[00:04] <ToHellWithGA> milosz: for what it's worth, virtualbox has repositories again
[00:04] <ToHellWithGA> as of the 2.0.0 release you don't have to mess with downloading .deb files from Sun's website
[00:05] <ToHellWithGA> a sudden outbreak of common sense allowed them to distribute via apt repositories despite the defintion of 128 bit encryption as "ammunition"
[00:05] <ToHellWithGA> katcita: can you mount it anywhere else?
[00:05] <milosz> ha ok great
[00:05] <milosz> thanks
[00:05]  * milosz checks it out
[00:06] <ToHellWithGA> katcita: it probably really wanted to mount your partition as /media/disk or something along those lines so you would be able to use it
[00:07] <ToHellWithGA> katcita: are there any lines in /etc/fstab that refer to sda3 (probably commented because fstab prefers referring to UUIDs rather than /dev/sdXY)
[00:07] <ToHellWithGA> katcita: as a regular user i believe you can run "mount" in a terminal to see if/where it is mounted
[00:08] <ToHellWithGA> katcita: if it has no line in /etc/fstab you can make a line for it to tell it explicitly to mount at /home, something like:
[00:09] <ToHellWithGA> /dev/sda3  /home  ext3  relatime  0  2
[00:10] <ToHellWithGA> you'd need to fill in the appropriate filesystem, of course, and i don't really know what "relatime" means but it was the default chosen by ubuntu when i installed and asked it to mount my partition as /home
[00:10] <ToHellWithGA> katcita: marco
[00:10] <ToHellWithGA> milosz: #vbox usually has great helpers when it comes to getting virtualbox to run on just about any distribution you can imagine
[00:11] <katcita> ToHellWithGA: thats ok I fixed it
[00:11] <ToHellWithGA> right on
[00:11] <ToHellWithGA> was it automatically mounting in /media ?
[00:12] <katcita> no, I rerun mout /home 5 minutes later and it worked
[00:12] <milosz> ow
[00:12] <ToHellWithGA> katcita: that's way wacky
[00:12] <milosz> hmm no packages for I.I.
[00:13] <Volkodav> anybody tried OO-3 RC1 -64 bit from their site
[00:18] <bsnider> it's funny how many forum posts there are about network-manager
[00:20] <ToHellWithGA> milosz: there are general packages for ubuntu are there not?
[00:22] <milosz> ToHellWithGA, not sure
[00:23] <milosz> no they're version specific
[00:23] <ToHellWithGA> i'd think debian lenny might work
[00:23] <ToHellWithGA> it is the most unstable debian
[00:23] <ToHellWithGA> dunno if that would hose your ubuntu installation or not
[00:23] <ToHellWithGA> let me try it :)
[00:28] <ToHellWithGA> something is keeping my window decorations from being rearranged as i specified in gconf-editor's apps/metacity area
[00:29] <ToHellWithGA> i chose close,minimize,maximize:menu yet the buttons never moved
[00:29] <ToHellWithGA> historically the move has been instantaneous as soon as i finish editing the field
[00:37] <ToHellWithGA> milosz: i have it running from the "lenny" version, although erstazi in #vbox recommended the "hardy" version
[00:38] <milosz> what about the modules anyway?
[00:38] <ToHellWithGA> i'd go with erstazi's suggestion then, if it doesn't work, tell him after you get the lenny version to work
[00:38] <ToHellWithGA> the modules are built at installation time
[00:38] <milosz> ahh
[00:38] <ToHellWithGA> they're kernel-specific
[00:38] <ToHellWithGA> so no worries on that front
[00:38] <milosz> yeah i know hence the
[00:38] <milosz> the question*
[00:40] <ToHellWithGA> yeah it's cool.  just run "sudo invoke-rc.d vboxdrv restart"
[00:40] <ToHellWithGA> maybe setup rather than restart if it isn't built yet
[00:42] <Volkodav> anybody has xkb layout problem? It never worked since I upgraded to Intrepid
[00:43] <Volkodav> I have my xorg setup correct Section "InputDevice I mean
[00:44] <ToHellWithGA> crimsun: who sets the bot aliases?  it seems far from obvious that the package "kcontrol" was replaced with "systemsettings" as grepping an apt-cache search for kde control center does not return the new kde4 equivalent.  some kind of '!info kcontrol intrepid is !info systemsettings' would be ace
[01:31] <ubuntu_> !nvidia
[01:31]  * RAOF suspects that doesn't apply to Intrepid
[01:31] <ubuntu_> how do I get the latest ones?
[01:32] <RAOF> Indeed it doesn't.
[01:32] <RAOF> ubuntu_: "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get full-uprgade"
[01:33] <RAOF> Latest Ubuntu drivers.
[01:33] <ubuntu_> nvidia drivers, I mean :S
[01:34] <RAOF> Indeed.  That'll get you the latest Ubuntu-packaged nvidia drivers.
[01:34] <ubuntu_> I always used alberto milone's envy script for installing them
[01:34] <ubuntu_> as it had the lates ones
[01:35] <RAOF> Right.  That is no more (because it broke stuff).
[01:35] <ubuntu_> :(
[01:35] <RAOF> There is EnvyNG, which is in the archives, and (might) has updated drivers.
[01:35] <ubuntu_> yeahç
[01:35] <RAOF> I'm unsure.  Is there any reason why you need newer drivers?
[01:36] <ubuntu_> kde4
[01:36] <RAOF> Then the latest drivers are already in Intrepid.
[01:36] <ubuntu_> with nvidia kde4 sucks :(
[01:36] <ubuntu_> ok
[01:37] <ubuntu_> Intrepid installed! rebooting, thanx RAOF, I'll try rigth now
[01:38] <eeejay> so is there a way to get the fglrx drivers?
[01:39] <RAOF> eeejay: Yes; same way as always.
[01:39] <RAOF> eeejay: On the other hand, there's no way to get a _working_ fglrx driver, because it doesn't exist.
[01:39] <eeejay> RAOF: you and your tricky answers!
[01:40] <RAOF> eeejay: I'm fairly sure there's still not a fglrx which works with Xserver 1.5, which is what's in Intrepid.
[01:40] <eeejay> RAOF: dkms bombs too many arguments to function ‘smp_call_function’
[01:41] <RAOF> And even if it didn't, it wouldn't work.
[01:41] <eeejay> i see
[01:42] <ubuntu_> I hope my new x3100 intel graphics card latop wont have so many problems
[01:43] <eeejay> ubuntu_: it is probably supported very well
[01:44] <ubuntu_> he intrepid kde4 installer just stopped, it doesn't even tell you to reboot or congratulations, intrepid is installed!
[01:45] <ubuntu_> you are supposed to press Quit?
[01:45] <ubuntu_> or install again?
[01:45] <ubuntu_> weird
[01:47] <ubuntu_> nooooooooooooooooo      buggy installer
[01:50] <bronson> I'm running Intrepid latest.  It panics on boot when my USB scanner is plugged in!
[01:50] <bronson> It boots fine if it's unplugged, and it runs fine if I plug it in after boot.
[01:51] <bronson> I'd paste the panic output but that's a LOT of typing...  Is there a better way of diagnosing this?
[01:52] <bronson> Didn't happen under 2.6.26 of course.
[01:52] <RAOF> bronson: A photo of the panic output would be good.  Testing that it doesn't happen on 2.6.27-1 would be good.
[01:52] <RAOF> And these things would then go on a bug, filed against the linux package.
[01:53] <bronson> OK.
[01:53] <bronson> How do I downgrade to 2.6.27-1?  apt-cache search 2.6.27-1 shows nothing.
[01:53] <RAOF> Ah.  You don't still have it installed?
[01:54] <RAOF> Bah!
[01:54] <bronson> I don't think so.  Let me make sure.
[01:54] <bronson> nope.  I went a few weeks without upgrading.
[01:56] <RAOF> Hm.  Then just mention that it works on 2.6.26, then.
[01:56] <bronson> OK
[01:57] <RAOF> Unless you've got a fair amount of time and want to be _really_ useful.
[01:57] <bronson> haha, a bisect isn't possible this week.
[01:57] <WelshDragon> For some reason all my logout, shutdown buttons have changed to an older style of layout. (Got the green man top right, and the logout button is in a seperate dialog to the shutdown etc buttons) Anyway to change it back?
[01:57] <bronson> It would be kind of tough anyway.  The crash isn't 100% of the time.  It's probably ~60%.
[01:58] <RAOF> That's pretty annoying.  File the bug; maybe someone else will have time for a bisect, or can give some pointers as to where it's likely to have broken.
[01:58] <bronson> OK
[02:22] <bsnider> bronson, maybe your bios is set to try usb devices on boot
[02:24] <bronson> bsnider, the bios does initialize the keyboard.
[02:25] <bronson> but the panic doesn't occur until right before X is launched...  that seems rather late for it to be a bios issue.
[02:25] <bsnider> there are all kinds of usb updates in the .27 kernel
[02:49] <milosz> i've got a problem with my keyboard
[02:50] <milosz> the keys are all mapped wrong, e.g. cursor up causes GNOME to make a screenshot
[02:50] <milosz> pgup/pgdown, home, pos1, insert and del don't work at all
[02:52] <milosz> hmm strange i've unplugged it and now it works again
[02:52] <milosz> seems like a problem with the hardware
[02:53] <bsnider> alright everybody listen up
[02:53] <bsnider> luke has just finished uploading pulseaudio 9.12 to his ppa
[02:53] <bsnider> https://launchpad.net/~themuso/+archive
[02:55] <bsnider> it needs to be tested if it has any chance of making it into intrepid
[02:57] <bsnider> he was also supposed to add new versions of pavucontrol and paprefs but they're not in there yet
[02:57] <milosz> is VT switching from X to console deliberately disabled?
[02:57] <milosz> i checked with xev, the key events are allright
[02:57] <milosz> but i can't switch to the console
[02:58] <milosz> btw why is Intrepid such a grave alpha 1 month before the release?
[02:58] <bsnider> 6 weeks from the release date
[02:59] <bsnider> but if htey make the release date i'll eat my car
[02:59] <milosz> i just thought the same
[03:01] <bsnider> they've missed release dates before
[03:01] <bsnider> i'm ok with them missing it if htey properly integrate the kernel and pulse and the latest alsa
[03:01] <RAOF> Once, IIRC.
[03:02] <milosz> and fix nvidia-glx
[03:02] <milosz> on hardy with 177, everything was allright
[03:02] <bsnider> it's not borken
[03:02] <milosz> now on Intrepid with the included driver i get missing textures in f.e. Quake 3
[03:02] <RAOF> 177 works fine on Intrepid.
[03:02] <bsnider> RAOF and i are both using it
[03:02] <milosz> i'm not saying it's entirely broken
[03:02] <milosz> i'm running GNOME right now with compiz enabled
[03:02] <RAOF> Ah, right.  That might be the case.
[03:03] <milosz> but it also doesn't work entirely right
[03:03] <bsnider> missing textures would be nvidia's fault
[03:03] <RAOF> Right.  Beta driver, unfixable by us.
[03:03] <milosz> well i'd agree but the same driver on Hardy works fine
[03:03] <milosz> i know it can't possibly have anything to do with anything else but the nvidia driver
[03:03] <milosz> logically
[03:03] <RAOF> And?  The kernel's changed a bit since then.
[03:03] <milosz> but still somehow here it's broken now
[03:04] <bsnider> the kernel and x have both changed a lot
[03:04] <milosz> i'm not really bitching, i'm just wondering if i should report ths
[03:04] <milosz> this*
[03:04] <RAOF> There may well be a change in behaviour of the kernel that the nvidia driver isn't up to date with.
[03:04] <RAOF> milosz: It can't _hurt_ to report it.
[03:04] <milosz> i guess it can't except increase the workload for the team
[03:04] <RAOF> Worst case: no one checks nvidia-glx-* bugs.
[03:05] <RAOF> Best case: nvidia check nvidia-glx-* bugs!
[03:05] <RAOF> You're welcome to report it upstream to nvidia, though.
[03:05] <bsnider> nvidia obviously has devs working on their linux driver
[03:05] <bsnider> so it will be dealt with
[03:05] <milosz> hmm i need to get into where to report that at nvidia
[03:05] <RAOF> milosz: They've got a forum (uuurgh).
[03:05] <bsnider> hold on a sec
[03:06] <milosz> yeah that infamous forum
[03:06] <RAOF> That's where you report bugs.
[03:06] <milosz> damn that's unorganized
[03:06] <RAOF> Yes.
[03:06] <bsnider> http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?s=96251eeaf782bd11f10d15b7ead3c669&f=14
[03:06] <bsnider> report it there
[03:06] <bsnider> start a new thread
[03:20] <milosz> ok i've posted it
[03:22] <cyphase> anyone know anything about the likelihood of liveusb being included on the 8.10 cd?
[03:23] <burner> you mean usb-creator?
[03:27] <bsnider> pulse 9.12 can't start anymore. alsa sound still works though
[03:30] <killux> hey guys, is ibex up from download yet
[03:32] <genii> Any word on official release date?
[03:33] <milosz> lol you guys are good
[03:34] <milosz> it's at the very least 3 weeks from any possible official release
[03:35] <killux> is it very buggy, im downloading it right now
[03:36] <milosz> if you don't want to meet anything unexpected, then don't use it
[03:37] <literal> genii: yes, I believe it was announced long ago
[03:37] <literal> October 30th
[03:37] <genii> literal: Interesting. Devils Night
[03:37] <milosz> hey
[03:38] <milosz> bsnider, i've found the reason for the nvidia problem
[03:38] <milosz> i don't know the details but the problem was, i had no permissions to access /dev/nvidia0 and /dev/nvidiactl
[03:38] <milosz> the driver used something it called "indirect rendering" but that really couldn't have been indirect rendering in the usual sense, as it was still very fast
[03:38] <genii> milosz: Probably not in plugdev group
[03:39] <milosz> well i didn't change anything with my user since i've upgraded to Intrepid
[03:39] <milosz> genii, i guess that's new in Intrepid then (?)
[03:39] <milosz> no i know plugdev existed before
[03:39] <milosz> hmm
[03:40] <genii> milosz: Not sure. Just a lot of devices there won't work properly for some users created subsequent to original user unless added to plugdev group
[03:40] <genii> Scanners particularly, for me
[03:40] <milosz> yes i'm not in plugdev that's true
[03:41] <milosz> it must be some kind of distro bug, either the requirement to be in plugdev is new or, well don't know
[03:43] <RAOF> milosz: "Indirect rendering" doesn't imply no 3d acceleration, just as 'direct rendering' doesn't imply 3d acceleration.
[03:43] <milosz> ok
[03:43] <milosz> i'm not very good with that terminology
[03:44] <RAOF> Yeah, not many people are.
[03:44] <killux> what kernel is ibex using?
[03:44] <killux> 2.6.25?
[03:44] <RAOF> It's been a reasonable rule of thumb that "indirect rendering" == broken drivers, but that's changed.
[03:44] <milosz> i'm gonna add a note to the thread on the nvidia forums
[03:45] <RAOF> (Moreso that 'direct rendering' implied worknig drivers; mesa's swrast now gives you direct rendering in software)
[03:45] <rski> killux: 2.6.27
[03:45] <milosz> RAOF, so what does it mean then, direct rendering if not the fact that it's hardware accelerated?
[03:46] <bsnider> RAOF, i thought direct rendering meant you're banging the hardware directly, bypassing software rendering
[03:48] <bsnider> direct rendering in software? software rendering is not direct rendering
[03:49] <crdlb> bsnider: yes, apples are also not oranges
[03:51] <bsnider> software rendering like mesa provides is to me providing features that the hardware for whatever reason cannot handle
[03:53] <bsnider> i could be wrong, but that's the way i understood it
[03:54] <RAOF> bsnider, milosz: The direct/indirect-ness describes how the 3d client interacts with the underlying libGL (which then may or may not interface directly with the hardware).  Direct rendering has clients <-> libGL, indirect rendering has client <-> X <-> libGL
[03:54] <bsnider> RAOF, i understand
[03:54] <milosz> that's because X runs with root privileges?
[03:54] <bsnider> so for people using the nvidia driver, the libgl then goes directly to the card
[03:55] <milosz> i mean, indirect can still work if direct doesn't because X has root privileges
[03:55] <milosz> hm maybe i have no idea what i mean :)
[03:56] <RAOF> milosz: No, it's got nothing to do with the access rights X has.
[03:57] <RAOF> bsnider: Correct.  nvidia's libgl _is_ the 3d driver.  Mesa drivers have hooks that mesa's libgl calls, basically.
[04:05] <wbmj> Might someone be able to explain for all the daemon wrappers in sessions?
[04:07] <bsnider> RAOF, i don't think apple has full hardware acceleration. if you look at glxinfo in the console, the output is not what you'd expect.
[04:08] <bsnider> luke is already updating pulseaudio 9.12
[04:46] <gx009> rtl8180 wireless driver does not work on kubuntu
[04:48] <gx009> when i had ubuntu (gnome) it was working fine with whatever driver (if not the same) is installed with
[04:50] <gx009> same puter too
[04:52] <gx009> maybe gnome network manager is just better
[05:28] <bronson> Wow, can anybody print in Intrepid?
[05:30] <bronson> It just printed 15 sheets of 100% black.  And print preview doesn't work at all.
[05:30] <bronson> It appears to be totally broken.
[05:30] <bronson> Anybody else seeing this?
[05:32] <bronson> Yep, Hardy works just fine with these files.
[05:35] <milosz> i hope this doesn't repeat itself
[05:35] <milosz> i had massive problems with printing when i switched to Hardy
[05:35] <bronson> So did I.
[05:35] <milosz> and it's a totally default PostScript LaserJet printer
[05:35] <milosz> nothing speshul there
[05:36] <bronson> Right now Intrepid is even more broken...
[05:36] <milosz> let me just print a test page
[05:36] <bronson> milosz, try a print preview on a multiple-page document.
[05:37] <milosz> hmm oowriter is not installed
[05:37] <milosz> letsee if i can find a PDF
[05:38] <bronson> milosz, I can send you this one if you want.
[05:39] <milosz> 2hmm it hangs
[05:39] <milosz> bronson, ok
[05:39] <milosz> bronson, DCC or mail?
[05:39] <bronson> mail
[05:39] <milosz> ok it's internalerror@gmail.com
[05:41] <bronson> ok, it's on its way
[05:42] <bronson> I wonder if it's due to this...?  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/pdf-as-standard-print-job-format
[05:43] <milosz> total gibberish
[05:43] <milosz> it prints just random ASCII
[05:43] <milosz> god damn
[05:44] <bronson> Our printers probably just have different failure modes when they receive garbage..
[05:44] <milosz> yeah i guess
[05:44] <bronson> Mine printed 100% black.  Probably used 10% of my toner cartridge on those 15 pages.
[05:44] <milosz> i really really hate when that happens, because in my experience it takes an enormous effort to fix it
[05:45] <milosz> "    * Linux workflow gets closer to Mac OS X" heh
[05:45] <bronson> Yep. And we're pretty deep in this cycle to have something so important so utterly broken.
[05:45] <milosz> fanboys ;)
[05:45] <milosz> bronson, it looks just like shortly before 8.04
[05:45] <milosz> i don't even know where to begin looking for the problem
[05:46] <bronson> Me neither.  At least it's not obscure.  :)
[05:46] <milosz> somehow, eventually, after a lot of T&E last time i fixed it
[05:46] <bronson> I trust it'll be fixed before Intrepid ships.
[05:48] <milosz> Having participated in the resolution process of when it appeared last time i can only hope so
[05:55]  * gx009 installs debian 4.0 for entertainment purposes
[07:27] <jerald> Can someone give me an SS to what II will look like?
[09:19] <AnAnt> Hello, has anyone managed to get a "Mobile Broadband" connection working in NetworkManager?
[09:23] <jscinoz> AnAnt, using NetworkManager 0.7? it should be quite easy provided your card is recognised
[09:23] <jscinoz> should just show up as "Auto GSM Connection" in the menu on nm-applet
[09:25] <AnAnt_> jscinoz: you mean that I shouldn't add a GSM connectino ?
[09:25] <jscinoz> AnAnt, it shouldnt cause any issues if you do
[09:25] <RAOF> Urgh.  SRUs?
[09:26] <jscinoz> provided yo u enter the correct details for number (if its a UMTS/HSDPA/whatever it would be 2-3 digits) and username and password
[09:27] <AnAnt_> jscinoz: well, if cellphone is connected via USB to laptop, isn't that considered as a sim card reader ?
[09:27] <AnAnt_> jscinoz: ie. /dev/ttyACM0
[09:27] <AnAnt_> Bus 002 Device 003: ID 0421:043a Nokia Mobile Phones N70 USB Phone Parent
[09:28] <jscinoz> AnAnt, i'm not sure, i have a dedicated HSDPA card, which makes /dev/ttyUSB0
[09:28] <jscinoz> when you click on nm-applet there is no "Auto  GSM Connection" or similar?
[09:28] <AnAnt_> jscinoz: nope
[09:28] <jscinoz> and the phone itself is set up correctly?
[09:29] <jscinoz> sometiems there is a setting on the phone that has to be changed.
[09:29] <AnAnt_> jscinoz: should the card be in the laptop during boot ?
[09:29] <AnAnt_> jscinoz: dunno what you mean by setup correctly, but I can connect using wvdial
[09:29] <jscinoz> AnAnt, is this a card or a dedicated phone?
[09:29] <AnAnt_> jscinoz: a phone
[09:29] <AnAnt_> jscinoz: I connect the phone using USB cable
[09:30] <jscinoz> sometime, on the actual phone i think its under connectivity options on a series 60 symbian, there is something that has to be turned on to allow it to be used as a modem
[09:30] <jscinoz> im not sure though as i dont have a phone like that
[09:36] <AnAnt_> jscinoz: then how can you connect ? does it appear in NetworkManager's dropdown menu ?
[09:38] <jscinoz> I'm not sure
[09:38] <jscinoz> the way the process is for me is as follows:
[09:39] <jscinoz> plug in card, click nm-applet, click "Auto GSM Connection", enter password in box that comes up (in this case its blank, as my network authenticates by SIM alone), and its connected.
[09:39] <jscinoz> sorry i couldnt be of more help
[09:39] <nekostar> so
[09:39] <nekostar> how useable is intrepid?
[09:39] <nekostar> what are the typical bugs at this point?
[09:41] <RAOF> nekostar: Well, it seems we broke 3d for a lot of people when the nvidia driver got accidentally installed.
[09:41] <nekostar> lol
[09:41] <nekostar> i hear direct render with nv driver in intrepid coming?
[09:41] <nekostar> compiz, etc anyhow?
[09:41] <RAOF> You get direct rendiring with the nv driver right now, but that's not what you think.
[09:42] <nekostar> yeah
[09:42] <RAOF> nv doesn't do 3d, and (I believe) never will.
[09:42] <nekostar> but that's usually what i test for
[09:42] <nekostar> hm
[09:42] <nekostar> it _is_ nv for nvidia cards+compiz?
[09:42] <nekostar> [opensauce]?
[09:42] <RAOF> Right.  glxinfo | grep direct always been wrong, but is now un-usefully wrong :)
[09:42] <nekostar> perfect~!
[09:43] <nekostar> finally the paradigm has been stretched too far, and we might actually have to call a rose by its ACTUAL name
[09:43] <nekostar> about time...
[09:43] <nekostar> <.<
[09:43] <RAOF> As in, glxinfo | grep direct will _always_ return true, no matter whether or not you've got 3d acceleration. (simplification)
[09:43] <nekostar> ya
[09:44] <RAOF> Anyway, you don't get Compiz with any open source nvidia driver.
[09:44] <nekostar> hm
[09:44] <nekostar> i heard differently
[09:44] <RAOF> You don't get (supported) 3D with any open source nvidia driver :)
[09:44] <nekostar> perhaps its further up in the toolchain
[09:45] <nekostar> no way i'm grepping through 20GB of logs
[09:45] <nekostar> lol'
[09:45] <RAOF> Soft!
[09:45] <RAOF> You may be thinking of the nouveau driver?  That's got some kinda, unsupported, incomplete 3d.
[09:45] <nekostar> hm
[09:46] <nekostar> i was rather um.. in an altered state of chatting at the time...
[09:46] <nekostar> memory's a tad hazy
[09:52] <jscinoz> RAOF, speaking of OSS drivers... i hear RadeonHD is awesome right now
[09:52] <jscinoz> true?
[09:53] <jscinoz> nevermind afk :P
[09:54] <RAOF> jscinoz: radeonhd?  Dunno.  I thought radeon was pretty much better :)
[10:12] <AnAnt> Hello, is there a logfile for Network Manager ?
[10:13] <AnAnt> jscinoz: I managed to get N70 phone working (had to add some entry in /usr/share/hal/fdi/information/10freedesktop/10-modem.fdi
[10:16] <fargiolas> AnAnt: can I ask how to add support for a generic phone through hal? is there some tutorial out there?
[10:16] <AnAnt> fargiolas: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/257045 helped me
[10:16] <fargiolas> AnAnt: should it work with bluetooth too?
[10:17] <AnAnt> fargiolas: NetworkManager 0.7 still doesn't support bluetooh AFAIK
[10:18] <fargiolas> AnAnt: if it supports serial devices it should be able to use bluetooth too through rfcomm
[10:19] <AnAnt> fargiolas: I think there's another issue
[10:19] <AnAnt> fargiolas: it has to do with auto-detecting connected hardware
[10:20] <AnAnt> fargiolas: so bluetooth is not a hardware connection to be detected, know what I mean ? but it is being worked on for 0.7.1 I think
[10:24] <Trewas> support in 10-modem.fmi for nokia phones has been done quite stupidly so far, _every_ model has to be added separately so most of them will never work
[10:26] <AnAnt> Trewas: indeed
[10:26] <fargiolas> AnAnt: I think it's this approach is a bit insane.. almost every gsm modem works through a serial device.. there should be no need to have custom hal files or autodetection.. just a textbox where to put the device name would be enough..
[10:26]  * fargiolas looks for the usb cable..
[10:26] <AnAnt> fargiolas: http://osdir.com/ml/network.networkmanager.devel/2005-04/msg00084.html
[10:29] <jscinoz> AnAnt, ah ok cool
[10:29] <fargiolas> AnAnt: thanks
[10:29] <AnAnt> Yet I cannot get any connection working with my phone, is there a logfile for Network Manager ?
[10:33] <Trewas> at least here its logs are going into /var/log/syslog and /var/log/daemon.log
[10:33] <AnAnt> jscinoz: the first time you used that sim card reader, how did you configure the connection ?
[10:33] <jscinoz> AnAnt, nothing different from what i said above
[10:33] <jscinoz> interestingly enough it also shows up as a read-only mass storage device
[10:34] <jscinoz> which contains the windows drivers for it so its not of much use :P, but the connectivity is very easy, just plug it in, and click "Auto GSM Connection" in nm-applet
[10:35] <AnAnt> oh, silly me !
[10:35] <AnAnt> 3G isn't working now , that's why connection fails
[10:36] <AnAnt> network problem :)
[10:36] <AnAnt> Trewas: thanks
[10:37] <AnAnt> anyone got a laptop with built in sim card reader ?
[10:37] <jscinoz> i do
[10:37] <jscinoz> xps m1330 :P
[10:37] <AnAnt> I got a Fujitsu Siemens ESPRIMO lappy, it got a card read (ttyS0), yet I cannot use it !
[10:37] <jscinoz> the above info was referring to my eeepc + huawei card though
[10:37] <jscinoz> never tried on this laptop :P
[10:45] <AnAnt> ok
[10:51] <fargiolas> AnAnt: thank you my phone now works with usb cable and networkmanager
[12:31] <AnAnt> fargiolas: np
[12:32] <fargiolas> AnAnt: should I add my hal info to that bug (adds support for nokia 6021)
[12:32] <fargiolas> ?
[13:39] <thefish> anyone here who maintains the .jigdo files for 8.10? im trying to get kubuntu 810 from jigdo and the .jigdo references files that do not exist on any mirror
[14:03] <Gregori> hi all, i have problem with latest kernel in intrepid (2.6.27-2) it looks like modprobe dies trying to load firmware to my usb modem
[14:04] <Gregori> and my system ends in read only mode
[14:04] <Gregori> where should i submit logs, etc. or ask for help?
[14:08] <SwedeMike> !bug
[14:09] <Gregori> thank you
[14:51] <CarlF1> is nvidia-177 the most receint?
[14:51] <Gregori> 177.70
[14:51] <CarlF1> oh right.  thanks
[14:51] <CarlF1> I have nvidia-glx-177_177.70-0ubuntu1_i386.deb  - what's the apt-get package name ?
[14:52] <Gregori> umm
[14:52] <Gregori> mine is installled manualy
[14:53] <BUGabundo_work> nvidia-graphics-drivers-177 CarlF1
[14:53] <BUGabundo_work> but the proper way should be using jokey
[14:54] <Gregori> jockey is buggy...
[14:54] <CarlF1> well, right now I have no X
[14:54] <CarlF1> nv doesn't work with my nv
[14:54] <BUGabundo_work> especially on 2.6.27.2
[14:54] <BUGabundo_work> 2.6.27.1 still works
[14:55] <BUGabundo_work> on .2 I need to use OpenSource driver or i'l get 800x600
[14:55] <CarlF1> E: Couldn't find package nvidia-graphics-drivers-177
[14:56] <BUGabundo_work> envyng-gtk ?!? then
[14:57] <Gregori> its called nvidia-glx-177
[14:57] <Gregori> in apt packages
[14:57] <Gregori> driver
[14:59] <CarlF1> Gregori: thanks
[14:59] <Gregori> np
[15:19] <C10uD> hello there
[15:20] <C10uD> i would like to talk about an issue i'm getting with radeon/radeonhd open drivers in intrepid
[15:21] <C10uD> basically when i start an application, i get black screen, and from the xorg log seems the driver probes everytime for active monitor or whatever
[15:21] <C10uD> my configuration is ati x1600 agp with single output on vga
[15:21] <C10uD> i talked about this in #radeon channel but they didn't know too much it seems, anyone experiencing the same in here?
[15:27] <thebishop> will Pulse Audio be more robust in Intrepid?
[15:29] <tretle> thebishop - not really
[15:29] <thebishop> awesome
[15:29] <bronson> tretle, why you say that?
[15:29] <bronson> PA in Intrepid has a LOT of fixes.
[15:29] <tretle> the gnome-volume-applet still doesnt support it properly though it was discussed heavily at guadec
[15:30] <bronson> That's true.  You need to run padevchooser to do much with PA.
[15:30] <bronson> padevchooser ain't so easy to use.  Not a happy state of affairs.
[15:30] <bronson> But it's better than the ultimate suckage in Hardy.
[15:30] <tretle> bronson - pulse audio will continue to suck until the controls are more sane and it detects your speakers automatically...... sticking people with 2.1 sound when they have 5.1 or 7.1 and having no graphical way to set up all of them like alsa sucks
[15:31] <tretle> I love pulse audio but I dont think its ready
[15:31] <tretle> when it is though it will rock
[15:32] <thebishop> i'm still not really sure what makes it preferable except that you can control volume for individual apps
[15:32] <thebishop> i record music using a USB interface and i'm fighting with jack and pulse all the time
[15:37] <tretle_> you can also control the streams of individual apps, in the future you can set up equalizer settings for individual apps.. If you have a 7.1 system you could put 1 speaker into each room and set up an app to track the distance from your bluetooth/wifi device and have the music follow you.
[15:37] <thebishop> that's clever
[15:38] <bronson> I actually use Pulse now.
[15:38] <bronson> I love being able to send only Amarok to my headphones yet leave all other sounds coming through the speakers.
[15:38] <bronson> Much more roommate-friendliy.
[15:39] <bronson> If/when it supports bluetooth headsets, that will really rock.
[15:39] <Gregori> wow, thats nice
[15:39] <thebishop> that would be cool except my laptop sound is really odd
[15:39] <bronson> But, like Tracker, it might be in a state of perpetual half-finishedness.
[15:39] <thebishop> like plugging in headphones doesn't always mute the speakers
[15:40] <thebishop> and pressing the Mute media button twice often unmutes the speakers even if headphones are plugged in
[15:40] <thebishop> it's very annoying
[15:40] <thebishop> i don't know if it is Pulse or the driver
[15:47] <DrHalan> did the keyboard layout break in upstream gnome?
[15:48] <DrHalan> ah okay
[15:48] <DrHalan> its only if the applet language applet is shown in the panel
[15:58] <donspaulding> hi all, just updated to intrepid and I noticed that the kernel version is 2.6.27-2-generic, and virtualbox-ose-modules doesn't have a version for .27, did I just upgrade after a recent rev of the kernel, or is this a bug?
[16:13] <cbr> hello, pm-hibernate fails for me
[16:13] <cbr> pm-suspend works though
[16:14] <cbr> but with hibernate it just wont resume on boot
[16:14] <cbr> it continues with the regular boot
[16:14] <cbr> i dont have uswsusp installed
[16:32] <bsnider> RAOF, pulse's volume control now has a permanent "system sounds" slider, and a volume meter
[16:42] <askand> Anyone knows if openoffice 3 is faster to open then the earlier versios?
[16:42] <Gregori> yes it s
[16:42] <Gregori> is
[16:42] <Gregori> disabling java also helps
[16:42] <Gregori> as always
[16:43] <askand> Gregori: ok thanks
[16:53] <mazzen> hi! i'm a little bit confused. what is the *right (working)* driver for an ati mobility radeon 9700? "ati" or "radeon"? both do not working for me, so i have to use vesa. and vesa does not fit my resolution :-/
[16:54] <crd1b> mazzen: those are both the same driver
[16:54] <nemo> mazzen: why not use fglrx?
[16:54] <crd1b> mazzen: how exactly does it fail?
[16:54] <mazzen> hehe, that tricky :-)
[16:54] <mazzen> fglrx?
[16:54] <nemo> the "official" blob driver
[16:54] <crd1b> doesn't work in intrepid
[16:54] <nemo> that taints your kernel with evil closed source nastiness
[16:54] <nemo> crd1b: really!
[16:55] <nemo> crd1b: no one has ported the wrapper?
[16:55] <nemo> crd1b: what kernel version is intrepid on?
[16:55] <crd1b> the problem is the driver itself
[16:55] <nemo> (I'm mostly hanging out in here to get a feel)
[16:55] <mazzen> 2.6.27
[16:55] <mazzen> and -afaik - fglrx does not support this kernel/xserver, right?
[16:55] <nemo> crd1b: hm.  I'm using fglrx at home with a fairly recent kernel and version of Xorg under gentoo
[16:55] <crd1b> it needs an update for xserver 1.5
[16:55] <nemo> I miiight not be on 1.5 though :)
[16:56]  * nemo checks
[17:00] <mazzen> hm... what  a little bit strange is: during the last unstable version i updated from stable (7.10) to 8.04 alpha6. everythink worked proper, but after the first update, i got a black screen when gdm started. i tried different confs and finally it worked with fglrx and turnd off fglrx option.
[17:01] <mazzen> unfortunately it seems that in 8.10 the ati problems are still there :(
[17:01] <`Matir> with the proprietary driver?
[17:02] <mazzen> the proprietary driver does currently not work with 8.10 - afaik.
[17:02] <mazzen> or better: it does not work with the current xserver
[17:04] <crd1b> mazzen: what doesn't work about the radeon driver?
[17:07] <mazzen> crd1b: my problem is: the driver behaves much more than curious. when gdm starts, i get sometimes just a black screen.  (i can hear the ubuntu drums)
[17:08] <mazzen> then i switched off my tv-output. since then i can see the login, but only for a second.
[17:08] <mazzen> then the cursor disappears and the screen freezes.
[17:08] <mazzen> and in the log files are no errors (EE) :-/
[17:10] <mazzen> i read, that a xorg.conf is not necessary any more. and so i moved the file to a backup folder and rebooted. the same result: gdm appears, but freeze.
[17:30] <nemo> mazzen: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=236871#c8
[17:30] <nemo> mazzen: that could be why fglrx works on my home gentoo box - I might still be on the old driver
[17:30] <nemo> mazzen: as that comment discusses
[17:30] <nemo> unfortunately said gentoo box is not available to me at present
[17:31] <mazzen> nemo: thanks!
[17:32] <crd1b> nemo: no, there were massive changes to the driver interface
[17:32] <mazzen> but i have to admit, that i  hope for proper working *free* ati/radeon drivers. ;-)
[17:32] <crd1b> the only way you'd have fglrx working is by using xserver 1.4
[17:33] <mazzen> for now,  i really do not know what to do :-/
[17:38] <milosz> hello, i've got a problem with my keyboard
[17:39] <milosz> it acts as if the windows key was constantly pressed
[17:39] <milosz> i've already replaced the keyboard itself
[17:39] <milosz> i got another one and the problem persists
[17:40] <milosz> anyone had something similar?
[17:40] <milosz> `
[17:42] <nemo> crd1b: dunno. I'm just quoting a comment there.
[17:42] <nemo> crd1b: I can certainly believe that.
[17:42] <nemo> but fact is, my setup at home seems to work - it could be, perhaps, because I'm still on 1.4.x
[17:42] <nemo> and the comment I was referencing could be wrong
[17:43] <nemo> crd1b, mazzen -  I should have read further. comment #10 corrects comment #8
[17:44] <mazzen> huh? "the open driver still works as good/bad as it did." ?
[17:44] <bsnider_> milosz, if you aren't having keyboard problems with intrepid, there's something wrong with you
[17:44] <nemo> mazzen: yeah. comment #8 must have thought he was talking about fglrx :-/
[17:44] <nemo> heh. the official ati site references X "7.3"
[17:46] <mazzen> hm... nemo, no i'm confused. do the opensource driver work with the current xserver in the current alpha version?
[17:46] <nemo> mazzen: that part seems true. sure. but was that ever in question?
[17:46] <mazzen> yes!
[17:47] <mazzen> currently i have to use the vesa driver
[17:47] <mazzen> as whenever i try to use "radeon" or "ati", wich is the same, as a even learned the screen freeze, as soon as gdm is loaded
[17:48] <nemo> mazzen: anything interesting in your Xorg log?
[17:48] <mazzen> no EE's  :-/
[17:49] <mazzen> hm... is it possible to get a very basic and simple xorg.conf?
[17:49] <mazzen>  i would like to add the "radeon" driver and try it again.
[17:50] <nemo> mazzen: why not just regenerate the xorg.conf ?
[17:50] <nemo> I mean, you could have one of mine from, oh, 7.10 I guess, but...
[17:51] <mazzen> nemo: this leads to http://pastebin.com/m1c2683bd
[17:51] <mazzen> which seems to be very, very, very basic, or ? ;-)
[17:52] <nemo> that's awesome :)
[17:52] <nemo> is that what dpkg-reconfigure generated??
[17:52] <mazzen> yes :)
[17:52] <nemo> wow.
[17:52] <nemo> I'm out of touch.
[17:52] <nemo> mazzen: maybe you should be asking in the xorg channel?
[17:53] <nemo> I mean, I could give you one of mine, but I have no clue now if it'd work. it might be I didn't actually switch to 1.5 at home yet
[17:55] <mazzen> i could and i gues (fear) i will. but i fear, that ati related question are much less welcome in the xorg channel than in an ubuntu one. ati and linux is and i fear will be a very annoying topic :-/
[17:55] <C10uD> mazzen, you could try http://pastebin.com/m3a1fd9e4
[17:55] <C10uD> this is for agp on vga out
[17:55] <mazzen> but so far, thanks for you ideas and kindness, nemo and crd1b
[17:55] <mazzen> thanks C10uD
[17:56] <mazzen> i'll try it directly after i try the extrem basic xorg.conf with the radeon driver.
[17:57] <C10uD> well options in device section should be good for everyone
[17:57] <C10uD> they boost performance :P
[17:58] <mazzen> C10uD: i'm happy for native resolution
[17:58] <mazzen> :)
[17:58] <mazzen> i'll reboot
[17:58] <mazzen> bye
[17:58] <C10uD> :p
[18:00] <ded0> any new usb devices plugged in arent useable, even the hub has no light. running devices are not affected
[18:04] <wd4lko> anybody have compiz working with intel 845g ?
[18:05] <wd4lko> compiz kills xserver !
[18:08] <ded0> is there something else that could get my usb back to work except restarting udev?
[18:08] <nemo> wd4lko: I'm using compiz on 7.10 with an intel card, FWIW
[18:09] <nemo> I shouldn't be commenting in here until I get around to install the ibex :)
[18:09] <wd4lko> nemo: yea i have it working on hardy but not ibex !
[18:10] <wd4lko> im going nuts trin stuff.
[18:12] <wd4lko> its probably a restricted module or something missing
[18:13] <wd4lko> it works fine with nvidia on my other computer
[18:13] <wd4lko> intel sucks  !
[18:14] <nemo> wd4lko: intel has a native driver I thought
[18:14] <a4xl> Hi. I'm currently on Intrepid, but I can't get maximum resolution on my Aspire 7520 with an Nvidia GeForce 7000M. The maximum resolution is 1440x900, but after installing all versions of the Nvidia driver, using both the Restricted Drivers Panel and Envyng, xserver starts in low graphics mode. Is this a known problem?
[18:14] <nemo> wd4lko: well. I can offer guesses if you link to your xorg log - there might be stuff of interest in there
[18:15] <Dave2> a4xl: at the moment I'm using the nv driver until it's stabilized.
[18:16] <a4xl> Ok - I'll give that a try. Thanks for your help. :)
[18:20] <bsnider_> if you're starting in low graphics mode you don't really have the nvidia driver installed
[18:54] <Fujisan> Intrepid Ibex where can i download it??
[18:56] <JontheEchidna> Fujisan: Kubuntu or Ubuntu?
[18:56] <Fujisan> Which is better?
[18:56] <JontheEchidna> depends on who you ask :P
[18:57] <JontheEchidna> Anyway, here for Kubuntu: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/intrepid/alpha-5/
[19:03] <milosz> hello
[19:03] <milosz> i'm sorry to ask again but i still have this keyboard problem
[19:03] <milosz> 'd' on GNOME acts as if the super key was pressed all the time
[19:03] <milosz> i can inverse it by actually pressing Super
[19:03] <milosz> cusor up acts as if i pressed Print-Screen
[19:04] <milosz> sorry for the clunky typing and wording but it's a little tedious to having to continously press Super to write a 'd' :P
[19:04] <milosz> it started since i've upgraded to Intrepid
[19:05] <milosz> ok i see there is an xkb-data update
[19:06] <bsnider_> everybody's having keyboard problems with intrepid
[19:08] <LSD|Ninja> I wasn't, last I checked :P
[19:08] <milosz> i coincidentally also bought a new keyboard
[19:08] <milosz> and i thought that's the reason of failure so i returned it just to find that the problem persists
[19:08] <milosz> pretty annoying x_x
[19:08] <Fujisan> i downloaded it and loaded with daemon tools it wont launch :(
[19:08] <Fujisan> it says invalid cd detected
[19:08] <milosz> launch?
[19:08] <Fujisan> yeah
[19:09] <milosz> Fujisan, it's a boot DVD
[19:09] <Fujisan> i wanted to install it via wubi
[19:09] <milosz> ah ok
[19:09] <Fujisan> i know
[19:09] <Fujisan> why isnt it working?
[19:12] <milosz> insufficient data to process query
[19:12] <milosz> ok let's see if this new xkb-data helps
[19:28] <DanaG> argh, my gnome panel keeps freezing on load.
[20:20] <milosz> well my keyboard is fixed
[20:20] <milosz> most displeasing occurence
[20:39] <Daviey> Is it just me or doest fast-user-switc chew resources?
[20:41] <bsnider_> it's amazing to me that we haven't had any kernel updates in 2 weeks
[21:15] <slimz> anyone else getting this while browsing to a network share? ;
[21:15] <slimz> Error: DBus error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.InvalidArgs: Mountpoint Already registered
[21:15] <slimz> Please select another viewer and try again.
[21:15] <slimz> it works fine in gnome-commander
[21:27] <bsnider_> slimz, what kind of share? samba? nfs?
[21:28] <slimz> windows?
[21:28] <slimz> :)
[21:28] <slimz> im guessing samba
[21:30] <slimz> bsnider_, yeah samba
[21:31] <slimz> bsnider_, it started happening right after i upgraded from hardy
[21:31] <bsnider_> when you try to browse the samba share in gnome-commander, does it show up, or do you have to connect to the server first?
[21:32] <slimz> bsnider_, it shows up, all my windows pcs show up properly in gnome-commander, and in nautilus
[21:32] <bsnider_> in nautilus?
[21:33] <bsnider_> weird. nautilus doesn't pick up samba shares for me at all, and hasn't since hardy
[21:34] <slimz> yeah i just go to network, windows shares, etc
[21:34] <slimz> they mount, i see them in the places bar, with the eject icon
[21:34] <slimz> i just cant actually open them
[21:34] <bobesponja> hey
[21:34] <bsnider_> well my share is ocming from linux, not windows, so maybe that has something to do with it
[21:34] <bsnider_> although i haven't tried in a while
[21:35] <bobesponja> I'm using intrepid and sometime my ubuntu doesn't boot, it stop at one third or something and just freeze, is that a known issue?
[21:35] <bsnider_> yes it is
[21:35] <bobesponja> bsnider_: is there a quick fix?
[21:35] <bsnider_> there hasn't been a kernel update in weeks, and i'm sure when there is one, it will be addressed
[21:35] <m1dn1ght> Hey - is intrepid still suffering kernel panic when run in virtualbox?
[21:36] <bsnider_> i don't know
[21:36] <bobesponja> bsnider_: ok thanks, I hope the kernel update will come soon
[21:36] <slimz> bsnider_, if i type "gnomevfs-ls smb://windowsshare" in terminal, i can browse my shares also, after i put in my credentials
[21:36] <bsnider_> a new kernel was released by linus today
[21:36] <bobesponja> awesome
[21:42] <bsnider_> has everybody switched to pulseaudio 9.12?
[21:43] <bsnider_> if not, i'll have to report you to the IRS
[21:44] <slimz> bsnider_, i dont know what im using
[21:44] <bsnider_> have you got padevchooser installed?
[21:44] <bsnider_> if not, grab it
[21:45] <slimz> slimz@slimz-laptop:~$ pulseaudio --version
[21:45] <slimz> W: ltdl-bind-now.c: Failed to find original dlopen loader.
[21:45] <slimz> pulseaudio 0.9.10
[21:45] <slimz> awesome
[21:45] <bsnider_> https://launchpad.net/~themuso/+archive
[21:45] <slimz> bsnider_, whats it for?
[21:45] <bsnider_> 9.12 is glitch-free
[21:46] <slimz> man what i'd do for an invite to boxee
[21:46] <bobesponja> bsnider_: pusleaudio in not installed, is that normal for kubuntu?
[21:47] <bsnider_> yes
[21:47] <bsnider_> you use phonon
[21:47] <bsnider_> stop using kde please
[21:47] <bobesponja> bsnider_: why?
[21:48] <bsnider_> i'm just being a jerk
[21:48] <bsnider_> youc an use whatever makes you happy
[21:48] <slimz> im installing it now, my sound is all fucked up anyways i have nothing to lose, for some reason my laptop volume control buttons work but it doesnt register in the mixer, and the mixer does absolutely nothing
[21:48] <bobesponja> bsnider_: ok cool, cause I was about to remove it ;)
[21:49] <bsnider_> why do you like the k... desktop environment?
[21:49] <bobesponja> cause it rocKs ;)
[21:49] <bsnider_> slimz, maybe the mixer is set to manage the wrong device
[21:50] <slimz> i tried the other options, but nothing worked
[21:50] <slimz> at least the volume on the laptop works
[21:50] <bsnider_> also install pavucontrol
[21:50] <slimz> but they don't bring up the volume change/brightness change icon in the middle of the screen
[21:51] <slimz> :\
[21:51] <bsnider_> what kind of craptop do you have?
[21:51] <slimz> bsnider_, thinkpad t42
[21:51] <slimz> with awesome radeon 7500m graphics
[21:51] <slimz> it's very compiz friendly
[21:52] <bsnider_> i assume you mean "awesome" to be ironic
[21:52] <slimz> you know it
[21:52] <bsnider_> i can't see the point of craptops
[21:53] <slimz> it's too bad also, cause at work someone has another identical t42 but with intel onboard graphics, and compiz works flawlessly
[21:53] <bsnider_> i built this machine myself from parts i knew would work with my operating system of choice
[21:53] <slimz> meh i got it for free, im not complaining
[21:53] <bsnider_> you stole it?
[21:53] <slimz> no no theyre obsoleted at my work
[21:54] <bsnider_> i c
[21:54] <bsnider_> you'll have to reboot when  you're done
[21:55] <slimz> ahh crap
[21:55] <slimz> The following packages have been kept back:
[21:55] <slimz>   libgnomekbd-common pulseaudio pulseaudio-esound-compat
[21:55] <slimz>   pulseaudio-module-gconf pulseaudio-module-hal pulseaudio-module-x11
[21:55] <slimz>   pulseaudio-module-zeroconf
[21:55] <slimz> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 7 not upgraded.
[21:55] <slimz> oh i just need to dist-upgrade
[21:55] <bsnider_> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:56] <bsnider_> make sure you also add the new alsa packages
[21:56] <bsnider_> luke's got some alsa stuff in there
[21:56] <slimz> all 5 ?
[21:57] <bsnider_> no
[21:57] <bsnider_> just the ones that want to be installed
[21:57] <bsnider_> replacements for what was already there
[21:57] <bsnider_> should be 2 or 3
[21:58] <slimz> k
[21:58] <bsnider_> pulse uses alsa to talk to your sound chip
[21:59] <bsnider_> what kind of sound chip is it?
[21:59] <bsnider_> lspci
[22:00] <slimz> it just gave me like 2 pages of jargon
[22:01] <bsnider_> i blame linus
[22:01] <slimz> http://pastebin.com/m209e9595
[22:02] <slimz> brb rebooting
[22:10] <slimz> smb shares still don't work
[22:10] <slimz> time to try audio
[22:11] <slimz> nah still sucks
[22:11] <slimz> oh well
[22:11] <bsnider_> you have two new items in your sound&video menu
[22:11] <bsnider_> one is pavucontrol
[22:11] <bsnider_> start it up
[22:11] <bsnider_> and you can control your volume that way
[22:12] <slimz> hey this is pretty nice
[22:13] <slimz> it controls the volume, but it's weird
[22:13] <slimz> the master volume, and the volume buttons on my laptop seem to be 2 different things
[22:13] <bsnider_> they are
[22:14] <slimz> shouldnt the volume buttons on the laptop control the master volume?
[22:14] <bsnider_> pulse is controlling sound through software, the buttons are using alsa to talk directlyt o your sound chip which is by the way:
[22:14] <bsnider_> Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller
[22:14] <bsnider_> that's well supported in the kernel and through alsa
[22:14] <bsnider_> are you using wireless internet right now?
[22:14] <slimz> yeah
[22:15] <bsnider_> the one that came built in to the machine?
[22:15] <slimz> yup
[22:15] <bsnider_> you're talking to a router?
[22:15] <slimz> ya
[22:15] <bsnider_> alright, open up a terminal and do lsmod
[22:15] <bsnider_> look for two modules: mac80211 and ath5k
[22:15] <slimz> k
[22:16] <bsnider_> are they or are they not there?
[22:16] <slimz> ath5k                 107904  0
[22:16] <slimz> mac80211              217076  1 ath5k
[22:16] <bsnider_> i see
[22:17] <bsnider_> and i suppose you haven't had any hard lockups?
[22:17] <slimz> i did rebooting before
[22:17] <slimz> it hung shutting down
[22:17] <slimz> first one though
[22:17] <bsnider_> what about just using it normally, all of a sudden it locks up?
[22:17] <slimz> nothing
[22:18] <slimz> its actually running really well
[22:18] <bsnider_> are you having any problems with wireless?
[22:18] <slimz> a bit slow to connect, and reconnect after sleep
[22:18] <slimz> but that's it
[22:18] <bsnider_> how long do you run it at any given time? hours?
[22:19] <slimz> also it doesnt auto connect before login, so i can't vnc to it before i log in
[22:19] <slimz> which isn't a *huge* deal but i would need that if i ever wanted to switch my desktop to ubuntu
[22:19] <slimz> i've left it on now since i installed it, maybe a week ago
[22:19] <slimz> i installed hardy but then got bored and upgraded to intrepid
[22:19] <bsnider_> ok
[22:20] <slimz> no idea about the network shares though?
[22:20] <slimz> i should try with a new user account to see if it's a profile thing
[22:21] <bsnider_> you're using a beta version of gnome
[22:21] <bsnider_> i would certainly start there
[22:21] <slimz> k lemme try that
[22:21] <bsnider_> see if it's something they know of
[22:22] <slimz> well i googled it, and it was a huge issue which "just went away" with people upgrading from 7.10 to 8.04
[22:24] <bsnider_> samba browsing was worse for me in hardy than gutsy
[22:26] <jimmy__> it's slimz
[22:27] <jimmy__> same error
[22:27] <jimmy__> can't mount
[22:27] <vinu76jsr> I got a your login last less then 10 seconds
[22:28] <jimmy__> Could not display "smb://tranceplant/c$/".
[22:28] <jimmy__> Error: DBus error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.InvalidArgs: Mountpoint Already registered
[22:28] <jimmy__> Please select another viewer and try again.
[22:28] <danbhfive> bug 241139
[22:30] <milosz> is there anything i can do when X doesn't register scancodes from some keys pressed on my keyboard?
[22:31] <jimmy__> hey danbhfive, this seems to be when running in a VM, however i'm not running it in a VM
[22:32] <vinu76jsr> when I reboot, I got a message saying your session last less then 10 seconds , I am using ubuntu, installed Tomcat server after last sucessful login, and edited /etc/environment file changed ownership of webapps directory of tomcat, adn did not did much else, this is only a problem in graphical login, i can easily login in terminal without problem
[22:36]  * gx009 : it is official, ubuntu beats kubuntu in the 8.10 olympics
[22:37] <cbr> why
[22:37] <danbhfive> how
[22:39] <gx009> in my 64bit laptop kubuntu had no wifi, no sound, no video ..  that sort of thing...
[22:39] <wasabi> but they're teh same OS.
[22:39] <wasabi> Just with a different login desktop and some graphics.
[22:39] <wasabi> Which completely does not explain video.
[22:40] <gx009> yah.. that is the weirdest of things..  a fresh install of both kubuntu and ubuntu would yield a 100% different results on the same machine
[22:40] <wasabi> which is mostly why i don't believe you, at least. ;)
[22:41] <gx009> kubuntu would not have wifi connectivity claiming wlan0 was disconnected.. gnome picks up ANY network and just only asks for authentication IF any
[22:42] <csk_max> What's the current recommended way to auto-generate a working X config file? I'm running a patched up to date Intrepid, have an nvidia card. "nvidia-xconfig" doesn't create anything usable.
[22:42] <wasabi> wifi is fine, i'm sure the hardware worked the same, but the network manager applet was probably screwed up
[22:42] <wasabi> video is different. nothing to do with desktop environment.
[22:44] <gx009> on kubunt even with firefox i would not be able to play flash content without fuzzing with it.. dont even try with  konqueror
[22:44] <csk_max> I'm trying dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg now...
[22:46] <JontheEchidna> gx009: flash is the same for both ubuntu and kubuntu in regards to firefox
[22:46] <JontheEchidna> and people have been having problems with flash in ubuntu too
[22:47] <JontheEchidna> networkmanager had an api change right before alpha5 was released, so it broke knetworkmanager
[22:49] <vinu76jsr> i edite /etc/environment file could this disable login to my system, , i did this and my session lasts less then 10 seconds
[22:50] <DanaG> heh, when the login thingy at my school grabs the login page, I get this:      edge.launchpad.net:443 uses an invalid security certificate.  The certificate is only valid for <a id="cert_domain_link" title="cca-kedesh.netadm.calpoly.edu">cca-kedesh.netadm.calpoly.edu</a>   (Error code: ssl_error_bad_cert_domain)
[22:50] <DanaG> Heh, they actually set the domain name to be this: "<a id="cert_domain_link" title="cca-kedesh.netadm.calpoly.edu">cca-kedesh.netadm.calpoly.edu</a>"
[22:50] <dupondje> some messup happend with libgnomekbd-common
[22:50] <DanaG> Don't you love when people put HTML tags in weird places?
[22:50] <DanaG> =þ
[22:51] <dupondje> libgnomekbd-common got updated, but other packages needed to be upgraded also, arent upgraded
[22:52] <Irfoman> hi, I need help setting up my tv tuner under 8.10
[22:55] <gx009> gnome beats kde in the 8.10 race
[22:56] <bsnider_> Irfoman, what kind of tuner
[22:56] <wasabi> thanks for saying it again
[23:01] <Irfoman> oh, it is winfast tv2000 xp rm
[23:02] <Irfoman> i can't find good enough guide for setting up any kind of tv tuner
[23:02] <bsnider_> it may not work at all
[23:02] <bsnider_> is there a driver for it?
[23:02] <vinu76jsr> bsnider :  thanks for your help last time
[23:02] <bsnider_> did i help you?
[23:04] <vinu76jsr> ya feud shutdown or something at 1:00AM  GMT 2 or 3 days back, something called feud shutdown that you suggested, draining power off from the otherboard by removing all cables for 30 seconds,
[23:05] <bsnider_> yea flea power
[23:06] <vinu76jsr> flea power , yeah , that's the word :-[Thanks again
[23:06] <Fujisan> this FALLACILOQUENCE must stop!
[23:08] <angel1603> Good evening
[23:09] <angel1603> I am wondering what this alpha type version of ubuntu is and how stable is it
[23:16] <remu> Hey guys, I need some help, I just installed Intrepid Alpha5 yesterday and am having a problem with my audio, I have an HP dv4t, and I'm told it has the IDT HD Audio Codec
[23:16] <remu> I can hear sounds, but, they seem to be stuck in a stuttering loop
[23:17] <bsnider_> file a bug
[23:17] <remu> I'm down for doing that, but I've never filed one before, what service or program should I say is causing this problem?
[23:18] <bsnider_> your sound drivers are alsa drivers
[23:18] <remu> alrighty
[23:18] <bsnider_> say it's an alsa problem
[23:20] <remu> just to double check, I should say that the problem is in the alsa package?
[23:20] <remu> cause its asking me what package the problem is in
[23:20] <bsnider_> alsa-libs
[23:21] <remu> kk, cool, thanks for the help!
[23:21] <bsnider_> actually alsa will be fine
[23:25] <dupondje> any id why I can't 'Unlock' anything anymore ? :s
[23:28] <gx009> !apic
[23:30] <metho> i just got tossed out from #ubuntu because i asked there for xorg.conf problem
[23:31] <metho> anyway my problem is that my resolution is set to 640x480 but i would like to change it to 1074x768, how do i do that
[23:31] <metho> come on guys wake up!!
[23:40] <DanaG> Aah, IDT is what was SigmaTel previously.
[23:41] <DanaG> for that irfoman, if he (?) comes back: the Leadtek WinFast TV2000 products are likely BT848 or BT878 cards, from what I've read.
[23:46] <remu> DanaG: that directed at me by anychance?
[23:46] <tgrundl1> i have been having network issues since updating Monday night
[23:47] <tgrundl1> all local connections work, but anything to the internet through my router doesn't
[23:47] <tgrundl1> my hardy boxes have no issues so its not the router, any ideas?
[23:49] <bsnider_> which driver are you using?
[23:52] <tgrundl1> this is not wireless, its my lan card, which is 3Com Corporation 3c905 100BaseTX [Boomerang]
[23:54] <bsnider_> output of ifconfig?