| LaserJock | I'd like to try to centralize and condense the amount of "info" we have to be easily accessible | 00:00 |
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| Lns | i agree | 00:03 |
| Lns | i have my own wiki page that tries to do that, maybe we can use that as a rough template of sorts | 00:03 |
| Lns | http://lns.wikidot.com/referenceurls is what i was most thinking of | 00:04 |
| Lns | like an index page of all relevant resources | 00:04 |
| LaserJock | definitely something like that | 00:05 |
| Lns | =) | 00:06 |
| Lns | the thing that's most frustrating to me is how to create a single hierarchy of finding WHERE to go...it's multidimensional | 00:06 |
| Lns | you almost need a search algorithm to be efficient | 00:07 |
| LaserJock | so I basically see 3 primary "areas" of documentation | 00:07 |
| LaserJock | 1) about Edubuntu - release notes, why you should use it, it's goals | 00:07 |
| LaserJock | 2) how to get help | 00:07 |
| LaserJock | 3) how to help/contribute | 00:07 |
| Lns | That sounds sane enough | 00:08 |
| LaserJock | so we could basically use one of those index pages for each of those areas | 00:09 |
| Lns | yeah | 00:09 |
| Lns | but the thing is, Xubuntu people, for example, won't look at Edubuntu for any of this | 00:10 |
| LaserJock | well, tbh, I don't want them too :-) | 00:10 |
| LaserJock | *to | 00:10 |
| Lns | But what about cross-distro collaboration on bugs in Gnome vs. ltsp for instance? | 00:10 |
| Lns | Edubuntu and Ubuntu both use gnome as their DE | 00:11 |
| LaserJock | well, ok, here's how I see it | 00:11 |
| LaserJock | if you try to make a "one-size-fits-all" index it will either be so details as to be unnavigable or so vague as to be unhelpful | 00:12 |
| Lns | yeah...that's why i mentioned the search thing above...not that i think that's a good solution, but i agree | 00:12 |
| LaserJock | what we want is for Edubuntu people to easily plug into Edubuntu resources | 00:12 |
| LaserJock | then people who connect groups do their work of getting things where they need to go | 00:12 |
| LaserJock | you leverage the human network to pull everything together | 00:13 |
| Lns | well we need to further distinctify (is that a word?) between edubuntu and ltsp in linux | 00:13 |
| LaserJock | there may be some of that needed | 00:13 |
| Lns | yea | 00:13 |
| LaserJock | because for a while there Edubuntu was LTSP upstream so they got tied together | 00:13 |
| LaserJock | but now we need to sort of pull them back apart | 00:14 |
| LaserJock | so Edubuntu isn't responsible for everything LTSP, and other distros feel free to contribute to the broader LTSP documentation and support | 00:14 |
| Lns | exactly | 00:15 |
| Lns | the links are too hard to find for "normal" people though, to get to the resources they need...i think a catch-all wiki would be a good place to start, that's just me though | 00:16 |
| Lns | i like the idea of the 1) 2) 3) top-level areas though | 00:16 |
| Lns | a filesystem-type drill-down way to get to information | 00:17 |
| LaserJock | well, except those are somewhat notorious for being only intuitive to the person who designed the hierarchy :-) | 00:18 |
| Lns | hehe | 00:18 |
| Lns | i guess that's true | 00:18 |
| Lns | man..this is hard | 00:18 |
| Lns | i almost wish ubuntu didn't have so many different sub-distros | 00:18 |
| LaserJock | "is that Networking -> Server -> Samba or Filesystems -> Network -> Samba" | 00:19 |
| LaserJock | well, don't think of it a sub-distros then :-) | 00:19 |
| Lns | yeah - it's too 2-dimensional | 00:19 |
| Lns | heh | 00:19 |
| Lns | we need a 3D space of areas | 00:19 |
| LaserJock | especially in Edubuntu where we're just an addon | 00:19 |
| Lns | exactly | 00:20 |
| LaserJock | there's really no particular reason to think of us a sub-distro | 00:20 |
| Lns | well i don't really anymore | 00:20 |
| LaserJock | maybe better to think of a Special Interest Group or something | 00:20 |
| Lns | but a lot of people still do, because edubuntu is the first "distro" (back then) that started making thin-client networks easy to deploy | 00:20 |
| Lns | it got stuck with the reputation ;) | 00:20 |
| LaserJock | well, we can do that too | 00:21 |
| LaserJock | that's the beauty of it, IMO, we can be a "distro" to some, "flavor" to others, "those weirdos that hate hard drives" to others ;-) | 00:21 |
| Lns | heh | 00:21 |
| Lns | but how to point those things to the single entity that is edubuntu | 00:22 |
| Lns | you almost need a switchboard operator | 00:22 |
| LaserJock | well, I think when it really comes down to it, nobody cares | 00:22 |
| Lns | i agree with that | 00:22 |
| LaserJock | they're using "something" | 00:22 |
| Lns | they are goal oriented | 00:22 |
| LaserJock | sometimes it has bugs | 00:22 |
| LaserJock | sometimes they need help using it | 00:23 |
| LaserJock | but yeah, they're just trying to do something | 00:23 |
| Lns | maybe that would be a better focus | 00:23 |
| Lns | on the goal, rather than the technology | 00:23 |
| Lns | seems more human | 00:24 |
| Lns | "I want education-related software and themes on my computer" | 00:24 |
| Lns | "I want thin-clients" | 00:24 |
| LaserJock | so ... | 00:25 |
| LaserJock | on my 3 index pages I'd group by those tasks/goals | 00:25 |
| Lns | mmk | 00:26 |
| LaserJock | let's try that out real quick | 00:26 |
| LaserJock | 1) What is Edubuntu? | 00:26 |
| Lns | you want me to do this on my wiki? | 00:26 |
| Lns | i actually can right now | 00:26 |
| LaserJock | * educational OS for kids | 00:27 |
| LaserJock | * thin-client server environment for educational settings | 00:27 |
| stgraber | oh, looks like interesting discussions here | 00:27 |
| LaserJock | * educational content delivery platform | 00:27 |
| Lns | stgraber: feel free to chime in with your thoughts | 00:27 |
| LaserJock | 2) How can I get help? | 00:28 |
| LaserJock | * Help for educational programs | 00:28 |
| LaserJock | * Help for LTSP servers | 00:28 |
| LaserJock | * Help for general issues | 00:29 |
| LaserJock | 3) How can I contribute/help? | 00:29 |
| LaserJock | * General information - mailing lists, IRC, reporting a bug | 00:30 |
| LaserJock | * Making LTSP better | 00:30 |
| LaserJock | * Becoming a part of the Edubuntu team | 00:31 |
| LaserJock | hmm, well, that's what came off the top of my head anyway | 00:31 |
| Lns | it's a great start | 00:32 |
| Lns | let me whip up a page and put those in there | 00:32 |
| stgraber | * Packaging education packages ? (reporting new softwares) | 00:32 |
| LaserJock | yeah, I think that might be a good one | 00:33 |
| Lns | Ok, let's go back to the 3 main areas - i gave them more generic names, what do you think of "About", "Support", and "Contribute" | 00:35 |
| Lns | and i'll put descriptions in those names | 00:36 |
| LaserJock | hmmmm | 00:36 |
| Lns | maybe i'm getting off base | 00:37 |
| Lns | but if these are all going to point to the REAL resources (and not try to just create another fragmented information source), those might be good starting points | 00:38 |
| LaserJock | no, that's good, I just got a lightbulb in my head | 00:40 |
| Lns | I created as generic of a top-level as possible - i called it "Goal Digger" | 00:45 |
| Lns | so there's no way we will have to recreate things from the top | 00:45 |
| Lns | http://lns.wikidot.com/goal-digger | 00:45 |
| Lns | man...i want those [+] things to create a nice menu | 00:46 |
| Lns | but that even seems too 2-dimensional | 00:46 |
| Lns | i'd love to create something that taps into all of the other menus and creates symlink type things | 00:47 |
| Lns | but that's the hierarchy of the wiki itself probably | 00:47 |
| Lns | (sorry talking to myself kinda) | 00:47 |
| Lns | ok, i created a new wiki all together for this, anyone can edit it (can't on the other one i posted) | 00:54 |
| Lns | http://goaldigger.wikidot.com/start | 00:54 |
| Lns | I need to leave, but why don't we keep this URL and start adding web page addresses, IRC resources, mailing list URLs, etc. to it? | 00:56 |
| Lns | I'll be back tomorrow and maybe we can all talk about it more | 00:57 |
| LaserJock | Lns: in a little bit I think I'll have something on edubuntu.org | 00:57 |
| Lns | LaserJock: ok | 00:57 |
| LaserJock | I thought, hmm, why not just rip of the nice work the ubuntu.com webmaster have done :-) | 00:58 |
| Lns | LaserJock: might as well :) | 00:58 |
| LaserJock | so I'm taking http://www.ubuntu.com/community | 00:58 |
| LaserJock | and remolding it into our About, Support, Contribute | 00:58 |
| LaserJock | but I'm going to add Governance on there | 00:58 |
| Lns | ok | 00:59 |
| Lns | alright i'm outtie | 01:01 |
| Lns | let's get back on this tomorrow if possible... ping me if possible, let's keep the ideas flowing | 01:02 |
| Lns | i'll try and get back here asap though | 01:02 |
| LaserJock | stgraber: still around? | 01:06 |
| stgraber | LaserJock: yep | 01:24 |
| LaserJock | stgraber: have a look at http://www.edubuntu.org/node/50 | 01:27 |
| stgraber | LaserJock: access denied | 01:27 |
| LaserJock | stgraber: did you log in? | 01:27 |
| LaserJock | can you log in? | 01:27 |
| stgraber | LaserJock: yeah | 01:28 |
| stgraber | I'm logged in | 01:28 |
| LaserJock | and still nothing? | 01:28 |
| stgraber | but I'm not sure I have much right on the website actually | 01:28 |
| LaserJock | stgraber: try it now | 01:28 |
| stgraber | ok, it worked this time | 01:29 |
| LaserJock | I need icons for the top and to tweak the other section for Edubuntu | 01:30 |
| LaserJock | but I think it might make a good landing spot | 01:30 |
| stgraber | yes and the header is broken on that page | 01:30 |
| LaserJock | yeah, I don't know why, not sure if it's something I did (don't know why that'd happen) or not | 01:31 |
| stgraber | the page doesn't validate, some non-closed tag it looks like | 01:34 |
| stgraber | (according to validator.w3.org) | 01:34 |
| LaserJock | stgraber: ok fixed | 01:37 |
| stgraber | yeah, looks good now. I like the way that page is done | 01:38 |
| === HedgeMage_ is now known as HedgeMage | ||
| sbalneav | Evenin all | 04:03 |
| HedgeMage | hi, sbalneav | 04:03 |
| sbalneav | Evening HedgeMage | 04:08 |
| HedgeMage | how are you tonight? | 04:08 |
| sbalneav | I'm doin' allright, as the song says :) | 04:09 |
| HedgeMage | :) | 04:09 |
| sbalneav | I upgraded my CPU and Ram yesterday, so now I have a CPU that can do full VT, and I can play around with qemu/kvm | 04:15 |
| HedgeMage | cool | 04:16 |
| firewall_03 | I am having trouble getting my wifi card to work with 7.04 its a Dlink Dwl-G650, and I have read through a lot of the docs ubuntus page | 06:23 |
| awilkins | I think you guys underestimate the annoyance of not having a LiveCD ; any chance of a LiveDVD image (I know that edubuntu adds around 430MB) | 10:30 |
| awilkins | Would it be reasonably easy to generate one? | 10:30 |
| === Nubae1 is now known as Nubae | ||
| sbalneav | Morning all | 14:39 |
| ogra | morning s! | 14:42 |
| ogra | :) | 14:42 |
| Voelund | Hey guys! | 14:51 |
| Voelund | I got a problem with GnomePanel! any pro that got some time? | 14:52 |
| Nubae | Voelund: what's the problem? | 14:54 |
| Voelund | :Nubae: Well When i start my system gnomepanel doesnt work so i only see my desktop and no Over and under panels are showing. | 14:55 |
| Voelund | So im on in Failsafe Gnome | 14:56 |
| Voelund | then it works | 14:56 |
| Voelund | My Update download tool isnt working either, but ill fix that later. | 14:56 |
| Voelund | Im not so good on the terminal, any command i can use to repair Gnome? | 14:57 |
| sbalneav | Simplest way to do that would be to log in as yourself on a text screen | 14:59 |
| sbalneav | and type the following command: | 14:59 |
| sbalneav | gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/panel | 14:59 |
| sbalneav | That will reset panel configs back to the default | 14:59 |
| sbalneav | log in again on the console, and you should have the "default" Ubuntu panel config. | 15:00 |
| Voelund | okay, ill try that | 15:00 |
| Voelund | shouldnt i do that in root? | 15:02 |
| Voelund | Ill try relogg then. brb | 15:03 |
| Voelund | ill tell you how it went | 15:03 |
| LaserJock | Lns: around? | 18:17 |
| Lns | LaserJock: just got in | 18:32 |
| Lns | What's up? | 18:32 |
| LaserJock | Lns: http://edubuntu.org/node/50 | 18:35 |
| Lns | LaserJock: nice! =) | 18:36 |
| Lns | looks strangely familiar ;) | 18:36 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 18:36 |
| LaserJock | it's not fully "edubuntuized" yet | 18:37 |
| Lns | yeah, great start though | 18:37 |
| LaserJock | but I think it might make a good "landing spot" for people | 18:37 |
| Lns | most definitely | 18:37 |
| Lns | Do we want to keep this focussed on *buntu ? Or should we incorporate other distros? | 18:37 |
| LaserJock | I want it focused on Edubuntu specifically | 18:39 |
| Lns | ok - so the educational apps specifically, or LTSP resources as well? | 18:39 |
| LaserJock | and then some place like ltsp.org could then pull the distros together | 18:39 |
| Lns | gotcha | 18:39 |
| Lns | I'd like to get in contact with the maintainers of ltsp.org regarding a revamp if possible | 18:40 |
| Lns | it would be the sensible 'hub' for all things ltsp | 18:40 |
| Lns | obviously heh | 18:40 |
| LaserJock | well, sometimes the most obvious places don't end up being where things are at, for one reason or another | 18:41 |
| Lns | yeah | 18:41 |
| Lns | like whitehouse.com ;) | 18:41 |
| LaserJock | haha | 18:41 |
| Lns | LaserJock: Also, have you checked out schoolforge.net ? That might be some people we can collaborate with | 18:41 |
| Lns | Last night I was thinking about starting a non-profit regarding FOSS in education and other places, but they seem to have the ball rolling already | 18:41 |
| Lns | It would be fun to see how much momentum we can get regarding consolidating all of this information | 18:42 |
| Nubae | Lns: I've incorporated some of what you put in your getting started pdf into the official ltsp documentation | 18:45 |
| Lns | Nubae: oh wow | 18:45 |
| Lns | :) | 18:45 |
| Lns | thank you! | 18:45 |
| Lns | I wasn't sure if it was good enough to put in something like that heh | 18:46 |
| Nubae | misbehaving processes, user management | 18:46 |
| Lns | awesome | 18:46 |
| Nubae | sure it was :-) and thankyou | 18:46 |
| Lns | One thing you might want to add, well..actually i should file a bug, is that KUser is flawed when run from Gnome - you have to modify the .desktop file to run "gksudo kuser" instead of the default exec= line | 18:47 |
| Lns | otherwise it doesn't elevate your privs correctly and won't work | 18:47 |
| LaserJock | Lns: why are you using kuser? | 18:48 |
| Lns | LaserJock: Mainly because there are sorting/searching issues with gnome-users-admin | 18:48 |
| Lns | (it doesn't work) | 18:48 |
| LaserJock | perhaps we should fix that | 18:48 |
| Lns | There's a filed bug already | 18:48 |
| Lns | lemme dig it up | 18:49 |
| Lns | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-tools/+bug/259163 | 18:49 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 259163 in gnome-system-tools "users-admin does not sort when Name/Login/Homedir field clicked" [Undecided,New] | 18:49 |
| LaserJock | while I appreciate the constraints school admins are under, etc. people are waaaaay too hack-happy in Edubuntu :-) | 18:49 |
| Lns | LaserJock: what do you mean? | 18:50 |
| LaserJock | I mean, I've never seen a community so eager for nasty hacks, workarounds, or ditching programs | 18:50 |
| LaserJock | I understand the reasons why, but it's really not helpful for developers | 18:51 |
| Lns | I agree | 18:51 |
| Lns | I see that is a big problem for the long-term acceptance of edubuntu | 18:52 |
| Lns | people need things to work, but these hacks break upgrades and just cause fragmentation | 18:52 |
| LaserJock | ok, so this bug is a good point | 18:52 |
| sbalneav | LaserJock: hey hey | 18:52 |
| LaserJock | you've filed the bug not against ltsp, that's good | 18:53 |
| LaserJock | *but* Edubuntu won't know about it at all | 18:53 |
| LaserJock | perhaps we should start either using a tag or subscribing to these bugs | 18:53 |
| LaserJock | sbalneav: morning | 18:53 |
| Lns | LaserJock: what about triaging? would that work in this case? | 18:53 |
| LaserJock | well, but we have to know the bugs exist first | 18:54 |
| * Lns is still learning about the bug proces | 18:54 | |
| Lns | s* | 18:54 |
| Lns | hmm | 18:54 |
| Lns | you know what i've seen before, which i'm not sure is present or not in LP, but in Mozilla bugzilla, is a default e-mail list whenever a bug is created | 18:54 |
| LaserJock | so the problem is we have a "radar" ( https://bugs.launchpad.net/~edubuntu-bugs/+packagebugs ) but if a bug doesn't get on the radar we're not going to know about it | 18:54 |
| Lns | "Bug e-mail sent to foo@foo, bar@bar, etc" | 18:55 |
| sbalneav | LaserJock: So, see the post about getting the DebuggingLTSP page as our central point for "bugs that affect LTSP deployments"? | 18:55 |
| LaserJock | right, well, Edubuntu isn't going to subscribe to *every* bug in Ubuntu | 18:55 |
| Lns | LaserJock: right - well critical, default packages like this do effect all *buntus | 18:55 |
| LaserJock | sbalneav: briefly (trying to get some research done this morning), did you create that page? | 18:55 |
| LaserJock | Lns: right, but right now there are 200 open bugs on the package you filed that bug against | 18:56 |
| Lns | wow | 18:56 |
| Lns | that's...good? :p | 18:56 |
| LaserJock | Lns: having an edubuntu developer know it's there so they can either 1) fix it or 2) push it forward is important | 18:56 |
| LaserJock | so we have 2 good options, tagging and subscribing | 18:57 |
| LaserJock | Lns: the kernel has ~3500 open bugs :-) | 18:57 |
| Lns | LaserJock: well...a kernel vs. a user admin gui... a bit different. Of course IANAP so i'll shut up ;) | 18:58 |
| LaserJock | they are different, but people still have to look at them | 18:58 |
| Lns | But that particular bug has been present for a loooong time..i was just surprised that it wasn't reported earlier than i did | 18:58 |
| LaserJock | Ubuntu right now has ~48k bugs open | 18:58 |
| LaserJock | we need to be able to get Edubuntu people's bugs fixed in all that | 18:59 |
| LaserJock | 48k bugs and < 200 developers | 18:59 |
| sbalneav | LaserJock: No, it was already there, but very sparsly filled. I figure rather than a new page, we could expand that one. | 18:59 |
| Lns | Well I have some good feedback from my site techs regarding issues (they love to complain about everything ;) ) so I can always somehow report them back here | 18:59 |
| Lns | probably on a schedule or something | 18:59 |
| Lns | Is there a meeting scheudle for simply reporting issues with Edubuntu? | 19:00 |
| LaserJock | sbalneav: ok good, I think that's a *perfect* place to tie into the existing QA work | 19:00 |
| LaserJock | Lns: no, that's generally not productive | 19:00 |
| Lns | ok | 19:01 |
| Lns | so just tagging edubuntu bugsquad to filing my bugs will probably suffice | 19:01 |
| LaserJock | complaints are almost always too general to do much with, and people just go around and around | 19:01 |
| LaserJock | it might be helpful for people to vent | 19:02 |
| LaserJock | but I'd rather they vent in the direction of LP so we can do something about it | 19:02 |
| Lns | LaserJock: oh no, i agree - I can translate those complaints into bug reports and get us informed on them though - because, unfortunately, 90% of the complaints I get are actually bug-related | 19:02 |
| LaserJock | sure, the more bug reports the better | 19:03 |
| * Lns just joined Edubuntu bugsquad | 19:03 | |
| LaserJock | ogra: you have a quick second? | 19:03 |
| LaserJock | sbalneav: do you have any feeling about how non-ltsp bugs should get on the Edubuntu radar? | 19:06 |
| LaserJock | my feeling is subscribing is the best way to go, although tags are a bit easier to do | 19:07 |
| LaserJock | Lns: dude, your first name is Jordan? | 19:07 |
| Lns | yes | 19:07 |
| LaserJock | cool, so is mine | 19:08 |
| Lns | oh wow hehe! | 19:08 |
| LaserJock | my wife always tells me it's a girls name :-) | 19:08 |
| Lns | so you're probably Mantha on the lists? | 19:09 |
| Lns | haha... it's both dammit! | 19:09 |
| Lns | It's definitely more masculine than "Jordina" haha | 19:09 |
| Lns | which a friend of mine loves to call me...hate that guy :p | 19:10 |
| LaserJock | lol | 19:10 |
| LaserJock | well, I live in city with fairly large hispanic population so I'm usually Jorge | 19:11 |
| Lns | hahaha.. i've never been called that..i live in northern california, which also has a good hispanic population.. i kinda like that though | 19:12 |
| sbalneav | LaserJock: Well, I'm perfectly happy to subscribe to them as a developer, but I'm just one guy. What we need is some end-user agitation to "bump up the priority" on those bugs, and get them taken seriously. | 19:12 |
| sbalneav | That was why I thought the wiki page with the pointers TO the bugs we're targetting might be a good way to pull in the community to add their voice to the mix. | 19:13 |
| LaserJock | Lns: where do you live?? | 19:13 |
| Lns | sbalneav: I had started to do that on my own wiki (pointing to bugs) - it seemed, at least to me, to be a great help and an easy way to keep up to date | 19:13 |
| Lns | LaserJock: About 1hr north of San Francisco | 19:14 |
| LaserJock | sbalneav: right, but from my perspective I need them on my radar so that I can "pimp your bug" ;-) | 19:14 |
| LaserJock | Lns: funny, I'm in Reno | 19:14 |
| Lns | LaserJock: oh wow! | 19:14 |
| Lns | I'm in Santa Rosa | 19:14 |
| LaserJock | oh, I bet it's nice there | 19:15 |
| Lns | LaserJock: you know what, "Pimp my bug" would be an awesome domain for bug collaboration :p | 19:15 |
| Lns | It's ok... great mexican food :) | 19:15 |
| Lns | it's been hot as hell though.. how's it out there? My mom was once considering moving to Reno, she liked it a lot up there | 19:16 |
| LaserJock | Lns: you been to Reno, other than Lake Tahoe it's a desert | 19:16 |
| sbalneav | LaserJock: yeah, so subcribining will fix that I think. | 19:16 |
| sbalneav | As for pimping my bugs, I want bling and pretty things that spin. | 19:16 |
| Lns | I haven't even been to LT since I was a kid | 19:16 |
| sbalneav | Oooh, and a boss sound system | 19:16 |
| Lns | LOL | 19:17 |
| sbalneav | And hydraulics | 19:17 |
| LaserJock | "dude, look at the grill on that bug, that's haaawt!" | 19:17 |
| Lns | We should pool in for a LaunchPad ride | 19:17 |
| * sbalneav imagines LaserJock as X-Hibit | 19:17 | |
| * sbalneav makes gang signs with his hands | 19:18 | |
| sbalneav | Did I ever tell you I had plans to start up my own Rap group? | 19:18 |
| LaserJock | hmm, I don't think I have enough hair left for corn-rows :-) | 19:18 |
| Lns | careful sbalneav ...there might be some Redhat members in here ;) | 19:18 |
| sbalneav | I was gonna call it "Plain White Rapper" | 19:18 |
| sbalneav | badum-bum | 19:18 |
| Lns | ... | 19:18 |
| * Lns walks away slowly | 19:18 | |
| * LaserJock just about falls out of his chair imaging that | 19:19 | |
| LaserJock | *imagining | 19:19 |
| LaserJock | sbalneav: perhaps LTSP needs an equivalent of that "Kill -9" song ;-) | 19:19 |
| sbalneav | sudo pimp my bugs | 19:20 |
| sbalneav | Oh, the fun we have :) | 19:20 |
| * Lns goes to apt-get install pimp | 19:20 | |
| LaserJock | dude, it'd turn bug #s into ASCII art :-) | 19:20 |
| LaserJock | with a gold chain | 19:20 |
| Lns | oh man | 19:20 |
| sbalneav | " | 19:20 |
| sbalneav | o< | 19:21 |
| sbalneav | " | 19:21 |
| sbalneav | What wasn't a very good bug | 19:21 |
| sbalneav | Sorry, That | 19:21 |
| LaserJock | lol | 19:21 |
| Lns | "ASCii stupid question, get a stupid ANSi" | 19:21 |
| sbalneav | lol | 19:21 |
| sbalneav | hmm | 19:21 |
| * Lns misses the BBS days | 19:21 | |
| Goosemoose | when writing a preseed file: d-i preseed/late_command string wget http://10.0.2.131/post_install_tasks && chmod +x ./post_install_tasks && ./post_install_tasks returns 'failed with exit code 127'. but if i run it on the machine after install it works fine | 19:22 |
| Goosemoose | any idea what i need to change? | 19:22 |
| sbalneav | Hmm, not sure. | 19:23 |
| LaserJock | Goosemoose: have you tried talking to #ubuntu? | 19:23 |
| LaserJock | preseed issues should be non-Edubuntu specific and you might get more exposure | 19:23 |
| Goosemoose | LaserJock, yes i tried there and got no response | 19:24 |
| Goosemoose | tried ubuntu-server but its dead | 19:24 |
| LaserJock | hmm | 19:25 |
| sbalneav | Goosemoose: Can you tell where it's failing at? For instance: If you shorten it to just the wget, does the file come down? | 19:27 |
| sbalneav | Wonder if this might be an issue? | 19:28 |
| sbalneav | http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-boot@lists.debian.org/msg100804.html | 19:28 |
| sbalneav | They seem to indicate creating a udeb, then putting the script in that | 19:28 |
| Goosemoose | the wget works fine | 19:32 |
| Goosemoose | no error returned | 19:32 |
| Goosemoose | so it has to be the part after | 19:32 |
| Goosemoose | but if i type it on the command line it works fine | 19:32 |
| Goosemoose | this isn't an interactive script though | 19:33 |
| Goosemoose | it just joins the domain | 19:33 |
| sbalneav | Does it produce output? | 19:37 |
| sbalneav | I wonder if it doesn't like any output produced. Maybe ./post_install_tasks returns > /dev/null 2>&1 | 19:38 |
| Goosemoose | might be | 19:43 |
| Goosemoose | hmm | 19:43 |
| jimmy_birer | hi | 19:55 |
| LaserJock | hello | 19:56 |
| sbalneav | "I expect the -devel list to pick up soonish" | 20:17 |
| sbalneav | Should be my new .signature. | 20:17 |
| * Lns sees that just communicating with the community is a full-time job ;) | 20:17 | |
| sbalneav | Well, this is it. | 20:17 |
| sbalneav | I'm at my full-time job, frantically trying to do my work I get paid for, PLUS answer emails, PLUS monitor the IRC channel. | 20:18 |
| LaserJock | so true | 20:18 |
| LaserJock | I'm preparing to teach lab, trying to write a journal article and dissertation, work on edubuntu.org ... | 20:18 |
| Lns | Im trying to stay afloat with my own business, support an employee, and pay my bills...along with this :) | 20:19 |
| LaserJock | yep, such is life in FLOSS much of the time | 20:19 |
| * Lns is proud to be considered part of the OSS community | 20:20 | |
| jimmy_birer | :d | 20:21 |
| jimmy_birer | :d | 20:21 |
| Lns | I would recommend a stress reliever ... I just got this from Thinkgeek..I can't wait for it to arrive. http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/cubegoodies/922f/ | 20:21 |
| jimmy_birer | edubuntu system requirements? | 20:22 |
| jimmy_birer | i have 8 MB of ram | 20:22 |
| jimmy_birer | :D | 20:22 |
| LaserJock | ... okaaay | 20:23 |
| Lns | wow...was that kinda like a doorbell ditch? | 20:23 |
| sbalneav | I was gonna tell him that 8MB of ram was a real Kickass DOS 3.3 system | 20:24 |
| LaserJock | at least it wasn't a flaming paper bag ;-) | 20:24 |
| Lns | heh | 20:24 |
| Lns | SO... anyone have any comment on this Firefox 3.01 issue? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=453704 | 20:25 |
| ubottu | Mozilla bug 453704 in General "Extreme slowness, "Firefox is already running" error for >3 users launching Firefox in LTSP environment" [Critical,Unconfirmed] | 20:26 |
| johnny | never seen it | 20:26 |
| johnny | no firefox errors here.. | 20:26 |
| Lns | johnny: how many users do you have on at the same time? | 20:26 |
| Lns | I haven't seen it at my office, but there are only 2 TCs | 20:26 |
| johnny | 4 :) | 20:26 |
| Lns | hehe | 20:26 |
| johnny | so.. >3 :) | 20:26 |
| Lns | well it's an estimation | 20:27 |
| Lns | and in my situation about 35 users will be logging on, all at once | 20:27 |
| johnny | i really don't see how it would be a problem.. | 20:27 |
| johnny | slowness maybe, but not "firefox is already running" | 20:27 |
| Lns | Right...i agree, it's strange. | 20:27 |
| johnny | that problem disappeared for me | 20:27 |
| johnny | after firefox 3 | 20:27 |
| Lns | But it's definitely present at 7 of my sites | 20:28 |
| Lns | johnny: well it actually started happening for me after upgrading to Hardy | 20:28 |
| Lns | Gutsy worked great in Firefox (minus the whole pixmap issue) | 20:28 |
| Lns | But this issue is causing teachers and labtechs to revert to Windows 2000 :( | 20:29 |
| Lns | They're starting to hate the "new Linux system" with a passion | 20:29 |
| johnny | i had the opposite | 20:30 |
| Lns | Well maybe it's safe to say that the problem occurs when more than 10 users log on simultaneously | 20:30 |
| johnny | i had the "firefox is already running" on gutsy for every user | 20:30 |
| johnny | even just my 4 | 20:30 |
| Lns | The thing is, with mine, that error starts cropping up after ~3-5 minutes of lag-time after trying to launch Firefox. | 20:31 |
| johnny | switch from firefox to seamonkey maybe? | 20:31 |
| Lns | Some students will see the "Launching Firefox" panel tab dissapear after that amount of time, and when they try again, it will spew the error. | 20:31 |
| Lns | johnny: that's not a good idea for me. | 20:32 |
| Lns | And really, switching software because there's an issue will never get the issue resolved for others. | 20:33 |
| Lns | Which is extremely counterproductive for the community. | 20:33 |
| johnny | sure.. but it'll get your folks working | 20:33 |
| johnny | and prove what the issue is | 20:33 |
| johnny | especially since they should both be based on xulrunner | 20:34 |
| Lns | I'll try seamonkey out myself... i was thinking of epiphany as a temporary solution, but the thing is, i will need java/flash as they require it for typing programs and ciriculums | 20:37 |
| johnny | flash is still going to be a problem | 20:38 |
| johnny | until you can run it locally | 20:38 |
| Lns | yeah - and java it looks like too | 20:38 |
| Lns | so....no go for that | 20:39 |
| johnny | running it locally seems feasible these days.. with newer ssh | 20:39 |
| johnny | yay.. | 20:39 |
| Lns | I'd rather just fix my issue than try a time consuming workaround ;) | 20:39 |
| johnny | sounds like fixing your issue is going to be time consuming | 20:40 |
| Lns | it has been | 20:40 |
| johnny | perhaps even more so | 20:40 |
| Lns | i'd still rather spend my time on fixing it | 20:40 |
| johnny | flash in itself is broken | 20:40 |
| Lns | ugh...flash is fine johnny :) it's just the launching of firefox that's my issue | 20:40 |
| johnny | i have problems with flash. damn thing eats up all the cpu | 20:41 |
| johnny | had to kill it | 20:41 |
| Lns | sorry :) works great for me, even with 35 users on it | 20:41 |
| Lns | what version you using? | 20:41 |
| johnny | whatever is in ubuntu | 20:41 |
| johnny | newest | 20:41 |
| Lns | what's your server hardware? what's the sites you're going to? | 20:42 |
| johnny | i don't pay attention to what folks are doing on the pcs really | 20:43 |
| johnny | i just know what i see in the process list | 20:43 |
| johnny | it's just a standard dual core with 2gb ram | 20:43 |
| johnny | not enterprise grade of any sort | 20:43 |
| Lns | johnny: you're running a small inet cafe right? | 20:43 |
| johnny | being that i only have 4 terminals | 20:43 |
| johnny | but it does run the point of sale system too | 20:43 |
| johnny | and play music | 20:43 |
| Lns | k | 20:44 |
| Lns | well what i've always done is manually drop the flash plugin in /usr/share/firefox-3.0/plugins instead of using the ubuntu packages | 20:44 |
| Lns | since i used to have issues, this is the best/easiest way to upgrade from adobe anyway, imho | 20:44 |
| Lns | johnny: you're using flashplugin-nonfree? | 20:45 |
| johnny | i was | 20:45 |
| johnny | we don't have sound anyways | 20:45 |
| johnny | so it's not that big of a deal | 20:45 |
| Lns | ok.. :p | 20:46 |
| Lns | so you just wanted to vent, eh? | 20:46 |
| Lns | hehe | 20:46 |
| johnny | irritated at adobe | 20:46 |
| Lns | join the club! :p | 20:48 |
| Lns | So it looks like gnome-watchdog is cleaning up pretty well at my test-sites | 20:51 |
| johnny | my folks never logout, so i haven't bothered with it | 20:51 |
| johnny | i just leave em up all day | 20:51 |
| johnny | and then run a script | 20:51 |
| johnny | at the end of the day | 20:52 |
| Lns | mainly gnome-panel, gconfd-2, bonobo-activati | 20:52 |
| Lns | johnny: a script to do what? | 20:52 |
| johnny | a loop on all members of group terminal | 20:52 |
| johnny | terminals* | 20:52 |
| johnny | pkill -u $user | 20:53 |
| johnny | umount /home/$user/.gvfs | 20:53 |
| johnny | copy server keys to /home/$user | 20:53 |
| sbalneav | Is anyone else getting emails from Nicholas Kendell everytime they post to edubuntu-users? | 20:53 |
| johnny | oh.. forgot the rm -rf /home/$users/. | 20:53 |
| johnny | before the server key copying | 20:54 |
| johnny | that runs on a cron every night | 20:54 |
| johnny | that way when folks close down the store | 20:54 |
| johnny | they don'th ave to remember to logout | 20:54 |
| johnny | just power em off | 20:54 |
| johnny | gvfs irritates me | 20:56 |
| johnny | when it doesn't let go when killed | 20:56 |
| johnny | lsof always complians | 20:56 |
| johnny | :( | 20:56 |
| Lns | sbalneav: yes i am | 20:58 |
| sbalneav | ok | 20:58 |
| sbalneav | I'll give it a couple of days. If it doesn't stop, I'll contact the list admin. | 20:58 |
| Lns | cool | 20:59 |
| johnny | transport endpoint not connected.. | 21:09 |
| * johnny kicks it | 21:09 | |
| DrX | anyone know of a good FREE cross platform (lin&win) email client that, unlike Thunderbird, has no database size limit, or at least a larger than 6GB limit? | 22:01 |
| johnny | i didn't know it had a limit | 22:02 |
| johnny | you're in the wrong channel tho.. try something more general | 22:03 |
| johnny | i wonder if claws is cross platform.. | 22:03 |
| DrX | y, thunderbird 2 has a nasty 4.81GB database size limit | 22:05 |
| johnny | what error does it say? | 22:06 |
| johnny | in case i run into that.. | 22:06 |
| johnny | i use imap for mail anyways | 22:06 |
| sbalneav | Yeah, same here. | 22:07 |
| Goosemoose | i have one screen that pops up when doing preseed pxe install that says the 'selected device already contains logical volumes'. I thought that this would take care of it, but it doesn't: d-i partman-auto/purge_lvm_from_device boolean true | 22:07 |
| sbalneav | Personally, I'd say if you've got more than 4 gigs of mail in one folder, you need some sub folders. | 22:07 |
| Goosemoose | any idea what im missing? | 22:07 |
| Goosemoose | no ones in the ubuntu-server room | 22:07 |
| DrX | no,it's the whole database, not 1 folder | 22:08 |
| johnny | where did you find out about this limit? | 22:08 |
| DrX | ran into it, looked it up, it's a fact, man | 22:09 |
| sbalneav | I've never run into it myself. | 22:11 |
| sbalneav | But then again, I mostly use mutt | 22:11 |
| DrX | oh, it hurts, it hurts | 22:11 |
| DrX | that work in WIN? | 22:11 |
| sbalneav | No idea, I haven't used windows in a long time. | 22:11 |
| sbalneav | mutt's a text based client | 22:12 |
| sbalneav | runs on the console or in a xterm | 22:12 |
| sbalneav | might run under cygwin or the like. | 22:12 |
| sbalneav | DrX: According to this, looks like you can: http://www.geocities.com/win32mutt/win32.html | 22:16 |
| sbalneav | Of course, it's not a graphical mail reader. | 22:16 |
| sbalneav | DrX: "There is no known limit on the number of folders. The maximum size of a folder is 4GB unless the file system limits the maximum file size to a lower value." | 22:19 |
| sbalneav | So, it's not total, just 4 gig per folder. Could you split up some folders? If you gave us a clue as to why you have so much data, we might be able to suggest something else. | 22:21 |
| sbalneav | Goosemoose: Did piping to /dev/null fix the other problem? | 22:22 |
| DrX | i'm going to try that, but I think it's 4GB per account, not folder | 22:22 |
| Goosemoose | sbalneav, it worked on testing from the terminal i havent tried reimaging first | 22:23 |
| sbalneav | Not according to the Limits page I read on the knowledge base. | 22:23 |
| Goosemoose | i wanted to find the other answer before i started a 30 min imaging | 22:23 |
| sbalneav | heh | 22:23 |
| sbalneav | Not sure of your other question. | 22:23 |
| sbalneav | Well, I'm off for home. Be on later tonight. | 22:23 |
| Goosemoose | ok im just going to runn it then | 22:23 |
| Goosemoose | ok thanks for the help | 22:24 |
| sbalneav | np | 22:24 |
| * LaserJock staggers in after 2.5 hrs of General Chemistry for Scientists and Engineers I | 23:26 | |
| * Lns begs LaserJock not to blow up the chan | 23:32 | |
| LaserJock | one wouldn't think a "let's find the mass and density of 60 pennies" would be so tiring | 23:32 |
| LaserJock | although much of it was the ~45 minutes spent in the computer lab showing them how to use Excel | 23:33 |
| Lns | heh | 23:34 |
| Lns | I've found it generally enjoyable to not broadcast your computer knowledge to random people ;) | 23:34 |
| LaserJock | I'm supposed to be teaching them, I'm sort of obligated ;-) | 23:40 |
| Lns | oh. | 23:41 |
| Lns | :p | 23:41 |
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