nicolas, updated _from what_?
[22:30] <raylu> not how
[22:30] <Darkhound> good afternoon
[22:30] <Darkhound> guys
[22:30] <icelab1> yes i have doit
[22:30] <Darkhound> how do i properly install firefox 3
[22:30] <x_> How do I autoupdate?
[22:31] <nicolas> nt know
[22:31] <raylu> x_, update what?
 autoupdate
[22:31] <x_> wine
[22:31] <raylu> Darkhound, grab it from the repositories
[22:31] <Darkhound> can you please tell me how?
[22:31] <roldyx> Darkhound: download and tar xvfz firefox....
[22:31] <raylu> x_, that was an answer to my question and has nothing to do with wine
[22:32] <raylu> Darkhound, run adept package manager
[22:32] <roldyx> next ./firefox
[22:32] <Darkhound> raylu....
[22:32] <raylu> roldyx, he said install
[22:32] <Darkhound> i am fairly new to dos
[22:32] <raylu> Darkhound, there is no dos...
[22:32] <Darkhound> do i use teh add/remove programs?
[22:32] <raylu> icelab1, does it appear in the plugins?
[22:32] <aspoor> whats .FireFox.Desktop
[22:32] <raylu> Darkhound, ...run...adept...package...manager...
[22:33] <Darkhound> raylu, where do i find adept package manager.. this is my 1st TIME In kubuntu
[22:33] <raylu> aspoor, it's a shortcut
[22:33] <raylu> Darkhound, in the kmenu (bottom-left)
[22:36] <Darkhound> ok, what do i do next?
[22:36] <raylu> Darkhound, find firefox and mark it for installation
[22:36] <raylu> there's some search thing at the top, iirc
[22:36] <Darkhound> done...
[22:36] <raylu> and there's also a button somewhere to commit the marked changes
[22:37] <raylu> once that finishes, you should have firefox somewhere in your kmenu->internet
[22:38] <Darkhound> ahh it now appears on my meny thanks
[22:38] <Darkhound> now..
[22:38] <Darkhound> what is the difference between this and add remove programs?
[22:38] <raylu> i'm not actually sure what add and remove programs does
[22:38] <raylu> i opened it once, looked at it briefly, and never touched it again
[22:39] <raylu> by the way, DOS is entirely a microsoft thing. when you open konsole, you're using a terminal (konsole) to look at a shell (bash)
[22:41] <icelab1> plugin of netscape and his position on the gerarchy
[22:41] <icelab1> tree
[22:41] <raylu> ??
[22:42] <Darkhound> i see
[22:42] <Darkhound> thanks
[22:42] <Darkhound> and last but not least
[22:43] <Darkhound> how do i install the flash player that firefox now requieres
[22:43] <Darkhound> there is an RPM a YUM and a tar
[22:43] <raylu> o.0
[22:44] <raylu> in general, you're looking for .debs
[22:44] <raylu> whenever you're looking for software, search the repositories first
[22:44] <raylu> and the web second
[22:44] <Darkhound> i see
[22:44] <Alex135> hey, anyone ever been able to run kismet properly on kubuntu 8.04 useing an atheros wifi card?
[22:46] <ign0ramus> What am i doing wrong here? --> http://pastebin.com/m6f3ba17d
[22:48] <raylu> ign0ramus, why did you use -f?
[22:48] <romain_> bonjour
[22:48] <ign0ramus> raylu: to fix broken dependencies
[22:48] <raylu> !fr | romain_
[22:49] <ign0ramus> "E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution)."
[22:49] <jussi01> ign0ramus: try this: sudo dpkg -i --force-all /var/cache/apt/archives/libk3b-dev_1.0.5-1ubuntu4~hardy1_i386.deb
[22:49] <jussi01> ign0ramus: that *may* break it though
[22:49] <raylu> actually, it seems the problem is that
[22:49] <raylu> it's not removing k3b2 before installing -dev
[22:50] <raylu> "trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libk3b.so', which is also in package libk3b2"
[22:50] <raylu> but libk3b2 is marked for removal
[22:50] <ign0ramus> jussi01: can't - depends on libk3b-dev, which I cannot install
[22:50] <ign0ramus> raylu: I see what the problem is, but how to I fix it?
[22:51] <BraveSpear> Does anyone know a web page that shows how to customize applications-kmenuedit.menu ?
[22:51] <raylu> i assume "apt-get remove libk3b2" doens't work?
[22:51] <raylu> BraveSpear, there's already a gui for configuring your kmenu, isn't there?
[22:51] <BraveSpear> Yes.
[22:51] <Alex135> there is
[22:51] <ign0ramus> raylu: http://pastebin.com/m5dcc8b51
[22:52] <raylu> ign0ramus, try using aptitude, because it'll probably suggest what i'm about to say:
[22:52] <raylu> remove those two packages also :D
[22:53] <raylu> btw, why do you need libk3b-dev?
[22:53] <ign0ramus> raylu: it was listed upon an "upate && upgrade"
[22:53] <trojkolka> hello everyone.. one small question... since today when i update and dist-upgrade my system it tells me k3b is being kept back why is this?
[22:53] <ign0ramus> raylu: i didn't specify it
[22:54] <raylu> ign0ramus, hrm. anyway, remove all 3 packages and then install k3b again
[22:54] <BraveSpear> Can you show me how to customize the menus of a livecd I am mastering using applications-kmenuedit.menu?
[22:54] <ign0ramus> raylu: i'm purging k3b altogether, and reinstalling
[22:54] <Darkhound> raylu
[22:54] <Darkhound> i cant seem to find the flash player plugin for firefox
[22:54] <Darkhound> any pointers please
[22:54] <ign0ramus> Darkhound: from the adobe website?
[22:54] <raylu> Darkhound, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash
[22:54] <Darkhound> hanks
[22:54] <raylu> !flash | Darkhound
[22:54] <raylu> cool.
[22:55] <avg> hola alguie me da una mano
[22:55] <ign0ramus> Darkhound: http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/
[22:55] <Darkhound> let me try those links guys
[22:55] <raylu> !es | avg
[22:55] <trojkolka> anyone on the k3b package being kept back?
[22:55] <ForgeAus> flash player 10 now? when did that happen?
[22:55] <ign0ramus> 08/11
[22:56] <ign0ramus> its only a release candidate, but it supports wmode and V4L2 (webcams on Flash now!)
[22:56] <ForgeAus> whats wmode?
[22:56] <ign0ramus> windowless mode
[22:56] <ForgeAus> awesome :)
[22:56] <ForgeAus> oh wait, thats not good
[22:57] <raylu> er, the one in the repositories is v10 (i think)
[22:57] <ForgeAus> advertisers will try to make their ads like dashboard widgets! :(
[22:57] <raylu> 10.0.1.218+10.0.0.525ubuntu1~hardy1+really9.0.124.0ubuntu2
[22:57] <Darkhound> ok, let me try brb
[22:58] <ign0ramus> raylu: well, purging k3b and all dependencies altogether, and reinstalling seems to have got me out of dependency hell
[22:58] <raylu> :D
[22:58] <Darkhound> !add repository
[22:58] <Darkhound> sigh
[22:58] <ign0ramus> raylu: i forced some things, because apt kept reminding me that packages have 'been left back' by the update process
[22:59] <ign0ramus> !repos
[22:59] <Darkhound> thanks
[22:59] <ign0ramus> np :)
[23:00] <pinki3001> hol
[23:00] <pinki3001> hola
[23:00] <pinki3001> alguien me puede ayudar
[23:00] <ForgeAus> k3b wasnt' what bothered me about dependancies it was kstars
[23:00] <ign0ramus> !es | pinki3001
[23:01] <ForgeAus> had a conflict package that was also a package it upgrades which is fine, but it also required it! oddly enough
[23:01] <ForgeAus> so none of the reqs could be met! it can't do all 3 conflict, replace and require it!
[23:01] <ign0ramus> ForgeAus: i'm sure that was fixed in a timely manner, right?
[23:02] <ForgeAus> ign0ramus no idea havn't checked yet
[23:02] <ForgeAus> its quite possible its already fixed
[23:02] <ign0ramus> ForgeAus: I've encountered similar issues, and they were usually fixed within a few days (sometimes a few *hours*)
[23:02]  * ForgeAus shrugs
[23:02] <ign0ramus> ForgeAus: did you file a bug report?
[23:03] <ign0ramus> the silent wheel gets no grease
[23:03] <raylu> A bad analogy is like a leaky screwdriver.
[23:04] <ForgeAus> your right, but no I ddin't file a bug report, at the time I didn't know it was a bug, I told someone else, they said they already knew about it, so I'm assuming they'd already sent a bug report of their own
[23:04] <ForgeAus> plus I don't know how to file a bug report for it
[23:04] <ign0ramus> my statement was a the converse of a colloquialism; yours was a (questionable) analogy
[23:05] <raylu> oh
[23:05] <raylu> i didn't get it until now :P
[23:05] <ForgeAus> screwdrivers leak? oh you mean the drink
[23:05] <raylu> no
[23:05]  * ForgeAus chuckles
[23:05] <raylu> oh =\
[23:06] <ign0ramus> raylu: you've never heard "the squeaky wheel gets the grease"?
[23:06] <ForgeAus> I kinda like the good old "you catch more flies with honey" one... at least I think its flies
[23:06] <raylu> actually, no. which is why i didn't get it until you mentioned that it was from a colloquialism
[23:06] <ign0ramus> if you don't speak up, you're not likely to get help.  in so many words
[23:07] <ForgeAus> or how about the extended one, "a rolling stone gathers no moss, but gains a certain polish" :)
[23:07] <ign0ramus> a nice addition!
[23:08] <ForgeAus> or contradictory ones "many hands make light work but too many cooks spoil the broth"
[23:08] <Darkhound> damn
[23:08] <ForgeAus> well thats not quite contradictory, its just that the goals don't seem to match... all about balance I guess...
[23:08] <Darkhound> i got this.. help
[23:08] <ForgeAus> whats wrong Darkhound?
[23:08] <ign0ramus> is it lupus?
[23:09] <Darkhound> THE apt DATABASE could not be opened... this may be cuased by incorrect APT configuation
[23:09] <ForgeAus> or typhoid?
[23:09] <ign0ramus> sudo apt-get install apt
[23:09] <ign0ramus> ;)
[23:09] <ForgeAus> the apt database cannot be opened, um first I've heard of that...
[23:09] <ForgeAus> uh ohh kay... how can you apt-get apt when apt can't open the database?
[23:10] <ForgeAus> thats a real head spinner!
[23:10] <Darkhound> darkhound@darktop:~$ sudo apt-get install apt
[23:10] <Darkhound> E: Type 'backup' is not known on line 56 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[23:10] <Darkhound> E: The list of sources could not be read.
[23:10] <ForgeAus> ahh.... you have a problem in your sources.list file
[23:10] <Darkhound> how do i fix it
[23:10] <ForgeAus> it resides in /etc/apt/ afaik
[23:10] <Darkhound> ok hold
[23:11] <ForgeAus> its just a text file that refers to your repositories
[23:11] <ign0ramus> Darkhound: http://pastebin.com/m78e140b6  Replace 'gutsy' with your distro
[23:11] <raylu> (heh, ForgeAus, the directory is given in the error message)
[23:11] <ForgeAus> it even told you its line 56 that is causinh the issue :)
[23:11] <ign0ramus> Darkhound: or as ForgeAus said, fix (or delete) line 56
[23:12] <ForgeAus> good point raylu, I didn't notice that
[23:12] <Darkhound> what
[23:12] <Darkhound> one at a tiem please
[23:12] <Darkhound> i am nervous here
[23:12] <Darkhound> what is gutsy
[23:12] <ForgeAus> darkhound you can also comment out the line with a # as the first character
[23:12] <ForgeAus> gutsy is a version name basically
[23:12] <ForgeAus> (gutsy gibbon)
[23:12] <Darkhound> what is that
[23:12] <Darkhound> remember iam new to this
[23:12] <ign0ramus> Darkhound: " sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list"
[23:12] <ForgeAus> !gutsy
[23:12] <ForgeAus> hardy is the current Kubuntu version afaik
[23:13] <ForgeAus> the up-and coming one will be called Intrepid Ibex (notice the alphabetical thing)
[23:13] <ign0ramus> Darkhound: once you've opened your sources.list in kate, find line 56
[23:13] <ForgeAus> actually no ig0ramus its kdesu (or kdesudo) kate
[23:13] <ForgeAus> not just sudo, you use kdesu for gui apps
[23:13] <Darkhound> ok wait
[23:13] <ign0ramus> ForgeAus: technically, you are correct, but sudo also works
[23:14] <ForgeAus> uh ask Jucato why he might have more info but he warned us against using sudo for gui apps
[23:14] <raylu> !kdesu
[23:14] <ForgeAus> Sudo *may* work but, afaik it isn't recommended in this manner
[23:14] <Darkhound> ok this worked
[23:14] <Darkhound> sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[23:14] <Darkhound> thanks
[23:14] <Darkhound> now...
[23:15] <Darkhound> i want to change my distro?
[23:15] <ign0ramus> Darkhound: no
[23:15] <ign0ramus> Darkhound: go to line 56
[23:15] <Darkhound> i did
[23:15] <Darkhound> i erased the word "backup"
[23:15] <Darkhound> and now everythingworks
[23:15] <Darkhound> what i was trying to do is add a new repository
[23:15] <ign0ramus> there you go  :)
[23:15] <Darkhound> thanks!
[23:15] <ign0ramus> Darkhound: you probably had the syntax wrong
[23:15] <Darkhound> ok.... i wanted to add the Backups repository
[23:16] <ForgeAus> it generally goes deb (or deb-src) <url to repository here> <distro here>
[23:16] <ign0ramus> Darkhound: where did you find the url to the Backups Repo?
[23:17] <Darkhound> on one of the links you guys gave me
[23:17] <Darkhound> but i am not sure how to add it
[23:17] <ForgeAus> something like that anyway, I don't quite know myself the format, but thats roughly the gist of things...
[23:18] <Xarver> Hey
[23:18] <ign0ramus> Darkhound: what, specifically, is the repo you are trying to add?
[23:18] <Darkhound> well... someone mentioned to add a third party repo
[23:18] <Darkhound> like packman or something
[23:19] <Xarver> I'm trying to create a launcher for my c++ program, and I want it o run in the terminal
[23:19] <ign0ramus> Darkhound: ok, so what is the specific repo you are trying to add???
[23:19] <Xarver> to run*
[23:19] <Darkhound> packman
[23:19] <Darkhound> i was told that is a good one to have
[23:19] <Xarver> And i made it run but the konsole just doesn't open [I think it opens and closes
[23:20] <ForgeAus> hmmm sudo kate does work, the website explaining it says sudo kate won't work maybe its an older version?
[23:20] <ForgeAus> odd, but still its better practice to use kdesu (or gksu for gnome/gtk)
[23:20] <Xarver> Any ideas? [I have the cin.get(); to!)
[23:20] <ForgeAus> and sudo for cli/curses apps
[23:20] <ign0ramus> ForgeAus: i know you're not supposed to, but i get lazy and 'sudo' everything for superuser privileges...
[23:21] <Xarver> I'm trying to create a launcher for my c++ program, and I want it to run in the terminal
[23:21] <Xarver> :P
[23:21] <Darkhound> so i can add either pigdib or amsn
[23:21] <ForgeAus> I wonder what that means for if your in a root shell (say sudo -i) if it still matters for gui apps?...
[23:21] <ign0ramus> Darkhound: isn't packman a SuSE repo?
[23:21] <Xarver> Any Help? :P
[23:21] <Darkhound> I do not know... i am new to linux guys.. i am really pushing to leave windows
[23:21] <ign0ramus> Xarver: no clue.
[23:21] <Darkhound> than i sho7uld have asked.. how do i add amsn
[23:22] <ForgeAus> and/or the reverse, if your in a root-mode gui shell (which is kinda difficult to do with Kubuntu's default settings)... if it affects cli apps?
[23:22] <ign0ramus> Darkhound: hang on.
[23:22] <Darkhound> ignoramus, I REALLY appreciate your hlep
[23:22] <Xarver> Can i repeat what I said for help? o_________o
[23:22] <ForgeAus> amsn is just another package, all you do is use
[23:22] <ForgeAus> sudo apt-get install amsn
[23:22] <ign0ramus> Darkhound: aMSN is in the repos already, but I happen to think Kopete is better, and even Pidgin is better
[23:23] <raylu> Darkhound, what's wrong with kopete?
[23:23] <ForgeAus> (or use adept to browse for it)
[23:23] <ForgeAus> or use kopete instead
[23:23] <ign0ramus> !ask | xarver
[23:23] <raylu> Xarver, is it a terminal only program/
[23:24] <Darkhound> you reccomend kopete over pidgin?
[23:24] <ign0ramus> Darkhound: have you enabled all the possible repos in Adept?
[23:24] <ign0ramus> Darkhound: I like Kopete better, yes
[23:24] <Xarver> Go kopete!
[23:24] <raylu> Xarver, you should be able to run the program directly. if not, look at konsole options
[23:24] <ign0ramus> Darkhound: Kopete also has better webcam support, if that matters to you
[23:24] <raylu> Xarver, specifically, -e
[23:24] <Darkhound> ign0ramus...... i dont know how do i make sure all repos are enabled?
[23:25] <ForgeAus> in adept there is a menu item called manage repositories
[23:25] <Darkhound> let me try kopete
[23:25] <ign0ramus> Darkhound: open Adept > click on "Adept" (top left) > 'manage repositories' > check all
[23:26] <Darkhound> ok, one second
[23:26] <ForgeAus> in there you can just check and uncheck boxes for the base ubuntu main, universe, multiverse, etc reposoitories
[23:26] <ForgeAus> or add custom repos, etc...
[23:26] <Darkhound> btw.. i am really finding kubuntu much more friendly than fedora, and suse
[23:26] <ForgeAus> (its a graphical way of editing sources.lst basically
[23:26] <Darkhound> i am very very pleased and impressed
[23:26] <ForgeAus> I agree kubuntu is friendly for the most part
[23:26] <ign0ramus> Darkhound: you can also add new repos in /etc/apt/sources.list, but for now, just use Adept ;)
[23:26] <ForgeAus> you can also tweak it to be more windows-like
[23:27] <ForgeAus> (ie in system-settings change the mouse policy to be double click instead of single click)
[23:27] <Darkhound> ok
[23:27] <ForgeAus> the only thing I still don't like so much about kde right now is ark...
[23:27] <Darkhound> i see canoical.suportd
[23:27] <Darkhound> community-mantained
[23:27] <Darkhound> propietary drivers
[23:27] <Darkhound> software resitreted
[23:27] <Darkhound> all are checked
[23:27] <ForgeAus> it doesn't seem to functiona nything like the winzip/winzip-like programs I was used to
[23:27] <ign0ramus> ForgeAus: Ark could use some work... I really don't like the kde4 version
[23:28] <ign0ramus> ForgeAus: it also is weird with password-protected archives
[23:28] <ForgeAus> hehe ign0ramus I was referring mostly to kde3 one, but yes...
[23:28] <Darkhound> that is under the Kubuntu tab
[23:28] <Darkhound> there is another tab called "Third party software"
[23:28] <ign0ramus> Darkhound: check all those, too
[23:28] <ForgeAus> third party software is where you get to add custom repositories
[23:28] <ForgeAus> (like your backup one probably)
[23:29] <Darkhound> ok done
[23:29] <ign0ramus> IIRC, they aren't enabled by default because of licensing restrictions, but you can enable them, which just gives you more choices
[23:29] <ign0ramus> Darkhound: now update
[23:29] <Xarver> raylu!
[23:29] <ForgeAus> thats correct ign0ramus afaik
[23:29] <Darkhound> it is downloading a bunch of stuff
[23:29] <B_Raven> Evening. Just dropped by to ask if any of you know a replacement for krandr in kubuntu 8.04. Annoying to have to open up system settings every time I want to change resolutions.
[23:30] <ign0ramus> Darkhound: congrats- you can now install *tons* of awesome software using adept or the command line (both using APT)
[23:30] <Darkhound> awesome
[23:30] <Darkhound> let me setup kopte brb
[23:30] <Darkhound> thank you
[23:30] <ign0ramus> np Darkhound :)
[23:31] <ForgeAus> krandr? kewl
[23:31] <ForgeAus> I ddin't know about that one
[23:31] <ForgeAus> ign0ramus apt itself is a front end to dpkg isn't it?
[23:32] <ign0ramus> ForgeAus: I don't believe so, but i've been wrong before.  I think apt is separate from dpkg
[23:32] <B_Raven> ForgeAus, well, it's missing from 8.04 at least and probably earlier versions of kubuntu. Hence the need for a replacement for it.
[23:32] <ForgeAus> BRaven while your at it an upgrade for knetscan would be nice :)
[23:33] <Xarver> >>>>>!!!!!!<<<<<
[23:33] <unclean> any way to mount an .iso and play it w/o burning it?
[23:33] <ForgeAus> it hasn't been upgraded since around 2002 lol
[23:33] <ForgeAus> (really its just a frontend to cli utils like ping, finger, whois, etc)
[23:34] <ForgeAus> sure unclean
[23:34] <ign0ramus> !fuseiso
[23:34] <ign0ramus> unclean: http://www.ubuntu-unleashed.com/2008/04/howto-mount-isos-in-ubuntu-easy-way.html
[23:34] <ForgeAus> if you have kiso you can do it in the gui (or possibly though system-settings or kcontrol's applets)
[23:35] <miglo> unclean: mount -o loop -t iso9660 ImageName /mnt/isoimage/
[23:35] <ForgeAus> if you need it thru cli, you need to use: sudo mount as a loopback device probably where -t flag is iso9660 (or whatever the correct code is)
[23:35] <ForgeAus> = "instant" virtual CD :)
[23:36] <ForgeAus> (or DVD)
[23:36] <Darkhound> ahhh kopete seems very very nice
[23:36] <miglo> unclean: ls /mnt/isoimage/   :)
[23:36] <Darkhound> on, now i got a very dumb and stupid request
[23:36] <ForgeAus> it is nice... and kinda simple...
[23:36] <Darkhound> i want my trashcan to be in my desktop, not in my taskbar
[23:36] <Darkhound> is that possible?
[23:36] <ForgeAus> lol Darkhound I thought there was no such thing as a stupid question
[23:36] <ign0ramus> Darkhound:  yes.
[23:36] <ForgeAus> yes its possible you cna create a .desktop item for it
[23:36] <ForgeAus> rightclick your desktop
[23:36] <ForgeAus> create new
[23:37] <ForgeAus> link to url
[23:37] <ForgeAus> where the url is trash:/
[23:37] <ForgeAus> (I think taht works)
[23:37] <Darkhound> llet me try that
[23:37] <ign0ramus> Darkhound: create a new text file. Name it "Trash.desktop"
[23:38] <ign0ramus> ForgeAus: IIRC, it won't animate (ie, it won't show if its full or not) that way
[23:38] <ign0ramus> Darkhound: then open the text file and paste this inside --> http://pastebin.com/m637515ee
[23:38] <ForgeAus> ign0ramus the only other way I can think of is using a plasmoid in kde4
[23:38] <Darkhound> what will that do?
[23:38] <ForgeAus> but you seem to know a better solution
[23:39] <ign0ramus> Darkhound: create a link to your trash on your desktop that will be animated (show whether or not there's files inside it)
[23:39] <B_Raven> Go figgure... Found it. Command is "krandtray" rather than krandr :\
[23:39] <ign0ramus> Darkhound: basically replicate the Windows Recylce Bin
[23:40] <ForgeAus> save it as trash.desktop right?
[23:40] <Darkhound> ok hold
[23:40] <ign0ramus> ForgeAus: yup
[23:40] <Darkhound> ok.. how do i open my trash.desktop?
[23:40] <Darkhound> with kate?
[23:40] <ign0ramus> kate works
[23:40] <ign0ramus> I <3 Kate
[23:41] <ForgeAus> hehe Kate is kewl
[23:41] <ign0ramus> btw, i found the article here a while ago.  when i migrated from Windows, i needed the trash on my desktop.  of course, i never use it anymore xD  http://linuxfud.wordpress.com/2006/09/24/how-to-add-the-trash-can-to-your-kubuntu-desktop/
[23:41] <raylu> um...
[23:41] <raylu> vim
[23:41]  * raylu ducks
[23:42] <ign0ramus> EMACS!
[23:42] <ForgeAus> lol raylu not for me
[23:42] <ForgeAus> cli and I don't match that well
[23:42]  * ign0ramus puts on warpaint
[23:42] <ForgeAus> I prefer gui solutions for fault tolerance and feedback purposes for the most part
[23:42] <Darkhound> mmm it doesnot seem to work
[23:42] <ign0ramus> no seriously, i don't do anything that technical.  Kate works for all my basic needs.
[23:43] <ign0ramus> Darkhound: read the link i posted and do it word for word.  it works. i have a trash icon on my desktop
[23:43] <ign0ramus> Darkhound: you must save it as "Trash.desktop", though
[23:43] <Darkhound> oklet me read that
[23:44] <Darkhound> i hope i never go back to windows
[23:45] <ForgeAus> it works for me
[23:45] <ign0ramus> proof: http://i38.tinypic.com/25jb21i.jpg
[23:46] <raylu> holy shit. what is that sidebar thing?
[23:46] <ForgeAus> one question tho... how do you empty the trash when you open it in a konqui window?
[23:47] <ForgeAus> just select each icon and delete?
[23:47] <ign0ramus> raylu: Superkaramba
[23:47] <ForgeAus> or is there a quicker method (ie menu item or button or something?)
[23:47] <ForgeAus> easier to rightclick the desktop icon and say empty trash
[23:47] <ign0ramus> ForgeAus: you can do that or just right-click
[23:48] <ForgeAus> ignoramus ok but how to do that with the open konqui window?
[23:48] <Darkhound> ignoramus, thanks
[23:48] <Darkhound> seems im ok for today
[23:48] <ign0ramus> ForgeAus: left-click.  opens konqui.  you can do a ctrl+a if you want to select all
[23:48] <ForgeAus> then del ?
[23:49] <ign0ramus> Darkhound: take it slow
[23:49] <Darkhound> I do not want ot go back to windows
[23:49] <ForgeAus> uh I'm going to mention it to #KDE ...
[23:49] <Kubunto> un channel en Spanish
[23:49] <ign0ramus> ForgeAus: Shift+delete
[23:49] <ForgeAus> you don't NEED to go back to windows with Kubuntu Darkhound
[23:49] <ign0ramus> !es | Kubunto
[23:49] <Darkhound> I really hope so
[23:49] <ForgeAus> for most stuff anyway
[23:49] <ForgeAus> (it can't run all Windows software or any Mac Software that I know of... but other than that, you shouldn't have a problem
[23:50] <ForgeAus> wine runs some Windows stuff...
[23:50] <ign0ramus> i still keep a Windows partition for certain things... why not if you already own it?
[23:50] <ForgeAus> like mirc for example
[23:50] <ign0ramus> I sync my Windows Mobile phone and need Windows for my printer, but that's about it
[23:51] <Darkhound> so, you recommend kubunto over opensuse 11?
[23:51] <ign0ramus> Darkhound: having used both, yes, i do
[23:52] <Darkhound> how do you "tag" my name so fast?
[23:52] <ign0ramus> Tab key
[23:52] <ign0ramus> type 'ig' then hit tab
[23:52] <Darkhound> ign0ramus: ahh I see, thank you
[23:52] <Kubunto> un canal en español
[23:52] <Darkhound> does it appear in red also?
[23:52] <ign0ramus> !es | Kubunto
[23:52] <Darkhound> Kubunto ya te dijeron
[23:52] <Darkhound> vete al canal #ubuntu-es
[23:52] <ign0ramus> Darkhound: yep :)
[23:53] <Kubunto> ok
[23:53] <Kubunto> thank
[23:53] <Darkhound> ok.. the last thing i need
[23:53] <Darkhound> is a good replacement for outlook
[23:53] <Darkhound> that has calendar, contact
[23:53] <Darkhound> scheduling etc
[23:53] <Darkhound> any pointers?
[23:53] <ForgeAus> um kdepim :)
[23:53] <Darkhound> this is my work laptop
[23:53] <ForgeAus> has kontact, korganizer, etc...
[23:53] <ign0ramus> Darkhound: that's iffy if you use ms exchange, but Thunderbird is awesome
[23:54] <ForgeAus> Thunderbird with the Lightning Extension is kewl too
[23:54] <Darkhound> thunderbird is just email..  ineed calendar meeting.. contact etc
[23:54] <ign0ramus> ...that's the other reason for Windows- my MS Exchange work email
[23:54] <ForgeAus> Lightning extnesion gives you calendar, not suer about meeting, but you can have contacts in Tbird
[23:54] <Darkhound> it is easy to integrate thunderbird and lightning?
[23:54] <ForgeAus> yes
[23:55] <Darkhound> ok guys, let me go home, and i will resume from there
[23:55] <ign0ramus> Darkhound: is a plugin like adblock for firefox
[23:55] <ForgeAus> you just browse for addons (like firefox's addons)
[23:55] <Darkhound> im at work
[23:55] <Darkhound> be back in a few
[23:55] <ForgeAus> or extensions, whatever you like to call them
[23:55] <unclean> I have to start Kiso as root first?
[23:55] <unclean> what does that mean?
[23:55] <Darkhound> I appreciate your time guys, i will be back shortly
[23:55] <ign0ramus> ForgeAus: they're "add ons" now... i still say "extensions", too
[23:56] <ForgeAus> unclean I wasn't aaware of that but if you need to go to a shell terminal (ie use konsole)
[23:56] <ForgeAus> and type in kdesu kiso
[23:56] <ForgeAus> then put in your password and you should be running kiso as root
[23:56] <ForgeAus> lol ign0ramus I still THINK of them as plugins
[23:56] <unclean> thnx
[23:56] <ForgeAus> even though plugins means something else when it comes to browsers
[23:57] <ForgeAus> thanx to netscape :)...
[23:57] <ign0ramus> thanks to netscape, we have firefox ;)
[23:58] <ForgeAus> that too :)
[23:58] <ign0ramus> 'phoenix' rose from the netscape ashes
[23:58] <ForgeAus> actually the most recent (and last to be made :( ) edition of netscape is essentially firefox...
[23:58] <ForgeAus> netscape had ashes?
[23:58] <ForgeAus> its about crematable now since its essentially dead...
[23:58] <ign0ramus> ForgeAus: i believe the dev team disbanded, and the mozilla foundation was formed
[23:59] <ForgeAus> wow netscape preceeded mozilla? I thought mozilla were the people that made netscape, but obviously I was mistaken or come into the game too late?