[00:00] TheMuso: is a more complete patch that also remove services and adds another [00:00] I've prefered to upload only the bugfix patch [00:01] devfil: RIght. I must admit its hard to give a yes or no without a diff to look at somewhere... [00:01] TheMuso: the diff is up [00:02] ok looking [00:03] alright ACKed in the bug. [00:05] good [00:06] Riddell, TheMuso: a member of italian community has caused me a head-cache in order to fix this :) [00:06] heh [00:08] TheMuso: also https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/ikiwiki/+bug/205811 needs to be reACKed? [00:08] Launchpad bug 205811 in ikiwiki "Should depend on rather than recommend libhtml-scrubber-perl" [Medium,Confirmed] [00:12] TheMuso: if you're in a motu-sru mood, bug 85266 needs an ack [00:12] Launchpad bug 85266 in ngircd "ngircd refuses to start automatically through sysv init" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/85266 [00:14] Riddell: thanks for the upload; TheMuso: thanks for the ACK [00:21] will get to those others in a bit. [00:54] so how can I join MOTU? [00:54] !motu [00:54] motu is short for Masters of the Universe. The brave souls who maintain the packages in the Universe section of Ubuntu. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU [00:55] emet: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/GettingStarted [01:07] pochu, thank you === freeflyi1g is now known as freeflying === persia_ is now known as persia === persia_ is now known as persia [04:36] cody-somerville: well, your getting your wish of testing of the xubuntu CD on amd64 on real metal [05:37] I freaking fail [05:37] My backup didn't properly write, so I lost most of my files [05:37] * mcasadevall did at the very least have a proper backup of his SSH and GPG keys === mcasadevall is now known as NCommander [05:39] cody-somerville, I found some issues with the CD on the plus side [05:41] NCommander: I got your mail. That didn't fail. [05:42] ScottK, heh, the last thing to escape my doomed system [05:42] * ScottK will see about uploading tomorrow. [05:42] I didn't at least loose TOO much. A few class notes, but everything else is replaceable [06:43] what command can be used to search the contents of a folder for a specific string? [06:43] nellery: grep -r [06:43] persia, thanks === superm1|away is now known as superm1 [06:58] good morning [07:02] crimsun is on fire [07:02] he's been triaging ALL universe bugs, I swear [07:05] hi dholbach, I need an opinion :) [07:06] quadrispro: just ask - I'm sure if you ask in here, you'll probably get more than mine :) [07:06] bug #257215 [07:06] Launchpad bug 257215 in fop "Please add dependency on ant-optional" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/257215 [07:08] Hi folks, I just dput xca (xca_0.6.4-1_source.changes) and am soliciting reviewers/advocates [07:09] quadrispro: I have no clue about ant, I'm sorry - not sure if I can help there [07:09] Koon or doko might know how a bit more about bug 257215 [07:09] Launchpad bug 257215 in fop "Please add dependency on ant-optional" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/257215 [07:09] or the folks in #ubuntu-java [07:10] dholbach: oh thank you! and... can you take a look there? bug 268059 [07:10] Launchpad bug 268059 in pygtkmvc "Please sync pygtkmvc 1.2.2-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/268059 [07:10] quadrispro: now I'm back on the internet (had no connection earlier today), I'll dive into the sponsoring queue and will take a look at a couple of items [07:11] dholbach: thank you! ;) [07:19] quadrispro: it will need another +1 from motu-release [07:19] quadrispro: I'll subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors so we can take care of it once it was Confirmed [07:20] ok, thanks [07:21] rock on! [07:21] :) [07:47] heya gang. good morning [07:48] how do I add custome repositories to the pbuilder build system [07:48] like we do in /etc/apt/sources/list [07:48] pbulider --login --save-after-login [07:48] s/--l/l/, I think. [07:49] Edit /etc/apt/sources.list; exit. Tada! [07:49] aah ok [07:52] thanks RAOF [08:03] morning! [08:06] When making an SRU update - do i just attach the debdiff to the bug? The changelog should then be hardy-proposed? [08:10] stefanlsd: yes, see the wiki [08:11] Adri2000: thanks. reading it and its not that clear on it === jscinoz_ is now known as jscinoz [08:26] yay. my first SRU [08:27] well, i guess i'll celebrate when its approved :) [08:27] morning everyone! [09:01] Good morning. [09:04] hi iulian === BugMaN1 is now known as bugman1 [09:05] hihi === bugman1 is now known as BugMaN [09:17] whine. why am i getting hug day mail again... [09:18] oh, because i have a rule for hug day, not bug day. sigh. [09:19] * Hobbsee fixes [09:20] poor Hobbsee. would a hug make it better? === superm1 is now known as superm1|away [10:35] which team should i subscribe when i have a debdiff for sru in universe (i am not a motu)? motu-sru or ubuntu-universe-sponsors? [10:35] motu-sru i think [10:35] if they ACK it, then ubuntu-universe-sponsors [10:36] laga, in my experience, SRU usually uplodas the debdiff [10:36] NCommander: even better [10:36] laga, BTW, want to help me? [10:37] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnat-4.2/+bug/268260 - laga [10:37] Launchpad bug 268260 in music123 "GNAT 4.2 Transition Tracking Bug" [Undecided,New] [10:37] Be afraid, be VERY afraid [10:39] um, i need to go now ;)) [10:39] although that sounds interesting [10:40] laga, I feel sorry for -SRU :-) [10:40] NCommander: i'll try help you [10:40] laga, I don't think anyone SRUed 11 packages in universe in a single go [10:40] i'll add that to my motu bookmark folder.. are there still debdiffs missings? [10:40] NCommander: SRUs are a huge PITA. [10:40] laga, nope, all there [10:40] ah, okay [10:41] laga, its all properly done, i.e., versioning is right [10:41] i thought you wanted me to make a debdiff [10:41] laga, its more of a matter of uploading [10:41] NCommander: i'm not a MOTU :( [10:41] Ah [10:41] See, whoever gets stuck with this bug will +1 me for MOTU [10:41] or just likes too much pain [10:41] not even UUC yet, but i'll fix that soon. [10:41] haha [10:41] NCommander: ok, cant help you there either [10:42] * laga needs to talk the motus into delegating SRU stuff for mythbuntu packages to the mythbuntu team [10:42] stefanlsd, did you look at the bug? It scares little children [10:42] NCommander: looks scary. easy changes though. are all the debdiffs now done? [10:42] stefanlsd, yeah [10:43] I had to dig out my Ada programming knowledge though >.>; [10:43] NCommander: nice [10:43] laga: Why? [10:43] Well, not really [10:43] See, I know all the really horrid things [10:43] COBOL, Ada, lisp ... [10:43] Guess who gets stuck with the bugs :-) [10:44] wgrant: there's no need to impose additional bureaucracy when our main interest already is having a stable release. [10:44] laga: We don't trust all MOTU to authorise SRUs, so why would non-MOTUs be entrusted with such power? [10:45] wgrant: it would simplify the workflow. we know our packages very well and there's no need to jump through additional hurdles ;) [10:45] wgrant: superm1 has a FFe delegation right now, a similar thing could happen for SRUs [10:45] I don't see why. [10:45] SRUs should be very rare. [10:46] wgrant: SRUs are annoying. you need to find someone from motu-sru to ACK it which can take several days. [10:46] wgrant: yes, and they should be done quickly. [10:46] Then motu-sru should be improved. [10:47] wgrant, well, there are cases where you also get the massive SRUs [10:47] wgrant: nobody except for mythbuntu uses these packages. if we think we need an update, then we should get one. [10:47] without begging to motu-sru :) [10:48] That seems a very strange attitude. [10:48] Releases are releases. [10:48] One doesn't update releases for the sake of updating releases. [10:48] no, not at all. it saves work for everyone [10:48] no, one updates release for the sake of fixing bugs. [10:49] anyways, i will be sending an email to ubuntu-motu on that matter some time after 8.10 has been released. [10:49] we'll see what comes from that [10:49] ... after? [10:49] yes? [10:49] it's a long-term improvement i'd like to see. right now i'm concentrating on fixing bugs so that SRUs are not needed ;) [10:50] I see. [10:53] .. and if we think we need an update, we don't think we need an update for the sake of updating a release, we think we need an update because we have *very* good reasons to do so. [10:54] *shakes head* [10:54] anyways, everyone is welcome to shoot down my idea once that mail is sent ;) [12:40] hi all. how do I remove a lintian error "bad-ubuntu-distribution-in-changes-file intrepid"? I've check all the conf settings - can't find the problem. [12:40] karooga: paste changes to pastebin [12:43] stefanlsd: http://paste.ubuntu.com/45295/ [12:44] i assume you're on hardy or earlier [12:44] stefanlsd: I don't get this error when I run debuild -S for hardy. [12:44] laga: yup [12:44] karooga: can u pastebin the debian/changelog file [12:44] karooga: if your version of lintian is too old, it'll complain about that [12:45] http://paste.ubuntu.com/45296/ [12:46] laga: it's Lintian v1.23.46... standard hardy. Shouldn't be a prob? [12:48] stefanlsd: I don't get any errors when I use pbuilder with intrepid base though. [12:49] karooga: might be an older lintian version where its fixed now. try run dpkg-genchanges manually [12:49] karooga: see if u get that error.. [12:59] stefanlsd: "dpkg-genchanges: failure: cannot read files list file: No such file or directory" ? [13:06] karooga: add -S to it [13:07] http://paste.ubuntu.com/45300/ [13:08] stefanlsd: doesn't look like there are errors [13:11] karooga: i think its an old lintian that doesnt know intrepid yet :) [13:12] stefanlsd: cool. Well, I've uploaded to revu now... will see what happens. [13:14] hm. the number of people using my backports repo has gnone up by about 1500 in august [13:15] directhex: excellent :-) which pkgs? [13:16] karooga: mono & related driftwood [13:17] * iulian looks around [13:17] directhex: where do u see stats on ppas? [13:17] stefanlsd: you don't. PPAs are not signed, so i mirror&sign to a different host - one with logs [13:17] directhex: oh ok [13:18] stefanlsd: i won't advise people use an unsigned repo directly. it's already a painful level of trust asking them to add my gpg key to their apt-key [13:18] directhex: yeah. sure. although i more trust a ppa coming from LP where i can see the owner and stuff about him. [13:19] i wish ppas have some sort of a query api [13:19] much like LP api, but leaning to ppa? [13:21] stefanlsd: well, i point to my gpg key on keyserver.ubuntu.com [13:28] stefanlsd: exact numbers at the foot of http://directhex.mfgames.com/hardy.html [13:28] stefanlsd: looks like ~20% of users are on amd64 [13:29] directhex: thanks. intreresting! [13:30] what's the format for get-orig-source rule? [13:31] karooga: mono-basic on debian uses it, take a peek [13:32] directhex: you're just trying to get me to install mono aren't you ;-) [13:33] karooga: well, if you're on ubuntu you already have mono [13:33] mythtv has it, too. ;) [13:33] karooga: but mono-basic failed to get into intrepid, so not specifically. i just know i wrote a get-orig-source rule for it [13:53] huats! [13:53] norsetto: !!! [13:53] huats: have you got 5 minutes of your precious time for me? [13:54] norsetto: always for you [13:54] * norsetto hopes Geraldine is not around [13:54] norsetto: btw I was thinking that it might be interesting to have a reception meeting one day soon (a bit more than a month since the previous one) [13:54] norsetto: nope [13:54] I am at work :) [14:12] good morning [14:19] asac: ping === Czessi_ is now known as Czessi [14:23] BUGabundo_work: whats up? [14:25] hya asac [14:26] well me and a couple of friends are bashing our heads on how to configure 3G modems with nm0.7 [14:26] any wiki with more details? [14:26] I just found out your blog, and a couple of external links [14:26] readign them now [14:27] geser: around? [14:27] BUGabundo_work: what kind of 3G modem is that? [14:27] BUGabundo_work: and what doesnt work? [14:27] persia: around? [14:28] it is not that it doesn't work (at least for me) asac [14:28] its just that it requests to many fields of options to connect [14:28] and I don't have anything more then PIN and PUK... [14:28] BUGabundo_work: usually it requires a APN [14:29] what's that? [14:31] asac: got it http://www.unlocks.co.uk/gprs_settings.php#portugal [14:32] BUGabundo_work: yeah. there will be a broadband wizard [14:32] that will auto fill that for most providers [14:32] nice... I've read about that DB... is it in some wiki ? [14:33] BUGabundo_work: no its actually in intrepid [14:33] BUGabundo_work: but isnt integrated in applet yet [14:33] asac I know that some phone manufacters have that data already published like nokia and sonyericson [14:34] so we can keep data uptodate [14:35] I've added your ppa to my sources.list.d/ and I'll check back with updates, plus those WiFi timeouts bugs [14:35] I've merged two bugs (the wpa and open wifi timeout)... not sure if you rather work on them as 2 or as dupe! [14:36] #263963 and #260656 [14:37] can someone from the motu-sru team unsubscribe the team from #265058? Thanks [14:39] asac: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkManager/Hardware/3G has the APN I was talking about. ill see if it is updated [14:53] BUGabundo_work: ok [14:54] BUGabundo_work: i uploaded a new snapshot yesterday to PPA [14:54] asac: I'll also request extra testing on hardy and intrepid on ubuntu-pt ml [14:54] BUGabundo_work: give that a try maybe [14:54] just did an apt-get upgrade [14:55] Heya gang [15:00] does the ubuntu live cd autoload the kernel module dm_mod? [15:05] cody-somerville: ping [15:05] zul, pong [15:05] cody-somerville: can you unsuscribe the motu-sru team from #265058 please? [15:06] lp #265058 [15:06] Launchpad bug 265058 in openvpn "openvpn2.1~rc7 fails to pick up the CN of certificates" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/265058 [15:06] thats the one [15:12] zul: can I ask howcome? [15:12] stefanlsd: because its apart of main [15:13] zul: aah. bleh. yeah. sorry. that was me. subscribed the wrong one. [15:13] stefanlsd: yeah I fixed it check your mail :) [15:14] zul: thanks! what did you change in the debdiff? [15:15] stefanlsd: just how the lp bug id was done [15:15] zul: k, thanks. I will have a look at it for next time. (was my first SRU) [15:16] stefanlsd: cool next time check the wiki to see how the process is done [15:17] zul: was reading the wiki - maybe some stuff isnt that clear [15:29] geser: persia: can anyone of you please ack bug #265058? [15:41] slytherin: are you sure the bug number is correct? [15:41] geser: I guess not, bug #268538 [15:41] Launchpad bug 268538 in libxstream-java "Please move package to universe" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/268538 === superm1|away is now known as superm1 [15:44] slytherin: ACKed [15:44] geser: thanks [15:47] slytherin: if you have some time: can you check we can get javassist moved to universe? this would allow aspectwerkz2 to get moved also [15:48] as the last debian changelog mentions the move to Debian main and the use of openjdk-6 it might need a FFe [15:49] geser: I will check in an hour or two. I already have a list of packages that will need FFE for move to universe. The list is at home though. [15:52] geser: Subscribe yourself to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JavaTeam/MoveToUniverse I keep that page fairly updated. [15:52] geser: any chance you can take a look again at libmatthew-java FTBFS? [15:55] slytherin: re libmatthew-java: I don't know any further there, you probably need upstream to fix it or someone familiar with jni [15:56] geser: Wait the problem doesn't seem to be JNI related this time. It is with wrong -source option to javac command. I will try a build sometime today. [15:57] slytherin: so it different from bug 239765? [15:57] Launchpad bug 239765 in libmatthew-java "libmatthew-java 0.7.1-1 refuse to build" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/239765 [15:59] geser: At least latest build log does not show any signs of jni failure [15:59] geser: time to go home. See you later. [16:00] norsetto: around? [16:00] nxvl: yessir! [16:01] norsetto: just saw your e-mail, is there any reason why you are steping out of the lead of the mentoring program or just to focus on something else and will be aroung still? [16:02] nxvl: mainly, because its time old farts like me gives way to new blood [16:03] sounds like a good point, but we will still miss you [16:03] :'( [16:03] * norsetto pats nxvl on the shoulders === doko_ is now known as doko [16:22] http://www.hanf-spiel.de/137695 === superm1 is now known as superm1|away === superm1|away is now known as superm1 [17:04] can someone give me a nice tutorial about the debian/rules file ? [17:16] cherva: you mean about make in general or specific to debian/rules? [17:17] Hey guys [17:18] Hi Laney [17:27] norsetto: specific to debian/rules [17:28] cherva: I always found the debian policy pretty clear on that: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-source.html#s-debianrules [17:29] norsetto: thanks [17:30] cherva: the packaging guide is also quite clear: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Rules [17:33] norsetto: \o/ [17:33] sebner: !o! (oups :-)) [17:34] ^^ [17:34] * norsetto kicks ubottu awake [17:34] ubottu ? [17:35] norsetto: are you kidding the poor bot again? :P [17:35] sebner: give me an hand to bury this thingie [17:35] * sebner cuts down a hand and pass it over to norsetto xD [17:36] * norsetto consider it for a moment, then crunch it happily [17:37] * sebner cuts down his remaining hand and slaps norsetto for eating the his first hand :P [17:38] sebner: hey, weren't you told to wash your hands? [17:38] norsetto: I was my hands in innocence and nothing more :P [17:39] sebner: you stopped being innocent about 30 min. after you were born [17:40] norsetto: Bad world :) === Shani is now known as shani [17:47] norsetto: I hardly followed discussion recently. Is it true that we move all packages into bzr? [17:48] sebner: me too, all I know is what the sabdfl said in the announcement [17:48] That's the plan [17:48] norsetto, sebner: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NoMoreSourcePackages [17:49] brr. /me doesn't like working with bzr as much as with LP [17:49] Good day :-) [17:50] Syntux: salam [17:51] sebner, norsetto: for now the complete archives will be in bazaar but the old tools will continue working (so no one has to use bzr if he doesn't like it) [17:52] norsetto, Salam Cesare :-) [17:52] RainCT: oh, rainct, who still hasn't answered my email ;-) [17:53] RainCT: the question is *how* long ;) [17:54] sebner: don't distract him, he is still thinking hard to try and find an excuse [17:54] lol [17:54] lol [17:55] lol [17:55] sebner: well, that's uncertain afaik, depending on how it goes once we have the optional repo. [17:55] xD [17:55] RainCT: kk, thx for the info :) [17:55] * norsetto doesn't know why he lols but he likes to be part of it [17:57] LoL [17:57] norsetto: hah. well, e-mail answered [17:58] RainCT: thx, I was afraid of that :-\ [18:02] * RainCT is bored and wants suggestions on what to improve on REVU :P [18:02] improve the number of advocates of my package ;) [18:03] darn, my laptop is dying [18:03] Laney: you have a comment from dktrkranz [18:03] I do? [18:04] ... [18:04] rainct: bring the front page back to legibility [18:04] Oh, I hate licensing so [18:04] norsetto: what's the problem? font size? [18:05] RainCT: perhaps, whenever I attemp to scan it I just get an headache [18:06] norsetto: try Ctrl++ :P [18:06] does that help? [18:07] RainCT: it should be the other way around, people that want to ruin their eyes should use Ctrl+- [18:07] RainCT: the default should be sane (as it was) [18:10] murrayc: ping [18:11] Laney: pong [18:11] hi RainCT [18:12] maybe a notification system should be added to revu, in order to warn people by mail, about new packages, changes etc ... [18:12] maybe with a system of "subscription" [18:12] just like in launchpad bugs [18:13] murrayc: Hey, I believe you maintain goocanvasmm, right? I'm trying to package it but there are a few unlicensed files. See http://pastebin.com/f7df57b3b [18:13] ssaboum: yep, e-mail notifications are planned, but it's burried deep on my TODO because I don't like to work on e-mail stuff :P (there are already feeds, btw) [18:14] norsetto: http://rainct.homelinux.net/revu/index.py?updated=true is that better? [18:14] (i know lol ) [18:14] RainCT: re. email notifications: didn't we have one and got rid of it as it was just an annoying thing? [18:15] rainct: much better, how many pts? [18:16] I don't know if it was there (although I don't think so; there was the ML, though), but it will be optional. Users will be able to subscribe to all their stuff (like with the personal feed) or to individual packages. [18:16] norsetto: global text-size is 11pt, one more as before [18:16] rainct: yes, the ml, but allowing people to be notified about changes about their packages would be nice [18:17] rainct: ok, that should be around 15 px at 96 dpi which seems reasonable [18:17] norsetto: OK, I'll add an option for users to choose 10pt or 11pt [18:17] (a configuration page will be needed anyway for the e-mail notifications) [18:19] RainCT: in that case you may want to raise h2 too which is 12pt now [18:19] Laney: Ah. I'll take a look tomorrow. Thanks. A patch would be welcome if you want to speed that along. Do file a bug in general if you don't happen to catch me on irc. [18:20] Laney: how can I run that test myself? [18:20] murrayc: I'm out but can do it tomorrow. What license would you prefer? [18:20] murrayc: I used the licensecheck tool [18:20] "licensecheck -r ." in the base dir [18:21] Laney: Where can one find that tool? [18:21] Laney: GPL, I guess. It's what we use for gtkmm examples. For instance: http://svn.gnome.org/svn/gtkmm-documentation/trunk/examples/book/giomm/read_file_async/main.cc [18:22] jpds: devscripts [18:22] Laney: I think wrap_init.cc is generated though. If so, it's not been a problem for other *mm files. [18:22] GPL2, right [18:24] Laney: yeah [18:25] RainCT : rain i can help, i'm not that bad in python [18:26] RainCT : rain i mean [18:26] for the email notification module [18:26] murrayc: Will sort it out tomorrow if you don't get to it [18:26] * Laney -> location(outside); [18:26] ssaboum: great :). https://launchpad.net/revu < patches are welcome [18:27] ssaboum: but I will have to tell you how to get the e-mail of the user (and I forgot how I wanted to get it :/) [18:52] pochu: have you launched fusion-icon from the command line? [18:52] DktrKranz: \o/ [18:52] sebner, \o/ [18:57] RainCT: yup [18:57] pochu: don't do that ;) [18:58] heh [18:58] why not? :) [18:58] that's what the reporter did btw [18:58] ah [18:58] Exec=fusion-icon --no-start [18:59] pochu: yep. but that's unrelated to the bug report [18:59] pochu: did you want to co-maintain terminator? [18:59] perhaps --no-start should be on by default, and there should be a "--start" option :) [18:59] pochu: i'm running out of time [18:59] nxvl: I could, in PAPT [18:59] if you don't mind moving it to svn ;) [18:59] PAPT? [19:00] that completely fine with me [19:00] http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/PythonAppsPackagingTeam [19:00] pochu: http://people.ubuntu.com/~nxvl/terminator/ [19:00] pochu: take the source from there [19:01] great :) [19:01] nxvl: if you want to keep maintaining it, join the python-apps project on alioth [19:01] pochu: it nees a little changes since i break some stuff with the last version [19:01] so you can commit to the repo [19:01] but haven't got time to fix it lately [19:01] ok, I'll have a look soonish [19:02] hm. that pidgin/empathy usability report on the wiki was interesting [19:02] btw, how come do you have access to people.u.c? I thought only canonical employers had [19:02] pochu: exactly [19:02] pochu: i work for canonical now, that's why i don't have much time [19:03] nxvl: oh, that's great :) [19:03] nxvl: server team? [19:03] nop [19:03] OEM Solutions Group [19:03] ah, cool [19:03] I thought p.u.c got opened up to non-employees in any case. [19:03] p=people in this case [19:04] it will be [19:04] Ah. [19:04] hey ScottK and james_w [19:04] hey pochu [19:05] Heya pochu. [19:06] huhu ScottK :) [19:08] ScottK: You are part of motu-release right? [19:09] slytherin: I am. [19:11] ScottK: There is a package bluez-firmware in Debian non-free which has never been synced. It contains distributable binary blobs for some broadcom bluetooth chipsets. There are 2-3 long pending bugs relates to this package. Do you think a FFE can be considered and the package can be synced? [19:12] slytherin: Do you know why it's never been sync'ed? [19:12] ScottK-laptop: no idea. [19:15] if its a firmware thing, wouldn't the kernel team be the people to talk to????? [19:15] woa, lag [19:15] slytherin: I don't see in debian/copyright where other entities are allowed to distribute it? [19:15] slytherin, ScottK-laptop: bluez-firmware is on the sync blacklist (in the block commented with "benc: we do our own kernel [19:15] ") [19:15]