[00:04] milosz: for what it's worth, virtualbox has repositories again [00:04] as of the 2.0.0 release you don't have to mess with downloading .deb files from Sun's website [00:05] a sudden outbreak of common sense allowed them to distribute via apt repositories despite the defintion of 128 bit encryption as "ammunition" [00:05] katcita: can you mount it anywhere else? [00:05] ha ok great [00:05] thanks [00:05] * milosz checks it out [00:06] katcita: it probably really wanted to mount your partition as /media/disk or something along those lines so you would be able to use it [00:07] katcita: are there any lines in /etc/fstab that refer to sda3 (probably commented because fstab prefers referring to UUIDs rather than /dev/sdXY) [00:07] katcita: as a regular user i believe you can run "mount" in a terminal to see if/where it is mounted [00:08] katcita: if it has no line in /etc/fstab you can make a line for it to tell it explicitly to mount at /home, something like: [00:09] /dev/sda3 /home ext3 relatime 0 2 [00:10] you'd need to fill in the appropriate filesystem, of course, and i don't really know what "relatime" means but it was the default chosen by ubuntu when i installed and asked it to mount my partition as /home [00:10] katcita: marco [00:10] milosz: #vbox usually has great helpers when it comes to getting virtualbox to run on just about any distribution you can imagine [00:11] ToHellWithGA: thats ok I fixed it [00:11] right on [00:11] was it automatically mounting in /media ? [00:12] no, I rerun mout /home 5 minutes later and it worked [00:12] ow [00:12] katcita: that's way wacky [00:12] hmm no packages for I.I. [00:13] anybody tried OO-3 RC1 -64 bit from their site [00:18] it's funny how many forum posts there are about network-manager [00:20] milosz: there are general packages for ubuntu are there not? [00:22] ToHellWithGA, not sure [00:23] no they're version specific [00:23] i'd think debian lenny might work [00:23] it is the most unstable debian [00:23] dunno if that would hose your ubuntu installation or not [00:23] let me try it :) [00:28] something is keeping my window decorations from being rearranged as i specified in gconf-editor's apps/metacity area [00:29] i chose close,minimize,maximize:menu yet the buttons never moved [00:29] historically the move has been instantaneous as soon as i finish editing the field [00:37] milosz: i have it running from the "lenny" version, although erstazi in #vbox recommended the "hardy" version [00:38] what about the modules anyway? [00:38] i'd go with erstazi's suggestion then, if it doesn't work, tell him after you get the lenny version to work [00:38] the modules are built at installation time [00:38] ahh [00:38] they're kernel-specific [00:38] so no worries on that front [00:38] yeah i know hence the [00:38] the question* [00:40] yeah it's cool. just run "sudo invoke-rc.d vboxdrv restart" [00:40] maybe setup rather than restart if it isn't built yet [00:42] anybody has xkb layout problem? It never worked since I upgraded to Intrepid [00:43] I have my xorg setup correct Section "InputDevice I mean [00:44] crimsun: who sets the bot aliases? it seems far from obvious that the package "kcontrol" was replaced with "systemsettings" as grepping an apt-cache search for kde control center does not return the new kde4 equivalent. some kind of '!info kcontrol intrepid is !info systemsettings' would be ace [01:31] !nvidia [01:31] For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto [01:31] * RAOF suspects that doesn't apply to Intrepid [01:31] how do I get the latest ones? [01:32] Indeed it doesn't. [01:32] ubuntu_: "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get full-uprgade" [01:33] Latest Ubuntu drivers. [01:33] nvidia drivers, I mean :S [01:34] Indeed. That'll get you the latest Ubuntu-packaged nvidia drivers. [01:34] I always used alberto milone's envy script for installing them [01:34] as it had the lates ones [01:35] Right. That is no more (because it broke stuff). [01:35] :( [01:35] There is EnvyNG, which is in the archives, and (might) has updated drivers. [01:35] yeahç [01:35] I'm unsure. Is there any reason why you need newer drivers? [01:36] kde4 [01:36] Then the latest drivers are already in Intrepid. [01:36] with nvidia kde4 sucks :( [01:36] ok [01:37] Intrepid installed! rebooting, thanx RAOF, I'll try rigth now [01:38] so is there a way to get the fglrx drivers? [01:39] eeejay: Yes; same way as always. [01:39] eeejay: On the other hand, there's no way to get a _working_ fglrx driver, because it doesn't exist. [01:39] RAOF: you and your tricky answers! [01:40] eeejay: I'm fairly sure there's still not a fglrx which works with Xserver 1.5, which is what's in Intrepid. [01:40] RAOF: dkms bombs too many arguments to function ‘smp_call_function’ [01:41] And even if it didn't, it wouldn't work. [01:41] i see [01:42] I hope my new x3100 intel graphics card latop wont have so many problems [01:43] ubuntu_: it is probably supported very well [01:44] he intrepid kde4 installer just stopped, it doesn't even tell you to reboot or congratulations, intrepid is installed! [01:45] you are supposed to press Quit? [01:45] or install again? [01:45] weird [01:47] nooooooooooooooooo buggy installer [01:50] I'm running Intrepid latest. It panics on boot when my USB scanner is plugged in! [01:50] It boots fine if it's unplugged, and it runs fine if I plug it in after boot. [01:51] I'd paste the panic output but that's a LOT of typing... Is there a better way of diagnosing this? [01:52] Didn't happen under 2.6.26 of course. [01:52] bronson: A photo of the panic output would be good. Testing that it doesn't happen on 2.6.27-1 would be good. [01:52] And these things would then go on a bug, filed against the linux package. [01:53] OK. [01:53] How do I downgrade to 2.6.27-1? apt-cache search 2.6.27-1 shows nothing. [01:53] Ah. You don't still have it installed? [01:54] Bah! [01:54] I don't think so. Let me make sure. [01:54] nope. I went a few weeks without upgrading. [01:56] Hm. Then just mention that it works on 2.6.26, then. [01:56] OK [01:57] Unless you've got a fair amount of time and want to be _really_ useful. [01:57] haha, a bisect isn't possible this week. [01:57] For some reason all my logout, shutdown buttons have changed to an older style of layout. (Got the green man top right, and the logout button is in a seperate dialog to the shutdown etc buttons) Anyway to change it back? [01:57] It would be kind of tough anyway. The crash isn't 100% of the time. It's probably ~60%. [01:58] That's pretty annoying. File the bug; maybe someone else will have time for a bisect, or can give some pointers as to where it's likely to have broken. [01:58] OK [02:22] bronson, maybe your bios is set to try usb devices on boot [02:24] bsnider, the bios does initialize the keyboard. [02:25] but the panic doesn't occur until right before X is launched... that seems rather late for it to be a bios issue. [02:25] there are all kinds of usb updates in the .27 kernel [02:49] i've got a problem with my keyboard [02:50] the keys are all mapped wrong, e.g. cursor up causes GNOME to make a screenshot [02:50] pgup/pgdown, home, pos1, insert and del don't work at all [02:52] hmm strange i've unplugged it and now it works again [02:52] seems like a problem with the hardware [02:53] alright everybody listen up [02:53] luke has just finished uploading pulseaudio 9.12 to his ppa [02:53] https://launchpad.net/~themuso/+archive [02:55] it needs to be tested if it has any chance of making it into intrepid [02:57] he was also supposed to add new versions of pavucontrol and paprefs but they're not in there yet [02:57] is VT switching from X to console deliberately disabled? [02:57] i checked with xev, the key events are allright [02:57] but i can't switch to the console [02:58] btw why is Intrepid such a grave alpha 1 month before the release? [02:58] 6 weeks from the release date [02:59] but if htey make the release date i'll eat my car [02:59] i just thought the same [03:01] they've missed release dates before [03:01] i'm ok with them missing it if htey properly integrate the kernel and pulse and the latest alsa [03:01] Once, IIRC. [03:02] and fix nvidia-glx [03:02] on hardy with 177, everything was allright [03:02] it's not borken [03:02] now on Intrepid with the included driver i get missing textures in f.e. Quake 3 [03:02] 177 works fine on Intrepid. [03:02] RAOF and i are both using it [03:02] i'm not saying it's entirely broken [03:02] i'm running GNOME right now with compiz enabled [03:02] Ah, right. That might be the case. [03:03] but it also doesn't work entirely right [03:03] missing textures would be nvidia's fault [03:03] Right. Beta driver, unfixable by us. [03:03] well i'd agree but the same driver on Hardy works fine [03:03] i know it can't possibly have anything to do with anything else but the nvidia driver [03:03] logically [03:03] And? The kernel's changed a bit since then. [03:03] but still somehow here it's broken now [03:04] the kernel and x have both changed a lot [03:04] i'm not really bitching, i'm just wondering if i should report ths [03:04] this* [03:04] There may well be a change in behaviour of the kernel that the nvidia driver isn't up to date with. [03:04] milosz: It can't _hurt_ to report it. [03:04] i guess it can't except increase the workload for the team [03:04] Worst case: no one checks nvidia-glx-* bugs. [03:05] Best case: nvidia check nvidia-glx-* bugs! [03:05] You're welcome to report it upstream to nvidia, though. [03:05] nvidia obviously has devs working on their linux driver [03:05] so it will be dealt with [03:05] hmm i need to get into where to report that at nvidia [03:05] milosz: They've got a forum (uuurgh). [03:05] hold on a sec [03:06] yeah that infamous forum [03:06] That's where you report bugs. [03:06] damn that's unorganized [03:06] Yes. [03:06] http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?s=96251eeaf782bd11f10d15b7ead3c669&f=14 [03:06] report it there [03:06] start a new thread [03:20] ok i've posted it [03:22] anyone know anything about the likelihood of liveusb being included on the 8.10 cd? [03:23] you mean usb-creator? [03:27] pulse 9.12 can't start anymore. alsa sound still works though [03:30] hey guys, is ibex up from download yet [03:32] Any word on official release date? [03:33] lol you guys are good [03:34] it's at the very least 3 weeks from any possible official release [03:35] is it very buggy, im downloading it right now [03:36] if you don't want to meet anything unexpected, then don't use it [03:37] genii: yes, I believe it was announced long ago [03:37] October 30th [03:37] literal: Interesting. Devils Night [03:37] hey [03:38] bsnider, i've found the reason for the nvidia problem [03:38] i don't know the details but the problem was, i had no permissions to access /dev/nvidia0 and /dev/nvidiactl [03:38] the driver used something it called "indirect rendering" but that really couldn't have been indirect rendering in the usual sense, as it was still very fast [03:38] milosz: Probably not in plugdev group [03:39] well i didn't change anything with my user since i've upgraded to Intrepid [03:39] genii, i guess that's new in Intrepid then (?) [03:39] no i know plugdev existed before [03:39] hmm [03:40] milosz: Not sure. Just a lot of devices there won't work properly for some users created subsequent to original user unless added to plugdev group [03:40] Scanners particularly, for me [03:40] yes i'm not in plugdev that's true [03:41] it must be some kind of distro bug, either the requirement to be in plugdev is new or, well don't know [03:43] milosz: "Indirect rendering" doesn't imply no 3d acceleration, just as 'direct rendering' doesn't imply 3d acceleration. [03:43] ok [03:43] i'm not very good with that terminology [03:44] Yeah, not many people are. [03:44] what kernel is ibex using? [03:44] 2.6.25? [03:44] It's been a reasonable rule of thumb that "indirect rendering" == broken drivers, but that's changed. [03:44] i'm gonna add a note to the thread on the nvidia forums [03:45] (Moreso that 'direct rendering' implied worknig drivers; mesa's swrast now gives you direct rendering in software) [03:45] killux: 2.6.27 [03:45] RAOF, so what does it mean then, direct rendering if not the fact that it's hardware accelerated? [03:46] RAOF, i thought direct rendering meant you're banging the hardware directly, bypassing software rendering [03:48] direct rendering in software? software rendering is not direct rendering [03:49] bsnider: yes, apples are also not oranges [03:51] software rendering like mesa provides is to me providing features that the hardware for whatever reason cannot handle [03:53] i could be wrong, but that's the way i understood it [03:54] bsnider, milosz: The direct/indirect-ness describes how the 3d client interacts with the underlying libGL (which then may or may not interface directly with the hardware). Direct rendering has clients <-> libGL, indirect rendering has client <-> X <-> libGL [03:54] RAOF, i understand [03:54] that's because X runs with root privileges? [03:54] so for people using the nvidia driver, the libgl then goes directly to the card [03:55] i mean, indirect can still work if direct doesn't because X has root privileges [03:55] hm maybe i have no idea what i mean :) [03:56] milosz: No, it's got nothing to do with the access rights X has. [03:57] bsnider: Correct. nvidia's libgl _is_ the 3d driver. Mesa drivers have hooks that mesa's libgl calls, basically. [04:05] Might someone be able to explain for all the daemon wrappers in sessions? [04:07] RAOF, i don't think apple has full hardware acceleration. if you look at glxinfo in the console, the output is not what you'd expect. [04:08] luke is already updating pulseaudio 9.12 === LSD|Ninj3 is now known as LSD|Ninja [04:46] rtl8180 wireless driver does not work on kubuntu [04:48] when i had ubuntu (gnome) it was working fine with whatever driver (if not the same) is installed with [04:50] same puter too [04:52] maybe gnome network manager is just better [05:28] Wow, can anybody print in Intrepid? [05:30] It just printed 15 sheets of 100% black. And print preview doesn't work at all. [05:30] It appears to be totally broken. [05:30] Anybody else seeing this? [05:32] Yep, Hardy works just fine with these files. [05:35] i hope this doesn't repeat itself [05:35] i had massive problems with printing when i switched to Hardy [05:35] So did I. [05:35] and it's a totally default PostScript LaserJet printer [05:35] nothing speshul there [05:36] Right now Intrepid is even more broken... [05:36] let me just print a test page [05:36] milosz, try a print preview on a multiple-page document. [05:37] hmm oowriter is not installed [05:37] letsee if i can find a PDF [05:38] milosz, I can send you this one if you want. [05:39] 2hmm it hangs [05:39] bronson, ok [05:39] bronson, DCC or mail? [05:39] mail [05:39] ok it's internalerror@gmail.com [05:41] ok, it's on its way [05:42] I wonder if it's due to this...? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/pdf-as-standard-print-job-format [05:43] total gibberish [05:43] it prints just random ASCII [05:43] god damn [05:44] Our printers probably just have different failure modes when they receive garbage.. [05:44] yeah i guess [05:44] Mine printed 100% black. Probably used 10% of my toner cartridge on those 15 pages. [05:44] i really really hate when that happens, because in my experience it takes an enormous effort to fix it [05:45] " * Linux workflow gets closer to Mac OS X" heh [05:45] Yep. And we're pretty deep in this cycle to have something so important so utterly broken. [05:45] fanboys ;) [05:45] bronson, it looks just like shortly before 8.04 [05:45] i don't even know where to begin looking for the problem [05:46] Me neither. At least it's not obscure. :) [05:46] somehow, eventually, after a lot of T&E last time i fixed it [05:46] I trust it'll be fixed before Intrepid ships. [05:48] Having participated in the resolution process of when it appeared last time i can only hope so [05:55] * gx009 installs debian 4.0 for entertainment purposes === jason is now known as Tamagotono [07:27] Can someone give me an SS to what II will look like? === jscinoz_ is now known as jscinoz === fargiolas|afk is now known as fargiolas [09:19] Hello, has anyone managed to get a "Mobile Broadband" connection working in NetworkManager? [09:23] AnAnt, using NetworkManager 0.7? it should be quite easy provided your card is recognised [09:23] should just show up as "Auto GSM Connection" in the menu on nm-applet [09:25] jscinoz: you mean that I shouldn't add a GSM connectino ? [09:25] AnAnt, it shouldnt cause any issues if you do [09:25] Urgh. SRUs? [09:26] provided yo u enter the correct details for number (if its a UMTS/HSDPA/whatever it would be 2-3 digits) and username and password [09:27] jscinoz: well, if cellphone is connected via USB to laptop, isn't that considered as a sim card reader ? [09:27] jscinoz: ie. /dev/ttyACM0 [09:27] Bus 002 Device 003: ID 0421:043a Nokia Mobile Phones N70 USB Phone Parent [09:28] AnAnt, i'm not sure, i have a dedicated HSDPA card, which makes /dev/ttyUSB0 [09:28] when you click on nm-applet there is no "Auto GSM Connection" or similar? [09:28] jscinoz: nope [09:28] and the phone itself is set up correctly? [09:29] sometiems there is a setting on the phone that has to be changed. [09:29] jscinoz: should the card be in the laptop during boot ? [09:29] jscinoz: dunno what you mean by setup correctly, but I can connect using wvdial [09:29] AnAnt, is this a card or a dedicated phone? [09:29] jscinoz: a phone [09:29] jscinoz: I connect the phone using USB cable [09:30] sometime, on the actual phone i think its under connectivity options on a series 60 symbian, there is something that has to be turned on to allow it to be used as a modem [09:30] im not sure though as i dont have a phone like that [09:36] jscinoz: then how can you connect ? does it appear in NetworkManager's dropdown menu ? [09:38] I'm not sure [09:38] the way the process is for me is as follows: [09:39] plug in card, click nm-applet, click "Auto GSM Connection", enter password in box that comes up (in this case its blank, as my network authenticates by SIM alone), and its connected. [09:39] sorry i couldnt be of more help [09:39] so [09:39] how useable is intrepid? [09:39] what are the typical bugs at this point? [09:41] nekostar: Well, it seems we broke 3d for a lot of people when the nvidia driver got accidentally installed. [09:41] lol [09:41] i hear direct render with nv driver in intrepid coming? [09:41] compiz, etc anyhow? [09:41] You get direct rendiring with the nv driver right now, but that's not what you think. [09:42] yeah [09:42] nv doesn't do 3d, and (I believe) never will. [09:42] but that's usually what i test for [09:42] hm [09:42] it _is_ nv for nvidia cards+compiz? [09:42] [opensauce]? [09:42] Right. glxinfo | grep direct always been wrong, but is now un-usefully wrong :) [09:42] perfect~! [09:43] finally the paradigm has been stretched too far, and we might actually have to call a rose by its ACTUAL name [09:43] about time... [09:43] <.< [09:43] As in, glxinfo | grep direct will _always_ return true, no matter whether or not you've got 3d acceleration. (simplification) [09:43] ya [09:44] Anyway, you don't get Compiz with any open source nvidia driver. [09:44] hm [09:44] i heard differently [09:44] You don't get (supported) 3D with any open source nvidia driver :) [09:44] perhaps its further up in the toolchain [09:45] no way i'm grepping through 20GB of logs [09:45] lol' [09:45] Soft! [09:45] You may be thinking of the nouveau driver? That's got some kinda, unsupported, incomplete 3d. [09:45] hm [09:46] i was rather um.. in an altered state of chatting at the time... [09:46] memory's a tad hazy [09:52] RAOF, speaking of OSS drivers... i hear RadeonHD is awesome right now [09:52] true? [09:53] nevermind afk :P [09:54] jscinoz: radeonhd? Dunno. I thought radeon was pretty much better :) [10:12] Hello, is there a logfile for Network Manager ? [10:13] jscinoz: I managed to get N70 phone working (had to add some entry in /usr/share/hal/fdi/information/10freedesktop/10-modem.fdi [10:16] AnAnt: can I ask how to add support for a generic phone through hal? is there some tutorial out there? [10:16] fargiolas: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/257045 helped me [10:16] Launchpad bug 257045 in hal-info "0.7 Nokia E71 via USB not detected" [Medium,Fix committed] [10:16] AnAnt: should it work with bluetooth too? [10:17] fargiolas: NetworkManager 0.7 still doesn't support bluetooh AFAIK [10:18] AnAnt: if it supports serial devices it should be able to use bluetooth too through rfcomm [10:19] fargiolas: I think there's another issue [10:19] fargiolas: it has to do with auto-detecting connected hardware [10:20] fargiolas: so bluetooth is not a hardware connection to be detected, know what I mean ? but it is being worked on for 0.7.1 I think [10:24] support in 10-modem.fmi for nokia phones has been done quite stupidly so far, _every_ model has to be added separately so most of them will never work [10:26] Trewas: indeed [10:26] AnAnt: I think it's this approach is a bit insane.. almost every gsm modem works through a serial device.. there should be no need to have custom hal files or autodetection.. just a textbox where to put the device name would be enough.. [10:26] * fargiolas looks for the usb cable.. [10:26] fargiolas: http://osdir.com/ml/network.networkmanager.devel/2005-04/msg00084.html [10:29] AnAnt, ah ok cool [10:29] AnAnt: thanks [10:29] Yet I cannot get any connection working with my phone, is there a logfile for Network Manager ? [10:33] at least here its logs are going into /var/log/syslog and /var/log/daemon.log [10:33] jscinoz: the first time you used that sim card reader, how did you configure the connection ? [10:33] AnAnt, nothing different from what i said above [10:33] interestingly enough it also shows up as a read-only mass storage device [10:34] which contains the windows drivers for it so its not of much use :P, but the connectivity is very easy, just plug it in, and click "Auto GSM Connection" in nm-applet [10:35] oh, silly me ! [10:35] 3G isn't working now , that's why connection fails [10:36] network problem :) [10:36] Trewas: thanks [10:37] anyone got a laptop with built in sim card reader ? [10:37] i do [10:37] xps m1330 :P [10:37] I got a Fujitsu Siemens ESPRIMO lappy, it got a card read (ttyS0), yet I cannot use it ! [10:37] the above info was referring to my eeepc + huawei card though [10:37] never tried on this laptop :P [10:45] ok [10:51] AnAnt: thank you my phone now works with usb cable and networkmanager === WelshDragon is now known as Guest62375 [12:31] fargiolas: np [12:32] AnAnt: should I add my hal info to that bug (adds support for nokia 6021) [12:32] ? [13:39] anyone here who maintains the .jigdo files for 8.10? im trying to get kubuntu 810 from jigdo and the .jigdo references files that do not exist on any mirror [14:03] hi all, i have problem with latest kernel in intrepid (2.6.27-2) it looks like modprobe dies trying to load firmware to my usb modem [14:04] and my system ends in read only mode [14:04] where should i submit logs, etc. or ask for help? [14:08] !bug [14:08] If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu - Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots [14:09] thank you === Dedicated is now known as dedi_away [14:51] is nvidia-177 the most receint? [14:51] 177.70 [14:51] oh right. thanks [14:51] I have nvidia-glx-177_177.70-0ubuntu1_i386.deb - what's the apt-get package name ? [14:52] umm [14:52] mine is installled manualy [14:53] nvidia-graphics-drivers-177 CarlF1 [14:53] but the proper way should be using jokey [14:54] jockey is buggy... [14:54] well, right now I have no X [14:54] nv doesn't work with my nv [14:54] especially on 2.6.27.2 [14:54] 2.6.27.1 still works [14:55] on .2 I need to use OpenSource driver or i'l get 800x600 [14:55] E: Couldn't find package nvidia-graphics-drivers-177 [14:56] envyng-gtk ?!? then [14:57] its called nvidia-glx-177 [14:57] in apt packages [14:57] driver [14:59] Gregori: thanks [14:59] np === dedi_away is now known as Dedi === Dedi is now known as dedi_away === dedi_away is now known as Dedi [15:19] hello there [15:20] i would like to talk about an issue i'm getting with radeon/radeonhd open drivers in intrepid [15:21] basically when i start an application, i get black screen, and from the xorg log seems the driver probes everytime for active monitor or whatever [15:21] my configuration is ati x1600 agp with single output on vga [15:21] i talked about this in #radeon channel but they didn't know too much it seems, anyone experiencing the same in here? [15:27] will Pulse Audio be more robust in Intrepid? [15:29] thebishop - not really [15:29] awesome [15:29] tretle, why you say that? [15:29]