[00:00] <tgrundl1> bsinder: http://paste.ubuntu.com/45544/
[00:01] <bsnider_> well it got an ip address
[00:02] <bsnider_> can you ping google.com?
[00:02] <milosz> is ALSA known to be buggy atm?
[00:03] <tgrundl1> yes, and i can bring it up in a browser, but other website, apt, and aMSN timeout
[00:03] <anubis> uhm, can Intrpeid play mp3s?
[00:03] <anubis> because I can't get it to
[00:21] <Neon_lights> -poke- anyone here that could lend me some help? [:
[00:23] <Neon_lights> I was just wondering whether if my nVidia drivers are supposed to be freaking out with anything 3D accelerated and giving green and purple bars everywhere.
[00:23] <Neon_lights> or if I should file a bug. xD
[00:25] <anubis> uhm, can Intrpeid play mp3s?
[00:30] <literal> yes, if you install the appropriate codec
[00:30] <literal> same as with any other ubuntu release
[00:31] <anubis> so if clever smartasses like ourselves already had the codec installed and no sound then what?
[00:31] <anubis> sound form streaming lastfm, but no sound from mp3s?
[00:33] <Neon_lights> sounds like a pulseaudio problem to me.
[01:08] <EagleScreen> Kubuntu Intrepid shows the desktop of my last session when it is starting session, inclusive after rebooting
[01:26] <mib_lhfac4> Someone know the correct alternative of "update-manager -d" for kubuntu?
[01:26] <RAOF> mib_lhfac4: do-release-upgrade should work (and is CLI), but I don't know the Kubuntu version
[01:27] <mib_lhfac4> i should go in intrepid
[01:27] <mib_lhfac4> now i'm in ubuntu hardy heron
[01:27] <mib_lhfac4> and do-release-upgrade said:
[01:27] <mib_lhfac4> Checking for a new ubuntu release No new release found
[01:27] <RAOF> You'd need to pass -d as well.
[01:28] <mib_lhfac4> yeah work, thanks!!!! :-)
[01:47] <shadowhywind> hay all, not sure of this is an intrepid issue or not.. but in order to get my wireless card to work (ndiswrapper), I have to restart dbus first? is this normal?
[01:48] <RAOF> shadowhywind: Restarting dbus is probably restarting network manager & HAL & friends, which will then pick up your new (to the kernel) hardware.
[01:49] <RAOF> That's not the best behaviour, so it might be worth filing a bug if you can reproduce this.
[01:49] <shadowhywind> but even if the wireless card is on from boot?
[01:50] <shadowhywind> any ideas on a fix? or something i can try so i can more info to the bug report
[01:50] <RAOF> shadowhywind: Depends on what "on" means; the kernel doesn't know about it properly until ndiswrapper has loaded, and has the right windows driver wrapped, and loaded the firmware, etc.
[01:50] <RAOF> If NM is getting loaded before all that happens, it may not pick up your card.
[01:51] <RAOF> So, it seems you've already identified a fix; restart dbus.
[01:51] <shadowhywind> the only issue that i have with restarting dbus, is that i lost like half the items in my systray
[01:51] <RAOF> You could narrow this down by just restarting the network manager services; I believe they live in /etc/dbus/event.d
[01:52] <shadowhywind> so perhaps running the network restart command might help?
[01:52] <RAOF> Right.
[01:54] <carandraug> I also have a problem with ndiswrapper since I updated to Intrepid. I have to stop NetworkManager (even though it's disable in the list of startup services), ifdown my network. Only after this Am I able to remove the ndiswrapper module. After reinserting the module I finally get internet
[01:56] <shadowhywind> ok so /etc/init.d/networking restart looks like it didn't work
[01:57] <RAOF> Yes, that's not network manager.
[01:57] <RAOF> The network manager things live in /etc/dbus/event.d, or something.
[01:57] <shadowhywind> i have a dbus-1 but nothin inside of event.d
[01:58] <RAOF> Hm.  Or they did.  They don't seem to now :)
[01:58] <shadowhywind> perhaps system.d
[01:58] <RAOF> Heh.  They seem to be in system.d now
[01:59] <shadowhywind> so which one do i have to restart and how?
[01:59] <Joeb454> anybody around?
[01:59] <shadowhywind> nioe hehe
[01:59] <shadowhywind> nope**
[01:59] <RAOF> shadowhywind: I'm not sure anymore; this has changed since last I fiddled with it.
[01:59] <carandraug> it resides in /etc/init.d/NetworkManager . i have to stop it first to be able to fix my wireless connection with ndiswrapper
[01:59] <Joeb454> lol
[02:00] <Joeb454> Just wondering if anybody knew why the username thing on the top gnome panel always tells me I'm offline
[02:00] <shadowhywind> carandraug: so you have the same issue then huh?
[02:00] <RAOF> Bah!  I should have paid more attention; /etc/init.d/NetworkManager restart is probably your winner.
[02:00] <shadowhywind> Joeb454: sorry i don't use gnome so can't help yah
[02:00] <Joeb454> psh
[02:00] <Joeb454> lol
[02:01] <shadowhywind> ok going to give it a try, so brb
[02:01] <carandraug> shadowhywind: not sure what's your issue. I came into the room in the middle of your talk. I solved mine by running half a dozen commands. Stop Network manager, ifdown wireless interface, remove ndiswrapper module and reinserting the module
[02:02] <milos_> Joeb454, how do you connect to internet, with Network-manager or with 'pon connection'?
[02:03] <Joeb454> milos_, network manager I think (whatever's the default for connecting to wifi)
[02:04] <milos_> Joeb454, i had similar problems when I am connected from terminal, but your problem is another issue
[02:05] <Joeb454> hmm, it's not really a problem, but it is annoying
[02:05] <shadowhywind_> well that quiet didn't work
[02:08] <carandraug> shadowhywind: I don't think you got my message. You logged out first
[02:08] <carandraug> shadowhywind: not sure what's your issue. I came into the room in the middle of your talk. I solved mine by running half a dozen commands. Stop Network manager, ifdown wireless interface, remove ndiswrapper module and reinserting the module
[02:08] <shadowhywind> oh hehe
[02:09] <shadowhywind> well in anycase sounds like i am going to get stuck with a few commands, i might as well stay with restarting dbus
[02:09] <DanaG> Oooh, the gnome packagekit thingy doesn't freeze on retrieving changelogs like the old updater did!
[02:10] <DanaG> Oh, and in addition: it doesn't show the WRONG item if you scroll quickly, unlike the old update-manager (which DID show the wrong things).
[02:11] <DanaG> The backend took too much time to process the synchronous request - you need to fork!
[02:11] <DanaG> hah.
[02:14] <shadowhywind> oh! new updates and there are some network-manager updates! maybe they will fix the issues
[02:15] <carandraug> shadowhywind: they didn't fix mine :p
[02:15] <shadowhywind> oh
[02:15] <shadowhywind> i wish they would post the new kernel.. hopeing that one will fix the last broken kernel for me. hehe
[02:16] <ToHellWithGA> is there any plan to fix the incorrect rate setting in the rt2x00 modules?
[02:16] <ToHellWithGA> since gutsy, wireless chipsets on the rt2x00 module have defaulted to a 1Mbps rate
[02:16] <ToHellWithGA> it's a known problem that can be fixed by running "sudo iwconfig wlan0 rate 54M"
[02:17] <carandraug> shadowhywind: I have problems with the latest kernel (because of my graph card) so I have to use Hardy's kernel
[02:17] <ToHellWithGA> i was a little put off when i reset my computer running this bleeding-edge ubuntu version and it still had a bug that's been present since gutsy
[02:18] <ToHellWithGA> carandraug: what video card is that?
[02:18] <shadowhywind> carandraug: does your stop like a second into it and say kernel reallyy alive?
[02:18] <carandraug> ToHellWithGA: ATI Radeon 9600XT
[02:18] <ToHellWithGA> bummer
[02:19] <ToHellWithGA> brb
[02:19] <carandraug> shadowhywind: no. I just can't get anything there. I plan on try to check what's happening next week (I can't risk not having the computer working unntil Monday 5pm)
[02:19] <shadowhywind> ah
[02:20] <carandraug> shadowhywind: Only resolution I get with it is 640*430 or something like that
[02:20] <shadowhywind> now thats bad
[02:21] <shadowhywind> also anyone fimiliar with the konsole in kde 4.1?
[02:23] <DanaG> yay:
[02:23] <DanaG>     - Avoid gnome-wm launching itself in loop
[02:23] <DanaG>     - Remove required components from the default session
[02:23] <DanaG> So is that why I kept getting a freeze?
[02:26] <DanaG> New version of gvfs:  - Go back to using powers of 10 instead of powers of 2 for display sizes.      This means we will agree with printed sizes for most devices (e.g. memory      sticks will now correctly report "64MB volume" instead of previous      "61.7MB volume").
[02:26] <DanaG> (also points out how annoying hard-wrapped text files can be.
[02:26] <DanaG> )
[02:59] <MightyTweek> Has anyone successfully built SVN mplayer on Intrepid?
[03:00] <RAOF> Probably.
[03:00] <RAOF> But you're likely to get a better response to your actual question by asking it :)
[03:00] <bsnider> RAOF,  try out the new pulseaudio yet?
[03:00] <bsnider> and for that matter the new kernel
[03:01] <RAOF> Yes to both; neither help my hda_intel buffer underrun problem.
[03:01] <bsnider> huh
[03:01] <MightyTweek> RAOF: point well taken. My question: How can I get SVN mplayer to build successfully on Intrepid? :D
[03:01] <bsnider> even with luke's newer alsa-lib packages?
[03:01] <RAOF> Yes.  Now trying with alsa-driver 1.1.18rc3
[03:02] <bsnider> how bad is the problem?
[03:02] <MightyTweek> Seriously, though. Doing a ./configure seems to work just fine, but when I run make, nothing gets built.
[03:02] <RAOF> MightyTweek: Better, but not quite there yet :).  For me to help I'd need to know what you've tried, and where it's failing :)
[03:02] <RAOF> That seems pretty strange.
[03:02] <bsnider> MightyTweek, you do have build-essential and that crap installed?
[03:03] <RAOF> bsnider: Annoying; several tiny hickups/pops in the music over the course of a song.
[03:03]  * RAOF restarts to load the new alsa drivers.
[03:03] <tretle> why isnt cheese available in ubuntu when it was included as part of gnome core since 2.22
[03:03] <tretle> ?
[03:04] <MightyTweek> RAOF: Yes, I have build-essential and all of the other prerequs installed as far as I can tell.
[03:04] <bsnider> i asked you that actually
[03:08] <RAOF> tretle: It _is_ available in Ubuntu.
[03:09] <RAOF> tretle: I'm fairly sure it's installed by default.
[03:09] <RAOF> tretle: Sorry, I'm lying.  It's not installed by default, but it is in Ubuntu (at least intrepid).  Cheese 2.22.3-0ubuntu2 (universe)
[03:10] <tretle> shouldnt it be installed by default seeing as its part of gnome now
[03:12] <MightyTweek> RAOF: I've pastebinned the output of make -d here if that helps: http://paste.ubuntu.com/45590. Warning: it's 107,444 lines long :)
[03:12] <RAOF> Ubuntu-desktop isn't the same as the default gnome desktop.
[03:12] <IdleOne> is this the appropriate channel to get some help with clamTK?
[03:13] <RAOF> MightyTweek: Dunno.  Can I have the output without -d? :)
[03:17] <MightyTweek> RAOF: Without the -d, make produces no output. make clean does the expected deletion of files. Occasionally when I've done an svn up and tried a make after that some stuff has gotten built, but never the mplayer executable
[03:18] <RAOF> MightyTweek: What, _no_ output at all?
[03:19] <MightyTweek> RAOF: correct.
[03:19] <bsnider> are you able to build anything else?
[03:19] <RAOF> MightyTweek: Isn't it great that the mplayer devs are so cool as to build their own buildsystem? :(
[03:20] <bsnider> i guess you're being sarcastic there
[03:20] <RAOF> Well spotted.
[03:20] <MightyTweek> RAOF: they're a different bunch, it's true
[03:22] <IdleOne> need some help with clamtk. I have scanned my computer and the results show 3 viruses found but when I click on Quarantine it says no items quarantined.Click on maintenance and I see cache,cache.VIRUS,gdm and gdm.VIRUS . I am not sure what to do now but this has me worried. running ubuntu 8.10 alpha5. any advice?
[03:22] <IdleOne> yes I asked in #clamav also. no response
[03:23] <RAOF> IdleOne: They're almost certainly false-positives.  What are you worried about?
[03:23] <IdleOne> RAOF: 3 viruses found on my Ubuntu system? I want to know what they are and why they are there
[03:23] <RAOF> Or, indeed, if they are virusesss.
[03:24] <IdleOne> RAOF: do you have any file named gdm.VIRUS on your system??
[03:24] <IdleOne> RAOF: yes that too
[03:24] <bsnider> MightyTweek, try building the aurora gtk theme
[03:24] <MightyTweek> RAOF: Okay, if I do a ./configure --enable-gui and then make, then I get a bunch of output of stuff being built. (I did a ./configure without the --enable-gui before.) It looks like it's just .d files that are being built though, and if I do a make clean and then a make again, nothing happens again, presumably because make clean isn't cleaning up the .d files
[03:24] <RAOF> MightyTweek: I'd suggest bugging upstream.  It sounds like their spiffy build system's broken.
[03:25] <tretle> they probably are... it doesnt mean that they will affect your system but they might travel around your wireless setup to windows pcs
[03:26] <IdleOne> tretle: so then I should not worry? you say that like it's ok that my Ubuntu system could possibly infect the 3 other windows system I have on my home network
[03:26] <mneptok> IdleOne: how would Ubuntu infect them?
[03:26] <MightyTweek> RAOF: I've been watching the mailing list and haven't heard of anyone else having problems, but I might post a question there
[03:27] <tretle> well its not as bad as the virus infecting the host and the other pcs around the network
[03:27] <MightyTweek> bsnider: how do I do that, and what will it do?
[03:27] <tretle> look on the bright side after all
[03:27] <IdleOne> mneptok: tretle reply. implied that they could travel over wifi?
[03:27] <bsnider> MIghtif it works, it would virtually eliminate your own system as a possible cause of the problem
[03:27] <mneptok> IdleOne: hardly likely.
[03:27] <tretle> samba shares would be a way that they could travel
[03:28] <bsnider> MightyTweek,  if it works, it would virtually eliminate your own system as a possible cause of the problem
[03:28] <IdleOne> mneptok: ok let's assume they are false positives. how do I make certain that is what they are?
[03:28] <MightyTweek> bsnider: ah, I see. Good idea. Do you have the command to check out the source handy?
[03:28] <mneptok> IdleOne: look for gdm.VIRUS in a virus DB? SANS?
[03:28] <bsnider> http://www.gnome-look.org/CONTENT/content-files/56438-Aurora-1.4.tar.bz2
[03:28] <bsnider> there's the course
[03:28] <bsnider> source
[03:28] <MightyTweek> bsnider: thanks
[03:29] <bsnider> just run the configure script make and make install
[03:29] <bsnider> if it works, blame mplayer
[03:29] <bsnider> works for me
[03:30] <bsnider> MightyTweek, you'll need the libgtk2.0-dev package too
[03:30] <IdleOne> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=778659&highlight=gdm.virus mneptok according to this post it is a virus but not a gdm virus
[03:32] <mneptok> IdleOne: did you actually click the associated link or read the rest of the thread?
[03:32] <mneptok> the Secunia link goes nowhere, and the OP says it's 100% a false positive.
[03:32] <IdleOne> the secunia link returns 0 results for gdm.virus
[03:33] <IdleOne> mneptok: ok then I will mark it as a false positive. now I also have a cache.VIRUS, cache,gdm that are shown
[03:33] <mneptok> deduce, Watson ...
[03:33] <mneptok> :)
[03:34] <bsnider> you can avoid this problem by not running virus scanners
[03:34] <mneptok> whoa.
[03:34] <mneptok> weird. i was *just* going to say something equivalent.
[03:34] <IdleOne> bsnider: lol ok then
[03:34] <bsnider> the recent windows refugees are so paranoid
[03:35] <MightyTweek> bsnider: That seemed to build fine. Guess it's something weird with mplayer's configure script
[03:35] <IdleOne> I am not a recent windows refugee I have been running Ubuntu for 3 years and on a whim I decided to run a scan
[03:35] <mneptok> IdleOne: what has ClamAV done for you except waste a temendous amount of your life?
[03:35] <mneptok> +r
[03:36] <bsnider> MightyTweek, or a problem with their svn files. maybe some are missing or something like that
[03:36] <IdleOne> mneptok: k I get what you guys are saying. uninstall clamav and be safe in the knowledge that my system is safe
[03:36] <bsnider> it is indeed. very much so
[03:36] <mneptok> IdleOne: uninstall ClamAV, and be judicious about how you open attachments and other such things. you'll be safer than with ClamAV, *and* have one free weekend per year in saved time.
[03:36] <burner> assuming you dont' have bad ssl certs ;)
[03:37] <IdleOne> mneptok: i am always careful about attachemnts and I don't install anything that is not in repos unless I know for certain it comes from a good source
[03:38] <mneptok> IdleOne: those habits are 1000000000000000000% more effective than is ClamAV
[03:38] <bsnider> not that we're trashing clamav or antyhing
[03:39] <bsnider> i mean it's not like it identifies false positives
[03:39] <mneptok> i wonder if when cars debuted, new owners asked, "How do I get this thing inoculated against hoof and mouth disease? I always had to do that with my horses."
[03:39] <IdleOne> lol
[03:39]  * IdleOne has all his shots and a few I wish I didn't
[03:39] <bsnider> i'm not sure microsloth would agree with that analogy
[03:39] <bsnider> linux is to windows what cars were to hroses?
[03:40] <IdleOne> that seems pretty accurate to me
[03:40] <mneptok> bsnider: more like "Linux is to automobile emissions what Windows is to horse emissions."
[03:40] <IdleOne> hahahaha
[03:40] <bsnider> if it was, more people would be using it
[03:59] <MightyTweek> bsnider and RAOF: I managed to get mplayer to build by deleting the entire folder and re-downloading. I should have tried that in the first place, of course, but I suspect their make clean isn't really doing a thorough job
[03:59] <RAOF> MightyTweek: Heh.
[04:01] <bsnider> not to be picky, but what's wrong with the medibuntu mplayer?
[04:02] <bsnider> RAOF, did hte new alsa fix your sound issues?
[04:02] <RAOF> bsnider: No.
[04:02] <bsnider> what sound chip is it?
[04:03] <RAOF> One of the infinititude supported by hda_intel; the codec is realtek 660, IIRC.
[04:03] <MightyTweek> bsnider: I'm needing E-AC3 support, which has only just appeared in the svn version. how often is the medibuntu mlayer built?
[04:04] <bsnider> it's a few months old
[04:04] <bsnider> e-ac3? that is that?
[04:05] <MightyTweek> bsnider: it's the audio codec used on HD-DVD discs
[04:05] <gx009> dding kde to ubuntudding kde to ubuntudding kde to ubuntu
[04:05] <bsnider> dolby truehd?
[04:06] <gx009> one of you hacked me and typed that
[04:07] <gx009> but considering there are more folks in #kubuntu , i should ask there
[04:07] <IdleOne> lol yeah we are in the habit of hacking Ubuntu users and then helping them fix the issue. Like we don't have enough issues to work on
[04:08] <bsnider> i can assure you i don't care enough to hack you or anyone else
[04:08] <IdleOne> i would not even know where to begin even if i wanted to hack you and delete your pr0n collection
[04:08] <MightyTweek> bsnider: apparently it's also known as Dolby Digital Plus
[04:09] <bsnider> have they come up with a codec for dts-ma?
[04:09] <gx009> :-P
[04:10] <MightyTweek> I don't even know what that is. I just want to watch my HD-DVDs on my Linux HTPC :)
[04:12] <bsnider> well, dolby truehd is hte update to dolby digital. dts-ma - "master audio" is the update to dts
[04:12] <bsnider> and since there are no more hd dvds in production, dts-ma is hte future
[04:13] <gx009> i thought hd dvd==blueray
[04:14] <bsnider> they're 2 different things
[04:14] <bsnider> the last hd dvd that was produced was "atonement" some time ago
[04:14] <bsnider> the format is dead
[04:14] <gx009> 1080p still rules
[04:14] <bsnider> both formats have that
[04:15] <bsnider> but that has half the resolution of 35mm film
[04:15] <bsnider> so i'm looking for ward to 4k tv resolutions
[04:16] <RAOF> bsnider: You project your TV onto a screen with an area of tens of square metres? :P
[04:16] <MightyTweek> yeah, I figured I'd get a HD-DVD/Blu-Ray drive when I built my new Linux HTPC, and picked up a few HD-DVDs for cheap, since they were clearing them out... I assumed the encryption had been cracked and I could just load 'em up and go... it's been a bit more complicated :P
[04:16] <gx009> thats impossible witht he current hardware
[04:16] <MightyTweek> I'm gonna stick with DVD for awhile I think :)
[04:16] <bsnider> 4k x 2k as opposed to 2k by 1k
[04:18] <gx009> bsnider just invented a 18:16 format
[04:18] <literal> shouldn't that be 9:8 ?
[04:19] <bsnider> you invented it?
[04:19] <bsnider> patent it
[04:19] <gx009> hold on.. i gotta tell kernel not to boot up with acpi
[04:19] <ToHellWithGA> literal: i'm pretty sure it should be ~5pi by ~4pi
[04:20] <bsnider> kernels don't respond to verbal commands
[04:20] <bsnider> whent hey do, we're all in trouble
[04:20] <ToHellWithGA> we need irrational, fractional pixels
[04:20] <ToHellWithGA> i guess those two disagree
[04:20] <ToHellWithGA> irrational, transcendental pixels
[04:21] <literal> complex pixels
[04:21] <ToHellWithGA> i'd like a screen with 100pi by 100e pixels
[04:21] <gx009> that would be cool .. then you can assign fallback pixels
[04:21] <bsnider> how about toxic, explosive pixels?
[04:21] <ToHellWithGA> how about a kernel module for my wireless chipset that doesn't show a regression first identified in gutsy?
[04:21] <ToHellWithGA> i kid, i kid
[04:22] <ToHellWithGA> i like connecting at 1Mbps to my LAN from 10 feet from the router
[04:22] <ToHellWithGA> it's fun
[04:22] <bsnider> which module is that
[04:23] <ToHellWithGA> rt2x00
[04:23] <ToHellWithGA> for an rt2500 chipset
[04:23] <bsnider> realtek sucks on linux
[04:23] <ToHellWithGA> no ways
[04:24] <ToHellWithGA> it was gold on feisty and older
[04:24] <ToHellWithGA> the new free modules only suck a little
[04:24] <gx009> 2.6.27-2 only boots with acpi=off .. beam up to ...28-1 scotty.. hmm.. alsa got alittle confused about that
[04:24] <ToHellWithGA> i used that chipset with backtrack2
[04:25] <bsnider> gx009, try the new kernel
[04:25] <gx009> which new one?
[04:25] <bsnider> 2.6.27-3
[04:25] <RAOF> gx009: Is this a laptop?  Mine only boots on AC unless I pass acpi=off.
[04:25] <bsnider> it's in there
[04:25] <bsnider> check synaptic
[04:25] <gx009> yep.. laptop
[04:25]  * RAOF hasn't checked this with 2.6.27-3 yet.
[04:28] <gx009> i'll try an update from 26-2
[04:31] <DanaG> rt2x00 is not realtek.
[04:31] <DanaG> It's ralink.
[04:33] <DanaG> OH GOD, MY EYES!  http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/10/hp-shows-off-vivienne-tam-designed-digital-clutch-the-10-inch/
[04:34] <MightyTweek> well, it's fuschia
[04:35] <gx009> " a bright red 10-inch netbook"  that looks way pink to me
[04:36] <Jordan_U> DanaG: Any idea what distro it's based on?
[04:36] <DanaG> Well, the current Mini-Note uses some variant of SuSE (I didn't bother remembering which one).
[04:36] <DanaG> yast2 == gag.
[04:36] <gx009> certainly gives a new meaning to "eye candy"
[04:36] <DanaG> well, as package manager, at least.
[04:37] <ToHellWithGA> DanaG: indeedums
[04:38] <ToHellWithGA> regarding ralink, that is
[04:38] <ToHellWithGA> ralink was ace on feisty and older
[04:40] <DanaG> I set up a family friend's computer with a bcm4306 card, and kept the ralink for a spare for an old computer around here, because ralink is open-source.....
[04:41] <DanaG> but in the end, I traded the two.
[04:41] <ToHellWithGA> the ralink driver is bunk in ubuntu through
[04:41] <ToHellWithGA> s/through/though
[04:41] <DanaG> Open-source means 'jack' if it doesn't work for $INSERT_WORD_HERE.
[04:41] <DanaG> s/means/doesn't mean/
[04:41] <ToHellWithGA> it auto-sets itself to 1Mbps
[04:41] <DanaG> Lovely feature!
[04:42] <ToHellWithGA> it's way wacky that i can manually set it to 54M but it auto-sets to slow slow
[04:43] <DanaG> The b43 card also sometimes works better than my iwl3945 card.
[04:43] <milos_> has someone here ever managed to remove accidentally half of gnome with synaptic?
[04:43] <DanaG> Nope, because I check what it's going to be doing before I let it do anything.  =þ
[04:44] <gx009> accident implies no one is at fault
[04:44] <milos_> DanaG, I am also checking but I didn't this time hhhh
[04:44] <ToHellWithGA> DanaG: i bought a wireless g usb key just because of that bunk module
[04:44] <ToHellWithGA> the ralink usb module works fine with all speeds
[04:45] <ToHellWithGA> i unplugged the pci card until i read up that i could manually set the speed
[04:45]  * gx009 : gnome beats kde
[04:45] <MightyTweek> milos_: yeah, I've done that
[04:45]  * DanaG wonders which works better: b43 or ipw2200.
[04:45] <DanaG> I've got one of the latter in an old laptop around here.
[04:46] <MightyTweek> milos_: not with synaptic though, it was with apt-get IIRC
[04:46] <ToHellWithGA> lol @ "old laptop"
[04:46] <DanaG> Well, it is: toshiba 1415-s105
[04:46] <ToHellWithGA> i used that wireless usb adapter to install hardy on a 200Mhz pentium 2 laptop
[04:46] <ToHellWithGA> it was ace
[04:46] <milos_> man i was soo furious, I wanted to submit like 19 angry bug reports
[04:46] <DanaG> The wifi card is yoinked from a a friend's dead newer laptop.
[04:46] <ToHellWithGA> one usb port, 3.6GB hard drive
[04:47]  * DanaG wonders: what could you use a P2 laptop for nowadays?
[04:47] <DanaG> We've got one that's sort of abandoned in place (shoved in the back of a closet).
[04:47] <ToHellWithGA> milos_: that's what "ubuntu-desktop" is for
[04:47] <gx009> victory!! 2.6.27-3 works with no acpi=off
[04:48] <ToHellWithGA> reinstall the meta-package milos_
[04:48] <ToHellWithGA> DanaG: it's my grandmother's laptop
[04:48] <ToHellWithGA> she plays solitaire and freecell
[04:49] <gx009> those are windows games..
[04:49] <ToHellWithGA> absolutely not
[04:49] <ToHellWithGA> those a re card games
[04:49] <gx009> play gnometrix!!
[04:49] <ToHellWithGA> s/a re/are/
[04:50] <ToHellWithGA> she is 70 years old
[04:50] <ToHellWithGA> transitioning to gnome games with the same game was ok in my book
[04:50] <milos_> i have installed some packages with dbg symbols(firefox and xulruner) from http://ddebs.ubuntu.com and it removed some very important form gnome
[04:50] <ToHellWithGA> no windows 98 games for her :)
[04:51] <gx009> good.. she's still in time to witness the glory of teh linuz
[04:51] <ToHellWithGA> my poor grandfather
[04:51] <DanaG> All my family friends are too stubborn to want to switch to anything.
[04:51] <ToHellWithGA> he's getting the alzheimers
[04:51] <milos_> somehow i figured out in aptitude what was the problem
[04:51] <ToHellWithGA> it's too late to try to teach him how not to click every popup that says "click me"
[04:52] <ToHellWithGA> he's on his 5th windows xp computer
[04:52] <ToHellWithGA> he bogs them down and abandons them
[04:52] <DanaG> Adblock Plus?
[04:52] <DanaG> Free hardware?
[04:52] <milos_> ToHellWithGA, I have fix it, what a relief
[04:52] <ToHellWithGA> i refuse to do his tech support because he has a cluster of poorly-organized files he moves from one machine to the next with the help of some local computer shop
[04:53] <gx009> i have a amd k7 with Xubuntu in it..
[04:53] <ToHellWithGA> c:\work\property\jaksdf.wpd and c:\documents\personal\lksjdlfjsdlfkj.wpd
[04:53] <DanaG> Hmm, just sit back and enjoy the free hardware when he discards the old stuff?
[04:54] <ToHellWithGA> not at all
[04:54] <ToHellWithGA> i run all intel motherbaord/chipset stuff to avoid hassle
[04:55] <ToHellWithGA> i suppose i could salvage some RAM from it
[04:55] <gx009> am making that k7 into a debian 4.0 for entertainment purposes.. it still got about 700mb ram
[04:55] <DanaG> Another thing you could do: put in a dd-wrt router, run dnsmasq, and have it block the same sites that the Spybot hosts file blocks?
[04:55] <DanaG> s/\?/./
[04:56] <ToHellWithGA> the guy has been asking me for two years to help him get broadband internet
[04:56] <ToHellWithGA> i've explained it to him a few times, patiently
[04:56] <ToHellWithGA> he now has broadband in his florida home but not in his winter home
[04:56] <ToHellWithGA> it perplexes him that he can't take it with him
[04:57] <DanaG> Time for a laptop with the mobile broadband?
[04:57] <ToHellWithGA> because he has the same long distance phone service, he thinks all of it should be a choice
[04:57] <DanaG> i.e. through phone provider?
[04:57] <ToHellWithGA> yeah that wouldn't be bad
[04:57] <DanaG> s/phone/cellphone/
[04:57] <ToHellWithGA> since he is on dialup he would not find that slow
[04:57] <ToHellWithGA> he's stuck on wordperfect
[04:58] <ToHellWithGA> he refuses to learn to use MS word
[04:58] <DanaG> Bonus points for built-in instead of dongle.
[04:58] <ToHellWithGA> as much as i hate word, it's more current and more widely-used
[04:58] <ToHellWithGA> i will not be teaching him LaTeX :)
[04:58] <ToHellWithGA> bedtime for bonzo
[04:59] <ToHellWithGA> good talk y'all
[04:59] <DanaG> Heh, random thing: I set up a 6to4 tunnel thingy on my dd-wrt router, but then disabled it when I considered that it'd be essentially unfirewalled.
[04:59] <DanaG> What hardware does he get, that you won't use?
[04:59] <DanaG> You could also tell him to donate to various places, for a tax deduction or something.
[05:22]  * burner wonders what audio fixes are planned for intrepid... i still can't be playing rhythmbox and then watch a flash video at the same time
[05:27] <DanaG> I can.
[05:27] <DanaG> =þ
[06:08] <literal> I'm trying to compile an application and I'm getting "sh: o: not found"
[06:08] <literal> some Googling leads me to believe that I'm missing something related to gcc and g++
[06:08] <literal> I'm not very familiar with ubuntu's packages yet though, so I don't know what I'm missing
[06:09] <DanaG> try make SHELL=/bin/bash whatever
[06:09] <DanaG> the default shell in Ubuntu is 'dash'
[06:09] <DanaG> .... which is not able to handle 'bashisms'
[06:09] <literal> it's scons, not make :)
[06:09] <DanaG> aah, then try to export it first, instead.
[06:13]  * Jordan_U wonders why people ask for /bin/sh when they really want bash
[06:13] <literal> "export SHELL=/bin/bash" doesn't help
[06:14] <literal> and the supplied SConstruct script doesn't say anything about which shell to use, so I guess scons itself is to blame
[06:15] <literal> even changing the /bin/sh symlink doesn't help
[06:19] <DanaG> aah.
[06:19] <DanaG> Perhaps you can execute whatever interpreter it is, with some "print everything it executes" parameter.
[06:20] <literal> that would be python
[06:21] <literal> too bad I'm a Perl guy...
[06:21] <alka_trash> Hey I'm downloading Ubuntu 8.10 and I'm pretty excited - does anyone know if Pulse audio is better in this release alpha 5? well compared to hardy
[06:22] <DanaG> but anyway, man python.... it may have a way to make it print.
[06:25] <DanaG> http://product.cowon.com/product/IFA/product_page_2.php  --- yay for support for open-source formats!
[06:27]  * DanaG is not a fan of Apple.
[06:29] <literal> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/scons/scons_1.0.1-0.1_all.deb
[06:29] <literal> does this link work for anyone here?
[06:29]  * DanaG wants a USB thumb drive: http://www.usbgeek.com/prod_detail.php?prod_id=0905
[06:56] <teratoma> what's the setting that makes nautilus make all of your folders in /home appear on your desktop ?
[06:57] <literal> /apps/nautilus/preferences/desktop_is_home_dir in gconf
[07:01]  * DanaG did that, AND symlinked Desktop to home
[07:01] <DanaG> so apps that don't respect it still work as expected.
[07:01] <DanaG> /home/dana/Desktop -> /home/dana/
[07:05] <literal> apparently all that was needed was "sudo aptitude install g++"
[07:29] <Daisuke_Ido> literal: build-essential didn't do it?
[07:35] <DanaG> What's up with the hg-mirror.alsa-project.org?
[07:35] <DanaG> No changes in 3 months.
[07:35] <DanaG> on alsa-kernel dir, that is.
[07:36] <literal> Daisuke_Ido: it would have, but I was unaware of it
[07:40] <TuTUXG> anyone is experiencing problem with connecting to a large (larger than 160G) usb hard drive?
[07:41] <literal> wait, lemme connect my 250GB drive and see
[07:42] <TuTUXG> literal, mine is a 200g 3.5 usb drive, and it's about 80% full
[07:43] <literal> 3.5" here as well, 33% full
[07:43] <literal> no problems at all
[07:43] <TuTUXG> hardy livecd mount it fine, but not with intrepid alpha 5 (either live cd or installed system)
[07:43] <literal> what filesystem?
[07:43] <literal> FAT32 here
[07:44] <TuTUXG> xfs and reiserfs
[07:44] <TuTUXG> i have two partitions
[07:45] <TuTUXG> and another one with ntfs (160) couldn't mount either
[07:45] <TuTUXG> ...
[07:46] <TuTUXG> i'm wondering if the unetboot installation screwed this up...
[07:47] <TuTUXG> the wired thing is i have another two 2.5" usb drive (both are 40g) and they all mounted fine...
[07:49] <TuTUXG> with the 3.5" one, after i connected, nothing happened, not even under /dev/
[07:52] <TuTUXG> ...
[07:55] <DanaG> what does dmesg show about it?
[07:55] <TuTUXG> DanaG, wait a sec, let me see
[07:56] <TuTUXG> [ 1438.773216] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdc] Sense Key : No Sense [current]
[07:56] <TuTUXG> [ 1438.773220] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdc] Add. Sense: No additional sense information
[07:56] <DanaG> Summarize, rather than pasting.
[07:56] <DanaG> Hmm, odd.
[07:56] <TuTUXG> it just repeats that again and again
[07:57] <TuTUXG> except the time stamps r different
[07:57] <TuTUXG> what does that mean?
[07:58] <DanaG> It means something's screwy with the enclosure attaching.
[07:59] <TuTUXG> but it mounts fine with my old hardy and hardy livecd
[07:59] <TuTUXG> and winxp... , with the ntfs one
[08:00] <TuTUXG> btw it is not sata drive, it's ide
[08:01] <TuTUXG> i mean pata
[08:09] <Arenlor> So just how (un)stable is Intrepid currently?
[08:21] <Jordan_U> Arenlor: Depends on your hardware, last I heard none of the nvidia drivers were working :)
[08:21] <Jordan_U> Arenlor: But my comp is running pretty well
[08:27] <DanaG> The 173 and 177 drivers work for me, but not the 77 and 96 drivers.
[08:32] <Arenlor> I've only got to worry about BCM43XX and fglrx drivers myself ^_^
[08:50] <clusty> hey
[08:50] <clusty> wanted to know if its worth while me crying about the fact that bluetooth does get restarted after a suspend to ram?
[08:58] <Jordan_U> clusty: Yes, check if there is already a bug filed and if not file one please.
[09:05] <clusty> Jordan_U, acceptable?
[09:05] <clusty> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez-utils/+bug/268877
[09:05] <clusty> or should say about hardware and stuff?
[09:12] <Jordan_U> clusty: Can't hurt to give info on what hardware you have, they will probably ask for it later if you don't
[09:15] <clusty> done
[09:15] <clusty> thanks
[09:18] <Jordan_U> clusty: Thank you for taking the time to report the bug :)
[09:19] <clusty> it's my pride :D
[09:19] <clusty> might be the first bug that was not reported and was not dissmissed due to lack of info :D
[12:46] <ernstp> anyone know usplash details?
[12:47] <ernstp> I'm having the problem that it starts from the initramfs, but then it quits and drops me back to the console after a while
[12:47] <ernstp> probably when the initramfs is done
[13:22] <mrxmike> hihi
[13:22] <mrxmike> vmware-tools (For guest OS) fails to install on intrepid
[13:22] <mrxmike> the kernel panics / crashes =), known problem?
[13:23] <mrxmike> 2: can i somehow become a 'professional' beta tester, together with a friend of me?
[13:23] <mrxmike> (both IT professionals, well my friend is attending computer science at uni..)
[13:26] <mrxmike> vbe_init() failed with -22, is what i get after installing vmware.. i guess that this is the vmware kernel module crashing
[13:26] <mrxmike> hmmm, actually... its not i see.
[13:27] <mrxmike> its on launchpad already i see =)
[13:34] <Ng> mrxmike: vmware is so not our problem, it's vmware's problem ;)
[13:34] <mrxmike> it sure is
[13:34] <Ng> mrxmike: as for being a "professional" beta tested, if you mean for Ubuntu there is no such thing, just test and file good bugs :)
[13:34] <mrxmike> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/v86d/+bug/189621
[13:35] <mrxmike> but there are problems with the vesa driver uvesafb
[13:35] <mrxmike> Ng: ahhh k .. well.. guess i should become a launchpadder then ;)
[13:35] <Ng> absolutely
[13:36] <Ng> also try to be responsive to bugs - often you'll get someone ask you to file some more information (hardware info, kernel messages, steps to reproduce, etc) and if you don't respond, the bug will end up expiring
[13:38] <mrxmike> Ng: sometimes people ask unnessarily more info, to just avoid to pick up on a problem
[13:38] <mrxmike> that kills..
[13:41] <mrxmike> .. uhh where's kubu on launchpad? :S
[13:44] <mrxmike> kubuntu=ubuntu with just KDE repos added? :S
[13:44] <mrxmike> i dont get it
[13:44] <dns53> the kde desktop, the repo's are common
[13:46] <mrxmike> well.. then there's a really thin line between them.......................
[13:46] <jtechidna> kubuntu=ubuntu with a different set of default software
[13:46] <mrxmike> the difference is as small a s few hundred packages then
[13:46] <jtechidna> basically KDE + KDE versions of Ubuntu-specific tools
[13:46] <mrxmike> dns53: nearly common i guess you mean
[13:46] <mrxmike> yeah k =) qt..
[13:46] <dns53> you can change between them by adding/removeing ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop
[13:47] <jtechidna> Ubuntu is basically Gnome + GTK versions of Ubuntu-specific tools
[14:00] <mrxmike> are the ubu dev teams focused as much on both
[14:01] <mrxmike> or is kubuntu a 2nd thing.. ?
[14:01] <mrxmike> my first bug report =) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dolphin/+bug/268975
[14:11] <jtechidna> mrxmike: I can reproduce your crash!
[14:11] <jtechidna> I will get a proper backtrace and report it to KDE
[14:12] <jtechidna> Thanks for helping make Kubuntu and KDE better for everyone.
[14:30] <mrxmike> jtechidna: you as well :-))
[14:32]  * jtechidna reboots to see if the new kernel fixed things
[14:32] <mrxmike> k :)
[15:04] <JontheEchidna> meh, still crashes modprobe
[15:05] <mrxmike> whats wrong? :)
[15:05] <JontheEchidna> oh, modprobe dies when I boot with the .27 kernel
[15:13] <Turski> how do i get virtualbox working in interpid, since it doesn't have correct kernel module?
[15:14] <mrxmike> you dont
[15:14] <mrxmike> i think
[15:14] <mrxmike> Turski: why run virtualbox on intrepid?
[15:15] <Turski> why not?
[15:15] <lore20> Turski:
[15:15] <lore20> u need to install another kernell
[15:16] <lore20> compile a vanilla... ore use a previous version
[15:16] <Turski> stupid :/
[15:16] <Turski> why there's no module for latest kernel?
[15:17] <mrxmike> ask #vbox
[15:17] <mrxmike> virtualbox doesnt support Alpha releases /kernels used in it i think... that will be the answer you get
[15:25] <ute> hello @ll, is there any possibility to use the nvidia-glx-96 driver pakage under 8.10 alpha5?
[15:25] <JontheEchidna> ute: nope
[15:29] <ute> would there be an option in the final or must i bury my geforce 3
[15:30] <JontheEchidna> depends on when nvidia releases an updated driver
[15:31] <ute> not very satisfying, but typically nvidia
[15:32] <flithm> hey everyone... when ibex I don't get fglrx installed by default like I did with hardy, and when I install fglrx my system gets totally hosed.  I have an older ATI card.  Does anyone know what's going on?  With Hardy compiz ran no problem but I'm having real trouble getting it to work on Ibex
[15:32] <flithm> when == with sorry
[15:33] <JontheEchidna> fglrx probably isn't compatible with the new xorg, gotta wait until ati releases an update
[15:33] <flithm> ahhh
[15:33] <flithm> gotcha
[15:34] <JontheEchidna> I think the free drivers do some 3D accell, so at least you aren't as screwed as us legacy nvidia users
[15:35] <flithm> yeah that sucks.  Nvidia's been kind going down the tubes the last year or so.  I used to say I'd never buy another ATI card but maybe that'll change
[15:35] <flithm> well I suppose it'll be AMD
[15:36] <flithm> I wonder what'll happen if there's still no fglrx ready by the time 8.10 ships.  that'll probably be messy for a lot of people
[15:37] <flithm> not to mention the nvidia legacy driver.  does nvidia even have plans to update it?
[15:40] <JontheEchidna> from what I've heard, sorta
[15:40] <flithm> well that's good :)
[15:48] <linkinxp> hello!.......how is intrepid running??
[15:48] <mrxmike> pretty Alpha, if you ask me :)
[15:48] <linkinxp> lol
[15:48] <mrxmike> its getting to the 'right way',
[15:48] <linkinxp> i guess
[15:48] <mrxmike> but not really usable as a desktop OS
[15:48] <linkinxp> i had troubles with video!
[15:49] <mrxmike> (ie. adept is not really available)
[15:53] <JontheEchidna> mrxmike: what do you mean by not really available?
[15:53] <mrxmike> well, i wasnt able to search for packages
[15:53] <mrxmike> tried to use it 5min ago it said something about 'this is not implemented yet' :S
[15:53] <JontheEchidna> oh right, you can't search by package titles yet.
[15:54] <mrxmike> JontheEchidna: so its not really usable i should say, not avalable
[15:55] <JontheEchidna> but overall adept3 is much more stable and less slow than adept2
[15:55] <jnsquire> Update manager is refusing to download the latest updates, is the repository currently broken?
[15:55] <mrxmike> tried
[15:55] <mrxmike> apt-get update first ?
[15:56] <jnsquire> Yeah
[15:56] <mrxmike> then try, apt-get dist-upgrade
[15:57] <jnsquire> OK, apt-get dist-upgrade seems to be OK.
[15:58] <mrxmike> now the 'update manager' 'popup' should be gone...
[15:58] <jnsquire> Thanks
[15:58] <mrxmike> jnsquire: doesnt the update manager try to use adept...
[15:58] <mrxmike> (which is like just said - a bit broken still..)
[15:59] <jnsquire> Dunno, haven't looked under the covers
[15:59] <mrxmike> ok
[17:00] <milosz> what's the current problems with ALSA?
[17:00] <milosz> i get no sound in Miro, and no way i try to set it up, it just doesn't work
[17:00] <milosz> the only app where it works right is my own media player but it also has a quite advanced config for ALSA
[17:01] <milosz> maybe the "default" device doesn't work (?)
[17:15] <gx009> 2.6.27-3 :: gnome 2.23.92 :: x64 :: mouse pointer dissapears from screen; only rebooting brings mouse pointer back up. it still works while in this invisible state e.g. i can still click on things but it is invisible
[17:17] <gx009> nothing obvious triggers it.. ramdom .. last time it was opening laptop back up and mouse was cloaked again ..
[17:17] <milosz> it's MPX malfunctioning! this time it thinks there are no pointers at all..
[17:19] <gx009> do you know if there is already a bug report about it?
[17:19] <milosz> i was just joking, MPX isn't implemented yet
[17:19] <milosz> gx009, what graphics driver do you use?
[17:20] <gx009> that might be it.. i havent enabled the nvidia drivers yet
[17:20] <milosz> well it's still a bug with whatever drive you currently use...
[17:20] <milosz> might be worth reporting
[17:20] <gx009> true
[17:21] <ronny> yo
[17:21] <ronny> got a weird issue, network-manager stops my manual configured usb0 (in /etc/network/interfaces) from working - any idea how to make it stop caring?
[17:23] <DrHalan> hey, did video playback break ?
[17:23] <DrHalan> videos play slow and without sound in gstreamer
[17:23] <ronny> hardy just never cared about usb0 to begin with
[17:24] <ronny> but intrepid basicall disconnects all my other connections if i connect my openmoko to the usb
[17:24] <ronny> its a massive pain and i have no idea how to fix
[17:26] <gx009> gvfsd-trash just crashed!
[17:26] <milosz> that release date is never gonna be held]
[17:26] <milosz> kept*
[17:26] <gx009> tell that to the kde guys
[17:27] <milosz> why KDE?
[17:27] <milosz> delayed 4.2 or what is it about?
[17:27] <gx009> its looking pretty sad.. i just ran 4.1.1 the other day .. terrible.. nothing worked on my laptop
[17:27] <milosz> KDE 4 is overengineered in details
[17:28] <gx009> even adept was broken. which is REALLY scary
[17:30] <ronny> anyone?
[17:31] <bsnider> lew's running a nice piece about linux today:
[17:31] <bsnider> http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig9/coleman2.html
[17:31] <bsnider> i don't think i agree that it's "thriving", although i guess he means it's a lot more usable than it was 10 years ago
[17:33] <gx009> in the past couple of years we've seen linux systems installed in more production machines ... dell, the newest sylvania and eeepc, google's gOS , etc.. i'd say thats 'thriving'
[17:34] <bsnider> in the same time, apple has grown much more
[17:35] <bsnider> that's thriving. linux is slowly growing
[17:35] <gx009> they own they're own hardware.. go figure
[17:35] <gx009> s/they're/their
[17:43] <bsnider> i don't see the connection. microsoft doesn't own its own hardware. they make deals with oems
[17:44] <gx009> money deals.. unless you wanna be a hobbyist .. can you?
[17:45] <gx009> s/hobbyist/lobbyist
[17:45] <gx009> lol
[17:46] <gx009> since nm-applet doesnt wanna save my password i guess am trying creating a 'new wireless network'
[17:50] <bsnider> gx009, why doesn't it save your password? saves mine
[17:50] <bsnider> what happens exactly?
[17:51] <milosz> i agree that it's not "thriving" (just wanted to add that)
[18:01] <gx009> it does automatically bring up the 'enter your password' dialog for the right network .. but i have to manually input it everytime..
[18:04] <gx009> i just created an autoNETWORKX ("new connection") so i'll logout and check it
[18:06] <gx009> no results..  & am connecting a with a low signal strength even though am right next to the router
[18:08] <bsnider> gx009, you mean it asks for the network key, or it asks for the root password to get the gnome-keyring?
[18:11] <gx009> just network key
[18:11] <bsnider> network-manager has nothing to do with signal strength. that's the driver's reponsibility
[18:12] <gx009> i didnt say it did
[18:12] <gx009> i just commented on that
[18:12] <bsnider> i see
[18:12] <bsnider> what wifi card is it?
[18:41] <tsuther> hello
[18:42] <tsuther> anyone have advice for me - I've got a Thinkpad t60 and running intretpid alpha5, the scroll wheel no longer works
[18:42] <tsuther> how do I fix with this fancy new xorg?
[18:42] <Sylphid|work> dunno if this is the right place to ask but can anyone tell me why traceroute is not installed by the default ubuntu installation cd
[18:43] <Sylphid|work> or if it is scheduled to be added in intrepid
[18:44] <milosz> it's never been installed by default
[18:44] <milosz> by which i wanted to speculate that it will not change in I.I.
[18:45] <milosz> tsuther, scroll wheel on what kind of device? USB mouse?
[18:45] <DanaG> Trackpoint stick, most likely.
[18:45] <DanaG> That'd be the "EmulateWheelButton" option.
[18:45] <milosz> a trackpoint stick most likely also doesn't have a scroll wheel
[18:46] <milosz> s/also//
[18:57] <tsuther> sorry
[18:57] <Bauldrick> how can i stop my screen going black everytime i press a key on the keyboard?
[18:57] <tsuther> DanaG: yes, the trackpoint
[18:58] <tsuther> milosz: it would be the middle mouse button scrolling on the trackpoint, not the "touchpad"
[18:59] <DanaG> Hmm, synaptics now uses fdi files, instead of the xorg.conf.
[18:59] <milosz> ow the trackpoint scroll ok
[18:59] <DanaG> copy /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/20thirdparty/11-x11-synaptics.fdi  to /etc/hal/fdi/policy/ and edit it
[18:59] <tsuther> fdi is new, right?
[18:59] <milosz> fdi files have been used since HAL was introduced
[18:59] <DanaG> You'd want to add the things mentioned here:
[19:00] <DanaG> http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_configure_the_TrackPoint
[19:00] <milosz> eh i think i'm not enough informed about this
[19:00] <DanaG> the emulatewheelbutton thing.
[19:00] <tsuther> doesn't xorg handle mice and keyboards differently with the new version?
[19:56] <utonto> hello
[19:56] <utonto> i'd like to know... is it normal that ubuntu ibex doesn have tty1 -6 but just the graphic one?
[19:57] <void^> no
[19:58] <utonto> tha't wierd than, cause since i installed it i just have the tty7 that's the one i am using atm
[19:59] <utonto> is there anything to change in the grub menu to allow having all the terminals?
[20:00] <carandraug> utonto: I have all tty, 1 to 6
[20:01] <carandraug> utonto: by the way, do you really need that many tty? May I suggest using screen instead?
[20:01] <Pici> !bugs
[20:01] <utonto> no i don't really need all of them
[20:02] <utonto> but at least a non-graphical one
[20:02] <utonto> to use in case of troubles with the X server
[20:07] <Samushka> i am having issues w/ my Intel X3100 graphics card in Ibex, i seem to be in VESA mode... ubuntu seems to boot up, gfx is garbled, then reboots, and works, but like i said, im in VESA mode...
[20:08] <Samushka> how does one install/force intel drivers on ubuntu 8.10 ?
[20:08] <utonto> change the driver in your xorg.conf
[20:08] <utonto> just type intel in there
[20:09] <Samushka> /etc/X11/xorg.conf ... i dont see nothing configured in there, is there a way to configure xorg.conf auotmtically for first time?
[20:12] <utonto> sudo dpkg-reconfigure
[20:13] <Samushka> i tried that, but it doesnt give me an option to pick my video card.
[20:13] <Samushka> do i set my indentifier to "Intel" >
[20:13] <Samushka> ?
[20:14] <Bauld> how can i stop the screen gpoing black when i type?!!
[20:17] <Fujisan> where is jono bacon?
[20:18] <Fujisan> JONO BACON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[20:18] <Fujisan> I SUMMEN THEE
[20:18] <pwnguin> Fujisan: jono@ubuntu.com
[20:18] <Fujisan> you know him?
[20:18] <pwnguin> more than i know you
[20:19] <jussi01> He is the community manager...
[20:19] <Fujisan> yeah
[20:19] <Fujisan> I took a picture with him a while back: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3227/2438454269_a3489e2235.jpg
[20:20] <stdin> Fujisan: this is a support channel, #ubuntu-offtopic is for general chat
[20:21] <Fujisan> oh wow
[20:22] <Fujisan> I know this channel is for fallaciloquence
[20:22] <Fujisan> thank you stdin
[20:22] <Fujisan> i am here because i wanted to know where i can get ubuntu intrepid ibex
[20:23] <Fujisan> amagawd
[20:24] <Fujisan> i cant find any download locations for it
[20:24] <pwnguin> alpha 5?
[20:24] <Fujisan> yeah
[20:24] <teratoma> you can download an iso or upgrade your install of Hardy
[20:24] <pwnguin> so in the topic is this url...
[20:24] <Fujisan> :/
[20:24] <Fujisan> yeha i know i been there
[20:24] <Fujisan> didnt help me one bit
[20:25] <Fujisan> i dont have ubuntu yet
[20:25]  * gx009 :: google is your friend
[20:25] <Fujisan> no its not
[20:25] <stdin> !daily
[20:25] <teratoma> so download a iso of it and install
[20:25] <Fujisan> thanks
[20:25] <stdin> all the ISOs are on that server
[20:26] <Fujisan> so what are the new features?
[20:26] <pwnguin> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/alpha5
[20:26] <Fujisan> and when is gnome being replaced?
[20:26] <pwnguin> define replaced
[20:26] <teratoma> you can install kubuntu with KDE if you hate gnome
[20:26]  * gx009 :: smells trolls
[20:26] <Fujisan> jono bacon blogged about it
[20:27] <Fujisan> gx009 please
[20:27] <PriceChild> Fujisan: blogged about gnome being replaced?
[20:27] <Fujisan> i am not a troll
[20:27] <teratoma> trolling ubuntu sounds pretty boring
[20:27] <gx009> !enter
[20:27] <Fujisan> Jono Bacon; Although I am an ardent supporter and fanboy around GNOME, and I love the desktop for its simplicity and elegance…GNOME has become the software equivalent of my dad’s comfortable trousers - predictable and reliable, but has ceased to be exciting and innovative in new, innovative, visual, inspirational ways.
[20:27] <_emet_> !info mono
[20:27] <_emet_> O_o
[20:28] <PriceChild> Fujisan: Jono Bacon is the Ubuntu Community Manager. As far as I know he isn't in charge of decisions like that, nor does he indicate in that passage that it is being replaced. That is simply his opinion.
[20:28] <Fujisan> gx009 what !enter?
[20:28] <PriceChild> Fujisan: read what ubottu said immediately following that trigger
[20:28] <Fujisan> i agree with jono bacon
[20:29] <pwnguin> Fujisan: that post was about invogorating gnome, not killing it
[20:29] <Fujisan> i know
[20:29] <Fujisan> i meant to say revamped instead of replaced
[20:29] <_emet_> what is being replaced?
[20:29] <_emet_> gnome is being replaced?
[20:29] <teratoma> yes, with ion3
[20:29] <_emet_> about time
[20:29] <gx009> :-/
[20:30] <Fujisan> because i believe KDE people are designed challenged, and gnome has great potential
[20:30] <Fujisan> stdin i cant join #ubuntu-offtopic i have a 6 month old ban from there
[20:30] <teratoma> i can't imagine why
[20:30] <Fujisan> so its not okay to talk about the future of ubuntu in here?
[20:30] <Fujisan> i have nowhere else to go
[20:31] <pwnguin> talk is cheap, really.
[20:31] <pwnguin> anyone know what magic I must invoke to get nvidia working with dkms?
[20:32] <emet> um]
[20:32] <emet> !info mono-gmcs
[20:32] <emet> damnit
[20:32] <emet> that version is buggy
[20:33] <emet> I hope Ubuntu upgrades to Mono 2.0
[20:35] <Bauld> anyone help me stop my screen going black when typing!?
[20:44] <Bauld> what should xorg.conf look like in intrepid then, mine says this http://pastebin.com/m45ba6364
[20:45] <gx009> have you tried booting in recovery mode and select option 'fix xserver'? that might help
[20:46] <gx009> that's another way of resetting your xorg.conf to default values
[20:47] <Bauld> give it a go now
[20:51] <pisecx> Hi,
[20:51] <pisecx> is it possible to fix problem with Human-Murrine
[20:51] <pisecx> ?
[20:52] <Bauld> nah, it still black when i type and seems to be when i toucj the mouse first time
[20:54] <Bauld> i only upgraded to see if i could get my rtl 8150 wifi card working - cant even boot with .27 kernel because screen is black after logo! stupid noob!!
[20:54] <gx009> have you enabled proprietary drivers?
[20:55] <Bauld> where are they on this
[20:55] <pisecx> Guys, how can I fix look of gnome?
[20:56] <pisecx> It's broken
[20:56] <pisecx> And seems like it's a know issue, according to this http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-8-10-Alpha-4-Screenshot-Tour-91907.shtml
[20:56] <Bauld> sorry , but its almost impossible to see anything as each time i touch keyboard/mouse it goes black, flashes
[20:56] <pisecx> But I could find how to install Human-Murrine
[20:57] <gx009> if 'this' means your on gnome, Bauld, then look in system>administration>hardware drivers
[20:57] <Bauld> sorry , meant intrepid - im on kubuntu
[20:58] <Bauld> no propriety drivers in use
[20:59] <gx009> try enabling it.. restart..
[20:59] <Bauld> nothing to enable?
[20:59] <pisecx> stop to ignore me ))
[20:59] <Pici> pisecx: Look in Launchpad to see if a bug is logged, if not, log one.
[21:00] <Pici> !bugs
[21:00] <pisecx> thanks
[21:00] <gx009> then i guess you should update/upgrade, Bauld; because there should be a proprietary driver option in there ...
[21:02] <pisecx> Pici: yes, it logged https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/human-theme/+bug/257712, I have installed this package, I don't see error any more but can not use standart human theme
[21:02] <pisecx> Pici: should I try to restart?
[21:03] <Pici> pisecx: You shouldnt have to, but you may need to restart gnome.
[21:03] <Pici> Or relog
[21:04] <pisecx> Pici ok, will try now
[21:04] <Bauld> gx009: update/upgrade still nothing in hardware drivers
[21:05] <Bauld> i'm on this mind 2.6.25-1-386 as nothing else will boot - that make a difference?
[21:08] <gx009> do you have 2.6.27-2 installed already?
[21:08] <Bauld> yeah , but it wont start after load
[21:09] <Bauld> just a black screen - so i have to go back to this one
[21:09] <gx009> try editing kernel line adding    acpi=off    (at the end) and see if it boots
[21:09] <gx009> in grub
[21:12] <gx009> you can also just  kate /etc/grub/menu.lst  and add it there
[21:13] <gx009> then restart, of course
[21:13] <Bauld> brb ofcourse
[21:17] <oliver_g_1> hmm...
[21:17] <oliver_g_1> shouldn't the "nautilus" package be installed by default?
[21:17] <gx009> not if you have kde
[21:17] <oliver_g_1> no, it's ubuntu
[21:18] <oliver_g_1> and I'm wondering why Gnome desktop won't come up after last update
[21:19] <oliver_g_1> ok, /var/log/dpkg.log says it has removed nautilus and nautilus-cdburner today :-/
[21:20] <oliver_g_1> that might explain the login problems
[21:22] <gx009> that doesnt just happen .. a user had to have done that.. regardless, you have to reinstall that then
[21:22] <gx009> thats my guess
[21:22] <oliver_g_1> (ah ok, it has removed ubuntu-desktop, probably because I didn't select DistUpgrade in update-manager today)
[21:24] <oliver_g_1> wheee... desktop is back, _and_ it finally runs fast inside virtualbox :-D
[21:24] <oliver_g_1> thanks to the kernel patchers!
[21:25] <Bauld> argh, no joy
[21:29] <gx009> i suggest you take acpi=off out of the boot line and proceed to check the forums for a match to your situation or stay tuned 'til someone else can lead you in the right direction; unfortunately thats all i have
[21:31] <Bauld> gx009: cheers for your time, much appreciated
[21:38] <DanaG> Oh hey, the dd-wrt firmware has a theme that that New Wave could take some ideas from.
[21:38] <DanaG> http://codefromthe70s.org/images/dummynet_ddwrt.png
[21:49] <Irfan> hi, I need help installing VirtualBox 2.0
[21:51] <DanaG> 2.0?
[21:52] <DanaG> Woah.
[21:52] <DanaG> That's news to me.
[21:52] <Irfan> yap, it's out in the sun
[21:52] <Irfan> I'am having problems with a compiler actually
[21:53] <Irfan> it says that there are known issues with gcc4,3
[21:53] <Irfan> and that I should use older verision
[21:53] <Irfan> but, that's the part I don't know how to do
[22:06] <DanaG> try this: CC=gcc-4.2 /media/VBOXwhateverthepathistotheinstaller
[22:06] <DanaG> or anyway, export CC=gcc-4.2 before running the install thingy.
[22:13] <Bauld> haha, the black screen when typing was to do with onboard vga thingy - just robbed a shite old nvidia card from another  pc and it works fine now, no no propriety drivers though
[22:17] <pwnguin> anyone know how to make dkms+nvidia happy?
[22:19] <gx009_> https://launchpad.net/dkms   <---- maybe you should give them a shout
[22:20] <RAOF> pwnguin: In what way are they unhappy now?
[22:21] <RAOF> pwnguin: I've found simply reinstalling the nvidia-1xx-kernel-source packge unborks it, on the one occasion it got confused.
[22:21] <pwnguin> its been broked for a while, i just decided now is the time to bother with it
[22:25] <pwnguin> man, im watching this series of training videos at work for Ubuntu
[22:25] <pwnguin> terrible
[22:25] <pwnguin> based on like 7.04
[22:26] <pwnguin> topics include: Easy Ubuntu & Automatix [7:27]
[22:27] <RAOF> Whoops!
[22:28] <pwnguin> the closed captioning uses the wrong slashes
[22:28] <pwnguin> even when the author made a deliberate point about it
[22:28] <pwnguin> \home\
[22:28] <RAOF> Ba baw!
[22:29] <pwnguin> yay. raof fixed it
[22:31] <pwnguin> next question: what's the story with bootup?
[22:31] <literal> explain
[22:31] <RAOF> Expound.
[22:31] <pwnguin> kernel-helper seems to be spawning some terrible disk io
[22:32] <pwnguin> find, cpio, frontend, lsb_release, apt-cache
[22:35] <ganymede> i'm kind of unaware of how packages are upgraded within an ubuntu version...is it like only security and bugfix updates are allowed within a single version, so when 8.10 is created, that's the only opportunity for major-number updates?
[22:35] <ganymede> or is ubuntu always bleeding edge, as long as it's stable?
[22:44] <bsnider> how do you define bleeding edge?
[22:45] <ganymede> latest tarball available, provided it turns out to be stable
[22:45] <bsnider> no, that doesn't ever happen
[22:46] <ganymede> i guess what i'm really asking is whether packages ever hold back the newest version of something simply because it's too big of a step, and decide to put it off until ubuntu+1
[22:46] <bsnider> yes, all the time
[22:46] <RAOF> Um, no.  Almost always not.
[22:46] <ganymede> packagers*
[22:46] <bsnider> even small stuff like pidgin is put off until the next release
[22:46] <RAOF> Except after Feature Freeze (which we're in now).
[22:47] <RAOF> Before feature freeze, the reason why we don't have the latest upstream version is generally because no one's had time to package it.
[22:47] <ganymede> bsnider: and the reason for this is because of commercial 24/7 support? you don't want to have to support a version that ubuntu wasn't shipped with?
[22:47] <ganymede> oh, okay
[22:47] <bsnider> i guess that's it
[22:47] <pwnguin> its not just "commercial support"
[22:47] <ganymede> but is that only reason? if someone actually took the time to package the newest pidgin and make sure it's stable, would it go into 8.04?
[22:47] <bsnider> after using hardy for 5 months, almost nothing in it is bleeding edge anymore
[22:48] <pwnguin> ganymede: there's a process for exceptions
[22:48] <bsnider> ganymede, no it would not
[22:48] <bsnider> it might go into a ppa for you to go out and get
[22:48] <bsnider> i got pidgin 2.5 from getdeb
[22:48] <bsnider> for hardy
[22:49] <ganymede> and the reason for it not to go into official repos, even though it's proven stable, is?
[22:49] <ganymede> (assuming it was proven stable)
[22:49] <pwnguin> this is like assuming no friction or wind restance
[22:49] <pwnguin> works good on paper, but we live in the real world
[22:50] <pwnguin> for example
[22:50] <bsnider> how would anyone know if it was stable? besides programming resources are put into the next ubuntu release, not into adding features to the current one
[22:50] <bsnider> you can always go out and get new stuff from ppa's and getdeb and places like that. or build them yourself
[22:50] <pwnguin> the latest release of xournal was put out a while bak
[22:51] <pwnguin> and the dude was angry because we didnt ship it (his release was after feature freeze and nobody wanted to bother with it)
[22:51] <pwnguin> upstream isn't good at release engineering, often times
[22:52] <pwnguin> that xournal version had two releases within a day, because the first one was discovered to not actually work
[22:52] <pwnguin> "known stable" my ass ;)
[22:52] <bsnider> shuttleworth says he wants to address this issue by encouraging ppa repositories with new stuff
[22:53] <pwnguin> makes sense
[22:53] <pwnguin> except ppas have no signature
[22:53] <bsnider> yeah, that's annoying
[22:53] <bsnider> something will have to be done about that
[22:53] <pwnguin> lots of upstreams already do host their own repos
[22:53] <bsnider> maybe apt shouldn't check ppa repositories
[22:54] <ganymede> okay, thanks for the clarifications
[22:55] <pwnguin> it would be nice if we could get upstreams to participate more directly
[22:59] <DanaG> wtf... why is VirtualBox suid root?
[22:59] <anubis> evolution of all things is broken
[22:59] <DanaG> VirtualBox
[22:59] <DanaG> (process:3448): Gtk-WARNING **: This process is currently running setuid or setgid.
[23:01] <pwnguin> http://people.cis.ksu.edu/~jld5445/intrepid-20080911-9.png
[23:02] <pwnguin> theres a boot chart for ya RAOF, literal
[23:02] <RAOF> DanaG: Possibly because it wants to mess with low-level kernel stuff?
[23:02] <DanaG> Aah.
[23:02] <DanaG> But shouldn't that be separate from the GUI?
[23:02] <DanaG> The GUI app itself is setuid.
[23:02] <RAOF> It could be.
[23:03] <pwnguin> what's it run as?
[23:03] <DanaG> -rws--s--x 1 root root 16976 2008-09-04 03:31 /usr/lib/virtualbox/VirtualBox
[23:03] <pwnguin> i think suid is needed to run as anyone, including nobody
[23:04] <DanaG> er,
[23:04] <DanaG> -rws--x--x 1 root root 16976 2008-09-04 03:31 /usr/lib/virtualbox/VirtualBox
[23:04] <RAOF> DanaG: kvm gets around this by having the /dev/kvm device owned by the kvm group; virtualbox could presumably do something similar, but may not at the moment.
[23:04] <DanaG> So, I can't use the nice qgtkstyle.
[23:06] <RAOF> You could; just add it to root's themes, too.
[23:07] <DanaG> That's not the issue.
[23:07] <DanaG> or do you mean I have to run it as root for real?
[23:07] <DanaG> Isn't that essentially the same as setuid?
[23:07] <DanaG> ... as in privileges, not as in how it works.
[23:09] <DanaG> Great, so now VirtualBox is fugly.
[23:09] <DanaG> If I run it as root, I can't use my VM.
[23:10] <DanaG> If I symlink root's .VirtualBox dir to mine, I get   p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }     Callee RC:   NS_ERROR_FAILURE (0x80004005)
[23:10] <pwnguin> interesting
[23:10] <pwnguin> your irc client uses css
[23:11] <RAOF> DanaG: What is the issue?  Why doesn't the qgtkstyle work for root apps?
[23:11] <DanaG> Nope, the qt4 error dialog uses css, actually.
[23:11] <DanaG> that's a copy and paste.
[23:11] <DanaG> Root doesn't have my .VirtualBox dir; that's the issue.
[23:12] <DanaG> If I symlink it to mine, I get that error.
[23:13] <RAOF> Why does root need your .Virtualbox dir?
[23:13] <DanaG> ... to use my VMs, of course.
[23:13] <RAOF> Oh, so this has changed recently?
[23:13] <DanaG> SO I don't have to redefine everything.
[23:13] <DanaG> gksu virtualbox -- try it.
[23:13]  * RAOF doesn't have virtualbox, so can't.
[23:13] <DanaG> Or without gksu, with using qgtkstyle.... it refuses to start due to being setuid.
[23:14] <DanaG> http://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/2066
[23:14] <RAOF> Ah.  That now makes sense.
[23:15] <DanaG> ... or if I update qgtkstyle to one that drops back to something else on setuid, it starts with no listed VMs.
[23:16] <DanaG> Great, now I'm stuck with it uglier than before... at least when it was qt3, I had a decent theme.
[23:16] <DanaG> The fallback qt4 theme is ugly.
[23:19] <DanaG> Grr.
[23:44] <dupondje> There is a problem with teh configuration server. gconf-sanity-check-2 exited with status 256
[23:44] <dupondje> any id's ?