| aantn | hello | 16:02 |
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| _MMA_ | thorwil: You gonna be available on Friday around 1900UTC? | 16:07 |
| thorwil | _MMA_: should be no problem | 16:17 |
| _MMA_ | Cool. That should be the meeting time. | 16:22 |
| thorwil | http://pages.usherbrooke.ca/mfesta/images/IsraelIbex1.jpg | 17:24 |
| thorwil | ^ is his right horn (his pov) broken? | 17:24 |
| thorwil | or are my geometry routines defect? | 17:24 |
| Flannel | thorwil: broken | 17:27 |
| kwwii | thorwil: hehe, broken indeed, but you barely notice it at first | 17:30 |
| thorwil | kwwii: yeah, i only really started to wonder after tracing him! :) | 17:30 |
| thorwil | now i need almost the same pose, but would like the silhouette of the head to be farther out of the body. plus 2 complete horns ... | 17:33 |
| * thorwil pencils | 17:33 | |
| psyke83 | hi | 19:21 |
| psyke83 | kwwii: you there? | 19:23 |
| kwwii | psyke83: hey man | 19:39 |
| psyke83 | kwwii: hey, I haven't checked the latest update, but will you be putting newhuman-light in community-themes? | 19:48 |
| dilomo | hello psyke83 | 19:51 |
| dilomo | may I ask you a question? | 19:51 |
| psyke83 | sure | 19:51 |
| _MMA_ | no! :) | 19:51 |
| psyke83 | you may ask a question, as long as you don't ask if you can ask questions anymore ;) | 19:52 |
| _MMA_ | !ask | 19:52 |
| ubottu | Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-) | 19:52 |
| _MMA_ | :D | 19:52 |
| dilomo | well I have an issue to | 19:52 |
| dilomo | solve with New Wave | 19:52 |
| dilomo | I want to make the menubar use light colors | 19:53 |
| dilomo | but it is not possible with the gtkrc | 19:53 |
| * thorwil hands cookies to _MMA_ and ubottu | 19:53 | |
| dilomo | because firefox uses the color from menuitems that is black in my case | 19:54 |
| dilomo | do you know how to override this? | 19:54 |
| dilomo | needles to say I hate FF for that ;) | 19:57 |
| psyke83 | dilomo: you want to change the background or text colour? | 19:57 |
| dilomo | text color | 19:58 |
| dilomo | you can get the theme here: | 19:58 |
| dilomo | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/NewWave#Download | 19:58 |
| psyke83 | give me a minute to reboot, I'm not in Ubuntu at the moment | 19:59 |
| dilomo | k | 20:01 |
| dilomo | I've found this could theme partially (bg color and pixmap) the menubar | 20:02 |
| dilomo | widget_class "MozillaGtkWidget*MenuBar" style :highest "newwave-menubar"#-mozilla" | 20:02 |
| dilomo | _MMA_: what's up with the icons man | 20:03 |
| _MMA_ | Steady puttin' the technicals in place. | 20:04 |
| psyke83 | dilomo: so I grab the RC2 package? | 20:04 |
| dilomo | psyke83: that's right | 20:04 |
| dilomo | _MMA_: cool. when you expexct to be available | 20:05 |
| dilomo | to the public | 20:05 |
| _MMA_ | dilomo: For what? Icon development? | 20:05 |
| dilomo | yeah | 20:06 |
| _MMA_ | Maybe a week or so. I'll have a official announcement hopefully soon. | 20:06 |
| dilomo | nice :) | 20:07 |
| _MMA_ | I'm just building a base. It will be up to others to do the actual icons. | 20:07 |
| dilomo | the base is very important | 20:08 |
| dilomo | because ppl would not like to lose their work so to say | 20:09 |
| psyke83 | dilomo: it seems something is messed up in the class definitions. I was working on a light version of the newhuman theme, and it doesn't have this problem (it also has light text on menubars) | 20:09 |
| psyke83 | gimme a few mins to try and sort this out | 20:09 |
| dilomo | ok | 20:10 |
| dilomo | probably I have messed up everything :) | 20:10 |
| dilomo | so I have messed it up really impressive :) | 20:23 |
| psyke83 | dilomo, this is pretty baffling :P | 20:43 |
| psyke83 | I don't understand why Firefox isn't respecting the class properly in your theme, but does in another | 20:43 |
| psyke83 | there must be a conflict that isn't obvious | 20:43 |
| dilomo | could it be in the way the matches are ordered? | 20:44 |
| dilomo | or is it that it's a pixmap engine? | 20:44 |
| dilomo | btw can you show me a theme that can do this so I can baffle too ;) | 20:45 |
| psyke83 | hmm, actually I think the problem isn't within "murrine-menubar", brb | 20:45 |
| dilomo | murrine ? you mean the problem is not in the style "function" | 20:47 |
| psyke83 | (I meant the "newhuman-menuitem" style) | 20:49 |
| psyke83 | *"newwave-menuitem" | 20:49 |
| dilomo | I've tried to use clearlooks instead of pixmap | 20:50 |
| dilomo | but the result is the same | 20:50 |
| psyke83 | dilomo: ok, found the problem. Obviously it's a bug in Firefox, but it is possible to workaround if you are willing to make some changes to the look of menus system-wide | 20:54 |
| dilomo | what changes are we talking about? | 20:55 |
| psyke83 | basically, it seems Firefox grabs the text colour from the GtkMenu class erroneously, so if you go to the "newwave-menu" section and change fg[NORMAL] to @bg_color, it will solve the issue. But, that will also affect menuitem text | 20:56 |
| psyke83 | if you change menus to use a darker background, then you can solve the issue | 20:57 |
| psyke83 | Firefox's GTK "emulation" sucks, and I don't think it'll get fixed soon - so you need to work around bugs like this for an "unusual" theme | 20:58 |
| dilomo | hmm | 20:58 |
| dilomo | I thought that I might do that in the end | 20:59 |
| dilomo | but is there a way of making the popup /context menus | 20:59 |
| dilomo | have light bg? | 20:59 |
| psyke83 | so, fg[NORMAL] has to be equal in "newwave-menubar" (for compliant apps) and "newwave-menu" (for Firefox/xulrunner apps) | 20:59 |
| psyke83 | you mean the ComboBox menus? | 21:00 |
| dilomo | yes and the one like in textbox | 21:01 |
| dilomo | copy paste and so on | 21:01 |
| dilomo | so only dropdown menus from menubars to be dark | 21:01 |
| dilomo | but all others to be light | 21:01 |
| psyke83 | well, I think Firefox probably uses the same sucky GTK emulation for GtkComboBox entries (which is used by textboxes) | 21:02 |
| dilomo | ohh I hate firefox | 21:02 |
| dilomo | why does not Ubuntu use Epiphany | 21:03 |
| dilomo | it works | 21:03 |
| _MMA_ | mmmm.... Tabs and "compact list view". 'bout time. http://mma.users.ubuntustudio.org/nautilus.png | 21:04 |
| psyke83 | _MMA_, I actually think that it sucks :). I think a dual-paned setup is far better for a filemanager (then again, maybe I was spoiled by Directory Opus when I used the Amiga all those years ago...) | 21:04 |
| _MMA_ | bah... With massive amounts of files dual-pane is a *pain* on small screens. | 21:05 |
| psyke83 | I always used a 1024x768 resolution :P. The problem is GTK's whitespace and freetype's bloated text rendering | 21:06 |
| * _MMA_ hugs his 1920x1600 screen. | 21:07 | |
| psyke83 | if you compare e.g. Windows Explorer listview, Nautilus's listview (at the smallest zoom) is 2x the size | 21:07 |
| _MMA_ | Change the font size. | 21:08 |
| _MMA_ | I have no clue why we use such big fonts. | 21:08 |
| psyke83 | already at 9pt, the smallest size that's legible | 21:08 |
| dilomo | whoaa this looks blurry | 21:08 |
| _MMA_ | Though, I set it smaller in Studio by default. :P | 21:08 |
| dilomo | after all black text on dark grey isn't that bad ;-) | 21:10 |
| dilomo | oh god why they do so stupid software | 21:10 |
| dilomo | hey _MMA_ do you have some problems with FF with that dark theme? | 21:13 |
| _MMA_ | Yes. | 21:13 |
| _MMA_ | minimal though. Just one spot. | 21:14 |
| _MMA_ | But you have already been talking to the right guy. ;) | 21:14 |
| dilomo | yes :) | 21:15 |
| dilomo | psyke83: what do you think shoild be better | 21:15 |
| dilomo | the dark text or not very usable menus? | 21:15 |
| psyke83 | dilomo: I would go with a dark menu background to workaround the Firefox bug | 21:18 |
| dilomo | well at least I can try :) | 21:19 |
| dilomo | btw how do you find the metacity theme | 21:21 |
| dilomo | there are some complains about it and I think I should redesign the buttons form the ground up | 21:21 |
| psyke83 | there must be something wrong here, as the metacity theme isn't displaying properly (it's showing the NewHuman theme with a grey palette) | 21:23 |
| psyke83 | ah it works now | 21:23 |
| psyke83 | IMHO, a dark menu background looks a lot better | 21:24 |
| psyke83 | http://connogriofa.googlepages.com/xchat.png | 21:25 |
| psyke83 | I would change the menuitem prelight image and prelight colours, but it seems a change for the better nevertheless | 21:25 |
| dilomo | It has the advantage that it will look like part of the menubar and titlebar | 21:25 |
| dilomo | but will be harder to read | 21:25 |
| dilomo | wow taht xchat looks good | 21:27 |
| dilomo | do you think that I should change the menubar prelight too? | 21:27 |
| psyke83 | well, something light (since the background is no longer light) | 21:28 |
| psyke83 | er, I meant to change the prelight text for menuitems | 21:29 |
| dilomo | no I mean the image that is used on File, Edit, View ... | 21:29 |
| psyke83 | yes, it's fine the way it is (unless you change the prelight image to something dark as well) | 21:30 |
| dilomo | I think I'll keep it | 21:30 |
| dilomo | man thanks a lot for your attempts to fix this | 21:31 |
| dilomo | now you convinced me to change the menus | 21:31 |
| psyke83 | no prob | 21:32 |
| dilomo | the color you use for menubg is 696969 right? | 21:33 |
| psyke83 | sure, but it didn't seem to change - I had to remove the whole "pixmap" subsection - so you'll need to tinker on that | 21:33 |
| dilomo | ok | 21:34 |
| dilomo | np | 21:34 |
| dilomo | btw is it possible to theme the menubar on the Panel | 21:35 |
| dilomo | differently than normal menubar | 21:35 |
| _MMA_ | You mean menubar vs. main-menu? | 21:35 |
| dilomo | yes | 21:36 |
| psyke83 | I haven't looked into it extensively, but if it does, you'd need to use a widget class override, e.g.: widget_class "*Panel*Menu*" (or something more precise) | 21:36 |
| psyke83 | I'm not sure if gnome-panel advertises the widgets like that, though | 21:37 |
| dilomo | I think it was #widget_class "*Panel*MenuBar*" style "newwave-panelbar" | 21:38 |
| dilomo | in the gtkrc | 21:38 |
| dilomo | but didn't helped | 21:38 |
| dilomo | :( | 21:38 |
| psyke83 | what about "*Panel*Menu*"? | 21:40 |
| dilomo | haven't tried it | 21:41 |
| dilomo | I make menus darker can I still theme the main menu with light bg ? | 21:41 |
| dilomo | using these matches will probabluy help | 21:41 |
| dilomo | probably* | 21:42 |
| psyke83 | I don't know if it'll work | 21:42 |
| _MMA_ | dilomo: Are you trying to give the menubar menus a different color that the rest of the app menus? | 21:43 |
| psyke83 | ok, it does work | 21:43 |
| psyke83 | you need to override the style | 21:43 |
| dilomo | how? | 21:43 |
| dilomo | it's very important for me | 21:43 |
| dilomo | is it like that "*Panel*Menu*" | 21:44 |
| psyke83 | change to: widget_class "*Panel*MenuBar*" style:highest "newwave-panelbar" | 21:44 |
| psyke83 | I tested by clearing the newwave-panelbar section and inserting bg[NORMAL] = @base_color, and it turned white | 21:45 |
| psyke83 | you need to pkill gnome-panel to see changes take effect | 21:45 |
| dilomo | that is just fantastic | 21:46 |
| _MMA_ | psyke83: We gotta do something about Studio's tooltip colors. It's all too dark. | 21:47 |
| dilomo | and I jsut fixed that overlay bug | 21:47 |
| dilomo | that bothered me for so long | 21:47 |
| dilomo | if notice the menubar bg has darker gradient | 21:47 |
| psyke83 | _MMA_, | 21:49 |
| psyke83 | remember we have to account for the gedit warning bubbles, etc | 21:49 |
| _MMA_ | gah. I hate GTK theming. | 21:50 |
| dilomo | :) | 21:50 |
| * _MMA_ goes to buy a mac. | 21:50 | |
| dilomo | btw can this yellow at the left of toolbaloons be canged | 21:51 |
| dilomo | to smth else | 21:51 |
| psyke83 | _MMA_, don't wanna make your head assplode, but your Mac would still be affected after installing UbuntuStudio on it :P | 21:51 |
| _MMA_ | I'm gonna choke you. | 21:51 |
| psyke83 | heh | 21:51 |
| _MMA_ | Or... | 21:51 |
| _MMA_ | Ill buy a PPC G5. :P | 21:51 |
| dilomo | :D | 21:52 |
| _MMA_ | No PPC Studio. ;) | 21:52 |
| psyke83 | that's nice, enjoy your obsolete OS and lack of applications, then :P | 21:52 |
| _MMA_ | w00t! | 21:52 |
| _MMA_ | Hey, I have a Color Classic that still runs like a champ. :) | 21:53 |
| psyke83 | maybe I'll go back to OS/2 to avoid this suffering as well (it's cheaper than buying new hardware :P) | 21:53 |
| _MMA_ | Isn't there still some sort of community around OS/2? | 21:54 |
| psyke83 | yeah, they're offering a bounty to get applications ported | 21:54 |
| dilomo | :) | 21:55 |
| _MMA_ | Crazy. I believe in giving up at *some* point. Hell. Even Debian dropped HURD. | 21:55 |
| dilomo | guys nice to chat with you | 21:57 |
| dilomo | I cant thank enough to psyke83 that helped me sooo much | 21:57 |
| dilomo | thank you again :) | 21:57 |
| psyke83 | sure :) | 21:57 |
| dilomo | I have to go now | 21:57 |
| dilomo | bye | 21:57 |
| psyke83 | _MMA_: which is why you'll never understand their blood sweat & tears :( | 21:57 |
| _MMA_ | pfftt... | 21:58 |
| psyke83 | bye | 21:58 |
| _MMA_ | Have ids. ;) | 21:58 |
| _MMA_ | *kids | 21:58 |
| _MMA_ | Later Conn. | 21:58 |
| _MMA_ | oh. he had to go. | 21:58 |
| psyke83 | _MMA_, I think we can add an override for gedit, btw | 21:59 |
| _MMA_ | if ya like. sure | 21:59 |
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