[00:00] Right. I meant kdenetwork. [00:00] NCommander: BTW, it's Riddell's key on the upload for kdelibs in Intrepid. [00:00] ScottK, the same patch applies to both, just tweak the changelog [00:00] NCommander: You sure? [00:01] ScottK, yeah, it should apply cleanly [00:01] Didn't apply for me, but maybe I messed up. [00:01] NCommander: is it a problem? [00:01] ScottK-laptop, I can roll the debdiff myself then [00:01] Riddell, no, we just found a better fix for the problem I'm testing building [00:01] Riddell: master dirk made a better fix today in KDE svn [00:01] oh, groovy [00:01] * ScottK-laptop goes afk for a bit. [00:03] Riddell, can you upload a fix for hardy-proposed on powerpc? (its a no-changes binary rebuild to clear a segfault; I've confirmed it works right already) [00:03] NCommander: if you get it to me quick [00:03] NCommander: We don't have binary rebuilds in Ubuntu. Needs a source upload and rebuilt on all archs. [00:04] ScottK, right, I realize that. No changes binary rebuild == changelog only upload [00:04] Riddell, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-python-extras/+bug/181068 [00:05] Launchpad bug 181068 in gnome-python-extras "miro.real crashed with SystemError in MozillaBrowser() on PPC" [Low,Confirmed] [00:05] THe trick is going to be finding someone on ubuntu-sru to ACK that, I don't think any of them run PowerPC [00:06] ScottK-laptop, I'm rolling the backports fix now [00:18] NCommander: uploaded, it'll sit in unapproved which usually gets reviewed by pitti on fridays [00:18] Riddell, thanks, I owe you one :-) [00:24] is anyone here running hardy ... and has a distribution list in kmail/kaddressbook that was added in gutsy (or prior release) [00:43] It is a sin to make KDE look like this: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/10104129/20071020-adept.png [00:45] Exit? Does that close the dialog or close adept manager? [00:45] seele: that's from adept2 [00:45] oh [00:45] I am going through old bug reports [00:46] hmm.. dinner or more cake? [00:57] Someone know the correct alternative of "update-manager -d" for kubuntu? [00:57] hi, btw [01:00] best ask in #kubuntu [01:03] ScottK, ping? [01:04] apachelogger, Riddell or anyone: please have a look at http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=kopete-cryptography for me [01:09] mornfall: is bugs.kde.org working for you yet? [01:10] I have a reproducible way to give a package the description of another package [01:10] in Adept Installer === kde_pepo is now known as kdepepo [01:15] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adept/+bug/268106/comments/6 [01:15] Launchpad bug 268106 in adept "On the Add/Remove Adept, software called "Krita" for Gimp packages" [Low,Triaged] [01:15] ^Reproduction instructions are in the comment, both of those packages should be in Debian [01:18] otherwise see http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=170835 [01:18] KDE bug 170835 in general "Searching applications gives first result the description of the last expanded package" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [01:27] stdin: get-orig-source not worky [01:27] no? it worked here [01:28] http://paste.ubuntu.com/45565/ [01:28] ahh, poop [01:29] doc/ is gfdl [01:30] oh [01:30] /doc/index.docbook: GNU Free Documentation License version 1.2 [01:30] yeah [01:30] you should note that in the on debian system... as well [01:31] the GFDL license is in common-licenses [01:31] oh, yes it is :p [01:32] I am too tired to give it a full revu [01:32] the changelog entry should mention the FFe and fix the FFe bug [01:33] apachelogger: do you know a good authoritative way of getting the base kde version? I'm using kdelibs5 in the rules but that blows up [01:33] and I really don't want to have to reinvent uscan in Makefile speak [01:34] stdin: tear the original name apart [01:35] of course I have no idea how to do that in make :P [01:35] stdin: alternately you could just take a look at the other extragear apps [01:35] because I think we pretty much don't care if watch is actually useful for downloads :P [01:40] they all keep the -kde4.1.1, the lazy buggers :| [01:41] that is called productivity I guess :P [01:41] * apachelogger goes to bed [01:41] nini [01:42] I'll upload another version tomorrow, sleep sounds too good [02:38] NCommander: Back [02:39] front. [02:39] ;-) [02:40] omg [02:41] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adept [02:41] Adept is completely triaged [02:41] oh, actually a few reports still need to be forwarded upstream, grr === kde_pepo is now known as kdepepo [02:52] hello people [02:52] someone have kubuntu intrepid up? [02:53] hell emgent [02:53] hello emgent [02:53] my touchpad and usb mouse seems dead [02:55] ok found the problem :) [03:00] wb ScottK [03:00] ScottK, I have your backport :-P [03:06] K. [03:06] URL please? [03:06] ScottK, hold on [03:07] ScottK, https://edge.launchpad.net/~sonicmctails/+archive?field.name_filter=kdenetwork&field.status_filter=published [03:07] ScottK, it will probably FTBFS since the PPA doesn't have backports enabled [03:08] Oh wait, scratch that [03:08] * NCommander just posts the debdiff somewhere [03:09] Thanks. I prefer that. [03:09] ScottK-laptop, http://paste.ubuntu.com/45589/ [03:09] I didn't see the need to open a bug since I don't know what it should have for a upload [03:09] Bug wouldn't autoclose in backports anyway. [03:10] ScottK-laptop, oh, thats "wonderful" [03:10] ScottK-laptop, I'm going to attack the Incomplete queue on hardy backports relatively soon (aka, this weekend) [03:10] K. [03:11] I think I need to empty out my PPA [03:12] ScottK-laptop, care to upload the new kdelibs? [03:17] * NCommander can't get a clean debdiff [03:19] ScottK, the clean rules is pretty badly broken on kdelibs-3.5.10, its causing the .diff.gz to be bloated to 720k, and the debdiff to 500k [03:20] ScottK, its all the translations that are getting caught in the debdiff, and I have no idea how to fix this clean rule (and I'm sorta hesitant to even touch it) [03:23] ScottK, do you want me to bother changing the clean rule and possibly break it worse to try and get a clean diff, or not bother? [03:29] * NCommander checks ScottK's pulse === Czessi_ is now known as Czessi [03:31] mornfall: Triaging is also complete. Here is a list of all the bugs in the Ubuntu bugtracker that concern you as upstream: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adept/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_supervisor=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=&field.status_upstream=open_upstream&field.status_upstream-empty-marker=1&field.omit_dupes.used=& [03:31] field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch.used=&field.has_cve.used=&field.tag=&field.tags_combinator=ANY&search=Search [03:32] er, that's a long link and konversation broke it [03:32] apachelogger: do want battiny script [03:32] mornfall: http://tinyurl.com/5sw2hd [03:33] NCommander: I'd like the minimal fix that's gonna work. [03:33] ah the joys of fixing backport clean rules [03:34] ScottK, the debdiff still going to be huge however because it needs to decruft the previous upload [03:35] OK. [03:35] Which change are we on now? [03:35] I thought kdelibs was broken in Intrepid? [03:36] ScottK-laptop, thats the one, sorry, misremembered which version I was fixing [03:36] (this is fun :-)) [03:36] jtechidna: that's amazing. good job! [03:36] K [03:36] ScottK-laptop, I just really need to cut the diff down the size, but its going to be a huge debdiff to remove the cruft [03:36] yuriy: to tell you the truth I'm somewhat exhausted [03:37] NCommander: Do we really want to mess with it? If you say yes, I'll believe you. [03:37] ScottK-laptop, your the one who said you wanted a clean diff ;-) [03:38] Did I? [03:38] I thought I said I wanted the minimal fix that would work. [03:38] [22:33] NCommander: I'd like the minimal fix that's gonna work. [03:39] ScottK, Oh, the fix is in there, there is just a lot of cruft in the patch from the bad clean rule (it regenerated the .pos, and all that got caught up in the diff) [03:41] ScottK, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/+bug/268817 [03:41] Launchpad bug 268817 in kdelibs "Patch to re-enable inotify on all architectures" [Undecided,New] [03:41] * ScottK-laptop looks [03:42] * NCommander hears Scott's eyes sizzle [03:43] NCommander: At a glance, the changes in messages.po don't look right. [03:45] ScottK, dah, I accidently clobbered the good diff with my work in progress one [03:45] 'doh [03:45] Oh wait [03:45] Er [03:45] No, this is what regenerated [03:45] ScottK, I have no idea its constantly regenerating these [03:48] Wahoo. Diff is less than 20,000 lines. [03:48] * NCommander sighs [03:48] The actual changes are less than 200 lines [03:49] How about you make me a special diff with just those lines and we go from there. [03:49] ScottK, yes sire :-P [03:49] IME applying 8,000 lines of .po file diff rarely ends well. [03:50] ScottK, Riddell didn't even try, he just uploaded from my PPA [03:51] I'll see what I can do [03:51] all my changes are in the debian folder, so I should be able to diff just that [03:51] Sounds good. [03:57] ScottK-laptop, check your PMs, that should be it [04:19] NCommander: Any last regrets before I upload kdenetwork? [04:20] ScottK-laptop, the worst we do is break lpia worse, and considering its an FTBFS fix, can it be any worse? [04:20] OK. [04:21] I'm to dpkg-shlibdeps, so it shouldn't be long. [04:22] * NCommander waves flags [04:22] Of course there are a lot of those ... [04:23] That took longer then the actual build itself ... [04:23] :-) [04:24] ScottK-laptop, do we have any other big KDE todos? [04:24] For KDE3, I think it's mostly a [04:25] ... a|wen finishing some investigations. [04:25] I still need to finish up on kdebindings. [04:25] urr kde4bindings [04:26] ScottK, Sounds like "fun" [04:27] I'd love to hear you figured out php-clamavlib. It's the last holdout on the libclamav5 transition. [04:28] Oh, shoot, I'm sorry, my mind slipped on that one [04:28] ScottK, I'll trade you that for uploads on my ada SRUs [04:28] ScottK-laptop, where do I grab the current source package and build logs? [04:29] NCommander: Just apt-get source php-clamavlib and throw it at your intrepid pbuilder. [04:29] intrepid? [04:29] Yes [04:29] * jtechidna goes to bed [04:30] NCommander: It won't take you long to get to the libtool fun. [04:30] How bad? [04:31] NCommander: http://paste.ubuntu.com/45614/ [04:31] ScottK, any desire for a specific patching system? [04:32] NCommander: I think the current changes are all direct in the diff.gz. I'd just go with that. [04:32] They are? [04:32] ugh [04:32] *twich* [04:32] Given that's the current path, I don't think patching and direct changes should be mixed. [04:33] If you want to go back and redo it all with dpatch, that's cool too. [04:33] No quilt please. [04:38] kdenetwork uploaded for backports. [04:57] kdelibs for Intrepid uploaded. [05:49] Riddell: I uploaded a revised kdenetwork to hardy-backports for NCommander. I pinged slangasek and asked him to accept it, but I'd appreciate it if you'd check and accept it if he didn't already. [05:49] \o/ [05:56] uhm there is a bug in kopete, seems reject some chars on password field.. and faild login with wrong password. [05:56] * emgent investigate.. [07:02] jtechidna: Thanks a lot, I'm off for a few days now, but next week I'll sort through it. The work is really appreciated, ta. [09:36] Riddell: when trying to upgrade using adept I get this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/45680/ [09:36] <\sh> apachelogger: where was the quassel bzr archive again? [09:37] <\sh> apachelogger: got it... [09:48] \o/ [09:48] I can't edit the wiki page [09:48] hooray [09:48] -.- [09:56] hm [09:57] Does anyone have arora installed? [09:57] * apachelogger would be interessted if it works there [10:30] it doesn't [10:43] ScottK-laptop: nothing in hardy-backports queues [10:47] apachelogger: hmm, interesting, it's cycling through the available views and by the time it gets to te KDE4 one it has already loaded the KDE one and the qt versions clash [10:47] I wonder why the KDE 3 one was left in there are all [10:49] Riddell: compatibility with series where python-qt4 is not installed maybe? [10:50] we've used qt4 since edgy [10:53] Riddell: dapper is still supported until 2009, isn't it? [10:53] or is only dapper -> hardy supported as upgrade path? [10:55] right, it's LTS to LTS only [10:56] ok [11:11] apachelogger: do you have the /var/log/dist-upgrade/main.log still? [11:12] Riddell: I am doing an upgrade using update-manager right now. I can get you the file in about 17 minutes. [11:14] Riddell: I got an accept shortly after I went to bed, so I guess he got it. [11:15] apachelogger: using the gtk tool? [11:16] Riddell: yes, that's the cool thing about VMs, you can easily get rid of that stuff again ;-) [13:04] hm, can/should you ignore the ignore file in bzr like you would with cvs/svn? [13:05] or is that ignored by default [13:06] bzr ingore ingore [13:06] but without the typos [13:08] Riddell: not `bzr ignore .bzrignore`? [13:11] because when i do that, it says: [13:11] Warning: the following files are version controlled and match your ignore pattern: [13:11] .bzrignore [13:11] but .bzrignore still shows up in `bzr st` [13:11] which is very unlike cvs/svn [13:13] dunno, I've not used it, you probably want to bzr add .bzrignore actually [13:39] goatsocks: the ignore stuff is an evil hack [13:39] Riddell: I invoked the DistUpgrade manually and it crashed :S [13:39] ok bzr has two kinds of ignore lists... the kind handled by `bzr ignore` and thus stored in .bzrignore within the branch are ignores you want versioned and shared with other branches... then there's the local ignore which you can specify in ~/.bazaar/ignore for a list of ignores you don't want versioned [13:40] the latter ignore file has to be hand edited [13:40] the latter is really only for global ignores [13:40] like backup files [13:40] apachelogger: backtrace? log? [13:40] apachelogger: exactly, that's the kind of ignores i'm after [13:41] apachelogger: like IDE generated crap [13:41] goatsocks: you should store them in .bzrignore if you plan on sharing the branch though [13:41] Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/45769/ [13:42] Riddell: terminal seems to be broken actually [13:42] yay, cake for breakfast [13:43] apachelogger: afaict the files specified in ~/.bazaar/ignore aren't versioned hence won't be shared when sharing a branch... ? [13:43] seele: please don't say "zucchini" [13:43] goatsocks: exactly that is why you should put that stuff in .bzrignore [13:44] goatsocks: someone's got to eat it [13:44] apachelogger: but the whole problem is i don't want to share the .bzrignore file also [13:44] or get the ignores in the bzr internal ignore list on long erm [13:44] goatsocks: well, then just throw the stuff in .bazaar [13:44] seele: there is still zucchini pie left? Oo [13:45] apachelogger: i'm the only one eating it! [13:45] apachelogger: the terminal doesn't exist until the packages are all downloaded and installing [13:45] apachelogger: i think you're right though, bzr ignore handling is nasty, probably why there's a spec for overhauling it entirely [13:45] apachelogger: (to be fair, i'm home alone this week) [13:45] seele: hm, you could send some over.... ;-) [13:45] Riddell: ok [13:45] apachelogger: come visit me an i'll make you a cake! [13:46] worth a thought [13:46] maybe post-intrepid [13:47] apachelogger: where had the install got to? [13:47] Riddell: getting new packages I think [13:48] * apachelogger checks [13:49] headerHidden : bool "This property was introduced in Qt 4.4." [13:49] apachelogger: what version of python-qt4 do you have? [13:49] 4.3.3-2ubuntu4.1 [13:50] that would explain it then [13:51] apachelogger: able to try this patch? http://paste.ubuntu.com/45781/ [13:52] *trying* [13:54] Riddell: doesn't crash anymore \o/ [13:54] Riddell: I think the terminal button should be hidden unless there is something to show [13:59] apachelogger: are you upgrading or can you test a patch for that too? [13:59] * apachelogger kills the upgrade [13:59] Riddell: now I can test a patch :) [13:59] Riddell: is update-manager-kde invoked through Adept 3.0 for intrepid+1 upgrades? [14:00] apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/45784/ [14:00] jtechidna: no, through update-notifier-kde instead [14:01] Riddell: so I guess my question is, what displays the release announcement this time around? [14:03] jtechidna: update-notifier-kde will [14:03] k [14:03] thanks [14:03] Riddell: are the dependencies for update-notifier-kde fixed yet? [14:04] apachelogger: yes, in update-manager 1:0.93.10 [14:08] neato [14:08] uh, 77 updates -.- [14:08] heh so if you don't wanna bother branchers with your .bzrignore file, `echo .bzrignore > ~/.bazaar/ignore`, then do `bzr ignore foo` inside your working copy to add ignores and create .bzrignore there, then do `bzr remove --keep .bzrignore` (because `bzr ignore` automatically `bzr add`s .bzrignore!) [14:08] hm [14:09] er sorry that should be echo .bzrignore >> ~/.bazaar/ignore [14:09] ;) [14:10] seele: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot104.png what do you think about that dialog? [14:11] apachelogger: many users won't know what the "apt-file cache" is [14:11] yes [14:11] even more will not know what to click :P [14:12] I am a dev dood and have no idea what "run this action" and what "next" is going to do [14:12] Oo [14:12] it's also not very sure whether you need an internet connection to carry out the task ;) [14:13] well honestly, most users aren't going to install apt-file. But that dialog is confusing [14:13] http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot105.png [14:13] I chose next [14:13] and now I am seriously confused [14:13] apachelogger: are you fixing this or are you just looking for validation? [14:13] oh [14:13] wtf, totally defeats the purpose of using a GUI updater tool [14:14] apachelogger: next probably meant, see next notification [14:14] seele: I am looking for validation [14:14] apachelogger: yes, it sucks. [14:14] i can't get past the first screen, do i click run or next? [14:14] it doesnt even use the same language [14:14] well, now that we see this is a notification browser [14:14] it says "run this command" in the message but "run this action" in the button [14:15] would run also go to next screen? [14:15] Riddell: go fix that notification thing :P [14:17] * goatsocks can now get some real work done until the next bzr wtf moment [14:18] mornfall: so, why is the sidebar widget not following the mainwindow color gradient in oxygen? [14:18] apachelogger: was 104 the first image in the wizard? [14:19] seele: the first was a popup in systray, telling me there are notifications, which left behind a light bulb, clicking on that lead to 104 [14:20] then I clicked next, which lead to 105 [14:22] what is it supposed to do? run apt-get update? [14:22] no, I think it is the thing that shows up to tell you to reboot your system [14:22] or restart firefox [14:22] ... [14:22] what? [14:23] 'post-update' notification [14:23] huh, that got lost on me. so it would show up after a kernel update and tell you to reboot? [14:23] yes [14:23] or is this the cryptic message you get everytime? [14:24] seele: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/update-notifier-hooks.png [14:26] ah ok.. so it's just that one that is confusing [14:26] well, I guess everytime you get more than one notification it's like that [14:27] maybe it should be ignore? [14:27] jtechidna: what should be ignored? [14:27] You could have a run action button and an ignore button, which would show the next notification, maybe? [14:27] makes loads of sense [14:28] Because, actually the light blub disappears after it walked you through the notification [14:28] At least I wouldn't expect it do that. [14:30] grr, update-notifier keeps popping up it's bubble telling me to restart [14:31] at least it's not annoying as windows where a whole freaking window comes up and steals focus [14:31] I think adept updater crashed ;| [14:31] * jtechidna reboots [14:52] seaLne: I installed the kde-devel meta package and used the dist-upgrade tool -> no problems [14:54] Riddell, or Riddelll_: terminal patch works [14:55] thanks apachelogger [14:55] Riddelll_: once oxygen-icons is installed it switches from crystal to oxygen for new current icons, looks odd IMO [14:56] hm, s/new current icons/new icon changes/g [14:56] interesting [14:56] I'll add that to a things to fix if I have spare time list [14:56] ok [14:58] Riddell: ok so I guess if there are ideas missing people should just make new ones? [15:04] uhh [15:04] that upgrade is somewhat ... weird [15:04] jcastro: according to the meeting, brainstorm isn't a requirement [15:05] ah ok [15:05] (whew) [15:05] although it might be an idea to ensure jono knows that [15:12] Riddelll_: when i talked to jono about it he said just create new ideas [15:12] seele: new kubuntu related ideas on brainstorm/ [15:13] but personally, i think that defeats the purpose of them using brainstorm in the first place. it is supposed to be a community collection of ideas. the system breaks down if people submit arbitrary ideas that the user community wont understand enough to vote on [15:13] * seele has issues with brainstorm [15:13] really, a usability category? now we're asking users to self-diagnose? [15:14] yes we are :) [15:14] why don't they tell us how to design the UI while theyre at it [15:14] my problem with brainstorm is the gnome bias [15:14] +1 JontheEchidna [15:14] * jjesse spent some time trying to find kubuntu and server brainstorm ideas for his uds application and couldn't find any [15:14] jjesse: there is a kubuntu tag [15:15] JontheEchidna: must have missed it i was using the search [15:15] tried kde and kubuntu [15:16] This idea needs to be closed: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/11546/ [15:16] jjesse: all KDE brainstorms: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=&ordering=mostvotes&relation=99&state_new=1&state_needinfos=1&state_blueprint_approved=1&state_workinprogress=1&state_done=1&state_already_done=1&state_unapplicable=1¬hing_attached=1&bug_attached=1&spec_attached=1&thread_attached=1&attachment_operator=0&tags_operator=and&tags=&category=-1&type_idea=1&_search_submitted=true&state_deleted=0&state_not_an_ [15:16] idea=0&type_bug=0 [15:16] wow twhat a link [15:17] you couldnt' tinyurl it? :P [15:17] lol [15:17] hm [15:17] This idea needs closed too: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/12292/ [15:17] JontheEchidna: you need a paste protection, not battiny :P [15:18] JontheEchidna: i can close them if you want me to [15:18] whith what text? [15:18] *with [15:18] uh, for the first one [15:18] Nightrose: not wortht the time [15:18] http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/11054/ katapult is no longer used [15:19] JontheEchidna: you shouldn't care about them [15:19] KDE 4.1 in Hardy has already been done [15:19] the point of rating is that pointless stuff doesn't get to the top :P [15:19] jjesse: my just upgraded vm tells a different story [15:19] and we can't doing anything about Qt's licensing, since Nokia controls that. And the current dual licensing method is Qt's whole business model [15:19] apachelogger: really katapult is still used? [15:19] * Nightrose closes them [15:20] jjesse: it certainly works [15:20] interesting [15:21] jjesse: all kubuntu-tagged ones: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/search?tags=kubuntu&ordering=mostvotes [15:22] has anyone gone through the registration process? [15:22] Riddell: it appears to me that all the recommends of kubuntu-desktop don't get upgraded in dist-upgrade [15:22] is there a free text area besides "about yourself" where you can talk about what you want to work on? [15:23] yes [15:23] Riddell: and adept gets removed completely which leaves the resulting intrepid without GUI package manager [15:23] * seele would rather send an email to a person that matters than fill this form out [15:23] hmmm strange [15:23] but limited to 1000 characaters [15:23] oh great [15:23] i can't edit any of the ideas you posted [15:23] +1 seele [15:23] but i can edit others [15:23] Nightrose: actually I think the first one wants KDE 4.1 moved to hardy-backports [15:24] which hasn't been done yet, so don't close it [15:24] can't [15:24] JontheEchidna: yea - i can't anyway - dunno why - i am a moderator [15:24] it's really against backports policy [15:24] could break too much [15:26] stdin: is there some lp dood I can poke about the kubuntu-bugs name? [15:30] seele: are you werking on the application right now? [15:37] jjesse: no i gave up [15:38] lol [15:38] you get a tiny box to talk about everything you do for ubuntu? [15:38] apparently that's all you need [15:38] seriously, i want an email address and i'll write up a nice letter with links to projects etc. [15:38] +1 [15:38] but i think the brainstorm links are supposed to help automate the scheduling of the disscussions [15:40] hum, i dont even know if my boss would let me go [15:41] this is a problem [15:41] i need a new job [15:41] (if i wasnt so lazy i'd just work for myself) [15:42] hmm, well I filled in the second page of the application and got sent back to the start [15:42] did it have an error message: "Too many KDE related Brainstorm topics. Please try again."? [15:42] naw, I was trying to fill in a non brainstorm URL [15:43] lol seele [15:43] i hate doing documentation for customer engagements they are so boring [15:43]