[00:00] <devfil> TheMuso: is a more complete patch that also remove services and adds another
[00:00] <devfil> I've prefered to upload only the bugfix patch
[00:01] <TheMuso> devfil: RIght. I must admit its hard to give a yes or no without a diff to look at somewhere...
[00:01] <Riddell> TheMuso: the diff is up
[00:02] <TheMuso> ok looking
[00:03] <TheMuso> alright ACKed in the bug.
[00:05] <devfil> good
[00:06] <devfil> Riddell, TheMuso: a member of italian community has caused me a head-cache in order to fix this :)
[00:06] <TheMuso> heh
[00:08] <devfil> TheMuso: also https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/ikiwiki/+bug/205811 needs to be reACKed?
[00:12] <Riddell> TheMuso: if you're in a motu-sru mood, bug 85266 needs an ack
[00:14] <devfil> Riddell: thanks for the upload; TheMuso: thanks for the ACK
[00:21] <TheMuso> will get to those others in a bit.
[00:54] <emet> so how can I join MOTU?
[00:54] <pochu> !motu
[00:55] <pochu> emet: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/GettingStarted
[01:07] <emet> pochu, thank you
[04:36] <NCommander> cody-somerville: well, your getting your wish of testing of the xubuntu CD on amd64 on real metal
[05:37] <mcasadevall> I freaking fail
[05:37] <mcasadevall> My backup didn't properly write, so I lost most of my files
[05:37]  * mcasadevall did at the very least have a proper backup of his SSH and GPG keys
[05:39] <NCommander> cody-somerville, I found some issues with the CD on the plus side
[05:41] <ScottK> NCommander: I got your mail.  That didn't fail.
[05:42] <NCommander> ScottK, heh, the last thing to escape my doomed system
[05:42]  * ScottK will see about uploading tomorrow.
[05:42] <NCommander> I didn't at least loose TOO much. A few class notes, but everything else is replaceable
[06:43] <nellery> what command can be used to search the contents of a folder for a specific string?
[06:43] <persia> nellery: grep -r
[06:43] <nellery> persia, thanks
[06:58] <dholbach> good morning
[07:02] <dholbach> crimsun is on fire
[07:02] <dholbach> he's been triaging ALL universe bugs, I swear
[07:05] <quadrispro> hi dholbach, I need an opinion :)
[07:06] <dholbach> quadrispro: just ask - I'm sure if you ask in here, you'll probably get more than mine :)
[07:06] <quadrispro> bug #257215
[07:08] <mdf> Hi folks, I just dput xca (xca_0.6.4-1_source.changes) and am soliciting reviewers/advocates
[07:09] <dholbach> quadrispro: I have no clue about ant, I'm sorry - not sure if I can help there
[07:09] <dholbach> Koon or doko might know how a bit more about bug 257215
[07:09] <dholbach> or the folks in #ubuntu-java
[07:10] <quadrispro> dholbach: oh thank you! and... can you take a look there? bug 268059
[07:10] <dholbach> quadrispro: now I'm back on the internet (had no connection earlier today), I'll dive into the sponsoring queue and will take a look at a couple of items
[07:11] <quadrispro> dholbach: thank you! ;)
[07:19] <dholbach> quadrispro: it will need another +1 from motu-release
[07:19] <dholbach> quadrispro: I'll subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors so we can take care of it once it was Confirmed
[07:20] <quadrispro> ok, thanks
[07:21] <dholbach> rock on!
[07:21] <quadrispro> :)
[07:47] <tuxmaniac> heya gang. good morning
[07:48] <tuxmaniac> how do I add custome repositories to the pbuilder build system
[07:48] <tuxmaniac> like we do in /etc/apt/sources/list
[07:48] <RAOF> pbulider --login --save-after-login
[07:48] <RAOF> s/--l/l/, I think.
[07:49] <RAOF> Edit /etc/apt/sources.list; exit.  Tada!
[07:49] <tuxmaniac> aah ok
[07:52] <tuxmaniac> thanks RAOF
[08:03] <stefanlsd> morning!
[08:06] <stefanlsd> When making an SRU update - do i just attach the debdiff to the bug?  The changelog should then be hardy-proposed?
[08:10] <Adri2000> stefanlsd: yes, see the wiki
[08:11] <stefanlsd> Adri2000: thanks. reading it and its not that clear on it
[08:26] <stefanlsd> yay. my first SRU
[08:27] <stefanlsd> well, i guess i'll celebrate when its approved :)
[08:27] <huats> morning everyone!
[09:01] <iulian> Good morning.
[09:04] <dholbach> hi iulian
[09:05] <stefanlsd> hihi
[09:17] <Hobbsee> whine.  why am i getting hug day mail again...
[09:18] <Hobbsee> oh, because i have a rule for hug day, not bug day.  sigh.
[09:19]  * Hobbsee fixes
[09:20] <directhex> poor Hobbsee. would a hug make it better?
[10:35] <bdrung_> which team should i subscribe when i have a debdiff for sru in universe (i am not a motu)? motu-sru or ubuntu-universe-sponsors?
[10:35] <laga> motu-sru i think
[10:35] <laga> if they ACK it, then ubuntu-universe-sponsors
[10:36] <NCommander> laga, in my experience, SRU usually uplodas the debdiff
[10:36] <laga> NCommander: even better
[10:36] <NCommander> laga, BTW, want to help me?
[10:37] <NCommander> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnat-4.2/+bug/268260 - laga
[10:37] <NCommander> Be afraid, be VERY afraid
[10:39] <laga> um, i need to go now ;))
[10:39] <laga> although that sounds interesting
[10:40] <NCommander> laga, I feel sorry for -SRU :-)
[10:40] <stefanlsd> NCommander: i'll try help you
[10:40] <NCommander> laga, I don't think anyone SRUed 11 packages in universe in a single go
[10:40] <laga> i'll add that to my motu bookmark folder.. are there still debdiffs missings?
[10:40] <laga> NCommander: SRUs are a huge PITA.
[10:40] <NCommander> laga, nope, all there
[10:40] <laga> ah, okay
[10:41] <NCommander> laga, its all properly done, i.e., versioning is right
[10:41] <laga> i thought you wanted me to make a debdiff
[10:41] <NCommander> laga, its more of a matter of uploading
[10:41] <laga> NCommander: i'm not a MOTU :(
[10:41] <NCommander> Ah
[10:41] <NCommander> See, whoever gets stuck with this bug will +1 me for MOTU
[10:41] <NCommander> or just likes too much pain
[10:41] <laga> not even UUC yet, but i'll fix that soon.
[10:41] <laga> haha
[10:41] <stefanlsd> NCommander: ok, cant help you there either
[10:42]  * laga needs to talk the motus into delegating SRU stuff for mythbuntu packages to the mythbuntu team
[10:42] <NCommander> stefanlsd, did you look at the bug? It scares little children
[10:42] <stefanlsd> NCommander: looks scary. easy changes though. are all the debdiffs now done?
[10:42] <NCommander> stefanlsd, yeah
[10:43] <NCommander> I had to dig out my Ada programming knowledge though >.>;
[10:43] <stefanlsd> NCommander: nice
[10:43] <wgrant> laga: Why?
[10:43] <NCommander> Well, not really
[10:43] <NCommander> See, I know all the really horrid things
[10:43] <NCommander> COBOL, Ada, lisp ...
[10:43] <NCommander> Guess who gets stuck with the bugs :-)
[10:44] <laga> wgrant: there's no need to impose additional bureaucracy when our main interest already is having a stable release.
[10:44] <wgrant> laga: We don't trust all MOTU to authorise SRUs, so why would non-MOTUs be entrusted with such power?
[10:45] <laga> wgrant: it would simplify the workflow. we know our packages very well and there's no need to jump through additional hurdles ;)
[10:45] <laga> wgrant: superm1 has a FFe delegation right now, a similar thing could happen for SRUs
[10:45] <wgrant> I don't see why.
[10:45] <wgrant> SRUs should be very rare.
[10:46] <laga> wgrant: SRUs are annoying. you need to find someone from motu-sru to ACK it which can take several days.
[10:46] <laga> wgrant: yes, and they should be done quickly.
[10:46] <wgrant> Then motu-sru should be improved.
[10:47] <NCommander> wgrant, well, there are cases where you also get the massive SRUs
[10:47] <laga> wgrant: nobody except for mythbuntu uses these packages. if we think we need an update, then we should get one.
[10:47] <laga> without begging to motu-sru :)
[10:48] <wgrant> That seems a very strange attitude.
[10:48] <wgrant> Releases are releases.
[10:48] <wgrant> One doesn't update releases for the sake of updating releases.
[10:48] <laga> no, not at all. it saves work for everyone
[10:48] <laga> no, one updates release for the sake of fixing bugs.
[10:49] <laga> anyways, i will be sending an email to ubuntu-motu on that matter some time after 8.10 has been released.
[10:49] <laga> we'll see what comes from that
[10:49] <wgrant> ... after?
[10:49] <laga> yes?
[10:49] <laga> it's a long-term improvement i'd like to see. right now i'm concentrating on fixing bugs so that SRUs are not needed ;)
[10:50] <wgrant> I see.
[10:53] <laga> .. and if we think we need an update, we don't think we need an update for the sake of updating a release, we think we need an update because we have *very* good reasons to do so.
[10:54] <laga> *shakes head*
[10:54] <laga> anyways, everyone is welcome to shoot down my idea once that mail is sent ;)
[12:40] <karooga> hi all.  how do I remove a lintian error "bad-ubuntu-distribution-in-changes-file intrepid"? I've check all the conf settings - can't find the problem.
[12:40] <stefanlsd> karooga: paste changes to pastebin
[12:43] <karooga> stefanlsd: http://paste.ubuntu.com/45295/
[12:44] <laga>  i assume you're on hardy or earlier
[12:44] <karooga> stefanlsd: I don't get this error when I run debuild -S for hardy.
[12:44] <karooga> laga: yup
[12:44] <stefanlsd> karooga: can u pastebin the debian/changelog file
[12:44] <laga> karooga: if your version of lintian is too old, it'll complain about that
[12:45] <karooga> http://paste.ubuntu.com/45296/
[12:46] <karooga> laga:  it's Lintian v1.23.46... standard hardy.  Shouldn't be a prob?
[12:48] <karooga> stefanlsd: I don't get any errors when I use pbuilder with intrepid base though.
[12:49] <stefanlsd> karooga: might be an older lintian version where its fixed now.  try run dpkg-genchanges manually
[12:49] <stefanlsd> karooga: see if u get that error..
[12:59] <karooga> stefanlsd: "dpkg-genchanges: failure: cannot read files list file: No such file or directory"  ?
[13:06] <stefanlsd> karooga: add -S  to it
[13:07] <karooga> http://paste.ubuntu.com/45300/
[13:08] <karooga> stefanlsd: doesn't look like there are errors
[13:11] <stefanlsd> karooga: i think its an old lintian that doesnt know intrepid yet :)
[13:12] <karooga> stefanlsd: cool.  Well, I've uploaded to revu now... will see what happens.
[13:14] <directhex> hm. the number of people using my backports repo has gnone up by about 1500 in august
[13:15] <karooga> directhex: excellent :-) which pkgs?
[13:16] <directhex> karooga: mono & related driftwood
[13:17]  * iulian looks around
[13:17] <stefanlsd> directhex: where do u see stats on ppas?
[13:17] <directhex> stefanlsd: you don't. PPAs are not signed, so i mirror&sign to a different host - one with logs
[13:17] <stefanlsd> directhex: oh ok
[13:18] <directhex> stefanlsd: i won't advise people use an unsigned repo directly. it's already a painful level of trust asking them to add my gpg key to their apt-key
[13:18] <stefanlsd> directhex: yeah. sure. although i more trust a ppa coming from LP where i can see the owner and stuff about him.
[13:19] <pyc> i wish ppas have some sort of a query api
[13:19] <pyc> much like LP api, but leaning to ppa?
[13:21] <directhex> stefanlsd: well, i point to my gpg key on keyserver.ubuntu.com
[13:28] <directhex> stefanlsd: exact numbers at the foot of http://directhex.mfgames.com/hardy.html
[13:28] <directhex> stefanlsd: looks like ~20% of users are on amd64
[13:29] <stefanlsd> directhex: thanks. intreresting!
[13:30] <karooga> what's the format for get-orig-source rule?
[13:31] <directhex> karooga: mono-basic on debian uses it, take a peek
[13:32] <karooga> directhex: you're just trying to get me to install mono aren't you ;-)
[13:33] <directhex> karooga: well, if you're on ubuntu you already have mono
[13:33] <laga> mythtv has it, too. ;)
[13:33] <directhex> karooga: but mono-basic failed to get into intrepid, so not specifically. i just know i wrote a get-orig-source rule for it
[13:53] <norsetto> huats!
[13:53] <huats> norsetto: !!!
[13:53] <norsetto> huats: have you got 5 minutes of your precious time for me?
[13:54] <huats> norsetto: always for you
[13:54]  * norsetto hopes Geraldine is not around
[13:54] <huats> norsetto: btw I was thinking that it might be interesting to have a reception meeting one day soon (a bit more than a month since the previous one)
[13:54] <huats> norsetto: nope
[13:54] <huats> I am at work :)
[14:12] <nxvl> good morning
[14:19] <BUGabundo_work> asac: ping
[14:23] <asac> BUGabundo_work: whats up?
[14:25] <BUGabundo_work> hya asac
[14:26] <BUGabundo_work> well me and a couple of friends are bashing our heads on how to configure 3G modems with nm0.7
[14:26] <BUGabundo_work> any wiki with more details?
[14:26] <BUGabundo_work> I just found out your blog, and a couple of external links
[14:26] <BUGabundo_work> readign them now
[14:27] <slytherin> geser: around?
[14:27] <asac> BUGabundo_work: what kind of 3G modem is that?
[14:27] <asac> BUGabundo_work: and what doesnt work?
[14:27] <slytherin> persia: around?
[14:28] <BUGabundo_work> it is not that it doesn't work (at least for me) asac
[14:28] <BUGabundo_work> its just that it requests to many fields of options to connect
[14:28] <BUGabundo_work> and I don't have anything more then PIN and PUK...
[14:28] <asac> BUGabundo_work: usually it requires a APN
[14:29] <BUGabundo_work> what's that?
[14:31] <BUGabundo_work> asac: got it http://www.unlocks.co.uk/gprs_settings.php#portugal
[14:32] <asac> BUGabundo_work: yeah. there will be a broadband wizard
[14:32] <asac> that will auto fill that for most providers
[14:32] <BUGabundo_work> nice... I've read about that DB... is it in some wiki ?
[14:33] <asac> BUGabundo_work: no its actually in intrepid
[14:33] <asac> BUGabundo_work: but isnt integrated in applet yet
[14:33] <BUGabundo_work> asac I know that some phone manufacters have that data already published like nokia and sonyericson
[14:34] <BUGabundo_work> so we can keep data uptodate
[14:35] <BUGabundo_work> I've added your ppa to my sources.list.d/ and I'll check back with updates, plus those WiFi timeouts bugs
[14:35] <BUGabundo_work> I've merged two bugs (the wpa and open wifi timeout)... not sure if you rather work on them as 2 or as dupe!
[14:36] <BUGabundo_work> #263963 and #260656
[14:37] <zul> can someone from the motu-sru team unsubscribe the team from #265058? Thanks
[14:39] <BUGabundo_work> asac: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkManager/Hardware/3G has the APN I was talking about. ill see if it is updated
[14:53] <asac> BUGabundo_work: ok
[14:54] <asac> BUGabundo_work: i uploaded a new snapshot yesterday to PPA
[14:54] <BUGabundo_work> asac: I'll also request extra testing on hardy and intrepid on ubuntu-pt ml
[14:54] <asac> BUGabundo_work: give that a try maybe
[14:54] <BUGabundo_work> just did an apt-get upgrade
[14:55] <bddebian> Heya gang
[15:00] <siretart> does the ubuntu live cd autoload the kernel module dm_mod?
[15:05] <zul> cody-somerville: ping
[15:05] <cody-somerville> zul, pong
[15:05] <zul> cody-somerville: can you unsuscribe the motu-sru team from #265058 please?
[15:06] <cody-somerville> lp #265058
[15:06] <zul> thats the one
[15:12] <stefanlsd> zul: can I ask howcome?
[15:12] <zul> stefanlsd: because its apart of main
[15:13] <stefanlsd> zul: aah. bleh. yeah. sorry. that was me. subscribed the wrong one.
[15:13] <zul> stefanlsd: yeah I fixed it check your mail :)
[15:14] <stefanlsd> zul: thanks!  what did you change in the debdiff?
[15:15] <zul> stefanlsd: just how the lp bug id was done
[15:15] <stefanlsd> zul: k, thanks. I will have a look at it for next time.  (was my first SRU)
[15:16] <zul> stefanlsd: cool next time check the wiki to see how the process is done
[15:17] <stefanlsd> zul: was reading the wiki - maybe some stuff isnt that clear
[15:29] <slytherin> geser: persia: can anyone of you please ack bug #﻿265058?
[15:41] <geser> slytherin: are you sure the bug number is correct?
[15:41] <slytherin> geser: I guess not, bug #268538
[15:44] <geser> slytherin: ACKed
[15:44] <slytherin> geser: thanks
[15:47] <geser> slytherin: if you have some time: can you check we can get javassist moved to universe? this would allow aspectwerkz2 to get moved also
[15:48] <geser> as the last debian changelog mentions the move to Debian main and the use of openjdk-6 it might need a FFe
[15:49] <slytherin> geser: I will check in an hour or two. I already have a list of packages that will need FFE for move to universe. The list is at home though.
[15:52] <slytherin> geser: Subscribe yourself to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JavaTeam/MoveToUniverse I keep that page fairly updated.
[15:52] <slytherin> geser: any chance you can take a look again at libmatthew-java FTBFS?
[15:55] <geser> slytherin: re libmatthew-java: I don't know any further there, you probably need upstream to fix it or someone familiar with jni
[15:56] <slytherin> geser: Wait the problem doesn't seem to be JNI related this time. It is with wrong -source option to javac command. I will try a build sometime today.
[15:57] <geser> slytherin: so it different from bug 239765?
[15:59] <slytherin> geser: At least latest build log does not show any signs of jni failure
[15:59] <slytherin> geser: time to go home. See you later.
[16:00] <nxvl> norsetto: around?
[16:00] <norsetto> nxvl: yessir!
[16:01] <nxvl> norsetto: just saw your e-mail, is there any reason why you are steping out of the lead of the mentoring program or just to focus on something else and will be aroung still?
[16:02] <norsetto> nxvl: mainly, because its time old farts like me gives way to new blood
[16:03] <nxvl> sounds like a good point, but we will still miss you
[16:03] <nxvl> :'(
[16:03]  * norsetto pats nxvl on the shoulders
[16:22] <abwesend_> http://www.hanf-spiel.de/137695
[17:04] <cherva> can someone give me a nice tutorial about the debian/rules file ?
[17:16] <norsetto> cherva: you mean about make in general or specific to debian/rules?
[17:17] <Laney> Hey guys
[17:18] <norsetto> Hi Laney
[17:27] <cherva> norsetto: specific to debian/rules
[17:28] <norsetto> cherva: I always found the debian policy pretty clear on that: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-source.html#s-debianrules
[17:29] <cherva> norsetto: thanks
[17:30] <norsetto> cherva: the packaging guide is also quite clear: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Rules
[17:33] <sebner> norsetto: \o/
[17:33] <norsetto> sebner: !o! (oups :-))
[17:34] <sebner> ^^
[17:34]  * norsetto kicks ubottu awake
[17:34] <norsetto> ubottu ?
[17:35] <sebner> norsetto: are you kidding the poor bot again? :P
[17:35] <norsetto> sebner: give me an hand to bury this thingie
[17:35]  * sebner cuts down a hand and pass it over to norsetto xD
[17:36]  * norsetto consider it for a moment, then crunch it happily
[17:37]  * sebner cuts down his remaining hand and slaps norsetto for eating the his first hand :P
[17:38] <norsetto> sebner: hey, weren't you told to wash your hands?
[17:38] <sebner> norsetto: I was my hands in innocence and nothing more :P
[17:39] <norsetto> sebner: you stopped being innocent about 30 min. after you were born
[17:40] <sebner> norsetto: Bad world :)
[17:47] <sebner> norsetto: I hardly followed discussion recently. Is it true that we move all packages into bzr?
[17:48] <norsetto> sebner: me too, all I know is what the sabdfl said in the announcement
[17:48] <Laney> That's the plan
[17:48] <Laney> norsetto, sebner: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NoMoreSourcePackages
[17:49] <sebner> brr. /me doesn't like working with bzr as much as with LP
[17:49] <Syntux> Good day :-)
[17:50] <norsetto> Syntux: salam
[17:51] <RainCT> sebner, norsetto: for now the complete archives will be in bazaar but the old tools will continue working (so no one has to use bzr if he doesn't like it)
[17:52] <Syntux> norsetto, Salam Cesare :-)
[17:52] <norsetto> RainCT: oh, rainct, who still hasn't answered my email ;-)
[17:53] <sebner> RainCT: the question is *how* long ;)
[17:54] <norsetto> sebner: don't distract him, he is still thinking hard to try and find an excuse
[17:54] <RainCT> lol
[17:54] <sebner> lol
[17:55] <norsetto> lol
[17:55] <RainCT> sebner: well, that's uncertain afaik, depending on how it goes once we have the optional repo.
[17:55] <sebner> xD
[17:55] <sebner> RainCT: kk, thx for the info :)
[17:55]  * norsetto doesn't know why he lols but he likes to be part of it
[17:57] <Syntux> LoL
[17:57] <RainCT> norsetto: hah. well, e-mail answered
[17:58] <norsetto> RainCT: thx, I was afraid of that :-\
[18:02]  * RainCT is bored and wants suggestions on what to improve on REVU :P
[18:02] <Laney> improve the number of advocates of my package ;)
[18:03] <Syntux> darn, my laptop is dying
[18:03] <RainCT> Laney: you have a comment from dktrkranz
[18:03] <Laney> I do?
[18:04] <Laney> ...
[18:04] <norsetto> rainct: bring the front page back to legibility
[18:04] <Laney> Oh, I hate licensing so
[18:04] <RainCT> norsetto: what's the problem? font size?
[18:05] <norsetto> RainCT: perhaps, whenever I attemp to scan it I just get an headache
[18:06] <RainCT> norsetto: try Ctrl++ :P
[18:06] <RainCT> does that help?
[18:07] <norsetto> RainCT: it should be the other way around, people that want to ruin their eyes should use Ctrl+-
[18:07] <norsetto> RainCT: the default should be sane (as it was)
[18:10] <Laney> murrayc: ping
[18:11] <murrayc> Laney: pong
[18:11] <ssaboum> hi RainCT
[18:12] <ssaboum> maybe a notification system should be added to revu, in order to warn people by mail, about new packages, changes etc ...
[18:12] <ssaboum> maybe with a system of "subscription"
[18:12] <ssaboum> just like in launchpad bugs
[18:13] <Laney> murrayc: Hey, I believe you maintain goocanvasmm, right? I'm trying to package it but there are a few unlicensed files. See http://pastebin.com/f7df57b3b
[18:13] <RainCT> ssaboum: yep, e-mail notifications are planned, but it's burried deep on my TODO because I don't like to work on e-mail stuff :P  (there are already feeds, btw)
[18:14] <RainCT> norsetto: http://rainct.homelinux.net/revu/index.py?updated=true  is that better?
[18:14] <ssaboum> (i know lol )
[18:14] <norsetto> RainCT: re. email notifications: didn't we have one and got rid of it as it was just an annoying thing?
[18:15] <norsetto> rainct: much better, how many pts?
[18:16] <RainCT> I don't know if it was there (although I don't think so; there was the ML, though), but it will be optional. Users will be able to subscribe to all their stuff (like with the personal feed) or to individual packages.
[18:16] <RainCT> norsetto: global text-size is 11pt, one more as before
[18:16] <norsetto> rainct: yes, the ml, but allowing people to be notified about changes about their packages would be nice
[18:17] <norsetto> rainct: ok, that should be around 15 px at 96 dpi which seems reasonable
[18:17] <RainCT> norsetto: OK, I'll add an option for users to choose 10pt or 11pt
[18:17] <RainCT> (a configuration page will be needed anyway for the e-mail notifications)
[18:19] <norsetto> RainCT: in that case you may want to raise h2 too which is 12pt now
[18:19] <murrayc> Laney: Ah. I'll take a look tomorrow. Thanks. A patch would be welcome if you want to speed that along. Do file a bug in general if you don't happen to catch me on irc.
[18:20] <murrayc> Laney: how can I run that test myself?
[18:20] <Laney> murrayc: I'm out but can do it tomorrow. What license would you prefer?
[18:20] <Laney> murrayc: I used the licensecheck tool
[18:20] <Laney> "licensecheck -r ." in the base dir
[18:21] <jpds> Laney: Where can one find that tool?
[18:21] <murrayc> Laney: GPL, I guess. It's what we use for gtkmm examples. For instance: http://svn.gnome.org/svn/gtkmm-documentation/trunk/examples/book/giomm/read_file_async/main.cc
[18:22] <Laney> jpds: devscripts
[18:22] <murrayc> Laney: I think wrap_init.cc is generated though. If so, it's not been a problem for other *mm files.
[18:22] <Laney> GPL2, right
[18:24] <murrayc> Laney: yeah
[18:25] <ssaboum> RainCT : rain i can help, i'm not that bad in python
[18:26] <ssaboum> RainCT : rain i mean
[18:26] <ssaboum> for the email notification module
[18:26] <Laney> murrayc: Will sort it out tomorrow if you don't get to it
[18:26]  * Laney -> location(outside);
[18:26] <RainCT> ssaboum: great :). https://launchpad.net/revu < patches are welcome
[18:27] <RainCT> ssaboum: but I will have to tell you how to get the e-mail of the user (and I forgot how I wanted to get it :/)
[18:52] <RainCT> pochu: have you launched fusion-icon from the command line?
[18:52] <sebner> DktrKranz: \o/
[18:52] <DktrKranz> sebner, \o/
[18:57] <pochu> RainCT: yup
[18:57] <RainCT> pochu: don't do that ;)
[18:58] <pochu> heh
[18:58] <pochu> why not? :)
[18:58] <pochu> that's what the reporter did btw
[18:58] <pochu> ah
[18:58] <pochu> Exec=fusion-icon --no-start
[18:59] <RainCT> pochu: yep. but that's unrelated to the bug report
[18:59] <nxvl> pochu: did you want to co-maintain terminator?
[18:59] <pochu> perhaps --no-start should be on by default, and there should be a "--start" option :)
[18:59] <nxvl> pochu: i'm running out of time
[18:59] <pochu> nxvl: I could, in PAPT
[18:59] <pochu> if you don't mind moving it to svn ;)
[18:59] <nxvl> PAPT?
[19:00] <nxvl> that completely fine with me
[19:00] <pochu> http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/PythonAppsPackagingTeam
[19:00] <nxvl> pochu: http://people.ubuntu.com/~nxvl/terminator/
[19:00] <nxvl> pochu: take the source from there
[19:01] <pochu> great :)
[19:01] <pochu> nxvl: if you want to keep maintaining it, join the python-apps project on alioth
[19:01] <nxvl> pochu: it nees a little changes since i break some stuff with the last version
[19:01] <pochu> so you can commit to the repo
[19:01] <nxvl> but haven't got time to fix it lately
[19:01] <pochu> ok, I'll have a look soonish
[19:02] <directhex> hm. that pidgin/empathy usability report on the wiki was interesting
[19:02] <pochu> btw, how come do you have access to people.u.c? I thought only canonical employers had
[19:02] <nxvl> pochu: exactly
[19:02] <nxvl> pochu: i work for canonical now, that's why i don't have much time
[19:03] <pochu> nxvl: oh, that's great :)
[19:03] <pochu> nxvl: server team?
[19:03] <nxvl> nop
[19:03] <nxvl> OEM Solutions Group
[19:03] <pochu> ah, cool
[19:03] <ScottK> I thought p.u.c got opened up to non-employees in any case.
[19:03] <ScottK> p=people in this case
[19:04] <james_w> it will be
[19:04] <ScottK> Ah.
[19:04] <pochu> hey ScottK and james_w
[19:04] <james_w> hey pochu
[19:05] <ScottK> Heya pochu.
[19:06] <sebner> huhu ScottK :)
[19:08] <slytherin> ScottK: You are part of motu-release right?
[19:09] <ScottK> slytherin: I am.
[19:11] <slytherin> ScottK: There is a package bluez-firmware in Debian non-free which has never been synced. It contains distributable binary blobs for some broadcom bluetooth chipsets. There are 2-3 long pending bugs relates to this package. Do you think a FFE can be considered and the package can be synced?
[19:12] <ScottK-laptop> slytherin: Do you know why it's never been sync'ed?
[19:12] <slytherin> ScottK-laptop: no idea.
[19:15] <pwnguin> if its a firmware thing, wouldn't the kernel team be the people to talk to?????
[19:15] <pwnguin> woa, lag
[19:15] <ScottK-laptop> slytherin: I don't see in debian/copyright where other entities are allowed to distribute it?
[19:15] <geser> slytherin, ScottK-laptop: bluez-firmware is on the sync blacklist (in the block commented with "benc: we do our own kernel
[19:15] <geser> ")
[19:15] <ScottK-laptop> geser: Thanks.
[19:15] <slytherin> ScottK-laptop: I claimed that based on some entry in changelog. Let me confirm it.
[19:16] <ScottK-laptop> slytherin: I'd say no based on the sync blacklist.
[19:16] <ScottK-laptop> geser: Thanks.
[19:16] <slytherin> hmm
[19:16] <slytherin> Anyway, I promised persia I will bring up this issue.
[19:16] <ScottK-laptop> slytherin: If I was an archive admin, I don't think I'd accept it into multiverse in any case.
[19:17] <pwnguin> slytherin: do you have hardware that doesn't work without that?
[19:17] <slytherin> pwnguin: I don't have any such hardware. But there is at least one bug which says this package is needed. Do you want me to look up bug number?
[19:18] <pwnguin> only if it hasn't been triaged. so yes, i guess
[19:19] <slytherin> ScottK-laptop: Check the chnagelog entry in 2005, http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/non-free/b/bluez-firmware/current/changelog
[19:19] <ScottK-laptop> slytherin: Read the email that the added to debian/copyright.  That's the one I don't think works.
[19:20] <ScottK-laptop> slytherin: In any case, would this package even work with our kernel?
[19:21] <pwnguin> im not convinved we don't ship this stuff elsewhere =/
[19:21] <slytherin> ScottK-laptop: I will check the copyright. And no idea about if it works with our kernel
[19:21] <slytherin> pwnguin: here you go - bgu #156133
[19:21] <slytherin> bug #156133
[19:29] <nxvl> pochu: already applied for membership on the team, please let me know where you upload it
[19:32] <pochu> nxvl: where or when? ;)
[19:36] <pochu> nxvl: it will be in http://svn.debian.org/viewsvn/python-apps/packages/, I'll let you know once I've uploaded it
[19:36] <pochu> nxvl: feel free to join #debian-python on OFTC
[19:38] <nxvl> pochu: when i have time :D
[20:01] <_ruben> bugger .. i keep forgetting how to recall the previous line bash completely .. $! for last param i'll never forget .. the variant for the complete line keeps eluding me :p
[20:02] <liw> control-p seems to work for me ;-)
[20:04] <_ruben> heh .. if only that'd insert it after the cursor :) .. i mean like "echo $whatever" .. where $whatever is the previously entered command :)
[20:05] <ScottK-laptop> liw: Did you get my pong on the question of cruft cleaner?
[20:05] <liw> ScottK-laptop, possibly... I've been ill for the past couple of days so I'm not sure I noticed
[20:06] <ScottK-laptop> Ah,.
[20:06] <ScottK-laptop> liw: My message was that "It's an approved spec for Intrepid" would have been a very good answer when I asked why it should get in post FF.
[20:07] <ScottK-laptop> liw: I didn't know about the spec when you brought it up originally.
[20:07] <liw> ScottK-laptop, ah yes, I just found that in lastlog... yeah, I should have mentioned that, my stupidity
[20:07] <ScottK-laptop> liw: So please file a bug asking for FFe.
[20:07] <liw> ScottK-laptop, I will, thanks
[20:12] <bobbo> Would syncing http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/45461/plain/ from Debian require an FFe?
[20:13] <ScottK-laptop> bobbo: Yes.
[20:13] <bobbo> ScottK-laptop: cool, thanks
[20:16] <POX_> nxvl: you have a new email in your mailbox
[20:16] <nxvl> POX_: thenk you, got it :D
[20:16] <nxvl> thank*
[20:18] <POX_> now read our policy and cry (you already signed a contract and there's no way going back)
[20:18] <POX_> ;)
[20:20] <slytherin> POX_: that sounds like NDA. :-P
[20:24] <POX_> oh damn, there's rmproject.php on alioth...
[20:24] <POX_> don't tell nxvl
[20:24] <nxvl> :D
[20:41] <POX_> nxvl: I have problems with sending private msgs on FreeNode, could you join OFTC?
[20:42] <nxvl> POX_: i actually got your PM's
[20:42] <Adri2000> any motu-sru folk around?
[21:00] <nxvl> pochu: already uploaded terminator to svn
[21:08] <norsetto> RAOF: any reason you didn't subscribe motu-release yourself to bug 267020 ?
[21:21] <pochu> nxvl: great, thanks!
[21:53] <RAOF> norsetto: Yes; that's half done.
[21:54] <norsetto> RAOF: ok, do you mind if I unsubscribe then?
[21:54] <RAOF> norsetto: It needs the gnome-do-plugins info added to it, then I'll subscribe motu-release
[21:54] <RAOF> norsetto: Not at all
[21:54] <norsetto> RAOF: thx
[21:58] <norsetto> RAOF: ok, I also assigned it to you and set it to in-progress so that nobody else should mess with it
[22:02] <RAOF> norsetto: And I've added a comment to the effect that it's incomplete.  Sorry for the noise!
[22:02] <norsetto> RAOF: np
[22:19] <__iron> hi
[23:01] <Falken_> hi !
[23:03] <Falken_> I have a quick question about the packages waiting for approval in REVU : will they be reviewed before intrepid ? or is it already to late ? will they have to wait for 9.04 ?
[23:06] <DktrKranz> Falken_, unless you require a Feature Freeze exception, they will go for 9.04
[23:06] <Falken_> okay, I guess mine is not big enough to win such exception :P
[23:07] <Falken_> allright thanks, good night !
[23:07] <Falken_> (or morning, or whatever :P)
[23:08] <ScottK-laptop> It occurs to me that since 3 of 5 in motu-release are Kubuntu users we could have a lot of fun with the Gnome-Do FFe.
[23:12] <DktrKranz> ScottK-laptop, doesn't it qualify for gnome standing FFe?
[23:12] <ScottK-laptop> DktrKranz: No.  It's for Gnome, not part of official Gnome.
[23:12] <ScottK-laptop> AFAIK anyway.
[23:13] <DktrKranz> I'm not a gnome-do user, but I can test it (I'm a GNOME user)
[23:14] <ScottK-laptop> Yes, but it might be fun for the 3 KDE users to vote it down and then make people beg.
[23:14] <ScottK-laptop> ;-)
[23:15] <DktrKranz> good chance to say: "hey, gnome is worse, kde is waiting for you"
[23:15] <ScottK-laptop> Well Gnome is fine for people who want their desktop the way Gnome devs want them to have it.
[23:16] <DktrKranz> I think KDE won't go on my old hardware
[23:16] <Adri2000> DktrKranz: could you take a look at the ngircd sru please? (it's a one line patch)
[23:17] <DktrKranz> Adri2000, bug # ?
[23:17] <Adri2000> bug #85266
[23:17] <ScottK-laptop> DktrKranz: I've run Hardy KDE3 sort of reasonably well on a PIII 600 with 256MB of RAM.  Don't try to have a lot of apps open at once though.
[23:20] <DktrKranz> Adri2000, does /var/run require particular permissions?
[23:20] <DktrKranz> or owner=
[23:21] <DktrKranz> ScottK-laptop, oh... my box is similar, so I have chances to see what KDE4 is :)
[23:22] <ScottK-laptop> Well KDE4 I didn't have so much luck with, but I'd done a lot of bad things on that install, so it was probably my fault.
[23:23] <Adri2000> DktrKranz: ls -l /var/run shows that it's usually root:root and 755, which is what mkdir is doing
[23:24] <DktrKranz> Adri2000, ok then, ACKed.
[23:25] <Adri2000> thanks
[23:27]  * DktrKranz moves to bed, see you
[23:34] <RainCT> persia: may I get your opinion on bug #268763?
[23:41] <__iron> hi
[23:41] <__iron> i got problems with packages update
[23:43] <RainCT> well, good night
[23:43] <__iron> describe: upgrade to nvidia-glx-new_169.12+2.6.24.14-21.49_amd64.deb
[23:48] <nxvl> ScottK-laptop: you never signed my key, right?
[23:49] <ScottK-laptop> nxvl: No I didn't.  I still have the information.
[23:50] <ScottK-laptop> It's also still on my TODO.
[23:50] <ScottK-laptop> Sorry for the delay.
[23:50] <nxvl> ScottK-laptop: no worries, just making sure :D
[23:54] <Adri2000> zul: so, what's up with fail2ban?
[23:55] <coppro> ok, how do I change the keybindings on the consoles?
[23:55] <coppro> It seems to change every release