[00:00] <Odd-rationale> kappabuntu: ctrl+alt+esc then click the window
[00:01] <kappabuntu> :D thanks
[00:01] <kappabuntu> muahahahahha
[00:02] <Odd-rationale> kappabuntu: what's so funny?
[00:03] <kappabuntu> I killed the window huhuhu
[00:03] <kappabuntu> it's been sitting on workspace 1 for hours now
[00:32] <Five> hello
[00:33] <Five> looking for help, I'm trying to install xubunutu on my new machine, yet i can't install the base system
[00:35] <favro> how are you trying to install Five ?
[00:35] <Five> cd
[00:36] <Five> i burned it twice use proper speed
[00:36] <Five> using*
[00:36] <Five> same problem occurs...
[00:36] <favro> which cd? live alternate server?
[00:36] <Five> yes
[00:36] <favro> which cd? live alternate server?
[00:36] <Five> xubuntu-8.04.1-alternate-i386.iso
[00:37] <favro> and where does the install stop working?
[00:38] <Five> when trying to install Kernal package: 'linux-generic'
[00:38] <Five> i can type full msg if u want
[00:40] <Five> do u want me to type full msg or not?
[00:41] <Odd-rationale> Five: did the install fail? or just taking a long time?
[00:41] <zoredache_> did you try running the cd integrety check?
[00:41] <zoredache_> did you verify the md5 sum of the file you downloaded?
[00:41] <Five> no
[00:41] <Five> let me do that now
[00:42] <Five> i didn't verify md5
[00:42] <Five> doing cd integrety check, give me sometime please
[00:43] <Five> oh integerity test of cd-rom failed
[00:43] <zoredache> no rush...
[00:44] <zoredache> if the integrety check on the cd failed, check the md5 sum of the file you downloaded... The sums should be listed on the web site you downlaoded from
[00:44] <Five> i downloaded from the official site, let me chevck
[00:45] <Five> http://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/xubuntu-releases/8.04/release/
[00:45] <Five> this is the link my friend
[00:46] <zoredache> the md5 sums for the files are in the file named 'MD5SUMS'.  Do you know how to check?
[00:46] <zoredache> !md5sums
[00:46] <Five> no
[00:47] <Five> checking one sec
[00:47] <zoredache> I don't think it is on the wiki, but on windows I think (http://www.md5summer.org/) is a good md5 checker
[00:48] <Five> aight
[00:48] <Five> well i'm new to using linux so i dont know much yet
[00:49] <Odd-rationale> we all have to start somewhere... :D
[00:49] <Five> =P
[00:50] <kappabuntu> i get the giggles browsing crack/serialz sites on with linux
[00:50] <kappabuntu> knowing you won't catch the bad internet AIDs
[00:50] <Five> HAHAH true
[00:50] <Five> same
[00:51] <Five> ubuntu live cds rock hehe
[00:51] <kappabuntu> I'm not afraid to open that suspicious zip/rar
[00:51] <Odd-rationale> Five: are you on windows right now? or livecd?
[00:51] <kappabuntu> or you could test them in a virtual XP
[00:51] <Odd-rationale> or other...?
[00:51] <Five> yes
[00:51] <Five> windows
[00:52] <Odd-rationale> ok
[00:52] <Five> i can run live cd on other machine that i do install on
[00:52] <Five> okie md5 test came with tons of errors
[00:52] <Five> 1500
[00:53] <Five> or to be honest 1449/1449
[00:53] <Five> i used (http://www.md5summer.org/) to check md5sum.txt on cd in windows
[00:53] <Odd-rationale> Five: might have to redownload...
[00:54] <Five> ic, okie i will do that man
[00:54] <Odd-rationale> Five: also, might i suggest. use the torrent :D
[00:54] <Five> okie will do that
[00:54] <Five> thanks alot guys, will idle now and download torrent =)
[00:57] <newpers> i'm running xubuntu on vmware server and my left arrow keys prints ^[[D in the terminal.  is there something i need to configure?
[01:00] <Odd-rationale> newpers: it is hard to tell whether this a problem with xfce4-terminal or vmware... but does it do this even at just a plain prompt?
[01:01] <newpers> i do not believe so.  let me check
[01:02] <newpers> thanks for the reply, btw
[01:02] <newpers> yes
[01:02] <newpers> it does it at the prompt as well
[01:03] <Odd-rationale> newpers: hmm. ok. it does that for me only when i have like a process running and i press keys... but not at a prompt...
[01:03] <newpers> actually i don't know
[01:03] <newpers> let me check again.
[01:03] <Odd-rationale> newpers: does it do it if you boot up a livecd?
[01:03] <newpers> ok... not at the prompt
[01:04] <newpers> i was retarded and tried it at the login prompt
[01:04] <Odd-rationale> newpers: yeah. ok.
[01:04] <newpers> at normal prompt, it works correctly
[01:04] <Odd-rationale> well that is the default behaviour...
[01:04] <newpers> xfce4-terminal issue?
[01:05] <newpers> man... it's hot in here
[01:05] <Odd-rationale> newpers: no...
[01:09] <newpers> wow, this is annoying not being able to go forwards or backwards
[01:09] <newpers> heh
[01:09] <newpers> i will google
[01:10] <newpers> again
[01:10] <Odd-rationale> newpers: so you cannot use arrow keys in login prompt?
[01:11] <newpers> i can
[01:11] <newpers> at login prompt it prints ]D.  at command prompt all arrows work.  at terminal i get ^]]D
[01:12] <newpers> ahhh... nm
[01:12] <newpers> it was just the stupid scala interpreter
[01:12] <newpers> i will use rlwrap
[01:12] <newpers> sorry for the problems
[01:12] <newpers> thanks, Odd-rationale!
[01:12] <Odd-rationale> np
[01:38] <asxx> hi anyone here?
[02:04] <asxx> i'm here ~
[02:04] <Odd-rationale> k
[02:04] <Odd-rationale> asxx: first try to find out what driver you are using...
[02:04] <asxx> teleportation
[02:04] <asxx> in linux
[02:04] <asxx> right?
[02:04] <Odd-rationale> yes
[02:04] <Odd-rationale> in linux
[02:04] <asxx> (II) intel: Driver for Intel Integrated Graphics Chipsets
[02:05] <asxx> is this what i'm suppose to look for?
[02:05] <Odd-rationale> asxx: is that from Xorg.0.log ?
[02:05] <asxx> yes
[02:05] <asxx> there are lot of "intel" words
[02:06] <asxx> (II) intel(0): Integrated Graphics Chipset: Intel(R) 965GM
[02:06] <asxx> this is also one
[02:06] <Odd-rationale> well. then i guess you are using the intel drivers...
[02:06] <Odd-rationale> find any vesa?
[02:06] <asxx> VESA VBE OEM: Intel(r)Crestline Graphics Chip Accelerated VGA BIOS
[02:06] <asxx> VESA VBE OEM Product: Intel(r)Crestline Graphics Controller
[02:07] <Odd-rationale> asxx: about grep. you can do something like "cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep vesa"
[02:07] <Odd-rationale> asxx: but if you are already the intel drivers... then i don't know much else what you can do...
[02:08] <Odd-rationale> asxx: the windows drivers tend to be more uptodate than linux drivers... as vendors tend to support windows more.. :(
[02:08] <asxx> yaeh.
[02:08] <asxx> i know :(
[02:08] <asxx> which really sucks
[02:08] <asxx> but what I'm wondering is
[02:09] <asxx> how the hell can those windows people make a game run on windows that linux can not do
[02:09] <asxx> same hardware, different OS
[02:09] <asxx> one is ok, another one says its too old
[02:09] <Odd-rationale> asxx: maybe the windows intel drivers are more up to date?
[02:10] <Odd-rationale> idk...
[02:10] <asxx> ah
[02:10] <asxx> sad sad...
[02:10] <asxx> I'm going to fix this no matter what
[02:10] <asxx> I won't use WINE :(
[02:11] <Odd-rationale> i doubt wine would help anyways..
[02:11] <asxx> yeah...
[02:11] <asxx> do you think linux could get the wrong driver?
[02:11] <asxx> like my device is a but linux put it as b
[02:13] <Odd-rationale> asxx: well, there is only one intel xorg driver in the repos...
[02:13] <asxx> o.....
[02:13] <asxx> maybe that is why
[02:13] <Odd-rationale> asxx: btw, check to see if it is installed: xserver-xorg-video-intel
[02:13] <asxx> emma is in this channel too lol
[02:14] <asxx> command not found
[02:14] <Odd-rationale> asxx: no. i mean search in synaptics or aptitude or somthing...
[02:14] <asxx> o
[02:15] <asxx> xserver-xorg-video-intel is already the newest version.
[02:15] <Odd-rationale> asxx: ok. so you do have it installed...
[02:15] <asxx> yes
[02:16] <asxx> did you know that lot of people are coming to linux?
[02:16] <asxx> lol random
[02:16] <Odd-rationale> asxx: well. i don't know what else we can do. excpet wait on intel...
[02:16] <Odd-rationale> asxx: yeah that is cool
[02:16] <asxx> well its laptop anyways..
[02:17] <Odd-rationale> asxx: well i gtg...
[02:17] <Odd-rationale> ttly
[02:17] <asxx> thank you for the help
[02:17] <asxx> see you around
[02:26] <FiveBlue> which is faster as a server, ubuntu or xubuntu or debian?
[02:31] <cody-somerville> ubuntu and xubuntu are the same thing as a server if you use the server edition
[02:31] <FiveBlue> ic
[02:32] <FiveBlue> doesn't xubuntu have alower system requiments than both debian and ubuntu. also i heard that ubuntu is built around debian core. am i right
[02:34] <asxx> xfce4 tends to run faster than Gnome
[02:34] <asxx> but in server edition, it should have no big difference
[02:34] <asxx> your getting a server system anyways..
[02:40] <FiveBlue> okie now i got the problem as before guys. I burned a new cd with a new downloaded image (xubuntu-8.04.1-alternate-i386.iso). Yet i'm not able to install the base system. Kernel package: 'linux-generic' unable to install. Not that i was able to install ubuntu latest server version fine
[02:42] <Bikerbob> hello
[02:42] <Bikerbob> anyone running on an oldworld mac?
[02:43] <asxx> FiveBlue, try I686
[02:43] <asxx> 8.04.x.i686.iso
[02:44] <asxx> the new xubuntu should not have any installation problem at all, not that I know of
[02:44] <FiveBlue> aight
[02:45] <asxx> are you installing through GUI version?
[02:45] <asxx> with the live cd
[02:45] <FiveBlue> no
[02:45] <asxx> how are you installing it
[02:45] <FiveBlue> just live cd and install
[02:45] <asxx> yes the gui version
[02:45] <asxx> graphic user interface
[02:45] <FiveBlue> okie
[02:46] <asxx> ok than
[02:46] <asxx> try i686
[02:46] <FiveBlue> i can't find a link to it
[02:46] <asxx> can you tell me where and when it says linux-generic unable to install anyways
[02:46] <asxx> ok hold on let me find it
[02:46] <FiveBlue> k
[02:46] <asxx> whats ur computer spec anyways
[02:46] <FiveBlue> really good
[02:46] <FiveBlue> intel xeon 2.8 dual
[02:47] <FiveBlue> 820 gigs of space, 2 gig of ram
[02:47] <asxx> ooo nvm hold on\
[02:47] <FiveBlue> raid 5 hdds
[02:47] <asxx> you do have the right version, sorry about that
[02:48] <FiveBlue> what u mean by version?
[02:48] <asxx> can you tell me where you get the error messege\
[02:48] <asxx> xubuntu.8.04.1.x.i386.iso
[02:48] <FiveBlue> well after i set almost all settings and it starts to install the base system it stops
[02:48] <FiveBlue> and says unable to install kernel package: linux-generic
[02:49] <asxx> how did you set ur settings?
[02:50] <FiveBlue> i mean partition size/clock and network using gui
[02:50] <asxx> remember, I am trying to solve the problem with you because I am not that educated to help you out 100%
[02:50] <asxx> we solve the problem together. :)
[02:50] <FiveBlue> hehe no problem man =P
[02:50] <asxx> did ubuntu work ?
[02:51] <FiveBlue> i'm a college student in IT so i'm not a noob but i'm learning linux now
[02:51] <asxx> and xubuntu is the only one that don't work
[02:51] <FiveBlue> ubunutu worked fine
[02:51] <asxx> which college?
[02:51] <FiveBlue> mohawk college nesa program
[02:51] <asxx> i'm in university student in CIS
[02:51] <asxx> i'm in guelph uni. CIS
[02:51] <asxx> anyways off topic lol
[02:51] <FiveBlue> network engneering and security analyst third year =)
[02:51] <asxx> hold on
[02:51] <asxx> i'm very very close to graduating :D
[02:51] <FiveBlue> same
[02:52] <FiveBlue> but I have to learn linux well, I know windows by heart hehe
[02:52] <asxx> how did you set ur partitions
[02:52] <asxx> well windows, you get a software and manual and done
[02:52] <asxx> don't most of softwares make it easier for admins to use in windows?
[02:52] <asxx> but linux is a big more work
[02:52] <asxx> anyways once again, hold on ll
[02:53] <FiveBlue> well i have raid, so i just told it to use entire space which is 820 gig and it works everytime. it auto does the swap and logical partition
[02:53] <FiveBlue> windows is easy but crappy, it is made for conveniance customers. Linux is uber in every other way but just hard to start with
[02:54] <asxx> once you master it
[02:54] <asxx> you will be like canadian mohawk geneius
[02:54] <asxx> bad joke
[02:54] <FiveBlue> hehehe =P
[02:54] <asxx> anyways, do you want to try to
[02:54] <asxx> re partition it again?
[02:55] <FiveBlue> i dont think it si the problem, i formatted that machine alot and tried diff ways and it always works howevere i do it
[02:55] <FiveBlue> anyways i will install ubuntu again i guess, i'm using cmdline interface anyways
[02:55] <asxx> oh
[02:55] <asxx> you could try
[02:55] <asxx> ALT-F2
[02:55] <asxx> "Chroot /target"
[02:55] <asxx> "apt-get install linux-386"
[02:56] <FiveBlue> i tried that but for some reason, it was not able to get updates to start with. I tried apt-get install updates
[02:56] <asxx> so the only thing that wasn't installed was linux generic ?
[02:56] <FiveBlue> and upgrade was same problem, wasn't able to fetch them
[02:57] <asxx> how about redownload another xubuntu and try it
[02:57] <FiveBlue> yes
[02:57] <FiveBlue> did that as well =)
[02:57] <asxx> and same shit
[02:57] <FiveBlue> same problem, ubuntu desktop same thing as well
[02:57] <FiveBlue> only unbuntu server was good
[02:57] <asxx> wow..
[02:58] <asxx> well if your going to mess around with servers using linux
[02:58] <FiveBlue> yeah i formatted aloooot in a few hours m8
[02:58] <asxx> for your future
[02:58] <asxx> try to use LFS
[02:58] <asxx> I am doing a programming so I don't need to know a lot of OS and blah blahs.
[02:58] <asxx> just C++ is more than enough of my life time
[02:58] <FiveBlue> ic, nah i'm a in netowrking mainly
[02:58] <asxx> than LFS
[02:59] <FiveBlue> so i need to know all types of stuff
[02:59] <asxx> you will love it
[02:59] <FiveBlue> I think i will do LFS man
[02:59] <asxx> do you know about it?
[02:59] <FiveBlue> nope
[02:59] <FiveBlue> but i cna learn
[02:59] <asxx> its Linux From Scratch
[02:59] <asxx> it has all the installation guide (which is very very long)
[02:59] <asxx> not like other distros, this one you can pick every single packages you want
[03:00] <asxx> meaning you won't start with a basic ones
[03:00] <asxx> however, you will be able learn a lot, i mean a lot of stuff behind the linux
[03:00] <FiveBlue> I have to learn linux anyways, this next year we are taught hacking in linux anad windows for a whole year and i better know my stuff well =)
[03:00] <asxx> than LFS
[03:00] <asxx> it should take you about a 3~5days
[03:01] <asxx> stay away from ubuntu, mint, fedora, etc.. they are good distros and i think its flawless
[03:01] <asxx> but LFS is the most valuable distro for you at your position
[03:01] <asxx> since you will stick with linux for while
[03:01] <FiveBlue> oh yeah linux linux for whiiiile, my prof likes redhat and freebsd
[03:02] <asxx> i'm not much fan of freebsd
[03:02] <asxx> but i mean don't they use the UNIX?
[03:02] <FiveBlue> yes
[03:02] <FiveBlue> that's what we learned first in college
[03:02] <FiveBlue> then we went to learning linux
[03:02] <asxx> Orrrrr
[03:02] <FiveBlue> but it is same commands almost
[03:02] <asxx> try http://www.archlinux.org/
[03:02] <asxx> archlinux is also great for you to learn linux
[03:03] <FiveBlue> i will do it the hard way, scratch will be gooood
[03:03] <asxx> it will be good but
[03:03] <asxx> I had a massive head hurting
[03:03] <asxx> for a whilee
[03:03] <asxx> smoked many many cigarettes
[03:03] <FiveBlue> hehe too much learning ehh
[03:04] <FiveBlue> or problems?
[03:04] <FiveBlue> brb phone
[03:04] <asxx> problems
[03:04] <asxx> you are going to literally build every single thingi there is in linux
[03:10] <FiveBlue> back
[03:10] <FiveBlue> well it will be fun to build everything and i know it will be hard and lots of headache =P
[04:06] <hvgotcodes> with a fresh xubuntu install do i have to install compiz
[04:06] <hvgotcodes> ?
[04:09] <cody-somerville> http://www.google.com/search?q=xubuntu+compiz&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a
[04:09] <Genelyk> xD!
[04:09] <Genelyk> well
[04:39] <Catoptromancy> = (
[04:39] <Catoptromancy> this channel got smaller
[04:40] <Catoptromancy> !bot
[04:41] <Catoptromancy> awesome bot is here now
[04:44] <Odd-rationale> hi, Catoptromancy
[04:45] <Catoptromancy> hi
[04:57] <emma> asxx - yep :)
[05:02] <Catoptromancy> gnome games?
[05:02] <Catoptromancy> in defualt install?
[05:03] <Odd-rationale> Catoptromancy: yes
[05:03] <Catoptromancy> gnome libs?
[05:03] <Odd-rationale> yep
[05:04] <Catoptromancy> = (
[05:04] <Catoptromancy> there are gtk versions of nearly all those
[05:04] <Odd-rationale> Catoptromancy: for gnome-games?
[05:04] <Catoptromancy> without minimal libs
[05:04] <Catoptromancy> ya
[05:05] <Catoptromancy> heh totem replaces gxine
[05:05] <Odd-rationale> yep
[05:05] <Catoptromancy> well totem isnt as aweful
[05:05] <Catoptromancy> gxine on any distro was mostly lockups
[05:05] <Odd-rationale> nope. youtube integration is cool...
[05:05] <Catoptromancy> running zine directly was alot better heh
[05:08] <Odd-rationale> i like vlc
[05:08] <Catoptromancy> xfmedia was cool, but still early beta is seems
[05:08] <Catoptromancy> looks like development has slowed or stopped
[05:08] <Catoptromancy> very simple, yet did everything
[05:08] <Odd-rationale> i know.
[05:09] <Catoptromancy> dvds, cds, all kinds of music files
[05:09] <Odd-rationale> many xfce projects sometimes stalls...
[05:09] <Catoptromancy> alsaplayer is awesome though
[05:16] <greenman> How do you use apt-get to get a specific version?  I have php 5.1.2 and need 5.1.3
[05:26] <Odd-rationale> funny how many people don't wait for answers...
[05:27] <R1cochet> how can i make xubuntu start w/ numkey enabled?
[05:27] <Odd-rationale> !numlock | R1cochet
[05:28] <R1cochet> ty much
[06:05] <Chetyre> Quick question, is there any way to easily add programs to the applications menu?  xfce menu editor isn't doing it for me
[06:06] <Catoptromancy> = (
[06:07] <Odd-rationale> Chetyre: well that is something the xfce dev are working on for the next release afaik
[06:07] <Odd-rationale> Chetyre: due on th 28 if it is released on time..
[06:07] <Chetyre> Ok, cool.  I mean, I know how to add things to the menu but I want to be able to sort them into submenus which I apparently can't :P
[06:08] <Chetyre> And hey, that's my birthday!  What a nice present
[06:08] <Odd-rationale> Chetyre: but take a look at http://wiki.xfce.org/tips#how_to_add_or_remove_applications_in_the_system_menu
[06:10] <Chetyre> Odd-rationale:  oh, ok.  That should work.  Thanks
[06:38] <Chetyre> Odd-rationale:  still around?
[06:52] <skep> ah great..according to virtualbox the kernel-bug is fxed in their upcoming bug-release (2.0.2)
[06:53] <Catoptromancy> kernel bug?
[06:53] <Catoptromancy> sounds like something I had
[06:54] <skep> Catoptromancy: there is a big thread on launchpad: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/246067
[06:54] <Catoptromancy> hmm no kernel panics
[06:54] <Catoptromancy> just really really bad performace
[06:55] <skep> there was a temporary fix which resulted in bad performance afaik..
[06:55] <Catoptromancy> ubuntu could barely keep resolution setting from going off screen
[06:55] <Catoptromancy> and kept getting worse
[06:55] <Catoptromancy> reactos just froze.
[06:55] <Catoptromancy> old vbox worked fine
[07:05] <Catoptromancy> does a deb have to be gpl to be in repos?
[07:06] <Catoptromancy> this app has a thrown together license, similar...but says nothing about keeping source open
[07:07] <skep> i think it depends on the repo
[07:07] <skep> there are different ones
[07:07] <Catoptromancy> something easily added will apt-get or add/remove?
[07:08] <Catoptromancy> ya I guess, there are nonfree packages in add/remove
[11:30] <tomboy64> i'm having a fresh install of gutsy and wanna try install libqt4-core and libqt4-gui - but both packages can't be found.
[11:30] <tomboy64> command is "apt-get install libqt4-core"
[11:33] <TheSheep> gutsy is pretty old...
[11:33] <TheSheep> it's possible it didn't have qt4 yet
[11:35] <tomboy64> how can i check?
[11:35] <tomboy64> and i'm pretty sure it is
[11:36] <TheSheep> packages.ubuntu.com
[11:36] <TheSheep> there is a search
[11:36] <tomboy64> cause i got the info from a tutorial to install it
[11:37] <tomboy64> well, it's listed as libraries there
[11:38] <TheSheep> in which repository?
[11:38] <TheSheep> maybe you have to add it to your sources list?
[11:38] <tomboy64> http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/libs/
[11:39] <tomboy64> TheSheep: how do i check it is in my list?
[11:39] <TheSheep> system->software sources
[11:40] <tomboy64> and what am i looking for there?
[11:40] <TheSheep> !info libqt4-core
[11:40] <TheSheep> tomboy64: the 'component' part
[11:40] <TheSheep> in this case, for hardy, it's 'main'
[11:44] <tomboy64> uhm
[11:44] <tomboy64> yeah
[11:44] <tomboy64> component main is there
[11:44] <tomboy64> gutsy main restricted
[11:44] <tomboy64> TheSheep: ?
[11:45] <TheSheep> no idea then
[11:45] <TheSheep> check on the page if it's really in main in gutsy
[11:45] <TheSheep> the above info was for hardy
[11:46] <tomboy64> uhm
[11:46] <tomboy64> on that page it says red "security"
[13:25] <moonbeam__> Can anyone tell me where the option is on xubuntu to change to a window's workspace when activated instead of bring the window to the current workspace?
[13:25] <moonbeam__> I have it configured on my Gentoo machine at home so I know xfce supports it.
[13:49] <TheSheep> moonbeam__: it's in the text config file
[13:49] <TheSheep> moonbeam__: http://wiki.sheep.art.pl/Firefox and XFCE4
[13:50] <TheSheep> moonbeam__: http://wiki.sheep.art.pl/Firefox%20and%20XFCE4
[13:50] <TheSheep> sorry
[14:14] <whileimhere> Hi. Each time I move my mouse cursor to the edge of the screen it changes work spaces. How can I stop that?
[14:15] <Iskr> in workspace settings
[14:15] <Iskr> no
[14:16] <Iskr> i don't remember, even if i switched that thing off myself
[14:17] <TheSheep> whileimhere: in window manager settings, third tab I think
[14:20] <whileimhere> thanks
[14:27] <moonbeam__> TheSheep, Thanks.
[14:29] <ShackJack> Hi all -having a HAL problem after an Xubuntu Hardy upgrade... After logging in, I get a pop-window "Fatal: Error - Failed to Initialize HAL", and my wireless nor plug-in drives aren't recognized. I also can't get into anything under the System/Admin menu (Configuration could not be loaded). Looked around on forums but can't find anything - any suggestions?
[14:30] <TheSheep> ShackJack: annything in logs?
[14:30] <TheSheep> ShackJack: check dmesg and /var/log/syslog
[14:30] <ShackJack> TheSheep: Not sure - which one shoudl I check - I watch the startup prompts but didn't see anything unusual
[14:30] <ShackJack> Ahh O.K. one sec...
[14:31] <moonbeam__> TheSheep, strangely it was in one of the Configuration GUIs on my Gentoo install...  so I'm wondering if upstream removed it or xubuntu did
[14:32] <ShackJack> TheSheep: I grepped HAL but didn't fin anything - scanning now - is there something else in particualr I should be searching for?
[14:33] <TheSheep> moonbeam__: no, they added it in later xfce versions, maybe gentoo backported that
[14:33] <TheSheep> ShackJack: I have no idea
[14:33] <TheSheep> ShackJack: you could also try restarting HAL from terminal and see ify ou get any messages
[14:34] <TheSheep> ShackJack: with 'sudo /etc/init.d/hal restart'
[14:34] <ShackJack> Hmm... no messages
[14:35] <moonbeam__> TheSheep, well I use the xfce overlay on Gentoo which pulls from trunk...  so that makes sense.  Anyway, thanks... things are working now.
[14:35] <moonbeam__> later.
[14:35] <ShackJack> Not giving me any messages - and Its not recognizing plug-in USE drive or letting me into amdin menu...
[14:37] <cody-somerville> \o/
[14:38] <TheSheep> amdin menu?
[14:39] <ShackJack> TheSheep: The "System" Menu in Xubuntu - says it can't load configuration stuff...
[14:41] <TheSheep> ShackJack: when you type 'sudo apt-get install -x', does it want to install anything?
[14:41] <TheSheep> sorry
[14:41] <TheSheep> not -x, -f
[14:45] <ShackJack> TheSheep: Don't have wireless...
[14:45] <TheSheep> does it try to install anything?
[14:48] <ShackJack> TheSheep: I'm popping in the 8.04 install disc... hopefully I can do a fresh install (as opposed to upgrading from 7.04 which took ages)...
[14:48] <ShackJack> Normally I would trouble shoot but don't have the luxury in this case
[14:48] <ShackJack> And its a fresh install and partitioned home so should be a big diead if the install can get past the "Scanning file system" part.t..
[14:49] <ShackJack> It got caught on detecting file systems last time though... Ooops look like it got past it! *crosses fingers*
[14:50] <ShackJack> Thanks for the help nonethe less ;)
[14:50] <TheSheep> ShackJack: good luck
[14:50] <ShackJack> (Hope fully HAL will work when I retsart)...
[14:50] <ShackJack> Well I had to leave it while it was upgrading last night - and when I came in, I could get the screen to wake, up... So assuming it was done and just waiting for a restart, I powered down...
[14:51] <TheSheep> oops
[15:00] <ShackJack> TheSheep: Yeah, not much else I could at that point :)
[15:00] <ShackJack> It's a very Old computer too.. **IBM** Thinkpad iSeries with a whopping 6GB drive... I pumped up the memory to 192 MB though (from 64MB)
[15:02] <TheSheep> you could check the thinkwiki
[15:02] <TheSheep> I remember it has some nice resources about installing ubuntu
[15:08] <ShackJack> TheSheep: Hopefully it'll be uneventful... I've been throught quite a few Ubuntu installs ;)    Though not Xubuntu so much...
[17:10] <ShackJack> HI all - I have a fresh install of Xubuntu (on an *old* computer) and all is well.. The only issue is that wireless networking does not bring up WPA/WPA2 as encryptions options for connecting to networks... I have wpasupplicant installed. I was wondering if there was anything else I needed to do, or is the old PCMIA Belkin Wi-Fi card maybe not up to the task of WPA (i.e. is the protocol hardware dependent?)
[17:11]  * pleia2 winces a bit at the mention of old belkin pcmcia card
[17:11] <ShackJack> :)
[17:11] <pleia2> ShackJack: my first step would be putting the exact model name into google with a search for linux support
[17:11] <pleia2> depending on the model, you might luck out and get a chipset you can get working without too many headaches
[17:12]  * pleia2 got unlucky, ebayed at $10 linksys and saved tons of headaches
[17:12] <ShackJack> pleia2: The card otherwise works fine actually, it's just that WPA/WPA2 don't come up as options when connecting to another network.... Open networks work fine and WEP are in there as options...
[17:12] <pleia2> s/at/a
[17:12] <pleia2> aah, I see
[17:12] <ShackJack> I wasn't sure if older wifi card didn't "support" WPA or something like that?
[17:12] <pleia2> in that case, it probably isn't the card
[17:13] <pleia2> but I'll have to defer to someone more knowledgeable with wireless
[17:13] <ShackJack> Do you know is support for the encryption built into the hardware or is it all drivers?
[17:14] <pleia2> AFAIK it's handled by the software drivers
[17:14] <ShackJack> Funny to see this *IBM* iSeries with a Celeron (Coppermine) 499Mhz and 6GB drive running a full-featured Xubuntu desktop ;)
[17:15] <ShackJack> Can't play Flash video worth a damn though - more like a slideshow :)
[17:15] <pleia2> I was running a similarly speced dell laptop until just a couple months ago (screen cracked - I would have kept using it!)
[17:16] <ShackJack> It'd make a good net browser with higher res screen... but Flash video is a sticking point... It'll just be used mostly a as spare email checker though..
[17:17]  * pleia2 liked the "sorry I'm on my old laptop" excuse for not watching the silly flash stuff people send to her ;)
[17:18] <ShackJack> :)
[17:19] <ShackJack> pleia2: You'd think flash would run a bit better on those specs... It's not like old machines couldn't run video...
[17:19] <ShackJack> I'
[17:19] <ShackJack> I'll try my ?? in the general ubuntu forum & see if I get any bites... Thanks for the help pleia2
[17:19] <pleia2> ShackJack: more ram might help, mine only had 128M
[17:19] <pleia2> good luck
[17:56] <JinKazama> hi all
[17:57] <zoredache_> hellow
[17:57] <JinKazama> when I set Thunar File manager to shows hiden files when I open some directory , Thunar "freezes" a lot
[17:57] <JinKazama> haw to fix this ?
[17:58] <zoredache_> once it has become frozen, does it come back, or do you have to kill it?
[17:58] <JinKazama> some thimes must to kill him
[17:59] <JinKazama> it freezes for more than 2 - 3 min.
[18:01] <JinKazama> -Computer-
[18:01] <JinKazama> Processor		: 2x AMD Turion(tm) 64 X2 Mobile Technology TL-60
[18:01] <JinKazama> Memory		: 905MB (549MB used)
[18:01] <JinKazama> Operating System		: Ubuntu 8.04.1
[18:01] <zoredache_> do you have any network shares mounted perhaps?
[18:02] <JinKazama> how to get ths ?
[18:02] <JinKazama> *this
[18:02] <zoredache> how to get what?
[18:03] <JinKazama> if I have network shares or mounted ?
[18:03] <JinKazama> I don't know ... :)
[18:03] <zoredache> you would probably remeber.  It would have required you to install additional software or tweaked configuration files
[18:05] <JinKazama> Shred Directories : -SAMBA- , -NFS-
[18:07] <JinKazama> http://pastebin.com/d48a536aa
[18:08] <JinKazama> is my shares and mounts are OK ?
[18:17] <ozkugh> hi
[18:20] <ozkugh> good morning
[18:24] <Danu> Hi i need help i'm a total rookie!
[18:24] <Danu> first how do i change the menu?
[18:24] <cody-somerville> How do you want to change it?
[18:25] <Danu> it's that the wine icons
[18:25] <cody-somerville> You have to modify the application's desktop file
[18:25] <Danu> how?
[18:26] <Odd-rationale> Danu: http://wiki.xfce.org/tips#how_to_add_or_remove_applications_in_the_system_menu
[18:26] <Odd-rationale> see it that helps
[18:27] <Odd-rationale> Danu: is it wine apps that you have uninstalled?
[18:27] <Danu> yes
[18:27] <Odd-rationale> Danu: iirc, the .desktop files for those can be found in ~/.local ...
[18:28] <Odd-rationale> Danu: if you do not need them, then you could probably just safely delete the .desktop files all together...
[18:28] <Danu> the thing is that not appear in wine, the appear in "others"
[18:29] <Odd-rationale> oh. i see...
[18:29] <Odd-rationale> Danu: so what is in "Others"?
[18:30] <Danu> yes
[18:30] <Odd-rationale> Danu: what do you have in "Others" that you want to have in wine?
[18:31] <Danu> well i don't want it in any place, but , yes
[18:31] <Odd-rationale> Danu: what is the name?
[18:32] <Danu> Others
[18:32] <Odd-rationale> Danu: i mean, what is the name of the applicaion that is in others.
[18:33] <Danu> uff, Ares, Utorrent, Emule, Google Chrome, i don't have any of them anymore
[18:34] <Odd-rationale> oh ok. i get it now...
[18:34] <Danu> i uninstall them like 1 month ago (with ubuntu)
[18:34] <Odd-rationale> Danu: try looking in your ~/.local folder for the .desktop files...
[18:34] <Danu> except chrome of course
[18:35] <Danu> i don't see the .desktop folder
[18:35] <Odd-rationale> Danu: you might have to go to view --> show hiddne files
[18:35] <Odd-rationale> Danu: any file that has a
[18:35] <Odd-rationale> "."
[18:35] <Odd-rationale> in front of it is a hiddenfile
[18:36] <Danu> i know i don't see it
[18:37] <Odd-rationale> Danu: look for the ~/.local folder
[18:37] <Odd-rationale> Danu: you might find the desktop files in there, iirc
[18:38] <Danu> i look in /home/daniel ctrl+h and nothing i don't see .dekstop
[18:38] <Danu> desktop*
[18:39] <Odd-rationale> Danu: ok. i think i didn't make myself clear... :| let's try that again...
[18:39] <Odd-rationale> Danu: look for a ~/.local folder.
[18:39] <Odd-rationale> there is no ~/.desktop folder
[18:39] <Danu> any folder?
[18:40] <Odd-rationale> and in the ~/.local folder, look for .desktop *files*. e.g. chrome.desktop, emule.desktop, etc...
[18:40] <Danu> ok
[18:41] <Danu> i see it now
[18:41] <Danu> but the left button of the mouse does not work, how do i send it to trash?
[18:45] <Odd-rationale> Danu: try shift+del
[18:46] <Danu> sorry it was a blackout
[18:47] <Danu> i don't know how to say it in english!!
[18:47] <Danu> somebody speaks spanish?
[18:48] <Danu> well the computer doesn't response!
[18:49] <Odd-rationale> !es | Danu
[18:50] <Danu> nobody answer me in those channels they say thet use gnome and kde and send me here!
[18:50] <Odd-rationale> :(
[18:51] <Danu> that's my worry
[18:51] <Danu> they sometimes are kinda mean, when i say that i use xfce :(
[18:52] <Odd-rationale> Danu: but were you able to delete those files?
[18:53] <Odd-rationale> like with shift+del ?
[18:53] <Danu> no, the left button doesn't work i don't know why!!!
[18:53] <Odd-rationale> Danu: have another mouse?
[18:54]  * Markopotomus has a question about how to see nfs drives/paritions on the same machine in Xubuntu, but assumes it's an FAQ so is checking the wiki...
[18:54] <Danu> no :(
[18:54] <Odd-rationale> Danu: so how do you click on anything?
[18:55] <Danu> that's the thing, work in others places but not there!
[18:56] <Danu> al entrar a home se cuelga
[18:57] <Danu> sorry*
[18:57] <Danu> enter home doesn't work
[18:57]  * Markopotomus has found what he's looking for.
[18:59] <Danu> well thenks anyway i will have to stay with gnome and kde :(
[18:59] <Danu> bye
[18:59] <Odd-rationale> Danu: ok. see you! hope you come back :)
[18:59] <Danu> i hope 2!
[18:59] <Odd-rationale> sorry i couldn't help more...
[18:59] <frenzy42> how does one do full disk encryption in xubuntu
[19:00] <Odd-rationale> frenzy42: the same way you do it in the other buntus... :P
[19:00] <Odd-rationale> frenzy42: get the alternative cd...
[19:00] <frenzy42> ok, i didn't know if it was on the alternate of xubuntu
[19:00] <frenzy42> i knew is was there for ubuntu
[19:00] <Odd-rationale> in the partitin step, select full disk encryption.
[19:00] <frenzy42> ok
[19:01] <frenzy42> thanks!
[19:01]  * Markopotomus is completely sorted. ALl disks mounted. Sweet.
[19:14] <Catoptromancy> 'hmmm
[19:14] <Catoptromancy> why is the encryption option only on alternate cd?
[19:14] <Odd-rationale> idk...
[19:15] <Odd-rationale> cd disk space?
[19:15] <Catoptromancy> this desktop iso im torrenting is 544 mbs
[19:22] <Catoptromancy> = (
[19:23] <Catoptromancy> i wish they could just merge alternate and desktop
[19:23] <Catoptromancy> hmm maybe I can figure it out and make my own
[19:23] <Catoptromancy> heh
[19:28] <Odd-rationale> Catoptromancy: there is the ubuntu dvd... which  has the desktop, alternative, and server disks all in one...
[19:29] <Catoptromancy> hmm  I didnt see it
[19:29] <Catoptromancy> xubuntu?
[19:29] <Catoptromancy> or gnome
[19:29] <Odd-rationale> one problem, however, is most older machine can't boot from dvd...
[19:29] <Catoptromancy> ill looking into creating one
[19:29] <Odd-rationale> Catoptromancy: ubuntu and kubuntu...
[19:29] <Catoptromancy> on cd
[19:29] <Catoptromancy> depends on how old heh
[19:29] <Catoptromancy> my really old PC cant even install alternate
[19:30] <Catoptromancy> with slelective packages I can fit both on same cd
[19:30] <Catoptromancy> with xfce
[19:30] <Catoptromancy> probably lose the gnome apps, keep OOo
[19:31] <Catoptromancy> still enough packages to be very use as default install
[19:32] <Odd-rationale> i prefer the alt cd anyways... :D
[19:33] <Catoptromancy> ya but having a live one around is cool
[19:33] <Catoptromancy> all I have is alternates
[19:34] <Catoptromancy> the dvd looks cool
[19:35] <Catoptromancy> xfce version would be awesome
[19:35] <Odd-rationale> 4gb to download... :|
[19:35] <Catoptromancy> can even fit kde and xfce on same dvd
[19:35] <Catoptromancy> probably gnome
[20:03] <Catoptromancy> ahh
[20:03] <Catoptromancy> guess ill be stuck to a few discs
[20:04] <Catoptromancy> seems best way
[20:32] <R1cochet> when i try to add files to list in brasero to burn i get " "can't be handled by gstreamer: Make sure the appropriate codec is installed."
[20:32] <R1cochet> but i can play the files in audacious
[20:35] <Odd-rationale> R1cochet: well. audacious doesn't use gstreamer afaik...
[20:35] <R1cochet> ok so then im gonna need to install gstreamer?
[20:35] <Odd-rationale> R1cochet: search synaptics for gstreamer and see if there are any codecs you need to install
[20:35] <R1cochet> cool
[20:35] <Odd-rationale> R1cochet: although i would think that xubuntu-restricted-extras would have it all ... :| idk...
[20:40] <R1cochet> do i need plugins-good-dbg?
[20:41] <Odd-rationale> R1cochet: no. none of the debugs stuff are needed..
[20:42] <R1cochet> fluendo-mp3?
[20:42] <Odd-rationale> R1cochet: maybe, yeah...
[20:43] <R1cochet> ok cuz i have plugins-good and plugins-base
[20:44] <Odd-rationale> R1cochet: do you have the gstreamer ugly plugins?
[20:44] <R1cochet> nope
[20:45] <R1cochet> nor the bad plugins
[20:45] <Odd-rationale> R1cochet: that might be the one you need. or just get the xubuntu-restricted-extras meta packages which will pull it in. along with some other good stuff... :P
[20:46] <R1cochet> well that fluendo did the trick
[20:46] <Odd-rationale> ok
[20:46] <R1cochet> but on this xubuntu-restricted-extras meta packages will that be under gstream?
[20:47] <Odd-rationale> R1cochet: no. search synaptics for xubuntu-restricted-extras
[20:47] <ShackJack> Hi all - I have an odd wi-fi problem with a fresh Hardy install... The Belkin PCMCIA card I have in my (old) notebook works fine with unsecured network (haven't tried WEP), but WPA/WPA2 don't even show up as options for those kinds of networks. Though I can see SSIDS of WPA/WPA2 networks. I have wpa_supplicant installed... Any thoughts?
[20:47] <R1cochet> ty much odd
[20:50] <R1cochet> nice package ty odd
[20:53] <Odd-rationale> R1cochet: np
[20:54] <Jayson_kalmon> hi folks, im new to xubuntu and have a question i hope you can help
[20:54] <Jayson_kalmon> I have the samsung r70 laptop but i cannot get the FN-Keys to work, can ynybody help me?
[20:55] <R1cochet> odd: is there a way to have numkeys enabled on start? i hate having to press numlock all the time
[20:55] <Odd-rationale> !numlock | R1cochet
[20:56] <Jayson_kalmon> i can set the laptop in sleep mode with the fn keys but i cant adjust brightness or sound
[20:59] <Jayson_kalmon> odd:  I have the samsung r70 laptop but i cannot get the FN-Keys to work
[20:59] <Odd-rationale> Jayson_kalmon: must be your keyboard model... i really don't know the fox though... try the forums...
[20:59] <Odd-rationale> *fix
[21:10] <Jayson_kalmon> odd: adjust brightness
[21:11] <Jayson_kalmon> odd: is there a package for adjusting brightness with fn keys?
[21:12] <Odd-rationale> Jayson_kalmon: no there is not... :(
[21:12] <Jayson_kalmon> damn, thx anyway
[21:29] <Jayson_kalmon> odd: how can i view other partitions?
[21:35] <R1cochet> jayson: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions/ThirdPartyNTFS3G
[21:35] <R1cochet> just installed it and works fine
[21:35] <Jayson_kalmon> thx
[21:41] <jimmy_birer> hi allz
[21:42] <jimmy_birer> intrepid alpha was released?=-O
[21:42] <R1cochet> hi
[21:42] <jimmy_birer> Lol
[21:42] <jimmy_birer> it rocks
[21:42] <jimmy_birer> i will upgrade to it
[21:42] <jimmy_birer> if i can=(
[21:42] <jimmy_birer> do you play ricochet?
[21:42] <jimmy_birer> i love that game
[21:44] <R1cochet> play what?
[21:44] <R1cochet> intrepid alpha?
[21:51] <R1cochet> whats the command for terminal?
[21:54] <R1cochet> would like to add it to cairo
[21:57] <zoredache> there is a game named R1cochet that comes as part of the orange box
[22:01] <R1cochet> ohh
[22:01] <R1cochet> i got this nick from a song title
[22:01] <R1cochet> then changed the i to 1
[22:08] <zoredache> ah
[22:21] <WebGuest1>  if i can't compile a kernel for my nvidia drivers, what do i download and where do i put it so i can run the nvidia install script? (no access to internet to get cc)